Thats why the BIBLE says that JESUS is ETERNAL. definition of ETERNAL is without beginning or end. UNCREATED. so all this stories that JESUS is created are unbiblical.
I remember how Dr. Michael Brown, would cry , during prayer and worship, How the Holy Spirit would move on Him. I miss my teacher, blessed however to listen to his podcast and watch His videos
These modalism in the Comments are following Flesh rather than the Word of God, they believe the Words of their Leader "Bernard" who interpret scriptures using his finite Mind.
JESUS IS GOD!!! The ancients longed to see it, God declared it, and Jesus himself confirmed it. Anybody denying this Truth is under an illusion and should take a closer look. Rom. 10:13-14, "for 'whoever will call upon the name of the Lord' will be saved." How then shall they call upon Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him whom they have not heard?" (Paul is speaking of calling upon Jesus. (The phrase "Call upon the name of the Lord" is a quote from Joel 2:32). Joel 2:32, "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call." (LORD here is YHWH, the name of God as revealed in Exodus 3:14. Therefore, this quote, dealing with God Himself is attributed to Jesus) I believe this is a major issue regarding faith in our day. Many people are believing the lie that Jesus was simply a glorified man. As Dr Brown correctly state it- he is God and this is why he was given a "name above every other name" and why when he "emptied himself" in the greatest act of humility the world has ever seen, he paid the righteous penalty that frees us who believe! This is a powerful message that saves and gives great strength!!
Dr. Brown, I agree with your teaching that Unitarians are not biblical. The problem with your view is that the Trinity doctrine teaches that Jesus is a "begotten God." You seem to overlook this in your presentation of Jesus is God. Maybe one day we will cross paths. God bless.
The scriptures teach both that Jesus is what his father whom he says sent him is. Also the he is the father's only unique Son. We accept both because the scriptures teach it.
@@MrChemenger Jesus is God manifest in the flesh (1 Tim 3:16). Jesus is the first and last (Rev 1). Jesus is the I Am (John 8). Jesus is the creator (John 1:10). Jesus is the everlasting Father (Isaiah 9:6).
You are partly Wrong the Word became the Son of God He or existed as the Word not as the Son Luke 1:33-35 shows why He is called the son. I think the real reason you are grieved is you are not all the way right. God sent His son into the Workd speaks of the birth and Jesus given his life for those who believe He became the Son we have no issue with His preexistance and you all are unable to see why. There is a reason why He was called the Word and not called the Son till later in the verse , John is showing everyone how Jesus is God but not the father. The belief He was always the son simply cannot be true but the belief the Son of God Jesus has always existed is. But as he became flesh shows How God had a son
@@c19commander44 the word Apple? What are you talking about that’s his name the WORD it’s in uppercase for a reason and he became the Son b being born in flesh now dependent upon God easy . Son actually means something it’s impossible for me abd you to always been existent at the same time but you are the son
@@lancelewis3368 - Does it say that JESUS existed as a LITERAL WORD ? JESUS said HE existed before HE became Human.BUT HE never said HE existed as a LITERAL WORD. or in the mind of GOD as people like you and the watch tower witness preach. the contradiction here is that on one had people like you and the jw preach that GOD is a spirit. so if GOD is a spirit as they claim.a spirit has no brain. see the contradiction .
The “origin” (genesis, Mat 1.1,18) of the Son occurs when God “brought [him] into existence” (gennao, Heb 1:5) in the womb of Mary (Mat 1:20; Luke 1:35). Hence, Paul preached the Son was “made,” I.e., came into existence (genomenon, Gal 4:4) in Mary.
@@antoinekiwan5832 Matthew 1.1, 18 the "origin" of the Messiah. Matthew 1.20 he was "procreated" Luke 1.35 the Son "came into existence" Hebrews 1:1 God did not speak in a Son
@@thehumanjesus Matthew talk about Jesus as King of Jews and Luke as human and Mark as servant and John as God Messiah from the beginning ( proveb s 8:23 ) Hebrews 1:2 Eternal son, he didn't speak to fathers not to prophets , word of god as person speak to prophets in old testament , in Hebrews hs said he didn't speak to fathers not prophets
@@thehumanjesus Bro u mix thr humaniy of Jesus with his diety . His Humanity became Messiah in the holy Baptism but his diety is the Messiah from the beginning Exodus 29:2 Brushed with olive oil and olive oil mixed in . Olive oil is the holy spirit. Mixed in mean he was the Messiah from the beginning Brushed with mean his humanity beacme Messiah in the holy baptism In Matthiew 1:18 They said that Jesus The Messiah is born from Mary , they didn't say he became Messiah His humanity became Messiah in the holy baptism . Messiah is born from Mary not Created
As I’m sure you’re aware, according to Jewish law if a man divorced his wife that Man could not re-marry the same woman. When God divorced the House of Israel that meant that unless that man would die reconciliation could not happen. Through the death of Jesus he could now reconcile that marriage. That’s why Jesus says that he came for the lost sheep of Israel. With that being said who was Israel married to the father, the son or the Holy Ghost?
