There's this side quest where a criminal turned to religion and wants to be crucified on camera, at one point V & Johnny start debating on the nature of Johnny being here in V's mind, if he's a ghost or a spirit, or if God exist and all. It was one of the game's most interesting moments
Yeah there's tons of interesting and amazing moments in the game. It took me 109 hrs to beat my first playthrough, only things I didn't complete was all of the gigs and after listening to some reviews and discussions I'm honestly shocked how many people just drove from point A to point B, main mission to main mission, and "beat" the game in 20-30 hours. I think Cyberpunk rewards the kind of player who slows down and takes in the sights and sounds of Night City.
I really didn't like that quest, simply because you don't even get the chance to save the vengeful husband, or kill that pink haired bitch who tells the cop to shoot you
When Kerry said "this gun almost shot you. And before that it almost shot..." And stops, it really hit me, his depression wasn't just for PR and we basically saved his life. He came out the shower with his gun meaning if he hadn't heard us play, he was about to kill himself.
Dude, that River quest, with the Cow cartoon, that shit actually gave me pause. This game is awesome. Chippin' In is a damn good quest line too. So glad I decided to side quest once I got the point of no return notice, instead of rushing to the end. Next play through I'm comin for you Goro, fuck what Johnny says!
Rivers quest about the cow cartoon was amazing! It felt like a Dexter episode and I was conflicted with how I felt about the mentally unstable killer after seeing bds of his abuse from his dad from his perspective.
Man that was one of the creepiest quest i’ve experienced. That cartoon is so eerie and disturbing. Then the barn with people being treated like cattle to add onto it.. Very unsettling and well crafted.
@@xanndovo facts. I also could have sworn that there was a woman behind the plastic curtain in one frame of the bd then gone the next. Could have been a bug but it def made me take my sweet, scaredy cat time walking around in there
@@donnytheflow i think the woman was the kids mother. He feels responsible for her death since his dad blames him for it. Just like how he sees the cow that died bc of him not giving it hormones. He seems to have schizophrenia or ptsd. Very sad stuff
Totally agree, I have seen a number of reviewers saying the game lacked "heart/soul"..I really don't see it. I think those people playing/consuming the main story alone miss out on the more emotional/creative parts of the world and/or story.
Yes ! Just like the people saying in their reviews that the game doesn't address the "big questions" like transhumanism and its effects on what it means to be human, or how it can go too far. And I'm sitting here asking myself: am I playing the same game as those people ?... Everything they wanted the game to address is in the side content
It is strange because to me - there were no main and not main game missions. Everything in this game felt connected and meaningful. There are no "lets put more of this so the game would be played longer" crap, like Assassins Creed for example. No, the game was just too ambitious for its own good, but its better to go down in a blaze, than to live a mundane life. That ideology is just what CDPR and this game are. Beautiful mess for many, but almost glitchless to some. My second favorite game of all time.
People who review the game rush the main story to be the first to post about the endings usually. Also agreed with the game being a beautiful mess, gave me VtM:B (my fav game ever) vibes in that regard.
I agree. The moment I listened to a review and they said, I beat it in about 20 or 30 hours, I was like nah dude you didn't. They just rushed the review out to compete with others for views and clicks.
Conversation with the doll at Clouds in act 2 was...it hit hard, it hit personal. Fortunately I don't have drastic tech issues and I'm used to early access jank, but I wholeheartedly recommend waiting a few months, a few patches, before divin' into this game. It's just too good to be ruined by tech issues.
@@Nick-kb2jc agreed, Im playing simultaneously on my PS4 and PC (Nomad for the PS and StreetKid for the latter) and both actors have their highs. Specially the sadness and mellow of female V and the anger and bluntness of male V, superb job on their part.
Ive played through the game twice and I cant bring myself to "use them". They are all in such a fucked situation and I just need info, felt like I owe it to them to be honest and get what I was there for. I immediately call out the safe word soon as the lights dim.
Yeah, Johnny's questline really brings the whole story together. I don't understand why it's optional. The emotional impact the ending had on me would not have been half as powerful had I not done this quest. It's absolutely crucial
It's optional because it was kinda the point. The idea that these tender, human moments can be missed only add to their importance and impact. There's the main quests, what you have to do, and then the side gigs are what you want to do, and you don't have to help Johnny, but if you do you're rewarded with more than just experience, but an opportunity to understand and bond with him, like how a similar situation would in the real world. The game wants you to forge these connections and live your life, and the side gigs add to that greatly.
I like important stuff being optional because it means it is up to the player, V, to decide whether or not they care about Johnny (or any of the other characters with major quest chains). At least in scenarios such as in Cyberpunk, where important optional content isn't hidden, and doesn't require finicky pre-requisites, you just need to show interest in what's in front of you.
If I hadn't done that side quest, I don't think I would've had the ending I did, that being (spoilers inbound) taking the Aldecados to Mikoshi and then ultimately giving the body to Johnny. V didn't have anything to prove anymore. They had a family, one that they'd made. They would be remembered by the ones they loved. Johnny got a chance to finally stop living for making an impact and live for himself, thanking V at their grave before taking a bus out of Night City and leaving his old habits behind. It's bittersweet as hell, but it really encapsulates the "it's never too late to change" and the "the things you do have more of an impact then you know" messages of the game. It's a shame it's presented in a visual manner that's so poor when the story it's trying to tell had me in tears.
@@chickensoupboi But then you have people who play this because they hear the story is great even if you don't like the mechanics, rush through the main quest thinking that's basically the story, and then reach the end and don't get what the big deal was. It's just a shame that something this important can and will be missed by a lot of people.
@@RuptimusPrime the story by itself is good, and I will say I think they should have made it a bit more clear that the side quests were just as important, but otherwise i think my point still stands. The fact that it can be missed makes it all the more important imo. To better explain my point, the main gigs are what V has to do, while the side gigs are what you want to do. If you want to help someone out in real life, you dont get xp, you get opportunities to know, feel, understand, and bond with them. The same applies to the side quests to flesh out the human characters. You don't have to help Johnny, you don't have to help Panam, you don't have to help the Peralezs, but you have to save yourself and figure out the chip stuff before you die. Choosing to go out of your way to help them and becoming closer as a result adds to the sense of living the last moments of your life and the sense of player choice through actions prevelant through the game. They're not just side quests, they're people you could easily ignore, and that only adds to how treasured those moments should be. I think a lot if the people who did rush through the game probably didn't just do it because of mechanics but because they were just expecting a GTA clone and got pissed when they got an immersive sim RPG. These are probably the same people who were screaming at CDPR over why it was first person.
@@Nick-kb2jc no witcher 3 was a much easier task for them. The devs had to cut a lot more out for cyberpunk and unless their management tells them not to, they probably want to add in all the stuff they couldn’t before release. The current open world feels really shallow and a lot of the missions further into the game feel incomplete or rushed and it’s going to take them a long time to fix all of that if they want to
Oh that scene really changed my view on johnny. In my first run, I genuinely thought he'd be a duck for all, but then this happened and I suddenly started loving the character itself. Amazing writing by the team. They really let johnny's character bloom so much.
Even before that point there's always these slight hints and some paths in conversations that do point out that Johnny is a decent person once you get past the fifty layers of cynical asshole. Like, in the talk you have with him after capturing Hellman, he'll in some of the dialogue paths show genuine remorse about what's happening to V and flat-out state that nobody deserves to have that happening to them.
Right. I found it quite upsetting. All his swagger is finally stripped away as he sees he ended up in a landfill and Night City went on. It was a genuine moment.
Notice how he wasn’t wearing his body armor. He was opening up and was letting V “in” so to speak. Same thing occurs when you’re helping Panam when Johnny compares himself to you minus the “impressive cock” Little details like that blew me away.
With the amount of bandwagonning on the hate train for this game, I think time will be kind to this game. When the performance issues and bugs are a thing of the past and people have had a chance to really dig Into this game’s side content, I think this game will be remembered fondly in the same way the Witcher 3 is
I hope so, but this whole situation feels very similar to ME Andromeda's launch. Bugs made it hard for the average gamer to get into it, and after they got fixed most already wrote it off as a bad game. The CP2077 seems to be getting to the point of looking at the game beyond the jank, so maybe there's hope afterall.
I really hope so... This game was such an amazing experience for me, the city is the most impressive world i've seen in a game in my life, the story, the characters ... I'm so annoyed when i see people saying this game sucks because " the physic isn't as good as GTA " or " the water doesn't splash when you shoot it " when next to it, you have such good written quests and character, such a beautiful world to dive into. I still hope that they will fix the bugs, people will play this game the way is was intended and it will get the recognition it deserves
Nope. Unlike Witcher 3 your choices in anything don't matter until the very endgame. There's no choosing the ruler of Skellige, lending money to some dude to see him later as a washed up jester or a romance option that affects outcome of midgame fight and ending. Even the horseriding Gwent tourneys and fistfights had thought out writing behind them unlike the fistfights and races in this game. Don't get me started on the car buying or stop this gang texts. Far cry from permanently clearing bandit camps to restore villages and start treasure hunts from Witcher 3.
I never bother my mum with gaming stuff as she has no interest in games. But Cyberpunk makes me tell her what I've been doing in the game and it always leads to lengthy discussions about ethics, spirituality, the current state of the world and way more. I absolutely don't get how people can look at this and say that it's unnecessarily edgy and sexual when the game has so much thought-provoking stuff weaved into almost every side and main quest. For a game that is working with the concept of legacy so much, it's so sad to see that Cyberpunk will be remembered for its terrible launch and not for its many, many, many great aspects.
That may yet change though, I've actually seen people who harp on this flawed masterpiece claim that Fallout 4 had a perfect launch within the same paragraph, so in time, patches and DLC the bad launch may also fade away.
@@dorianmckenzie9888 The dolls lead to a conversation about prostitution and selling your body as a member of the workforce. The Delamain sidequest lead to a discussion on personality, mental illness and if AI qualifies as life. (Reminiscent of "does this unit have a soul?") The grieving neighbour sidequest lead to a conversation about loss and coping mechanisms. And there were many discussions about lobbyism in politics and the dismantling of democracy due to corporate influence and manipulation through corporate-lead media (Axel Springer for example).
That’s great that you are having those discussions! I feel the game is well written and has a great narrative. I keep coming back to a couple of points they make - you making your own choices and path, even if it doesn’t end well - you determine your future. Also - how will you be remembered by others and how did you impact someone’s life? If someone is only looking for a game that ‘is a shooter or sci-fi GTA’ it might not be the right game for them
As someone who used to play regular shows in a metal band this mission was nostalgic as hell. The dynamic between the characters as well as the vibe and setting of being on a stage is as real as it gets.
@@goroland6904 me too! and i am already planning my second playthrough. But for a half a year or so I will wait for patches and for my new gtx 3080 (I hope).
BTW, I think this game is beyond awesome in some senses, but I think its kinda funny how the lirics to the ending sound (Never fade away) fits the game's whole launch
@@AliAli-zv3fy it's kinda rude to make such offensively ironic comment. For the last couples of years, I personally liked only two games pretty much as like as cyberpunk - red dead redemption 2 and disco elysium. I understand that people can have a very negative impression of cyberpunk because of bugs and some problems with game design, balance and mechanics, but my playthrough was pretty much stable and I really enjoyed it. Story and the characters are absolutely great.
I love how much the game makes you feel his absence. You never really get to forget that you lost Jackie, even though you weren’t with him that long. And the fact that you can stop everything you’re doing, take your mind off the ticking clock to go honor your best choom is awesome.
@@tenacityxl you can also call him and leave a message after funeral. It's kinda touching, actually.. Also, when romancing Panam (at least that's how I got it) you tell her about Jackie and later she raises a toast in honor of him at campfire... I love these characters. They feel... real.
One of the stand out smaller quests I did was playing a game with River's niece and nephew. Great seeing a different side of him, and the kids trying to be hard cops had me laughing alot.
It was nice to see some technology that can improve kid's lives and really tie with their imagination. The future isn't all shit. Even some kids who live in a trailer park can afford this.
@@Jon_EL The whole dynamic between River, the kids, and his sister, is great. My favourite line one of the kids busts out is the, "I've been suspended once..." one.
I'm at 130 hours on pc and can't stop playing. The stories told in side quests, main missions and even side gigs are absolutely awesome. I loved so many of the characters I just wanted more to do with them all. Especially Kerry, Panam, Jackie, Judy and even Johnny.
Oh man, don't forget River Ward and the Peralezes, and the crucifixion and so much more... As much as I love RDR2 and how realistic and connected I felt to that game, there is something so... Hauntingly lonely about this game. The feeling of your one partner in crime/good buddy who truly was by your side in the big city who was wrenched away far too early (and this is a good thing from a storytelling perspective). Where you're forced to try to make human connections and contemplate what you actually want all on your own. Mama Welles and Misty and Vic say don't be a stranger but they're still grieving, and nothing is the same. And then you meet people like Jefferson Peralez and realise how truly fucked up the city/corpos are, and you start to get why Johnny is so goddamn angry. You see River and Judy and Panam and even Takemura and everyone all trying to live in the shadow of their own pasts too - the shadow of the city and the people who keep everything going in this twisted way. When you realise the civilians, gangs, employees and even nomads are all being manipulated somehow and it's all kind of connected. It's a harrowing thought. That everyone else is as fucked as you even with a ticking time bomb in your head. Yet all the side shit and the very human people you meet stand in stark contrast and it's all really, really powerful.
