Eating Meat is the New Oil | Aaron Bastani meets George Monbiot | Downstream
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- In the 1990s, decarbonisation was seen as the goal for many environmentalists. Since then the key focus of the green movement has been to stop extracting fossil fuels and to move to renewable energy. In a new book, one of the worlds foremost environmental campaigners argues that there is a far bigger existential threat to the vertebrate life on earth: Animal Agriculture.
Aaron Bastani speaks to George Monbiot.
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This was my personal tipping point. Veganism here I come. Thank you George and Novara. The clearest argument against animal farming I've ever herd (....) and the final push I needed.
Please watch some Ex vegans videos. Stay healthy
@@Darija-d3y What are you trying to imply, that it's not possible to be healthy on a vegan diet?
Kudos for making the decision to live more ethically and environmentally responsibly.
@@Darija-d3y Most of the ex-vegans in these videos talk absolute garbage. Worth a watch but not serious people. Why are you trying to imply that a vegan diet is inherently unhealthy? There is no nutrient you cannot get from plants. Yes if you just eat oreos and drink whiskey that would be vegan, stupid and unhealthy.
@@Darija-d3y a few anecdotes from a few people who fail to plan a diet adequately doesn't mean that The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics are wrong in their stance that vegan diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, infancy and childhood.
This is one of the best interviews I've ever seen. It's the combination of humanity, intelligence and insight that makes it so special. I recently stopped eating meat and dairy and have stopped flying. It seems like the odds are stacked but on an individual level we can all do something.
Isn't the point though that the best thing one can do is to support the politics so that systemic change happens not just individual?
@@emblaz3 There isn't time. The politicians are doing nothing or else what they are doing isn't enough - George explains why COP26 was such a waste of time. We can control our own behaviour and if everyone decided to stop consuming meat and dairy and stopped flying imagine the difference it would make.
@@RC-hc8lp I agree that would have a massive impact but in my opinion real change will only happen with broader systemic change. Corporations and countries are by far the largest polluters/ecological destructors and politics is the vehicle by how these institutions act which I think, while improving one's own lifestyle is important, we must do something to influence politics.
(probably a reflection of my cynical mentality but) I find it quite easy to get cynical about my own lifestyle because as a westerner (and therefore an economic unit in western consumer capitalism) no matter how hard I try to change my individual lifestyle in order to make it carbon-neutral and sustainable the global powers that be are still destroying the ecology of the planet e.g. nothing I do individually will stop oil being pumped out of the ground; if I stop flying, ghost flights are still talking place.
My point is not to disagree with you, because I think what you've done personally is amazing, but to focus on the ways that real global change can happen as quickly as possible.
@@emblaz3 It'll be both, and the political systemic change will be easier to justify and sell if there are a critical number of people practicing what they preach to the greatest extent they can. It could happen the other way round of course, but how likely is a political, systemic change going to be if individuals ar enot already taking some of the initiative themselves?
@@emblaz3 It's true, of course, that the balance of power lying with multinationals and western governments to implement change will always outweigh that of the individual, I agree with you. It's perhaps that I used to think that there was no point trying to do anything as an individual and now I can see that maybe Margaret Mead and her (cliched?) statement: "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed individuals can change the world. In fact, it's the only thing that ever has" might be true. Political systems won't change until we do. If we keep voting for parties that ignore the environment and instead invest in fossil fuel extraction then nothing will change. We need to be activists too.
I think this is the best interview I have ever seen. Reaching from consumer environmental choices, to the environmental science of all aspects of society, economics, agriculture and technology, to political alternatives to humanitarian considerations. If everyone in the world saw this video I believe it could change the Earth’s future. Well done Novara, Bastani and Monbiot as always.
One of the best things Novara has done in ages. Aaron needs to do more long form interviews.
Aaron asks fantastic questions and is a world-class interviewer
I started going vegan this year strangely not because of videos like this, I've found these after starting the switch so found this very interesting from start to finish, thankyou novara
Absolutely fantastic interview, George Monbiot is such a well-spoken and knowledgeable person.
Genuinely one of the best interviews I’ve ever seen. The message about the social tipping point is exactly what I needed to hear. Fantastic stuff from Novara.
Here I am again listening to a very great conversation.This was 9 month ago. Why do I feel like we are going backwards . Have we already forgotten this" brilliant", "excellent, " and interesting interview?