Trinity(3&1)Genesis .. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God(Father)..... 1:2 ....the Spirit of God(Holy Spirit)... 1:3 God said (call out/ Spoke/ the Word /Logos /Debra /Memra/Kalam/The Son)...
So Vs 3 is the Son of God? Where? God SAID let there be light. Are those words a person(Jesus Christ?) No. They're simply words C'mon man. DNT be a weirdo
The doctrine of eternal sonship of Christ is contradicting psalm 2:7. There can’t be an eternal begotten son. They’re a contradicting terms. The Old Testament never mentions the father, the son or the Holy Spirit. The Old Testament mentions Elohim. One God (one I AM), three different persons. The term son depends on God encarnation.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Titles given to the Son who is born in this verse are Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, and The Prince of Peace. The Son here is clearly called God
Sir you are very confused. First the doctrine of eternal sonship does not contradict Ps. 2 :7. (watch Shamounian explain the term “begotten”). 2nd the OT DOES indeed mention in regard to God in the OT: Father(Isa. 63:16, Ps.89:26, Dt.32:6)Son (Prov. 30:4,Dan. 3:25)and Spirit( Isa. 48:16). Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Ps.45:7 (A Psalm of David.) The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Ps. 110:1 And last ,the term “son” in regard to Christ has nothing to do with Him being made flesh at a certain point in time. He was called “son” long before He was made flesh (Prov. 30:4, Dan. 3:25, Dan. 7:13).
I suggest that the name WORD used for JESUS by John is just one of the many names JESUS have. because in Revelation 19:13 says that HIS name is called the WORD. No living thing is ever said to exist as a literal WORD before that living thing became Human.
And God made us and made us fallible; or as clergy say: made us sinful. Many people do not like to use the word "sinful"; they just say that no one is perfect. Good for them not to use a condemnatory word ; as it is anti-human to be anti-human and which the Bible and clergy are. What the Bible and clergy like to see is that we all turn self-hating and self-condemning. Some of us are onto their schemes and dictatorship. Are the alleged God's commands of more use [or even of any use?] than to have made people he chose proper believers and doers, in the first place. Surely, a God who created the universe and is still keeping it going and changing, can also make proper human beings in his sight. Alas, the clergy could not or did not want to invent such a God; for the fact is, no believer is or can ever be a proper human. So, what to do? Settle on a lame duck God or gods; who does not fulfill prayers; does not forgive sins; does not make so-called his people healthy nor wealthy; nor wise, as clergy or gods promise.
The problem you end up with is you can’t really know God , when God says you can know God , Jesus says if you can’t believe earthly things how can you believe heavenly things concerning born again , the father is really Father The son is really the only begotten Son that’s what Our Lord claimed . and the clergy says they are smarter than what Lord said and to follow their confusion because they know best . It’s not mystery
Please Mr Brown, contact the truth of God ministries and reach out to pastor Gino Jennings, he always is willing to debate anyone, not to make him look bad,but you said you want truth,please consider it,,look forward to your reply,,thank and God bless you
Not sure what your issue is with angels giving adoration to a glorified man - the Lamb! 1 Cor 6:3 - "Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!" Heb 2:5 - "For it is not to angels that He has subjected the world to come, about which we are speaking." You speak with incredulity and say "angels singing this to a man, a mortal!" Which highlights the confusion you have. The resurrected exulted Jesus is not a mortal! While I would like to believe this is an oversight, I suspect (having listened intently to how you construct arguments for your position) there is something slightly more deceptive at play. I believe that intellectually you will be aware that the resurrected Christ has gained immortality - but due to this fact detracting from your position, you at best 'unconsciously' and at worse deceptively ride roughshod over the facts to make your point! You also say "All creation worships the Lamb, meaning that he himself was not created!" Yet in 1 Cor 15:27 we see that God gave all things to be under his feet! (See Psalms 8 for context!) There is no reason to suggest that because God has placed the preeminent one in such a position, that 'he himself was not created'! Again your statement is unsubstantiated and misleading. As for internal Bible evidence that you can't find for giving a created being that level of adoration, you are seeing it in Rev 5! For obvious reasons I cannot give a running commentary on everything you say here, but a pattern has been established!
Matthew Avstreih, Not sure what believers one day judging angels has to do with receiving the immense kind of worship (by myriads and myriads) that only the Father and the Lamb receive in Revelation. Moreover, why does it bother you that the Son is eternal with the Father? The Word of God addresses Him as ‘the Alpha and Omega’, along with the Father as “‘the First and the Last.’ The great I Am is not a small matter, either. But like you I could give a running commentary on what I think your position is and why I love the Trinity. It’s just impossible for me to see how a mere human being like ourselves (no matter how good) could take the sins of the world upon himself that only the Son of God who was sent from the Father was able to do. Moreover, how does a mere exalted man (or angel) have the ability to change people’s hearts and minds still today through belief in Him linked to the power of His Name? 🤔
@@beholdhisglory1657 Heb 2:5 should suffice! God has subjected the "world to come" to Jesus. The "world to come" includes angels - along with all creation. As subjects of God's Christ is should not be a surprise that they adore, glorify and worship him! This is precisely why God TELLS the angels to do just that (Heb 1:6). [If he were eternally God, why would the angels need to be told to worship him?] The terminology of 'mere human' is perhaps misleading. Adam was a human, but unlike any other since - but Jesus! You seem to be approaching it from the wrong direction. The Bible clearly teaches that it HAD to be a 'human being like ourselves' - "the man Christ Jesus" - and that is why I find it possible to believe - because the Bible says it! As for today, Jesus works through the spirit of God in hearts and minds.:)
@@matthewavstreih5039 Yes, it does. 1 Kings 8:38-39 whatever prayer...is made...then hear in heaven....for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men (NASB) Only God fully knows the hearts of all so only God is the proper recipient of prayer.
