Did a Deadly Plague Destroy Neolithic Europe?

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  • @DanDavisHistory
    @DanDavisHistory  3 года назад +209

    If you enjoy the video please hit "like" as it really helps me out! Let me know what other Neolithic and Bronze Age subjects you would like covered.
    Here are links to the other videos I referenced:
    Cucuteni-Trypillia culture: ruclips.net/video/Bk2Qbf1YQbI/видео.html
    Neolithic Britain: ruclips.net/video/ZuZLxWvv5vg/видео.html
    Funnelbeaker culture: ruclips.net/video/iJYvhf0VVi0/видео.html
    Pitted Ware culture: ruclips.net/video/_rspqObP2yg/видео.html
    The First Horse Riders: ruclips.net/video/AMHqp0M0T4Q/видео.html
    Neolithic playlist: ruclips.net/p/PLUyGT3KDxwC-oYx5RJYcGU5Qg9Z2ypjbS
    Bronze Age playlist: ruclips.net/video/GalZLoTeU74/видео.html

    • @pasquinomarforio
      @pasquinomarforio 3 года назад +11

      You should be teaching ancient history at Oxford. Seriously. Your hypotheses are absolutely brilliant. Your dissertations are precise, well referenced, and should be part of mainstream scholarship debate. Well done !!!

    • @christophercripps7639
      @christophercripps7639 3 года назад +3

      As always good job. Bronze Age subjects? Just about any cutting edge topic on the steppe cultures or the "Hittites" & the related Luwians. Where the bleep did they come from? PIE speakers suddenly appear in the historical record ca 19 c BCE amongst speakers of nonPUE languages or so & a few centuries later they are sacking cities & carrying off the others' gods (idols).

    • @chrisbricky7331
      @chrisbricky7331 3 года назад +3

      Well done and thanks for doing all this hard work. Chris

    • @chrisbricky7331
      @chrisbricky7331 3 года назад +5

      I would be really interested on your take of the North American Clovis Point neolithic culture and how it is related or if it is related to Europeans? My understanding after all these years and my hypothesis is the Clovis spear points seem to be related and a direct technological progression from European stone age spear points and archaeology in some cases seems to point out that the spear point technology spread from East to West in North America, counter to the Siberian migration theory. I hypothesize that a European culture crossed during an ice age by moving along the Ice sheets and from island to island across the North Atlantic while the sea levels were lower. Then got mostly wiped out when the Comets hit the ice sheets in Canada. There was a discovery of a very old burial ground or mass grave off the coast of Florida with European DNA that dates to just after the Ice Age ended. This also coincides with the loss of the great ice age beasts across North America. Would love for you to tackle this topic. I always want to expand my knowledge or at least compare it to others so I can reassess my structure of thinking in regards to the old standard paradigms. Thanks, Chris

    • @DanDavisHistory
      @DanDavisHistory  3 года назад +4

      @@christophercripps7639 yes I am fascinated by that period, by the Hittites and Luwians. I will be researching it in detail in future but not for a while yet.

  • @TheRealRusDaddy
    @TheRealRusDaddy 3 года назад +386

    My friend was telling me about this old medieval french lemonade made with oranges recipe that he found and was talking about how the sheer amount of people in the french county that made most of the lemonade survived better then most of europe because they constantly threw the lemon and orange peels all over but the lemon peels drives off the bugs because of the citric acid or some such sciency reason

    • @lunettasuziejewel2080
      @lunettasuziejewel2080 3 года назад +66

      Citric acid is indeed antibacterial; as is vinegar; they are common in DIY household cleaners (and even in hospitals...I work in an ER and we've used citric acid-soaked cleaning wipes).
      I clean my reptiles' cages and rinse fruit & vegetables with a water-vinegar mix I keep in a spray bottle. You can also add vinegar or lemon juice to laundry during the second rinse, and de-grease your appliances with them. AND vinegar can replace eggs in some baked goods recipes without affecting the taste.
      Citric acid and vinegar are basically magic, is what I'm saying.

    • @alessandrogini5283
      @alessandrogini5283 3 года назад +1

      @@lunettasuziejewel2080 do you have medical knowledge?

    • @lunettasuziejewel2080
      @lunettasuziejewel2080 3 года назад +32

      @@alessandrogini5283 Some! I've absorbed quite a bit from the ER (I'm in an admin position, but I have patient contact/work alongside the clinical staff). I'm a licensed massage therapist, which in my state requires study of anatomy/physiology/kinesiology/pathology...we used to joke that the year it takes to get your first certification was like your first year of med school.
      And, unfortunately, I also live with OCD, and for awhile there I was absolutely petrified of spreading diseases and allergens. So I did a lot of research for a lot of hours about cleaning agents. The OCD is under control now, thank God, but I do still retain a lot of the information I found then 🤗

    • @alessandrogini5283
      @alessandrogini5283 3 года назад +2

      @@lunettasuziejewel2080 what is OCD?

    • @s.clairegreen9577
      @s.clairegreen9577 2 года назад +8

      @@lunettasuziejewel2080 I agree with the addition of acidic solutions in cleaning for sure. It's also possible that the benefits of citric in particular include fighting off scurvy. The acids also act as natural food preservatives (think ceviche). I'm also a big advocate of apple cider vinegar (ACV) with live cultures, such as "Braggs" with "The Mother", just 'magical' for sure!! 🤩

  • @OrNaurItsKat
    @OrNaurItsKat 3 года назад +277

    Praise be to the algorithm that has blessed us with this recommendation

    • @V43xV1CT15
      @V43xV1CT15 3 года назад +2

      Yep same, damn RUclips hiding this stuff from me even when I search for it

    • @lizc6393
      @lizc6393 3 года назад +3

      Amen! This channel is freaking phenomenal.