I’m happy people are really diving into the meat of the game. The Devs deserve all the praise for their hard work. Its such an amazing game that I wish was made under better circumstances and with more time to make it shine & the crunch & higher Ups/Management/Whoever was in charge of okaying the state of the game should be held over the fire for sure.
I just wish people would realize that writing, creating game mechanics, creating a huge world and the immense design that went into this game took a lot of time. Its no excuse for the crazy bugs but this is one time when I have no issue waiting on fixes.
That's spot on. I'm 70+ hours in and the crying shame is that it's not a bad game - I love the mechanics and the storytelling. It was clearly a game made by talented professionals under impossible circumstances, and I agree that the management should be held accountable.
Tbh as much as they were being crunched to hell for this, it's not just a matter of the publishers demanding too much from the devs. A massive part of developing anything is understanding how ambitious your idea is and whether or not you can actually pull it off in the current era. Deadlines exist not just to pressure devs but also because a certain amount of sales are needed to be able to actually get a return on investment. Consumers were demanding to the point of death threats trying to force the devs to release the game and NOW we're going to blame publishers for forcing a deadline? The world looks incredible and I'm incredibly impressed with what they were able to achieve here, but its clear that the game had no chance of releasing to the level of completion that the devs actually wanted in the current state of the gaming industry. Just like MGSV, Cyberpunk shows us how overly ambitious games are no longer incentivized not only by publishers, but also by the incredibly demanding gamers of today.
@@GoScience123 @balsanova sure, there were toxic fans who were pushing the game's release, but consumers are not at fault for management announcing new release dates to pressure their devs, mandating 6 day weeks, and lying to investors about the state of the game. Not least because, as loud as they may be, the entitled brat side of the fandom is a tiny minority. Fundamentally, this was a matter of poor management; although possibly a factor, fan toxicity is not the primary reason for the circumstances of the game's production, nor its current state. And if it did filter through in some way, this is once again a major failing of CD Projekt's managers for listening to it, given that it is the job of management to focus a project and keep things in perspective.
The problem is that gamers and game """"journalists"""" don't understand how the industry works. For example, when a bad movie comes out, you don't shout at the overworked camera worker or the sound guy, you blame the director, the producer and the writers. Why then, are hard working developers getting shit for blame that should go on publishers and high level management?
Absolutely agree. I wasn’t expecting to love Johnny’s character as much as I did. The scene at his grave is the best moment of the game and the fact that it is optional makes it even more impactful (imo)
I’m doing a second play through right now. It really helps remind how the first time you interact with Johnny he’s an absolute arsehole. It makes you change your mind about him as he changes his mind about you. Fantastic writing
Part of what makes all the side content of Cyberpunk 2077 so amazing to me is the fact that it can be missed, making it feel all the more important, emotional, sacred, and human. The game's story has mainly 4 themes: your life, your death, human relationships, and the legacy left behind by all three. The game's plot focuses on V having what is effectively a haunted inoperable brain tumor, and as a result V is given a new chance at whatever life he/she has left, interacting with friends, family, and leaving a positive, or in some cases an unfortunately negative or grey impact before what may be the inevitable end. It wants you to live your life and do what you can, while you can, before you can't anymore. Amazingly well written story elements like this is exactly why Cyberpunk 2077, despite it's many technical issues (trust me I'm playing on PS4 Pro, though it actually works much better than base console), has become one of my favorite game stories ever, and definitely my goty. It really sucks what's happening with the upper management at CDPR though, especially with crunch, which unfortunately is very personal to me since I had to live through it's effects all throughout my childhood due to my Dad going though similar abuses working in Cybersecurity, causing long term mental and physical health issues for both of us. As someone who has been directly affected by crunch and workplace abuse, I really wish that the criticism towards this game is directed at the higher ups, not CDPR as a whole, and that this game can hopefully recover. Also Writing on Games, or anyone else for that matter that may be reading, please have a happy holiday and good new year. We could all use that.
You perfectly summed up my thoughts on the game as well. I played on Xbox One X so it was at least playable, I feel terrible for all those at CD PR who worked on this game’s narrative and quests. They did absolutely spectacular work and created some of the best writing and characters in video games.
Indeed, I’m actually surprised that some of these side missions are not part of the main storyline considering how well done they were at making the whole story all the more connected and fulfilled. But I’m guessing it’s for those players who want a no relationship type of play style like a true solo. But for majority of the players, it’s a pity for those who skipped through and only focus on the main missions.
@@LitaviousBunvious i don't think they were a majority. Yeah, a lot of people did just skip through to just do main missions, but considering how the side quests give out precious XP, I think most people would have at least played through some of the character questlinee and smaller stories.
I feel like the only right way to play this game is to do side missions. They add so much to V's story, and have great moments. Like Trashing the boat with Kerry, Sitting around the fire with Panam and the nomads, Playing that Game with River and his niece and nephew, or Diving with Judy. Can't wait to replay this gamem
I legit enjoyed the game, stayed clear of most trailers and demos so I really didn't know what to expect, the experience I had was that of playing a Bethesda game with better writing and that's fine by me. It's all about managing your expectations and sadly with this game anything less than perfect would have been a disappointment for most people.
"To Jackie." For me, few games or movies trigger any emotional response when an protagonist loses their best friend, especially one used as comic relief. But Cyberpunk managed to do this exceptionally well. The ofrendo/funeral was touching and great storytelling, yet could be missed entirely depending on where you send his body and how you interact with his mother. Jackie is one of the reasons I look forward to my second playthrough, since I assume the intro mission where you meet him is different for all three backstories.
@@thomas.deliot in the ques with a little help from my friends you tell her about jackie. Later in the quest you are around a camp fire you need to chose the option to scorpion when in dialogue. Hope this helps !
The Kerry eurodyne yacht song It sounds like an early draft of a song, but it's probably the most beautiful thing I've heard in years, makes me want to defend it, even though I know it has problems, because it is not a bad game
Honestly tho It’s stuff like the discussion that it’ll cause that makes Cyberpunk not just one of the best stories in games, but a standout exceptional one across mediums outside of games too. Honestly might be the best in the cyberpunk genre overall
You don’t know how good it feels to have a big creator that I love actually defending this game, trust me I’m not defending CDPR, but this game is filled to the brim with beauty and enjoyment, the glitches are terrible, I understand, but this is still a great game, and I loved the story more than almost any I’ve gotten to experience in a while, I love hearing discussion like this, thank you
The game Is guaranteed to corrupt when the size of the save is too big. Making you restart or just finish the game fast and dont craft. Actually fucking broken
@XavierM See on my end I've no idea why people like the tabletop: it's absolute garbage tier setting, it's a wonder how they made the game as interesting as they did.
@@RuptimusPrime that's just a lie lol. The developer response on forums has been to tell people the game was never meant to be played that long and you shouldn't do too much crafting. They never patched it stop lying and I will lul when your save is corrupted because you didnt back up.
@@umadbroimatroll7918 Look up hotfix 1.06 patch notes. I mean, you admit to being a troll in your name so I don't know why I'm even bothering, but just in case anyone's reading this - This guy's trolling. Hotfix 1.06 fixed save file limitation.
True, and it was final quest of the best questline in the game. Whole story of search for Evelyn with Judy and then Judy trying to somehow avenge Evelyn was for me personally much, much better then the main story. The game would be many times better IMO if there was more quests about such common people then all this affair with Arasaka and biochip. First of all it is much more realistic questline. It shows common people losing with the city, its gangs and general evilness. It shows that person is there nothing, just a resource for gangs or corporations and it's weakness will be abused ruthlessly by others. At the same time the main story is a fairy tale in which we are a hero who brings to knees the most powerful corporation of the world (in most of the endings) with some help of powerful sorceress or goddess (played here by AI).
I hope at some point people chill out and actually play the game without a major bias from the start. There were many parts in this game that really got to me. Minor spoiler. Sliverhand talks about seeing corps come in and strip farmers of land and water and how they basically leave a wake of used up souls when they come through if I remember. It brought me back to my childhood seeing all these mom and pop business in my small town go out of business because they couldn't compete with Walmart. And I thought even as a kid that this is wrong. Crush the little guys and gals prospects and possibly dreams in the name of profit. Not quite from the start but maybe quicker than others I had already sided with silverhand. That's also a cool thing in the game to, how he sees you. I'm on a 3rd playthrough and idk what I did but he's way more hostile than he was on my others. Had no idea he was actually that big a douche and can see why others maybe just flat out didn't like him. Anyway, if you read this far, tryn have a good day, been rough out there
In spite of all its issues, 2077's side quests made me love it a heck of a lot. The death row one was an emotional gut-punch, and I've encountered a bunch of characters I genuinely cared about, which was an unexpected and pleasant surprise. There's plenty of legit reasons to not buy this game, but complaining that there's little to do outside the side quests seems a bit silly since the side quests are where the most interesting stuff happens.
@@AliAli-zv3fy There isn't only one way to make a game environment feel immersive. Doing it through side quests as opposed to emergent gameplay is a legit option, and it worked for me. It might not work for you (and you've totally played it, right?), but that doesnt mean the game isn't providing an immersive experience for others. Happy holidays!
@@Retrostar619 Yeah for me RDR2 was immersive as hell the first time through a 50 hour playthrough but I literally can't stand to play it again because of how tedious everything is. Like I'm okay with my video game feeling like a video game, I thought it was bad ass LITERALLY bending over, opening and picking everything up but it doesn't personally affect my immersion if I just look at something and pick it up and it just dissapears off the ground and is now in my inventory.
Nailing Stephenson to the cross was harrowing. I think, if you get that far, it's the right thing to do but it's pretty tough to do, even to what amounts to pixels and polygons.
The last one i have to do is the funeral one. I absolutely loved the panam and Judy ones the most by far as the bond that develops between you and them feels the strongest and most realistic.
The one mission that amazed me, was I fought the law. Everything related to that mayoral candidate subplot, was amazing writing. I only wish they had more time to expand on all of it.
I think they might because the mission Dream On felt like there was more. And at the part where you talk to Peralez at the bench to tell him the truth or lie, there is a balcony with a certain blue eyed character that appears in one of the endings. And out of so many side characters you meet, Peralez is one of the few that has an ending voicemail.
For me, it was the mission where Judy calls you over after Evelyn commits suicide. That’s when I finally fell in love with the game, and had my heart strings pulled at. It’s something I rarely see in the video games I’ve played, and I appreciate the way they handled a situation like that.
Thank you! You have put a lot of what I've felt about the game into words. Sure its not perfect and may not be what was promised years ago, but this game is still everything *I* wanted. The storyline is strong, the characters are strong, and the sidequests you can go on for them are strong as well. So many moments hit me like a Mac truck. The ending of act 1, the scene with the doll at Clouds, the convicted felon who wants to repent for his crimes, all memorable moments. And the depth and nuance they add to Johnny over the course of the game are fantastic. Hopefully, once the dust has settled and most of the major bugs are worked out, people who felt let down by the game will give it another chance, because it is well worth the time. I just hit 50 hours and just focusing on side quests and such before I do the final missions just because the side missions have proven to be equally as intriguing as the main one.
The part of this game that really showed that there’s a legit message and soul in it was the doll sequence. Having it go from an obvious sex sequence to being a deep dive therapy session and analysis of mortality and what it means to live vs survive and how to change seriously showed me that there’s a souls amongst the metal and scrap
My favorite five quests are Judy's Pyramid Song, Delamain's Epistrophy, River's The Hunt and Joshua's Sinnerman. The first gave you a very personal connection with Judy (more so than Johnny even), the second is generally a fun time discovering an AI trying to make sense of its personality(s), the third is nightmare fuel involving children and farms, and the fourth presents you an interesting dilemma about faith that can be hard to watch if you follow through with it. But the one that stuck with me most has to be the Jefferson and Elizabeth Paralez quest, how it ends (inconclusively) still gives me the heebie jeebies.
Main missions in this game are great. I just hope that there were more of them. I would easily trade the 110 ncpd mindless grinding missions for 10 more of those well written meaningful missions, maybe with Jackie, maybe with some other character.
Yeah about the only thing more I wanted from the main missions was the montage with jackie. I would have rather just done like 2 or 3 more missions with jackie with slight time skips or something.
Some of the NCPD missions weren't so grindy. I remember tossing a grenade into an "organized crime activity" on the top of a building only to find I was a wanted man and MAXTAC was going for my giblets. A bug? One frantic escape later, I returned to find the "crime" was the weekly payoff of some dirty cops. I'd just blown two of Night City's finest to chunky salsa.
For me the whole game, all your doings, helping others and all had the theme of hope!!! Even in my ending with Panam it screamed at me "You just fucked over Arasaka, got the impossible done and you think this little your about to die problem will stop you? Haaa as long as there's even the smallest amount of hope and chance V WILL!!! be saved". But its crazy that I could have missed that ending and had something I really didnt like by just not doing a few side missions and doing another ending... Thats amazing story telling.(maybe problems from moment to moment but the story as whole works)
I didn't even finished this side quest because I was paranoid about continuing to let Silverhand ... and like ... whether that would kill me before I got to Mikoshi. But Writing on Games is dead on about the element of hope in the face of darkness that is in this game. One of the most powerful moments for me was the end credits sequence where the game literally just plays what is in V's voice mail. If you've befriended people in your run, the game can just end with this tear jerkingly out pouring of love, support and well-wishing. And if your character dies, it is everyone mourning you
For me it's when i foundout about judy's past when i'm diving with her, i has a connection to some extend. Like her, i have to move from my childhood place 15yrs ago, although it's wasnt flooded but it was demolished for now just a road, and the river which i used to hangout at when i was a kid is now poluted beyond saving, but whenever i go on that road, i can see something to remind me of the childhood i once have and what make me a man i am now
I'm so happy to hear that I'm not alone in absolutely adoring this whole cheesy sidequest. I was home sick with covid when this came out and had plenty of time to enjoy it - I assumed it must have been the side effects from it that made me love this goofy sequence. Like you I was running around the stage and bobbing along. Genuinely love this game - Just wish it got some more time in the oven.