1John says that God was made flesh not God the son. That’s why we can attribute the words of Isaiah to Jesus because he’s God in the flesh. Not sure why you still think that Jesus is eternally the son. God the father did not send God the son to die for humanity. But God himself became flesh and reconciled the world unto himself. Not hard to understand. Jesus Christ IS the perfect manifestation of the one true God of Israel.
Do you believe Jesus is God, but you don’t believe in the trinity right? So basically you believe that Jesus is the Father at the same time he is the son?
The Bible says that the fullness of the Godhead was in Jesus bodily. Jesus is God manifested in the flesh. However in order to be a true sacrifice he also was fully human. So he did human things like praying.
@@jlar1984 Matthew 17:1 After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2 There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. 3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus. 5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”
Interesting , @@jlar1984, that you didn't answer the question. The bottom line is that your heretical modalism is unbiblical. Thus you are NOT worshipping the one True God of the Bible ... and you need to repent.
only point he's trying point out here is Jesus is divine but he's NOT the Father , but god is a Trinity ,,,,. if you want to see him debate Trinity then watch : Trinity Debate! Dr James White / Dr Michael Brown (part 1) ruclips.net/video/4n08MvgTNBE/видео.html part 2 ruclips.net/video/8tN3fy_FC8U/видео.html
I'm former UPC and can tell you that modalism is a heresy and should be rejected. The entire New Testament is trinitarian, the gospel is trinitarian. God sends his firstborn *into* the world -Hebrews 1:6. The idea is he sent the preexitent Son, eternally begotten from the Father. Read John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time; *the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father,* he hath declared him." This verse shows it was the Son who came forth from God. The Son even says he came *down* from heaven in John 6:41 & 6:51. In fact,, John 16:28 says exactly this! He came forth from God and is going back. This is a complete denial of oneness theology. Jesus' origins are of that from and with God, showing preexistance and he will go back to the Father in his bosom, in complete unity and glory! Philippians 2:6 says Jesus preexisted in the very nature of God before becoming a man and that he was *with* the Father in John 1:1 in eternity past. He became a servant, lower than the angels - Hebrews 2:9 as a sin offering 2 Corinthians 5:21 taking the law and it's requirements and the wrath of God upon himself to satisfy the Fathers judgement on sin Colossians 2:14 & Romans 5:9. He ascended back to the Father's right hand Acts 2:33 where he remains while all his enemies are made his footstool. At the culmination of all things, Jesus hands over the kingdom to God the Father in 1 Corinthians 15:24-28.
Modalism is heresy. But UPC aren’t modalist. We believe the Word = God. That God became flesh. The man Christ Jesus was begotten. Therefore not eternal from the beginning. But was fully human and fully man. He was the mighty God in Christ reconciling the world unto himself.
@@jlar1984 the UPC absolutely embraces modalism. If Jesus was the Father in creation, Son in redemption and Holy Spirit in rejuvenation, what is Jesus now? Is he back to being the Father or Holy Spirit?
Nope if you truly believe Jesus is God you would believe that he was with the Father not he was the Father that became Flesh rather The Word that was God became Flesh
Actually Oneness DON’t believe Jesus is God!! If that is, by “Jesus” you mean The Son. When Oneness say “Jesus is God” what they are really saying is: “the Father is God”. Oneness believe the Father ALONE is God and that the FATHER’s nomiker is “Jesus”. What Trinitarians mean when they say “Jesus is God” is “The Son is God”. And they assume everyone means the Son when they say the name “Jesus” but not everyone is talking about the Son when they say the name“Jesus”. Oneness are sneaky, and Trinitarians can be gullible(hence why God gives us instruction about being wise as serpants but innocent as doves, matt. 10:16). What Trinitarians call “Jesus” is what Oneness call a “nature”, a special nature that is self aware, has a will distinct from the Father’s will, and that can emote. A “nature” whom SCRIPTURE calls a “self” !! The Father has a Self the Son doesn't have: And now, O Father, glorify thou me with👉thine own self👈with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. John 17:5 The Son has a Self the Father doesnt have: I can of 👉mine own self👈 do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. John 5:30 So also Christ glorified not👉himself👈 to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. Heb.5:5 The Spirit has a Self that listens to another Self to pass us info: Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of 👉himself👈; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. John 16:13 Oneness ppl dont acknowledge this “self” of the Son’s at all other than to call it a “nature” never mind ETERNAL GOD THE SON!!! Here we come anitchrist heresy that the Apostle John warned about in 1John 4:1-6 ! Beloved believe not every spirit but try the spirits...
