Rewatched this video after working with Hazet and Stahlwille tools: What you should know: First, ALL tools in the video are quality tools, they are all good and miles away from the generic chinesium crap that is sold around. If you find ANY of these toolboxes at a discounted price, buy it with your eyes closed. Second, the Hazet and Stahlwille ratchets are the old type, now superseded with ones with more teeth which are smoother. The Stahlwille 1/4" ratchet with the green button is the new type, although both types old and new still exist. Also, both companies make ratchets with a button and without, reason being the ratchet without a button is always stronger. Third, as said in other comments the Stahlwille socket finish is a non issue. But you will see both Hazet and Stahlwille sockets have a round "step" inside so the bolt or nut will sit better. The others don't have that extra "step". This is important and a sign of quality. Fourth, the metal toolboxes are a requirement for some jobs, eg servicing factory equipment, farm machinery, or onshore and offshore oil installations. A plastic case in such job would break in no time. The metal toolboxes in the video are "extended" sets, not standard sets, there are standard sets from Hazet and Stahlwille that are cheaper. Thanks to the OP for the video and to everyone who commented.
As a professional truck mechanic I use several brands. Most of the time I don't get to choose what brand I get but I don't have to pay it myself either :-) When it comes to sockets I have Bahco, Gedore, Hazet, Koken, Würth Zebra, Facom, Apex... I don't have any favorites. They all break, but most of the time they get lost before you break them. Ratchets I have are Gedore (1/4 & 3/8) Würth Zebra for 1/2 and 1/4 and Hazet for 1/2. Maybe have some others to. I prefer the Würth for confined spaces, easy to switch directions. The Hazet or Gedore switch is superior, but can be harder to use in tight spots. I have used Facom, Stahlwille and other brands, but I don't like them. I don't know why, but I have them widely available but never pick them up. Same with screwdrivers. My hand always goes to Wera. Boxes is something we mostly don't care about. We have a tool cart to store all of our stuff. The box goes to the bin within minutes. Nice tools are fun, but in the end they are just tools, nothing more. It's never about the tools, always about the skills. You got to collect the tools you tend to like and ditch the others. Never stick to one brand, mix them all up.
If you do a repetitive job on the go, eg plant equipment installation or working on oil equipment you care about the box so that it won't break. Thats who these Stahlwille and Hazet sets are for, thats why they have sturdy metal boxes.
The Stahlwille sockets are not "damaged from the factory" with "chipped chrome" as you suggested. The chrome is not chipped in those sockets. Rather, the Stahlwille sockets are dipped into a very, very light protective coating as the last step in the manufacturing process, which helps protect the parts during packaging and handling. Often times this coating is found to be a tad bit chipped at the edges due to this handling, and it's perfectly normal. Take your fingernail and scrape it away. This is not chrome, it's just a protective coat. :) After much use, you will find that the light protective coating will fall completely away resulting in a quite beautifully used socket set. I love the look of well used tools, and I'd venture to say that Stahlwille sockets get much more attractive with age. (If this point has already been posted, please disregard. Bummer about the gouge on the inside of that one socket, have you tried sourcing a replacement?)
Yes I did contact Stahlwille and they said some of the "damage" was from the factory and as you said, was normal. However they did offer to replace the damaged socket very fast. I do still wonder why only their sockets have these markings while much cheaper sockets like the facom and Bahco don't?
@Nicholas Ringhof Can't blame your choice. All the best mechanics I've met have carried Stahlwille sockets and open-box wrenches. I can't also deny that especially those open-boxes are _the_ best there is. Perfected durability and size and angles to get those hard to reach places. Plus they take pretty heavy misuse that you can't do with many brands. I would've wanted to get Stahlwille cart to work, but boss shot my idea because of price. But I can't get around some of Stahlwille tools. I need them. They're best there is imho.
I think that I can add some interesting infos The orange Bahco sets with matte sockets are their cheap line made in Asia. They also continue to make the old Belzer stuff (which they aquired from Sandvik Belzer) in polished crome. The large foam on top of the Stahlwille set seals the set a bit better because it is press-fit when it is closed Stahlwille sockets and extensions have a somewhat rough surface on non-important areas on the inside because they are hot forged (to the best of my knowledge) Elora even leaves their ratchet handles in this rough forged state, I quite like the look. Hazet uses cold-forging for their Sockets. The fit is much better on Hazet than on Stahlwille. I find that the Stahlwille ratchet moves back much further until it engages another tooth. Hazet and Matador solved this much better on their coarse tooth ratchets. The new fine-tooth Stahlwilles should be good as they use the new system. The only thing that fits tighter than Hazet in my collection is a 90s era Elora set which feels like welded. The new 1/2 inch Elora Stuff is about as shaky as the Bahco polished chrome Sockets and a bit better than Stahlwille. Greetings from Germany
Thumps up. You are right. Stahlwille and Hazet have different industrial customers. Bahco, Elora are very nice when you buy a used old set. Stahlwille will fit on these rusty nuts under nearly every condition. No way when you have an old Elora Set. But I prefere HAZET for my work an in private use. See the shape ... The nut contact is a special intelligent shaped construction.
@@callishandy8133 thank you for the information, can you clarify which are the different kinds of customers? Can you share your opinion on Stahlwille vs Hazet spanner’s?
I work at Hitachi construction machinery in the UK as a plant fitter, have used this specific Bahco & Hazet socket set on heavy plant machinery for 8 years, and i have seen 0 operational differences through the years, if i had to start again i would get the Bahco set instead.
I'm just amazed that no one have told this guy that the Stahlwille tools are tumbled! hence the nicks and indents, i think it's done before chrome. If you ever get greasy hands/fingers you'll learn to appreciate the rougher finished tools.
- "I'm just amazed that no one have told this guy that the Stahlwille tools are tumbled! hence the nicks and indents..." There's something seriously wrong with the tumbling process of Stahlwille, if it produces results like that. That explanation also really doesn't make sense because the other Stahlwille sockets on the video look flawless, without any apparent quality problems. The visual difference in quality between the different Stahlwille socket sets is not minor but huge. I wonder if the problematic sockets seen on the video actually are genuine Stahwille sockets. They look more like pirate versions to me.