Not gonna lie, it's the small things that made me fall in love with this game. The side mission where you help out your neighbor has been my favorite so far.
I've had this video in my "watch later" ever since it came out I knew I would want to watch it eventually, and I knew that likely, it would help me find a description about my feelings Thank you for bringing words to my emotions
There's a lot of subtle things in this game that tackle subjects that would be done really heavy handedly in other games, or even maybe as part of their promotional material. There's a trans character who brings it up exactly once as a throwaway comment almost right before the end of her questline, for instance.
yep, imagine a trans character whos personality isn't just being trans, imagine showing actual respect. But everyone says the game is trasphobic because stuff.
This is EXACTLY kind of commentary I need ritght now. There are thouthands of other channels dumping on this game, to the point that I think "Is it wrong I enjoy it?"
It seems like most people only care about AI and interaction, which are probably the only flaws that separate this game from total perfection. If they care so much about AI that they can't see everything else, they better just play a technical demo.
IMO all the bad things in the gamr that people shit on are fixable. We're talking AI, bugs, optimization, ect. You cannot fix a broken story. If you release a game with a shitty story but no bugs and good AI, it's not gonna be a good game, it just gonna be there. This game managed to get their story right and a good environment, once they fix what needs to be fix, people are gonna look at this game as a really good one.
@@yeahboyz9314 I really don't know. People are also praising Bethesta in the lines of ''look some studio had a worse release'' which in my book is just false. I mean, FO76 wasn't playable on any thing and still has major performance issues. FO4 had an empty story and was filled with bugs at launch. I know CDPR used their reputation to hype the game and it is misleading, but let them correct their mistakes. The Witcher 3 had a shit ton of bugs, optimization issues and all that at launch, yet it is still considered one of the best games ever made. Cyberpunk has flaws, but they can correct them and had to what makes the game great with DLCs in the future.
@@reymjard5494 Well...you have to remember Bethesda is a loved developer. (And for all you may hate it, that's just the flat honest truth) everyone expects Bethesda to fail. Nobody really cares about CDPR on the extensive level for casual gamers and console players. (CDPR is infamously PC first. They may release for consoles but they're honestly pc company first.) And that's where it gets weird for CDPR, if this game had more time to bake in the oven it would've been praised and loved. However since ai is broken and people don't like inconvenience they go mad. Even though this game is a next gen game. It isn't going to run well on consoles 4 years old. I
The writing of Cyberpunk 2077 is absolutely beautiful. Sure there are bugs and shit. But the whole game is an incredible experience. At this point so many keyboard warriors just get off trashing the game it's pathetic.
Dude, the story has a lot of issues. Yes, many of the side quest and interactions with Johnny offer something beautiful, that shouldn’t mask the issues. Stop using the hate train defense as a way of blocking actual criticism.
@@odst123451 I’m not, the story has its issues yes, and I didn’t deny it. But it’s still a great story nonetheless, the side stories too. Criticism is fair, I am specifically addressing the hate train bandwagon, which is far more prevalent in most online communities than common criticism People who criticize this in the same ways they did things like Witcher or Mass Effect? Fair and an actual conversation? The majority of people online right now don’t do that tho
@@DavidHosey1 Mass effect 3's ending deserved the hate and I'd rather pretend Andromeda doesn't exist. The complaints about the Witcher seemed to be about gameplay. If the Witcher had a hate train, that's sad. I think the story ranges from average to good. It has to many problems. The biochip is the biggest one, imo.
@@odst123451 I disagree about 3’s ending once the extended cut was out but ig that’s subjective, andromeda was barely like the trilogy at all, and I don’t think Witcher had too much of one, but since it released in an extremely buggy and unfinished state it did for some time. Both Witcher and cyberpunk are definitely some of the best forms of rpg storytelling that you could ask for, up there with the greats like mass effect, Nier, and Yakuza
@@odst123451 sure there are a lot of reasonable criticisms a for this game. And I mean A LOT of them. But when you're denying that a lot of people bash this game just by repeating what's been said many times and giving absolute zero substance of their own you're just factually wrong. If you don't see that there is a hate train surrounding this game you're just as irrelevant to this conversation as the people who mindlessly defend everything about it.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. What I love about the way Johnny is presented, is that despite how schlocky he is early the game, the story goes to pretty impressive length to show that image of him is a fantasy and at his core he was a bitter, miserable man. He just bought into his own bullshit and was carried by more impressive people around him (Alt and Rogue). And in the end, he failed in spectacular fashion, and 50 years later the only thing left of him are some dusty records and a shitty mixed drink at The Afterlife. The sheer amount of heart in the game is a triumph, and hopefully the technical issues will be ironed out fast so more people can experience that.
To be honest there are traces of a phenomenal game in cyberpunk 2077, I just wish they hadn't rushed the game out just to release it in time for the holidays. I honestly didn't cared if they had delayed the game again, I mean Nintendo delayed Breath of the Wild like 2-3 years and in the end it became on of the greatest games. I still think CDPR is a good company, but they have permanently stained their image and I will never hold them in the same high regard I did before this game came out. I am still believe they can pull a No Man's Sky and make the game they wanted gamers to experience, and you can bet I will buy that game. I sincerely don't want a game company that I admired just be forever condemned just for rushing an unfinished masterpiece.
Nintendo can fuck right off though. I find it hard to respect anyone whining about CDPR when their precious consoles are being made with literal slave labor.
@@nulla2974 yeah, that's a though that crossed my mind too. But if the reason is so petty for a disaster this grand, that would be the most brainless move I could think of.
@@Nyles_FS I do agree with you, but it's not quite as petty as you think, it seems to have been planned since at least the original announcement, in 2013, the setting of the original edition of the tabletop game. Cyberpunk 2013, announce the game in 2013. Cyberpunk 2020, release the game in 2020. It's not petty, it's symbolic. That said, as much as I loved the game, myself, you're right, it's not a good *enough* reason for all of this.
@@morganbarnham5427 I had no idea Cyberpunk 2013 was even a thing, only heard of 2020. Damn, that's actually such a cool nod to the source material, sad to see it go down the drain like this.
For me there were two side quest lines that made me fall in love with this game. First was the Judy's line - mostly the scuba diving. The second quest line was Brandon's. Made me weep a little over a vending machine. What game could do that? There's a lot of heart in the game, sadly most people can't find it through the bugs and I honestly think your average players in 2020 don't have the mental capacity to dig deeper in any game. And that's honestly not the developers' fault.
This was a great breakdown. I too was shocked but incredibly happy with how hopeful the games narrative turned out to be. I absolutely adored Cyberpunk 2077
Some of the best missions and side missions I've ever seen. Johnny is a amazing character, especially towards the end. I love Judy and River Ward's side quests are some of the best side missions I've ever played in a game. The game can be very frustrating with bugs, but the characters, performances and stories are absolutely amazing.
It is crazy how characters like River Ward and the Peralazes has such a huge effect on my play through, but never appear in a single scene in the main story. I had this entire friendship with Judy, who I could have completely ignored after I found Evelyn. You literally have these moments with Panem and Judy where you can confess the existence of the Biochip to them which just goes to show you how completely fully formed these characters and your relationship with them is entirely outside the main narrative. Depending on how you play, Judy has a entire story about tracking down her best friend who has vanished into the dark underbelly of the city, finding that friend and only for them to commit suicide, making a new friend along the way, and trying to reform the futuristic brothels with them, only to decide it is best to just leave ... and within that the biochip is just a tidbit
The writing is amazing. Some of the storylines are amazing. Spoiler: I loved how V seemed desperate to stay alive. As someone who was homeless once, it felt real.
Which drives me nuts when people say this game isn't "true cyberpunk" or cyberpunk in name only. Cyberpunk the genre and the game have always been about saving yourself.
@@mandu6665 A lot of people can't deal with nuance in their portrayals. One shortsighted review condemned the game for rewarding violent cooperation with police; they'd clearly missed the bit where that included straight up hits on cops that wouldn't take a bribe. (You can also talk them out of their choices and not kill them. Hooray, cooperation!) Cyberpunk creator and 2077 lead writer Mike Pondsmith is a black man with a long history of ugly interactions with racist cops. He's the guy who presumably came up with Mr. Puggins. But for some people, that ain't enough.
I just finished playing Cyberpunk (after 1.5 patch). Man this game is really thoughtprovoking and makes you pause at times. Each of the characters are memorable and real. This game has that variety going on too from the beauty of Play it Safe to the thought provoking choices of Sinnerman and the grunt wrenching suspense of The Hunt and finally the more personal moment. This game very solidly written.
you gave me the chills... yeah, THIS quest brought the game home for me. i was having fun, bugs dont bother me after 20 years of Bethesda games... but I was actually (am still) bothered by the lack of life and content and AI; the police system, just the fact that the world is pretty window dressing for the most part, that got to me... but THIS questline, yeah, it was great. this game has fantastic characters, I think the story all-in-all is good, maybe great, defenetly not mind-blowing, but the individual characters are amazing. that kind of dissapoints me more though, its really bittersweet. when Im around charatcers that I'm supposed to give a shit about, EVERYTHING from level design to detail to dialogue improves dramatically; it shows they polished and really went to work on those sections, and the rest of the game just wasnt finished. compare the parade mission to the hour before or the hour after that mission, you'll see what I mean
I’m on PS4 and despite all the games graphical bugs and constant blue screening I’m genuinely in love with this game, CDPR may have jumped the gun with a lot of this graphical overhaul but the sheer attention to so many finite details that constantly get overlooked is incredible, not to mention these kinds of side quests that are truly a core experience in and of themselves. I personally have a lot of fun with this game, finding all the little secrets or taking a new life path, doing certain decisions differently, investing in different skill trees. I dunno I didn’t go into this game with the expectations most others went into it, hell I hardly paid much attention cause I wasn’t sure I wanted to play at all! But I’m still loving this game despite it’s flaws, there truly was some serious artists who poured their hearts and souls into this game and I appreciate them. I just wish whoever pushed the launch button would have just let them polish this enough to be a game everyone could have enjoyed
Exactly. Gamers are so conditioned to expect the same boring main quest/side quest formula from games like Fallout, GTA, Assassins Creed, and Far Cry that they can’t even fathom the idea that a game could have meaningful optional side content that actually adds to the experience of the main story. It’s like they don’t believe it when we say that it’s true.
@@Nick-kb2jc GTA, Fallout, AC Valhalla, FarCry 3, and many more games are way ahead of your CDPR Glitcher and Cyberbug crap. You want real writing? Check out Undertale, a RPG that trashes CDPR's entire line of games. Valhalla is superior to Cyberpunk as well but you probably didn't play Valhalla because of your baseless shit assumptions. Funny you mention GTA since Cyberbug is being compared to San Andreas and losing. 🤣
@@godlikecrazy6482 VideoGameDunkey said it best in his review. The characters in Cyberpunk have more personality and soul than any of the card board cut out characters that Ubisoft shits out. And you’re right, I didn’t play Valhalla. It’s hilarious how badly the Assassins Creed franchise wants to be the Witcher but just can’t 😂🤣
@@Nick-kb2jc Yeah that's all Dunkey does...talk. His game reviews aren't worth half of even IGN's. Go actually see something credible. Watch Cyberpunk vs San Andreas comparison and open your blind eyes. Sure don't play Valhalla and form a baseless assumption like I had rightly said earlier. It's funny you didn't mention GTA or Undertale, either you never played these or you just know that they beat CDPR games. 🤣 Enjoy your buggy Cybercrash and Glitcher trash, typical CDPR simp. All the games you mentioned will always be superior to CDPR, but nah, you keep simping.
The one thing I’ve seen next to no one complain about is the story. There are so many memorable moments, quests, and characters that you could spend days not even touching the main quest. And pretty much every quest adds something to the world, has a memorable moment or character, or made me laugh(the Ozob quest comes to mind for all three.) This game is something special, I just wished that those at the top realized before it was too late.
The writing, as you've mentioned, is the single greatest reason this game will survive forever. Bugs aside; the writing, and acting, are top fuckin notch. This mission, and so many others, that aren't even on the main storyline, define the creativity that's CDPR. Like... The Judy mission underwater? Jesus. So much great story in this game. Eff the bugs. This story is perfection.
