I loved your comment on leaving them laying against the shop wall and you will eventually need them. There are so many things in my shop that get the response "man, I'm really glad I kept them!"
Wife: the garage is full of junk! We need to clean this place up and get rid of this stuff! Also wife: I have this odd one-off project that requires this random scrap of something Me: I just so happen to have one of those in the garage...
Scott, as a master carpenter and retired project manager, I was so chuckled with regards to round and square pegs on your video. Here in the UK and my native country, Ireland, square pegs are a MUST when you are pouring concrete foundations/slabs, setting levels and above ground profiles for setting out wall and columns. As a veteran construction man for 52 years, I love your videos, very informative and educational. I suppose our whole working life, is an apprenticeship. All the best for 2022 Valentine Shanley, Baldock, England.
When I was starting out in the trades working for a general contractor/mason contractor we did the occasional concrete pour. Usually it was footings, sometimes a small slab. Our stakes were always wood. Sometimes 2x2 or 2x4, more often 1x4 or 5/4x4 or what ever scrap was laying around the yard but always wood. When my wife and I bought our first house, I eventually found a pair of round stakes that the previous owners had left. If I used them more than once, the second time was to play horseshoes.
A couple of years ago, one of my neighbors was complaining about his round stakes, so I told him about your square concrete stakes video, and he has been sold on them ever since, and we went to our local steel supplier and bought 50 feet of 1/2": steel bar and made him a bunch of square steel stakes.
Scott, you are so spot on! I’ve had stakes laying around for years and still find uses for them. You can’t believe all the things they do. Not to long ago I had to dig a few out to secure Christmas ornaments to the frozen ground because they were blowing around. Good job
As soon as I have some money to spend, I'm ordering some. I was gonna get some cheapo ones from amazon earlier this year but ended up using wood stakes I cut from pallet frames. One time use, maybe 2 but they worked for the footer I was doing. I love made in the USA too. I can't wait to spend some money with those guys. It's not gonna be much but it'll be something and I'll be sure to let them know I discovered their business through you. Thanks and God bless you and your wonderful family.
WADS, The way it works with me, I'll order some, they will lean against my shop wall. I'll have a project & remember I bought them special for just such an occasion AFTER I the project is complete. I swear I am the KING of 2020 hindsight. !
I'm from Connecticut. I saw your original video about the stakes pretty much when it was posted, and I was sold then. I went searching for them and was only able to find them from Hogan. The shipping to Connecticut cost about as much as the stakes themselves. But I love them. I'm seeing this video now, and feel validated in buying them from Hogan, as at the time I was sure there had to be a closer source, but got tired of looking.
If you're in Australia I am making these from scratch and selling them, as there is no where to buy them here, and after seeing ECs video I knew these are the pegs I need for my concreting business. Forge hammered points, holes to fit screws not just nails, also epoxy coating them custom colors on request. Going by their website prices mine would be fairly close in price to the hogan pegs, accounting for freight.
Square stakes are just square stock with a couple of features. Very easy to make. Most steel suppliers will sell you a length of square stock to cut up. If you want to get real fancy, you could buy a harder than mild steel, or you could harden whatever you buy a little. Nice project for a beginner for little outlay.
@@Sicktrickintuner i live pretty rural and there's 4 steel suppliers around me. The main city 3 hrs away has dozens. That city being one of the most remote major cities in the world. If you want something, you have to look for it.
Hey Scott, I remember vividly posting a comment, about not being able to find square concrete steaks during your video four years ago. At any rate, now I know where to find them! Thanks…
Just bit the bullet on 20x 18" Hogan domestic square stakes. Always hurts a little to spend, but it feels better knowing you're supporting US manufacturing. Thanks for the recommendation. I'm in my mid-20s and I'll probably have these until I can't work anymore! Will always remember the Craftsman who provided the insight.
Sadly, they're sold out of everything except 12 inch right now. But I'll definitely be purchasing a few of the 24inch when they're back in stock. Now that I know these exist my round stakes just seem so stupid 😄
@@RealMTBAddict there are lots of other reasons to like square stakes which Scott talks about in the original video. The obvious problem with using the top of the stake is then you have to have a steak that is near perfectly perpendicular to the ground. Plus even using the top of a stake that is round is a little annoying
In south central Alaska the ground is highly composed of oversized rock. +3 inch. Many of my proctors are 80 to 90% oversized. As you drive your concrete stakes into the ground they twist. As I tried to use square and rectangular stakes I found most of the time the twisted in such a way that there was no nail hole lining up with a form. It’s all about where you are as to what works best.
