Thanks for your time and effort in producing this video, this gives us a great bit of knowledge in whether or not to stick with MSFS version. My vote: Blackbird!
@@jonbeckett I completely let go of the Glass Porter as soon as the Beaver came out. For me having only glass instrumentation in planes that already are a bit older is a case of "Oh I'm sure, you'll find another customer for that". That said, the "clocked" Porter will return to my Air Hauler Fleet. I love steam gauges.
I fell absolutely in love with this plane after your 2 videos, sir. And now it’s my favorite msfs aircraft. There is something special about this ugly rusty old Volkswagen with wings. Greetings from Ukraine!
you're not supposed to use reverse to enter the beta range. if you start slow enough (anywhere in the range of flap speed) and go thrust idle, the prop should enter beta and then you can do a beta decent. You should avoid it in the landing itself, since it turns the rudder (and elevator) much less effective and this is a tail dragger after all.
Not sure why the autopilot wouldn't pick up the 86 radial from the VOR - glancing through the KAP140 manual (well worth downloading, this is the "2 axis with altitude pre-select" version of the KAP140) it's capable of captures at angles approaching 90 degrees. There was a passing comment on something that if the KAP is in HDG mode you can press HDG again to put it back into ROL mode "which allows any angle capture". I'll have a play with it later. Only halfway through the video, I presume this flight is going to be short enough that you won't have to worry about that generator light on the annunciator panel that went out when you turned the gen on then came back on when you reset the gen :) FWIW the 'pictorial navigation indicator' as Honeywell call it - or what us normal folk call the HSI - is automatically adjusted for drift. From the manual : "KMT 112 Magnetic Slaving Transmitter. This unit senses the direction of the earth’s magnetic field and continuously transmits this information through the slaving circuitry to the directional gyro which is automatically corrected for precession or “drift”. This sensor is mounted remotely - usually in a wingtip - to eliminate the possibility of magnetic interference." So any plane that has that KAP140 will (=should) automatically correct drift in whatever DG/HSI is fitted.
@@jonbeckett I've had the same issue of having to Cycle the CDI on the default aircraft aswell and the GPS and AP look like the default Sim ones not a 3rd party item
This is still only a public beta. They are asking for bug feedback on their forum. Reverse pitch/thrust is only for ground use as well. Beta mode is low positive pitch. Edit: I was half awake when I typed this. I hope it didn't come off as rude. I enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work :)
- watches Jonathan apply takeoff power with all trims set to neutral and the tailwheel unlocked - pauses video - get popcorn - PLAY 😁 well that was disappointingly well controlled 🤣
I think having to toggle the CDI is a sim issue, not an aircraft issue. I don't always have to do it, but it happens so often with so many aircraft that I generally do it as a matter of course now.
The PC6 from Milviz came out early in MSFS life, and used a number of work-arounds to achieve things. Over time the simulator has changed. On top of that, these are complex aircraft. People expect everything to be perfect all the time these days - they often have no idea how complex achieving something might be.
Fun fact about the beta thrust on most of these turbo props especially the pt-6 the beta trust is more a break saver when taxing than anything or on the runway. There not recommend to be used while airborne as the risk of stall is substantially higher
Yep - I've read about it too. They use to allow it in-flight, but more and more operators are requesting pilots don't use it in-flight because it's too dangerous given that too many pilots fly by procedure rather than common sense.
Thank you Jonathan, this will certainly get me started with the Blackbird Sim. Pilatus PC6. A question comes to mind… why do some planes have both the Garmin 530 and the 430 too? They seem to show the same info but can they perform different jobs at the same time? Many thanks. Best regards, Pete.
The flight plan is typically synchronised between the two - but yes - you've got it right - you can use both at the same time to do different jobs. If I have both, I typically configure the 430 to show the first page, which has all of the data on it, then combine that with the 530 showing the route. That said, the 530 can show all the data too, overlaid on an aircraft oriented map in it's first page.
Great plane, but my biggest gripe is that you cannot extend and retract the ski which make it non functional to an extent. I really wish they would update the skis at least.
steep approach is a special feature of the plane. When you watch the Swiss Army paratrooper flights, you will see that he can come down VERY steeply, I think the prop goes on Beta, and maybe they even use flaps to keep from getting too fast. So actually what you demonstrated is pretty much standard routine, except reverse prop pitch is most probably not used. I wish to hear from somebody who knows.
This is a hard sell as we get a free PC6 from Microsoft including both glass and gauge models. The included PC6 steam version does not have an autopilot but the G1000 model does. What's interesting is the G1000 is paired with the older autopilot so no VNAV is available. It's like the G1000 NXi is half-baked. Blackbird's version is definitely superior with many more features. I loved how you "stressed" the plane ; very entertaining. Another excellent video.
