Quite surprised by their reactions to this one, they really seemed to miss, or not appreciate that by wiping her memory they were not punishing the same person who committed the crime. But I suppose that's the beauty of Black Mirror, we all take away something different from it.
Exactly! If the person being punished doesn't know why they're being punished, it defeats the purpose of punishment. It then just becomes a repeated act of sadism by the punishers. Much like the act she was being punished for. Irony!!
RubyRuby210 The point of this episode is really easy to miss. I am watching this show as they are and have not seen all of it, but from what I have seen, “Black Mirror” tries to warn us about the dangers and morality of how humanity and technology can interact. In that regard, it’s similar to a lot utopian/dystopian novels such as “Brave New World” or others like it. Concepts for the episodes go like this: find problem we face as humans, use high tech methods, show why this is potentially dangerous. Alternatively, as seen in 1x2 and 1x3, episodes can show the dangers of technology continuing on its current path: its natural evolution will cause problems in society. The episodes I’ve seen so far have all followed one of these two formulas and have worked pretty well. The issue with particular episode is that it doesn’t do one of these two things. I could not tell you why this would be happening, because crime is a problem that we already have a solution to. The message that they wiped the person’s mind and are still punishing her is almost completely lost because there is no context for it. The whole scenario is presented as revenge rather than punishment: a common theme among those who criticize today’s crime and punishment system. I can see that there is definitely some commentary in that aspect of the plot. Overall, my main issue with this episode is that it definitely delivers a message, but it does not feel like it has a point. She is being punished even though she does not know what she is being punished for. So what? Is this morally wrong? I don’t know. Unlike the rest of “Black Mirror”, this episode feels the least applicable to society today. Why would this type of punishment exist? What problem would this type of punishment solve? Why is this a bad way to solve it? Alternatively, how does this form of punishment evolve from modern technology. This might be more realistic than other episodes, but it feels the least believable to me. The point is easy to miss because it is not given enough context to be believable. It isn’t necessarily a bad episode and it is an interesting story regardless, but it does fail to present its theme as something really worth exploring.
my5head exactly she is probably released into a cell or something later, but just like we felt for her, the punishment makes her feel sympathy towards the child she murdered, the little girl was probably confused, there was a stranger filming while other person is hurting you, same with her she is confused terrified and scared, just like the girl. People also think the show speak about the technology but it’s about human issues and the way they interact with technology. Once again they make her feel what she did for the girl. Now she just doesn’t feel sympathy but she knows what she has done.
I think Blind Wave are missing the whole point of the episode. It's not about the world of the story, it's about the questions of crime and punishment in a technological age, that it poses.
This was a good one though, I'm conflicted to whether this was justified. I guess by Western understanding of justice this is inhumane no matter who's on the receiving end but I can see why this can seem like a reasonable punishment if you're really fucked up. So idk
@@senatorpoopypants7182 is there another purpose? like every time they do it, she can remember a fragment of the murder. maybe until she forget the crime itself, they will do it until then.
But once they erase her memories she isn’t the same person… the whole point of punishment (like jail etc) is so you can know what you did was wrong and try to learn from it. So the person they are torturing doesn’t really deserve it, they are torturing a distressed person that doesn’t know what is going on or why is it happening, same as the little girl.
@@lucianaromulus1408 And that makes it okay? I guess we should round up all the inmates from the death rows to a battle royale and watch this sick sport on TV while munching on popcorns, what kind of twisted society would that be?
As someone opposed to punishment as spectacle, this is probably one of the most disturbing Black Mirror episodes. Not just because she relives the same nightmare every day, but because of how much vicarious enjoyment the public derives from her suffering.
My biggest take away from the episode was the sympathy for the main character. How would you feel about her and her punishment if you knew of her crime beforehand?
@@yisus4681 Then you are no better than her. When you erase someones memory it doesn't matter what she did, you are punishing someone else. Yes she deserved to be punished but not like that.
@@yisus4681 I mean episode is about this kind of torture is ethic or not so everyone can have their opinions. But still when you erase someones memories, you erase their personality because our memories is what made our personality this means she is not the same person who did that at least this is what i think.