I agree with your assessment of the square one will hold a tape better than a round one but golly you looked like the person in the infomercial trying to untangle a water hose that wasn’t rolled up properly to begin with and they end up with the hose around their neck or whatever. Hilarious!!!
Getting ready for the new year writing down goals and along with crypto stuff, I want to learn how to build and fix things. I immediately thought of you sir. I saw your tape measure video years ago and have spent the last 20 minutes looking for your channel. So thankful to have found it again. I have a lot of catching up to do. Just wanted to share my gratitude, happy holidays. Love to you and yours.
couple more features of square stakes. 1) When you step on them on concrete you don't fall on your head. 2) You throw them in your trailer to one side, and when you get home they are still on that side. 3) you put a pile on a table or bench and they don't roll off.
The original video wasn’t silly, it taught us that you knew what you were talking about, and good enough to share your experience with us all. You’ve demonstrated that time and time again over the spec house build and beyond, for which I am very grateful. Happy New Year!
I wish more people my age would appreciate this type content. You sir are always honest, wise, and you always accept other opinions on ways to do things. Thank you
I made a dozen concrete stakes myself from 16mm square steel, after watching the earlier video Nobody sells steel stakes in Europe, so I had no other option The were very useful when I built my workshop last year!
I just saw that too. At least you'll know where to look when things get back to normal again. Hopefully these guys don't go out of business between now and then.
Thanks for the great info always good to have access to the resources and where to find them. So for those who can’t get them or need square stakes now I use a grinder to square off a side or 2 of the round stakes. For forming or framing it’s plenty accurate and not expensive maybe a few min of your time and a grinding wheel or two.
Also you can use box iron and drop a threaded bar through the centre and tac weld it to get these stakes, or you can just use timber like normal people
EC my deepest thanks to you and yours for your insight, wisdom and humor over the years. This time of a year "a young man" reflects and looks forward. As you do, and reach back to the well you know, let the kids run. You won't like it, as you shouldn't! But, the world is changing rapidly. It's in their hands now and as much as we scream it's to no avail. Trusting God and loving others is are charge now. Thank you sir. Peace.
We use these almost daily for deck and fence layouts as the square sides make it great for measurement and getting an accurate line set on the correct side of the steak
I purchased mine from White Cap. I own a Excvation company and use them for layout all the time! The only problem I have is keeping the General Contactors from taking off with my stakes. Hello from Wyoming!
😂 I am totally with you, square stakes are the best, and I have some in the garden holding up some… _temporary_ border boards ;) Just giggling at myself for in this video you are an adorable mix of, in very equal parts, drug pusher, best uncle and insurance salesman. I raise a stake to you!
I probably will never use much of your content but I like the way you explain everything and I have learned some things that are Interesting. Thank you.
I'm from the old school been at this concert gig since I was able to crawl and I Love essential craftsman channel even with 40 years in the trade I pick up tons of knowledge when I came up only concrete stakes I ever knew we're the skinny flat ones about like a wood stake and them square easy to bend things that you love so much I discovered a round stake in my late teens and I admit it now that Dad is pouring mud with some higher purpose I made them square no driving u turn devil toys into the footing backfill in the 3 or 4 more foundations until not a single one was left and what happens a highway crew left thousands behind and some "friend" that worked the blade for the county loaded them up and brought them to my Dad Keep smiling all you can do God made me as strong as his design of a cylinder with no one can argue the superiority over square
Scott, I re-watched the square stake video and I agree with you; square stakes are far superior! I wish I knew they existed before I bought my assortment of round stakes. Happy New Year to you and Kelly and your magnificent family. Steve & Lesley-
I went out to plow last night and had to hook up the skid steer to the box but the quicktach wasn’t locked up. Luckily I had a few steel pins and a hammer in my truck and got it done!
Thanks for the source. Ive been looking for these square stakes since the last video. ive considered making them but havnt got that serious yet. ive got a spec house coming up and im trying to decide if i want to hire a few day rate guys for the slab or a crew. ive got an excavator for the footers and pier drilling equipment. these square stakes will be nice.