    • @gfamily1943
      @gfamily1943 3 года назад +1

      Lol yesssss

    • @zac2780
      @zac2780 3 года назад +2

      Shame for not being subscribed!

    • @sacagawea9743
      @sacagawea9743 3 года назад

      Same algorithms that brain wash people 🙄 subscribe

  • @bateman2112
    @bateman2112 3 года назад +255

    One of the hardest things to do as a historian is keeping the present day from coloring interpretation of poorly/not recorded events/behaviors. I've only met a handful of historians that can even sort of manage it.
    Unfortunately the stronger your intrests/concerns the more they'll leak in. That, coupled with most of us having a latent desire to not be wrong, leads to some really stupid conflicts in the field.
    I applaud this video as it manages to present the few facts available and presents possible explanations without backing one or two explanations as fact.

    • @The_InfantMalePollockFrancis
      @The_InfantMalePollockFrancis 3 года назад +6

      Confirmation Bias

    • @bateman2112
      @bateman2112 3 года назад +3

      @@loturzelrestaurant please speak with your psychiatrist about upping your dosage.

    • @Blalack77
      @Blalack77 3 года назад +3

      I was thinking about that exact aspect but I couldn't think of a good way to word it. I was thinking that being able to see your own biases and influences of your own time would be difficult because it's such a subtle thing. I'm having trouble wording a lot of things lately - I'm wondering if I have the plague of our time and it's making my mind foggy lol...

    • @PeterGregoryKelly
      @PeterGregoryKelly 3 года назад +2

      In examining collapse of civilisations the simple answer is that nothing lasts forever, including empires. Every empire in history has believed itself to be immortal. Hubris as denial of death. A lesson for the American Empire too and our present civilisation. Another dark age will come because nothing lasts forever.

    • @FuckingFuckShitBitch
      @FuckingFuckShitBitch 3 года назад

      @@loturzelrestaurant that's all well and good, and I wish joy upon you as well. However, you do know 'lol random' isn't a personality?

  • @simeongrk486
    @simeongrk486 3 года назад +317

    This is really , really good channel. I hope you reach million subs not just because you deserve it but because people also deserve this kind of videos and knowledge. Sorry for broken english, greetings from Serbia. : )

    • @DanDavisHistory
      @DanDavisHistory  3 года назад +26

      Thank you so much. Your English is excellent.

    • @eacalvert
      @eacalvert 3 года назад +4

      I agree ❤️

    • @billyray3565
      @billyray3565 3 года назад +1

      I hope you get 1 million trillion likes. Not because you deserve it but because that would be funny and low key ironic.

    • @18Ty
      @18Ty 3 года назад +1

      @@DanDavisHistory let's see if you remember us when your swimming in that RUclips money💸

    • @kimberlyperrotis8962
      @kimberlyperrotis8962 3 года назад +4

      Your English is nearly perfect, just add the necessary articles and you’re there. So, add “a” before really and million, and “the” before broken. This is one of the odd features of English, frequently using the definite (the) and indefinite (a) articles, most languages don’t have this.

  • @whatsaguygottado2669
    @whatsaguygottado2669 3 года назад +223

    All it takes is a breakout of something as simple as "bed bugs" to make you want to burn-down your house.....

    • @sophiawilson8696
      @sophiawilson8696 3 года назад +3

      The best treatment heat put clothing in dryer and if it winter put things outside. Heat and Cold kills Bed bugs.

    • @billbrown1335
      @billbrown1335 3 года назад

      😂

    • @skidelrymar
      @skidelrymar 3 года назад +4

      4 years i have bugs in my bed and i don't know what to do. last winter i bought a steam cleaner and i could get rid of the bugs. in the summer is not so simple, i have to steam the bed 2-3 times a week. sometimes i can't sleep

    • @bbsbbsairsoft4841
      @bbsbbsairsoft4841 3 года назад +3

      @@erdelegy how bad was that electric bill? I'm sure it was a lot better than bed bugs though.

    • @tenshi.kurama
      @tenshi.kurama 3 года назад +2

      You do need to heat your entire home, either exterminator or self but I suffered them for a year trying all kinds of ways and finally had to give in and pay the pest control their charge. Got em again and they only got into one room for a few days, called exterminators and it was much less as they only had to treat my room. Once I found out where I was picking them up from I refused to go back. The fist one came from an unhygienic visitor of my roommates whome I refused to let back on the property through threat of trespassing. The second was one of my job sites that has since been cleansed of bugs

  • @annab.5724
    @annab.5724 3 года назад +66

    RUclips recommended this video to me while watching a popular history video so, hopefully that means you’ll be seeing an influx of subscribers! You deserve them with how fascinating and thoroughly researched your subjects are. Thank you for your hard work and, if it’s any encouragement, you have at least one new sub now.

  • @perceivedvelocity9914
    @perceivedvelocity9914 3 года назад +43

    As a kid I watched the Stephen King's "The Stand". (The 1994 TV miniseries). I was way too young for it. Man, that story terrified me. It looks like this discovery could easily be turned into a ancient version of that story.

  • @anthonyappleyard5688
    @anthonyappleyard5688 3 года назад +65

    The "Western Steppe Herders like the Yamnaya and related groups" :: were they the people who brought the Common Indo-European language into Europe?

  • @kauaichan
    @kauaichan 3 года назад +43

    I honestly wish more authors would do this, can you imagine all the information they've gathered? Storytelling is a practice as old as humans themselves, they are our teachers who devoted themselves to preserving and retelling stories. Sure it may not all be that way in 2021, but videos and channels like this I feel give homage to that concept 💯💕
    Side note: I have not heard of this author or his works, this randomly popped up in my feed. I'm glad it did tho, I'm now very curious to explore his novels!

