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7:30 If Vanessa was freakishly strong, and we know that some people in mondstat are possibly decents of Vanessa's tribe, could be Noelle be one of them and this explains her insane strength.
The whole monstadt gang has been an absolute mystery and has so much power potential if they dont spend time afternoon teacups or actually reveal their future plans instead the night. Although diluc is likely the better descendant of vanessa as she had red hair as well. Noelle could say simply born with strength mainly from other groups of people, like the "white haired trait". She doesnt have better backgrounds to support the idea and it could just be coincidental.
Maybe all descendants of pyro dragon can ascend to dragonhoood if they can get gnosis. And Diluc get indirect buff half year before Natlan. And he can do "DRAGON strike". Dainsleif: There are no coincidences in the world. Everything is the fruit of seeds planted long ago.
It makes sense now how his ult is a literal phoenix. And he has a lot of bird related things in his character, animation design as well as in the mansion. It all comes together now.
Vishap Theory! In enkonomiya, it was basically emphasized that for some reason, no matter how much the scientists tried to make the hydro vishaps to inherit and control Pyro, it wouldn’t give. Perhaps bc the authority of pyro was still with the Dragon of Pyro, meaning the element cannot be made impure.
I suspect that the special thing about the Pyro Archon ia gonna be that she resurrects/reincarnates into a new body with her memories intact. Which is why, in the Travail trailer, Dain mentions that we will be told a secret. Because Murata may be the only one who has direct knowledge of the Fall of Khaen'riah, or maybe even the Second Descender.
I have my own theory that murata might be half dragon half god and the Pyro Arcon and the Pyro sovereign are both siblings with them being both born from the primal fire and that they have been at war each other for 500 years because the Pyros wants the authority over pyro and when Murata dies she gets resurrected by the belief and passion of war that is inside her people hence the title “incandescent ode of resurrection” also zhongli is not a dragon he simply takes the form of one but it’s not connected to any dragon heritage whatsoever also I love your theories you’re honestly so underrated you need more subscribers fr
@@you-yn5hp idk why they wouldn’t especially since 2024 in Chinese is the year of the dragon, and it would be really fitting if we met the dragon sovereign of natlan especially since it’s a nation of dragons, so it would be a waste and miss opportunity
@@akarirei how does that have anything to do with the theory? I’m just saying that he’s not a dragon he just took a dragon form he’s still Rex lapis just not in position of Robert
So far we had Vishaps take the form of an Inazuman priestess, and a Melosine. Kokomi knew about the Vishap and hoped the Traveler can convert them on her side.
Something's sussy when the legally isolationist nation with its isolationism enforced by an honestly harsh Shogun saw more travel in and out than Natlan
Actually alot of people go in and out of natlan, in fact it seems that natlan is a hot spot (no pun intended) for tourism, so they there's no closed from the outside world it's just that the natives don't leave, the only (could be but not confirmed) natlanen that we've ever met is Bennett, but he could be the child of a none native,
If the Pyro Archon dies and gets resurrected like a Phoenix, the line in Travail Trailer makes sense: "When the God of War shares her secrets to the traveller, it is because she has her reasons." Once she gets resurrected, the Traveller needs to help her remember of what was. Traveller will be there at her resurrection. Just like what Nahida did to the Traveller at Sumeru Quest where she helped the traveller remember the "memories from his dreams".
When you were talking about the phoenix I just suddenly thought it would be really cool if La Signora had been the Pyro Archon all along. Having one Archon subservient to another would be pretty interesting.
After watching this one video I kind of had a theory about the Pyro archon, theorist Ashikai came up with the idea that since Neuvillette is the Leviathan and Egeria was created to replace him, what if Zhongli was meant to replace the dragon who was the Behemoth? But there's also a third animal, a bird called the Ziz, perhaps the former pyro archon was meant to replace the dragon of Natlan and created for a specific role much like Egeria was made to control the heart of the primordial sea. I haven't done in depth research but I've seen that scholars have compared the Ziz to a greek Phoenix as well as the Sumerian Anzu, so maybe like Zhongli who isn't a dragon but seems to have some dragon-like motifs. The pyro archon will be the same way, dragon-like but not a 100% dragon, but I guess we'll see once her demon name is revealed. Either way with how much info Hoyo is hiding, Natlan has got to be pretty interesting.
This is the theory I believe is the most likely. Also, one that remains most congruent with our current understanding of denizens of both Nibelung and "Phanes" respectively.
Really interesting theory! I hadn't connected Ursa the Drake to Natlan's dragon problem before, but it makes a lot of sense. Ursa has always seemed strange to me, mostly because it apparently roamed the wilderness tormenting people until a few years ago. I don't think we've seen another powerful creature like that in modern Teyvat (let alone one connected to dragons). Venessa is also a curious character, and she + her family are still the only Natlan natives we've seen outside the country. (Though personally I really like the theory that Dehya is from Natlan!) I don't know if the Ragnivindrs are connected, too, since there's not enough to go off of there, but it's an interesting idea. I am not completely sold on the archon being a dragon, but I don't think it's entirely unlikely. Apep said this in Nahida's story quest: "Some of the dragons have grown close to your kind and have forgotten all about our hatred from when the world was taken from us." What if Celestia practiced "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" and won over one of the sovereigns? Allying with some of them would definitely reduce the threat, especially since it might prevent all seven from banding together in the future. I'm not convinced either way, yet.