I'm the daughter of generations of farming and a business partner in the farm, and unfortunately, our business is the opposite of what's needed - we sell silage to feed our neighbours' dairy cows. We use the lowest nitrogen fertiliser available, but it's still not what's required to look after our soil. I would love to transition to rewilding, but how to fund that and do it properly is overwhelming. Calling for state assistance and cooperation!
Looking forward to getting immersed in George's new book. Thank you George for your diligence, I'm with you in spirit, and wish to be with you in action.
‘Feral’ is an awesome read.
This is why need a just transition. If even conscientious farmers can't get out, it's clear that we need a systemic approach to the wind down of animal ag, with assistance for those leaving the sector.
In the meantime don't suppose you could grow other things than grass fro silage?
Great that you would like to change, it depends so much on you situation, how you might proceed to change.
There is very little real help, and commercial knowledge is sparse at best!
You have a real challenge ahead and government has to address this which to date has failed totally despite the rhetoric and promises.
have you tried growing hemp (seriously)
@@serjthereturn Baffling why no one is growing industrial hemp
Just wanted to say THANK YOU 🙏 to Mr. Monboit for his recent appearance on politics live & ALL THE AWESOME VIDEOS FROM DOUBLE DOWN NEWS!!! 👏🔥🥊
This was THE best interview/talk ive seen all year!
Veganism truly is the revolutionary movement that tackles supremacy, sustainability, health and climate in one. Animals are treated horribly, objectified and exploited based on arbitrary supremacy. And in doing so humans are causing their own destruction. I’ve been a vegan (animal rights advocate) for nearly 7 years now and my view of the world has never been the same. I now see every individual as worthwhile, a pro-social obligation to progress society morally and materially, and am 100 times more knowledgable on health and climate science.
It’s the world biggest shame that animal agriculture is so protected from critical questioning, and is almost never raised as a serious ethical or climate issue - when it is THE TOP ethical and climate issue.
Aaron, you steered this conversation beautifully. George is across all of it. You should be rightly proud of this interview. I’d love to learn of the research process behind an interview like this. I’m reading Less is More by Jason Hickel. That would be a good interview.
Wow!! such a powerful discussion . As a family we went vegan 4 years ago and as George said, amazing how quickly you lose the taste for meat and dairy. I’ll be sharing with friends as so well explained . We need more of this thanks .
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Listen to this man… he has always been right.
We need more George Monbiots in the world
That conversation is so inspiring! I have listened twice already, and will listen again for the radical concepts to sink in. I believe this is the right path. I want to get it right before I share these ideas with others. Thank you both for such humanism and intellect shared on the internet. 🙏
Aaron, you say that there are so many compelling reasons to go vegan, then I guess the question is, what's stopping you from going vegan?
Habit. And his open heart & mind is on the shared path. Change is stressful. Even great, necessary changes are. No blame, no shame. Listening works wonders...No!?
Bacon....or cheese.
Common sense .?
He's a smart guy, his common sense is saying he should go vegan, yet he still hasn't. I'd love to hear his excuses.@@andrewtrip8617
WOW!!! Best information/ conversation/ interview I have heard since Cristopher Hitchens died.. George you are a breath of fresh air.
Honestly could listen to a 10 hour podcast!
Thank you. This message is so important.
Thank you for your very interesting insights on the impacts of eating meat on the environment. Very enlightening.
Haven’t watched the video yet but I’m loving the positive reactions in the comments. Hardly any anti vegan trolls
Respect existence or expect resistance.
Respect to any vegans out there, we are making progress.
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Also the WATER argument. When all those wells run dry, Animal Ag's stranglehold on WATER resources better become suspect.
Thank you for doing this crucial interview, all vegans should be leftist and all leftist should be vegan.
“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.'' - Dr. Martin Luther King
By consuming enough calories from starches i.e. potatoes, beans, peas, lentils and minimally processed wholegrain products, one can easily get enough protein and fat and in a healthier way than eating highly processed vegan foods or animal products.
It is important that minimally processed plant foods i.e. the foods that humans are well adapted to consuming are not out competed by "technological" food fixes which are ok for occasional use and for those struggling in their transition to a vegan diet.
Love George.
Love Aaron.
Love this book.
Loved this interview.
Please take note folks. This is the future of society at stake.
george monbiot national treasure
George Monbiot is the environmental science journalist guru I listen to the most. He knows much more than I do about his field. Having lived in southern Europe for almost 2 decades where many local people had been producing their own local produce, knew every edible wild plant as well as any botanist, and living in sustainable ways for thousands of years it broke my heart when on my last visit I found the transformation of their economy following the adoption of the Euro had resulted in the best most valuable and wonderful aspects of their rich agricultural culture was being concreted over and replaced "with" mega-sized supermarkets.