Wonderful to know of this source however they don’t have any either “due to steel shortage.” Maybe some day I will get some but fortunately don’t need it now on the frozen East coast.
Interesting topic. I see the need for square stakes, but the reality is you will be measuring from where strings cross rather than the stakes themselves, most of the time. I suppose you could drop a square stake over a rebar for a rough distance... OR... measure from the head, which may or may not be straight if round or square. (may not be plumb) If the stake is holding concrete forms, then you will measure from the 2x wood anyway, not the stake.
I have lived in SoCal all my 54 years and we always use 1/2” x 1 1/2” steel stakes but I haven’t seen any RUclipsrs use them. Are they that unusual in the rest of the world?
Once again oh silver haired wizard, you come through for us! I Have a few old, old square stakes who's plumb has long been questionable. Now, you to the rescue. I don't have to pull out numerous splinters from using wooden stakes to the relief of a mysterious neighbor I only see every fortnight. Seriously, thanks for the heads up. Your tips are of great value. What's the status of the house? I presume you sold it. Please advise, we're all interested.
I remember as a kid, my uncle did concrete work and had PILES of the 3/8x1.25" stakes... hundreds of them Im betting 50 of each size up to three feet. .. given the geography, Im betting they were Hogans too.. Fast forward to today, I could sure use a few dozen in various sizes.
They are totally not available in the UK. I purchased some 10mm bar and made my own, 900mm, 1200mm and even 4 at 1600mm. Carry them in my van and they become more useful the more you use them. Only problem here is that it's mighty difficult to buy duplex nails
I loved your comment on leaving them laying against the shop wall and you will eventually need them. There are so many things in my shop that get the response "man, I'm really glad I kept them!"
I believe this will always be true for those who work with their hands.
My goodness yes, I moved across country with my home shop and had to leave many of these kinds of materials behind. I’m already missing them.
Wife: the garage is full of junk! We need to clean this place up and get rid of this stuff!
Also wife: I have this odd one-off project that requires this random scrap of something
Me: I just so happen to have one of those in the garage...
Thank you for another year of great content, your videos are always educational and fun to watch. Be safe, See you next year!!!
Scott, as a master carpenter and retired project manager, I was so chuckled with regards to round and square pegs on your video.
Here in the UK and my native country, Ireland, square pegs are a MUST when you are pouring concrete foundations/slabs, setting levels and above ground profiles for setting out wall and columns.
As a veteran construction man for 52 years, I love your videos, very informative and educational.
I suppose our whole working life, is an apprenticeship.
All the best for 2022
Valentine Shanley, Baldock, England.
UK also have Electrical plug with square pins and i like them because they make a good grip in sockets.
Where do you buy square stakes in the UK
When I was starting out in the trades working for a general contractor/mason contractor we did the occasional concrete pour. Usually it was footings, sometimes a small slab. Our stakes were always wood. Sometimes 2x2 or 2x4, more often 1x4 or 5/4x4 or what ever scrap was laying around the yard but always wood. When my wife and I bought our first house, I eventually found a pair of round stakes that the previous owners had left. If I used them more than once, the second time was to play horseshoes.
A couple of years ago, one of my neighbors was complaining about his round stakes, so I told him about your square concrete stakes video, and he has been sold on them ever since, and we went to our local steel supplier and bought 50 feet of 1/2": steel bar and made him a bunch of square steel stakes.
Scott, you are so spot on! I’ve had stakes laying around for years and still find uses for them. You can’t believe all the things they do. Not to long ago I had to dig a few out to secure Christmas ornaments to the frozen ground because they were blowing around. Good job
As soon as I have some money to spend, I'm ordering some. I was gonna get some cheapo ones from amazon earlier this year but ended up using wood stakes I cut from pallet frames. One time use, maybe 2 but they worked for the footer I was doing. I love made in the USA too. I can't wait to spend some money with those guys. It's not gonna be much but it'll be something and I'll be sure to let them know I discovered their business through you. Thanks and God bless you and your wonderful family.
WADS,
The way it works with me, I'll order some, they will lean
against my shop wall. I'll have a project & remember I
bought them special for just such an occasion AFTER
I the project is complete. I swear I am the KING of 2020
hindsight.
!