Lol, I suggested during Ashikai's last live stream (she was talking to Onion) that Murata was likely a dragon. And that Vanessa could have been part dragon... But while Ashikai seemed to like my idea that Murata could be a dragon. She didn't seem to like the idea that dragons could reproduce with humans (which isn't exactly what I meant). But yeah, some weeks ago I asked them and it seemed like she kinda shot the idea down, a bit.... that's the impression she gave me, anyway. So, while you haven't been in contact with me for a while, now, it looks like you and I are still coming to the same thoughts about things. Anyway, good video. Edit: Adding this- I have thought for a long time now (since 2.8 I think, I started thiking this around or just after) that the Seelies and possibly the Khaenri'ahns were related to the dragons (mainly because 2.8 was when I got into Enka, since I had issues with my PC that left me behind on some quests). After we learned about the goddess of flowers and the Pari. And the fact that the Pari, the seelies are all patterned somewhat after sea slugs (and I assume the jinn, since they came from a seelie - likely able to take human form, considering cross-breeding with humans), like dragons are, then... That kind of cemented my thoughts about them all being related to the dragons who are all (almost) patterned after sea or water creatures (Dvalin = sea slug, Azhdaha = frog, Appep = sea snake(?), Neuvillette = Lapis lol, we don't know about Elynas or Durin's shapes. But I'm assuming Scylla (sp?) was similar to Neuvillette 's Lapis-like form). After we found out that Egeria was patterned after the original water sovereign, also looking similar to a sea slug, as a lot of oceanids do. It all further makes me think that dragons are connected to the seelies and Khaenri'ahns.
This is it. I understand Ashikai's reservations with Humans and vishaps intermingling because, Enka kinda puts the dampers on that being a natural process and it's one that makes sense to me but.. I have some reservations myself with this stance also and it's exactly because of the sea slug paradox. Primordial elemental dragons and Seelie both share this sea slug motif. Dvalin is the most obvious example but even erosion Azhdaha has sea slugs that share his adaptations, Apep's guardian also and the sea otters that Neuvillette is often pictured with. All of them have sea slugs that share traits, much like Seelie, who are supposedly denizens of the Primordial one.. It shouldn't make sense, because dragons belong to Nibelung. Entities from 2 opposing realms all linked by one thread.. I forgot to add some honourable mentions here, being Venti's elf from which does remind me a bit of a Seelie also, as you mentioned Oceanid, what about Kapatcir.. Not just that either. Dragons and pure blood Khaenri'an's seem to share one trait that I notice, this thread's not air tight but, when they face corruption, they don't just transform into something else, like hilimonsters and they retain their "sanity".. I say it's not air tight because they still seem to be somewhat affected by it, Apep lost the plumage they used to have and becomes almost Eldrich like to adapt to it and it seems like Apep also becomes mentally affected. Azhdaha's body erodes as well as his mind. Dvalin is also mentally and physically affected with boils. Also, Dain and the knights seem to fuse with their armour or something like that and their body and mind also erodes.. Hmm... perhaps resistance is a better term?
Given that at least some Sovereigns haven't given up yet and that they seem to share the same ideals as the archons, the pyro sovereign - as a dragon of war - fighting for their lost authority endlessly seems quite possible! Especially because they get reborn after dying, so it must still be out there somewhere!
@@BluesLoreCrumbsit would explain the hatred for everyone connected to the Archon, like how apep despises Nahida or how Neuvillete seeks to judge other archons… also if the archon has the authority of Pyro it’s possible she could be in a reincarnation loop with the Soveryn, an endless game of cat and mouse, ‘an endless ring of war’ like Neuvillete said.
@@you-yn5hpwell the archons only have part of a Soveryn’s authority, also Zhongli was holding back because he did not wish to kill Azhdaha, only to seal him….. it’s not that Azhdaha was more powerful then Zhongli, it was the fact that Zhongli was mostly put in a defensive role during the battle then an offensive one.😅
1:25 FYI Ei is also an OG Archon meaning three of them that alive "so far" ... just saying so that new people don't get confused. Ei is the true Archon/Victor of the Archon War it's just her twin sibling Makoto doesn't know how to fight so she Ascended her as the "Electro Archon" but throughout the time they both rule the Inazuma together and Attended the Banquet Gathering of the Archons together. (just to make clear that some don't get confused thinking Ei is just a copy like how Nahida and Focalors created)
Good point! She isn't considered an OG archon as she wasn't always in possession of the gnosis; Zhongli first introduced her to us as an archon that had only been in power for 500 years and he and Venti are always called the only 2 remaining OGs in game, but Ei *has* been helping rule Inazuma from the shadows since the archon war.
Another thought. Perhaps Murata is many as if perhaps she is present in all of her children. This would open the posibility of her being capable of hunting herself. Why? What if it is to run tests on different genes and hereditary trait combos to see wich mutations are the most powerful or pragmatic. This would allow her to maintain a dynamic power set that would adjust to the various changes in time, and so the victor would always be the most optimal iteration of Murata for the occasion. This could be happening in parallel to any other events and forces in play, hence why human coexistence might be considered viable among the Vishaps they may be actually using trying to draw out the nature that has allowed humans to prevail over dragons... But thats just a thought 😊
Well, time to freak you out. The Pyro Archon is one of the Four Shades! Not only that, but she’s very likely the Shade of Death!!! “The life force of a dead ancestor can come back to life through the act of birth of a new child, especially when the child is named after the departed ancestor and all is seen to be well” So … I found out that since Natlan is ran by a Tribal Government, that their leader(Archon) would very likely be called a Chieftess. So I looked up Chieftesses to maybe find a potential reference to her and found the “Fiery Kikuyu Chieftess, Wangu Wa Makeri”. Whether she is a reference to Murata or not, we’ll just have to see and then connect the dots, however the reason I mentioned her is to point your direction at the Kikuyu people! I wish I could point out everything I learned in the last hour, and theorize what it would mean for Natlan, but I would be essentially copying and pasting the whole page of information to here if I did so. So instead, I’ll tell you a few of the most vital things. Firstly! That quote I mentioned earlier is actually one of the things that the Kikuyu people believe in. Secondly! They believe in one Supreme Creator, Ngai. Ngai cannot be seen but is manifested in the sun, moon, stars, comets and meteors, thunder and lightning, rain, rainbows, and in the great fig trees. And thirdly! They believe that the first humans created by Ngai are almost like gods, or even gods themselves. Since they got most of their power directly from the Creator. (In Genshin, since Phanes made the Four Shades, wouldn’t they count amongst this as well?) And of course there are many other interesting things, such as there being nine clans that can trace their origins to a single female ancestor and the daughter of Mumbi. (Mumbi is said to be the Mother of the tribe, and one of the first humans created by Ngai.) Like I said, please look into it when you have the chance, I hope it helps you out a bunch! Edit: the reason why I think she’s the Shade of Death is because the Staff of Homa talks about cleansing with fire, and death and butterflies and … yeah, Pyro Archon, Death, Fire, possibly a Shade, so Shade of Death?