Ado what you perceive as 'quality problems' are NOT quality problems. Stahlwille uses an industrial finish that will last decades. Polished chrome scratches the first day you use it and set a tool on a concrete floor. lol
You should never judges book by its cover The stahlwille is tumbled an has a protective coating and the alloy will develop a nice used look over time and won’t really rust but the cheaper one with nice chrome once it chipped of will rust really fast also the stahlwille sockets are one of the best on the market when it come to strength and fit
Ive had my bahco Set for over 7 years of pure unadulterated abuse. I tell ya these buggers have had more of a thrashing than the old spare work mug. Have done many a tool sins to my set and they still keep on going strong. My ratchet has been used as a breaker bar + a good length of tube on the handle end for extra manpower on things you should be using a proper breaker on and they have never ever failed me. I have a lot of friends that use their bahco sets in the same way and they all have never ever complained either, here in New Zealand most of my buddies and i allways joke about the longevity of the bacho sets and can happily say theyd last a nuclear war and then some. 20/10 will recommend one of those gourgous orange boxes
I have my Stahlwille for over 50 years (10 years in a deep mine). Ok the industrial heavy use broke a lot of chrome. 10 years in moisture air and in industrial use left a lot of chrome. The rust I can handle in some hours and the steel is as good as new. Some scratches in the steel proof the extrem heavy conditions. Very nice and durable tool and expensive. If I can choose I prefere personal Hazet. An sometimes FACOM but if I can have HAZET ... With other tools I dont prefere Hazet. But in general these is the best german brand in every tool. You must look very close the find better brands (and you will find these). French viewer prefere Facom. No daubt very very well tools. But local not in a lot of specil industrial tool stores, where I can see and touch these tool (and other premium brands).
My 1/2 bahco set is junk. The knuckle broke off the breakers bar, the 1/2 square just twisted straight off the t bar and the ratchet skips a tooth. Ironically the ratchet was stronger than the breaker and t bar. It's a shame as I like the set itself
My bahco 17mm 18mm 13mm and 16mm 6 points split after daily use the 1/4 ratchet is still going strong after 4 years it's my favourite I have a snap on and a wera 1/4 I always pick up the bahco. I've just bought this same hazet set I hope it lasts me a life time
With regards to push button quick release, some companies do not provide it, or offer it as an option. Tool manufacturers, like Stahwille, provide a lot of tooling to the aircraft industry. You don’t want the risk of a quick release button accidentally ejecting a socket when working on/in an aircraft. That’s FOD and will ground the aircraft until the tool is recovered.
@@davidkavanagh4966 In my 12+ years in the aviation industry, I have not come across any quick release ratchets or socketry. In my last job, we got over £500,000 worth of Snap-On tooling. Not one quick release button. I guess it’s down to who orders the tool outfits.
FOD is a different thing and doesn't have to do with quick release. Basically ratchets aren't allowed to have screws in case the tiny screw loosens and drops in aircraft engine. Newest Hazet ratchets have a ring to fit the ratchet internals. On Stahlwille you will see locking buttons in everything, eg extensions wobble extensions and they are FOD rated. I have lost a 7mm Hazet socket in my cars engine bay and the tool didn't have quick release. If it had, the socket would have been locked in place.
A crude survey of the mechanics at work (airline MRO) suggests Stahlwille is a lot more popular than others.. but Facom is well-regarded too. One lad told me the Steel Willy is better at the 3/8 socket size they use and the sockets are a better fit on the bolts. One important thing tho is that a lot more bolts on airplane are 12pt so 6pt sockets aren’t suitable. The Stahlwille spanners too are considered superior to others but the lads w a bit of money have Snap-On.
As an aircraft engineer myself I think the Stahlwille tools are absolute garbage. The plastic handle on the Stahwille comes loose after only minor usage, the sockets don't seem to fit properly on the ratchet itself and the overall look and feel of the Stahwille tools, in general, are not my kind of taste. The best tools out there are still the Facom ones followed by Gedore and the more expensive Bahco brand (not the cheap Bahco). An honorable mention would be Snap-On which I really like quality and feel wise but they are just way overpriced and overhyped.
@@DimitrivdVeur very interesting and thank you. I had a similar opinion of Britool back in the day. My colleagues raved about them but I thought they were trash. Even 30yrs ago Facom were better in my experience.
The reasons for people to get the Stahlwille one is the tinner socket walls. You can get them into places others can't and supposedly the 80 teeth Stahlwille ratches are better than SnapOn idk. if they are better than nepros, but they should be top notch. Facom in general is not a cheaper brand. They make the best ratcheting spanners out there, I even think their wrenches are better than the ones of Stahlwille, Gedore, Hazet or SnapOn. Just know that some of their stuff is bought in. I would go with Facom over the others with wrenches, grab Stahlwille socket sets with the QR N fine tooth ratchets. I really like to have a "Pfeifenkopfschlüssel" set around, as far as I know Facom is the only one still forging those themselves instead of buying them from asia.
Hello, yes facom are excellent tools and I agree they are not cheap as in quality, in the video I just mention it was literally cheaper than the other brands to buy as it was smaller and 3/8 drive. I love facom and now I only have the Hazet and the facom set. The Bahco and the Stahlwille are gone.
Yes you've got it. Stahlwille indeed has thinner sockets than many, many other brands. This also applies to their open-box wrenches that should be carried by any self respecting mechanic.
The Sthalwille spanners of 50 years ago, like the sockets, are slimer in head depth and width than the competition regardless of origin USA, Asia or other European. They have proven to be stronger and capable of accessing and fitting where other tools have failed, the chromium hasn't chiped off, nor has the points of the open ended spanners spread or fractured point ends, My Father used the same set I am currently suing, they have been used on a daily basis for over 50 years on road vehicles, argri and marine engines. we have never had or used better spanners than the Stahlwille, we had a 1/2 socket set but most of the sockets were lost but the rachet is still in use but certainly showing the signs of use by now,
The difference in finishes is, while the Stahlwille does'nt look like women's jewelry it will still look basically the same 20years from now after daily use. Where as the other gleaming chrome finishes look great new but the minute you have a few sockets or extensions rolling around on concrete surface there will be hundreds of fine scratches all over the tools, this will get worse and worse and worse after each use. Stahlwille is clever they do what's best for the tool, not the modern beta male customer who insists on judging a tool by how shiny the chrome is. Stahlwille uses an INDUSTRIAL finish which you can only appreciate after using the tools for many years. Hazet understands this principle too. But what do I know....