@@yisus4681 if it was my child I would want the perpetrator punished or even executed. What I WOULDN'T want is to have an entire public coming to a park and having fun participating in watching a blank shell being hunted and tortured day after day with everyone being told to have fun, indulging their own psychopathic tendencies but legally mandated, in the name of my child. Fuck that.
I think you guys miss the moral quandary with what's happening in the episode. Ultimately at this point her memory has been wiped so many times , guilty or not, she has next to no idea about the crime. The person who committed the crime is from her point of view is totally no one she has connection to. They essentially deleted the original person, criminal, and now are torturing someone else. Or, firstly, is a punishment really a punishment if the person being punished has no idea of the crime? Worse question, criminal (or worse innocent but found guilty) torture . At what point does it go from an appropriate punishment to revelling in a seemingly viewed as deserved torture. How many times do you torture another person before you also become a monster. Do the people , the general public with the phones , even care about or view the terrible murder of a child as relevent anymore. The observers didn't react with hate or out of vengeance, but like it was all fun. Entertainment more than justice. When did the public go from witnesses aiding in a punishment to visitors of a theme park? The reflection of us as the general public watch terrible news events on 24 hour news is quite striking too. When do we become used to seeing murder and terror on TV or in the news that it becomes day to day. I also am struck by the main cast, the people with the recurring roles in this play, so to speak. Watch the bulk of them during the credits again. It's like a day job to them. Having a smoke or lunch before heading off to terrify a woman again. At what point did the events they repeat lose weight or connection to context? Most striking is the guard sitting outside the room just as she's having electricity shot through her temples again. He doesn't even react as she screams endlessly. He's utterly used to it. Through punishing her has everyone involved become the same sort of monster? Two further bits of thought food you guys didn't pick up on. while the bulk of the punishment seems like a poetic justice that could be seen by some as psychological torture... the last moments of her every single day is literal legal torture as she's electrocuted directly to the skull for 30 minuets. If anyone else survived the electric chair once there would be questions by some over the cruelty of the punishment (as has happened historically). Secondly, and most worrying/dark of all. They play her the footage she recorded of a child being tortured and killed to her every day. They have a saved copy of a child being killed in a snuff film essentially and there's no question of the ethics behind that? If nothing else we would worry about the rights of the victim, a child no less. Her murder is on video, kept in the hands of a "theme park" and is played daily like it was nothing to the people using it as what they see as a further justified torture. It's very fascinating writing. There's a lot more to unpack just in this episode alone. The next one is going to be an interesting tonal shift. Lol. Side note: from now on, if it's black mirror WATCH TILL THE END OF THE CREDITS, might be a good ground rule. Also, second side note... There's an interview with creator and main writer Charlie Brooker when he talks about how they come up with the plot ideas for the show. It might take most viewers of BM by surprise.
Thank you for saying this. So many people jump straight to "Oh she was guilty at some point, so it's fine" and then shut their brains off. But this episode (to me) is a criticism of how people take the judicial system as some sort of gladiatorial-esque entertainment to sate their thirst for blood. Outrage and vengeance is easy, and people always jump to it. It's scary.
thanks fucking thanks i thought i was the only one who thinks that was cruel af i felt so bad for her, like the person they are torturing is not the same person who did the bad thing its totally different person, all my friends watched it and they were alright her being tortured cuz she was "guilty"
For me, it was one of the most ethically complicated episodes and was more about the society, which created such park and enjoys visiting it. Because it raises the question, what such actions towards even the person, who did something terrible, say about these people, who make and participate in this "show". Since they inflicting almost the same sufferings, as the convicted person did. It almost looks like people have found an excuse to torture someone without any moral and legal reprecussions. Such actions do not make the person reevaluate her values or assess her previous actions, since she does not remember them. They do not rehabilitate her. So there is no outcome for the society from this park, except the twisted enjoyment, that people visiting this park seem to feel. And that is extremely twisted, because, in my opinion, such kind of park, just brings out the worst in people.
Damn this episode tripped me out. The whole episode I thought the girl was daughter and I just knew something bad had happened to the girl, and that our protagonist was likely responsible for it. I never woulda realized that she intentionally hurt the lil girl tho
For me they've missed essential the plot/talking points - ethical debate around whether or not this is punishment as it should be, and how we want it (yeah they mentioned eye for an eye I think, but there it stopped). Whereas maybe explain why "public crucifixion" (or eye for an eye) isn't really helping anyone in society: not the victims, not the prisoner and so on - due to the wiping of memory, one could argue that this is actually public torture without the real perpetrator not being there any more to learn from it - making a show out of justice & penalty system.