@@0XdlpwVwvC so, Mr Fox took the jewel of Death from Ms. Toad to give it to Ms. Jackal. … if we were to relate this to Natlan’s potential story. Murata took the Jewel of Death (whatever that could mean) from the Shade of Death, and gave it to … someone who perished from it. This made me instantly think of “burnt to cinders for a dream.” And a “battle to earn a name.” When the Death Jewel was stolen, everyone forgot how to die, but when it shattered on the ground, everyone started to die as normal. All except for the Pyro Archon. … if any or all of this turns out true, then these events has a likelihood of predating the Archon War. Since Mr Fox life “dragged on”, then theoretically, so should Murata’s … she can’t die, but at the same time, her life only drags on. Whatever that could mean. I wonder if we’ll be encountering these Jewels of Death in Natlan? Or at the very least hear of something that closely relates to a Jewel of Death. Thanks for sharing this with me! Murata may not be the Shade of Death, but rather a God who stole an Object of Death from the Shade. There … is a Kikuyu belief that may connect to this. If someone wishes to make contact with the Higher Forces, they must do so with an animal/plant sacrifice. But if you go to the Higher Forces directly, it is considered ‘thahu’, which means “abomination that leads to a curse.”
The two things I can confirm will happen. One resurrent word is mentioned, so one person is going to die and be reborn, and then the pryo archon's name is Murata Himeko; she already died in the honkai impact, so they're going to repeat the death again in Genshin, and traveller resurrects the archon.
I have a crazy theroy that murata is actually the child of the Pyro dragon sovereign and the shade of death, making her the only dragon god in teyvat, i know it's sounds stupid and 99% it's not true at all, i still find the idea interesting,
it was very weird we know nothing about the archon. we used to get breadcrumbs generally now we dont have any. we dont know anything about archon . if she is alive or not. if she is alive then does she rules over her nation or not? nothing. I always thought that whenever fatui took the gnosis it is either taken forcibly by someone of the same nation or because mutual agreement. sigonara took venti gnosis with force. zhongli willingly gave away gnosis. electro gnosis yae willingly gave away to scara who is puppet of shogun so he is of same nation.dottore was a student at academia and again it was a transaction too. fontiane gnosis it was arlecchino again she was from fontaine. it would understandable if we are getting harbingers from weakest to strong but sumeru we got dottore and then arlecchino. I dont know but fell that this has something to do with pyro archon.like how dendro archon was given task to take care of irminsul maybe pyro archon who is god of war is tasked to make sure that no archon "fight" with each other or something. and again if she doesnt return to leylines after death then is she free from irmunsul too?
The resurrection thing makes me think the joke about Benny being the pyro archon might be true. More serious though. Given that Natlan seems to have both African and Native American inspirations, I think there’s a chance we’ll get a colonization storyline where a hostile outsider tries to take the throne. If I remember my history, some conquistadors pretended to be gods when they first arrived, so something based on that might happen.
Is Zhongli a dragon tho? Humanoid dragons and their descendants all share something, the serpent like pupils. Neuvillette has the serpent pupil, but I don't see it for Zhongli, that's the only reason I to this day can't say Zhongli is actually a dragon. Other than that, great video, loved the theory.
He is an adeptus that takes the form of Dragon. However, we have recently learned that animals like Carp, Bird or snakes can ascend to Adeptihood. So we don't know whether Zhongli was originally a dragon or something else
**SPOILER ALERT for LUPUS AUREUS ACT II QUEST** I wonder if the recent story with Cyno, Sethos, and the Ba Fragments of Hermanubis will tie into Natlan. You know Hoyoverse always has a reason for dropping these quests. I wonder if there is something similar happening in Natlan with fragments of Murata’s divinity being passed on and inherited generation after generation. Maybe a fragment was given to a member of each one of the five/six tribes of Natlan so they all had equal power, (maybe one tribe was where the pyro archon came from so it wasn’t given a fragment) but then people started getting power-hungry, killing and usurping for extra fragments to increase their power and attracting the attention of Ursa the Drake. Perhaps in the end, the remaining two leaders had acquired an equal amount of fragments, and no one had ultimate sovereign leadership. So the tie-breaker fragment(s) was/were hidden away (Bennet, anyone? He was found in the Mare Jivari and has silver hair) to keep it/them from falling into the hands of those who would misuse them. Whoever holds the most fragments has ultimate authority over the region. So then we could get a quest in the future where we have to protect/save Benny-Boy.