I watched the Tuggy/Brown debate, and watched another video by Brown afterwards. Brown doesn’t know what he believes, but yes, he’s a closet oneness when it comes down to it, he just doesn’t realize it himself.
@@kaitlinjensen he believes the Christian doctrine Trinity Latin: trinus"threefold") which holds that God is one God, but three coeternal consubstantial persons -the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit-as "one God in three Divine Persons". The three Persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature" In this context, a "nature" is what one is, whereas a "person" is who one is.
@@kaitlinjensen he believes that God is one God, but three coeternal consubstantial persons. -the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit-as "one God in three Divine Persons". The three Persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature" In this context, a "nature" is what one is, whereas a "person" is who one is.
Please put up the debate you had with the apostolic folk I got a feeling they did alright against you. Hopefully you didn’t try to tell them they were teaching anti christ they probably totally destroyed you on that point
@@philos_theos - I am telling you that is what JESUS Himself said. unless JESUS was schizophrenic (mental disorder,hearing voices) what you think ?was HE? I am basing my belief in the BIBLE. not into orthodox Triniterians.
@@c19commander44 You clearly stated that Jesus and God are separate entities and beings. Under no circumstances is that even biblical. You have dipped off into tritheism at that point which is extremely dangerous. You have divided God and have a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of God. Please explain the Godhead based on your understanding. Mine is clear. There is one God. Numerically one in every sense of the word. Jesus is God manifest in the flesh. He as an authentic human was able to pray to God. Trinitarians have issues with this. Deut 6:4 Isa 43,44,45 (multiple references here) Matthew 28:19 John 1:1 Titus 2:13 Phil 2:8 By the way, the religious jews of that day did not hold to your theology of "separate beings.entities". That's heretical.
@@philos_theos John 1:1 proves that JESUS and GOD are not the same ENTITY/BEING. Just like I and my Father are not the same Entity/Being . all through the ministry of JESUS HE made it clear that HIM & GOD the father are not the same being ,entity. do you even read the bible,or are you a muslim? who am i taking to here. Deuteronomy 6:4 does not use the number 1 but it used ONE, the Hebrew word ECHAD for UNITY . how can there only be 1 GOD as in number 1-when the apostles and GOD HIMSELF Calls JESUS GOD,Hebrew chapter 1. it has to be GOD as ONE,as in unity. the belief that GOD ,i am sure you mean god the father was manifested in the flesh. that belief started over 200 years after JESUS DEATH. You belief isn ARIANISM an influential heresy denying the divinity of Christ, originating with the Alexandrian priest Arius ( c. 250- c. 336). Arianism maintained that the Son of God was created by the Father and was therefore neither coeternal with the Father, nor consubstantial.
So if Jesus is God. And God was born from a virgin, why do you all pretend to deny that that makes Mary the mother of God? I am grieved that Trinitarians dent that the Father is the only true God according to the Lord himself. The word “Only” has lost its meaning to Trinitarians. And it is a blasphemy to have others Gods accompany God the Father.
@@biblicalmonotheism7591 God spoke, and it came to be, He commanded and it stood firm. Psalm 33. When you speak, what you speak is another person? Answer: No
@@peat381low8 ..and the Word became flesh.. John 1:14 New King James Version 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
God has no beginning and end.
Psalms 90:2
God is from everlasting Amen
Thats why the BIBLE says that JESUS is ETERNAL. definition of ETERNAL is without beginning or end. UNCREATED.
so all this stories that JESUS is created are unbiblical.
I remember how Dr. Michael Brown, would cry , during prayer and worship, How the Holy Spirit would move on Him. I miss my teacher, blessed however to listen to his podcast and watch His videos
❤️❣️Yes! The Bible/ Torah is the answer! Thanks Dr. Brown! K.I.S.S.!
These modalism in the Comments are following Flesh rather than the Word of God, they believe the Words of their Leader "Bernard" who interpret scriptures using his finite Mind.
Thank you for this talk.
PIZZAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! So happy you did this video brother
Holy trinity bless u ✝️
JESUS IS GOD!!!
The ancients longed to see it, God declared it, and Jesus himself confirmed it. Anybody denying this Truth is under an illusion and should take a closer look.
Rom. 10:13-14, "for 'whoever will call upon the name of the Lord' will be saved." How then shall they call upon Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him whom they have not heard?" (Paul is speaking of calling upon Jesus. (The phrase "Call upon the name of the Lord" is a quote from Joel 2:32).
Joel 2:32, "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call." (LORD here is YHWH, the name of God as revealed in Exodus 3:14. Therefore, this quote, dealing with God Himself is attributed to Jesus)
I believe this is a major issue regarding faith in our day. Many people are believing the lie that Jesus was simply a glorified man. As Dr Brown correctly state it- he is God and this is why he was given a "name above every other name" and why when he "emptied himself" in the greatest act of humility the world has ever seen, he paid the righteous penalty that frees us who believe! This is a powerful message that saves and gives great strength!!