Interesting video, seems as though the Stalhwille sockets are made in different factories given the significant difference in quality between the metric and imperial.
There ist no difference in quality. Stahlwille produces in Germany. Justin B sayd it already: "The Stahlwille sockets are not "damaged from the factory" with "chipped chrome" as you suggested. The chrome is not chipped in those sockets. Rather, the Stahlwille sockets are dipped into a very, very light protective coating as the last step in the manufacturing process, which helps protect the parts during packaging and handling."
@@testaccount2343 Nonetheless, the imperial/metric finish variance is odd. More importantly, when non-expert buyers (at least a decent proportion of sales) see chipped finish sockets, they're obviously going to view Stahlwille QC negatively, and return them. With that in mind, I'm surprised Stahlwille doesn't adjust their finishing process to account for customer reactions, or at least include an explanation in the box.
A comparison test of just appearance, no testing, no torqueing til they break down or strips, but just looks? how about you use them for at least a month and then let us know which you like and why?
Torque testing on a bench is not real world, I use these on large transformer lugs and a few bits and bobs here and there. Lugs are supposed to be 120Nm, all worked fine.
Hazet was a cheap brand in my thought was a cheap brand after breaking the socket with a less than 2 foot pipe on a strong arm and ended breaking the arm with a 4 foot pipe using a stahlwillle. It might have been a devective socket. Only ever had one Hazet pop up so do not know then well. Have to admid we are heavy on tools and break some Gedores every year as well. just awhile ago broke a 75mm Gedore flogging spanner in 3 pieces and have to replace Gedore and LBS 75mm by 1" drive impact socket every year to two years.
Hazet can addort to produce the best or nothing. Every detail is perfect for the user. He have to pay it or buy cheaper tools. Ok Stahlwille and Facom are in there way TOP tools ans premium tool companys. There tools are afor there customers well. A little difference is the difference for a special industrisl company. All these brands are unusual in prvat use. These tools are to expensive and last to long for one life time of a privat customer. And privat customer love to buy cheaper than cheap ...
I used it , elora, hazet, stahlwille ,facom, gedore,, over all old elora & hazet we used at printing press machine,,. Bahco not yet used,, please make survey maybe asked mechanical engineer/technician at who used it, its will make maybe subjective or different side of comment 👍
Stahlwille has quite remarkable guarantee. Fellow mechanic had some of his about 20 years old ratchets and sockets and he had gotten new ones as old ones had wore to not good state. Also their open-box wrenches should be THE standard. They're superior to any other brand.
They are what Leatherman is for multitools. I would never start my day without my leatherman in a pocket somewhere. They aren’t cheap. But they are well-made, no bullshit guarantee and the new gen of P2/P4’s is really magnificent. In my book the best multitool on the market rn! Gerber isn’t terrible, but I dislike their brand for everything they make except for their expensive high end stuff is crap. Victorinox and Leatherman do NOT fuck around with the quality of any of their products. Whether they cost 150€ or 20€.
bahco has same plastic box like blue point socket sets which is really sad,i know that they are part of same group,but at least they should change box,because the blue point tools are much more expensive than bahco.
I actually like tumbled finish because it doesnt show scratches. Stalhwille havent really developed much in 50 years. Theyre not worth the price in this day and age imho
Great Video. There are no many reviews online about this perfect German tools. Stahlwille and Hazet both are great, but i prefer Gedore ;) That facom is not any more that it was in past (made in France), now all their tools are made by Stanley (Facom, Wurth, Proto) all have the same design and abilities... Now about Sthalwille Box, is is the same style and design as another German Brand Atorn (Falken) has. Also i can say that Stahlwille design sockets and ratchets can be found in old Garant - Hoffmann sets. I have a little version 3/8 of this 1/2 Stahlwille ratchet and 3/8 flex head variant of the 1/2 Hazet ratchet, and form me Stahlwille is better.
I cant agree with you about gedore, but after using the hazet for a while now I prefer to use it more than the stahlwille ratchet, I will make an addendum to the video. I find gedore is significantly less quality with the same cost as the two other German brands, I have all spanner sizes with gedore, lots of vde pliers from gedore and there always is a better cheaper brand in my opinion. Knipex makes better pliers at cheaper cost, stalhwille and hazet have better spanners I have used at same prices. facom, wittie, athlet, knipex and wiha have better screwdrivers in handle designs, so for me I just cant recommend the brand as there is always better. Thanks for the comment
David Kavanagh I think that Stahlwille and Hazet cost much more, than Gedore. Specially if you compare German Ebay prices. Gedore A.K.A. Dowidat offers almost same quality at a better price than those two.
@@W210Garage I agree the other brands cost way more. I wanted to buy new spanners in an all size set 26+ spanner. I only had some very old Hazet, fiat and the Bahco spanners from the 1/2 set. Stahlwille set was 350+ euro Hazet set was 450+ euro And the made in Germany gedore set I bought was only 230 euro. Feel really nice and I may comparison with all the brands I own as there are difference in feel and design, but apart from the finishing differences the quality is the same. Don't get me wrong dowidat is incredible and have been making spanners longer than Hazet or Stahlwille. I love the brand and the spanners I have bought.
@@W210Garage no experience with heyco so I will not comment. Beta are bottom for me, I feel they are like matco, import tools from China and stamp their name on it. Have a few beta tools, a puller and yes a 42 spanner, spanner is not bad but the others I have are no good. Teng and facom are streets ahead in terms of quality imports from Asia. Beta are lackluster and extremely expensive, even more than some of the top Germans and American tool brands
Facom is the same rebranded sidchrome stuff we have here in Australia. It has a pretty bad reputation here but that could be due to national pride and the outsourcing of once australian made tools.
Its a shame, before Facom were bought out they really were 'as good as it gets' just look at the price of second hand series 40 marked (made in) France. not that their a bad now but defiantly not as good as the old stuff sadly.
Unfortunately nothing is as good as it once was nowadays, not even Snap-on or hazet. I have a hazet 3/8 rachet slipped after about 2 years so gone Facom. Not as good as the French made stuff but the best of the not as good as once was. The name stamped on the item doesn't carry as much weight as it once did. But let's face it it doesn't apply to just tools nowadays, most top brands in anything aren't what they were Unfortunately...