@@0XdlpwVwvC Vishaps if long lived and experienced enough can evolve into dragons later. But they themselves are not dragons, just "dragon-like" which is stated also in the wiki. Morax has taken on the form of a woman. Does that mean that he is now a woman? I mean I stan our trans geo queen but we all know the Adepti can change their form. Rex never states what he "was" before becoming Adepti as from what I know he was the first if not one of them. Just because he chose to take the form of a dragon to be "god-like" for his people doesn't mean that's what he is. I don't think there's any basis for calling him a "dragon" as he can change form easily, like most Adepti can. There's just as much logic and backing for me to just say "no Morax is actually just a human woman." Realistically we don't know what Morax's "true" form is. He stays pretty tight lipped about the past.
my proposition: what if people for a second will consider an idea that maybe there is no person named murata? ever since the launch of the game till now i thought how easy for community that is to jump to conclusions and then bam there's a reddit post going into detail why "murata" might've been a mistranslation
Ragvindr ancestor can't be a Children of Murata. He wasn't a nomad, he had a nordic name (very important) which implies he weren't from Natlan, the war against Decarabian that he fought was thounsands of years before Vennessa's clan arrival in Mondstadt, and her clan only went to Mondstadt because they were running from Ursa, there was no reason for another Children of Murata go to Mondstadt before.
I'm not excluding the human-dragon mix possibility, but didn't Neuvi reincarnate as a human because no dragon was pure enough to host him? So... Anything not pure dragon (e.g. a human dragon mix) would not reincarnate... Yet, we have the phenix in Natlan. Maybe the phenix IS the pyro souverin and so it can reincarnate. Maybe it already did. Bennett is sure as H is a reincarnation of someone or something... Also... Making a dragon an archon would defeat the purpose of the premordial's first war against them (and the making of the gnosis)... So I doubt that the Pyro archon is a dragon... Oh, and Zhongli did take the form of a half-dragon half- whatever, but emphasis on TAKING the form of it. He is an adeptus, not a dragon. He can adapt to any form he chooses, but for the ceremony he chose to be this dragon mix (maybe because it sounds magestic). Would he be actually a dragon, he'd not have been so clueless about what Azhdaha was at first (when he digged him up, he at first thought dragon grandpa is some ore), he wouldn't have been chosen as an archon (and he is and OG archon), he wouldn't have been forming governing circles with the adepti (and they wouldn't call him their king), and Neuvillette wouldn't be so hostile towards him (and he is especially so with Zhongli). And Morax is a demon from Ars Goetia - no dragon is named from there but adepti and archons in general are. And Paimon.... Btw, Murata is told to be based on Aim/Aym the duke of hell (also from AG) And Neuvillette is not punished by Celestia because 1) they probably had no idea who he is - or not exactly ( he has no constellation, therefore not tracked by them) 2) even if they did know he is a dragon, what does it matter if he has no authority? And once he did have it back, he became the No1 death threat... Since the Primordial One is bottom line weak, doubt they'd go after him asap About the coexisting of dragons and humans, what was mentioned so far, is that many humans choose a saurian (dragon thingies) companion for themselves, who are sorta life-long friends for them. No one said there was a bloodline mix. I mean, Neuvillette doesn't originate from... That... But then, we have the dragonheir...I mean, Psycho prison nurse's official title on the banner... Why is Sigewinne a wondrous dragonheir???
I see what you mean, but Irminsul doesn't actually change the past, only the records of it as well as the memories of the people. Rukka existed and she was and will always be the OG dendro archon. But as far as most characters are concerned, Nahida is the one and only dendro archon.
That's a common misconception about Irminsul. It doesn't actually change what happened in the past, only what remains of it: information. That's why when Scaramouche tried to unmake himself he couldn't do it. He couldn't change the past so that he'd never been created, because changing the past isn't possible through Irminsul. All Irminsul could do was erase everyone's memories of what happened and replace them with false memories. It's helpful to remember Irminsul is like a computer. When you overwrite a file, the original file's information doesn't exist anymore - but it DID still exist, even if that filename has been overwritten with new information.
@@BluesLoreCrumbs no no, i dont mean for us as a player, i mean for the people of teyvat. like do the people of sumeru and other regions now consider less lord kusanali to also be one of the OG archons?
Nah Murata is a Spaniard. Dragons are the native and therefore the Aztecs, Mayans, and Native Americans while the Gods and the humans are the invaders hence the Spaniards and their Conquistadors.
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What are you guys most excited for in Natlan?
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I'm most excited for the characters themselves and the info we might get over the sky
The human-dragon hybrid line reminded me of something. We haven't seen Vishap people of Enkanomiya for quite some time have we?
We really haven't, maybe it's about time they show up, huh?🤔
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If Vanessa was freakishly strong, and we know that some people in mondstat are possibly decents of Vanessa's tribe, could be Noelle be one of them and this explains her insane strength.
Good point, she is insanely strong 4 star Geo when built properly.
The whole monstadt gang has been an absolute mystery and has so much power potential if they dont spend time afternoon teacups or actually reveal their future plans instead the night. Although diluc is likely the better descendant of vanessa as she had red hair as well. Noelle could say simply born with strength mainly from other groups of people, like the "white haired trait". She doesnt have better backgrounds to support the idea and it could just be coincidental.
@@frenzii8332 pretty sure they mean in lore (where Noelle is lifting up full bookcases and yeeting carts)
Youre probably correct but she is really strong in game too@@Iffem
i believe as well that Diluc is a descebdant of Venessa or maybe Venessa's sister. @@jeevieseverino3949
Maybe all descendants of pyro dragon can ascend to dragonhoood if they can get gnosis. And Diluc get indirect buff half year before Natlan. And he can do "DRAGON strike".
Dainsleif: There are no coincidences in the world. Everything is the fruit of seeds planted long ago.
It makes sense now how his ult is a literal phoenix. And he has a lot of bird related things in his character, animation design as well as in the mansion. It all comes together now.
@@akarireiNot to mention he is a descendant of a hero from a Natlan tribe...
Vishap Theory!
In enkonomiya, it was basically emphasized that for some reason, no matter how much the scientists tried to make the hydro vishaps to inherit and control Pyro, it wouldn’t give.