Is there a trick to keep this thing rolling straight upon touching down on landing? I never was able to keep her straight. In other words it is all over the place (mostly to ward the left)
What I don't like about this product is lack of documentation. Like what's the take off speed? At what speed should I retract flaps? How to adjust power during flight? I mean, I don't know where to find all these information. Are you following any manual here or what ... ? How do you know?
@@jonbeckett Jon, thank you for your reply. I'm aware there's a manual there, but I don't find it to be very good. It literally doesn't even say what the take off speed is. I looked carefully after I saw your comment in case I missed it, but half the information you need is not there. Obviously, this is not on you. I just wish the devs would provide a proper manual considering this is a simulator after all...
You are actually not using beta mode, but reverses, which are prohibited in flight. To enter Beta, you need to bring the power lever back to zero, but NOT IN REVERSE, maintain level flight until below 100 kts, then let the nose come down and control the airspeed and V/S with picth angle at approximately 4000ft/min under 100kts. Correct me if i'm wrong. But you should not use reverse. EDIT : ruclips.net/video/hzTMgkyPJLQ/видео.html
You are actually not allowed to go full throttle. Otherwise the Aircraft will brake due to stress. Enable stress damage and you will see that going to much above 45 TRQ will cause you to crash...
So the PC-6 that's included in the deluxe edition of MSFS-2020 is not the Blackbird model? I know they have a $36 dollar version on the market out there on their website , but I figured that's for people that don't have the Deluxe edition of MSFS-2020. So if the Blackbird is not the PC-6 included in MSFS-2020 (premium version), then what is the default that we see in the simulator ? and is that one in the simulator ok to use and is comparable to the Blackbird Simulations one? I want the best one possible and if the built-in PC-6 is great, then I'll keep the $36.00 in my pocket, but if the BB is not included and is much much better and I have to buy it, then I will do so. Next let me know and thanks for reading this and answering my question and im so so sorry that it's a dumb one.
The stock PC-6 is not as good as the Blackbird Simulations version. The Blackbird one is much more accurate - flight model, avionics, etc - much better.
@@jonbeckett Thank you so much for getting back to me. I was flying with some guys on a stream tonight and was in the Asobo PC-6 with the PMS-50 mod (free one), it was a good plane but she was hard to handle at times (erratic pulling to the left on the ground at times and some other things, but for the most part it went very well with that). But I still am considering the Blackbird (streamer was flying it and it has a tail-wheel lock)
Nice review but you're not supposed to use reverse mode when airborne in real life ! Beta mode is 95% of the time sufficient to not accelerate even on a steep descent.
I hope they have upgraded in xbox x Well maybe not. There are planes that work perfectly so i know it is not the sim or the platform. It is simply the lack of the developers skill. The embraces 190/95 said their flight computer was the ab320’s default i laughed. The 320 is not how an airbus works and an embrace does not work either. Just very poor understanding of how the systems work
It's more lack of resources, and economic reasons. To get a plane into the marketplace, the developer has to abide by Microsoft's licensing agreements - they also have to give them a huge cut of sales. Most small developers are not willing to do that. Depending on code they may have licensed, they may not be ABLE to do that.
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Great video, a lovely cool and calm voice helps you guide through the systems. Thank you I’m only a novice but love to watch your videos. Mav
Cheers :)
The prop and the turbine aren’t physically connected in a PT6 when you the prop lever forward it only brings the prop out of feather. Great video!!
Thanks for the info
Another Crackin video and Happy Christmas and look forward to all the New Exciting content in 23
Happy holidays!
Great video! So useful for those of us looking for a versatile aircraft!
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for your time and effort in producing this video, this gives us a great bit of knowledge in whether or not to stick with MSFS version. My vote: Blackbird!
Glad it was helpful!
It’s out! At last! Thanks!
No problem!
Taking the prop out of feather does not engage the gearbox. It's always engaged.
I enjoyed your video and wish you a happy Christmas.
Merry Christmas to you too :)
Enjoying the glass version at the moment especially since i watched your flight planning tutorial!
Heh - glass isn't as much fun as dials whizzing round though :)
@@jonbeckett yeah totally agree!
@@jonbeckett I completely let go of the Glass Porter as soon as the Beaver came out. For me having only glass instrumentation in planes that already are a bit older is a case of "Oh I'm sure, you'll find another customer for that". That said, the "clocked" Porter will return to my Air Hauler Fleet. I love steam gauges.
I fell absolutely in love with this plane after your 2 videos, sir. And now it’s my favorite msfs aircraft. There is something special about this ugly rusty old Volkswagen with wings. Greetings from Ukraine!