Dr. Brown, I agree with your teaching that Unitarians are not biblical. The problem with your view is that the Trinity doctrine teaches that Jesus is a "begotten God." You seem to overlook this in your presentation of Jesus is God. Maybe one day we will cross paths. God bless.
The scriptures teach both that Jesus is what his father whom he says sent him is. Also the he is the father's only unique Son. We accept both because the scriptures teach it.
@@MrChemenger
Yes, but scripture does not say "begotten before all ages." Jesus is not "God the Son."
@approvedofGod ok so what do you say scripture says. Who is Jesus. Asking genuinely.
@@MrChemenger
Jesus is God manifest in the flesh (1 Tim 3:16).
Jesus is the first and last (Rev 1).
Jesus is the I Am (John 8).
Jesus is the creator (John 1:10).
Jesus is the everlasting Father (Isaiah 9:6).
You are partly Wrong the Word became the Son of God He or existed as the Word not as the Son Luke 1:33-35 shows why He is called the son. I think the real reason you are grieved is you are not all the way right. God sent His son into the Workd speaks of the birth and Jesus given his life for those who believe He became the Son we have no issue with His preexistance and you all are unable to see why. There is a reason why He was called the Word and not called the Son till later in the verse , John is showing everyone how Jesus is God but not the father. The belief He was always the son simply cannot be true but the belief the Son of God Jesus has always existed is. But as he became flesh shows How God had a son
So according to you JESUS existed as a literal word. as the word apple-??? no such things or idea exist in human existence .
@@c19commander44 the word Apple? What are you talking about that’s his name the WORD it’s in uppercase for a reason and he became the Son b being born in flesh now dependent upon God easy . Son actually means something it’s impossible for me abd you to always been existent at the same time but you are the son
@@c19commander44 so it’s basic English
@@c19commander44 according to scripture He existed as the Word
@@lancelewis3368 - Does it say that JESUS existed as a LITERAL WORD ? JESUS said HE existed before HE became Human.BUT HE never said HE existed as a LITERAL WORD.
or in the mind of GOD as people like you and the watch tower witness preach.
the contradiction here is that on one had people like you and the jw preach that GOD is a spirit.
so if GOD is a spirit as they claim.a spirit has no brain. see the contradiction .
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The “origin” (genesis, Mat 1.1,18) of the Son occurs when God “brought [him] into existence” (gennao, Heb 1:5) in the womb of Mary (Mat 1:20; Luke 1:35). Hence, Paul preached the Son was “made,” I.e., came into existence (genomenon, Gal 4:4) in Mary.
Micah 5 :2 Eternal son
Hebrew 1 : 2
Colossians 1:16
John 1 :3
@@antoinekiwan5832 Matthew 1.1, 18 the "origin" of the Messiah.
Matthew 1.20 he was "procreated"
Luke 1.35 the Son "came into existence"
Hebrews 1:1 God did not speak in a Son
@@thehumanjesus Matthew talk about Jesus as King of Jews and Luke as human and Mark as servant and John as God
Messiah from the beginning ( proveb s 8:23 )
Hebrews 1:2 Eternal son, he didn't speak to fathers not to prophets , word of god as person speak to prophets in old testament , in Hebrews hs said he didn't speak to fathers not prophets
@@cellarphone4299 So the Messiah had two beginnings, two "origin"? I.e., Prov. 8.23 and Mat 1.18
@@thehumanjesus Bro u mix thr humaniy of Jesus with his diety .
His Humanity became Messiah in the holy Baptism but his diety is the Messiah from the beginning
Exodus 29:2 Brushed with olive oil and olive oil mixed in .
Olive oil is the holy spirit.
Mixed in mean he was the Messiah from the beginning
Brushed with mean his humanity beacme Messiah in the holy baptism
In Matthiew 1:18 They said that Jesus The Messiah is born from Mary , they didn't say he became Messiah
His humanity became Messiah in the holy baptism .
Messiah is born from Mary not Created
As I’m sure you’re aware, according to Jewish law if a man divorced his wife that Man could not re-marry the same woman. When God divorced the House of Israel that meant that unless that man would die reconciliation could not happen. Through the death of Jesus he could now reconcile that marriage. That’s why Jesus says that he came for the lost sheep of Israel. With that being said who was Israel married to the father, the son or the Holy Ghost?
You're in error. A man could remarry the same woman he divorced, if the woman wasn't married to another man in the meantime.
Not true sir. We should both look at scripture now and see what it says.
The Lord commanded Hosea to return to his adulterous wife
Trinity(3&1)Genesis ..
Genesis
1:1 In the beginning God(Father).....
1:2 ....the Spirit of God(Holy Spirit)...
1:3 God said (call out/ Spoke/ the Word /Logos /Debra /Memra/Kalam/The Son)...
So Vs 3 is the Son of God? Where?