Perhaps bc the authority of pyro was still with the Dragon of Pyro, meaning the element cannot be made impure.
I suspect that the special thing about the Pyro Archon ia gonna be that she resurrects/reincarnates into a new body with her memories intact.
Which is why, in the Travail trailer, Dain mentions that we will be told a secret.
Because Murata may be the only one who has direct knowledge of the Fall of Khaen'riah, or maybe even the Second Descender.
OMG YES PLEASE LET THIS B TRUE
"incomplete combustion" is the name of himeko's technique in star rail
and murata is himeko's last name in hi3
I have my own theory that murata might be half dragon half god and the Pyro Arcon and the Pyro sovereign are both siblings with them being both born from the primal fire and that they have been at war each other for 500 years because the Pyros wants the authority over pyro and when Murata dies she gets resurrected by the belief and passion of war that is inside her people hence the title “incandescent ode of resurrection” also zhongli is not a dragon he simply takes the form of one but it’s not connected to any dragon heritage whatsoever also I love your theories you’re honestly so underrated you need more subscribers fr
Yeah Zhongli is not the real dragon. He just takes form of it
@@you-yn5hp idk why they wouldn’t especially since 2024 in Chinese is the year of the dragon, and it would be really fitting if we met the dragon sovereign of natlan especially since it’s a nation of dragons, so it would be a waste and miss opportunity
@@isaiahhaley4816i mean he’s retired now. I don’t think he wants to go back to being rex lapis once more.
@@akarirei how does that have anything to do with the theory? I’m just saying that he’s not a dragon he just took a dragon form he’s still Rex lapis just not in position of Robert
@@isaiahhaley4816 who’s robert?
So far we had Vishaps take the form of an Inazuman priestess, and a Melosine.
Kokomi knew about the Vishap and hoped the Traveler can convert them on her side.
Do you mean Tsumi? Tsumi is a complete unknown for now, she may be a vishap, she may be a serpent, like Orobashi.
Something's sussy when the legally isolationist nation with its isolationism enforced by an honestly harsh Shogun saw more travel in and out than Natlan
Actually alot of people go in and out of natlan, in fact it seems that natlan is a hot spot (no pun intended) for tourism, so they there's no closed from the outside world it's just that the natives don't leave, the only (could be but not confirmed) natlanen that we've ever met is Bennett, but he could be the child of a none native,
If the Pyro Archon dies and gets resurrected like a Phoenix, the line in Travail Trailer makes sense: "When the God of War shares her secrets to the traveller, it is because she has her reasons." Once she gets resurrected, the Traveller needs to help her remember of what was. Traveller will be there at her resurrection. Just like what Nahida did to the Traveller at Sumeru Quest where she helped the traveller remember the "memories from his dreams".
When you were talking about the phoenix I just suddenly thought it would be really cool if La Signora had been the Pyro Archon all along. Having one Archon subservient to another would be pretty interesting.
Honkai Impact: Himeko vs dragon
Honkai Star Rail: Himeko vs dragon
Genshin: Himeko= dragon
After watching this one video I kind of had a theory about the Pyro archon, theorist Ashikai came up with the idea that since Neuvillette is the Leviathan and Egeria was created to replace him, what if Zhongli was meant to replace the dragon who was the Behemoth?
But there's also a third animal, a bird called the Ziz, perhaps the former pyro archon was meant to replace the dragon of Natlan and created for a specific role much like Egeria was made to control the heart of the primordial sea. I haven't done in depth research but I've seen that scholars have compared the Ziz to a greek Phoenix as well as the Sumerian Anzu, so maybe like Zhongli who isn't a dragon but seems to have some dragon-like motifs. The pyro archon will be the same way, dragon-like but not a 100% dragon, but I guess we'll see once her demon name is revealed.
Either way with how much info Hoyo is hiding, Natlan has got to be pretty interesting.
This is the theory I believe is the most likely. Also, one that remains most congruent with our current understanding of denizens of both Nibelung and "Phanes" respectively.
Really interesting theory! I hadn't connected Ursa the Drake to Natlan's dragon problem before, but it makes a lot of sense. Ursa has always seemed strange to me, mostly because it apparently roamed the wilderness tormenting people until a few years ago. I don't think we've seen another powerful creature like that in modern Teyvat (let alone one connected to dragons). Venessa is also a curious character, and she + her family are still the only Natlan natives we've seen outside the country. (Though personally I really like the theory that Dehya is from Natlan!) I don't know if the Ragnivindrs are connected, too, since there's not enough to go off of there, but it's an interesting idea.
I am not completely sold on the archon being a dragon, but I don't think it's entirely unlikely. Apep said this in Nahida's story quest: "Some of the dragons have grown close to your kind and have forgotten all about our hatred from when the world was taken from us." What if Celestia practiced "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" and won over one of the sovereigns? Allying with some of them would definitely reduce the threat, especially since it might prevent all seven from banding together in the future. I'm not convinced either way, yet.
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Lol, I suggested during Ashikai's last live stream (she was talking to Onion) that Murata was likely a dragon.
And that Vanessa could have been part dragon...
But while Ashikai seemed to like my idea that Murata could be a dragon.
She didn't seem to like the idea that dragons could reproduce with humans (which isn't exactly what I meant).
But yeah, some weeks ago I asked them and it seemed like she kinda shot the idea down, a bit.... that's the impression she gave me, anyway.
So, while you haven't been in contact with me for a while, now, it looks like you and I are still coming to the same thoughts about things.
Anyway, good video.
Edit:
Adding this- I have thought for a long time now (since 2.8 I think, I started thiking this around or just after) that the Seelies and possibly the Khaenri'ahns were related to the dragons (mainly because 2.8 was when I got into Enka, since I had issues with my PC that left me behind on some quests).