Torx screws are just superior... They are not prone to striping and I rather have to use a torx screw driver to get inside the ratchet rather than striping the philips out and not getting in at all
Whats the part # on the Bahco kit? It looks much more elaborate than the eur82 Bahco S560 1/4 and 1/2 kit with the same slim ratchets. EDIT S103, expensive at £140 but probably worth it.
People moved away from steel cases because they get dented, paint chips off, and they rust and fall apart very quickly....plastic cases are much better these days because none of the things I mentioned happens to plastic....not sure why people think the old way is better.... the old way is inferior... that's why it's the old way..🤔
If good quality steel is used along with good powdercoating, none of the things you just suggested will happen unless some serious abuse came into play. Plastic is more weather-resistant, cheaper to use and easy to mold in whatever complex shape you want. I believe the main reason they went for plastic over steel is cost 🤷♂️ its also a lot lighter. My dad has a lot of tools, many of wich are quality brands like Facom, High end Makita’s and Metabo. We still have these proper, “Made in West-Germany” Metabo drills and saws. They all still work perfectly, are high powered (230V AC not cordless) And came in these Dark green steel boxes. These boxes are 30y old and are mostly in good condition except for some light scratches. They have sheet steel retainers in them that divide the box in sections and keep everything from moving around. Yes someone had to actually weld these in there. But these boxes are solid as a rock! But I bet they are 10x as expensive to make than the plastic cases that Makita uses nowadays. And even these are good quality that last long! We do not have any plastic tool cases that have lasted or will ever last so long.
Has anyone tried draper expert or britool tools I've had my britool and draper expert for over 20 years and I work in a foundry you can imagine the abuse they go through on a daily basis
No, Bahco is a Swedish brand, however sockets are made in different places depending on the specific set. I believe some are manufactured in China as well.
I’m sorry but this kid doesn’t know what the hell he likes or what is good quality. I just watched his other video where he says completely the opposite when he talks about the ratchets. To be honest it’s probably an honest mistake but, he should have mentioned that he has not even used the Stahlwille set. I don’t mean to rip on this review, at first I just though it was just overly nitpicking. However, at 7:45 he claims that the Stahlwille ratchet is “much more superior” than the Hazet one, in another video he claims Hazet is the best ratchet. Justin B. points out the clear coating on the Stahlwille sockets! Our reviewer thinks it’s chrome finish damage. The metric set of the Stahlwille sockets seams more damaged than the SAE/imperial set, hmmm maybe because the metric set gets used much more then the SAE set. Oh, and at 3:50 our reviewer calls the sides of the Hazet sockets as “chamfered”, clearly he has mixed up chamfering with knurling.
My apologies for the confusion, yes I only just received the Hazet set in this video a week before I made the review and had the Stahlwille for around 1-2 months if I can remember. Initially in the hand Stahlwille feels so much better than the Hazet as it was heavier and the switch at the top was much better. However in the next video I had used the Hazet a lot more in my job and found it overall better. Yes I didn't know the correct term for the finish on the Hazet sockets, and I went to Stahlwille and ask them why are Metric damaged much more and it is because the way the factory makes them. If it clears things up I only have the facom and the Hazet set now. Thanks for the criticism and probably won't be making another socket set video again.
Bahco and Facom tools are great and have a nice boxes. Hazet and Stahlwille are overpriced and craftsmanship quality is low. Metal boxes - stupid solution.
For crews that work outside in specific jobs, eg trucks, farm and digging machinery (jcb etc), oil platforms, chemical factories, the metal case is a must. The plastic box will be beat up and break in no time. You will see these guys always carry the uncomfortable metal cantilever toolboxes instead of plastic ones for the same reason, they will get beat up a lot.
Nah...the Stahwille is better in every way.. cases, sockets, ratchets... I'm not a big fan of the steel cases because the paint chips and knicks, and actually, it looks worse over time than plastic cases.... 2:24.. and you would ruin the case...😂.. Do you even realize why that is that way?... sheesh
What a joke review! This guy has no idea about what facom is!! Why do they use them in airplanes? They even makes tools in titanium Why do many supercars have the brand originally in the toolbox in the car? And why has Koenigsegg Facom in the factory? I guess that guy dont want the best..?😂
Rewatched this video after working with Hazet and Stahlwille tools: What you should know:
First, ALL tools in the video are quality tools, they are all good and miles away from the generic chinesium crap that is sold around. If you find ANY of these toolboxes at a discounted price, buy it with your eyes closed.
Second, the Hazet and Stahlwille ratchets are the old type, now superseded with ones with more teeth which are smoother. The Stahlwille 1/4" ratchet with the green button is the new type, although both types old and new still exist. Also, both companies make ratchets with a button and without, reason being the ratchet without a button is always stronger.
Third, as said in other comments the Stahlwille socket finish is a non issue. But you will see both Hazet and Stahlwille sockets have a round "step" inside so the bolt or nut will sit better. The others don't have that extra "step". This is important and a sign of quality.
Fourth, the metal toolboxes are a requirement for some jobs, eg servicing factory equipment, farm machinery, or onshore and offshore oil installations. A plastic case in such job would break in no time. The metal toolboxes in the video are "extended" sets, not standard sets, there are standard sets from Hazet and Stahlwille that are cheaper.
Thanks to the OP for the video and to everyone who commented.
As a professional truck mechanic I use several brands. Most of the time I don't get to choose what brand I get but I don't have to pay it myself either :-)
When it comes to sockets I have Bahco, Gedore, Hazet, Koken, Würth Zebra, Facom, Apex... I don't have any favorites. They all break, but most of the time they get lost before you break them.
Ratchets I have are Gedore (1/4 & 3/8) Würth Zebra for 1/2 and 1/4 and Hazet for 1/2. Maybe have some others to.
I prefer the Würth for confined spaces, easy to switch directions. The Hazet or Gedore switch is superior, but can be harder to use in tight spots. I have used Facom, Stahlwille and other brands, but I don't like them. I don't know why, but I have them widely available but never pick them up. Same with screwdrivers. My hand always goes to Wera.
Boxes is something we mostly don't care about. We have a tool cart to store all of our stuff. The box goes to the bin within minutes.
Nice tools are fun, but in the end they are just tools, nothing more. It's never about the tools, always about the skills. You got to collect the tools you tend to like and ditch the others. Never stick to one brand, mix them all up.
yep I think I have over 50 different sets of screwdrivers
@@davidkavanagh4966 you are mechanic ?