Feel like they really didn't dig into the ethical, moral, and societal implications here, caught up as they were on the world-building and technology based questions. Shame.
C'mon you cant justify that punishment. It's vindictive, cruel, and not in any way helpful. The only thing torturing her like this accomplishes is turning everyone complicit in it into the very type of monster that she was. The kind that gets joy from suffering. Especially profiting off of it and wiping her memory so she has no idea why this is happening. It's fucking psychotic.
@@coprice94 And does that justify the whole thing that's being set up. Would it justify you in taking part in the same thing to someone who doesn't remember it? Those are the questions being asked. The crime itself isn't glorified, there's no doubt at all that her past crime was very faulty and cruel. But how can anyone learn or get insight when your memory is wiped? How can you make progress then? Overthink your past? This is revenge, crucifixion on the town square on a whole other level. Who does it benefit exactly here? That's the main question.
How about you just press the mute button in the future? Credits without sound won't distract you from your discussion and you will see if there is a after credit scene
19:00 Yeah! That's exactly what I thought after watching this episode! It reminded me those specific two myths. An endless loop of punishment. Yeah you can find anything in Greek mythology!!
It's so weird that they covered a lot of trivial, irrelevant stuff here from the episode and never seemed to grasp what it was really trying to say the viewer. They nitpicked everything except the episode's message and challenge to its viewer. They babbled about the theme park franchise, resource management, and even focused on the frequency in which she was punished... Lol. At least most of the comments here were tackling the discussion these guys shouldve had-- this was about crime and punishment.. and how this was as much about the spectators as much as it was about the prisoner. It's cool, I guess.. not everyone really wants to dive deep into such bleak ideas :D
Honestly, you guys... Black Mirror episodes are near-future parables, asking questions about social attitudes, especially in the light of technological advancement. And you're more concerned with costing the operation? D'oh!
I’m 13 and I watched this episode and it made me feel really stressed and confused so probs will wait till I’m older to watch the whole series cause yh it should be an 18 after watching this
This is one of my favorite episodes, mostly because I'm very against institutionalized punishment. I think the ways we treat criminals is extremely inhumane, especially considering the fact that often times we don't know for sure that they committed the crime, and for a lot of crimes there are legitimate reasons to commit them. This hits really hard for me because it's directly about one of the activism causes I'm most invested in. The dehumanization of someone who has done a bad thing, and the horrors people will justify as retribution. It's brilliant and awful and amazing.
For me they've missed essential the plot/talking points - ethical debate around whether or not this is punishment as it should be, and how we want it (yeah they mentioned eye for an eye I think, but there it stopped). Whereas maybe explain why "public crucifixion" (or eye for an eye) isn't really helping anyone in society: not the victims, not the prisoner and so on - due to the wiping of memory, one could argue that this is actually public torture without the real perpetrator not being there any more to learn from it - making a show out of justice & penalty system.
The point of this elaborate scheme is the peoples way of preventer her from killing herself to avoid jail time like her lover did so this is her jail time per say but i think the point of the episode is saying how nowadays no one wants to help they just want to film you mostly all of black mirror are metaphors
I still say the battery powered Turkey carver knife is more funny than intimidating....Don't get me wrong, it would probably still hurt, but its too gimmicky to find actually scary.
(9:38) OMG - you guys didn't even bother to watch until the end of the video ....how dumb is that? Oh, you DID - silly me. (Shouldn't watched your video to the end, hub?)
When are you doing RWBY volume 6. It is finished already but it’s only on the rooster teeth website. Apparently because lots of their videos got demonetised.
1:12 - "Maybe she's in some kind of, like, loop." Other than having already seen the episode, what has happened in the first minute of the scene to indicate this? Come on, man. Nobody likes a spoiler. It's a reaction video, not a remembering video.
I doubt he’s watched it before. He’s an experienced film watcher, and this show was cleverly crafted using a lot of familiar techniques that would subtly make you wonder.