Amazing interview.
There needs to be a proper conversation about agriculture and how farming in a regenerative way needs animals as part of the system .
Wait for him to mention Ian Tolhurst, or "Tolly"
It doesn't though.
That's a large part of the book. And it's based on a lot of scientific research now.
You cannot imagine that all the science on modelling sustainable food systems, which says we must dramatically reduce animal ag, has somehow just forgotten that soils need to be fertile to grow crops... 🙄
We wouldn't been such land if it wasn't for animals. Proper crop rotation can be used if we have all this extra land from NOT raising animals.
Allan Savory is a man worth listening to if to pick up on this matter of needing animals to farm in regenerative way. Find him on TED talk, " How to green the worlrd's deserts and reverse climate change' 9years ago; so maybe things have change for him and the knowledge he shared then.
I agree with the overall thrust of the argument, and it's easy to picture "farming" as being large machinery and wealthy, careless agro-barons, but there is no mention of the millions of people in majority nations whose livelihood depends entirely on extensive farming. This video is a fairly typical minority nations view of climate change with no thought for nations who are less privileged. How will the displaced global agricultural communities earn the money to pay for this artificially grown food?
they're talking about western farming practices, particularly in the UK
Less privileged nations are being exploited by global industrial agriculture. That Brazillian soya animal feed isn't for feeding Brazillian cattle. It's for export as a cash crop. Most of the world's ecological problems are due to the industrial-financial complex. There are two ways to sort this. 1. The global financiers and industrialists must accept self-imposed recession. 2. Conumers must make different choices in order to consume less and cause less harm. Rather obviously, neither is likely to happen.
@@serjthereturn most U.K. farms are family owned and run .some with a degree of industrialisation .George deliberately paints a polarised picture to get you to swallow his medicine .Intensive populations require intensive agriculture .
Brilliant interview. 👏🏾
Eating meat is definitely the new oil. However what has the world done recently about oil ??... subsidies are up. New pipelines are being built . New wells are being drilled.... it's business as usual and I fear that eating animal products will be treated exactly the same. Fortunately though it is a strictly personal choice and one that can be made regardless of government policies and one that I personally made 10 years ago
It's utterly disgusting that mainstream media is so pathetic at reporting on these issues. Many of whom are condescending and vilifying of experts that are providing the evidence of the devastating consequences of current farming methods. Nor are they reporting on the many solutions to these problems that don't need to destroy livelihoods
George Monbiot, you are doing maximum important work. Keep up spreading the word!!!!!!!!
Thank you
Please do another on soil. Fascinating, if somewhat terrifying.
I love George so much, amazing man with so much knowledge. I could listen to him for hours and feel like it still isn’t long enough. Excellent interview
Excellent, full stop.
Civilization is a heat engine. This brute datum won’t go away.
Thank goodness you are bringing this up. Have you read Toxic Legacy?
I’m a vegetarian because I don’t like animal suffering. But I’m still on the fence about whether eating meat is immoral. At the same time, I disagree with the *amount* of meat we consume.
In Australia it’s normal to have meat up to 3 times per day e.g. bacon and eggs for breakfast, deli meat sandwich for lunch and a meat dish for dinner. I didn’t conceive of the possibility that meat didn’t need to be a food staple until I went to live in Germany where my host family would have meat maybe 3-4 times per week- because it’s more expensive there.
Most meat-eaters will defend their dietary choice while lamenting the existence of factory farms and climate change.
But what if all meat-eaters cut down their consumption to 3-4 times per week? Imagine the impact that would have on factory farming.
Or take a quality over quantity approach? Go out of your way and/or pay more for grass-fed beef, buy directly from the farmer etc.?
I’ve accepted that I cannot give up butter or chocolate. Otherwise I’d be vegan. So I understand how jarring it can be for a meat-eater to hear ‘Just be vegan.’
But surely just consuming less and paying more for meat that’s a bit less cruelly-sourced isn’t asking too much?
If you're vegetarian for the animals have you ever considered the amount of harm required to produce milk and eggs?
It's not pretty. Milk for example practically requires the slaughter of calves since, like any mammal, cows will only produce milk when they've been impregnated. This is done around every 12 months in the industry, which means a new calf every 12 months. It's not financially viable to keep these calves fed and houses (especially the males) so they are either killed as soon as possible, or shipped off for veal.
