The gamedev special, a one sentence description with a 3-page hidden terms and conditions 🙏 I wish it didn't happen so often, but I often understand why it does
TLDR. The Fragment only functions under very specific circumstances, which are not mentioned in the fragments description. The fragment is more of a downside than anything because there are many ways where it could stop working for you, even when you're useing it properly. Don't use it until it is patched.
Well actually that isn't quite true. It does work with the amplified aspect on hunter. Furthermore, when I use my rat king build it works. It's not like you shouldn't use it but you should test how it intereacts. This is really annoying but meh
For the Watlock buddy build I use feed the void aspect so I’m getting devour on every buddy kill. So my loop works perfect. Consume arc grenade, get a kill get devour then drop my solar buddy and my phoenix dive comes back as advertised. I don’t have this problem he talks about. Also my recovery is 23 and my phoenix dive still is there when I need it.
@@Sol_1nvictus5813 yes, if you are actively making sure you have devour up at all times the bug should not effect you. which it sounds like you are unintentionally doing it correctly
@@Sol_1nvictus5813But if a teammate buffs you before devour activates the fragment doesn’t work. It’s inconsistent in a team setting, especially in a raid.
Not really? Because just mean ur not using ur ability, I have constant up time on all my buff, soooo use ur mele ability more often especially ones that apply buff
@@sleightlyabnormal9313 But it doesn't workproperly if you apply buffs to yourself in the wrong order, if allies grant you a buff that overwrite yours or if you reach 4 different ones from different sources. That doesn't seem intentional, so it should be fixed.
I’ve been using a gifted conviction ascension build and could not figure out why the regen was either cracked or dog water and couldn’t consistently replicate it. Now I know
This was fantastic, I was literally testing this out yesterday and comparing different buff types. You went beyond that though, thanks for the information on order of buff application and number of buffs before it disabled the fragment!
so thats why on my warlock i dont feel it, at all, but on my hunter since i only ever have woven mail or radiant, it works like a charm i have another thing possible to test which i have had a feeling about: i have noticed the increased ability regen when the only buff i had was Facet of Command, maybe it considers that an elemental buff too? making the 4+ buffs shutting it down even more of a detriment
The real TLDR is; this Fragment is DEFINITELY broken, so don’t use it for now and report it to Bungie. It’s not powerful enough to warrant how hard it is to use, so it’s definitely a bug. Hopefully they fix this soon.
Kinda glad it works like this, before I realised how it actually worked I never took this fragment off. Even when I wanted to replace it with fragments that could make the build better. I finally replaced it and realised the regen was almost the exact same 😅
I came here for answers and am leaving so confused. I already thought it was bugged so instead of trying to figure out a playstype to make it work I'm just gonna use something else
Man, thank you so much for that deepdive. I buildcraft often and test things, but this goes way beyond! I have a free slot now for something 😁 Plz... continue this.. you will grow fast. I got Microcosm last night und wanted to craft a build to push it. I saw some things not mentioned before by other YT Channels. For example: no damage falloff! And that the targets you killed go down in the colour/element of your equiped super. Maybe there is a way to take advantage of it. Yeah. There are so many silly syngeries (which i love) and problems in this game, that you have enough content for the future 🙌 Another example i realised yesterday by testing: on Titan, the Aspect "Knockout", which turns the uncharged melee to arc powered counts as "ability" to proc the Heart of inmost Light. So you can keep ability regen 2x easy 100% up, even when your real abilities are on cooldown... but... the arc powered melee doesn't count as "powered melee" to proc unraveling rounds on the facet from prismatic.... It would be absolutly awesome, when you make this kind of videos for .... EVERYTHING 😂 in the game.
Huh. I thought I'd noticed inconsistencies on warlock using the double buddy build. That's kinda annoying. Guess I'll swap to something else until this gets fixed. Thanks for the heads up.
Nah bungie notorious for not fixing things that actually hurt us (this). Instead focus on things that are beneficial to us and kill that first (facet of command). If we're lucky well get this looked at in act 2.
If it doesnt work you can see it on your screen that the buff is missing. Bungie said on the help page that you have to switch your ability real quick which resets it and then works properly.
