Precalculus is Algebra III with some trig mixed in, you say Calc AB is harder "with most of the people taking that class being geniuses", but that just isn't true. Calc I is primarily single variable differentiation with the basic principles of integration. The difficulty of Calc AB and Calc BC relative to the knowledge base at start compared to Precalculus relative to the knowledge base at start will consistently be easier for anybody who is studying and understanding the material correctly. For quite a few people, trig sucks and isn't particularly intuitive, but if you get it down Calc I and Calc II are easy, beyond that at the college level these are all single semester courses, while precalculus and calc AB and BC are all over a year, with instruction every day in small classes rather than twice a week with classes of at minimum 30. All of these classes are jokes, none of them are particularly difficult, and none of you are impressive for taking them, you're just more concerned with developing good study habits and making a nice admissions app than your peers. Stop acting like an authority when you're a teenager, I don't want to be rude but my guy you don't even know what math is yet, your opinion will become valid once you've at least started real analysis and ORD, at the absolute minimum.
@@somewhatfunnyguyy you say that, and yet as a witnesser of the pure horror that is "linear algebra" by some miracle of god "AP Arithmetic" would be proof hell or some shit.. altho wait that'd actually be cool. A study of the proofs, axioms, etc behind our everyday arithmetic functions
From what I heard, the AP Precalculus course was taught by the AP Calculus BC teach as well at a school I went to. She prepared each student very well, with a 100% passing rate in her 5 bells she taught it. However, there was extreme rigor in the course. She purposely added calculus concepts into the notes for each unit to prepare the students for Calculus AB and BC. That way, when it came time for the exam, each student already knew how to apply the calculus concepts as well, like finding a secent line. Along with that, I believe that the course prepares students well for future math classes. Many students know going into the course that they will be taking a Calculus course in the future, which is why they are taking the course. Providing the foundations of difficult concepts and applications, and simplifying them into more comprehensible units allows students to take the fundamental math study skills they have learned, and use it for the future.
I got a 4, but unfortunately our teacher was teaching precalc for the first time, and also absent almost everyday towards the end of the year. But the calculator section really tripped us up since our teacher never taught us how to be efficient with it or calculator questions to practice.
Yep, that also happened at my school. The class was pretty much self-taught, because the teachers we're given little material to teach it and they didn't know how. I can also agree with the calculator section being hard 😂
PreCalc was the worst and hardest class I've taken. It tanked my gpa. I don't know if it was my teacher or myself that was the problem but it was horrendous. Calculus on the other hand is easy.
Took precalc honors at my school and we covered more topics in that class than what the ap class seems to cover (we did chapters 4-9, then we did chapter 2 and 11 which were: Ch 4 - trig functions (graphs, inverses, stuff like that) Ch 5 - analytic trigonometry (equations with trig functions in them) Ch 6 - vectors (and also representing complex numbers using trig functions) Ch 7 - partial fraction decomposition (we only spent 2 classes on this though) Ch 8 - summation, series, sequences, binomial theorem, probability Ch 9 - polars and parametrics Ch 2 - going back to rational functions just as a refresher (we spent 2 classes on this maximum) Ch 11 - limits and continuity I noticed that on the ap precalc course description, the first 2 units are the same as the latter half of what I did in algebra 2 honors Basically, Ap precalc is stupid
@@RealMysticalMan What the hell are you talking about man lmao, precalc is absolutely a college class, its just rare to see STEM majors take it. Fuck, college algebra is a common first semester of freshman year course for non STEM undergrads. You'd go insane in a "calculus for business majors" course. Lord, what is it with moderately intelligent yet thoroughly unremarkable high schoolers and massive egos? Was I this bad as a kid? I've gotta go apologize to my mom.
I took AP precal last year and I got a 5. I took algebra 2 pre AP the year before that and I found that algebra 2 was much harder than AP precal and AP precal was literally everything in alg 2 except trig and easier. I am now in calc bc and getting cooked
Is it weird that I find calculus easier than precalc? There are just more rules to learn, not necessarily tedious math unless it's some practice problem meant to give you a headache
@@bosssnurp5912 of course. I never implied you could do calculus without Pre-Calculus, but what I'm saying is that it is not a giant leap of understanding. I could theoretically learn all the Pre-Calculus concepts inside of calculus and find that they were somehow more annoying than calculus itself. The gap between calculus and algebra 2 was small compared to algebra 2 and Pre-Calculus in my opinion. Maybe I just earned brain cells throughout the years, but yeah, I do think it's easier.
