Ive seen offroad anddirt track guys weld diffs *usually cheap easy to find parts,* and they pull the whole carrier out take and ring off and preheat usually with an oven or torch .... good luck keeping the expensive cv's from exploding
nice to see someone weld a diff the right way instead of the wrong way and smashing the gears after 5 min because no plate ...... that being said a mini spool is dirt cheap and very easy to come by
Damage due to the bearings arcing to compete the circuit- from case-to bearings- then to the gears...needs to be directly to gears. Grounds will arc too..
if your using 220 volts in your garage your can use any welder than is a 220v machine dont matter how much it cost. gas or flux core but flux core a little nasty but it works.. you can tig weld it too just gotta be clean . 110 v machine can also weld it just gotta turn your wire speed and voltage all the way up. I wouldnt waste my time pre heating it . You can even stick weld it but you have too remove the slag off your welds when you done. 110 v stick welder would have all the penetration you need . Use a 3/32 6011 rod 80 amps and your good man.
I've done several of these for myself and friends personally using plates like you did is the best way to go for a sure thing. I seen the Machine a true "Lincoln Locker" Aha Haa aha haa.
i would not use a mig weld, i used a mma weld and just filld it all. and if i weld that thick material i always heat it up before i weld it. just a tip
Mr. Rowan Good, than do us a favor and use it before welding something. Of course it evaporates very quickly but if there's a tiny crack and it gets into it, it can kill you.
Mr. Rowan If you're seriously dumb enough to keep using it you won't be missed. Here are some articles about the risks. Howgh. www.brewracingframes.com/safety-alert-brake-cleaner--phosgene-gas.html www.thefabricator.com/article/arcwelding/cleaning-material-with-brake-cleaner-before-welding-a-risky-move-that-can-turn-deadly
Next time cover or smoke ring and pinion and main spider gear pin. All you need is a little weld on the spider gears to stop them from turning. Now that you closed it all up you can't get at the c-clips if needed.
Everybody loosing their shit over a little spatter( release spray anyone?) but the gloves that close to a bench grinder made me grit my teeth hard! That thing gets snagged it's gonna fuck up your day pretty quick.
Seems like a lot of little spot welds Think id want to fry it in Welded a diff on the rubicon trail with my alternator stick welding Guy drove it for years Sure the diff bearings will be toast Ground should have been connected to the gears Would have been better off buying a sure lock kit they are cheap and work pretty well
Wouldnt preheat tbh, the gears are hardened steel, preheating will just anneal it, I know the arc is hot, but I wouldn't even bother, just get a decent arc welder and you can weld buildings without blowing $5k on a welder, which needs argon to run
Probably should have taken the diff out of the housing and removed the ring gear and bearings. Could have provided better access to the spider and idler gears and removed the chance of arcing and barbecuing them. Personally I would have preweld heat treated the gears to destress the metal and make it easier to weld with the MIG and probably filled in all of the teeth along the sides that contacted the plate to make a flat surface and used some smaller strips of plate that set a little further inside of the gears a little and laid a fillet on all 4 sides of the plate
what is it with all these youtube guys thinking they need to weld a plate in there? I have never done it, and noone i know has ever done it. And in all cases the welds NEVER failed. We have had broken axles(wich where still replaceable because noone welded something in the center, so you could reach the clips if it is a system with clips) So why is it that you weld in a plate? Because you dont know what you are doing and someone else on youtube did it or what?
To both comments: The diff has drifted great for over a year. IS the plate necessary? probably not. I'm cranking out a massive 100HP though. I can use all the strength I can!
Seems like a lot of work to Hokie something. I did this once with an old Willys Jeep. I welded in between the teeth of the spider gears so there was still a little bit of movement, my buddy welded his uptight. We took them both into town and his chirped like a bitch and it turned hard with every turn and mine 75% of the time wasn't even noticeable. Put it through hell and it never broke however if it had a V8 in it things may have been different.
If you can use stick welding to build up worn teeth on gears then machine the buildup for a finished gear. Why would anyone use wire unless it's all they had?