@@DromeG60 What is it about someone waking up and being confused where they are that makes you think someone is in a loop? There is absolutely no context to derive that from unless you already knew the answer. I could see maybe figuring it out later in the episode, but he said that right at the beginning. Impossible to figure that from what has been shown.
I don't believe at all that her memory is totally wiped. I think it is TEMPORARILY wiped, thus becoming less morally corrupt. Otherwise, what stops a criminal from using the defense of forgetfulness? Regardless of how it happens, memory erasure does not excuse crime. For example, if a person kills 20 people in cold blood, then hits his head and gets amnesia, is he just absolved of the crimes? "Oh, you don't remember what happened, so you're good to go! Black Mirror bleeding hearts said so." Sorry, that isn't how it works. The person who commited the crime still exists. You can argue beyond that what is torture and what isn't, but regardles of memory, one fact remains: the lady who commited the crime still exists.
If you can't remember what happened, then how are you supposed to learn or ever grow? Sure, some people are born with natural tendencies, but this doesn't serve anyone anything - rather than just "revenge" aka "an eye for an eye". The OG episode would've ended in a "public crucifixion", which this is over and over now and in the form of brutal entertainment and capitalism. Next, you say "the person still exist", I'd say the "body still exists". Why? Well, there's enough evidence that after small to serious brain injury there is a chance of total change of personality. Sometimes people are totally different. And thus we can conclude that she likely isn't the same person anymore. Last of all: if you don't remember why you are being punished - then what's the point of the punishment. As I said in the beginning: pure revenge. But is that what we really want?
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So you're still hateful sadistic
For future reference, let the credits roll. most episodes have post credit scenes
seen the whole show and didnt even know this :^)
@@ppsj69 Gotta rewatch!You've missed out on alot
Holy shit how have i been unaware of this. I've never seen a postcredit scene on RUclips?
@Грустная девочка
Possibly copyright?
Plus most people just press “Next Episode” and skip the credits entirely.
The fact that it happens mere seconds after the director credit speaks to the impatience of people
Quite surprised by their reactions to this one, they really seemed to miss, or not appreciate that by wiping her memory they were not punishing the same person who committed the crime. But I suppose that's the beauty of Black Mirror, we all take away something different
from it.
Exactly! If the person being punished doesn't know why they're being punished, it defeats the purpose of punishment. It then just becomes a repeated act of sadism by the punishers. Much like the act she was being punished for. Irony!!
RubyRuby210
The point of this episode is really easy to miss. I am watching this show as they are and have not seen all of it, but from what I have seen, “Black Mirror” tries to warn us about the dangers and morality of how humanity and technology can interact. In that regard, it’s similar to a lot utopian/dystopian novels such as “Brave New World” or others like it. Concepts for the episodes go like this: find problem we face as humans, use high tech methods, show why this is potentially dangerous. Alternatively, as seen in 1x2 and 1x3, episodes can show the dangers of technology continuing on its current path: its natural evolution will cause problems in society. The episodes I’ve seen so far have all followed one of these two formulas and have worked pretty well.
The issue with particular episode is that it doesn’t do one of these two things. I could not tell you why this would be happening, because crime is a problem that we already have a solution to. The message that they wiped the person’s mind and are still punishing her is almost completely lost because there is no context for it. The whole scenario is presented as revenge rather than punishment: a common theme among those who criticize today’s crime and punishment system. I can see that there is definitely some commentary in that aspect of the plot.
Overall, my main issue with this episode is that it definitely delivers a message, but it does not feel like it has a point. She is being punished even though she does not know what she is being punished for. So what? Is this morally wrong? I don’t know. Unlike the rest of “Black Mirror”, this episode feels the least applicable to society today. Why would this type of punishment exist? What problem would this type of punishment solve? Why is this a bad way to solve it? Alternatively, how does this form of punishment evolve from modern technology. This might be more realistic than other episodes, but it feels the least believable to me. The point is easy to miss because it is not given enough context to be believable. It isn’t necessarily a bad episode and it is an interesting story regardless, but it does fail to present its theme as something really worth exploring.