  • @manzelli1981
    @manzelli1981 3 года назад +10

    It was probably mentioned earlier, but your point on current events influencing historiography of an ancient culture was so well put. Just like now, events unfolded thousands of years ago in the ways they did because of multiple reasons. Thank you for calling that out, because it’s such an easy trap to fall into when we analyze the past.

  • @brandondavidson4085
    @brandondavidson4085 3 года назад +10

    The Trypillia people burning their houses down to sanitize their communities of pests and diseases is fascinating.
    Reminds me of how the Romani people religiously took baths with running water.
    Sometimes we just kind of stumbled on the right answers to staying healthy.

  • @israelguerra8827
    @israelguerra8827 3 года назад +26

    It’s always intrigued me how a plague usually plays a large part in the fall of kingdoms and cultures. The Spanish Conquest of the Americas had Smallpox. Thank you for bringing to light what a huge role Pestis has played in steering our course 🙏🏽

  • @staytuned2L337
    @staytuned2L337 3 года назад +14

    Thing I like most about this is that you're getting in to the stuff behind your stuff. I always appreciate these kinda videos. Well done, Dan!

  • @francessimmonds5784
    @francessimmonds5784 3 года назад +27

    Black Death linked to the end of serfdom..."it's got a lot to answer for" makes it sound like the end of serfdom was a bad thing.

    • @dnomyarnostaw
      @dnomyarnostaw 3 года назад +15

      It reminded me of the famous Douglas Adams quote
      "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move."

    • @magiv4205
      @magiv4205 3 года назад +1

      @@dnomyarnostaw I thought the exact same thing lmao

    • @sephikong8323
      @sephikong8323 3 года назад +3

      Technically, the end of serfdom in Western Europe was kind of a bad thing for Eastern Europe ..... or rather a bad thing for it's peasants but an excellent news for the nobility. Basically, a lot of western Europe had a sudden need for agricultural goods as the social mobility increased and that meant that Eastern Europe (basically just Poland and Russia) had a strengthening of their own serfdom during the early modern era to cover for this need and make some big bank (and considering that Poland was prior to that one of the freest countries, that was a downgrade, granted it was way less harsh than in Russia, but the russian serfs already had it bad to begin with, it just became worse).
      So it depends from your perspective really

    • @josephhenry9924
      @josephhenry9924 3 года назад

      The Black Death put an end to the crusades/put an end to high rents and low wages. For a couple of generations at least Pre plague Europe/ Eurasia was overpop[ulated . It took 200 years for the population to recover to the pre plague levels. Enough said. .

    • @dnomyarnostaw
      @dnomyarnostaw 3 года назад +2

      ​@@josephhenry9924 A bit of revisionist History huh?
      The great European Plague started 1347 , in ended around the 1350's.
      The great plague of London was around 1346 to 1352.
      The Crusades predated (about 1150) , and went waaayy past 1352 ..
      "16th century .... The Habsburgs, French, Spanish and Venetians and Ottomans all signed treaties. Francis I of France allied with all quarters, including from German Protestant princes and Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent ... The Habsburgs, French, Spanish and Venetians and Ottomans all signed treaties. Francis I of France allied with all quarters, including from German Protestant princes and Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent... Anti-Christian crusading declined in the 15th century, the exceptions were the six failed crusades against the religiously radical Hussites in Bohemia and attacks on the Waldensians in Savoy"

  • @jelkel25
    @jelkel25 3 года назад +17

    Yes, and one catastrophy often had a domino effect, plague caused famine, famine caused toppling of elites, conflict and the end of established religions/societal bonds.

    • @DanDavisHistory
      @DanDavisHistory  3 года назад +5

      You're absolutely right.

    • @hillockfarm8404
      @hillockfarm8404 3 года назад +2

      From what i understand, the malnutrition/famine causes a weak immunesystem that makes people more suseptible to disease so it spread easier. And failed harvests may also cause migration of large(r) groups of people, which would also spread diseases.

    • @mikitz
      @mikitz 3 года назад +1

      Usually, wide-spread hunger is the worst thing that could happen to any ruler.

  • @NeuroEverything
    @NeuroEverything 3 года назад +4

    As a fellow RUclipsr, I just wanted to say.. WELL DONE ON FITTING IN SO MANY CTAs 👏🏽 👏🏽 👏🏽

  • @edwardealdseaxe5253
    @edwardealdseaxe5253 3 года назад +34

    Fascinating as usual. The reality of these variations of the bubonic plague makes our current situation seem pale in comparison.

    • @DanDavisHistory
      @DanDavisHistory  3 года назад +2

      Thank you.

    • @Pynaegan
      @Pynaegan 3 года назад +5

      Our "current situation" isn't a significant cause for concern. 😒

    • @edwardealdseaxe5253
      @edwardealdseaxe5253 3 года назад +3

      @@Pynaegan it's just an opinion you don't have to choke on it

    • @WWZenaDo
      @WWZenaDo 3 года назад +3

      That's assuming no highly virulent variations evolve....

    • @edwardealdseaxe5253
      @edwardealdseaxe5253 3 года назад +1

      @@WWZenaDo Yes naturally.

  • @GriffinParke
    @GriffinParke 3 года назад +19

    Great video. Maybe the concept of the four horsemen of the apocalypse has deeper roots than we realise.