God SAID let there be light. Are those words a person(Jesus Christ?) No. They're simply words
C'mon man. DNT be a weirdo
The doctrine of eternal sonship of Christ is contradicting psalm 2:7. There can’t be an eternal begotten son. They’re a contradicting terms. The Old Testament never mentions the father, the son or the Holy Spirit. The Old Testament mentions Elohim. One God (one I AM), three different persons. The term son depends on God encarnation.
Modalism spotted woe to you heretics!
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Titles given to the Son who is born in this verse are Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, and The Prince of Peace.
The Son here is clearly called God
Sir you are very confused. First the doctrine of eternal sonship does not contradict Ps. 2 :7. (watch Shamounian explain the term “begotten”).
2nd the OT DOES indeed mention in regard to God in the OT: Father(Isa. 63:16, Ps.89:26, Dt.32:6)Son (Prov. 30:4,Dan. 3:25)and Spirit( Isa. 48:16).
Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Ps.45:7
(A Psalm of David.) The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Ps. 110:1
And last ,the term “son” in regard to Christ has nothing to do with Him being made flesh at a certain point in time. He was called “son” long before He was made flesh (Prov. 30:4, Dan. 3:25, Dan. 7:13).
Jesus = flesh + The Word/Memra/Debra/Logos/kalam.
Jesus =Son of God + flesh.
I suggest that the name WORD used for JESUS by John is just one of the many names JESUS have.
because in Revelation 19:13 says that HIS name is called the WORD.
No living thing is ever said to exist as a literal WORD before that living thing became Human.
And God made us and made us fallible; or as clergy say: made us sinful. Many people do not like to use the word "sinful"; they just say that no one is perfect. Good for them not to use a condemnatory word ; as it is anti-human to be anti-human and which the Bible and clergy are. What the Bible and clergy like to see is that we all turn self-hating and self-condemning. Some of us are onto their schemes and dictatorship. Are the alleged God's commands of more use [or even of any use?] than to have made people he chose proper believers and doers, in the first place. Surely, a God who created the universe and is still keeping it going and changing, can also make proper human beings in his sight. Alas, the clergy could not or did not want to invent such a God; for the fact is, no believer is or can ever be a proper human. So, what to do? Settle on a lame duck God or gods; who does not fulfill prayers; does not forgive sins; does not make so-called his people healthy nor wealthy; nor wise, as clergy or gods promise.
Clergy don't say God "made us sinful." Only a Calvinist -- who, by the way, is in deep error -- would say that.
The problem you end up with is you can’t really know God , when God says you can know God , Jesus says if you can’t believe earthly things how can you believe heavenly things concerning born again , the father is really Father The son is really the only begotten Son that’s what Our Lord claimed . and the clergy says they are smarter than what Lord said and to follow their confusion because they know best . It’s not mystery
Please Mr Brown, contact the truth of God ministries and reach out to pastor Gino Jennings, he always is willing to debate anyone, not to make him look bad,but you said you want truth,please consider it,,look forward to your reply,,thank and God bless you
Monotheism according :-
Muslim 99= 1 Allah (tawheed , unification).
Jewish 10 =1 God (kabalah).
Christian 3=1 God (Trinity, tri 3&1unity).
Sorry but that's not quite right.. its like you say Jesus, Christ, Son of God, and Messiah are 4
Not sure what your issue is with angels giving adoration to a glorified man - the Lamb! 1 Cor 6:3 - "Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!" Heb 2:5 - "For it is not to angels that He has subjected the world to come, about which we are speaking." You speak with incredulity and say "angels singing this to a man, a mortal!" Which highlights the confusion you have. The resurrected exulted Jesus is not a mortal! While I would like to believe this is an oversight, I suspect (having listened intently to how you construct arguments for your position) there is something slightly more deceptive at play. I believe that intellectually you will be aware that the resurrected Christ has gained immortality - but due to this fact detracting from your position, you at best 'unconsciously' and at worse deceptively ride roughshod over the facts to make your point!
You also say "All creation worships the Lamb, meaning that he himself was not created!" Yet in 1 Cor 15:27 we see that God gave all things to be under his feet! (See Psalms 8 for context!) There is no reason to suggest that because God has placed the preeminent one in such a position, that 'he himself was not created'! Again your statement is unsubstantiated and misleading.
As for internal Bible evidence that you can't find for giving a created being that level of adoration, you are seeing it in Rev 5!
For obvious reasons I cannot give a running commentary on everything you say here, but a pattern has been established!
Matthew Avstreih,
Not sure what believers one day judging angels has to do with receiving the immense kind of worship (by myriads and myriads) that only the Father and the Lamb receive in Revelation. Moreover, why does it bother you that the Son is eternal with the Father? The Word of God addresses Him as ‘the Alpha and Omega’, along with the Father as “‘the First and the Last.’ The great I Am is not a small matter, either. But like you I could give a running commentary on what I think your position is and why I love the Trinity.