Are u building a dirft car or drag car or rally car?! :D Cuz u got the drag race style air blow thing in ur headlight and the rally style engine cover under the car
Great video . Only thing is I can Replicate that weld with a 240 harbor freight welder . My opinion is the welder has a lot to do with it as well ... A good person welding can weld better with a $100 welder then a person that can’t weld with a $5k welder . Love the video tho 👍👍👍👍
good job due i cant wait to see you drifting. BTW you shoud know welded diffs tend to brake a lot even with a really good weld. So dont blame your friend when it brakes
Great video... everyone has their own opinions and i think your welder is cool n smart and so r you...fuk all these nerds in the comments who know nothing because if they did theu wouldn't be here asking how to weld diff lol
Jolly Jo we are crossing he country meeting other subscribers and helping with their projects! We. Already took this diff drifting in another episode. Left New England and now we are In Georgia! Where are you at?
Bro your boy does not know what he is talking about when it comes to welding! I assure you I can produce stronger welds with a harbor frieght $100 welder than your boy can with that Lincoln. Now he did a great job, and super smart using the plates. Just don't say you can't use a hf cheap welder, because you can. And you can trust me when I say this, I'm a combo welder by trade (certified in mig, stick, and tig.) Some people can only get access to a hf welder and it would totally get the job done. I just want people to know a $100 hf welder absolutely can weld a diff. Other than that cool video and you will never break those welds that fuckers gonna be spinning both tires no matter how much hp you have haha
Absolutely right. My 110V MIG would have a hard time doing that job but those Harbor Freight 220V machines are pretty damn decent and will easily handle that job.
Harbor Freight Welder don't even make welder that can penetrate thick metal like the gears off a diff. Your lucky if Harbor Freight welder will get you through a signal job. I use some Harbor Freight but anything electrical I never buy. To many bad experiences.
daminh26 you dont know how to operate it? Im pretty sure those harbor freight welder do the job just fine. You dont need to run 300amps to get a diff welded. I was running the kemppi on my job at below 50% of its rated 320amps to weld the diff, any higher would burn the teeth right of the gears without o problem.
The harbor freight welder will weld the shit out of that diff, Its when you’re welding thin metal/exhaust piping is when flux core starts being troublesome
Always remember to put the ground on the casing instead of the part you are welding so when you weld the gears it will Ark through the bearings.
Good call on that.
I was wondering why he attached it through the case like that
you dont want it to ark through the bearings .....the ground should always be attached to the same metal that you are welding ....
Reason being- to not get your bearings welded into 1 piece 😂@@jasonritchie6827
All I did to my 70-2002 dirt track oval race car was to arc weld the spiders, no fancy plates, worked great, never broke.
Good vid, thanx.
How much amps you used?
Ive seen offroad anddirt track guys weld diffs *usually cheap easy to find parts,* and they pull the whole carrier out take and ring off and preheat usually with an oven or torch .... good luck keeping the expensive cv's from exploding
I'm sorry but judging by the knowledge of your "welder" this can only end badly. Duty cycle has nothing to do with penetration of the welder.
Fucking exactly. I had the biggest look of confusion when I heard that
I've used a cheap welder to make nice welds in the past!
It's not the tool.
It's the Craftsman!
5000 dollar welder, 100 dollar knowledge, ended up with a 50 dollar weld.
A Harbor Freight $99. Flux Welder with Lincoln Wire Will Work Just fine.
Can you tell us where or what the differential is out of??
nice to see someone weld a diff the right way instead of the wrong way and smashing the gears after 5 min because no plate ...... that being said a mini spool is dirt cheap and very easy to come by
Why do you connect the ground to the housing? I think that is not a good idea for the bearings...better connect directly to the diffhousing
What housing are you talking about? The housin is the diff housing.
Do you mean connect the ground to the ring gear??
Yes, to the ring gear. Because if you connect ground to housin, electricity is going through bearing, and that can damage them.
Jānis Rudzinskis how exactly would it damage it?
Damage due to the bearings arcing to compete the circuit- from case-to bearings- then to the gears...needs to be directly to gears. Grounds will arc too..
Doyle smith interesting, thanks for the tip.
Looks amazing, never seen such welds before, makes me want to learn to weld...
if your using 220 volts in your garage your can use any welder than is a 220v machine dont matter how much it cost. gas or flux core but flux core a little nasty but it works.. you can tig weld it too just gotta be clean . 110 v machine can also weld it just gotta turn your wire speed and voltage all the way up. I wouldnt waste my time pre heating it . You can even stick weld it but you have too remove the slag off your welds when you done. 110 v stick welder would have all the penetration you need . Use a 3/32 6011 rod 80 amps and your good man.
Ace King dual shield flux core is some of the finest MIG welding you can use bud. Straight up glass beads
I've done several of these for myself and friends personally using plates like you did is the best way to go for a sure thing.