Thank you for this, and I appreciate your time investment. I didn't feel like it was working consistently and now I know why. I think I am just going to ditch it for something else.
Doesn't sound like it's any more specific than any other fragment. Doesn't sound broken either. Buff applied, use your class ability, Regen increases. It's a triggered ability rather than a static ability.
@@kiibro I 6000% did, bud. It seems to be functioning as intended. Most likely, the wording is slightly off, though it does work just fine on my Hunter when I activate Ascension.
Negative, I tested this without the piece with facet of purpose and a arc super (when collecting an orb of power you get an elemental buff) also on hunter and it still didn’t work
Is it fixed?! They said so in the latest patch notes, but i see no difference. Poping Barricade with Abeyant Leap (10 sec Woven Mail Buff) and the Barricade still takes 22 sec to replanish. Good to see with the buff "Rally Barricade" which lasts 20 sec. Tryed it also with Amplified at the same time, but still no difference.
@@kiibro Would be awesome! I see so many RUclipsrs not knowing about this and can't find anything like your video to this topic in the internet. Hugh thanks for your ultra deep dive with this video!!!
I think ppl have moved on from the get away artist build to try new things at this point, but those who still, def kinda sucks this is bugged, glad i have never used this fragment cuz i dint rlly see the use of fast class ability With how prismatic works i think i understand why this kinda issues has arrisen, sure they will fix it, might take awhile with the many issues tied to it
I'm confused with this video, my phoenix dive IS 7 seconds with devour, and healing grenade, I recast it when helion still had 13 seconds to expire, and it's tier 5 recovery...
People,so many of the aspect give free elemental buff, use them. Facet of purpose litreally pick up an orb. The new seasonal mod give radiant for picking up an mod, use them walk over mode u will get them, in most situation u should always have a buff
Why is this oddly specific and non stackable, I thought it'll be worth since class ability have nice synergy with other abilities, 1.6x doesn't make much difference and achievable with some armor mods.
That's dumb af, I knew this facet wasn't working right. That's a bummer because lowering class ability CD is something that warlock struggles with compared to hunters and titans. Oh well
Sorry to shut you down, but unless the fragment has broken in the last two days, this just isn’t true. Get those acts of arson ready lol. One of my most used builds so far is prismatic Hunter with the new chest piece and ascension, and my class ability almost always recharges fully before the initial amplified buff runs out. (Running 50 mobility at base btw, with amplified giving it that extra 50 I think). So amplified definitely procs it and I’m not sure why you are seeing what you’re seeing
“This guy did a bunch of testing but I’m pretty sure it’s working in my build so he’s wrong”. -you Just test it yourself. I’ve done a bunch of testing on hunter with and without gifted conviction. With and without ascension even. Amplified alone just does not proc the fragment.
Either you have other buffs like radiant or an overshield, or the reason you’re getting your class ability back has nothing to do with the fragment. Amplified lasts 15 seconds. Your 50 mobility + amplified = 100 mob. Marksman dodge cd at 100 mobility is about 16 seconds. So if you’re making a single ionic trace, you’d get your dodge back before amplified runs out. If the fragment was working, you should be able to get your dodge back in closer to 12 seconds without killing any enemies or picking anything up. Just test your build somewhere where you aren’t killing enemies and I promise you’ll get these results.
@@shank8120wow you’re very convinced that you’re right. I run gamblers dodge which is an 18 second cooldown at Max mobility (which if you can do simple math, is longer than 15 seconds) and I was in a jumping puzzle doing this. No enemies killed. I had another charge by the time amplified ran out. Maybe you should do some testing yourself
The gamedev special, a one sentence description with a 3-page hidden terms and conditions 🙏
I wish it didn't happen so often, but I often understand why it does
TLDR. The Fragment only functions under very specific circumstances, which are not mentioned in the fragments description. The fragment is more of a downside than anything because there are many ways where it could stop working for you, even when you're useing it properly. Don't use it until it is patched.
Damn, I guess it only activates when I'm paying attention to the recovery speed of it lmao
Well actually that isn't quite true. It does work with the amplified aspect on hunter. Furthermore, when I use my rat king build it works. It's not like you shouldn't use it but you should test how it intereacts.