After we learned about the goddess of flowers and the Pari.
And the fact that the Pari, the seelies are all patterned somewhat after sea slugs (and I assume the jinn, since they came from a seelie - likely able to take human form, considering cross-breeding with humans), like dragons are, then... That kind of cemented my thoughts about them all being related to the dragons who are all (almost) patterned after sea or water creatures (Dvalin = sea slug, Azhdaha = frog, Appep = sea snake(?), Neuvillette = Lapis lol, we don't know about Elynas or Durin's shapes. But I'm assuming Scylla (sp?) was similar to Neuvillette 's Lapis-like form).
After we found out that Egeria was patterned after the original water sovereign, also looking similar to a sea slug, as a lot of oceanids do.
It all further makes me think that dragons are connected to the seelies and Khaenri'ahns.
This is it. I understand Ashikai's reservations with Humans and vishaps intermingling because, Enka kinda puts the dampers on that being a natural process and it's one that makes sense to me but.. I have some reservations myself with this stance also and it's exactly because of the sea slug paradox.
Primordial elemental dragons and Seelie both share this sea slug motif. Dvalin is the most obvious example but even erosion Azhdaha has sea slugs that share his adaptations, Apep's guardian also and the sea otters that Neuvillette is often pictured with. All of them have sea slugs that share traits, much like Seelie, who are supposedly denizens of the Primordial one.. It shouldn't make sense, because dragons belong to Nibelung. Entities from 2 opposing realms all linked by one thread..
I forgot to add some honourable mentions here, being Venti's elf from which does remind me a bit of a Seelie also, as you mentioned Oceanid, what about Kapatcir..
Not just that either. Dragons and pure blood Khaenri'an's seem to share one trait that I notice, this thread's not air tight but, when they face corruption, they don't just transform into something else, like hilimonsters and they retain their "sanity"..
I say it's not air tight because they still seem to be somewhat affected by it, Apep lost the plumage they used to have and becomes almost Eldrich like to adapt to it and it seems like Apep also becomes mentally affected. Azhdaha's body erodes as well as his mind. Dvalin is also mentally and physically affected with boils. Also, Dain and the knights seem to fuse with their armour or something like that and their body and mind also erodes.. Hmm... perhaps resistance is a better term?
If adepti and menisins? Melonsin? Idk can mix so can the dragons GRRRRR!!
What if… Murata is being hunted by the Pyro Soveryn?
Given that at least some Sovereigns haven't given up yet and that they seem to share the same ideals as the archons, the pyro sovereign - as a dragon of war - fighting for their lost authority endlessly seems quite possible! Especially because they get reborn after dying, so it must still be out there somewhere!
@@BluesLoreCrumbsit would explain the hatred for everyone connected to the Archon, like how apep despises Nahida or how Neuvillete seeks to judge other archons… also if the archon has the authority of Pyro it’s possible she could be in a reincarnation loop with the Soveryn, an endless game of cat and mouse, ‘an endless ring of war’ like Neuvillete said.
@@you-yn5hpwell the archons only have part of a Soveryn’s authority, also Zhongli was holding back because he did not wish to kill Azhdaha, only to seal him….. it’s not that Azhdaha was more powerful then Zhongli, it was the fact that Zhongli was mostly put in a defensive role during the battle then an offensive one.😅
@@JoshuaA1307 i dont think azhdaha is the sovereign in the first place. i dont think it was ever mentioned azhdaha is sovereign.
@@Daisy999never said he was, I’m saying Morax was in a disadvantage in the fight
1:25 FYI Ei is also an OG Archon meaning three of them that alive "so far" ... just saying so that new people don't get confused.
Ei is the true Archon/Victor of the Archon War it's just her twin sibling Makoto doesn't know how to fight so she Ascended her as the "Electro Archon" but throughout the time they both rule the Inazuma together and Attended the Banquet Gathering of the Archons together. (just to make clear that some don't get confused thinking Ei is just a copy like how Nahida and Focalors created)
Good point! She isn't considered an OG archon as she wasn't always in possession of the gnosis; Zhongli first introduced her to us as an archon that had only been in power for 500 years and he and Venti are always called the only 2 remaining OGs in game, but Ei *has* been helping rule Inazuma from the shadows since the archon war.
Amazing work! Wish you the best of luck with the chanell, you deserve it!
Amazing video! This was a super fun and interesting watch 💛
Another thought. Perhaps Murata is many as if perhaps she is present in all of her children. This would open the posibility of her being capable of hunting herself. Why? What if it is to run tests on different genes and hereditary trait combos to see wich mutations are the most powerful or pragmatic. This would allow her to maintain a dynamic power set that would adjust to the various changes in time, and so the victor would always be the most optimal iteration of Murata for the occasion.
This could be happening in parallel to any other events and forces in play, hence why human coexistence might be considered viable among the Vishaps they may be actually using trying to draw out the nature that has allowed humans to prevail over dragons...
But thats just a thought 😊
Well, time to freak you out. The Pyro Archon is one of the Four Shades! Not only that, but she’s very likely the Shade of Death!!!
“The life force of a dead ancestor can come back to life through the act of birth of a new child, especially when the child is named after the departed ancestor and all is seen to be well”
So … I found out that since Natlan is ran by a Tribal Government, that their leader(Archon) would very likely be called a Chieftess. So I looked up Chieftesses to maybe find a potential reference to her and found the “Fiery Kikuyu Chieftess, Wangu Wa Makeri”. Whether she is a reference to Murata or not, we’ll just have to see and then connect the dots, however the reason I mentioned her is to point your direction at the Kikuyu people!
I wish I could point out everything I learned in the last hour, and theorize what it would mean for Natlan, but I would be essentially copying and pasting the whole page of information to here if I did so.