@@zielonythewolf5069 I felt that algebra 2 and precalc were nearly identitcal. I did learn trig in my algebra 2 course, so that could explain why I felt the two were so similar.
Lokey Honors Precalculus might be harder looking at my own school’s curriculum Unit 1: Trigonometry 1.1 Trigonometric Functions and The Unit Circle 1.2 Graphing Trigonometric Functions 1.3 Inverse Trigonometric Functions 1.4 Verifying Trigonometric Identities 1.5 Solving Trigonometric Equations 1.6 Law of Sines and Cosines 1.7 Complex Numbers & Polar Equations 1.8H Honors Only: Vectors Unit 2: Extension of Functions 2.1 Polynomial Functions 2.2 Rational and Radical Functions 2.3 Exponential and Logarithmic Functions 2.4H Honors Only: Conics Unit H: Honors Only - Series H.1 Binomial Theorem H.2 Introduction to Sequences H.3 Arithmetic and Geometric Sequences and Series Unit 3: Introduction to Calculus 3.1 Limits 3.2 Continuity 3.3 Derivatives 3.4 Applications of Derivatives Now let’s compare to the college board curriculum Unit 1: Polynomial and Rational Functions 30%-40% Unit 2: Exponential and Logarithmic Functions 27%-40% Unit 3: Trigonometric and Polar Functions 30%-35% Unit 4: Functions Involving Parameters, Vectors, and Matrices (not assessed on the Ap exam) Not only do I think my schools curriculum looks better (never took precalculus), but it looks like it actually prepared students for Ap Calculus
Took AP Precalc last year (was the highest math rigor at my school, algebra I freshman, geometry sophomores, algebra ii juniors, precalc for math wiz seniors, math making decisions otherwise), and I think this course has complete MERIT of being an AP and was a much needed class the College Board should have been had. Y’all can bite me in the comments,and I’ll reply
@@maranisha. People really don't understand that AP Precalc is LITERALLY College Algebra, and College Precalculus like seriously. I speak from expirence, as I took College Algebra right afterwards, and it was just the first unit of AP Precalc. Getting the credit saves the burden of taking an entire year of math, or opting into a test that colleges ENSURE students fail to avoid students w/ unclear background knowledge fail Calculus I. I have a friend who goes to Georgia Tech, despite the countless number of AP Calc BCs, he said only 4 people out of hundreds made it to Calc. Ironically, GT also accept a 4 on the AP Precalc exam, a score 20%-ish people got. This course was never meant to please the genius brainiacs in schools who have 10 trillion AP offerings, or AP Calc BC, people taking Multivariable Calc at their highschool, or people who want a extremely difficult-selective and impossible AP course to brag to admission officers (even when they don't care in the slightest). It was meant to open the idea of early college credit to those in low-income areas, where you aren't expected to take APs, where AP score waivers are common and USED. There are hundreds if not thousands of state schools, community colleges, and trade schools that have College Algebra and Precalc. Istg this "AP Precalc is stupid" or "Precalc is not college material" talk is no stupid, because yes, IT IS. It undermines the difficulty of the course, and undermines the people who took/struggled with College Algebra, or took College Precalc. For me personally, that course eliminated any gaps of knowledge from the past 3 years during which math teachers literally had to skip entire units because the class simply did not understand the content. All within one year countless gaps of knowledge from 9-12th Grade Math was filled and I am so incredibly thankful for that. I don't mean to rant, it's just that i'm extremly passionate on this LMAOO
AP Precalculus has the potential for alot. Precalculus is a course that many colleges have and sometimes perquisites calculus (even if you took it already as credit form). Although my school doesn't offer AP they offer DC/DE precal and from what I heard its the hardest course in the school. I feel like it should be as difficult to the point of many college (800-1400) take the credit compared to the only 400 that currently do. Good video. I also never heard of precal AB/BC.