It’s just impossible for me to see how a mere human being like ourselves (no matter how good) could take the sins of the world upon himself that only the Son of God who was sent from the Father was able to do. Moreover, how does a mere exalted man (or angel) have the ability to change people’s hearts and minds still today through belief in Him linked to the power of His Name? 🤔
@@beholdhisglory1657 Heb 2:5 should suffice! God has subjected the "world to come" to Jesus. The "world to come" includes angels - along with all creation. As subjects of God's Christ is should not be a surprise that they adore, glorify and worship him! This is precisely why God TELLS the angels to do just that (Heb 1:6). [If he were eternally God, why would the angels need to be told to worship him?]
The terminology of 'mere human' is perhaps misleading. Adam was a human, but unlike any other since - but Jesus! You seem to be approaching it from the wrong direction. The Bible clearly teaches that it HAD to be a 'human being like ourselves' - "the man Christ Jesus" - and that is why I find it possible to believe - because the Bible says it! As for today, Jesus works through the spirit of God in hearts and minds.:)
@@matthewavstreih5039 Since Jesus is the proper recipient of prayer demonstrates He is God.
@@fredrolinners8903 speaking to the Christ does not suggest he is God..
@@matthewavstreih5039 Yes, it does.
1 Kings 8:38-39
whatever prayer...is made...then hear in heaven....for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men (NASB)
Only God fully knows the hearts of all so only God is the proper recipient of prayer.
He's identified as the "angel" in Genesis 48?? That's incoherent
Angel , means to represent or Messenger
According to the bible. Jesus is represetive of the father and also a messenger and the messege.
1John says that God was made flesh not God the son. That’s why we can attribute the words of Isaiah to Jesus because he’s God in the flesh. Not sure why you still think that Jesus is eternally the son. God the father did not send God the son to die for humanity. But God himself became flesh and reconciled the world unto himself. Not hard to understand. Jesus Christ IS the perfect manifestation of the one true God of Israel.
Do you believe Jesus is God, but you don’t believe in the trinity right? So basically you believe that Jesus is the Father at the same time he is the son?
The Bible says that the fullness of the Godhead was in Jesus bodily. Jesus is God manifested in the flesh. However in order to be a true sacrifice he also was fully human. So he did human things like praying.
@@jlar1984 john 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known.
@@jlar1984 Matthew 17:1 After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2 There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. 3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus. 5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”
Interesting , @@jlar1984, that you didn't answer the question.
The bottom line is that your heretical modalism is unbiblical. Thus you are NOT worshipping the one True God of the Bible ... and you need to repent.
I wish you would reach out to David K Bernard and debate him. We don’t deny the deity of Christ nor do we believe in the trinity.
only point he's trying point out here is Jesus is divine but he's NOT the Father , but god is a Trinity ,,,,. if you want to see him debate Trinity then watch : Trinity Debate! Dr James White / Dr Michael Brown (part 1) ruclips.net/video/4n08MvgTNBE/видео.html part 2 ruclips.net/video/8tN3fy_FC8U/видео.html
I'm former UPC and can tell you that modalism is a heresy and should be rejected. The entire New Testament is trinitarian, the gospel is trinitarian. God sends his firstborn *into* the world -Hebrews 1:6. The idea is he sent the preexitent Son, eternally begotten from the Father. Read John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time; *the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father,* he hath declared him." This verse shows it was the Son who came forth from God. The Son even says he came *down* from heaven in John 6:41 & 6:51. In fact,, John 16:28 says exactly this! He came forth from God and is going back. This is a complete denial of oneness theology. Jesus' origins are of that from and with God, showing preexistance and he will go back to the Father in his bosom, in complete unity and glory! Philippians 2:6 says Jesus preexisted in the very nature of God before becoming a man and that he was *with* the Father in John 1:1 in eternity past. He became a servant, lower than the angels - Hebrews 2:9 as a sin offering 2 Corinthians 5:21 taking the law and it's requirements and the wrath of God upon himself to satisfy the Fathers judgement on sin Colossians 2:14 & Romans 5:9. He ascended back to the Father's right hand Acts 2:33 where he remains while all his enemies are made his footstool. At the culmination of all things, Jesus hands over the kingdom to God the Father in 1 Corinthians 15:24-28.
Modalism is heresy. But UPC aren’t modalist. We believe the Word = God. That God became flesh. The man Christ Jesus was begotten. Therefore not eternal from the beginning. But was fully human and fully man. He was the mighty God in Christ reconciling the world unto himself.
@@jlar1984 the UPC absolutely embraces modalism. If Jesus was the Father in creation, Son in redemption and Holy Spirit in rejuvenation, what is Jesus now? Is he back to being the Father or Holy Spirit?
@@jlar1984 John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.
None of your points is a contrast to oneness other than saying 3 persons. Oneness believe Jesus is God
Nope if you truly believe Jesus is God you would believe that he was with the Father not he was the Father that became Flesh rather The Word that was God became Flesh
Actually Oneness DON’t believe Jesus is God!!
If that is, by “Jesus” you mean The Son.
When Oneness say “Jesus is God” what they are really saying is: “the Father is God”.
Oneness believe the Father ALONE is God and that the FATHER’s nomiker is “Jesus”.
What Trinitarians mean when they say “Jesus is God” is “The Son is God”.
And they assume everyone means the Son when they say the name “Jesus” but not everyone is talking about the Son when they say the name“Jesus”.