    • @gregbors8364
      @gregbors8364 3 года назад +1

      Sure, the stories in the Bible are all just ripped off from previous religions

    • @gregbors8364
      @gregbors8364 3 года назад

      @Simone Oh, IKR, he was a Jewish socialist just like Bernie Sanders 👍

    • @baronzad2056
      @baronzad2056 3 года назад +1

      If you think about it really hard...
      God came from Yahweh, and Yahweh is an Italic/Germanic thunder & lightning god whose pantheon dwindled down until it was just him (imo sounds like a mixture of Proto-Indo-European stuff and zoroastrianism)
      Basically, what I'm sayin is, God is also Zeus and/or Thor ^~^

    • @cathjj840
      @cathjj840 2 года назад

      @@baronzad2056 You've been over at Survive the Jive?

  • @y.b4251
    @y.b4251 3 года назад +14

    I love the map! Really make the understanding of topic easier

    • @DanDavisHistory
      @DanDavisHistory  3 года назад +4

      I'm so glad to hear that. Making the maps takes a lot of extra time so it's good to know people find them useful.

  • @tribalbabymum
    @tribalbabymum 2 года назад +6

    This is great, I have never heard of the trypillian civilization, thank you for introducing me to it. I will certainly be watching more of your great videos.

  • @Ulfhednir9
    @Ulfhednir9 3 года назад +18

    Great video :) thank you.
    My personal take away of the decline is as you stated, multiple causes. The drop in the male population to me is a sign of warfare and often after warring in distant countries, diseases often spreads.

    • @YamiKisara
      @YamiKisara Год назад +2

      Some deseases are gender specific or more dangerous to one gender than the other, and other times it's an ailment caused during hunting (such as poisoned water drank on the go), so it doesn't always have to be warfare.

    • @Ulfhednir9
      @Ulfhednir9 Год назад

      @@YamiKisara true males typically die faster for many reasons but historically rapid drops in male is typically due to warfare

  • @mweskamppp
    @mweskamppp 3 года назад +8

    I recall from medieval times they put bundles of brushwood on the floor and even slept on it. Not changing it out for years or even forever. Does not seem to be a healthy thing to me.

    • @baraxor
      @baraxor 3 года назад +1

      Much like sawdust on the floor of saloons and taverns, rushes were supposed to be periodically swept out. I suppose that some households were either too lazy to go to the trouble, or were too poor to afford it.

    • @mweskamppp
      @mweskamppp 3 года назад +1

      @@baraxor I read it was bundles of tied together brushwood, maybe 2 to 4 inches thick on a stomped clay-ground. Stayed there for years. Quite warm and dry to sit and sleep on and also relatively soft. Unfortunately I can not find something to quote for that. I hope my memory is not playing a prank on me.
      In my area later there were bigger houses. On one head end were the sleeping rooms of the owners and children. then left and right the hands. With a wooden floor over some foot of empty space. Then a dividing wall, then kitchen, older versions with a firehole in the ground and a spark catcher over it. Then left and right at the side walls room for the cattle. Later versions had room for the hands on top of the cattle and also storage room for hay and harvest. the smoke from the kitchen was disinfecting the thatched roof over all of it, in later centuries they used separated kitchen with hearth and chimney. all the ground except the sleeping area was stomped clay.
      there were different versions of course.
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_German_house
      The house of an aunt of mine was a late version of that from about 1800. The living area already renovated two steps up with stone floor and roof tiles on top of everything. I remember i helped them hauling hay bricks from a wagon through a hole up to the hayloft above the horses to the left and right using a big fork. Wow, that was exhausting.
      My grandfathers house from 1925 was a craftsmans house and lot. one basement room for storage. The rest had double brick walls in the sand with isolation gap and wooden planks half a meter above sand. The wooden floor was covered with linoleum.

  • @KirstenBayes
    @KirstenBayes 3 года назад +14

    Although steptomycin can knock the mortality rate down to 10 percent or so, it is fearsome even today: imagine historical times when nobody knew the cause or how to treat it.

    • @DanDavisHistory
      @DanDavisHistory  3 года назад +6

      It must have been terrifying and confusing. That said, I expect they did have explanations that satisfied them to some extent. They would have understand that this was the work of a powerful god and/or was cosmic punishment for their society not living properly or something else quite specific.

    • @KirstenBayes
      @KirstenBayes 3 года назад +4

      @@DanDavisHistory I do like how science is revealing details of their lives and communities. We may not know the stories they told about themselves, but we can understand, remember and honour what they went through. Just like this!

  • @mayday6916
    @mayday6916 3 года назад +13

    Thank you for a very interesting video! The burning of the neolithic houses interests me. I studied archaeology some years ago (I live in Sweden) and visited the site where one of these burned villages had been. I don't remember how many years our mentor said there were between burnings, but I seem to remember that it was perhaps every ten to twenty years. The theory then was that the house was burned partly to get rid of vermin and partly for agricultural reasons. (Getting rid of disease is a good idea, but did they really understand how disease spread and that it was a good thing to burn the house?) The new house was then built a few meters away from the burned area, and the burned ground became the new field where seeds were planted. The potassium in the ashes made the earth more nutritious for the plants. Excavation at the site had shown a pattern of the house being rebuilt again and again in a circle. This was in the south of Sweden, in Småland.

  • @markt7291
    @markt7291 3 года назад +6

    Interesting and thanks for not interjecting current thinking into history as many do. History is best described from the writings or knowledge from the actual time when it was happening by those who lived in it. The rest is a half educated guess. Well done !!

  • @jamessnee7171
    @jamessnee7171 3 года назад +6

    I just learned so much from this one little video. I have believed that making education also entertaining is the essence of teaching. Excellent job.