Great video Jonathan
Cheers :)
you're not supposed to use reverse to enter the beta range. if you start slow enough (anywhere in the range of flap speed) and go thrust idle, the prop should enter beta and then you can do a beta decent. You should avoid it in the landing itself, since it turns the rudder (and elevator) much less effective and this is a tail dragger after all.
Exactly, « do not reverse on flight » is writing in the plane
Not sure why the autopilot wouldn't pick up the 86 radial from the VOR - glancing through the KAP140 manual (well worth downloading, this is the "2 axis with altitude pre-select" version of the KAP140) it's capable of captures at angles approaching 90 degrees. There was a passing comment on something that if the KAP is in HDG mode you can press HDG again to put it back into ROL mode "which allows any angle capture". I'll have a play with it later. Only halfway through the video, I presume this flight is going to be short enough that you won't have to worry about that generator light on the annunciator panel that went out when you turned the gen on then came back on when you reset the gen :)
FWIW the 'pictorial navigation indicator' as Honeywell call it - or what us normal folk call the HSI - is automatically adjusted for drift. From the manual : "KMT 112 Magnetic Slaving Transmitter. This unit senses the direction of the earth’s magnetic field and continuously transmits this information through the slaving circuitry to the directional gyro which is automatically corrected for precession or “drift”. This sensor is mounted remotely - usually in a wingtip - to eliminate the possibility of magnetic interference." So any plane that has that KAP140 will (=should) automatically correct drift in whatever DG/HSI is fitted.
There are some really odd behaviours in the aircraft, that's for sure. If they are accurate, is another matter :)
@@jonbeckett I've had the same issue of having to Cycle the CDI on the default aircraft aswell and the GPS and AP look like the default Sim ones not a 3rd party item
The tail gear is normally locked for t/o and landing.
One of my favorite planes. It's a Swiss army knife.
This is still only a public beta. They are asking for bug feedback on their forum. Reverse pitch/thrust is only for ground use as well. Beta mode is low positive pitch. Edit: I was half awake when I typed this. I hope it didn't come off as rude. I enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work :)
I'll report the nav mode issues to them then :)
Public Beta? I don't think so. The e-mail they sent on the 20th Dec. was pretty clear: It's the official release of Stage 2.
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Cheers :)
- watches Jonathan apply takeoff power with all trims set to neutral and the tailwheel unlocked
- pauses video
- get popcorn
- PLAY 😁
well that was disappointingly well controlled 🤣
Hah - the thing that scares me is people imagining that an aircraft will take-off on rails, and not deviate from straight and level flight...
I think having to toggle the CDI is a sim issue, not an aircraft issue. I don't always have to do it, but it happens so often with so many aircraft that I generally do it as a matter of course now.
The PC6 from Milviz came out early in MSFS life, and used a number of work-arounds to achieve things. Over time the simulator has changed. On top of that, these are complex aircraft. People expect everything to be perfect all the time these days - they often have no idea how complex achieving something might be.
Break it John! Break it! 😂😂 Awesome!!
Hmmmm has this been released to the in sim marketplace yet? All of mine still have the glass cockpit :(
I have no idea - you can get it from the developers website though (if you have a PC).
Fun fact about the beta thrust on most of these turbo props especially the pt-6 the beta trust is more a break saver when taxing than anything or on the runway. There not recommend to be used while airborne as the risk of stall is substantially higher
Yep - I've read about it too. They use to allow it in-flight, but more and more operators are requesting pilots don't use it in-flight because it's too dangerous given that too many pilots fly by procedure rather than common sense.
Thank you Jonathan, this will certainly get me started with the Blackbird Sim. Pilatus PC6.
A question comes to mind… why do some planes have both the Garmin 530 and the 430 too? They seem to show the same info but can they perform different jobs at the same time? Many thanks. Best regards, Pete.
The flight plan is typically synchronised between the two - but yes - you've got it right - you can use both at the same time to do different jobs. If I have both, I typically configure the 430 to show the first page, which has all of the data on it, then combine that with the 530 showing the route. That said, the 530 can show all the data too, overlaid on an aircraft oriented map in it's first page.
Thanks Jonathan. I understand now. Best regards, Pete.
Great plane, but my biggest gripe is that you cannot extend and retract the ski which make it non functional to an extent. I really wish they would update the skis at least.
steep approach is a special feature of the plane. When you watch the Swiss Army paratrooper flights, you will see that he can come down VERY steeply, I think the prop goes on Beta, and maybe they even use flaps to keep from getting too fast. So actually what you demonstrated is pretty much standard routine, except reverse prop pitch is most probably not used. I wish to hear from somebody who knows.
Re the fuel pump - would you not keep it on for take-off and go-around (landing) so it would be easy to restart the engine in case of a flame-out?