@@studded8054 Yeah I totally agree. Precalculus honors I heard had more rigor and difficulty before it was replaced with AP Precalculus. It is definitely useful but I think the college board is making it easier than it should be. And most people haven’t heard of the AB/BC because it’s new this year. But yeah it’s different across schools.
@@mathvise My school had up to calc 3 and precalc DE was the hardest. Gotta be some kinda middle ground between honors and DE that majority of colleges will accept.
@@mathviseTrig equations were a bit tricky at first, memorizing all those trig identities were terrible, and I remember struggling a lot on that finding the trig form of this complex number(there was also an exponential form). Those were my biggest difficulties in class and it may have been amplified because it was a summer class that was 1 month long instead of 2.
In what world would that be a decent decision? If you really are gung ho about this, you can take a Calc III class at a local community college, or you can see if any universities near you offer a summer school option. I'll likely be having my little sister go up to Linear Algebra and ORD at rice over her summers in the future. Small piece of advice, whenever you think you have a good idea about education reform, ask yourself "how much money would this cost, how many students would it benefit, and to what degree would it benefit them?" before remembering that of the more than 50,000,000 public school students in this country, many do not even have access to AP Calc BC. Speaking from the experiences of somebody who went to 3 different highschools in 3 different states, i sincerely am begging you to look up your school district on Niche and see how the median property value compares to the national average. If you are going somewhere with enough resources that you feel Calc III would have benefited a large number of students, you were probably going to a very wealthy, very white, very stable school, and further resources would be frankly wasted on you in comparison to some of the schools I went to over my schooling.
Current AP Precalc student here. I’m a junior right now and this is my first AP alongside AP English Lang. While it’s pretty challenging, it’s barely more difficult than Alegbra 2. And if that’s the case, I can’t imagine how easy Precalc is compared to other APs. Splitting it into AB and BC is a terrible idea. Not only is there not enough ground to cover, but I feel the point is to prepare you for AP calc, and AB definitely wouldn’t cut it.
I took AP Precalc at my school and honestly there was only 1 hard unit and that was it. And I thought I did bad on the exam but no I somehow got a 4. So yeah I agree to your point.
I don't think College Board not giving credit to students to who took Precalc before it was AP is all that crazy. I haven't heard them do that before so I don't think they have any kind of precedent for doing that. It definitely sucks that the course and test is not to regular AP level but if they don't already have a precedent for giving students credit for taking classes that later became AP I'm not mad that they didn't
Im kind of glad I took the class, because I cheated all through algebra 2 and realized I wasnt gonna make it in ap calculus without knowing basic algebra, so I tried in this class and got a 4, and I'm doing well in ap calculus now
Did not even know it existed. I took Calc BC back in high school and got a 5, and never once knew that this existed as a class you could take before that. The only prerequisites you really need for calculus are algebra, geometry and trigonometry. I only ever took an honors precalculus class.
the thing is ap precalc is standardized while normal/honors precalc isnt. since non-ap precalc varies a lot from school to school it can be hard going from it to ap calc or college level math so ap precalc would help mitigate that issue
Honestly while the exam was easy. The class was a nightmare with my teacher who honestly couldn’t teach it and tbh calculus ab/bc has been soo much easier because everything in precal could just be done easier in Cal ab.
the main benefit of AP precalc is the 5.0 scale. I'm taking it this year and so far my grade has legitimately never fallen below 95%. IMO if you are already going down the path of taking more APs towards junior/senior year, and you care about your GPA, taking AP precalc isn't that bad of an idea.