If you do a repetitive job on the go, eg plant equipment installation or working on oil equipment you care about the box so that it won't break. Thats who these Stahlwille and Hazet sets are for, thats why they have sturdy metal boxes.
Yup brother, some typical works for some brand 😁
Felo , German made screwdrivers?
The Stahlwille sockets are not "damaged from the factory" with "chipped chrome" as you suggested. The chrome is not chipped in those sockets. Rather, the Stahlwille sockets are dipped into a very, very light protective coating as the last step in the manufacturing process, which helps protect the parts during packaging and handling. Often times this coating is found to be a tad bit chipped at the edges due to this handling, and it's perfectly normal.
Take your fingernail and scrape it away. This is not chrome, it's just a protective coat. :)
After much use, you will find that the light protective coating will fall completely away resulting in a quite beautifully used socket set. I love the look of well used tools, and I'd venture to say that Stahlwille sockets get much more attractive with age.
(If this point has already been posted, please disregard. Bummer about the gouge on the inside of that one socket, have you tried sourcing a replacement?)
Yes I did contact Stahlwille and they said some of the "damage" was from the factory and as you said, was normal. However they did offer to replace the damaged socket very fast. I do still wonder why only their sockets have these markings while much cheaper sockets like the facom and Bahco don't?
@Nicholas Ringhof Can't blame your choice. All the best mechanics I've met have carried Stahlwille sockets and open-box wrenches. I can't also deny that especially those open-boxes are _the_ best there is. Perfected durability and size and angles to get those hard to reach places. Plus they take pretty heavy misuse that you can't do with many brands. I would've wanted to get Stahlwille cart to work, but boss shot my idea because of price. But I can't get around some of Stahlwille tools. I need them. They're best there is imho.
I think that I can add some interesting infos
The orange Bahco sets with matte sockets are their cheap line made in Asia. They also continue to make the old Belzer stuff (which they aquired from Sandvik Belzer) in polished crome.
The large foam on top of the Stahlwille set seals the set a bit better because it is press-fit when it is closed
Stahlwille sockets and extensions have a somewhat rough surface on non-important areas on the inside because they are hot forged (to the best of my knowledge)
Elora even leaves their ratchet handles in this rough forged state, I quite like the look. Hazet uses cold-forging for their Sockets.
The fit is much better on Hazet than on Stahlwille. I find that the Stahlwille ratchet moves back much further until it engages another tooth. Hazet and Matador solved this much better on their coarse tooth ratchets. The new fine-tooth Stahlwilles should be good as they use the new system. The only thing that fits tighter than Hazet in my collection is a 90s era Elora set which feels like welded. The new 1/2 inch Elora Stuff is about as shaky as the Bahco polished chrome Sockets and a bit better than Stahlwille.
Greetings from Germany
Hello and thank you for the information
Do you know how to distinguish what a 90s era Elora socket set looks like when looking at vintage sets on EBay?
Thumps up. You are right.
Stahlwille and Hazet have different industrial customers.
Bahco, Elora are very nice when you buy a used old set.
Stahlwille will fit on these rusty nuts under nearly every condition.
No way when you have an old Elora Set.
But I prefere HAZET for my work an in private use.
See the shape ...
The nut contact is a special intelligent shaped construction.
@@callishandy8133 thank you for the information, can you clarify which are the different kinds of customers?
Can you share your opinion on Stahlwille vs Hazet spanner’s?
I work at Hitachi construction machinery in the UK as a plant fitter, have used this specific Bahco & Hazet socket set on heavy plant machinery for 8 years, and i have seen 0 operational differences through the years, if i had to start again i would get the Bahco set instead.
I'm just amazed that no one have told this guy that the Stahlwille tools are tumbled! hence the nicks and indents, i think it's done before chrome. If you ever get greasy hands/fingers you'll learn to appreciate the rougher finished tools.
Hazet grip a lot better when grease
- "I'm just amazed that no one have told this guy that the Stahlwille tools are tumbled! hence the nicks and indents..."
There's something seriously wrong with the tumbling process of Stahlwille, if it produces results like that. That explanation also really doesn't make sense because the other Stahlwille sockets on the video look flawless, without any apparent quality problems. The visual difference in quality between the different Stahlwille socket sets is not minor but huge. I wonder if the problematic sockets seen on the video actually are genuine Stahwille sockets. They look more like pirate versions to me.
Ado what you perceive as 'quality problems' are NOT quality problems. Stahlwille uses an industrial finish that will last decades. Polished chrome scratches the first day you use it and set a tool on a concrete floor. lol
You should never judges book by its cover
The stahlwille is tumbled an has a protective coating and the alloy will develop a nice used look over time and won’t really rust but the cheaper one with nice chrome once it chipped of will rust really fast also the stahlwille sockets are one of the best on the market when it come to strength and fit
they are excellent the 1/4 is my go to
Ive had my bahco Set for over 7 years of pure unadulterated abuse. I tell ya these buggers have had more of a thrashing than the old spare work mug. Have done many a tool sins to my set and they still keep on going strong. My ratchet has been used as a breaker bar + a good length of tube on the handle end for extra manpower on things you should be using a proper breaker on and they have never ever failed me. I have a lot of friends that use their bahco sets in the same way and they all have never ever complained either, here in New Zealand most of my buddies and i allways joke about the longevity of the bacho sets and can happily say theyd last a nuclear war and then some.
20/10 will recommend one of those gourgous orange boxes
The Bahco quad box ratcheting wrenches are awesome as well. Very well made and reasonably priced.
I'm also using Bahco since 2019 and no regrets so far. Very solid set and takes abuse like it was nothing. highly recommend it
I have my Stahlwille for over 50 years (10 years in a deep mine).
Ok the industrial heavy use broke a lot of chrome.
10 years in moisture air and in industrial use left a lot of chrome.
The rust I can handle in some hours and the steel is as good as new.
Some scratches in the steel proof the extrem heavy conditions.
Very nice and durable tool and expensive.
If I can choose I prefere personal Hazet.
An sometimes FACOM but if I can have HAZET ...
With other tools I dont prefere Hazet.
But in general these is the best german brand in every tool.
You must look very close the find better brands (and you will find these).
French viewer prefere Facom. No daubt very very well tools.
But local not in a lot of specil industrial tool stores, where I can see and touch these tool (and other premium brands).