Eggs are also reliant on animal harm. When hens are produced in hatcheries, the males are considered useless so are killed as soon as they have hatched and had their sex determined. This is for free range and battery hens.
If you are interested in halting your support of these practices then you should not support eggs or dairy.
@@DandelionGum1 Good thing I don’t eat eggs and milk. (I eat chocolate and butter though).
Anyway what’s your point? That I’m not doing enough? Even though I’m consuming far less animal products than the average person?
@@cheshirecat1212 My point is not that you're not doing enough. Rather that if you don't eat meat because you are against animal harm, then it doesn't make sense for you to be financially supporting animal harm through funding chocolate and butter production.
For example, if you are against bull fighting, would it really make sense for you to simply cut back on the amount of tickets you buy? Or would it make more sense never to buy tickets?
It's a hard pill to swallow, but if you are buying butter and milk chocolate then you are consequentially and unavoidably funding animal harm and slaughter. Eggs and dairy cannot realistically be produced without slaughter. If you are truly against animal cruelty like you say, then stop paying for it.
You are obviously oblivious to the fact that dairy farming is the sickest and most savage of the lot
Excellent interview. Would you mind if we post this on Climate Healers' RUclips channel?
OMG, I want elephants here! I love elephants! I want a herd of elephants living on the marsh nearby, much better than cattle.
Are elephant farts less harmful than cows belches ? Or do you just prefer elephant burgers 🍔.
Great point about going on Joe Rogan at the end, although I don’t think he’d listen to someone who’s against eating a T-bone steak 3 times a day
I’ve been Vegan for more than 20 years. It was the best decision I’ve ever made. It’s not that hard and gets easier it gets. It’s actually cheaper than eating meat. Beans, grains, and seeds and fruit are not that expensive and extremely healthy.
Does Aaron ever get on a plane?
Thanks
Huge difference between nomadic shepards in the deserts around biblicla lands and cattle farms in norther europe.
Please, please dear Aaron; Do a fabulous interview with Craig Murray, John Pilger, Stella Assange, Nils Melzer! (On his book; "The Trial of Julian Assange; A Case of Persecution") Richard Medhurst, Kevin Gozstola (on his book on Julian being jailed for doing journalism) Joe Lauria, John Shipton, Gabriel Shipton, (include his film please!) on " Why the humane world does not want any imprisonment or torture of journalists, editors, publishers, or whistleblowers! Please, Aaron, your work in this long form, stunning interview needs to include the systematic persecution of Julian Assange. Help us-all focus on his astonishing will to let the truth be shown! Keep up your broad focus on biggest world-changing issues! Thank you so, so much! Hooray for Novara Media! 10,000 good caring, questioning, deeply listening people can change our perceptions! And actions...! Love to all of you!
I watched a documentary here in France yesterday on France TV 5 made by the journalist ( great ) Hugo Clément about the extinction of different species like birds for example. 600 million of birds have disappeared since the eighties in France ! And the extinction of the butterflies in Mexique where the forests are razed in order to produce avocados and all that ending up in bloodshed of course.
I like George Monbiot but I'm afraid It's too late to save the planet. We are few to be aware of the carnage and personally I'm helpless. I can't say to be honest that I'm fond of animals because they are cruel at each others and merciless. I've seen recently a tiger eating a baby bear who has fought for his life courageously until its last gasp. Therefore I can't say that I like tigers. But in the jungle or savannah it's different and I don't condone all those cattle ending up in the slaughterhouses only to be a frozen meal, especially calves.
Thank you Aaron. You're the best in journalism.
Veganism as a moral framework doesn't rely on empathy at all. You can aesthetically feel whatever you want about wild animals or companion animals - love them or hate them, it doesn't bear at all on the case against exploiting them.
It may be too late to return to the past, but it's never too late to work towards a better future!
This is a very good interview!
I recently also watched discussions about cattle farming and the climate between George Monbiot and Alan Savory, the latter advocating livestock grazing to enhance the soil etc. The thing is, eating meat and keeping cattle is not the same thing. What GM points at is the meat and dairy industry, which is a very different thing than the traditional farmer (the one that have all but disappeared). As soon as farmers raise more animals than the land can sustain (that is, adding external source of protein), we should not apply the term ‘farming’ anymore. These are factories and should be treated as such.