I'm thorn between Panam's ending and Johnny's as my favorite. Panam's with the Star tarot card associated with hope really make me wish that V is gonna be alright and be able to live with his lover far away from a city that took everything from him. On the other end, Johnny tarot is the Sun, which mean success and in the ending you clearly see that V managed to attained the legendary status he wanted. I feel they each represent one of the two main components of the game. Panam representing somewhat the will to survive at any cost and to not be alone in death, something that becomes more predominant as you advance troughout the story with Johnny who I feel know that being a dead legend without anyone isn't really worth it. Johnny representing the success that V was after in the beginning of the game. I'm really excited for DLCs that are gonna flesh out more the endings and give us a closure to the game like Blood and Wine did with the Witcher
You're reflecting exactly my thoughts about the Game... That moment on the oilfield hit me so much... As well as everything else you talked about... It's about the "in-betweens" what makes this game so awesome... And yes, I also loved that they stayed so true to the Pen&Paper Vibe... Nostalgia, y'know :)
SECRET QUEST SPOILER.... My favorite was when I was going to the Clouds to meet Judy. I stopped my bike and parked at the right spot that triggers a quest where an AI soda machine greeted me. Told me jokes that I understood a bit. I was nice to him so he gave me a free soda. Asked me to move the dumpster that was blocking his view, so I moved it away, which he then gave me another soda. The ordeal fucked me in the head because I realized by the end of it that this AI was the most normal person in the entire city. Just some regular dude you meet and being friendly to and get friendly back. No catch or anything.
Story is ultimately short if you don't play any side missions. If you play side missions, you get options in the end. If you explore all options, it's long . Side quests influence main story so much more than any other game. Remember in witcher 3 your ending ultimately depended on 3 dialogue options with Ciri.
Honestly this mission was so great. Also, they got the directionality of the guitar amps on the stage!!! I loved that. Then I realized I had that in real life with a rock band, and was playing virtual gig in a video game instead of working on real music to play in real life, when I had just put together a studio to do exactly that, and I got sad guy vibes and turned off the game. Good game tho. It really is.
!MINOR SPOILER! What really made the game for me were the series of particular tiny interaction with/around Takemura. I was on my second playthrough and had completely missed it the first time around, because I was too eager to get to Wakako's office during "Down on the Street" mission. On my second try, I found myself looking around the Jig Jig street when some random old chap began to bug Takemura, having confused him for the Hideshi Hino, the comedian. Depending on how you interact with the two also affects how you can introduce Takemura to Wakako shortly after this scene, prompting a hilarious response from Goro. If this wasn't enough, if you later come across Hideshi Hino's poster in the game, V gets to additionally interact with it. The subtlety of the humour and the personal touch that this has added to V's and Goro's relationship really made me feel like I was fully immersed into this game's world - I was genuinely laughing and felt so connected with the main character and the Night City, the way no other game has made me feel before. All of this was easily missed, and I wonder if there is anything else similar that I haven't encountered yet. I guess I should consider myself lucky enough to have a good PC rig, but I've had just one crash during my 300 hours in Cyberpunk. I play a lot of indie/early access games to not be bothered by generic clipping or T-posing issues, heck I survived playing the release build of VTMB and enjoyed the heck out of it too. This game has a soul, through and through, and I actually find it peculiar how different people's experience with this game (based on player's interaction with the world and characters) is so vastly different. Kinda like different people's experience with life, depending on how people lead it. I think in that regard CDPR really succeeded in letting the players pick their own journey - my guess is, a lot of people's choices just plain out suck. This is some next gen level of meta, IMO.
I think this human side of the "grim future dystopia" is very relevant to the cyberpunk at the level of literature. It also reflects my pen and paper experience, as Cyberpunk 2020 and Shadowrun were some of my favourites. The world might be dystopian, but the people in that world can be complicated, compassionate and try to live their best regardless. It is not about descent to nihilistic darkness; it is also delight, passion and complicated human stuff.
Personally, I was expecting an open world like Kenshi, with RPG elements from Disco Elysium in the lifepaths. I was most excited for the storytelling and worldbuilding from Witcher 3, and in that, I found an amazing game. Yes there's a lot to critique, but this game's got soul, it's got the touch and combined vision of a lot of talented creatives who were passionate about making it authentic. Something that most big budget studios are still struggling with. We at least owe them a discussion on what they did right.
One of the moments that made me tear up was the epilogue messages after dying while doing the Don't Fear The Reaper solo run. Ouch. Great writing and acting, and great job making me care about how the people left behind felt about my death.
There is one of those gigs called "Dirty Biz", not even a side quest or anything, where you have to recover a braindance of the murder of a 12 old kid. I won't spoil anything, but that quest hit me hard, what a superb voice acting at the end. This game is really awesome.
There are a lot of such quests that just make go through them slowly to completely feel the tone. For me it was Pyramid song never was that indulged in a loyalty quest since mass effect series and the fact that every character has a personality and good enough development that it just keeps you involved is just neat also no i was looking for a video acknowledging the massive positives too.
This game does have some amazing quests, and those quests are the reality of how great of storytellers CDPR is. I love Cyberpunk despite all the bugs, I play on a base model Xbox one and still love and play it all for the amazing story
Haven't got to this mission yet but I feel the same way about pyramid song, the delamain quest line, and I fought the law. Mainly for the way the characters react to you, animate, and atmosphere which makes them seem so realistic.
Losing Jackie ripped my heart out, and that was early in the game, having done really only a few things with him, but he was such a great guy with such a big heart, so obviously deserving of that legendary status he was always chasing, and then having it taken from him so early. Then attending his funeral and seeing all that everyone had to say about him, after touring his garage with Misty, it was just such a deeply emotional moment, more than an hour of just talking and exploring around 2 rooms, getting a window into his life, this guy that I as a player barely knew, and my character V had only known for six months, but bonded so closely with. When a game can do that, and not bore you or make you gag, then it is a good damn game.
I feel for those who can not enjoy this gem, because of technical issues. I am so happy I could. I wish they would fix it in a month or two, so everybody, that waited, would get their chance. There very few really deep emotional games like this.
A lot of the main side missions are like this and show real effort and what the game might have been. Rivers quests, panams quests, judys quests, the peralezes, kerry’s missions, chippin in.
I finished this game recently on a base ps4 and while it is far from perfect in performance, the story kept me hooked. In my playthrough, the little bugs and glitches were easier to gloss over in the midst of a captivating story. I can't wait to see what this game becomes
@El Grande Smokio I know right? Same here, I’ve played all fallout games and the bugs in cyberpunk isn’t bad by comparison (apart the 8mb save corrupt)
Thank you for the positive content on cyberpunk. I’ve been drowning in other peoples negativity surrounding the game, when I just wanna talk about how much fun it is and how interesting and dynamic the characters are. I know the bugs suck but please blame the management at cdpr for rushing the game not the developers. Who are responsible for everything great about it. Edit: please note that I’m playing on a base ps4 and either I’m incredibly lucky, have an insane tolerance for bugs, or maybe, just maybe the hate is a bit over the top.
The title weirdly gives the impression that no quest before it would have made you defend the game, yet Chippin In' is almost always the last questline to do and there are so many brilliant quest just completely disregard by that title...
Having grown up playing games like until dawn, walking dead and life is strange really set me up to pay attention to everything this story has to offer. And underneath all the bugs and bullshit there really is a beautiful story waiting to be explored. Its just upsetting that things turned out the way they did.
There's a quest in the game that goes back to 7 years ago when you first see the trailer, there's a quest about the chick you see in the trailer, she is actually in the game
The Judy stuff toward the end was just as exceptional for myself, but I guess that's just me. I found the underwater sequence to be one of the most emotionally resonant pieces of the game (with absolutely killer audio composition). Some of the best stuff is in the side stories.
I consider myself lucky for not coming across any glitches or bugs during the missions that really mattered to me in my first playthrough. It made me recognise that even though the game is flawed beyond any reasonable measure and is basically a promise unfulfilled, It's still a great piece of writing. Johnny and V literally and figuratively growing on each other as you progress if you choose so. Judy's last mission being absolutely beautiful in all the ways possible and at a totally different pace from the rest of the game without feeling off. Yes, I simp for Judy, can't deny that. As others have already mentioned, conversations with Kerry, the BD with the Clouds doll, getting accepted into that one certain large family. Even River Ward's conclusion which seemed on the lighter side, those moments hit hard. Speaking of hitting hard, the end credits holo-calls for certain endings. Oof. I cannot see CDPR in the same light that I saw them before this game released, but that doesn't stop me from appreciating this game and the people actually responsible for making the content.
Bless your takes, my friend. I feel like the game's most profound moments (Pyramid Song really stuck with me) are buried deep within side-quests, right at the end of character arcs. I feel sorry for anyone who rushed through the mainline, because I know how much they'll have missed out on. It's not a game to be rushed. Bugs and all, it's most powerful moments are off the road, sitting quietly in scenarios which might pass you by if you're not paying close attention.
I love that this game is finally getting the attention it needs after the Edgerunners anime... Let's hope the dlc will be another great piece of storytelling like the main game
My favorite quest in this game is the one that happens after you help River rescue his nephew. Where he invites you over for dinner and the entirety of the quest is just having a good time with him and his family. Get the rice, talk to his sister, stir the gumbo, play the game with the kids. And those kids, I nearly died with laughter from their dialogue as they were "getting into character" for the game. I didn't let them win because the game told me to. I let them win because I genuinely wanted to see them win, but I cared enough to keep it just close enough so they would feel like they earned it. I've never had a game make me enjoy cooking food, eating food, losing a game, and then climbing a tower to drink and look at the city. I'm not sure what this means, but it means something for a game to reach me in this manner. I really don't care about any of the superficial problems of the game. They don't matter. You are supposed to sink into the experience and look for meaning, question yourself, understand your own motives, and maybe discover important things for your own life, like maybe I should let people help me when they want to, not because I need it, but because it makes them feel good and closer to me. What game has ever done that to me? None so far. This is what gaming should be, and where it should shine. Not in having the flashiest graphics or the most epic set pieces. But in having the most authentic stories with choices that genuinely feel meaningful, even beyond the choices programmed into the game. Beautiful.
Yeah I mean now that I think about it I didn't really understand or like johnnny till his side quest but afterwards it made me feel so much more in the ending
Thank you so much! I could rant for hours about the beauty and deep emotions of this game. Seriously im so overflowing with love for every detail of this game im tempted to make a video about it.
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There's this side quest where a criminal turned to religion and wants to be crucified on camera, at one point V & Johnny start debating on the nature of Johnny being here in V's mind, if he's a ghost or a spirit, or if God exist and all.
It was one of the game's most interesting moments
That side quest start like any other but does a 180 turn around, I love it, totally unexpected.
Lmao I mean. Hardly a debate. I felt they left that one completely unexplored.
That was my favorite side quest. It just goes totally off the rails into super weird territory.
Yeah there's tons of interesting and amazing moments in the game. It took me 109 hrs to beat my first playthrough, only things I didn't complete was all of the gigs and after listening to some reviews and discussions I'm honestly shocked how many people just drove from point A to point B, main mission to main mission, and "beat" the game in 20-30 hours.
I think Cyberpunk rewards the kind of player who slows down and takes in the sights and sounds of Night City.
I really didn't like that quest, simply because you don't even get the chance to save the vengeful husband, or kill that pink haired bitch who tells the cop to shoot you
When Kerry said "this gun almost shot you. And before that it almost shot..." And stops, it really hit me, his depression wasn't just for PR and we basically saved his life. He came out the shower with his gun meaning if he hadn't heard us play, he was about to kill himself.
This whole time I thought he was saying “Johnny almost shot me with this” bc I thought the gun be was Johnny’s old gun
That part where he shows V the song he's working on on the yacht and johnny is vibing in the background while he plays was so wholesome
The fact that the song was most likely created in homage to v and Johnny saving him also makes it more impactful
And then he gives V that gun to symbolize that he got out of his depression and put it behind him.
Jesus guys, I wish I caught all of this in my playthrough. Would've made me cry honestly.
Dude, that River quest, with the Cow cartoon, that shit actually gave me pause. This game is awesome. Chippin' In is a damn good quest line too. So glad I decided to side quest once I got the point of no return notice, instead of rushing to the end. Next play through I'm comin for you Goro, fuck what Johnny says!
Rivers quest about the cow cartoon was amazing! It felt like a Dexter episode and I was conflicted with how I felt about the mentally unstable killer after seeing bds of his abuse from his dad from his perspective.
Man that was one of the creepiest quest i’ve experienced. That cartoon is so eerie and disturbing. Then the barn with people being treated like cattle to add onto it.. Very unsettling and well crafted.
@@xanndovo facts. I also could have sworn that there was a woman behind the plastic curtain in one frame of the bd then gone the next. Could have been a bug but it def made me take my sweet, scaredy cat time walking around in there
@@donnytheflow nope that was purposeful. it's a shadow cast on a curtain but when you walk through there's nothing there.
@@donnytheflow i think the woman was the kids mother. He feels responsible for her death since his dad blames him for it. Just like how he sees the cow that died bc of him not giving it hormones. He seems to have schizophrenia or ptsd. Very sad stuff
Totally agree, I have seen a number of reviewers saying the game lacked "heart/soul"..I really don't see it.
I think those people playing/consuming the main story alone miss out on the more emotional/creative parts of the world and/or story.
Yes !
Just like the people saying in their reviews that the game doesn't address the "big questions" like transhumanism and its effects on what it means to be human, or how it can go too far.
And I'm sitting here asking myself: am I playing the same game as those people ?...
Everything they wanted the game to address is in the side content
It is strange because to me - there were no main and not main game missions. Everything in this game felt connected and meaningful. There are no "lets put more of this so the game would be played longer" crap, like Assassins Creed for example. No, the game was just too ambitious for its own good, but its better to go down in a blaze, than to live a mundane life. That ideology is just what CDPR and this game are. Beautiful mess for many, but almost glitchless to some. My second favorite game of all time.
People who review the game rush the main story to be the first to post about the endings usually.