My 1/2 bahco set is junk. The knuckle broke off the breakers bar, the 1/2 square just twisted straight off the t bar and the ratchet skips a tooth. Ironically the ratchet was stronger than the breaker and t bar. It's a shame as I like the set itself
My bahco 17mm 18mm 13mm and 16mm 6 points split after daily use the 1/4 ratchet is still going strong after 4 years it's my favourite I have a snap on and a wera 1/4 I always pick up the bahco. I've just bought this same hazet set I hope it lasts me a life time
Nice review! I personally always use headliner adhesive to stick any lid foams inside tool cases so I don't need to hassle with them
With regards to push button quick release, some companies do not provide it, or offer it as an option.
Tool manufacturers, like Stahwille, provide a lot of tooling to the aircraft industry. You don’t want the risk of a quick release button accidentally ejecting a socket when working on/in an aircraft. That’s FOD and will ground the aircraft until the tool is recovered.
my best friend is an aircraft tech and they only use snap on, and they have the push button
@@davidkavanagh4966 In my 12+ years in the aviation industry, I have not come across any quick release ratchets or socketry.
In my last job, we got over £500,000 worth of Snap-On tooling. Not one quick release button.
I guess it’s down to who orders the tool outfits.
If you're incapable of pulling a socket of a ratchet: just do a lot more of wanking
FOD is a different thing and doesn't have to do with quick release. Basically ratchets aren't allowed to have screws in case the tiny screw loosens and drops in aircraft engine. Newest Hazet ratchets have a ring to fit the ratchet internals. On Stahlwille you will see locking buttons in everything, eg extensions wobble extensions and they are FOD rated. I have lost a 7mm Hazet socket in my cars engine bay and the tool didn't have quick release. If it had, the socket would have been locked in place.
Stahlwille and hazet are among the best tools in the world. I own both brands along with gedore and old school heyco. They will last a lifetime.
Nice Seiko SKX watch! Also nice tool collection going on. I just love a nice kit inside a metal case
Facom are not cheap. They’re as expensive and often more so than the others. F1 and Aerospace supplier.
Yea, what I thought.
A crude survey of the mechanics at work (airline MRO) suggests Stahlwille is a lot more popular than others.. but Facom is well-regarded too. One lad told me the Steel Willy is better at the 3/8 socket size they use and the sockets are a better fit on the bolts. One important thing tho is that a lot more bolts on airplane are 12pt so 6pt sockets aren’t suitable.
The Stahlwille spanners too are considered superior to others but the lads w a bit of money have Snap-On.
I really like the spanners, Hazet spanners
As an aircraft engineer myself I think the Stahlwille tools are absolute garbage. The plastic handle on the Stahwille comes loose after only minor usage, the sockets don't seem to fit properly on the ratchet itself and the overall look and feel of the Stahwille tools, in general, are not my kind of taste.
The best tools out there are still the Facom ones followed by Gedore and the more expensive Bahco brand (not the cheap Bahco). An honorable mention would be Snap-On which I really like quality and feel wise but they are just way overpriced and overhyped.
@@DimitrivdVeur very interesting and thank you.
I had a similar opinion of Britool back in the day. My colleagues raved about them but I thought they were trash. Even 30yrs ago Facom were better in my experience.
The reasons for people to get the Stahlwille one is the tinner socket walls. You can get them into places others can't and supposedly the 80 teeth Stahlwille ratches are better than SnapOn idk. if they are better than nepros, but they should be top notch.
Facom in general is not a cheaper brand. They make the best ratcheting spanners out there, I even think their wrenches are better than the ones of Stahlwille, Gedore, Hazet or SnapOn. Just know that some of their stuff is bought in.
I would go with Facom over the others with wrenches, grab Stahlwille socket sets with the QR N fine tooth ratchets. I really like to have a "Pfeifenkopfschlüssel" set around, as far as I know Facom is the only one still forging those themselves instead of buying them from asia.
Hello, yes facom are excellent tools and I agree they are not cheap as in quality, in the video I just mention it was literally cheaper than the other brands to buy as it was smaller and 3/8 drive. I love facom and now I only have the Hazet and the facom set. The Bahco and the Stahlwille are gone.
Yes you've got it. Stahlwille indeed has thinner sockets than many, many other brands. This also applies to their open-box wrenches that should be carried by any self respecting mechanic.
The Sthalwille spanners of 50 years ago, like the sockets, are slimer in head depth and width than the competition regardless of origin USA, Asia or other European. They have proven to be stronger and capable of accessing and fitting where other tools have failed, the chromium hasn't chiped off, nor has the points of the open ended spanners spread or fractured point ends, My Father used the same set I am currently suing, they have been used on a daily basis for over 50 years on road vehicles, argri and marine engines. we have never had or used better spanners than the Stahlwille, we had a 1/2 socket set but most of the sockets were lost but the rachet is still in use but certainly showing the signs of use by now,
The difference in finishes is, while the Stahlwille does'nt look like women's jewelry it will still look basically the same 20years from now after daily use. Where as the other gleaming chrome finishes look great new but the minute you have a few sockets or extensions rolling around on concrete surface there will be hundreds of fine scratches all over the tools, this will get worse and worse and worse after each use. Stahlwille is clever they do what's best for the tool, not the modern beta male customer who insists on judging a tool by how shiny the chrome is. Stahlwille uses an INDUSTRIAL finish which you can only appreciate after using the tools for many years. Hazet understands this principle too. But what do I know....
Lol well said. So all americans who want shiny tools are snowflakes?
So the Stahlwille tools look old from day 1, but the Hazet doesn't look old until it is old, gotcha.
I always thought stahlwille were the best money can buy! And i still believe that after watching this video!😎
Interesting video, seems as though the Stalhwille sockets are made in different factories given the significant difference in quality between the metric and imperial.
I think they only have the one factory, but I am not sure
There ist no difference in quality. Stahlwille produces in Germany. Justin B sayd it already: "The Stahlwille sockets are not "damaged from the factory" with "chipped chrome" as you suggested. The chrome is not chipped in those sockets. Rather, the Stahlwille sockets are dipped into a very, very light protective coating as the last step in the manufacturing process, which helps protect the parts during packaging and handling."
@@testaccount2343 Nonetheless, the imperial/metric finish variance is odd.