ap precalc at my school is so tough that most people who took ap precalc last year and are taking ap calc bc this year are saying they found ap precalc way way tougher and calc bc is way easier for them😭 apparently the ap exam itself for precalc was very easy and my school had an almost 100% pass rate for the exam, just that the class itself is very hard at my school oh yeah also my school teaches extra in ap precalc, for example we learn derivatives at the end of the year lol
My school allows us to take precalc in the same class as integrated 3 and college board is splitting it into two courses. Everyone who I took the class with is doing fine calc right now
Harvard doesn’t accept any AP credit at all. I know someone who is going there. They want you to take a bunch of AP classes to get into the school, but they don’t give you college credit for any of them. I think this is the same at a bunch of other top colleges
ap precalculus at my school is NOT easy. our teacher teaches very similarly to the ap calc teacher and is set on us learning proper mathematical notation in order to adequately prepare us for ap calc. he also splits tests into 1 day frq and 2 day mcq. The mcq questions are often taken directly from practice ap exams (which aren’t that bad tbh) but the frq section always has the most difficult and conceptually challenging material. his goals are to a) prepare us for the exam and for everyone to get a 5 b) properly prepare us for calculus with a deep understanding of pre calculus, concepts of calculus, and proper notation and c) get us to think like a mathematician. so no, at my school quizzes and tests are not easy, but it’s worth it. he has also said that at the end of the year he will test us on calc concepts to make sure we are ready to go into ap calc concepts. while i do think it is definitely an easier ap class, i think if taught properly it is not a joke class, but most of the time it isn’t taught properly. and i agree that ap precalc ab and bc is the dumbest thing i’ve ever heard of
In my school the old precalc curiculim was even more rigorus then ap precalc, leaving my year behind the other students who took calc BC (I'm taking calc BC rn) I think this year their trying to teach the course with a lot more rigor added so that next year the students are more prepared for calc bc
are passing rates not determined by percentiles in the us? Also, perhaps the passing rate is high because they understand precalculus is very useful in other fields of study, and dont want people to feel threatened by a big scary maths course.
@@alyme_r Yeah lol, the USA is a bit different. They have seperate percentages for a 5, 4, 3, 2 and 1 but I focused on the the percentage of people scoring a 3+ because a 3 and above is passing.
I mean kids who already took precal can just take the ap test and get an easy 5 if they want, you can enroll to take the ap test without being enrolled in the actual AP class, you just need to self study.
Wait, that's what this video is about? They're going to split it like AP Calculus? I thought I was going crazy at first because when I took AP Pre-Calculus it wasn't exactly easy. It wasn't too hard, but it wasn't easy. Yes, I agree that splitting it into 2 is a mistake, but bro, clarify that in the title or something. I didn't realize what you were referring to until the last 2 minutes
@mathvise in retrospect, I couldn't hear the video well where I was at and so I wasn't paying much attention. It caught me by surprise at the end when I heard that point, but i get it now. Maybe it's because all the AP classes I've taken have been the easy ones, but I still do not find AP precalc an easy AP. I am taking AP Chemistry right now and find it easier than precalc was, so maybe I'm just tripping
This is wrong. College board has stated that they have no plans onto splitting AP pre calculus in ab and bc. I think it was meant to be a joke that people took too seriously
Ngl AP Precalc is useless. If you are going to take a rigorous program in college like Science or Engineering, it's better to take AP Calc. If you are going to take a non-STEM program, you might as well take College Algebra and Stats in college. AP Precalc basically boils down to being too basic for STEM majors and unnecessarily complex for non-STEM majors
What do you guys think about AP Precalculus?
It's goofy
It's perfect
It’s insanely hard
Precalculus is Algebra III with some trig mixed in, you say Calc AB is harder "with most of the people taking that class being geniuses", but that just isn't true.
Calc I is primarily single variable differentiation with the basic principles of integration. The difficulty of Calc AB and Calc BC relative to the knowledge base at start compared to Precalculus relative to the knowledge base at start will consistently be easier for anybody who is studying and understanding the material correctly.
For quite a few people, trig sucks and isn't particularly intuitive, but if you get it down Calc I and Calc II are easy, beyond that at the college level these are all single semester courses, while precalculus and calc AB and BC are all over a year, with instruction every day in small classes rather than twice a week with classes of at minimum 30.
All of these classes are jokes, none of them are particularly difficult, and none of you are impressive for taking them, you're just more concerned with developing good study habits and making a nice admissions app than your peers.
Stop acting like an authority when you're a teenager, I don't want to be rude but my guy you don't even know what math is yet, your opinion will become valid once you've at least started real analysis and ORD, at the absolute minimum.
@@joshuagafarov6583we have Einstein over here
AP addition and subtraction when?