I got the impression that by wiping her memory, they give her the helpless feeling of being a child.
my5head exactly she is probably released into a cell or something later, but just like we felt for her, the punishment makes her feel sympathy towards the child she murdered, the little girl was probably confused, there was a stranger filming while other person is hurting you, same with her she is confused terrified and scared, just like the girl. People also think the show speak about the technology but it’s about human issues and the way they interact with technology. Once again they make her feel what she did for the girl. Now she just doesn’t feel sympathy but she knows what she has done.
i mean, she still did it, just cause she doesn't know doesnt make a difference. and they tell her every day anyway.
I think Blind Wave are missing the whole point of the episode. It's not about the world of the story, it's about the questions of crime and punishment in a technological age, that it poses.
@@CJ-77 No shit. But two wrongs don't make a right.
Leonidas Lemonis maybe it isn’t about right just revenge, and if it’s revenge then it isn’t wrong.
There is only one right murder for murder then the weighs are even.
This was a good one though, I'm conflicted to whether this was justified. I guess by Western understanding of justice this is inhumane no matter who's on the receiving end but I can see why this can seem like a reasonable punishment if you're really fucked up. So idk
@@senatorpoopypants7182 is there another purpose? like every time they do it, she can remember a fragment of the murder. maybe until she forget the crime itself, they will do it until then.
Park visitors are guilty of one of the same crimes as the woman: they are getting entertained by another person's torture.
No the difference is this woman deserves it and the child didn't
But once they erase her memories she isn’t the same person… the whole point of punishment (like jail etc) is so you can know what you did was wrong and try to learn from it. So the person they are torturing doesn’t really deserve it, they are torturing a distressed person that doesn’t know what is going on or why is it happening, same as the little girl.
@@angelicapepinillos388 that's the point...you get what you give
@@angelicapepinillos388 Agreed. It's memories and experiences that make us who we are: with her past she was a new person, an innocent of any crime.
@@lucianaromulus1408 And that makes it okay? I guess we should round up all the inmates from the death rows to a battle royale and watch this sick sport on TV while munching on popcorns, what kind of twisted society would that be?
As someone opposed to punishment as spectacle, this is probably one of the most disturbing Black Mirror episodes. Not just because she relives the same nightmare every day, but because of how much vicarious enjoyment the public derives from her suffering.
Because deep down humans like to watch this it's dark but true
@@Belive7heHype not all humans...
the public is able to stomach or justify it only with the awareness of her horrible crime.
My biggest take away from the episode was the sympathy for the main character. How would you feel about her and her punishment if you knew of her crime beforehand?
Still that the punishment was ridiculously cruel. That’s not justice
@SpyengoEen Above that they doing the same thing what she convicted. Enjoying her pain.
@@yisus4681 Then you are no better than her. When you erase someones memory it doesn't matter what she did, you are punishing someone else. Yes she deserved to be punished but not like that.
@@yisus4681 I mean episode is about this kind of torture is ethic or not so everyone can have their opinions. But still when you erase someones memories, you erase their personality because our memories is what made our personality this means she is not the same person who did that at least this is what i think.
@@yisus4681 if it was my child I would want the perpetrator punished or even executed.
What I WOULDN'T want is to have an entire public coming to a park and having fun participating in watching a blank shell being hunted and tortured day after day with everyone being told to have fun, indulging their own psychopathic tendencies but legally mandated, in the name of my child. Fuck that.
I think you guys miss the moral quandary with what's happening in the episode.
Ultimately at this point her memory has been wiped so many times , guilty or not, she has next to no idea about the crime. The person who committed the crime is from her point of view is totally no one she has connection to.
They essentially deleted the original person, criminal, and now are torturing someone else.
Or, firstly, is a punishment really a punishment if the person being punished has no idea of the crime?
Worse question, criminal (or worse innocent but found guilty) torture . At what point does it go from an appropriate punishment to revelling in a seemingly viewed as deserved torture. How many times do you torture another person before you also become a monster.
Do the people , the general public with the phones , even care about or view the terrible murder of a child as relevent anymore. The observers didn't react with hate or out of vengeance, but like it was all fun. Entertainment more than justice.
When did the public go from witnesses aiding in a punishment to visitors of a theme park?
The reflection of us as the general public watch terrible news events on 24 hour news is quite striking too. When do we become used to seeing murder and terror on TV or in the news that it becomes day to day.