More importantly, when non-expert buyers (at least a decent proportion of sales) see chipped finish sockets, they're obviously going to view Stahlwille QC negatively, and return them. With that in mind, I'm surprised Stahlwille doesn't adjust their finishing process to account for customer reactions, or at least include an explanation in the box.
A comparison test of just appearance, no testing, no torqueing til they break down or strips, but just looks? how about you use them for at least a month and then let us know which you like and why?
Torque testing on a bench is not real world, I use these on large transformer lugs and a few bits and bobs here and there. Lugs are supposed to be 120Nm, all worked fine.
Hazet was a cheap brand in my thought was a cheap brand after breaking the socket with a less than 2 foot pipe on a strong arm and ended breaking the arm with a 4 foot pipe using a stahlwillle. It might have been a devective socket. Only ever had one Hazet pop up so do not know then well. Have to admid we are heavy on tools and break some Gedores every year as well. just awhile ago broke a 75mm Gedore flogging spanner in 3 pieces and have to replace Gedore and LBS 75mm by 1" drive impact socket every year to two years.
@@pietervanzyl732 If you're breaking Gedore (blue, not red), Hazet and Stahlwille tools, you must be very heavy on tools, and even then I'm surprised.
Never knew the larger Hazet ratchet had a plastic direction switch. I have the 1/4 set from them and my ratchet has a metal switch. Very strange.
It isn't plastic.. he's incorrect....it is a cast zinc switch with a composite overlay.. that adds strength to the switch....
Hazet can addort to produce the best or nothing.
Every detail is perfect for the user. He have to pay it or buy cheaper tools.
Ok Stahlwille and Facom are in there way TOP tools ans premium tool companys.
There tools are afor there customers well. A little difference is the difference for a special industrisl company.
All these brands are unusual in prvat use.
These tools are to expensive and last to long for one life time of a privat customer.
And privat customer love to buy cheaper than cheap ...
I used it , elora, hazet, stahlwille ,facom, gedore,, over all old elora & hazet we used at printing press machine,,. Bahco not yet used,, please make survey maybe asked mechanical engineer/technician at who used it, its will make maybe subjective or different side of comment 👍
thanks for taking the time to make this vid.
Stahlwille has quite remarkable guarantee. Fellow mechanic had some of his about 20 years old ratchets and sockets and he had gotten new ones as old ones had wore to not good state. Also their open-box wrenches should be THE standard. They're superior to any other brand.
They are what Leatherman is for multitools.
I would never start my day without my leatherman in a pocket somewhere. They aren’t cheap. But they are well-made, no bullshit guarantee and the new gen of P2/P4’s is really magnificent. In my book the best multitool on the market rn!
Gerber isn’t terrible, but I dislike their brand for everything they make except for their expensive high end stuff is crap.
Victorinox and Leatherman do NOT fuck around with the quality of any of their products. Whether they cost 150€ or 20€.
bahco has same plastic box like blue point socket sets which is really sad,i know that they are part of same group,but at least they should change box,because the blue point tools are much more expensive than bahco.
Why are the tools so clean? 😂
You mother was in my room and she gave them a lovely polish 😘
@@davidkavanagh4966 wow..
I actually like tumbled finish because it doesnt show scratches. Stalhwille havent really developed much in 50 years. Theyre not worth the price in this day and age imho
Great video, thank you!
Great Video. There are no many reviews online about this perfect German tools. Stahlwille and Hazet both are great, but i prefer Gedore ;)
That facom is not any more that it was in past (made in France), now all their tools are made by Stanley (Facom, Wurth, Proto) all have the same design and abilities...
Now about Sthalwille Box, is is the same style and design as another German Brand Atorn (Falken) has. Also i can say that Stahlwille design sockets and ratchets can be found in old Garant - Hoffmann sets. I have a little version 3/8 of this 1/2 Stahlwille ratchet and 3/8 flex head variant of the 1/2 Hazet ratchet, and form me Stahlwille is better.
I cant agree with you about gedore, but after using the hazet for a while now I prefer to use it more than the stahlwille ratchet, I will make an addendum to the video.
I find gedore is significantly less quality with the same cost as the two other German brands, I have all spanner sizes with gedore, lots of vde pliers from gedore and there always is a better cheaper brand in my opinion. Knipex makes better pliers at cheaper cost, stalhwille and hazet have better spanners I have used at same prices.
facom, wittie, athlet, knipex and wiha have better screwdrivers in handle designs, so for me I just cant recommend the brand as there is always better. Thanks for the comment
David Kavanagh
I think that Stahlwille and Hazet cost much more, than Gedore. Specially if you compare German Ebay prices. Gedore A.K.A. Dowidat offers almost same quality at a better price than those two.
@@W210Garage I agree the other brands cost way more. I wanted to buy new spanners in an all size set 26+ spanner. I only had some very old Hazet, fiat and the Bahco spanners from the 1/2 set.
Stahlwille set was 350+ euro
Hazet set was 450+ euro
And the made in Germany gedore set I bought was only 230 euro. Feel really nice and I may comparison with all the brands I own as there are difference in feel and design, but apart from the finishing differences the quality is the same.
Don't get me wrong dowidat is incredible and have been making spanners longer than Hazet or Stahlwille. I love the brand and the spanners I have bought.
@@davidkavanagh4966
Also i can recommend BETA 42 And Heyco Max line, also Great Spanners :)
@@W210Garage no experience with heyco so I will not comment.
Beta are bottom for me, I feel they are like matco, import tools from China and stamp their name on it.
Have a few beta tools, a puller and yes a 42 spanner, spanner is not bad but the others I have are no good.
Teng and facom are streets ahead in terms of quality imports from Asia. Beta are lackluster and extremely expensive, even more than some of the top Germans and American tool brands
In my country, Facom is a pretigious brand and very expensive pricewise. Lol.
cheap here for the quality you get
facom are a very good tools
My favorite screwdrivers brand
Facom is the same rebranded sidchrome stuff we have here in Australia.
It has a pretty bad reputation here but that could be due to national pride and the outsourcing of once australian made tools.
You need to say what the size range is.
Sorry for that
How about a review of that hazet toolbox I see in the left-hand corner.
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How about koken japan?
Its a shame, before Facom were bought out they really were 'as good as it gets' just look at the price of second hand series 40 marked (made in) France. not that their a bad now but defiantly not as good as the old stuff sadly.