I loved the spec house series, but I'm SOOOOO glad that some videos are circling back to the shop and to the essence before spec house
I'm from Connecticut. I saw your original video about the stakes pretty much when it was posted, and I was sold then. I went searching for them and was only able to find them from Hogan. The shipping to Connecticut cost about as much as the stakes themselves. But I love them. I'm seeing this video now, and feel validated in buying them from Hogan, as at the time I was sure there had to be a closer source, but got tired of looking.
If you're in Australia I am making these from scratch and selling them, as there is no where to buy them here, and after seeing ECs video I knew these are the pegs I need for my concreting business. Forge hammered points, holes to fit screws not just nails, also epoxy coating them custom colors on request. Going by their website prices mine would be fairly close in price to the hogan pegs, accounting for freight.
Square stakes are just square stock with a couple of features.
Very easy to make.
Most steel suppliers will sell you a length of square stock to cut up.
If you want to get real fancy, you could buy a harder than mild steel, or you could harden whatever you buy a little.
Nice project for a beginner for little outlay.
Yep, everyone seems to have metal supermarkets near them also to buy from
With hogan's shipping cost being almost as much as the stakes to get them to Georgia, I'll make my own
@@Sicktrickintuner i live pretty rural and there's 4 steel suppliers around me. The main city 3 hrs away has dozens. That city being one of the most remote major cities in the world.
If you want something, you have to look for it.
Hey Scott, I remember vividly posting a comment, about not being able to find square concrete steaks during your video four years ago. At any rate, now I know where to find them! Thanks…
Just bit the bullet on 20x 18" Hogan domestic square stakes. Always hurts a little to spend, but it feels better knowing you're supporting US manufacturing. Thanks for the recommendation. I'm in my mid-20s and I'll probably have these until I can't work anymore! Will always remember the Craftsman who provided the insight.
Good idea for the folks at Hogan. The “EC” sample pack. 4@18”, 4@24”, 4@36”. Offer that and sell thru a link on the channel.
Sweet!! Of course, I just bought a bunch of round stakes for my foundation. But I’ll definitely have to look into these!
Use a flathead nail works way better… that’s what the slot in the end of the tape is for 👍
@@RealMTBAddict lmao, how many times you gonna comment the same crap on the same video? Get a life
@@RealMTBAddict disrespecting women is a real quality way to make an argument
Sadly, they're sold out of everything except 12 inch right now.
But I'll definitely be purchasing a few of the 24inch when they're back in stock.
Now that I know these exist my round stakes just seem so stupid 😄
@@RealMTBAddict there are lots of other reasons to like square stakes which Scott talks about in the original video.
The obvious problem with using the top of the stake is then you have to have a steak that is near perfectly perpendicular to the ground. Plus even using the top of a stake that is round is a little annoying
Not sold out when I looked. 5/8” square nail stake 2’
$94 for 10 with shipping.
@@Mrcaffinebean pus they get mushroomed at the top from pounding on them, unless you grind them off they could add 1/4 to 1/2 inch.
In south central Alaska the ground is highly composed of oversized rock. +3 inch. Many of my proctors are 80 to 90% oversized. As you drive your concrete stakes into the ground they twist. As I tried to use square and rectangular stakes I found most of the time the twisted in such a way that there was no nail hole lining up with a form. It’s all about where you are as to what works best.
That’s how a commercial is made! Well done.
Nice...... a wee EC video to brighten up the lull between Christmas and New Year........ 😃
I agree with your assessment of the square one will hold a tape better than a round one but golly you looked like the person in the infomercial trying to untangle a water hose that wasn’t rolled up properly to begin with and they end up with the hose around their neck or whatever. Hilarious!!!
you never need them until well!! you need them lol happy Hogmanay to all the EC clan
Getting ready for the new year writing down goals and along with crypto stuff, I want to learn how to build and fix things. I immediately thought of you sir. I saw your tape measure video years ago and have spent the last 20 minutes looking for your channel. So thankful to have found it again. I have a lot of catching up to do. Just wanted to share my gratitude, happy holidays. Love to you and yours.
couple more features of square stakes. 1) When you step on them on concrete you don't fall on your head. 2) You throw them in your trailer to one side, and when you get home they are still on that side. 3) you put a pile on a table or bench and they don't roll off.
The original video wasn’t silly, it taught us that you knew what you were talking about, and good enough to share your experience with us all. You’ve demonstrated that time and time again over the spec house build and beyond, for which I am very grateful. Happy New Year!