Lol
Imagine an AP arithmetic class where you just added, multiplied, subtracted, and divided big numbers by hand
@@somewhatfunnyguyy you say that, and yet as a witnesser of the pure horror that is "linear algebra"
by some miracle of god "AP Arithmetic" would be proof hell or some shit.. altho wait that'd actually be cool. A study of the proofs, axioms, etc behind our everyday arithmetic functions
they only have triple-pre-AP
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I think the college board wants another reason to charge students for overpriced exams
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From what I heard, the AP Precalculus course was taught by the AP Calculus BC teach as well at a school I went to. She prepared each student very well, with a 100% passing rate in her 5 bells she taught it. However, there was extreme rigor in the course. She purposely added calculus concepts into the notes for each unit to prepare the students for Calculus AB and BC. That way, when it came time for the exam, each student already knew how to apply the calculus concepts as well, like finding a secent line.
Along with that, I believe that the course prepares students well for future math classes. Many students know going into the course that they will be taking a Calculus course in the future, which is why they are taking the course. Providing the foundations of difficult concepts and applications, and simplifying them into more comprehensible units allows students to take the fundamental math study skills they have learned, and use it for the future.
That's a great teacher 👏
holy W teacher
I got a 4, but unfortunately our teacher was teaching precalc for the first time, and also absent almost everyday towards the end of the year. But the calculator section really tripped us up since our teacher never taught us how to be efficient with it or calculator questions to practice.
Yep, that also happened at my school. The class was pretty much self-taught, because the teachers we're given little material to teach it and they didn't know how. I can also agree with the calculator section being hard 😂
PreCalc was the worst and hardest class I've taken. It tanked my gpa. I don't know if it was my teacher or myself that was the problem but it was horrendous. Calculus on the other hand is easy.
Fr. I don’t fucking know how people think this is easy
They should have made AP linear algebra or AP multi variable
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Took precalc honors at my school and we covered more topics in that class than what the ap class seems to cover (we did chapters 4-9, then we did chapter 2 and 11 which were:
Ch 4 - trig functions (graphs, inverses, stuff like that)
Ch 5 - analytic trigonometry (equations with trig functions in them)
Ch 6 - vectors (and also representing complex numbers using trig functions)
Ch 7 - partial fraction decomposition (we only spent 2 classes on this though)
Ch 8 - summation, series, sequences, binomial theorem, probability
Ch 9 - polars and parametrics
Ch 2 - going back to rational functions just as a refresher (we spent 2 classes on this maximum)
Ch 11 - limits and continuity
I noticed that on the ap precalc course description, the first 2 units are the same as the latter half of what I did in algebra 2 honors
Basically, Ap precalc is stupid
Yeah Precalculus isn't a college class, it's a high school class. Next thing you know, they will have AP Algebra 1 AB.
and AP Geometry
@@RealMysticalMan What the hell are you talking about man lmao, precalc is absolutely a college class, its just rare to see STEM majors take it. Fuck, college algebra is a common first semester of freshman year course for non STEM undergrads. You'd go insane in a "calculus for business majors" course.
Lord, what is it with moderately intelligent yet thoroughly unremarkable high schoolers and massive egos? Was I this bad as a kid? I've gotta go apologize to my mom.
As a math PhD student I thought pre calculus was harder than calculus.
only bc they cram more shit into your head at a faster pace
bro imagine AP Geometry
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I took AP precal last year and I got a 5. I took algebra 2 pre AP the year before that and I found that algebra 2 was much harder than AP precal and AP precal was literally everything in alg 2 except trig and easier. I am now in calc bc and getting cooked
Yep, AP Precal doesn't prepare students for AP Calculus BC and it's just a re-run of Algebra 2. 😔
Is it weird that I find calculus easier than precalc? There are just more rules to learn, not necessarily tedious math unless it's some practice problem meant to give you a headache
@@zielonythewolf5069 well you still do precalc in calculus itself...
@@bosssnurp5912 of course. I never implied you could do calculus without Pre-Calculus, but what I'm saying is that it is not a giant leap of understanding. I could theoretically learn all the Pre-Calculus concepts inside of calculus and find that they were somehow more annoying than calculus itself. The gap between calculus and algebra 2 was small compared to algebra 2 and Pre-Calculus in my opinion. Maybe I just earned brain cells throughout the years, but yeah, I do think it's easier.