  • @paul6925
    @paul6925 3 года назад +20

    “Liquefying” people is a good and horrifying way to describe it 😱

    • @eacalvert
      @eacalvert 3 года назад +2

      Based on what I've read about it before in school (which was like a million years ago) that's a pretty accurate description 🤢

    • @paul6925
      @paul6925 3 года назад +2

      @@eacalvert Being morbid, I've watched a lot of plague documentaries and I agree! 😱

    • @mikitz
      @mikitz 3 года назад +3

      Radiation poisoning does pretty much the same thing, but it sounds cooler and usually lasts longer.

    • @paul6925
      @paul6925 3 года назад

      @@mikitz I guess when all your cells are dying your turning into goo 😫

  • @xyz8512
    @xyz8512 3 года назад +4

    I only discovered you a couple of months ago. Great stuff! Keep it up.

  • @miketacos9034
    @miketacos9034 3 года назад +3

    I never knew how much we could estimate about the Neolithic and Early Bronze Age. It’s like falling in love with history all over again!

  • @-handala-
    @-handala- Год назад

    I find it fascinating that this is your side gig, Dan. Top quality.

  • @bc7138
    @bc7138 3 года назад +8

    Interesting video, thanks for posting.
    If plague really did wipe out the Neolithic population (which as you state could be one factor among many, and an unlikely one) then the situation in Neolithic Europe would've been similar to the one in Mesoamerica in the 16th century. It seems that diseases brought by the Spanish had travelled ahead of them, so that when the Conquistadors arrived in certain areas the population had already been decimated or completely wiped out by disease.

  • @stevensiferd7104
    @stevensiferd7104 3 года назад +16

    Thank you for saying that our interpretations of cause and effect often say as much about us and the times we live in as it does about past peoples. I've noticed that, even when trying to explain modern occurrences, psychologists, sociologists, criminologists, et cetera will allow their own prejudices and obsessions to color their interpretations of what happened. The truth is, most events are caused by a combination of many forces, not just one.

  • @dbmail545
    @dbmail545 3 года назад +8

    It has been suggested that the replacement of the black rat (rattus rattus) which harbored the flea species that carry Yesinia Pestis by the larger and more aggressive brown rat (rattus norvicus) that harbors different flea species that don't carry the plague pathogen had some effect on the reduction of the plague in Europe.

    • @robertmcgovern8850
      @robertmcgovern8850 3 года назад +3

      Possible. But the hard DNA mutational anzlysis points to an attenuation of the yrsenia pestis bacterium itself -- that is, it became less contageous and/or less lethal over the centuries. Which sounds an unlikely strategy! But diseases that are too virulent cancel themselves out (see: early ebola). Add to that selective resistance in populations, plus cultural mitigation measures. Most fatal pandemics follow a similar growth curve. Syphilis, smallpox, typhoid....

    • @dbmail545
      @dbmail545 3 года назад

      @@robertmcgovern8850 this is so, but remember. Yersinia has an animal species that it is endemic to (several in fact) and as such most of the evolutionary pressure is for it to be most easily passed on and less virulent for THAT species, not humans.

  • @Amy_the_Lizard
    @Amy_the_Lizard 2 года назад +5

    Just wanted to mention, some pneumonic plague strains can actually kill you in as little as 24 hours in the right conditions (such as being stressed, elderly, or a child.) Usually it takes closer to three days though, as the video said.

  • @kenyonmoon3272
    @kenyonmoon3272 3 года назад +4

    Thank you, excellent as always, and sorry for giving you shit in your poll earlier.
    I would very much lean toward a very slight increase in the average low temperature in the region as a way to increase human movement and productivity, as well as increased survival of Y pestis. A slight shift of a single variable is like the proverbial lost horsehoe nail that felled a kingdom, wide ranging consequences can cascade from small changes applied in the right time and place.

  • @GhostSecuritySolutions
    @GhostSecuritySolutions 3 года назад +9

    Alot of ancient settlements look like they were abandoned because of disease.

  • @justsomenuts
    @justsomenuts 3 года назад +289

    Regarding more women surviving the plague than men, women naturally have stronger immune systems than men and usually have a better survival rate from infectious disease. (additionally, auto immune disorders are more common in women.)

    • @nonyadamnbusiness9887
      @nonyadamnbusiness9887 3 года назад +21

      As it is with Covid 19. Women are twice as likely to survive it.

    • @DennisMoore664
      @DennisMoore664 3 года назад +22

      Wouldn't it also typically be men who make contact with other people? I'm guessing that some of them who contracted a deadly communicable disease through whatever means of transmission would have died before they were able to return to their own tribe and spread the disease among the women and children.

    • @NullHand
      @NullHand 3 года назад +43

      Currently, the largest number of known immune system genes is on the X chromosome. So women have at least 1 backup copy of each.
      Like color blindness, if men inherit a broken copy, they have to express it. It may be that the main role of the male sex is to act as an evolutionary error correction scratch-pad for complex organisms.
      As a side note, many auto-immune diseases (ra, ms, lupus) strike later in life, and probably fly above the reproductive radar of natural selection. Infection not so much. In the absence of vaccines and antibiotics, they usually hit the youngest hardest.

    • @barbiquearea
      @barbiquearea 3 года назад +14

      This explains why on average women tend to live longer.

    • @zciweslab
      @zciweslab 3 года назад +34

      If women were responsible for the domesticated animals, milking cows and goats, shearing sheep and processing fibers and furs, etc. then they probably would have been exposed to a multiplicity of zoonotic diseases that fostered greater immunity.

  • @olinayoung6287
    @olinayoung6287 3 года назад +5

    Fabulous video, you really take your content & storytelling to the next level, really excellent 🌟🌟🌟!!’

  • @hiddenwoodsben
    @hiddenwoodsben 3 года назад +2

    aight good sir, just got yourself a new reader. something in the bronzeage-setting is exactly what i needed.