I also am struck by the main cast, the people with the recurring roles in this play, so to speak. Watch the bulk of them during the credits again. It's like a day job to them. Having a smoke or lunch before heading off to terrify a woman again. At what point did the events they repeat lose weight or connection to context? Most striking is the guard sitting outside the room just as she's having electricity shot through her temples again. He doesn't even react as she screams endlessly. He's utterly used to it. Through punishing her has everyone involved become the same sort of monster?
Two further bits of thought food you guys didn't pick up on. while the bulk of the punishment seems like a poetic justice that could be seen by some as psychological torture... the last moments of her every single day is literal legal torture as she's electrocuted directly to the skull for 30 minuets. If anyone else survived the electric chair once there would be questions by some over the cruelty of the punishment (as has happened historically).
Secondly, and most worrying/dark of all. They play her the footage she recorded of a child being tortured and killed to her every day. They have a saved copy of a child being killed in a snuff film essentially and there's no question of the ethics behind that? If nothing else we would worry about the rights of the victim, a child no less. Her murder is on video, kept in the hands of a "theme park" and is played daily like it was nothing to the people using it as what they see as a further justified torture.
It's very fascinating writing. There's a lot more to unpack just in this episode alone.
The next one is going to be an interesting tonal shift. Lol.
Side note: from now on, if it's black mirror WATCH TILL THE END OF THE CREDITS, might be a good ground rule.
Also, second side note... There's an interview with creator and main writer Charlie Brooker when he talks about how they come up with the plot ideas for the show. It might take most viewers of BM by surprise.
Thank you for saying this. So many people jump straight to "Oh she was guilty at some point, so it's fine" and then shut their brains off. But this episode (to me) is a criticism of how people take the judicial system as some sort of gladiatorial-esque entertainment to sate their thirst for blood. Outrage and vengeance is easy, and people always jump to it. It's scary.
thanks fucking thanks i thought i was the only one who thinks that was cruel af i felt so bad for her, like the person they are torturing is not the same person who did the bad thing its totally different person, all my friends watched it and they were alright her being tortured cuz she was "guilty"
For me, it was one of the most ethically complicated episodes and was more about the society, which created such park and enjoys visiting it. Because it raises the question, what such actions towards even the person, who did something terrible, say about these people, who make and participate in this "show". Since they inflicting almost the same sufferings, as the convicted person did. It almost looks like people have found an excuse to torture someone without any moral and legal reprecussions. Such actions do not make the person reevaluate her values or assess her previous actions, since she does not remember them. They do not rehabilitate her. So there is no outcome for the society from this park, except the twisted enjoyment, that people visiting this park seem to feel. And that is extremely twisted, because, in my opinion, such kind of park, just brings out the worst in people.
There is nothing complicated about this episode - her torturers are simply evil.
@@yisus4681 She isn't capable of it since she is another person. Torturers - and their defenders - are enemies of the mankind.
@@sergeyromanov5560 her and her boyfriend were the most evil people
Damn this episode tripped me out. The whole episode I thought the girl was daughter and I just knew something bad had happened to the girl, and that our protagonist was likely responsible for it. I never woulda realized that she intentionally hurt the lil girl tho
Most youtube reaction channels had trouble uploading this specific episode, and I see you guys too didn't escape that trouble.
Was waiting for "it shows that both sides are wrong" now I'm on business discussion about how profitable this attraction park can be:D
"I dont think any of the previous episodes had an after credits scene"
THAT WAS A LIE
I gotta go back and watch
@@waterproof4403 if i remember correctly... they all had an after credits scene
@@JIDcrit i just started watching black mirror like 2 days ago. I just finished 2×2
Ima go back and watch the first season endings. Thanks bro
best reaction channel IMO I love your debates and predictions and just the fact you all clearly enjoy what you do
For me they've missed essential the plot/talking points
- ethical debate around whether or not this is punishment as it should be, and how we want it (yeah they mentioned eye for an eye I think, but there it stopped). Whereas maybe explain why "public crucifixion" (or eye for an eye) isn't really helping anyone in society: not the victims, not the prisoner and so on
- due to the wiping of memory, one could argue that this is actually public torture without the real perpetrator not being there any more to learn from it
- making a show out of justice & penalty system.
Jesus Christ. 1 min in and they have already guessed the storyline. Nice job Aaron!