The alternative of precision fermenting can have a huge impact but I am worried about food quality. Recent studies have showed that Ultra Processed Food is more risky to our health. Does Precision Fermented Food fall under this category? Do we fully understand how this works?
It’s for profit and power, why the status quo is maintained.
I want to know how many of the Novara media team are vegan?
I imagine about 30%. But eating meat is one of the most right wing things you can do.
Dogs eat their own body weight in meat every month. If your dog weighs around 7kg congratulations, you've doubled your meat consumption.
Theoceans are at a tipping point too. 😊
Great discussion - however, I put some caution to "novel meats". Tofu is great! but many of the fake meats are highly problematic. Maybe there is something weird about my guts, but most fake meats (apart from Tofy) me straight to the loo!
So, those that are wealthy enough to privately enjoy the British landscape are also the ones destroying it. Yet another example that makes the argument for more land to be made public, like parks and other public open spaces, then it would be taken care of. The pheasant laws are ludicrous - nature has things in perfect balance, and we come along and alter that balance to our own detriment, with a dash of cruelty for 'funsies'.
It's absolutely barking, Can't believe the madness.
He should give up food altogether, croppingn is a massive destructive action
Come on, Geroge. The cows-farting-will-lead-to-armageddon hypothesis is absurd. It was always a preoccupation of the humus class. Factually incorrect.
Massive financial speculation in the future commodities market has been happening for many years pushing millions into food poverty. It was alluded to as far back as the 90s movie Trading Places - so the crisis that's keeping people awake at night has been known about by capital markets, scientists and politicians for decades.
Nice to see John Locke getting some stick.
“Are you looking for me?
I am in the next seat.
My shoulder is against yours.
you will not find me in the stupas,
not in Indian shrine rooms,
nor in synagogues,
nor in cathedrals:
not in masses,
nor kirtans,
not in legs winding around your own neck,
nor in eating nothing but vegetables.
When you really look for me,
you will see me instantly -
you will find me in the tiniest house of time.
Kabir says: Student, tell me, what is God?
He is the breath inside the breath.”
― Kabir
I think you need to have Aaron as a returning guest.
🖕 I’m still eating meat, and always will.
33.50 swing round and catch that wind people
What river??
It would be very interesting if NM we're to interview Richard Perkins alongside Mr Monbiot.
@Robert Wilkes
Robert...
Please tell us more about where food comes from.
I'd love to know.
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@@PercivalBlakeney With pleasure. 😊 (And it's not Tesco 🌝). My delicious French cheese comes either from a goat or cow.(not forgetting the butter & milk) I generally buy from one of many weekly markets within 30 kms of here. My beef comes from the Limousin or Blonde d'Aquitaine & occasionally Dexter breeds. A good pork from the black pig, reared in woodland not far away. Wild boar & venison during the winter hunting season. Trout from the Pyrenees, only 120 kms away. The Oysters, fresh from the Atlantic coast , I can buy most Saturdays in more than one place. Simply add lemon before eating. I get my eggs from my friend who lives 15 mins away. The chicken & duck are all sourced locally (including the patés and foie gras, a regional speciality, first introduced here by the Romans). The French baguette, croissant, chocolatine etc are baked daily & the options of grains, types of bread are mind boggling.
The seasonal strawberries have been delicious from another farmer, just 5 mins away. It should be a good year for the local honeydew and watermelons. Now let me tell you about the locally sourced seasonal vegetables. Still interested? 😊
I get my avocados either from Spain or here in France. The seasonal asparagus, boiled then fried gently in butter & served with a poached egg was delicious. I can buy many different types of locally grown veges, potatoes, chick peas etc from many different outlets. My neighbours offer me different veges throughout the year as well. Now, the French wine......That would take hours to explain all the different grape varieties, regions. I even have the freedom of choice to drink Vegan wine. The Freedom of choice to eat Ratatouille (only veges, no animal products), The Freedom of Choice to eat or not Red Meat, fish , chicken, eggs, butter, milk, honey.
Where does your food come from? I hope it's not Tesco, McDo or Gregg's!!
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Robert... look again.
I asked where does "food" come from.
If I had the presence of mind, not to mention the financial resources, to buy indulge in fancy French cheeses _et hoc genus omne_ , I doubt I'd be working for a living.
I'd partying hard with Viktor Orban and such luminaries.
When the vast bulk of global agricultural output gets fed to livestock.,. whilst every three seconds a human child dies of starvation....
When livestock husbandry produces massive amounts of effluent that simply gets dumped into rivers killing off massive amounts of water borne wildlife.