@@zielonythewolf5069 I felt that algebra 2 and precalc were nearly identitcal. I did learn trig in my algebra 2 course, so that could explain why I felt the two were so similar.
Lokey Honors Precalculus might be harder looking at my own school’s curriculum
Unit 1: Trigonometry
1.1 Trigonometric Functions and The Unit Circle
1.2 Graphing Trigonometric Functions
1.3 Inverse Trigonometric Functions
1.4 Verifying Trigonometric Identities
1.5 Solving Trigonometric Equations
1.6 Law of Sines and Cosines
1.7 Complex Numbers & Polar Equations
1.8H Honors Only: Vectors
Unit 2: Extension of Functions
2.1 Polynomial Functions
2.2 Rational and Radical Functions
2.3 Exponential and Logarithmic Functions
2.4H Honors Only: Conics
Unit H: Honors Only - Series
H.1 Binomial Theorem
H.2 Introduction to Sequences
H.3 Arithmetic and Geometric Sequences and Series
Unit 3: Introduction to Calculus
3.1 Limits
3.2 Continuity
3.3 Derivatives
3.4 Applications of Derivatives
Now let’s compare to the college board curriculum
Unit 1: Polynomial and Rational Functions
30%-40%
Unit 2: Exponential and Logarithmic Functions
27%-40%
Unit 3: Trigonometric and Polar Functions
30%-35%
Unit 4: Functions Involving Parameters, Vectors, and Matrices (not assessed on the Ap exam)
Not only do I think my schools curriculum looks better (never took precalculus), but it looks like it actually prepared students for Ap Calculus
Exactly!
Where did you get the information about AP Precalc getting split into AB and BC? Do you have a link?
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its not about rigor, its about making college board money.
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How about an AP linear algebra or AP number theory😅 I like the idea of adding more AP math classes, but they need to expand their scope a little more.
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Took AP Precalc last year (was the highest math rigor at my school, algebra I freshman, geometry sophomores, algebra ii juniors, precalc for math wiz seniors, math making decisions otherwise), and I think this course has complete MERIT of being an AP and was a much needed class the College Board should have been had.
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@@maranisha. People really don't understand that AP Precalc is LITERALLY College Algebra, and College Precalculus like seriously. I speak from expirence, as I took College Algebra right afterwards, and it was just the first unit of AP Precalc.
Getting the credit saves the burden of taking an entire year of math, or opting into a test that colleges ENSURE students fail to avoid students w/ unclear background knowledge fail Calculus I. I have a friend who goes to Georgia Tech, despite the countless number of AP Calc BCs, he said only 4 people out of hundreds made it to Calc. Ironically, GT also accept a 4 on the AP Precalc exam, a score 20%-ish people got.
This course was never meant to please the genius brainiacs in schools who have 10 trillion AP offerings, or AP Calc BC, people taking Multivariable Calc at their highschool, or people who want a extremely difficult-selective and impossible AP course to brag to admission officers (even when they don't care in the slightest). It was meant to open the idea of early college credit to those in low-income areas, where you aren't expected to take APs, where AP score waivers are common and USED. There are hundreds if not thousands of state schools, community colleges, and trade schools that have College Algebra and Precalc. Istg this "AP Precalc is stupid" or "Precalc is not college material" talk is no stupid, because yes, IT IS. It undermines the difficulty of the course, and undermines the people who took/struggled with College Algebra, or took College Precalc.
For me personally, that course eliminated any gaps of knowledge from the past 3 years during which math teachers literally had to skip entire units because the class simply did not understand the content. All within one year countless gaps of knowledge from 9-12th Grade Math was filled and I am so incredibly thankful for that.
I don't mean to rant, it's just that i'm extremly passionate on this LMAOO
AP Precalculus has the potential for alot. Precalculus is a course that many colleges have and sometimes perquisites calculus (even if you took it already as credit form). Although my school doesn't offer AP they offer DC/DE precal and from what I heard its the hardest course in the school. I feel like it should be as difficult to the point of many college (800-1400) take the credit compared to the only 400 that currently do. Good video. I also never heard of precal AB/BC.