I wish more people my age would appreciate this type content. You sir are always honest, wise, and you always accept other opinions on ways to do things. Thank you
I always hooked my round stakes on the top. If you need a roller bam grab steaks.
I made a dozen concrete stakes myself from 16mm square steel, after watching the earlier video
Nobody sells steel stakes in Europe, so I had no other option
The were very useful when I built my workshop last year!
I would like to see a video on making them. I have thought about it, but didn't know the dimensions and hole spacing or layout.
They are out of stock on all but the 12” because of “steel shortages”.
Sounds like "coin shortages."
I just saw that too. At least you'll know where to look when things get back to normal again. Hopefully these guys don't go out of business between now and then.
I have a pending order for 10 stakes.
They will ship in three weeks.
Pittsburgh needs to get back to work lolz.
Thanks for the great info always good to have access to the resources and where to find them. So for those who can’t get them or need square stakes now I use a grinder to square off a side or 2 of the round stakes. For forming or framing it’s plenty accurate and not expensive maybe a few min of your time and a grinding wheel or two.
Square stakes are Really useful
Thank you for the source! Great content as always!
I glue a magnet on my steel tap to hold it and add the depth of the magnet. I use it on metal studs also.
You are a good man and GREAT American! May God Bless you and your family.... generation after generation!
Also you can use box iron and drop a threaded bar through the centre and tac weld it to get these stakes, or you can just use timber like normal people
EC my deepest thanks to you and yours for your insight, wisdom and humor over the years. This time of a year "a young man" reflects and looks forward. As you do, and reach back to the well you know, let the kids run. You won't like it, as you shouldn't! But, the world is changing rapidly. It's in their hands now and as much as we scream it's to no avail. Trusting God and loving others is are charge now. Thank you sir. Peace.
Thanks for the quick video on the stakes. They have many uses for sure.
We use these almost daily for deck and fence layouts as the square sides make it great for measurement and getting an accurate line set on the correct side of the steak
I purchased mine from White Cap. I own a Excvation company and use them for layout all the time! The only problem I have is keeping the General Contactors from taking off with my stakes. Hello from Wyoming!
😂 I am totally with you, square stakes are the best, and I have some in the garden holding up some… _temporary_ border boards ;)
Just giggling at myself for in this video you are an adorable mix of, in very equal parts, drug pusher, best uncle and insurance salesman.
I raise a stake to you!
I probably will never use much of your content but I like the way you explain everything and I have learned some things that are Interesting.
Thank you.
Happy holidays E.C.
I'm from the old school been at this concert gig since I was able to crawl and I Love essential craftsman channel even with 40 years in the trade I pick up tons of knowledge when I came up only concrete stakes I ever knew we're the skinny flat ones about like a wood stake and them square easy to bend things that you love so much I discovered a round stake in my late teens and I admit it now that Dad is pouring mud with some higher purpose I made them square no driving u turn devil toys into the footing backfill in the 3 or 4 more foundations until not a single one was left and what happens a highway crew left thousands behind and some "friend" that worked the blade for the county loaded them up and brought them to my Dad
Keep smiling all you can do God made me as strong as his design of a cylinder with no one can argue the superiority over square
Had that problem of not being able to find them in Toronto Canada. Ended up buying round ones.
Scott, I re-watched the square stake video and I agree with you; square stakes are far superior! I wish I knew they existed before I bought my assortment of round stakes.
Happy New Year to you and Kelly and your magnificent family. Steve & Lesley-
I went out to plow last night and had to hook up the skid steer to the box but the quicktach wasn’t locked up. Luckily I had a few steel pins and a hammer in my truck and got it done!
We got a company in Mississippi that makes them. So Hogan is not the only one.
This guy is amazing for ads.
Best commercial ever. I'll never need this, but i'm still inclined to buy.
Thank EC! Never even thought of that , but just so happens I have a couple of projects around the corner.
Thank you so much!!!! I would've never known about these and there made in the best country in the world!!!! Perfect!!!!!
I asked this question in the 20 videos after the square stake battle video.
Great update video! Sadly shipping will be more than the cost of the stakes.
Some of the best content on the internet. Thanks for the good work.
Due to shortages of steel, we are out of stock for 18in - 60in square nail stakes. We have some stock of 12in square nail stakes.
Out of curiosity, are concrete stakes hardened or are they made from regular mild steel?
Happy New Year...