So instead, I’ll tell you a few of the most vital things.
Firstly! That quote I mentioned earlier is actually one of the things that the Kikuyu people believe in.
Secondly! They believe in one Supreme Creator, Ngai. Ngai cannot be seen but is manifested in the sun, moon, stars, comets and meteors, thunder and lightning, rain, rainbows, and in the great fig trees.
And thirdly! They believe that the first humans created by Ngai are almost like gods, or even gods themselves. Since they got most of their power directly from the Creator. (In Genshin, since Phanes made the Four Shades, wouldn’t they count amongst this as well?)
And of course there are many other interesting things, such as there being nine clans that can trace their origins to a single female ancestor and the daughter of Mumbi. (Mumbi is said to be the Mother of the tribe, and one of the first humans created by Ngai.)
Like I said, please look into it when you have the chance, I hope it helps you out a bunch!
Edit: the reason why I think she’s the Shade of Death is because the Staff of Homa talks about cleansing with fire, and death and butterflies and … yeah, Pyro Archon, Death, Fire, possibly a Shade, so Shade of Death?
@@0XdlpwVwvC so, Mr Fox took the jewel of Death from Ms. Toad to give it to Ms. Jackal.
… if we were to relate this to Natlan’s potential story. Murata took the Jewel of Death (whatever that could mean) from the Shade of Death, and gave it to … someone who perished from it. This made me instantly think of “burnt to cinders for a dream.” And a “battle to earn a name.”
When the Death Jewel was stolen, everyone forgot how to die, but when it shattered on the ground, everyone started to die as normal. All except for the Pyro Archon.
… if any or all of this turns out true, then these events has a likelihood of predating the Archon War. Since Mr Fox life “dragged on”, then theoretically, so should Murata’s … she can’t die, but at the same time, her life only drags on. Whatever that could mean.
I wonder if we’ll be encountering these Jewels of Death in Natlan? Or at the very least hear of something that closely relates to a Jewel of Death.
Thanks for sharing this with me! Murata may not be the Shade of Death, but rather a God who stole an Object of Death from the Shade.
There … is a Kikuyu belief that may connect to this. If someone wishes to make contact with the Higher Forces, they must do so with an animal/plant sacrifice. But if you go to the Higher Forces directly, it is considered ‘thahu’, which means “abomination that leads to a curse.”
The two things I can confirm will happen. One resurrent word is mentioned, so one person is going to die and be reborn, and then the pryo archon's name is Murata Himeko; she already died in the honkai impact, so they're going to repeat the death again in Genshin, and traveller resurrects the archon.
I love this theory
Happy to hear that! Tysm for watching! ^^
I have a crazy theroy that murata is actually the child of the Pyro dragon sovereign and the shade of death, making her the only dragon god in teyvat, i know it's sounds stupid and 99% it's not true at all, i still find the idea interesting,
it was very weird we know nothing about the archon. we used to get breadcrumbs generally now we dont have any. we dont know anything about archon . if she is alive or not. if she is alive then does she rules over her nation or not? nothing.
I always thought that whenever fatui took the gnosis it is either taken forcibly by someone of the same nation or because mutual agreement. sigonara took venti gnosis with force. zhongli willingly gave away gnosis. electro gnosis yae willingly gave away to scara who is puppet of shogun so he is of same nation.dottore was a student at academia and again it was a transaction too. fontiane gnosis it was arlecchino again she was from fontaine.
it would understandable if we are getting harbingers from weakest to strong but sumeru we got dottore and then arlecchino.
I dont know but fell that this has something to do with pyro archon.like how dendro archon was given task to take care of irminsul maybe pyro archon who is god of war is tasked to make sure that no archon "fight" with each other or something.
and again if she doesnt return to leylines after death then is she free from irmunsul too?
The resurrection thing makes me think the joke about Benny being the pyro archon might be true.
More serious though. Given that Natlan seems to have both African and Native American inspirations, I think there’s a chance we’ll get a colonization storyline where a hostile outsider tries to take the throne. If I remember my history, some conquistadors pretended to be gods when they first arrived, so something based on that might happen.
Is Zhongli a dragon tho? Humanoid dragons and their descendants all share something, the serpent like pupils. Neuvillette has the serpent pupil, but I don't see it for Zhongli, that's the only reason I to this day can't say Zhongli is actually a dragon.
Other than that, great video, loved the theory.
He is an adeptus that takes the form of Dragon. However, we have recently learned that animals like Carp, Bird or snakes can ascend to Adeptihood. So we don't know whether Zhongli was originally a dragon or something else
I really think theres a above 0 chance that celestia is empty just like a certain dream castle from a bug game, maybe we are late.
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**SPOILER ALERT for LUPUS AUREUS ACT II QUEST**
I wonder if the recent story with Cyno, Sethos, and the Ba Fragments of Hermanubis will tie into Natlan. You know Hoyoverse always has a reason for dropping these quests. I wonder if there is something similar happening in Natlan with fragments of Murata’s divinity being passed on and inherited generation after generation. Maybe a fragment was given to a member of each one of the five/six tribes of Natlan so they all had equal power, (maybe one tribe was where the pyro archon came from so it wasn’t given a fragment) but then people started getting power-hungry, killing and usurping for extra fragments to increase their power and attracting the attention of Ursa the Drake. Perhaps in the end, the remaining two leaders had acquired an equal amount of fragments, and no one had ultimate sovereign leadership. So the tie-breaker fragment(s) was/were hidden away (Bennet, anyone? He was found in the Mare Jivari and has silver hair) to keep it/them from falling into the hands of those who would misuse them. Whoever holds the most fragments has ultimate authority over the region. So then we could get a quest in the future where we have to protect/save Benny-Boy.