My food distances itself from such practices, as far as is humanly possible.
Like this orchestral suite by Aaron Copeland, I've learned to be content with "simple gifts".
As you live in France, you probably don't have to contend with the cost of living crisis that us Rosbifs have to (oh the joy of "Brexcrement").
In "The Metro" they ran a piece about how to make meals for 30p per person (as Lee Anderson MP extolled us to do).
All of them were vegetarian... *three quarters of them were Vegan*.
"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche",
Don'tchathink?
"L'avenir est Végétalien...
parce qué sans Veganism...
iln'ya pas d'avenir."
@@PercivalBlakeney French cheese is part of the diet here. We agree that intensive animal and monoculture chem Ag is not the way forward. Fortunately, I left UK 5 years ago will no longer return to little England. Did the Queen have a Vegan version of her jubilee cake? I have detailed where I get my food from but NO Vegan has informed me of their food sources on this little comment section. Vegan food from locally sourced non chemical Agriculture is to be applauded. Do you know the people that supply your food? Veganism will never stop starving children from dying. So, let's tone down the one size fits all and allow non vegans to express their opinions. Back up your comments with facts and you might get more people to see your way of living. Unfortunately, I won't subscribe to your new religion. Is your Brioche made with eggs like mine?
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"Veganism will not stop children starving."?
Maybe not, but I'm no longer paying to have food that COULD be fed to them, fed to livestock instead.
It doesn't guarantee that anything will change, but doing nothing guarantees that NOTHING will change.
In other words, could you enlighten us as to what actually could stop them starving?
"But it feels/tastes good and it's my personal choice."
... sounds a little too much like Paul Gadd when he arrived in Cambodia.
Y'know?
And you have these chemicals making new concoctions among themselves waste land then adding saltwater plus on the Japan coast the nuclear waste added to this agriculture mix is the nuclear power waste water filtered into the ocean
Absoluty everyone everywhere should pay extra taxes on meat if they want eat it more than twice a week...
So is alcohol and caffeine?
These people just love talking about extinction, that’s why they’re called “extinctionists “, they literally want to view the whole of humanity laid bare on a charcoal wasteland whilst being the only one’s able to view it.
I do wonder where vegans and vegetarians think their food comes from. The complete naivety of a position that equates vegetables good vs animals bad is a measure of how disconnected people are from the actual process of growing and distributing food. Veganism has exploded in popularity, you can get 'plant based' products everywhere - small, highly processed and packaged products, to go with industrially farmed vegetables that you can buy cheaply at the supermarket. Well, that's all fine then - no more climate change!
Clearly, this argument holds no logic - Monbiot maybe intelligent but his narrative has changed with his level of anxiety, its badly researched and logically incoherent, I am sorry for him - he has turned his wit into overblown attacks on those he once counted as friends.
For Bastani, this ecomodernist wet dream stuff, a bolstering of his fully automated luxury communist future. I have no quarrel with Marx, and a close reading of his works, his appraisal of the peasant communes of Russia, and his ambivalence to automation, refutes Bastani's star trek vision (don't mind star trek either). They both are holding on to the coat tails of a future that is disappearing with the energy that made it a shimmering mirage we all talk for real (as a kid). The laws of thermodynamics trump the sophistry of a couple oxbridge chums, and there's nothing a or anyone else can do about that. I am sorry.
So glad I’m vegan - wake up my fellow humans I love you all it’s a relief I tells ya
So vertical farming isn't the solution to food insecurity or the "repatriation" of supply chains.
What a fucking fantastic conversation.
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Technology alone won't succeed.Must have democracy and education first.
You can’t grow crops on a large scale organically without fertiliser in the form of manure to return nitrogen and phosphorus to the soil. So his ‘solution’ is to use petrochemical fertilisers (ammonium nitrates) to do that.
What a load of ideological horseshit (excuse the pun)
You should look up agroecological farming methods. There are methods to maintain soil health without having to constantly add more shit or artificial fertilisers to it. Search for 'The regenerative farm working to improve soil without fertilisers.
Actually you can use decaying plant matter instead of animal shit.
@@justroberto5052 and how do you get the decaying plant matter to the site that you’ve removed the nitrogen from when you export the food that contains the nitrogen? Doesn’t work at scale.
Try Vegan, there is lots of choice, even cheese !
I tried it,when I was having health problems, it worked!
Even com puters can't keep up with pharmaceuticals,especially under capitalism.