Love the company is USA based down in SoCal!
This coming from the guy that quoted, Marcus Aurelius. Merry Christmas and the best of the season.
Square Concrete Stakes was the first video I watched on your channel.
Natural advert! Thanks for 2021
I cut up old "T" posts for outdoor layout work. Works well on the cheap.
Good idea!
Dream come through. Been looking for these for years! Gah damn!
Absolutely agree with all you present on this video.
Thanks for the source. Ive been looking for these square stakes since the last video. ive considered making them but havnt got that serious yet. ive got a spec house coming up and im trying to decide if i want to hire a few day rate guys for the slab or a crew. ive got an excavator for the footers and pier drilling equipment. these square stakes will be nice.
Wonderful to know of this source however they don’t have any either “due to steel shortage.” Maybe some day I will get some but fortunately don’t need it now on the frozen East coast.
You bet!
We always used a nail!, who know of square stakes,I'm no longer in the game but imma get some
Awesome, thank you. I just so happen to have a project I'm starting in the spring that will put those to good use. 👍
Thanks!
If my grandpa which was farmer&construction worker lived long enough to see me grow and he turned out to be just like you, I’d be very proud.
Another infomercial. Great...
Interesting topic. I see the need for square stakes, but the reality is you will be measuring from where strings cross rather than the stakes themselves, most of the time. I suppose you could drop a square stake over a rebar for a rough distance... OR... measure from the head, which may or may not be straight if round or square. (may not be plumb) If the stake is holding concrete forms, then you will measure from the 2x wood anyway, not the stake.
I have lived in SoCal all my 54 years and we always use 1/2” x 1 1/2” steel stakes but I haven’t seen any RUclipsrs use them. Are they that unusual in the rest of the world?
Absolutely , just when you need them you have them
Next time I go campin' with the boys, I'M gunna pin my tent down with a set of 'em 16 inchers.
A better brand of batter board makes a batter board better? (For my Midwesties)
A piece of angle iron works well.
I don’t do concrete or live in North America, but I want some square pegs now. Must be a man thing 🤦🏻♂️
Yeah. They're much more useful than a video game.
😂👍
I have about dozen I- Bean stakes that I’ve had for 40 + years. They are also indestructible.
Good quality stakes, bought a bunch of this brand at whitecap
Once again oh silver haired wizard, you come through for us! I Have a few old, old square stakes who's plumb has long been questionable. Now, you to the rescue. I don't have to pull out numerous splinters from using wooden stakes to the relief of a mysterious neighbor I only see every fortnight.
Seriously, thanks for the heads up. Your tips are of great value. What's the status of the house? I presume you sold it. Please advise, we're all interested.
I remember as a kid, my uncle did concrete work and had PILES of the 3/8x1.25" stakes... hundreds of them Im betting 50 of each size up to three feet. .. given the geography, Im betting they were Hogans too.. Fast forward to today, I could sure use a few dozen in various sizes.
I prefer my steaks medium rare.
Always love to hear your wisdom!
I'm here!
Hello!
We always just took 20' lengths of square stock and sheared or cut it to the lengths we needed.
That's not the same as a purpose made stake though. Unless you get a harder steel to make them with.
Have you ever used rectanglular stakes?
I didn't know concrete stakes came looking that clean; I just figured they came pre-rusted/dented.
You forgot bent and mushroomed...
You pay extra for that distressed look.
@@pamelah6431 ahhh... like the holey jeans. 😁
That is so true what you say there.....mind you, I would not like to pay for shipping those suckers down under!
in England it's harder to find round stakes than square ones
I can build them from square stock. Super easy to do
Ah… 😂 and then you have shop complete filled up with tools you mite need that famous future Saturday (I do 😂😂)
Just gotta get concrete builders supply (local) to carry them
They are totally not available in the UK. I purchased some 10mm bar and made my own, 900mm, 1200mm and even 4 at 1600mm. Carry them in my van and they become more useful the more you use them. Only problem here is that it's mighty difficult to buy duplex nails
If you were to have a choice to purchase one square hogan stake what size and length would you recommend?
The only steaks I worry about now is the ones on my dinner plate. Happy New Year
With over 1.2 million subs I'm thinking hogan's might be getting at least a few orders.
We used the flat stakes for kickers.
@@RealMTBAddict ok
Hi pipefitter here measure the edges of the round object and not the centers.