Feel like they really didn't dig into the ethical, moral, and societal implications here, caught up as they were on the world-building and technology based questions. Shame.
I thought the twist was that she was a bear on the run the whole time
Probably my favourite episode.
Same
C'mon you cant justify that punishment. It's vindictive, cruel, and not in any way helpful. The only thing torturing her like this accomplishes is turning everyone complicit in it into the very type of monster that she was. The kind that gets joy from suffering. Especially profiting off of it and wiping her memory so she has no idea why this is happening. It's fucking psychotic.
Burning a kid alive is cruel
@@coprice94 And does that justify the whole thing that's being set up. Would it justify you in taking part in the same thing to someone who doesn't remember it? Those are the questions being asked. The crime itself isn't glorified, there's no doubt at all that her past crime was very faulty and cruel. But how can anyone learn or get insight when your memory is wiped? How can you make progress then? Overthink your past? This is revenge, crucifixion on the town square on a whole other level.
Who does it benefit exactly here? That's the main question.
How about you just press the mute button in the future? Credits without sound won't distract you from your discussion and you will see if there is a after credit scene
Netflix autoplay tho
@@mesacboy7939 You can deactivate autoplay on netflix
@@ThePunikaTV Well they clearly haven't disabled it yet lol
19:00 Yeah! That's exactly what I thought after watching this episode! It reminded me those specific two myths. An endless loop of punishment. Yeah you can find anything in Greek mythology!!
This episode asks the question whether punishment is for revenge or to hinder the person from ever committing the crime again.
You guys are really on top of your reuploads. I found it on the website the same day, but this reupload is super fast.
bro called that she was in a loop not even 1 min into the episode hahah
"Every farmer and his mum's got a gun"
Yarp
Like who?
It's so weird that they covered a lot of trivial, irrelevant stuff here from the episode and never seemed to grasp what it was really trying to say the viewer. They nitpicked everything except the episode's message and challenge to its viewer.
They babbled about the theme park franchise, resource management, and even focused on the frequency in which she was punished... Lol.
At least most of the comments here were tackling the discussion these guys shouldve had-- this was about crime and punishment.. and how this was as much about the spectators as much as it was about the prisoner.
It's cool, I guess.. not everyone really wants to dive deep into such bleak ideas :D
Yeah it seems like a common trend with these BM episodes. I'd hope they dive more into the ethical and moral questions posed by each episode.
This was incredible
I swear they’ve watched it prior, dude literally called out 3 of the main twist by her just walking out into the street
Black mirror! More seasons!
Honestly, you guys... Black Mirror episodes are near-future parables, asking questions about social attitudes, especially in the light of technological advancement. And you're more concerned with costing the operation? D'oh!
I’m 13 and I watched this episode and it made me feel really stressed and confused so probs will wait till I’m older to watch the whole series cause yh it should be an 18 after watching this
Bro you should watch it now
This is one of my favorite episodes, mostly because I'm very against institutionalized punishment. I think the ways we treat criminals is extremely inhumane, especially considering the fact that often times we don't know for sure that they committed the crime, and for a lot of crimes there are legitimate reasons to commit them. This hits really hard for me because it's directly about one of the activism causes I'm most invested in. The dehumanization of someone who has done a bad thing, and the horrors people will justify as retribution. It's brilliant and awful and amazing.
My favourite black mirror episode
Finally! A channel with smart reviewers.
For me they've missed essential the plot/talking points
- ethical debate around whether or not this is punishment as it should be, and how we want it (yeah they mentioned eye for an eye I think, but there it stopped). Whereas maybe explain why "public crucifixion" (or eye for an eye) isn't really helping anyone in society: not the victims, not the prisoner and so on
- due to the wiping of memory, one could argue that this is actually public torture without the real perpetrator not being there any more to learn from it
- making a show out of justice & penalty system.
aaron predicting she was in a loop at 1:18. he is psychic.
Actually this episode of youtube is interesting psychological test
yall i cant with you guys guessing of the bat
Wow it's like a whole new comment section 😄
How was the previous one? Were people saying other stuff? Now I'm curious!