@@studded8054 Yeah I totally agree. Precalculus honors I heard had more rigor and difficulty before it was replaced with AP Precalculus. It is definitely useful but I think the college board is making it easier than it should be. And most people haven’t heard of the AB/BC because it’s new this year. But yeah it’s different across schools.
@@mathvise My school had up to calc 3 and precalc DE was the hardest. Gotta be some kinda middle ground between honors and DE that majority of colleges will accept.
@@mathviseTrig equations were a bit tricky at first, memorizing all those trig identities were terrible, and I remember struggling a lot on that finding the trig form of this complex number(there was also an exponential form). Those were my biggest difficulties in class and it may have been amplified because it was a summer class that was 1 month long instead of 2.
College Board should pivot in the opposite direction and make AP Calc CD (AB->BC->CD) which is basically Calc3/Multivariable Calc
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In what world would that be a decent decision? If you really are gung ho about this, you can take a Calc III class at a local community college, or you can see if any universities near you offer a summer school option. I'll likely be having my little sister go up to Linear Algebra and ORD at rice over her summers in the future.
Small piece of advice, whenever you think you have a good idea about education reform, ask yourself "how much money would this cost, how many students would it benefit, and to what degree would it benefit them?" before remembering that of the more than 50,000,000 public school students in this country, many do not even have access to AP Calc BC.
Speaking from the experiences of somebody who went to 3 different highschools in 3 different states, i sincerely am begging you to look up your school district on Niche and see how the median property value compares to the national average.
If you are going somewhere with enough resources that you feel Calc III would have benefited a large number of students, you were probably going to a very wealthy, very white, very stable school, and further resources would be frankly wasted on you in comparison to some of the schools I went to over my schooling.
Current AP Precalc student here. I’m a junior right now and this is my first AP alongside AP English Lang. While it’s pretty challenging, it’s barely more difficult than Alegbra 2. And if that’s the case, I can’t imagine how easy Precalc is compared to other APs. Splitting it into AB and BC is a terrible idea. Not only is there not enough ground to cover, but I feel the point is to prepare you for AP calc, and AB definitely wouldn’t cut it.
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I took AP Precalc at my school and honestly there was only 1 hard unit and that was it. And I thought I did bad on the exam but no I somehow got a 4. So yeah I agree to your point.
Imagine AP Logic and AP Sociology
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I don't think College Board not giving credit to students to who took Precalc before it was AP is all that crazy. I haven't heard them do that before so I don't think they have any kind of precedent for doing that. It definitely sucks that the course and test is not to regular AP level but if they don't already have a precedent for giving students credit for taking classes that later became AP I'm not mad that they didn't
Im kind of glad I took the class, because I cheated all through algebra 2 and realized I wasnt gonna make it in ap calculus without knowing basic algebra, so I tried in this class and got a 4, and I'm doing well in ap calculus now
Did not even know it existed. I took Calc BC back in high school and got a 5, and never once knew that this existed as a class you could take before that. The only prerequisites you really need for calculus are algebra, geometry and trigonometry. I only ever took an honors precalculus class.
I looked it up and no sources say anything about Precalculus going to be split into 2 courses (AB and BC)
the thing is ap precalc is standardized while normal/honors precalc isnt. since non-ap precalc varies a lot from school to school it can be hard going from it to ap calc or college level math so ap precalc would help mitigate that issue
guys, AP arithmetic
Honestly while the exam was easy. The class was a nightmare with my teacher who honestly couldn’t teach it and tbh calculus ab/bc has been soo much easier because everything in precal could just be done easier in Cal ab.
It says its a free AP credit for students in the state of Florida--We do not have to pay for the exam
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Oh. That's why I aint need to do nun in fau lmao
the main benefit of AP precalc is the 5.0 scale. I'm taking it this year and so far my grade has legitimately never fallen below 95%. IMO if you are already going down the path of taking more APs towards junior/senior year, and you care about your GPA, taking AP precalc isn't that bad of an idea.
At my school, the regular precalc class and the ap one have the same difficulty tests apparently
I didn't even know AP Precalc was a thing...
They just added it a year ago. Sadly, people that took honors didn’t get any credit-
@@mathvise I'm pretty sure I took precalc around 5 years ago or something lol.