Also agreed with the game being a beautiful mess, gave me VtM:B (my fav game ever) vibes in that regard.
I agree. The moment I listened to a review and they said, I beat it in about 20 or 30 hours, I was like nah dude you didn't. They just rushed the review out to compete with others for views and clicks.
It's lack heart and soul, dev team didn't get a chance to actually put their heart and soul into this game -_-
Conversation with the doll at Clouds in act 2 was...it hit hard, it hit personal.
Fortunately I don't have drastic tech issues and I'm used to early access jank, but I wholeheartedly recommend waiting a few months, a few patches, before divin' into this game. It's just too good to be ruined by tech issues.
Oh wow, yes, thank you. That was an amazing experience. Really sublime.
Female V’s voice acting performance was amazing during this moment and the whole game. She was the main highlight for me.
@@Nick-kb2jc agreed, Im playing simultaneously on my PS4 and PC (Nomad for the PS and StreetKid for the latter) and both actors have their highs. Specially the sadness and mellow of female V and the anger and bluntness of male V, superb job on their part.
Ive played through the game twice and I cant bring myself to "use them".
They are all in such a fucked situation and I just need info, felt like I owe it to them to be honest and get what I was there for.
I immediately call out the safe word soon as the lights dim.
Dark pillow talking. Sign me in for more!
Yeah, Johnny's questline really brings the whole story together. I don't understand why it's optional. The emotional impact the ending had on me would not have been half as powerful had I not done this quest. It's absolutely crucial
It's optional because it was kinda the point. The idea that these tender, human moments can be missed only add to their importance and impact. There's the main quests, what you have to do, and then the side gigs are what you want to do, and you don't have to help Johnny, but if you do you're rewarded with more than just experience, but an opportunity to understand and bond with him, like how a similar situation would in the real world. The game wants you to forge these connections and live your life, and the side gigs add to that greatly.
I like important stuff being optional because it means it is up to the player, V, to decide whether or not they care about Johnny (or any of the other characters with major quest chains).
At least in scenarios such as in Cyberpunk, where important optional content isn't hidden, and doesn't require finicky pre-requisites, you just need to show interest in what's in front of you.
If I hadn't done that side quest, I don't think I would've had the ending I did, that being (spoilers inbound) taking the Aldecados to Mikoshi and then ultimately giving the body to Johnny. V didn't have anything to prove anymore. They had a family, one that they'd made. They would be remembered by the ones they loved. Johnny got a chance to finally stop living for making an impact and live for himself, thanking V at their grave before taking a bus out of Night City and leaving his old habits behind.
It's bittersweet as hell, but it really encapsulates the "it's never too late to change" and the "the things you do have more of an impact then you know" messages of the game. It's a shame it's presented in a visual manner that's so poor when the story it's trying to tell had me in tears.
@@chickensoupboi
But then you have people who play this because they hear the story is great even if you don't like the mechanics, rush through the main quest thinking that's basically the story, and then reach the end and don't get what the big deal was.
It's just a shame that something this important can and will be missed by a lot of people.
@@RuptimusPrime the story by itself is good, and I will say I think they should have made it a bit more clear that the side quests were just as important, but otherwise i think my point still stands. The fact that it can be missed makes it all the more important imo. To better explain my point, the main gigs are what V has to do, while the side gigs are what you want to do. If you want to help someone out in real life, you dont get xp, you get opportunities to know, feel, understand, and bond with them. The same applies to the side quests to flesh out the human characters. You don't have to help Johnny, you don't have to help Panam, you don't have to help the Peralezs, but you have to save yourself and figure out the chip stuff before you die. Choosing to go out of your way to help them and becoming closer as a result adds to the sense of living the last moments of your life and the sense of player choice through actions prevelant through the game. They're not just side quests, they're people you could easily ignore, and that only adds to how treasured those moments should be.
I think a lot if the people who did rush through the game probably didn't just do it because of mechanics but because they were just expecting a GTA clone and got pissed when they got an immersive sim RPG. These are probably the same people who were screaming at CDPR over why it was first person.
The heart and soul is definitely there, now let's see if the body gets fixed in the future to be worthy of those two.
thematically appropriate
@@weak_username Huh, didn't notice but you are right.
I really really hope so, just like the Witcher 3 was fixed eventually.
let's see if the game can be playable on more than one platform. saying that alone is enough backing to call this game shit
@@Nick-kb2jc no witcher 3 was a much easier task for them. The devs had to cut a lot more out for cyberpunk and unless their management tells them not to, they probably want to add in all the stuff they couldn’t before release. The current open world feels really shallow and a lot of the missions further into the game feel incomplete or rushed and it’s going to take them a long time to fix all of that if they want to
The Johnny dialogue moment at his grave made me realize that V's finally cracked through and changed Johnny.
Oh that scene really changed my view on johnny. In my first run, I genuinely thought he'd be a duck for all, but then this happened and I suddenly started loving the character itself. Amazing writing by the team. They really let johnny's character bloom so much.
@@aditya9266 same!
Even before that point there's always these slight hints and some paths in conversations that do point out that Johnny is a decent person once you get past the fifty layers of cynical asshole. Like, in the talk you have with him after capturing Hellman, he'll in some of the dialogue paths show genuine remorse about what's happening to V and flat-out state that nobody deserves to have that happening to them.
Right. I found it quite upsetting. All his swagger is finally stripped away as he sees he ended up in a landfill and Night City went on. It was a genuine moment.
Notice how he wasn’t wearing his body armor. He was opening up and was letting V “in” so to speak.
Same thing occurs when you’re helping Panam when Johnny compares himself to you minus the “impressive cock”
Little details like that blew me away.
With the amount of bandwagonning on the hate train for this game, I think time will be kind to this game. When the performance issues and bugs are a thing of the past and people have had a chance to really dig Into this game’s side content, I think this game will be remembered fondly in the same way the Witcher 3 is
I hope so, but this whole situation feels very similar to ME Andromeda's launch. Bugs made it hard for the average gamer to get into it, and after they got fixed most already wrote it off as a bad game. The CP2077 seems to be getting to the point of looking at the game beyond the jank, so maybe there's hope afterall.
@@richardlont4480 they'll pull a ''no man's sky''
@Mikhail G What're you on about?
I really hope so... This game was such an amazing experience for me, the city is the most impressive world i've seen in a game in my life, the story, the characters ... I'm so annoyed when i see people saying this game sucks because " the physic isn't as good as GTA " or " the water doesn't splash when you shoot it " when next to it, you have such good written quests and character, such a beautiful world to dive into. I still hope that they will fix the bugs, people will play this game the way is was intended and it will get the recognition it deserves
Nope. Unlike Witcher 3 your choices in anything don't matter until the very endgame. There's no choosing the ruler of Skellige, lending money to some dude to see him later as a washed up jester or a romance option that affects outcome of midgame fight and ending. Even the horseriding Gwent tourneys and fistfights had thought out writing behind them unlike the fistfights and races in this game. Don't get me started on the car buying or stop this gang texts. Far cry from permanently clearing bandit camps to restore villages and start treasure hunts from Witcher 3.
Fantastic video. I'm absolutely shocked people are claiming Cyberpunk "lacks heart". What an absurd criticism.
I never bother my mum with gaming stuff as she has no interest in games. But Cyberpunk makes me tell her what I've been doing in the game and it always leads to lengthy discussions about ethics, spirituality, the current state of the world and way more.
I absolutely don't get how people can look at this and say that it's unnecessarily edgy and sexual when the game has so much thought-provoking stuff weaved into almost every side and main quest.
For a game that is working with the concept of legacy so much, it's so sad to see that Cyberpunk will be remembered for its terrible launch and not for its many, many, many great aspects.
That may yet change though, I've actually seen people who harp on this flawed masterpiece claim that Fallout 4 had a perfect launch within the same paragraph, so in time, patches and DLC the bad launch may also fade away.
¿Por que no los dos?
Can you share one of those moments? A side quest and the conversation it sparked between you and your mum. I really love things like that.
@@dorianmckenzie9888 The dolls lead to a conversation about prostitution and selling your body as a member of the workforce. The Delamain sidequest lead to a discussion on personality, mental illness and if AI qualifies as life. (Reminiscent of "does this unit have a soul?")
The grieving neighbour sidequest lead to a conversation about loss and coping mechanisms. And there were many discussions about lobbyism in politics and the dismantling of democracy due to corporate influence and manipulation through corporate-lead media (Axel Springer for example).
That’s great that you are having those discussions! I feel the game is well written and has a great narrative.
I keep coming back to a couple of points they make - you making your own choices and path, even if it doesn’t end well - you determine your future. Also - how will you be remembered by others and how did you impact someone’s life?
If someone is only looking for a game that ‘is a shooter or sci-fi GTA’ it might not be the right game for them
As someone who used to play regular shows in a metal band this mission was nostalgic as hell. The dynamic between the characters as well as the vibe and setting of being on a stage is as real as it gets.
the game is fucking awesome. finished yesterday, totally loved it despite all flaws
I am already hyped for the dlcs despite the rocky launch and bugs still existing,but i can't wait to see more from the game
@@goroland6904 me too! and i am already planning my second playthrough. But for a half a year or so I will wait for patches and for my new gtx 3080 (I hope).
BTW, I think this game is beyond awesome in some senses, but I think its kinda funny how the lirics to the ending sound (Never fade away) fits the game's whole launch
@@AliAli-zv3fy it's kinda rude to make such offensively ironic comment. For the last couples of years, I personally liked only two games pretty much as like as cyberpunk - red dead redemption 2 and disco elysium. I understand that people can have a very negative impression of cyberpunk because of bugs and some problems with game design, balance and mechanics, but my playthrough was pretty much stable and I really enjoyed it. Story and the characters are absolutely great.
@@AliAli-zv3fy if it’s not a new level of sarcasm then everything is fine man ;D
Man Jackie's funeral side mission made me see this is a special game
I love how much the game makes you feel his absence. You never really get to forget that you lost Jackie, even though you weren’t with him that long. And the fact that you can stop everything you’re doing, take your mind off the ticking clock to go honor your best choom is awesome.
The best choomba you could have, never forget.
@@tenacityxl you can also call him and leave a message after funeral. It's kinda touching, actually.. Also, when romancing Panam (at least that's how I got it) you tell her about Jackie and later she raises a toast in honor of him at campfire... I love these characters. They feel... real.
What quest was that? Did I miss one? I platinumed the game and just assumed I got them all. How do you activate it?
that chat you have with misty was the moment i knew this game was genius and no one was going to properly acknowledge how good of writing it has.
One of the stand out smaller quests I did was playing a game with River's niece and nephew. Great seeing a different side of him, and the kids trying to be hard cops had me laughing alot.
It was nice to see some technology that can improve kid's lives and really tie with their imagination. The future isn't all shit. Even some kids who live in a trailer park can afford this.
I just did that one it was so cute how into the kids sounded lol
@@Jon_EL The whole dynamic between River, the kids, and his sister, is great. My favourite line one of the kids busts out is the, "I've been suspended once..." one.
I’m doing that mission right now lol
All of the romance characters have great side quests. This is one of the only nice things I can say about this game, that I truly came to hate.
I'm at 130 hours on pc and can't stop playing. The stories told in side quests, main missions and even side gigs are absolutely awesome. I loved so many of the characters I just wanted more to do with them all. Especially Kerry, Panam, Jackie, Judy and even Johnny.
Right there with you. 200+ hrs and going to start a new game.
Oh man, don't forget River Ward and the Peralezes, and the crucifixion and so much more...
As much as I love RDR2 and how realistic and connected I felt to that game, there is something so... Hauntingly lonely about this game. The feeling of your one partner in crime/good buddy who truly was by your side in the big city who was wrenched away far too early (and this is a good thing from a storytelling perspective). Where you're forced to try to make human connections and contemplate what you actually want all on your own.
Mama Welles and Misty and Vic say don't be a stranger but they're still grieving, and nothing is the same.
And then you meet people like Jefferson Peralez and realise how truly fucked up the city/corpos are, and you start to get why Johnny is so goddamn angry. You see River and Judy and Panam and even Takemura and everyone all trying to live in the shadow of their own pasts too - the shadow of the city and the people who keep everything going in this twisted way. When you realise the civilians, gangs, employees and even nomads are all being manipulated somehow and it's all kind of connected.
It's a harrowing thought. That everyone else is as fucked as you even with a ticking time bomb in your head.
Yet all the side shit and the very human people you meet stand in stark contrast and it's all really, really powerful.
@@averylfong4843 I'll just come and say it: I like the way you think!
I’m happy people are really diving into the meat of the game. The Devs deserve all the praise for their hard work. Its such an amazing game that I wish was made under better circumstances and with more time to make it shine
& the crunch & higher Ups/Management/Whoever was in charge of okaying the state of the game should be held over the fire for sure.
I just wish people would realize that writing, creating game mechanics, creating a huge world and the immense design that went into this game took a lot of time. Its no excuse for the crazy bugs but this is one time when I have no issue waiting on fixes.
That's spot on. I'm 70+ hours in and the crying shame is that it's not a bad game - I love the mechanics and the storytelling. It was clearly a game made by talented professionals under impossible circumstances, and I agree that the management should be held accountable.