@@iont8172 "This is wholesome" "yes right on time" "you guys are the best" "don't forget to react to bandersnatch" 😆
@@BhBc8f8 lol
@@iont8172 It's almost like a Blindwave point butterfly effect
The point of this elaborate scheme is the peoples way of preventer her from killing herself to avoid jail time like her lover did so this is her jail time per say but i think the point of the episode is saying how nowadays no one wants to help they just want to film you mostly all of black mirror are metaphors
Hey! Do you guys want to do a reaction series about Inside No.9? Another amazing British Drama
Better than Black Mirror, even
Aaron has definitely seen this episode before lol
Why would they care if she broke a leg or got ill? It would be just one more thing where they could revel in her misery. The show would go on!
Obstacle Course
Edit: Or Not
this episode was really amazing and weird and scary
Thought it was the next episode for a sec
Don't forget white Christmas !
I still think the turkey carver is more funny and odd, than intimidating.
I still say the battery powered Turkey carver knife is more funny than intimidating....Don't get me wrong, it would probably still hurt, but its too gimmicky to find actually scary.
She need Geroge and mitchell to come and save her
She needs mitchell and george to help her because she played annie in being human uk that I keep asking you to watch
Anyone who likes this episode, should check out the 2002 Twilight Zone episode: 'The Pool Guy!'
Oh shit another epi-oh.
WHERE IS THE PIG?!?!?
Just kidding 🤣😅
You guys are amazing bye
I found the main character extremely annoying before the reveal, so I really wasn't bothered by finding out what was happening.
It annie from being human uk she need Mitchell and goerge to help her
Y’all just ruined the discussion for being impatient
React to the trailer of rocket man
(9:38) OMG - you guys didn't even bother to watch until the end of the video ....how dumb is that?
Oh, you DID - silly me. (Shouldn't watched your video to the end, hub?)
When are you doing RWBY volume 6. It is finished already but it’s only on the rooster teeth website. Apparently because lots of their videos got demonetised.
OMG the guy on the right is a fool.
Please mor Hunter x HUnter
·Yuki _Sakayaki· One a week, they will finish in about 2022 lol... as Eric said, “it’s a journey”
Shame you kept making jokes all the way through, either take it seriously otherwise don’t do it
1:12 - "Maybe she's in some kind of, like, loop." Other than having already seen the episode, what has happened in the first minute of the scene to indicate this? Come on, man. Nobody likes a spoiler. It's a reaction video, not a remembering video.
I doubt he’s watched it before. He’s an experienced film watcher, and this show was cleverly crafted using a lot of familiar techniques that would subtly make you wonder.
@@DromeG60 What is it about someone waking up and being confused where they are that makes you think someone is in a loop? There is absolutely no context to derive that from unless you already knew the answer. I could see maybe figuring it out later in the episode, but he said that right at the beginning. Impossible to figure that from what has been shown.
So cute
I don't believe at all that her memory is totally wiped. I think it is TEMPORARILY wiped, thus becoming less morally corrupt. Otherwise, what stops a criminal from using the defense of forgetfulness?
Regardless of how it happens, memory erasure does not excuse crime. For example, if a person kills 20 people in cold blood, then hits his head and gets amnesia, is he just absolved of the crimes? "Oh, you don't remember what happened, so you're good to go! Black Mirror bleeding hearts said so." Sorry, that isn't how it works. The person who commited the crime still exists.
You can argue beyond that what is torture and what isn't, but regardles of memory, one fact remains: the lady who commited the crime still exists.
If you can't remember what happened, then how are you supposed to learn or ever grow? Sure, some people are born with natural tendencies, but this doesn't serve anyone anything - rather than just "revenge" aka "an eye for an eye". The OG episode would've ended in a "public crucifixion", which this is over and over now and in the form of brutal entertainment and capitalism.
Next, you say "the person still exist", I'd say the "body still exists". Why? Well, there's enough evidence that after small to serious brain injury there is a chance of total change of personality. Sometimes people are totally different. And thus we can conclude that she likely isn't the same person anymore.
Last of all: if you don't remember why you are being punished - then what's the point of the punishment. As I said in the beginning: pure revenge. But is that what we really want?
Surprised your youtube channel is alive with all these copyright issues.
Your best strategy is to upload everything on Blindwave.net and use youtube for the discussion
@@105582 How will they get less views? The discussion will be on youtube. The source video will be on blindwave.net