Morax isn't a dragon, he's an Adepti who takes the form of a dragon. Azdaha is just an overgrown Geovishap, also not a dragon. Just a btw.
@@0XdlpwVwvC Vishaps if long lived and experienced enough can evolve into dragons later. But they themselves are not dragons, just "dragon-like" which is stated also in the wiki.
Morax has taken on the form of a woman. Does that mean that he is now a woman? I mean I stan our trans geo queen but we all know the Adepti can change their form. Rex never states what he "was" before becoming Adepti as from what I know he was the first if not one of them.
Just because he chose to take the form of a dragon to be "god-like" for his people doesn't mean that's what he is.
I don't think there's any basis for calling him a "dragon" as he can change form easily, like most Adepti can.
There's just as much logic and backing for me to just say "no Morax is actually just a human woman."
Realistically we don't know what Morax's "true" form is. He stays pretty tight lipped about the past.
Bennett will have a birthday day this year, make sure to wish him a happy birthday, he deserves it for carrying half of the meta lol
my proposition: what if people for a second will consider an idea that maybe there is no person named murata? ever since the launch of the game till now i thought how easy for community that is to jump to conclusions and then bam there's a reddit post going into detail why "murata" might've been a mistranslation
People will change how they call her once she's released or at least is called in game by a different name
@@mitab1 that’s dendro archon once again
Ragvindr ancestor can't be a Children of Murata. He wasn't a nomad, he had a nordic name (very important) which implies he weren't from Natlan, the war against Decarabian that he fought was thounsands of years before Vennessa's clan arrival in Mondstadt, and her clan only went to Mondstadt because they were running from Ursa, there was no reason for another Children of Murata go to Mondstadt before.
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I'm not excluding the human-dragon mix possibility, but didn't Neuvi reincarnate as a human because no dragon was pure enough to host him? So... Anything not pure dragon (e.g. a human dragon mix) would not reincarnate... Yet, we have the phenix in Natlan. Maybe the phenix IS the pyro souverin and so it can reincarnate. Maybe it already did. Bennett is sure as H is a reincarnation of someone or something...
Also... Making a dragon an archon would defeat the purpose of the premordial's first war against them (and the making of the gnosis)... So I doubt that the Pyro archon is a dragon...
Oh, and Zhongli did take the form of a half-dragon half- whatever, but emphasis on TAKING the form of it. He is an adeptus, not a dragon. He can adapt to any form he chooses, but for the ceremony he chose to be this dragon mix (maybe because it sounds magestic). Would he be actually a dragon, he'd not have been so clueless about what Azhdaha was at first (when he digged him up, he at first thought dragon grandpa is some ore), he wouldn't have been chosen as an archon (and he is and OG archon), he wouldn't have been forming governing circles with the adepti (and they wouldn't call him their king), and Neuvillette wouldn't be so hostile towards him (and he is especially so with Zhongli). And Morax is a demon from Ars Goetia - no dragon is named from there but adepti and archons in general are. And Paimon....
Btw, Murata is told to be based on Aim/Aym the duke of hell (also from AG)
And Neuvillette is not punished by Celestia because
1) they probably had no idea who he is - or not exactly ( he has no constellation, therefore not tracked by them)
2) even if they did know he is a dragon, what does it matter if he has no authority? And once he did have it back, he became the No1 death threat... Since the Primordial One is bottom line weak, doubt they'd go after him asap
About the coexisting of dragons and humans, what was mentioned so far, is that many humans choose a saurian (dragon thingies) companion for themselves, who are sorta life-long friends for them. No one said there was a bloodline mix. I mean, Neuvillette doesn't originate from... That... But then, we have the dragonheir...I mean, Psycho prison nurse's official title on the banner... Why is Sigewinne a wondrous dragonheir???
1:34, now that greater lord doesnt exist, should there be 3 orignal archons since buer is technically also one of the orignals?
I see what you mean, but Irminsul doesn't actually change the past, only the records of it as well as the memories of the people. Rukka existed and she was and will always be the OG dendro archon. But as far as most characters are concerned, Nahida is the one and only dendro archon.
That's a common misconception about Irminsul. It doesn't actually change what happened in the past, only what remains of it: information. That's why when Scaramouche tried to unmake himself he couldn't do it. He couldn't change the past so that he'd never been created, because changing the past isn't possible through Irminsul. All Irminsul could do was erase everyone's memories of what happened and replace them with false memories. It's helpful to remember Irminsul is like a computer. When you overwrite a file, the original file's information doesn't exist anymore - but it DID still exist, even if that filename has been overwritten with new information.
@@BluesLoreCrumbs no no, i dont mean for us as a player, i mean for the people of teyvat. like do the people of sumeru and other regions now consider less lord kusanali to also be one of the OG archons?
Lore: Dragons are in Natlan.
Potential twist: Just usual generic NPCs with dragonic designs.
Let's wait now.
That's sucks because it would have loved if it was like how to train your dragon, with each character having a dragon pet or something like that
Kokomi is also part-dragon.
I think murata is indeed dead but will return by some sort of resurrection 😌
one can only dream :)
Natlan is a nation of human-dragon hybrids i.e. "make love, not war"...
More like make love AND war 😂
If a on-going war happens like in Ukraine, Gaza would normal people just venture in with a smile? I think not 😅
Bruh the meme became reality???? Bennett might actually be the pyro archon?
I mean i like the reincarnation theory better but this is a close contestant
Zhongli isn't a dragon.
Why would Celestia choose a dragon to be archon
Klee is a dragon lol
Nah Murata is a Spaniard. Dragons are the native and therefore the Aztecs, Mayans, and Native Americans while the Gods and the humans are the invaders hence the Spaniards and their Conquistadors.
Bro what?? No she isn’t, she is not Spainard ew. She’d be based off Aztec and West African