Oneness are sneaky, and Trinitarians can be gullible(hence why God gives us instruction about being wise as serpants but innocent as doves, matt. 10:16).
What Trinitarians call “Jesus” is what Oneness call a “nature”, a special nature that is self aware, has a will distinct from the Father’s will, and that can emote. A “nature” whom SCRIPTURE calls a “self” !!
The Father has a Self the Son doesn't have:
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with👉thine own self👈with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. John 17:5
The Son has a Self the Father doesnt have:
I can of 👉mine own self👈 do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. John 5:30
So also Christ glorified not👉himself👈 to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. Heb.5:5
The Spirit has a Self that listens to another Self to pass us info:
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of 👉himself👈; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. John 16:13
Oneness ppl dont acknowledge this “self” of the Son’s at all other than to call it a “nature” never mind ETERNAL GOD THE SON!!!
Here we come anitchrist heresy that the Apostle John warned about in 1John 4:1-6 ! Beloved believe not every spirit but try the spirits...
Bro you’ve made the same points oneness Pentecostals make to say Jesus is God in the flesh. Not sure why you’re still trinitarian.
David K. Bernard (Oneness) Versus James White (Trinity) Debate ruclips.net/video/gBkKnTYaUCU/видео.html
at what point in the video does he make this comment?
I watched the Tuggy/Brown debate, and watched another video by Brown afterwards. Brown doesn’t know what he believes, but yes, he’s a closet oneness when it comes down to it, he just doesn’t realize it himself.
@@kaitlinjensen he believes the Christian doctrine Trinity Latin: trinus"threefold") which holds that God is one God, but three coeternal consubstantial persons -the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit-as "one God in three Divine Persons". The three Persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature" In this context, a "nature" is what one is, whereas a "person" is who one is.
@@kaitlinjensen he believes that God is one God, but three coeternal consubstantial persons.
-the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit-as "one God in three Divine Persons".
The three Persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature"
In this context, a "nature" is what one is, whereas a "person" is who one is.
Please put up the debate you had with the apostolic folk I got a feeling they did alright against you. Hopefully you didn’t try to tell them they were teaching anti christ they probably totally destroyed you on that point
The Son was not eternal as a separate person.
JESUS made that clear in the gospels. that HE and GOD the father are separate beings.entities. have you read the gospels ?
@@c19commander44 You're saying Jesus and God are separate BEINGS & ENTITIES?? Wow, your position would even be denied by orthodox trinitarians.
@@philos_theos - I am telling you that is what JESUS Himself said.
unless JESUS was schizophrenic (mental disorder,hearing voices)
what you think ?was HE?
I am basing my belief in the BIBLE. not into orthodox Triniterians.
@@c19commander44 You clearly stated that Jesus and God are separate entities and beings. Under no circumstances is that even biblical. You have dipped off into tritheism at that point which is extremely dangerous. You have divided God and have a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of God. Please explain the Godhead based on your understanding.
Mine is clear. There is one God. Numerically one in every sense of the word. Jesus is God manifest in the flesh. He as an authentic human was able to pray to God. Trinitarians have issues with this.
Deut 6:4
Isa 43,44,45 (multiple references here)
Matthew 28:19
John 1:1
Titus 2:13
Phil 2:8
By the way, the religious jews of that day did not hold to your theology of "separate beings.entities". That's heretical.
@@philos_theos John 1:1 proves that JESUS and GOD are not the same ENTITY/BEING.
Just like I and my Father are not the same Entity/Being .
all through the ministry of JESUS HE made it clear that HIM & GOD the father are not the same being ,entity.
do you even read the bible,or are you a muslim? who am i taking to here.
Deuteronomy 6:4 does not use the number 1 but it used ONE, the Hebrew word ECHAD for UNITY .
how can there only be 1 GOD as in number 1-when the apostles and GOD HIMSELF Calls JESUS GOD,Hebrew chapter 1. it has to be GOD as ONE,as in unity.
the belief that GOD ,i am sure you mean god the father was manifested in the flesh.
that belief started over 200 years after JESUS DEATH.
You belief isn ARIANISM
an influential heresy denying the divinity of Christ, originating with the Alexandrian priest Arius ( c. 250- c. 336). Arianism maintained that the Son of God was created by the Father and was therefore neither coeternal with the Father, nor consubstantial.
So if Jesus is God. And God was born from a virgin, why do you all pretend to deny that that makes Mary the mother of God?
I am grieved that Trinitarians dent that the Father is the only true God according to the Lord himself. The word “Only” has lost its meaning to Trinitarians. And it is a blasphemy to have others Gods accompany God the Father.
Does God the father speak without The Word/ Son?
Does God the father speak without The Word/ Son?
@@biblicalmonotheism7591 God spoke, and it came to be, He commanded and it stood firm. Psalm 33.
When you speak, what you speak is another person?
Answer: No
@@peat381low8 ..and the Word became flesh..
John 1:14 New King James Version
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Philip New Geneva Bible and William Tyndall Version have “All things were made by it”. Most English translations had “it”. So...