  • @HistoryBro
    @HistoryBro 3 года назад +3

    Nice one matey

  • @originaluddite
    @originaluddite 3 года назад +2

    I like how you acknowledge complexity and the breadth of interpretation that allows.

  • @maceain
    @maceain 3 года назад +8

    You do good work. And, at a higher level than 'academic' historians. Good post.

    • @DanDavisHistory
      @DanDavisHistory  3 года назад +4

      Thank you very much. I have to say, I'm just reiterating the hard work of actual academics.

    • @maceain
      @maceain 3 года назад +2

      @@DanDavisHistory understand... still, your work is excellent. I am in the biz myself (writing and DNA work), and I tip my hat to you.

    • @DanDavisHistory
      @DanDavisHistory  3 года назад +1

      And I appreciate it enormously.

  • @seanwhelan879
    @seanwhelan879 3 года назад +2

    Lovely Dan just sitting down to my tea and enjoy one of my favourite channels. Thanks for the work. 🇮🇪

  • @rugosetexture2716
    @rugosetexture2716 3 года назад +3

    Fascinating stuff. You really excel at what you do. Thank you.

  • @amymonroe9328
    @amymonroe9328 2 года назад +2

    Well hello history! I've been looking for you. I am so glad you are doing this! Thank yoy

  • @wintersking4290
    @wintersking4290 Год назад +5

    Feels like it may have been spread between these neighboring farmer cultures via grain trading. Wheat and barley are easy to transport, but hard to keep infected rats out of. The cucuteni-trypillians may have had horrible rat infestations which spread to their neighbors through exchanging other goods for grain shipments.

  • @60079regulatorylaw
    @60079regulatorylaw 3 года назад +2

    Thank you for Sharing.You also have a nice voice and delivery.
    Im intetested in learning about this sort of History,so its great to listen to you.
    Thank you.

  • @laurelsilberman5705
    @laurelsilberman5705 3 года назад +1

    I hit subscribe like two minutes in bro ✨👌🏽🔥 the quality of your source imagery and your data vasialization, ahhh!!! Where has your channel been all my life?! I’m off to go binge and like your entire content library😍✨

  • @xen4886
    @xen4886 3 года назад +9

    The most mysterious periods of time, that I've only recently heard of, and you write novels based in them with your knowledge of the workings of these cultures. Sounds at least as interesting as Fatherland, and I will give it a look. Great Video, and thank you.

  • @osalicsomonic6069
    @osalicsomonic6069 3 года назад +2

    Your "cause & effect" insight is brilliant

  • @lexprontera8325
    @lexprontera8325 2 года назад +3

    Thank you for saying "bacterium" when it's singular, and not "bacteria", which is plural. I want you to know it didn't go unnoticed and is much appreciated : )

    • @duhni4551
      @duhni4551 2 года назад +1

      Thank you for bringing this up, as i didn't know this before. So cheers =)

  • @FallicIdol
    @FallicIdol 3 года назад +1

    Just found your channel tonight and am instantly hooked.

  • @marigeobrien
    @marigeobrien 3 года назад +3

    While I very much appreciate the detail and accuracy of the body of your information and I have great respect for your very extensive knowledge of ancient cultures, I must mention one little detail that is, nevertheless, quite critical. You cite rodents for spreading the Black Death plague in the 15th century, but it was actually the fleas on the rodents that were the infectors. While, yes, the rodents facilitated the fleas' movement, they did not do anything beyond that; only spreading the fleas. It was the fleas that actually carried and spread the bacteria. Because fleas can also spread from person to person, they might spread (for instance in any close quarters) even without rats. Also, many theorized (at the time) that dogs and cats spread the plague, too. Many perished because of this, which is ironic because, while both can carry fleas, they are also very good at containing rats.
    This is the reason those who were generally cleaner managed to avoid the plague and gave rise to "cleaner living." In fact, it was believed the plague was sent from God to rid the world of all inferior people. Thus, cleanliness was considered godliness.
    Also, especially in the Mediterranean, those who ate garlic, because garlic is a natural toxin to fleas. (That, BTW, is also the reason garlic was thought to rid a house of evil spirits-- because, at the time, it was thought the plague was due to evil vapors or spirits.)

  • @laudercarame7265
    @laudercarame7265 3 года назад +1

    Just found your channel by accident, quite happy that i did.. hope you get more subs and views.. this is the kind of content that deserves millions in views and subscriptions.. sadly that is not the case but every sub and view helps in my opinion..

  • @TheWitchInTheWoods
    @TheWitchInTheWoods 3 года назад +21

    You would think that we might have considered massive cities as a bit of a liability then, but we just keep building them.

    • @paul6925
      @paul6925 3 года назад +6

      In Canada I’m watching my favourite province burn and thinking humans should have stayed hunter gatherers 😫

    • @TarebossT
      @TarebossT 3 года назад +1

      Because of overpopulation... Where would you stack this massive piles of amphibian shit?

    • @gregbors8364
      @gregbors8364 3 года назад +2

      @@paul6925 Ted Kaczynski’s manifesto is underrated

    • @paul6925
      @paul6925 3 года назад

      @@gregbors8364 Personally I've never read it but he wouldn't be the first nutjob to travel to the future to steal my brilliant thoughts!

    • @Patriotgal1
      @Patriotgal1 3 года назад

      @@gregbors8364 Uncle Ted was 100% right. I do not condone his methods, but I do sympathize.

  • @davebowman9000
    @davebowman9000 Год назад +1

    Wonderful video! Will definitely check out your books!