Tbh as much as they were being crunched to hell for this, it's not just a matter of the publishers demanding too much from the devs. A massive part of developing anything is understanding how ambitious your idea is and whether or not you can actually pull it off in the current era. Deadlines exist not just to pressure devs but also because a certain amount of sales are needed to be able to actually get a return on investment. Consumers were demanding to the point of death threats trying to force the devs to release the game and NOW we're going to blame publishers for forcing a deadline? The world looks incredible and I'm incredibly impressed with what they were able to achieve here, but its clear that the game had no chance of releasing to the level of completion that the devs actually wanted in the current state of the gaming industry. Just like MGSV, Cyberpunk shows us how overly ambitious games are no longer incentivized not only by publishers, but also by the incredibly demanding gamers of today.
@@GoScience123 @balsanova sure, there were toxic fans who were pushing the game's release, but consumers are not at fault for management announcing new release dates to pressure their devs, mandating 6 day weeks, and lying to investors about the state of the game. Not least because, as loud as they may be, the entitled brat side of the fandom is a tiny minority. Fundamentally, this was a matter of poor management; although possibly a factor, fan toxicity is not the primary reason for the circumstances of the game's production, nor its current state. And if it did filter through in some way, this is once again a major failing of CD Projekt's managers for listening to it, given that it is the job of management to focus a project and keep things in perspective.
The problem is that gamers and game """"journalists"""" don't understand how the industry works. For example, when a bad movie comes out, you don't shout at the overworked camera worker or the sound guy, you blame the director, the producer and the writers.
Why then, are hard working developers getting shit for blame that should go on publishers and high level management?
Absolutely agree. I wasn’t expecting to love Johnny’s character as much as I did. The scene at his grave is the best moment of the game and the fact that it is optional makes it even more impactful (imo)
I’m doing a second play through right now. It really helps remind how the first time you interact with Johnny he’s an absolute arsehole. It makes you change your mind about him as he changes his mind about you. Fantastic writing
Part of what makes all the side content of Cyberpunk 2077 so amazing to me is the fact that it can be missed, making it feel all the more important, emotional, sacred, and human.
The game's story has mainly 4 themes: your life, your death, human relationships, and the legacy left behind by all three. The game's plot focuses on V having what is effectively a haunted inoperable brain tumor, and as a result V is given a new chance at whatever life he/she has left, interacting with friends, family, and leaving a positive, or in some cases an unfortunately negative or grey impact before what may be the inevitable end. It wants you to live your life and do what you can, while you can, before you can't anymore. Amazingly well written story elements like this is exactly why Cyberpunk 2077, despite it's many technical issues (trust me I'm playing on PS4 Pro, though it actually works much better than base console), has become one of my favorite game stories ever, and definitely my goty.
It really sucks what's happening with the upper management at CDPR though, especially with crunch, which unfortunately is very personal to me since I had to live through it's effects all throughout my childhood due to my Dad going though similar abuses working in Cybersecurity, causing long term mental and physical health issues for both of us. As someone who has been directly affected by crunch and workplace abuse, I really wish that the criticism towards this game is directed at the higher ups, not CDPR as a whole, and that this game can hopefully recover.
Also Writing on Games, or anyone else for that matter that may be reading, please have a happy holiday and good new year. We could all use that.
Well said.
You perfectly summed up my thoughts on the game as well. I played on Xbox One X so it was at least playable, I feel terrible for all those at CD PR who worked on this game’s narrative and quests. They did absolutely spectacular work and created some of the best writing and characters in video games.
Indeed, I’m actually surprised that some of these side missions are not part of the main storyline considering how well done they were at making the whole story all the more connected and fulfilled. But I’m guessing it’s for those players who want a no relationship type of play style like a true solo.
But for majority of the players, it’s a pity for those who skipped through and only focus on the main missions.
@@LitaviousBunvious i don't think they were a majority. Yeah, a lot of people did just skip through to just do main missions, but considering how the side quests give out precious XP, I think most people would have at least played through some of the character questlinee and smaller stories.
I feel like the only right way to play this game is to do side missions. They add so much to V's story, and have great moments. Like Trashing the boat with Kerry, Sitting around the fire with Panam and the nomads, Playing that Game with River and his niece and nephew, or Diving with Judy. Can't wait to replay this gamem
Finally, a RUclipsr not making cheap clickbait videos and actually discussing what is there and not what was "promised." You earned a subscription.
Hell yeah, I'm so tired of the " this is bad" videos about cyberpunk, they really beat a dead horse the most they could
You don't think people should talk about a literal scam of incredible scale caused by corporate greed?
Yes, he's shilling good.
I legit enjoyed the game, stayed clear of most trailers and demos so I really didn't know what to expect, the experience I had was that of playing a Bethesda game with better writing and that's fine by me.
It's all about managing your expectations and sadly with this game anything less than perfect would have been a disappointment for most people.
If an company advertise something and they don't deliver they deserve any criticism they get.
Make sure to tell Panam about Jackie, one of the best moments in games IMO.
Kudos to whoever got that in.
"To Jackie."
For me, few games or movies trigger any emotional response when an protagonist loses their best friend, especially one used as comic relief. But Cyberpunk managed to do this exceptionally well. The ofrendo/funeral was touching and great storytelling, yet could be missed entirely depending on where you send his body and how you interact with his mother.
Jackie is one of the reasons I look forward to my second playthrough, since I assume the intro mission where you meet him is different for all three backstories.
@@CoryMcCarvilleSchueths what I loved the most about the Ofrenda was the possible choices for your last words to him.
Hey I might've missed that. At what point of Panam's quest line can you tell her about Jackie ? Thanks :)
@@thomas.deliot in the ques with a little help from my friends you tell her about jackie. Later in the quest you are around a camp fire you need to chose the option to scorpion when in dialogue. Hope this helps !
Yeah when she said “to Jackie” bruh i sat there and smiled. Panam is just perfect man.
The Kerry eurodyne yacht song
It sounds like an early draft of a song, but it's probably the most beautiful thing I've heard in years, makes me want to defend it, even though I know it has problems, because it is not a bad game
Listen to it before bed a lot haha. It's so calming
I honestly can't wait for all the big philosophical 3 hour long youtube videos about the game in the next coming years
Lmaooo true
Honestly tho
It’s stuff like the discussion that it’ll cause that makes Cyberpunk not just one of the best stories in games, but a standout exceptional one across mediums outside of games too. Honestly might be the best in the cyberpunk genre overall
You don’t know how good it feels to have a big creator that I love actually defending this game, trust me I’m not defending CDPR, but this game is filled to the brim with beauty and enjoyment, the glitches are terrible, I understand, but this is still a great game, and I loved the story more than almost any I’ve gotten to experience in a while, I love hearing discussion like this, thank you
The game Is guaranteed to corrupt when the size of the save is too big. Making you restart or just finish the game fast and dont craft. Actually fucking broken
@@umadbroimatroll7918 That's been patched already before you even commented this, lol
@XavierM See on my end I've no idea why people like the tabletop: it's absolute garbage tier setting, it's a wonder how they made the game as interesting as they did.
@@RuptimusPrime that's just a lie lol. The developer response on forums has been to tell people the game was never meant to be played that long and you shouldn't do too much crafting. They never patched it stop lying and I will lul when your save is corrupted because you didnt back up.
@@umadbroimatroll7918 Look up hotfix 1.06 patch notes. I mean, you admit to being a troll in your name so I don't know why I'm even bothering, but just in case anyone's reading this - This guy's trolling. Hotfix 1.06 fixed save file limitation.
"Pyramid Song" is my Standout Moment of Cyberpunk. Absolutely sunning and incredibly emotional.
Agreed. Just got done playing it today. It hit me emotionally in a way few quests have.
This is the besttttt
Same, it was directed so well I was completely fooled and sucked in, especially exploring her hometown in such a mysterious and melancholy way.
It was beautifully executed! High art in video games.
True, and it was final quest of the best questline in the game. Whole story of search for Evelyn with Judy and then Judy trying to somehow avenge Evelyn was for me personally much, much better then the main story. The game would be many times better IMO if there was more quests about such common people then all this affair with Arasaka and biochip. First of all it is much more realistic questline. It shows common people losing with the city, its gangs and general evilness. It shows that person is there nothing, just a resource for gangs or corporations and it's weakness will be abused ruthlessly by others. At the same time the main story is a fairy tale in which we are a hero who brings to knees the most powerful corporation of the world (in most of the endings) with some help of powerful sorceress or goddess (played here by AI).
I hope at some point people chill out and actually play the game without a major bias from the start. There were many parts in this game that really got to me. Minor spoiler. Sliverhand talks about seeing corps come in and strip farmers of land and water and how they basically leave a wake of used up souls when they come through if I remember. It brought me back to my childhood seeing all these mom and pop business in my small town go out of business because they couldn't compete with Walmart. And I thought even as a kid that this is wrong. Crush the little guys and gals prospects and possibly dreams in the name of profit. Not quite from the start but maybe quicker than others I had already sided with silverhand. That's also a cool thing in the game to, how he sees you. I'm on a 3rd playthrough and idk what I did but he's way more hostile than he was on my others. Had no idea he was actually that big a douche and can see why others maybe just flat out didn't like him. Anyway, if you read this far, tryn have a good day, been rough out there
In spite of all its issues, 2077's side quests made me love it a heck of a lot. The death row one was an emotional gut-punch, and I've encountered a bunch of characters I genuinely cared about, which was an unexpected and pleasant surprise. There's plenty of legit reasons to not buy this game, but complaining that there's little to do outside the side quests seems a bit silly since the side quests are where the most interesting stuff happens.
@@AliAli-zv3fy There isn't only one way to make a game environment feel immersive. Doing it through side quests as opposed to emergent gameplay is a legit option, and it worked for me. It might not work for you (and you've totally played it, right?), but that doesnt mean the game isn't providing an immersive experience for others. Happy holidays!
@@Retrostar619 Yeah for me RDR2 was immersive as hell the first time through a 50 hour playthrough but I literally can't stand to play it again because of how tedious everything is. Like I'm okay with my video game feeling like a video game, I thought it was bad ass LITERALLY bending over, opening and picking everything up but it doesn't personally affect my immersion if I just look at something and pick it up and it just dissapears off the ground and is now in my inventory.
@@AliAli-zv3fy Don't worry about it, I hope wherever you are you're having a good time!
@@WonOneWun Sounds like it's worth it for the one-off playthrough then? I'll get round to it one day.
Nailing Stephenson to the cross was harrowing. I think, if you get that far, it's the right thing to do but it's pretty tough to do, even to what amounts to pixels and polygons.
Rogue, Panam, Judy, and Kerry and going to Jackies funeral are my top side missions
The last one i have to do is the funeral one. I absolutely loved the panam and Judy ones the most by far as the bond that develops between you and them feels the strongest and most realistic.
The one mission that amazed me, was I fought the law. Everything related to that mayoral candidate subplot, was amazing writing. I only wish they had more time to expand on all of it.
I think they might because the mission Dream On felt like there was more. And at the part where you talk to Peralez at the bench to tell him the truth or lie, there is a balcony with a certain blue eyed character that appears in one of the endings. And out of so many side characters you meet, Peralez is one of the few that has an ending voicemail.
If you pay attention to the news snippets as you progress the story is continued. :)
Try shooting the blue-eyed man.
I’m on Xbox One and still having a pretty great time.
For me, it was the mission where Judy calls you over after Evelyn commits suicide. That’s when I finally fell in love with the game, and had my heart strings pulled at. It’s something I rarely see in the video games I’ve played, and I appreciate the way they handled a situation like that.
Thank you! You have put a lot of what I've felt about the game into words. Sure its not perfect and may not be what was promised years ago, but this game is still everything *I* wanted. The storyline is strong, the characters are strong, and the sidequests you can go on for them are strong as well. So many moments hit me like a Mac truck. The ending of act 1, the scene with the doll at Clouds, the convicted felon who wants to repent for his crimes, all memorable moments. And the depth and nuance they add to Johnny over the course of the game are fantastic. Hopefully, once the dust has settled and most of the major bugs are worked out, people who felt let down by the game will give it another chance, because it is well worth the time. I just hit 50 hours and just focusing on side quests and such before I do the final missions just because the side missions have proven to be equally as intriguing as the main one.
The part of this game that really showed that there’s a legit message and soul in it was the doll sequence. Having it go from an obvious sex sequence to being a deep dive therapy session and analysis of mortality and what it means to live vs survive and how to change seriously showed me that there’s a souls amongst the metal and scrap
Cyberpunk 2077 needed more sidequest, they are the stand out of the game
thats what DLC is for. to do every side quest in the game right now I believe it would take over 100 hours. which honestly is more than enough
My favorite five quests are Judy's Pyramid Song, Delamain's Epistrophy, River's The Hunt and Joshua's Sinnerman. The first gave you a very personal connection with Judy (more so than Johnny even), the second is generally a fun time discovering an AI trying to make sense of its personality(s), the third is nightmare fuel involving children and farms, and the fourth presents you an interesting dilemma about faith that can be hard to watch if you follow through with it. But the one that stuck with me most has to be the Jefferson and Elizabeth Paralez quest, how it ends (inconclusively) still gives me the heebie jeebies.
It continues in the news casts as you progress.
I guess you could say that you found this sidequest..... breathtaking.
YOU'RE BREATHTAKING!
You’re all breathtaking!!!
When you do this quest and get Johnny's stuff (plus two gigs) you get an achievement called "Breathtaking"
Main missions in this game are great. I just hope that there were more of them.
I would easily trade the 110 ncpd mindless grinding missions for 10 more of those well written meaningful missions, maybe with Jackie, maybe with some other character.