I seen the Machine a true "Lincoln Locker" Aha Haa aha haa.
Personaly i wud use some anti spatter spray before welding especially deeper inside where u wont be able to get rid of spatter later
In retrospect, there are a few things I would do differently. :D
How do you know what burnt cat smells like?
I'm no welder but I thought it was amperage that changed not voltage ?
im welding mine right now with my hb welder. fingers crossed lol
Men you weld on spider gear, wich is responsiple for allowing proper wheel turning when driving in the curves,
10:53 he is an excellent welder and you can tell he knows his stuff aside from just running a smooth bead
HARBOR FRIEGHT IS NO JOKE
Better than most I've seen, still better off getting the right diff for the application
I don't care what anyone says, those plates make it a lot stronger.
Do you gotta weld all the diffs?
i would not use a mig weld, i used a mma weld and just filld it all. and if i weld that thick material i always heat it up before i weld it. just a tip
How did the diff last? Didn't wreck the bearings by grounding through them?
exactly how i did the rear dana 44 axle in my tj. Just as good as a mini spool, cheaper, and easier IMO
How much amps did you use?
Welding the diff is so one axle doesnt grip and one slides, am i correct? Edit: wheel not axle
would love to see u use acetylene as shielding gas.
STURGOD BLADES & SMITHING Inc. aka big explosion 😂😂
Fuckin rip
What did you use to clean out the diff at the beginning of the video? Just a water blaster and degreaser?
Zahier Mahoob Never ever use brake cleaner on something you're about to weld. It creates fosgene gas and may kill you or severely injure you.
Zero to hero brake cleaner evaporates very fast, in a couple of seconds its as good as gone
Mr. Rowan Good, than do us a favor and use it before welding something. Of course it evaporates very quickly but if there's a tiny crack and it gets into it, it can kill you.
Pr3dator SvK i welded countless diffs using brake cleaner. youre explanation makes no sense because it doesnt explode tank missle like you say.
Mr. Rowan If you're seriously dumb enough to keep using it you won't be missed. Here are some articles about the risks. Howgh.
www.brewracingframes.com/safety-alert-brake-cleaner--phosgene-gas.html
www.thefabricator.com/article/arcwelding/cleaning-material-with-brake-cleaner-before-welding-a-risky-move-that-can-turn-deadly
I love this welder he is legit
Why people be hating so much it’s just incredible
no idea man, lol
Next time cover or smoke ring and pinion and main spider gear pin. All you need is a little weld on the spider gears to stop them from turning. Now that you closed it all up you can't get at the c-clips if needed.
With it setting up like that all the splater goes right down to the pinion gear bearing. Lay it down or take it out to weld it.
If anyone else does it I would suggest that you get the gears nice and warm with a torch before you weld it
This welding wont put it out of balance when turning at high speed???
I have not noticed any issues as of yet!
i need to get mine welded but idk who to take it too in my area that wont rip me off and do a decent job
Evil Ibaka Dude im 14 and i welded my friends whipps diff with some help of internet it hasent broken yet and i welded it about half year ago
Can i do it without demounting it ? Like while it's mounted to the car ?
I don't see why not. just makes it easier.
why didnt you take out the stubs part of the axles?
It was a free open diff, a quick weld job to get us out and drifting! It's worked great so far!
is that a lsd? looks something like a clutch pack opposite the crown gear....
nissan720 life Normal opel diff
nissan720 life lsd means limited slip dif, this is welded so it wil not slip anytime, its stuck in its position
Ok know that!! I weld all my open diffs... just thought that it looked like a lsd with external clutch packs before welding.
nissan720 life what is your problem right now exacly?
Im mentaly challanged.
Acetylene mig welder. I just think it’s funny the welder didn’t correct him.
same here man..
wow these guys sound smart
Where is he located & how much does he charge?
North East, I'll ask!
Everybody loosing their shit over a little spatter( release spray anyone?) but the gloves that close to a bench grinder made me grit my teeth hard! That thing gets snagged it's gonna fuck up your day pretty quick.
Agreed, The diff has worked Great!
That helmet looks as good as the welds. Go speed glass 9002x and a miller 250 you will never look back.