  • @casparcoaster1936
    @casparcoaster1936 3 года назад +9

    Burning does more for rodent and insect control than plague control

  • @gokhanunsal542
    @gokhanunsal542 3 года назад +1

    An intriguing idea and subject. Well done man.

  • @thhseeking
    @thhseeking 3 года назад +4

    No doubt, as you said, there were probably multiple reasons. Perhaps climate change led to food shortages, conflict, immune system stress, then Y. pestis decided it was party time.

  • @Oliveria663
    @Oliveria663 3 года назад +1

    Well this channel was hiding from me. I'll be marathoning it. Hope your videos keep coming

  • @guydesnoyers8417
    @guydesnoyers8417 3 года назад +1

    How have I not found this channel earlier? Great stuff,

  • @N7niko
    @N7niko 3 года назад +1

    Very informative. Glad I decided to check the video.

  • @60079regulatorylaw
    @60079regulatorylaw 3 года назад +2

    Im watching this again theres so much to learn.

  • @Kellystella97
    @Kellystella97 3 года назад +4

    History repeats itself and sometimes humans make it themselves repeat

  • @Apoxonbothyourhouses
    @Apoxonbothyourhouses 3 года назад +2

    I know little about this era but now I’m really curious.Thank you!

  • @pasquinomarforio
    @pasquinomarforio 3 года назад +5

    Well done !!!

  • @carlwilliamsaxton2146
    @carlwilliamsaxton2146 3 года назад +2

    Sweet, fascinating videos. Your story telling is captivating and so, I'm binge watching .
    Thank you

  • @billthomas7644
    @billthomas7644 3 года назад +4

    Although not really historic, the Iliad shows that the pre-classical Greeks were at least familiar with plagues.

  • @felixjaeger1635
    @felixjaeger1635 3 года назад +1

    What a gem of a channel! I'll check out your books, Sir

  • @immortaljanus
    @immortaljanus 3 года назад +3

    Been thinking about doing a zombie story in prehistoric times. This might be a good premise to start from.

  • @comfortablynumb9342
    @comfortablynumb9342 3 года назад +2

    This is the 1st video of yours I've seen and I subbed immediately. You talk about people I've never heard of. Cool.
    Do you have videos about the pre Incas and other ancient people and their connections?

    • @DanDavisHistory
      @DanDavisHistory  3 года назад +1

      Thank you, welcome to the channel. I don't know about the Americas I'm afraid. My area is more Europe and the Near East.

  • @scribeslendy595
    @scribeslendy595 Год назад +1

    Reading Thucydides describe the Plague of Athens (that he himself recovered from) is absolutely bone-chilling.
    Hearing a detailed description of a plague 2,500 years ago just hits different, seeing how the society attempted to explain and cope with such a tragedy. Like you said, we filter information through the current zeitgeist, and as such Thucydides explains that many assumed it was the result of a famous curse put on Athens.
    I know archeologists havent definitively proven the cause of the plague, but it's horrifying nonetheless.

  • @gwenmarcus3389
    @gwenmarcus3389 Год назад +1

    Great video. It's this first I've watched from this channel.
    I love the topic. I love that you research it so thoroughly. One of my favorite genres to read is historical fiction, but it has to be accurate. I will be buying your books! Thank you!

  • @gerihuginn
    @gerihuginn 3 года назад +4

    The Black Death resulted in the Renaissance and advances in medicine and science

  • @harriettemacy7399
    @harriettemacy7399 3 года назад +1

    Wow, Thank you algorithm! Delighted new subscriber here.🌠

  • @MrMaltasar
    @MrMaltasar 3 года назад +3

    Fascinating! Thank you for this informational video.
    I have to say I find it much more plausible that disease rather than invasion/warfare etc led to the indo european takeover.
    Even with a much more advanced culture and technology, such as the Spanish in their conquests of Mexico and South America, the role of disease is well known and perhaps instrumental in the takeover of the continent. Perhaps the takeover was inevitable anyway, but depopulation from disease definitely made the process easier and smoother.

  • @alexanderweinrich7418
    @alexanderweinrich7418 3 года назад +1

    Wow the quality of your videos is amazing! I’ll have to check out your book. I hope your channel grows in the future, keep it up

  • @jameswagandt8718
    @jameswagandt8718 3 года назад +8

    Re: burning houses. I’ve heard It was pretty common in the American colonial period for cabins to be burnt every generation. More work to maintain than build at that point. Also I’m sure a hell of a party.

    • @alexriddles492
      @alexriddles492 3 года назад

      I heard a theory about that. There was no large manufacturing industry at the time. So, nails were so valuable that burning the house made economic sense as a way to reclaim them.

    • @SiiriCressey
      @SiiriCressey 3 года назад +1

      @@alexriddles492 Wouldn't the fire have warped them?

    • @josephgilboy6259
      @josephgilboy6259 3 года назад +3

      @@SiiriCressey nope, they used super durable square nails that are still usable today

    • @SiiriCressey
      @SiiriCressey 3 года назад

      @@josephgilboy6259 Damn. Impressive.

  • @perrydowd9285
    @perrydowd9285 3 года назад +1

    I've just discovered your channel and subbed.

  • @raphlvlogs271
    @raphlvlogs271 3 года назад +3

    over population would have been a much greater issue if plagues never happened.

  • @kclark3188
    @kclark3188 3 года назад +1

    What a fantastic channel and topics. So glad I found it. I've been binge watching. Going to get some of your books.

    • @DanDavisHistory
      @DanDavisHistory  3 года назад

      Thanks, welcome to the channel, glad you're enjoying the videos. I hope you like the books too.

  • @13thcentury
    @13thcentury 3 года назад

    Whenever anything new is mentioned, I'm expected "which I also have a video about". I'm 8 mins in, and I know there is more.
    They also ate food... which I also have a video about.
    Good vid... it just felt like the mcu setting up a universe.