He does, 'when I was in Vancouver' .
Aviation is 3% of CO2 emissions, cement is 9%. Used a…building recently? We should cap air miles per person and ban private jets but global logistics and transport isn’t going anywhere.
@@aaronbastani1399 Giving yourself a free pass there. Why did you have to fly to Vancouver?
@@darkarts59 a Ted talk!
This is a scattergun of nonsense. The pollution issue, while very important, us clearly a regulation problem. In Scotland multiple charges have been brought for even accidental pollution, which has improved systems no end (most silage now baled for instance) there are strict regulations about the time of year liquid manures are spread. Regenerative agriculture, mixed farms is best for soil and environment. They are in abundance up here. What about the tented world of spain trying to produce low nutrient veg. Finally, having trained in, and worked in agriculture. Mostly crops, I can tell you that I have never seen so much fertiliser (made with fossil fuels) and chemicals as used in bare ground vegetable crops. Better agriculture, sure, but this is vegan propeganda.
Excellent response. I have asked where they source their food from, from more than one Vegan commentator on here. No response as yet.
The future is Vegan...
because without Veganism...
there is no future.
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@@stephenholmes1036 what does that mean? That everyone should be able to do whatever they want because it's their choice? Is everything that anyone chooses to do fine just because they should be free to choose it? What about when their choice involves a victim? Shouldn't the victim's rights to not be harmed come before someone's right to do whatever they choose?
I choose to eat beef, pork, chicken, lamb, eggs, cheese, milk, honey.
@@robertwilkes2105
"Personal choice".
The self same argument Paul Gadd made in a press conference, when he arrived in Cambodia.
The self same frame of mind espoused by Steven Barker when he took charge of Peter Connolly.
"It's mah' fakkin' kid nah'. I'll do wot I fakkin' wont wiv' it."
Glad we had this conversation.
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@@PercivalBlakeney ???
@@robertwilkes2105
Hardly just a "personal choice".
You are paying for sentient animals to be bred, raised in grim conditions and then slaughtered. Do they get a choice?
You are paying for the destruction of the planet we have to share. Do the rest of us get a say in your "Personal choice".
Choosing the colour of your socks is a personal choice. Killing sentient beings and poisoning our planet isn't.
NM PLEASE READ....Best conversation ever! So much covered... Aaron has got it right ... George NEEDS to talk with joe Rogan, and other further reaching channels ...Would George do it? Can Novara use their YT clout to facilitate that conversation? I love all that NM are doing... these messages needs the biggest audience possible, IMMEDIATELY! had to share this idea but you guys are probably already on to it.... this stuff needs to be talked about and pushed mainstream 🔥🔥🔥💕💕💕
a century or two? more like 10 to 20 years bro
How about the selling offin canada of wood pellets tohezt the EUGoodbye boreal forests!
Love, love, love this human.
I lost my interest, as soon as he mentioned ”the guardian”
George. What a t**t.
158199K likes i thin thats a record hahaha
Arron! Neo-liberalism is all around?
Phillip David d' Silva x 🥸
More people need to watch this. George is a luminary. May well also be my tipping point to veganism.
I have NOT eaten Meat for 50 years. I am 82 years old and in perfect health for my age. I still backpack the Olympic Mountains and kayak and biking.
What foods do you rely on the most
It’s so wonderful to see George talking, with such great knowledge, about the horrifying effect we have on nature, and global devastation. Go vegan.
No thank you.
@@robertwilkes2105 you are destroying the environment
Thank you so much Novara Media for putting this out! Have shared it with a lot of friends who eat animal products and has started a lot of really interesting conversations! Feel like this could be the rallying cry we need to actually support and ask for the change our species needs. Big up to George!
George Monbiot's capacity for articulating these complex interactions in ways that connect with ordinary folk is what make his lifelong contribution to progressive human evolution legendary. Well done Novara Media for facilitating that powerful interview, very informative.
Yeah, Monbiot is brilliant. I think the ability to disseminate scientific studies and then dish out the main takeaways in language that anyone can understand is such a strong suit of his.
Without wanting to blow my own trumpet, I can read and understand scientific literature, but there are many for whom, for whatever reason, it is not their forte.
To be totally honest though, it's absolutely frightening when you really think about everything he's been saying in this broadcast, when you put into its true context as a global issue. It's terrifying, it's all one, big existential threat. As always, however, it'll be those who aren't billionaires/millionaires, who don't sit at the top table, who don't have the early warning communications to get out of the way, who will get clobbered first. The working classes, the poor and middle classes will get hammered, as always.