Lemme just fill my diff up with bb's because that sounds like a great idea
Yeah go put an acetylene tank on a mig welder...see what happens
Alessio Sonaglio 😂😂😂 that would actually be hilarious i might have to do that next time someone in my shop wants to weld
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para que es ese diferencial? saludos des mexico
You can do it with a harbor freight welder just fine
Seems like a lot of little spot welds
Think id want to fry it in
Welded a diff on the rubicon trail with my alternator stick welding
Guy drove it for years
Sure the diff bearings will be toast
Ground should have been connected to the gears
Would have been better off buying a sure lock kit they are cheap and work pretty well
Grounding through bearings, mig on a spatter unacceptable piece. Great welder bud
Thanks, the diff has been working great for well over a year. Better then some JB welded diffs out there.
What is the benefit you get from that?
Solid traction from both rear wheels, no one tire spinning.
Good way to weld the bearings to.
love the way you wash your old oil and crap into the draines
that looks like a place where it happens daily, i'm pretty sure their drains are kinda meant to take all that stuff in there.
Ann Divine he drain the diff before...
Ann Divine it's called a sump. And is probably serviced by a hazardous waste company.
Really enjoyed that! Please powdercoat it neon yellow! Pleeeeeeeeease!
So, instead of buying a locker or a spool, let's risk slag migration to the bearings by welding on the spiders. Have fun with the tow.
So how many drift events constitutes a good welded diff? It's held up great so far. (C)2018
Haggard welded their diff from harbor freight. Many diffs. Just saying HF works.
pre heat the diff and any welder will be able to melt it
Wouldnt preheat tbh, the gears are hardened steel, preheating will just anneal it, I know the arc is hot, but I wouldn't even bother, just get a decent arc welder and you can weld buildings without blowing $5k on a welder, which needs argon to run
seen other videos on this this is the better one thumbs up
Its not a welding machine that makes a welder good.. 😂
Yea nice Try, a Titanium Welder would drop dimes with FluxCore on a Diff
What type of plate did you use, and the thickness?
Not what your asking for but you could probably find a spec from this
Ken Block uses $8500 diffs from a company in Europe for his cars. Mustang and Pickup.
did it hold up, didnt look to bad
Everyone tells me how bad I did, but here it is 2018 and still going strong ( and sideways!)
I dont think you all did a bad job, in fact the weld looked pretty good to me considering what you where welding on
is that Sherminator?
Raising the voltage??
ESAB diff . Thats what it sometimes is called in Sweden.
So the diff has no use anymore???
Baky Puma drift diff now!!!
9:28 he says dooty.. those welds are dooty! And it's grounded through the bearings!!!! You guys are silly!
It's been drifting great for the past year, but agreed. Prob. not the best option for a pro drift car.
Never use a metal scraper or anything metal to scrape the left over gasket off. Could gouge the metal and cause leakage
Agreed, the diff cover is only RTV'd to keep the oil in, Scrapes with the rubber or paper gasket might leak.
Probably should have taken the diff out of the housing and removed the ring gear and bearings. Could have provided better access to the spider and idler gears and removed the chance of arcing and barbecuing them.
Personally I would have preweld heat treated the gears to destress the metal and make it easier to weld with the MIG and probably filled in all of the teeth along the sides that contacted the plate to make a flat surface and used some smaller strips of plate that set a little further inside of the gears a little and laid a fillet on all 4 sides of the plate
what is it with all these youtube guys thinking they need to weld a plate in there? I have never done it, and noone i know has ever done it. And in all cases the welds NEVER failed. We have had broken axles(wich where still replaceable because noone welded something in the center, so you could reach the clips if it is a system with clips) So why is it that you weld in a plate? Because you dont know what you are doing and someone else on youtube did it or what?
also forgot to say did you seriously put ground on the casing? Making the bearings pass the current trough? I dont think they like that very much...
To both comments: The diff has drifted great for over a year. IS the plate necessary? probably not. I'm cranking out a massive 100HP though. I can use all the strength I can!
how are you going to clip your axle in ?
It still has a spot for the cir clip to lock in, that part is not welded.
That shit looks racking clean. Now let me a get a cat I wanna know what a burt cat smells like lol
you should make it white with stripe of blue red...😊😊 and add a spoiler....😊😊
and black stripes
Seems like a lot of work to Hokie something.
I did this once with an old Willys Jeep. I welded in between the teeth of the spider gears so there was still a little bit of movement, my buddy welded his uptight.
We took them both into town and his chirped like a bitch and it turned hard with every turn and mine 75% of the time wasn't even noticeable.
Put it through hell and it never broke however if it had a V8 in it things may have been different.
It's been a great drift Diff, and these 3.91 open differentials are in about every 3-series Automatic.