Unfortunately nothing is as good as it once was nowadays, not even Snap-on or hazet. I have a hazet 3/8 rachet slipped after about 2 years so gone Facom. Not as good as the French made stuff but the best of the not as good as once was. The name stamped on the item doesn't carry as much weight as it once did. But let's face it it doesn't apply to just tools nowadays, most top brands in anything aren't what they were Unfortunately...
Does Nepros make a torque wrench to compete here?
Torx screws are just superior... They are not prone to striping and I rather have to use a torx screw driver to get inside the ratchet rather than striping the philips out and not getting in at all
still so expensive
this is a really good video
Dumb question, what are the dimensions of the Stahlwille case?
I unfortunately have no idea, I have since gave it away
For me facom is the best
I have the 1/2’’ set from hazet but it comes in plastic case. Is yours an old version?
This set is called 905 hazet, the plastic version is called the 900. They are still made new
David Kavanagh👍
What’s the part number for the stahlwille
Hazet❤❤❤❤
Whats the part # on the Bahco kit? It looks much more elaborate than the eur82 Bahco S560 1/4 and 1/2 kit with the same slim ratchets. EDIT S103, expensive at £140 but probably worth it.
Hello it was called the Bahco s103 set thanks
Sir, if you ask any German to choose hazet or stahlwille,every single German will say Latter one,i mean they will choose Stahlwille instead of hazet.
Can you pull the habdle off the Hazet breaker bar?
Expensive tool presentation
very nice watch...what brand?
Skx 007
People moved away from steel cases because they get dented, paint chips off, and they rust and fall apart very quickly....plastic cases are much better these days because none of the things I mentioned happens to plastic....not sure why people think the old way is better.... the old way is inferior... that's why it's the old way..🤔
If good quality steel is used along with good powdercoating, none of the things you just suggested will happen unless some serious abuse came into play.
Plastic is more weather-resistant, cheaper to use and easy to mold in whatever complex shape you want. I believe the main reason they went for plastic over steel is cost 🤷♂️ its also a lot lighter.
My dad has a lot of tools, many of wich are quality brands like Facom, High end Makita’s and Metabo.
We still have these proper, “Made in West-Germany” Metabo drills and saws. They all still work perfectly, are high powered (230V AC not cordless)
And came in these Dark green steel boxes. These boxes are 30y old and are mostly in good condition except for some light scratches. They have sheet steel retainers in them that divide the box in sections and keep everything from moving around. Yes someone had to actually weld these in there. But these boxes are solid as a rock! But I bet they are 10x as expensive to make than the plastic cases that Makita uses nowadays. And even these are good quality that last long!
We do not have any plastic tool cases that have lasted or will ever last so long.
Are you saying Facom is a cheaper alternative?
Yep definitely cheaper
Nice review. What about using a brand of ratchet and another brand sockets? Anyone done this?
Cant see how it could be a problem
Can u zoom in some more
FACOM ALL!!!😂😂😂
Can't go wrong
Für mich gibt es nur #hazet und #stahlwille
Has anyone tried draper expert or britool tools I've had my britool and draper expert for over 20 years and I work in a foundry you can imagine the abuse they go through on a daily basis
yes my first set when I was 10, cheap for a reason
These were good 20 years, now they are chinesium crap.
6:02 pre marked, pre scratched, pre chipped just left out pre fkd 😀
Better stick to turntables ( I suppose)
I still always go for draper
Hi. Barco is 100% made in German?
No, Bahco is a Swedish brand, however sockets are made in different places depending on the specific set. I believe some are manufactured in China as well.
Do not think you are a mechanic ! or ? 😂
I’m sorry but this kid doesn’t know what the hell he likes or what is good quality. I just watched his other video where he says completely the opposite when he talks about the ratchets. To be honest it’s probably an honest mistake but, he should have mentioned that he has not even used the Stahlwille set. I don’t mean to rip on this review, at first I just though it was just overly nitpicking. However, at 7:45 he claims that the Stahlwille ratchet is “much more superior” than the Hazet one, in another video he claims Hazet is the best ratchet. Justin B. points out the clear coating on the Stahlwille sockets! Our reviewer thinks it’s chrome finish damage. The metric set of the Stahlwille sockets seams more damaged than the SAE/imperial set, hmmm maybe because the metric set gets used much more then the SAE set. Oh, and at 3:50 our reviewer calls the sides of the Hazet sockets as “chamfered”, clearly he has mixed up chamfering with knurling.
My apologies for the confusion, yes I only just received the Hazet set in this video a week before I made the review and had the Stahlwille for around 1-2 months if I can remember. Initially in the hand Stahlwille feels so much better than the Hazet as it was heavier and the switch at the top was much better. However in the next video I had used the Hazet a lot more in my job and found it overall better. Yes I didn't know the correct term for the finish on the Hazet sockets, and I went to Stahlwille and ask them why are Metric damaged much more and it is because the way the factory makes them. If it clears things up I only have the facom and the Hazet set now. Thanks for the criticism and probably won't be making another socket set video again.
Talking rubbish this lad likes the bling not the quality these are the best quality tools you can buy last you a lifetime .
Agreed, all of them are top quality tools.
Go Milwalkee!
Lol
So this is all how they look hmm kinda pointless I’ll just get Tekton and replace as they get ruined I only work on personal cars
the camera jerking is so bad I can't watch this video.
Your mother was helping me from behind
Bahco and Facom tools are great and have a nice boxes. Hazet and Stahlwille are overpriced and craftsmanship quality is low. Metal boxes - stupid solution.
For crews that work outside in specific jobs, eg trucks, farm and digging machinery (jcb etc), oil platforms, chemical factories, the metal case is a must. The plastic box will be beat up and break in no time. You will see these guys always carry the uncomfortable metal cantilever toolboxes instead of plastic ones for the same reason, they will get beat up a lot.
Painfully misguided review
Your comment is painfully empty on factual content. What exactly do you disagree with, and on what basis?
Nah...the Stahwille is better in every way.. cases, sockets, ratchets... I'm not a big fan of the steel cases because the paint chips and knicks, and actually, it looks worse over time than plastic cases....
2:24.. and you would ruin the case...😂.. Do you even realize why that is that way?... sheesh
What a joke review! This guy has no idea about what facom is!! Why do they use them in airplanes? They even makes tools in titanium Why do many supercars have the brand originally in the toolbox in the car? And why has Koenigsegg Facom in the factory? I guess that guy dont want the best..?😂