Yeah about the only thing more I wanted from the main missions was the montage with jackie. I would have rather just done like 2 or 3 more missions with jackie with slight time skips or something.
Some of the NCPD missions weren't so grindy.
I remember tossing a grenade into an "organized crime activity" on the top of a building only to find I was a wanted man and MAXTAC was going for my giblets. A bug?
One frantic escape later, I returned to find the "crime" was the weekly payoff of some dirty cops. I'd just blown two of Night City's finest to chunky salsa.
For me the whole game, all your doings, helping others and all had the theme of hope!!! Even in my ending with Panam it screamed at me "You just fucked over Arasaka, got the impossible done and you think this little your about to die problem will stop you? Haaa as long as there's even the smallest amount of hope and chance V WILL!!! be saved". But its crazy that I could have missed that ending and had something I really didnt like by just not doing a few side missions and doing another ending... Thats amazing story telling.(maybe problems from moment to moment but the story as whole works)
I didn't even finished this side quest because I was paranoid about continuing to let Silverhand ... and like ... whether that would kill me before I got to Mikoshi. But Writing on Games is dead on about the element of hope in the face of darkness that is in this game. One of the most powerful moments for me was the end credits sequence where the game literally just plays what is in V's voice mail. If you've befriended people in your run, the game can just end with this tear jerkingly out pouring of love, support and well-wishing. And if your character dies, it is everyone mourning you
"You stare for too long into abyss... it will stare right back at ya" - Johnny Silverhand
For me it's when i foundout about judy's past when i'm diving with her, i has a connection to some extend. Like her, i have to move from my childhood place 15yrs ago, although it's wasnt flooded but it was demolished for now just a road, and the river which i used to hangout at when i was a kid is now poluted beyond saving, but whenever i go on that road, i can see something to remind me of the childhood i once have and what make me a man i am now
I actually felt tears i my eyes over this side quest. But you said it better then I ever could. Well done puting words to my thoughts, my man
I'm so happy to hear that I'm not alone in absolutely adoring this whole cheesy sidequest. I was home sick with covid when this came out and had plenty of time to enjoy it - I assumed it must have been the side effects from it that made me love this goofy sequence. Like you I was running around the stage and bobbing along. Genuinely love this game - Just wish it got some more time in the oven.
Not gonna lie, it's the small things that made me fall in love with this game. The side mission where you help out your neighbor has been my favorite so far.
I've had this video in my "watch later" ever since it came out
I knew I would want to watch it eventually, and I knew that likely, it would help me find a description about my feelings
Thank you for bringing words to my emotions
There's a lot of subtle things in this game that tackle subjects that would be done really heavy handedly in other games, or even maybe as part of their promotional material. There's a trans character who brings it up exactly once as a throwaway comment almost right before the end of her questline, for instance.
yep, imagine a trans character whos personality isn't just being trans, imagine showing actual respect. But everyone says the game is trasphobic because stuff.
This is EXACTLY kind of commentary I need ritght now. There are thouthands of other channels dumping on this game, to the point that I think "Is it wrong I enjoy it?"
It seems like most people only care about AI and interaction, which are probably the only flaws that separate this game from total perfection. If they care so much about AI that they can't see everything else, they better just play a technical demo.
IMO all the bad things in the gamr that people shit on are fixable. We're talking AI, bugs, optimization, ect. You cannot fix a broken story. If you release a game with a shitty story but no bugs and good AI, it's not gonna be a good game, it just gonna be there. This game managed to get their story right and a good environment, once they fix what needs to be fix, people are gonna look at this game as a really good one.
@@reymjard5494 yup like how tlou2 story is beyond saving and why do people defending that shit
@@yeahboyz9314 I really don't know. People are also praising Bethesta in the lines of ''look some studio had a worse release'' which in my book is just false. I mean, FO76 wasn't playable on any thing and still has major performance issues. FO4 had an empty story and was filled with bugs at launch. I know CDPR used their reputation to hype the game and it is misleading, but let them correct their mistakes. The Witcher 3 had a shit ton of bugs, optimization issues and all that at launch, yet it is still considered one of the best games ever made. Cyberpunk has flaws, but they can correct them and had to what makes the game great with DLCs in the future.
@@reymjard5494 Well...you have to remember Bethesda is a loved developer. (And for all you may hate it, that's just the flat honest truth) everyone expects Bethesda to fail. Nobody really cares about CDPR on the extensive level for casual gamers and console players. (CDPR is infamously PC first. They may release for consoles but they're honestly pc company first.) And that's where it gets weird for CDPR, if this game had more time to bake in the oven it would've been praised and loved. However since ai is broken and people don't like inconvenience they go mad. Even though this game is a next gen game. It isn't going to run well on consoles 4 years old. I
The writing of Cyberpunk 2077 is absolutely beautiful. Sure there are bugs and shit. But the whole game is an incredible experience. At this point so many keyboard warriors just get off trashing the game it's pathetic.
One detail I noticed was that when Johnny was opening up to V and was being vulnerable he wasn’t wearing his body armor.
Finally someone who sees the amazing game that I've been playing, and doesn't just write it off by jumping on the hate train
Dude, the story has a lot of issues. Yes, many of the side quest and interactions with Johnny offer something beautiful, that shouldn’t mask the issues.
Stop using the hate train defense as a way of blocking actual criticism.
@@odst123451 I’m not, the story has its issues yes, and I didn’t deny it. But it’s still a great story nonetheless, the side stories too. Criticism is fair, I am specifically addressing the hate train bandwagon, which is far more prevalent in most online communities than common criticism
People who criticize this in the same ways they did things like Witcher or Mass Effect? Fair and an actual conversation? The majority of people online right now don’t do that tho
@@DavidHosey1 Mass effect 3's ending deserved the hate and I'd rather pretend Andromeda doesn't exist. The complaints about the Witcher seemed to be about gameplay. If the Witcher had a hate train, that's sad.
I think the story ranges from average to good. It has to many problems. The biochip is the biggest one, imo.
@@odst123451 I disagree about 3’s ending once the extended cut was out but ig that’s subjective, andromeda was barely like the trilogy at all, and I don’t think Witcher had too much of one, but since it released in an extremely buggy and unfinished state it did for some time. Both Witcher and cyberpunk are definitely some of the best forms of rpg storytelling that you could ask for, up there with the greats like mass effect, Nier, and Yakuza
@@odst123451 sure there are a lot of reasonable criticisms a for this game. And I mean A LOT of them. But when you're denying that a lot of people bash this game just by repeating what's been said many times and giving absolute zero substance of their own you're just factually wrong. If you don't see that there is a hate train surrounding this game you're just as irrelevant to this conversation as the people who mindlessly defend everything about it.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. What I love about the way Johnny is presented, is that despite how schlocky he is early the game, the story goes to pretty impressive length to show that image of him is a fantasy and at his core he was a bitter, miserable man. He just bought into his own bullshit and was carried by more impressive people around him (Alt and Rogue). And in the end, he failed in spectacular fashion, and 50 years later the only thing left of him are some dusty records and a shitty mixed drink at The Afterlife. The sheer amount of heart in the game is a triumph, and hopefully the technical issues will be ironed out fast so more people can experience that.
To be honest there are traces of a phenomenal game in cyberpunk 2077, I just wish they hadn't rushed the game out just to release it in time for the holidays. I honestly didn't cared if they had delayed the game again, I mean Nintendo delayed Breath of the Wild like 2-3 years and in the end it became on of the greatest games. I still think CDPR is a good company, but they have permanently stained their image and I will never hold them in the same high regard I did before this game came out. I am still believe they can pull a No Man's Sky and make the game they wanted gamers to experience, and you can bet I will buy that game. I sincerely don't want a game company that I admired just be forever condemned just for rushing an unfinished masterpiece.
This is just a thought but maybe they even wanted to release it in 2020 because of the tabletop being set during this year.
Nintendo can fuck right off though. I find it hard to respect anyone whining about CDPR when their precious consoles are being made with literal slave labor.
@@nulla2974 yeah, that's a though that crossed my mind too. But if the reason is so petty for a disaster this grand, that would be the most brainless move I could think of.
@@Nyles_FS I do agree with you, but it's not quite as petty as you think, it seems to have been planned since at least the original announcement, in 2013, the setting of the original edition of the tabletop game. Cyberpunk 2013, announce the game in 2013. Cyberpunk 2020, release the game in 2020. It's not petty, it's symbolic. That said, as much as I loved the game, myself, you're right, it's not a good *enough* reason for all of this.
@@morganbarnham5427 I had no idea Cyberpunk 2013 was even a thing, only heard of 2020. Damn, that's actually such a cool nod to the source material, sad to see it go down the drain like this.
For me there were two side quest lines that made me fall in love with this game. First was the Judy's line - mostly the scuba diving. The second quest line was Brandon's. Made me weep a little over a vending machine. What game could do that? There's a lot of heart in the game, sadly most people can't find it through the bugs and I honestly think your average players in 2020 don't have the mental capacity to dig deeper in any game. And that's honestly not the developers' fault.
Finally! Someone else who likes the game!!! I mean I love the game, but this is refreshing!
This was a great breakdown. I too was shocked but incredibly happy with how hopeful the games narrative turned out to be. I absolutely adored Cyberpunk 2077
Thank you for this. Enjoying this game has been a very isolating experience for me. It's so nice to finally see a positive take on it.
Some of the best missions and side missions I've ever seen. Johnny is a amazing character, especially towards the end. I love Judy and River Ward's side quests are some of the best side missions I've ever played in a game. The game can be very frustrating with bugs, but the characters, performances and stories are absolutely amazing.
It is crazy how characters like River Ward and the Peralazes has such a huge effect on my play through, but never appear in a single scene in the main story. I had this entire friendship with Judy, who I could have completely ignored after I found Evelyn. You literally have these moments with Panem and Judy where you can confess the existence of the Biochip to them which just goes to show you how completely fully formed these characters and your relationship with them is entirely outside the main narrative. Depending on how you play, Judy has a entire story about tracking down her best friend who has vanished into the dark underbelly of the city, finding that friend and only for them to commit suicide, making a new friend along the way, and trying to reform the futuristic brothels with them, only to decide it is best to just leave ... and within that the biochip is just a tidbit
The writing is amazing. Some of the storylines are amazing. Spoiler: I loved how V seemed desperate to stay alive. As someone who was homeless once, it felt real.
Which drives me nuts when people say this game isn't "true cyberpunk" or cyberpunk in name only. Cyberpunk the genre and the game have always been about saving yourself.
@@mandu6665 A lot of people can't deal with nuance in their portrayals. One shortsighted review condemned the game for rewarding violent cooperation with police; they'd clearly missed the bit where that included straight up hits on cops that wouldn't take a bribe. (You can also talk them out of their choices and not kill them. Hooray, cooperation!)
Cyberpunk creator and 2077 lead writer Mike Pondsmith is a black man with a long history of ugly interactions with racist cops. He's the guy who presumably came up with Mr. Puggins.
But for some people, that ain't enough.
I just finished playing Cyberpunk (after 1.5 patch). Man this game is really thoughtprovoking and makes you pause at times. Each of the characters are memorable and real. This game has that variety going on too from the beauty of Play it Safe to the thought provoking choices of Sinnerman and the grunt wrenching suspense of The Hunt and finally the more personal moment. This game very solidly written.
you gave me the chills... yeah, THIS quest brought the game home for me. i was having fun, bugs dont bother me after 20 years of Bethesda games... but I was actually (am still) bothered by the lack of life and content and AI; the police system, just the fact that the world is pretty window dressing for the most part, that got to me... but THIS questline, yeah, it was great.
this game has fantastic characters, I think the story all-in-all is good, maybe great, defenetly not mind-blowing, but the individual characters are amazing. that kind of dissapoints me more though, its really bittersweet. when Im around charatcers that I'm supposed to give a shit about, EVERYTHING from level design to detail to dialogue improves dramatically; it shows they polished and really went to work on those sections, and the rest of the game just wasnt finished. compare the parade mission to the hour before or the hour after that mission, you'll see what I mean
I’m on PS4 and despite all the games graphical bugs and constant blue screening I’m genuinely in love with this game, CDPR may have jumped the gun with a lot of this graphical overhaul but the sheer attention to so many finite details that constantly get overlooked is incredible, not to mention these kinds of side quests that are truly a core experience in and of themselves. I personally have a lot of fun with this game, finding all the little secrets or taking a new life path, doing certain decisions differently, investing in different skill trees. I dunno I didn’t go into this game with the expectations most others went into it, hell I hardly paid much attention cause I wasn’t sure I wanted to play at all! But I’m still loving this game despite it’s flaws, there truly was some serious artists who poured their hearts and souls into this game and I appreciate them. I just wish whoever pushed the launch button would have just let them polish this enough to be a game everyone could have enjoyed
Everyone complaining that the story is "bad" or to short don't understand that most of the story is optional.
Exactly. Gamers are so conditioned to expect the same boring main quest/side quest formula from games like Fallout, GTA, Assassins Creed, and Far Cry that they can’t even fathom the idea that a game could have meaningful optional side content that actually adds to the experience of the main story. It’s like they don’t believe it when we say that it’s true.
Yep. People saying the story was 20hrs is bs. It’s a decent 40hours with the important side quests included.