Oh wow.. it definitely didn’t exist then 😂
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ap precalc at my school is so tough that most people who took ap precalc last year and are taking ap calc bc this year are saying they found ap precalc way way tougher and calc bc is way easier for them😭 apparently the ap exam itself for precalc was very easy and my school had an almost 100% pass rate for the exam, just that the class itself is very hard at my school
oh yeah also my school teaches extra in ap precalc, for example we learn derivatives at the end of the year lol
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My school allows us to take precalc in the same class as integrated 3 and college board is splitting it into two courses. Everyone who I took the class with is doing fine calc right now
Harvard doesn’t accept any AP credit at all. I know someone who is going there. They want you to take a bunch of AP classes to get into the school, but they don’t give you college credit for any of them. I think this is the same at a bunch of other top colleges
ap precalculus at my school is NOT easy. our teacher teaches very similarly to the ap calc teacher and is set on us learning proper mathematical notation in order to adequately prepare us for ap calc. he also splits tests into 1 day frq and 2 day mcq. The mcq questions are often taken directly from practice ap exams (which aren’t that bad tbh) but the frq section always has the most difficult and conceptually challenging material. his goals are to a) prepare us for the exam and for everyone to get a 5 b) properly prepare us for calculus with a deep understanding of pre calculus, concepts of calculus, and proper notation and c) get us to think like a mathematician. so no, at my school quizzes and tests are not easy, but it’s worth it. he has also said that at the end of the year he will test us on calc concepts to make sure we are ready to go into ap calc concepts. while i do think it is definitely an easier ap class, i think if taught properly it is not a joke class, but most of the time it isn’t taught properly. and i agree that ap precalc ab and bc is the dumbest thing i’ve ever heard of
my brain turned off in the first 10 seconds
I personally think AP Precalculus (and AP College Algebra) is for students applying to community colleges
They don't have an AP College Algebra though?
can u up the voice i cant hear what ur saying
In my school the old precalc curiculim was even more rigorus then ap precalc, leaving my year behind the other students who took calc BC (I'm taking calc BC rn)
I think this year their trying to teach the course with a lot more rigor added so that next year the students are more prepared for calc bc
I decided to take AP Calc AB instead of AP Precalc this year bc I actually want to challenge myself
are passing rates not determined by percentiles in the us? Also, perhaps the passing rate is high because they understand precalculus is very useful in other fields of study, and dont want people to feel threatened by a big scary maths course.
ok nvm after watching this video it is a joke, wtf usa
@@alyme_r Yeah lol, the USA is a bit different. They have seperate percentages for a 5, 4, 3, 2 and 1 but I focused on the the percentage of people scoring a 3+ because a 3 and above is passing.
@@alyme_rPrecalculus is useful BUT most colleges require higher than pre calc to look impressive, and AP pre calc is a joke of an AP
I mean kids who already took precal can just take the ap test and get an easy 5 if they want, you can enroll to take the ap test without being enrolled in the actual AP class, you just need to self study.
Wait, that's what this video is about? They're going to split it like AP Calculus? I thought I was going crazy at first because when I took AP Pre-Calculus it wasn't exactly easy. It wasn't too hard, but it wasn't easy. Yes, I agree that splitting it into 2 is a mistake, but bro, clarify that in the title or something. I didn't realize what you were referring to until the last 2 minutes
That was just a side note. This video is about the course rigor and how easy it is compared to other AP courses.
@mathvise in retrospect, I couldn't hear the video well where I was at and so I wasn't paying much attention. It caught me by surprise at the end when I heard that point, but i get it now.
Maybe it's because all the AP classes I've taken have been the easy ones, but I still do not find AP precalc an easy AP. I am taking AP Chemistry right now and find it easier than precalc was, so maybe I'm just tripping
This is wrong. College board has stated that they have no plans onto splitting AP pre calculus in ab and bc. I think it was meant to be a joke that people took too seriously
Im in a ap precal class and im failing lmao
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Bro that course is probably meant for freshman
Ngl AP Precalc is useless. If you are going to take a rigorous program in college like Science or Engineering, it's better to take AP Calc. If you are going to take a non-STEM program, you might as well take College Algebra and Stats in college. AP Precalc basically boils down to being too basic for STEM majors and unnecessarily complex for non-STEM majors
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