  • @Xochiyolotl
    @Xochiyolotl Год назад +1

    I am now finding out that you are a novelist. How fascinating! I will be checking out your work as soon as I can. I thoroughly enjoy your videos in particular, the one about the rite of passage of The Indo Europeans.

  • @shaneziegler2555
    @shaneziegler2555 Год назад +2

    I gotta say your videos are the only videos I’ve found on RUclips that are worth rewatching. Simply great videos of history

  • @andersschmich8600
    @andersschmich8600 3 года назад +3

    Do you think a plague that damaged agricultural societies but would have left hunter gathers less impacted, could have been the cause for a Western Hunter gatherer resurgence? I have read that early EEFs show relatively little local WHG admixture, but latter on in some cases it increased by quite a bit. For example, according to Stephan Shennan, Ballynahatty woman had around 40% WHG ancestry, and I read a paper that some individuals from the globular amphora culture had around 30%. I wonder if there was a merging of societies after the farmers were decimated by plague, or even if the hunter gatherers took advantage of their sedentary neighbors weakness to take them over in some way.

    • @DanDavisHistory
      @DanDavisHistory  3 года назад +2

      That's an interesting hypothesis. I think the genetic evidence for Y.pestis evolution suggests that would be too early. But perhaps there was another disease that evolved amongst the settled people and caused the collapse of the LBK.
      Their settlements weren't especially "urban" of course but maybe the longhouse was a great environment for disease evolution.

    • @andersschmich8600
      @andersschmich8600 3 года назад +2

      @@DanDavisHistory Yeah, I thought the dates did'nt quite match. I still wonder if the farmer societies declined for another reason. The idea that Western Hunter Gatherer people, or people with larger proportions of their ancestry may have occupied an elite in some agricultural societies is fascinating, but I'm not sure if we can ever know what was truly happening.

    • @DanDavisHistory
      @DanDavisHistory  3 года назад +1

      Certainly seems that they did take over, however. Truly remarkable and unexpected.

    • @andersschmich8600
      @andersschmich8600 3 года назад +1

      I do wonder if that had some sort of advantage, or even if they were viewed favorably by the farmers.

    • @DanDavisHistory
      @DanDavisHistory  3 года назад +1

      It's one of the most intriguing events in European prehistory. Of course many peoples have periods of growth and decline but the hunter-gatherers were able to take advantage somehow. To such an extent that the male hunters "took over" the farming settlements and had offspring with the women. How on earth did this happen?
      I will have to make a video about this, it really fascinates me.

  • @stop.juststop
    @stop.juststop 3 года назад +2

    This was incredibly interesting. Thank you.

  • @theartisticdrive6133
    @theartisticdrive6133 3 года назад +1

    Interesting and well narrated

  • @lisaharmon5619
    @lisaharmon5619 3 года назад

    This popped up on my news feed. Fascinating! Liked and subscribed!

  • @genghiskhan6809
    @genghiskhan6809 3 года назад +4

    The plague. The second greatest enemy of mankind

  • @mejeg
    @mejeg 3 года назад

    I am legit impressed at how many self plugs are in this vid, well played.

  • @petelcek
    @petelcek 3 года назад +5

    Actually Yersinia pestis is still present. It appears in Sub-Saharan Africa, Gobi desert and even locally in US. Its natural source are rodents of many kind, especially squirrels and mice&rats. But nowadays it doesnt appear in its contagious form. Luckily.
    I love Your videos, You took a lot of time to research and also like the way your interpretations of the latest scientific articles.

    • @DanDavisHistory
      @DanDavisHistory  3 года назад

      Thank you.

    • @Teddyclaws
      @Teddyclaws 10 месяцев назад

      Pneumonia plague is still contagious between people.

  • @Margatatials
    @Margatatials Год назад

    I am so glad this was recomended to me so fascinating.

  • @paulbourdon1236
    @paulbourdon1236 3 года назад +2

    Plague victim: but I feel betta
    Plague victim collector: you're not fool'n anyone.
    Plague victim: but I don't want to go on the cart
    Plague victim collector: Don't be a baby...

  • @lillithlavey7203
    @lillithlavey7203 Год назад

    It’s sick to think that despite the demise and decline of our ancestors, YOU are still here. Our ancestors pushed through and now we are here. Pretty incredible

  • @bettygreenhansen
    @bettygreenhansen 3 года назад

    Liked and subscribed!
    Thank you very much.

  • @tonnywildweasel8138
    @tonnywildweasel8138 3 года назад +1

    Glad i discovered this channel! Learn a LOT from it!
    Greets, T.

  • @poorplayer9249
    @poorplayer9249 2 года назад

    @11:20 Some time back, a number of previous cautions like the one at the time stamp were what prompted me to subscribe to your channel. What you describe in your examples of "narrative" analysis is familiar to me. So, formal historian or not, this is simply nous and critical thinking at their best. Thank you.

  • @EntropicRemnants
    @EntropicRemnants 3 года назад +2

    Very nice, Mr. Davis. Have you written anything based around the time period described in Eric Cline's "1177 BC: The Year Civilization Collapsed"? I found that book and his lectures fascinating in its description of the fall of what you might call a "globalized" international culture.

  • @marigeobrien
    @marigeobrien 3 года назад +1

    Thank goodness these types of plague have, for the most part, been wiped out with the introduction of antibiotics, especially penicillin. There are still small outbreaks, even in the United States (2018). But they are quickly controlled with antibiotics.
    Also, I should think the plague was one reason a place like Britannia was so appealing; living on an island would be one good way to avoid it.