Get a room ffs
@@jsquire5pa haha true though, he is brilliant.
@Jay Dee And you will of course have links to reputable science that refutes everything he's saying? Otherwise you wouldn't have chirped up eh. We all know you don't though, you're the bloke everyone knows down the pub who thinks he's well informed because he reads the papers and listens to GB News 😂😂👏🏻👏🏻
@Jay Dee Just as a sidenote, I've investigated a number of dairy farms who pollute river systems with immunity, just as Monbiot touched upon and I'm able to read the (more than 14,000) scientific papers that informed the last IPCC report, and understand what they mean.
Whereas you? Well, say no more. Otherwise you'd be providing us with plentiful reading material that proves the points Monbiot is making are, as you claim in such grown up language "bullpoop". Where are they then?
A short rant from me on the big debate of plant based vs. omnivore.
As someone not trained in science I have to go by what little I know. But from a layman’s perspective, after watching endless hours of debates between experts who recommend plant based vs. those advocating for omnivorous diets I have become convinced that a balanced whole food plant based diet is nutritionally complete (in conjunction with the appropriate supplementation such as b12 and omega fatty acid supplements.) In fact, if the likes of Dr. Gregor are correct, WFPB is very likely superior to an omnivorous diet.
Mock meats are ok, but they are generally considered by health and fitness experts to be ‘transition foods’ for those who are transitioning from omnivore to vegan. I eat mock meats too often and it would help me lose weight if I stopped eating them so much.
Are we hard-wired by evolution to enjoy the taste of meat? Perhaps, I don’t know. We are certainly hardwired to enjoy calorically dense foods, and animal products do tend to be ~1000kcal per pound, so it would make sense that we crave them. But there is a whole world or culinary delight to be enjoyed in lentils and beans. Skilfully cooked and flavoured tofu or seitan is extremely delicious and is usually healthier than mock meats (which tend to contain a lot of oil.)
Culturally people’s culinary traditions mean they are understandably attached to the flavour and texture of meat. I enjoy meat but I chose not to eat it for ethical, environmental and health reasons.
When I speak to people, especially older people, they say they don’t want to eat mock meats because they “don’t know what they are getting.” But then again, they haven’t always considered what is actually in their meat, for example, residues of antibiotics or harmful viruses and bacteria. And they often haven’t considered the advantages of mock meats, such as they contain no dietary cholesterol or heme iron.
My observation is that people are very suspicious of mock meats, and especially suspicious of the idea of cultured meats. It will take a lot to convince them that it is better for their health to eat cultured meat than to eat real meat. And it will have to taste convincingly like real meat.
I desperately hope that humanity will learn, before it is too late, to value the lives of the animals and the life support systems of our planet over taste pleasure.
George Monbiot’s ‘Regenesis’and Ed Winter’s ‘Vegan Propaganda’ are IMO two important books that have come out this year. I’d recommend reading them. And it’s a good idea to read these books and give them some thought before dismissing them. For my part, I will try not to dismiss those on the opposite side of the argument. If we try to learn arguments for and against on both sides, then we will hopefully arrive at the best way forward.
Let’s save the soil, the biodiversity, the animals, the oceans! Let’s grow our food in a truly sustainable way! Let’s stop supporting animal agriculture and fishing, lest the land become barren and the oceans empty!
Thanks Novara, excellent interview 👍
I agree. And as a philosophy student animal rights is also the only logical conclusion of every principle of justice we have. There is no actual justification of animal exploitation that isn’t some form of suprematism akin to racism or any other unjustified moral divide between groups.
I think the reason so many people resist plant based alternatives and have generally very low nutritional litteracy is marketing and capitalist forces. The meat industry has pulled a genious marketing trick in making people believe that they need extreme ammounts of protein, and meat is where to get it. They have made generations believe they NEED meat at almost every meal, every day. The meat industry has also been busted numerous times in using tobacco style fabrications of «studies» in their favour and rely heavily on appeals to nature, tradition and the mass spreading of misinformation oline, which is truly rampant. As we see a growing fascist wave across the world, we will likely see more and more an allyship between fascism and animal agriculture. They both want to cling to a «trasitional natural order» of dominators and dominated, they both rely on anti-intellectualism and psuedoscience, they both fetishize violence and «masculinity» as domination over the weak. So I’m afraid we will see even more misinformation and reactionary dismissal of science the coming years.