This is a hard sell as we get a free PC6 from Microsoft including both glass and gauge models. The included PC6 steam version does not have an autopilot but the G1000 model does. What's interesting is the G1000 is paired with the older autopilot so no VNAV is available. It's like the G1000 NXi is half-baked. Blackbird's version is definitely superior with many more features. I loved how you "stressed" the plane ; very entertaining. Another excellent video.
I'm sure a lot of the autopilot inconsistencies I saw are explainable - it was fun to try pressing all the buttons though :)
Is there a trick to keep this thing rolling straight upon touching down on landing? I never was able to keep her straight. In other words it is all over the place (mostly to ward the left)
What I don't like about this product is lack of documentation. Like what's the take off speed? At what speed should I retract flaps? How to adjust power during flight? I mean, I don't know where to find all these information. Are you following any manual here or what ... ? How do you know?
It comes with a very good manual. It's in the installation directory, within the community folder.
@@jonbeckett Jon, thank you for your reply. I'm aware there's a manual there, but I don't find it to be very good. It literally doesn't even say what the take off speed is. I looked carefully after I saw your comment in case I missed it, but half the information you need is not there. Obviously, this is not on you. I just wish the devs would provide a proper manual considering this is a simulator after all...
You are actually not using beta mode, but reverses, which are prohibited in flight. To enter Beta, you need to bring the power lever back to zero, but NOT IN REVERSE, maintain level flight until below 100 kts, then let the nose come down and control the airspeed and V/S with picth angle at approximately 4000ft/min under 100kts.
Correct me if i'm wrong. But you should not use reverse.
EDIT : ruclips.net/video/hzTMgkyPJLQ/видео.html
You're right. I didn't realise myself until afterwards. Beta just turns the blades flat against the oncoming air.
can all the attachments be removed from the wing?
Yes.
You are actually not allowed to go full throttle. Otherwise the Aircraft will brake due to stress. Enable stress damage and you will see that going to much above 45 TRQ will cause you to crash...
How does this rate against the already included PC6 ?
Superior in pretty much every way.
It's much better than the included PC6. More things "work".
@@jonbeckett how would compare the flight model ? I've Done a lot of hours in the PC6 in MSFS.
How you get Stage Two? Since I own the original, the stage tw supposed to be free. I went to the Black Bird page but there's no link.
They emailed me. I guess they are processing them in batches ?
How do you get reverse thrust/pitch?
Configure the throttle to do it :)
What, wait, really…?!! At last! Did you say ‘released’?!! It’s been 2 years, I believe?
Yes, really :) They emailed me this afternoon.
It’s a public beta for Stage 2 upgrades that was promised. The plane was originally released a while back as you mentioned.
You need to reset the Generator !
I know :)
Good stuff Jon, are there failures in this ?
I think so.
I now have a technique for landing on a postage stamp 😂
So the PC-6 that's included in the deluxe edition of MSFS-2020 is not the Blackbird model? I know they have a $36 dollar version on the market out there on their website , but I figured that's for people that don't have the Deluxe edition of MSFS-2020. So if the Blackbird is not the PC-6 included in MSFS-2020 (premium version), then what is the default that we see in the simulator ? and is that one in the simulator ok to use and is comparable to the Blackbird Simulations one? I want the best one possible and if the built-in PC-6 is great, then I'll keep the $36.00 in my pocket, but if the BB is not included and is much much better and I have to buy it, then I will do so. Next let me know and thanks for reading this and answering my question and im so so sorry that it's a dumb one.
The stock PC-6 is not as good as the Blackbird Simulations version. The Blackbird one is much more accurate - flight model, avionics, etc - much better.
@@jonbeckett Thank you so much for getting back to me. I was flying with some guys on a stream tonight and was in the Asobo PC-6 with the PMS-50 mod (free one), it was a good plane but she was hard to handle at times (erratic pulling to the left on the ground at times and some other things, but for the most part it went very well with that). But I still am considering the Blackbird (streamer was flying it and it has a tail-wheel lock)
Nice review but you're not supposed to use reverse mode when airborne in real life ! Beta mode is 95% of the time sufficient to not accelerate even on a steep descent.
Great video, always look forward to seeing your content. As for the pc6 that is one seriously ugly aircraft!!.
Awww... it's not that ugly. See if you can build something better out of a shed :)
I hope they have upgraded in xbox x
Well maybe not. There are planes that work perfectly so i know it is not the sim or the platform. It is simply the lack of the developers skill. The embraces 190/95 said their flight computer was the ab320’s default i laughed. The 320 is not how an airbus works and an embrace does not work either. Just very poor understanding of how the systems work
It's more lack of resources, and economic reasons. To get a plane into the marketplace, the developer has to abide by Microsoft's licensing agreements - they also have to give them a huge cut of sales. Most small developers are not willing to do that. Depending on code they may have licensed, they may not be ABLE to do that.
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