“Smells like burned cat” do we have a serialkiller in the making here 😂😂
Harbor freight will make them stick, just won't melt the metal like that 220 volt machine will.
(welds for 4 seconds)well there you go all done
thanks dude lol
If you can use stick welding to build up worn teeth on gears then machine the buildup for a finished gear. Why would anyone use wire unless it's all they had?
washing and draining in water. system to drink later hmmm
Drill holes in plates so it doesn't starve oil make more noise adding just one plate will make it unbalanced and vibrate alot
Rick Rojas added plates on both sides!
Are u building a dirft car or drag car or rally car?! :D Cuz u got the drag race style air blow thing in ur headlight and the rally style engine cover under the car
Why didn't you just put a full spool in it to lock the diff correctly & save the gears so you could convert it back if needed
Honestly, I'm going to give one a try in the near future
1:46 He's got some hella good boots :-) Fellow White's/Nick's owner?
What is a diff for??
yeyson henrriquez It takes the rotational energy from the engine and essentially turns it's direction to the wheels
That piece of metal is probably 1/8 the width of my Macbook Pro *holds metal up to laptop*
Great video . Only thing is I can Replicate that weld with a 240 harbor freight welder . My opinion is the welder has a lot to do with it as well ... A good person welding can weld better with a $100 welder then a person that can’t weld with a $5k welder . Love the video tho 👍👍👍👍
Thanks for the input and thanks for watching!
lovely slag on the ring gear mmmmm crunchy
Drifted an event and changed the fluid, still going strong !!!
stay with welding patches on bodywork :-D
I've seen worse :D
Just dump concrete in the diff housing and let it sit for 5 minutes and you got mad drifts player
I usta watch a motovloger when I was a kid and he hung out with a guy and they called him Miller time
hezky,jen malej detail.. hlavne ze si cisti kostru na svareni ale ze to jde prez ložiska to mu asi nedoslo..
good job due i cant wait to see you drifting. BTW you shoud know welded diffs tend to brake a lot even with a really good weld. So dont blame your friend when it brakes
man dat welder rly knows what and how hes doing so the diff will be fine
welded diff tend to brake a lot
lol
thats all i said
break*
vaseto1987 if you are a bad welder it wil break yeah
100 dollar welder 100 dollar welds? not really i can weld the same with my crappy sealey 100 GASLESS...
lol.. i wanna see someone weld that with two car batteries n COAT HANGERS..LOL YEEEEE HHHAWWW!!!
burnt cat... interesting description
Pretty accurate, right?
or else , catpee ;)
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rise amps not volts
Great video... everyone has their own opinions and i think your welder is cool n smart and so r you...fuk all these nerds in the comments who know nothing because if they did theu wouldn't be here asking how to weld diff lol
as seen on big boost
Where you at bro? nothing new after this?????
Jolly Jo we are crossing he country meeting other subscribers and helping with their projects! We. Already took this diff drifting in another episode. Left New England and now we are In Georgia! Where are you at?
Massachusetts
Just put a detroit locker in it after all that trouble
I ever think ,3 years ago.
Bro your boy does not know what he is talking about when it comes to welding! I assure you I can produce stronger welds with a harbor frieght $100 welder than your boy can with that Lincoln. Now he did a great job, and super smart using the plates. Just don't say you can't use a hf cheap welder, because you can. And you can trust me when I say this, I'm a combo welder by trade (certified in mig, stick, and tig.) Some people can only get access to a hf welder and it would totally get the job done. I just want people to know a $100 hf welder absolutely can weld a diff. Other than that cool video and you will never break those welds that fuckers gonna be spinning both tires no matter how much hp you have haha
Jep just prehet your metal and weld :)
Absolutely right. My 110V MIG would have a hard time doing that job but those Harbor Freight 220V machines are pretty damn decent and will easily handle that job.
Harbor Freight Welder don't even make welder that can penetrate thick metal like the gears off a diff. Your lucky if Harbor Freight welder will get you through a signal job. I use some Harbor Freight but anything electrical I never buy. To many bad experiences.
daminh26 you dont know how to operate it? Im pretty sure those harbor freight welder do the job just fine. You dont need to run 300amps to get a diff welded. I was running the kemppi on my job at below 50% of its rated 320amps to weld the diff, any higher would burn the teeth right of the gears without o problem.
The harbor freight welder will weld the shit out of that diff, Its when you’re welding thin metal/exhaust piping is when flux core starts being troublesome