@@Nick-kb2jc GTA, Fallout, AC Valhalla, FarCry 3, and many more games are way ahead of your CDPR Glitcher and Cyberbug crap. You want real writing? Check out Undertale, a RPG that trashes CDPR's entire line of games. Valhalla is superior to Cyberpunk as well but you probably didn't play Valhalla because of your baseless shit assumptions. Funny you mention GTA since Cyberbug is being compared to San Andreas and losing. 🤣
@@godlikecrazy6482 VideoGameDunkey said it best in his review. The characters in Cyberpunk have more personality and soul than any of the card board cut out characters that Ubisoft shits out. And you’re right, I didn’t play Valhalla. It’s hilarious how badly the Assassins Creed franchise wants to be the Witcher but just can’t 😂🤣
@@Nick-kb2jc Yeah that's all Dunkey does...talk. His game reviews aren't worth half of even IGN's. Go actually see something credible. Watch Cyberpunk vs San Andreas comparison and open your blind eyes. Sure don't play Valhalla and form a baseless assumption like I had rightly said earlier. It's funny you didn't mention GTA or Undertale, either you never played these or you just know that they beat CDPR games. 🤣 Enjoy your buggy Cybercrash and Glitcher trash, typical CDPR simp. All the games you mentioned will always be superior to CDPR, but nah, you keep simping.
The one thing I’ve seen next to no one complain about is the story. There are so many memorable moments, quests, and characters that you could spend days not even touching the main quest. And pretty much every quest adds something to the world, has a memorable moment or character, or made me laugh(the Ozob quest comes to mind for all three.) This game is something special, I just wished that those at the top realized before it was too late.
Great video the characters in this game are truly worth connecting too
The writing, as you've mentioned, is the single greatest reason this game will survive forever.
Bugs aside; the writing, and acting, are top fuckin notch. This mission, and so many others, that aren't even on the main storyline, define the creativity that's CDPR.
Like... The Judy mission underwater? Jesus.
So much great story in this game. Eff the bugs. This story is perfection.
Not wanna spoil it, but this mission is exactly why the Johnny ending is the most meaningful one.
Agreed. It's my favourite ending, but it's a shame most people didn't pick it.
I'm thorn between Panam's ending and Johnny's as my favorite. Panam's with the Star tarot card associated with hope really make me wish that V is gonna be alright and be able to live with his lover far away from a city that took everything from him. On the other end, Johnny tarot is the Sun, which mean success and in the ending you clearly see that V managed to attained the legendary status he wanted. I feel they each represent one of the two main components of the game. Panam representing somewhat the will to survive at any cost and to not be alone in death, something that becomes more predominant as you advance troughout the story with Johnny who I feel know that being a dead legend without anyone isn't really worth it. Johnny representing the success that V was after in the beginning of the game. I'm really excited for DLCs that are gonna flesh out more the endings and give us a closure to the game like Blood and Wine did with the Witcher
You're reflecting exactly my thoughts about the Game... That moment on the oilfield hit me so much... As well as everything else you talked about... It's about the "in-betweens" what makes this game so awesome...
And yes, I also loved that they stayed so true to the Pen&Paper Vibe... Nostalgia, y'know :)
SECRET QUEST SPOILER....
My favorite was when I was going to the Clouds to meet Judy. I stopped my bike and parked at the right spot that triggers a quest where an AI soda machine greeted me. Told me jokes that I understood a bit. I was nice to him so he gave me a free soda. Asked me to move the dumpster that was blocking his view, so I moved it away, which he then gave me another soda. The ordeal fucked me in the head because I realized by the end of it that this AI was the most normal person in the entire city. Just some regular dude you meet and being friendly to and get friendly back. No catch or anything.
Yeah, Brendan! What a dude! He put a smile on my face.
Story is ultimately short if you don't play any side missions. If you play side missions, you get options in the end. If you explore all options, it's long . Side quests influence main story so much more than any other game. Remember in witcher 3 your ending ultimately depended on 3 dialogue options with Ciri.
Honestly this mission was so great.
Also, they got the directionality of the guitar amps on the stage!!! I loved that. Then I realized I had that in real life with a rock band, and was playing virtual gig in a video game instead of working on real music to play in real life, when I had just put together a studio to do exactly that, and I got sad guy vibes and turned off the game. Good game tho. It really is.
!MINOR SPOILER! What really made the game for me were the series of particular tiny interaction with/around Takemura. I was on my second playthrough and had completely missed it the first time around, because I was too eager to get to Wakako's office during "Down on the Street" mission. On my second try, I found myself looking around the Jig Jig street when some random old chap began to bug Takemura, having confused him for the Hideshi Hino, the comedian. Depending on how you interact with the two also affects how you can introduce Takemura to Wakako shortly after this scene, prompting a hilarious response from Goro. If this wasn't enough, if you later come across Hideshi Hino's poster in the game, V gets to additionally interact with it. The subtlety of the humour and the personal touch that this has added to V's and Goro's relationship really made me feel like I was fully immersed into this game's world - I was genuinely laughing and felt so connected with the main character and the Night City, the way no other game has made me feel before. All of this was easily missed, and I wonder if there is anything else similar that I haven't encountered yet. I guess I should consider myself lucky enough to have a good PC rig, but I've had just one crash during my 300 hours in Cyberpunk. I play a lot of indie/early access games to not be bothered by generic clipping or T-posing issues, heck I survived playing the release build of VTMB and enjoyed the heck out of it too. This game has a soul, through and through, and I actually find it peculiar how different people's experience with this game (based on player's interaction with the world and characters) is so vastly different. Kinda like different people's experience with life, depending on how people lead it. I think in that regard CDPR really succeeded in letting the players pick their own journey - my guess is, a lot of people's choices just plain out suck. This is some next gen level of meta, IMO.
Kerry's sidequests that culminate with destroying a priceless guitar and setting fire to a yatch really made the game for me.
I think this human side of the "grim future dystopia" is very relevant to the cyberpunk at the level of literature. It also reflects my pen and paper experience, as Cyberpunk 2020 and Shadowrun were some of my favourites. The world might be dystopian, but the people in that world can be complicated, compassionate and try to live their best regardless. It is not about descent to nihilistic darkness; it is also delight, passion and complicated human stuff.
Personally, I was expecting an open world like Kenshi, with RPG elements from Disco Elysium in the lifepaths. I was most excited for the storytelling and worldbuilding from Witcher 3, and in that, I found an amazing game. Yes there's a lot to critique, but this game's got soul, it's got the touch and combined vision of a lot of talented creatives who were passionate about making it authentic. Something that most big budget studios are still struggling with. We at least owe them a discussion on what they did right.
One of the moments that made me tear up was the epilogue messages after dying while doing the Don't Fear The Reaper solo run. Ouch. Great writing and acting, and great job making me care about how the people left behind felt about my death.
There is one of those gigs called "Dirty Biz", not even a side quest or anything, where you have to recover a braindance of the murder of a 12 old kid. I won't spoil anything, but that quest hit me hard, what a superb voice acting at the end.
This game is really awesome.
There are a lot of such quests that just make go through them slowly to completely feel the tone. For me it was Pyramid song never was that indulged in a loyalty quest since mass effect series and the fact that every character has a personality and good enough development that it just keeps you involved is just neat also no i was looking for a video acknowledging the massive positives too.
This game does have some amazing quests, and those quests are the reality of how great of storytellers CDPR is. I love Cyberpunk despite all the bugs, I play on a base model Xbox one and still love and play it all for the amazing story
Over a year and a half later...this commentary still resonates extremely well. The game plays a heck of a lot better too. Thank you!
Haven't got to this mission yet but I feel the same way about pyramid song, the delamain quest line, and I fought the law. Mainly for the way the characters react to you, animate, and atmosphere which makes them seem so realistic.
Losing Jackie ripped my heart out, and that was early in the game, having done really only a few things with him, but he was such a great guy with such a big heart, so obviously deserving of that legendary status he was always chasing, and then having it taken from him so early. Then attending his funeral and seeing all that everyone had to say about him, after touring his garage with Misty, it was just such a deeply emotional moment, more than an hour of just talking and exploring around 2 rooms, getting a window into his life, this guy that I as a player barely knew, and my character V had only known for six months, but bonded so closely with. When a game can do that, and not bore you or make you gag, then it is a good damn game.
I feel for those who can not enjoy this gem, because of technical issues. I am so happy I could. I wish they would fix it in a month or two, so everybody, that waited, would get their chance. There very few really deep emotional games like this.
A lot of the main side missions are like this and show real effort and what the game might have been. Rivers quests, panams quests, judys quests, the peralezes, kerry’s missions, chippin in.
Honestly the side quests make this game’s writing pretty solid
I finished this game recently on a base ps4 and while it is far from perfect in performance, the story kept me hooked. In my playthrough, the little bugs and glitches were easier to gloss over in the midst of a captivating story. I can't wait to see what this game becomes
I think the bugs are endearing (minus the game breaking bugs) I love this game and I absolutely love the story
Honestly the game breaking ones are kinda useful in my case. Good reminders to go grab something to eat/drink or just go get some shuteye
@@firestorm165 this is actually a good thing 😃
@El Grande Smokio I know right? Same here, I’ve played all fallout games and the bugs in cyberpunk isn’t bad by comparison (apart the 8mb save corrupt)
Thank you for the positive content on cyberpunk. I’ve been drowning in other peoples negativity surrounding the game, when I just wanna talk about how much fun it is and how interesting and dynamic the characters are. I know the bugs suck but please blame the management at cdpr for rushing the game not the developers. Who are responsible for everything great about it.
Edit: please note that I’m playing on a base ps4 and either I’m incredibly lucky, have an insane tolerance for bugs, or maybe, just maybe the hate is a bit over the top.
Damn, been waiting on a video like this. Summed up alot of my thoughts about the whole game; awesome vid
The title weirdly gives the impression that no quest before it would have made you defend the game, yet Chippin In' is almost always the last questline to do and there are so many brilliant quest just completely disregard by that title...
Having grown up playing games like until dawn, walking dead and life is strange really set me up to pay attention to everything this story has to offer. And underneath all the bugs and bullshit there really is a beautiful story waiting to be explored. Its just upsetting that things turned out the way they did.
There's a quest in the game that goes back to 7 years ago when you first see the trailer, there's a quest about the chick you see in the trailer, she is actually in the game
You should make a video about the sinnerman side-quest line. So good.
I just wish that the emotional beats that were hit through Johnny's questline was present throughout the other side quests.
The Judy stuff toward the end was just as exceptional for myself, but I guess that's just me. I found the underwater sequence to be one of the most emotionally resonant pieces of the game (with absolutely killer audio composition).
Some of the best stuff is in the side stories.
Have u guys done the rogue cinema date? Man the score on that is dreamy asf 😍
bruh majority of Panam quests were sidequests and they were great.
Yeah this arc is one of the best side missions I’ve ever experienced in any game. The finale of playing on the stage with everyone was awesome imo.
I consider myself lucky for not coming across any glitches or bugs during the missions that really mattered to me in my first playthrough. It made me recognise that even though the game is flawed beyond any reasonable measure and is basically a promise unfulfilled, It's still a great piece of writing.
Johnny and V literally and figuratively growing on each other as you progress if you choose so.
Judy's last mission being absolutely beautiful in all the ways possible and at a totally different pace from the rest of the game without feeling off. Yes, I simp for Judy, can't deny that.
As others have already mentioned, conversations with Kerry, the BD with the Clouds doll, getting accepted into that one certain large family. Even River Ward's conclusion which seemed on the lighter side, those moments hit hard.
Speaking of hitting hard, the end credits holo-calls for certain endings. Oof.
I cannot see CDPR in the same light that I saw them before this game released, but that doesn't stop me from appreciating this game and the people actually responsible for making the content.
The quests make this game so good.
Bless your takes, my friend. I feel like the game's most profound moments (Pyramid Song really stuck with me) are buried deep within side-quests, right at the end of character arcs. I feel sorry for anyone who rushed through the mainline, because I know how much they'll have missed out on. It's not a game to be rushed. Bugs and all, it's most powerful moments are off the road, sitting quietly in scenarios which might pass you by if you're not paying close attention.
I love that this game is finally getting the attention it needs after the Edgerunners anime... Let's hope the dlc will be another great piece of storytelling like the main game
My favorite quest in this game is the one that happens after you help River rescue his nephew.
Where he invites you over for dinner and the entirety of the quest is just having a good time with him and his family. Get the rice, talk to his sister, stir the gumbo, play the game with the kids. And those kids, I nearly died with laughter from their dialogue as they were "getting into character" for the game. I didn't let them win because the game told me to. I let them win because I genuinely wanted to see them win, but I cared enough to keep it just close enough so they would feel like they earned it. I've never had a game make me enjoy cooking food, eating food, losing a game, and then climbing a tower to drink and look at the city.
I'm not sure what this means, but it means something for a game to reach me in this manner. I really don't care about any of the superficial problems of the game. They don't matter. You are supposed to sink into the experience and look for meaning, question yourself, understand your own motives, and maybe discover important things for your own life, like maybe I should let people help me when they want to, not because I need it, but because it makes them feel good and closer to me. What game has ever done that to me? None so far. This is what gaming should be, and where it should shine. Not in having the flashiest graphics or the most epic set pieces. But in having the most authentic stories with choices that genuinely feel meaningful, even beyond the choices programmed into the game.
Beautiful.
Yeah I mean now that I think about it I didn't really understand or like johnnny till his side quest but afterwards it made me feel so much more in the ending
Thank you so much! I could rant for hours about the beauty and deep emotions of this game. Seriously im so overflowing with love for every detail of this game im tempted to make a video about it.