This is really annoying but meh
For the Watlock buddy build I use feed the void aspect so I’m getting devour on every buddy kill. So my loop works perfect. Consume arc grenade, get a kill get devour then drop my solar buddy and my phoenix dive comes back as advertised. I don’t have this problem he talks about. Also my recovery is 23 and my phoenix dive still is there when I need it.
@@Sol_1nvictus5813 yes, if you are actively making sure you have devour up at all times the bug should not effect you. which it sounds like you are unintentionally doing it correctly
@@Sol_1nvictus5813But if a teammate buffs you before devour activates the fragment doesn’t work. It’s inconsistent in a team setting, especially in a raid.
Sounds like something bungie will need to fix.
i have a feeling this will be shadow patched and not brought up
sounds like Bungie
Not really? Because just mean ur not using ur ability, I have constant up time on all my buff, soooo use ur mele ability more often especially ones that apply buff
@@sleightlyabnormal9313 But it doesn't workproperly if you apply buffs to yourself in the wrong order, if allies grant you a buff that overwrite yours or if you reach 4 different ones from different sources. That doesn't seem intentional, so it should be fixed.
@@JamesFustonbug happens as they do in all games someone who things they are being clever “sounds like bungie” nah that’s just gamedev in general
So if we’re lucky; this’ll get fixed by episode 3
“If”
I think my brain just melted.
That's why I noticed my class ability was taking soooo long to recharge even with this fragment, thank you time to put it in the trash can for now
I’ve been using a gifted conviction ascension build and could not figure out why the regen was either cracked or dog water and couldn’t consistently replicate it. Now I know
Leaving with more questions than I started with, looking forward to part 2
Part 2 is just me telling you not use it ❤
Honestly, even when it works, is not that good, I'll just replace it
This was fantastic, I was literally testing this out yesterday and comparing different buff types. You went beyond that though, thanks for the information on order of buff application and number of buffs before it disabled the fragment!
It was a chain reaction, 1 test would lead into another. It was a journey indeed
Maaaaan I'm just gonna take this off.
Thank you so much for taking the time to do all this research and testing!
Better to use Facet of Awakening to get elemental pickups for class ability regen.
Great video. I noticed this last week that something felt off so i took it off, seeing this video now everything makes sense
thank you for the heads up. Spaghetti code
Given that I really like to build in this game, your detailed description was incredibly helpful. Just earned a new sub.
so thats why on my warlock i dont feel it, at all, but on my hunter since i only ever have woven mail or radiant, it works like a charm
i have another thing possible to test which i have had a feeling about: i have noticed the increased ability regen when the only buff i had was Facet of Command, maybe it considers that an elemental buff too? making the 4+ buffs shutting it down even more of a detriment
The real TLDR is; this Fragment is DEFINITELY broken, so don’t use it for now and report it to Bungie. It’s not powerful enough to warrant how hard it is to use, so it’s definitely a bug. Hopefully they fix this soon.
Thank you for your testing efforts
5 minutes of yapping
That must have taken you a long time, thanks for the information buddy
This is actually super helpful and explains a lot. Thank you.
Very useful information, thanks!
What was that emote you were doing at start of vid?
Awesome, liked and subscribed!
Without this video I would've never known that I'm getting no benefit from this, thanks!
Kinda glad it works like this, before I realised how it actually worked I never took this fragment off. Even when I wanted to replace it with fragments that could make the build better. I finally replaced it and realised the regen was almost the exact same 😅
Thank you for doing all that work 🫡 your hard work and dedication are greatly appreciated
Thanks for the research and insight. Not using is much simpler
Yeah I noticed it doesn't seem to work 90% of the time and can't figure out why
goated vid bro
I came here for answers and am leaving so confused. I already thought it was bugged so instead of trying to figure out a playstype to make it work I'm just gonna use something else
Man, thank you so much for that deepdive. I buildcraft often and test things, but this goes way beyond! I have a free slot now for something 😁
Plz... continue this.. you will grow fast. I got Microcosm last night und wanted to craft a build to push it. I saw some things not mentioned before by other YT Channels. For example: no damage falloff! And that the targets you killed go down in the colour/element of your equiped super. Maybe there is a way to take advantage of it. Yeah. There are so many silly syngeries (which i love) and problems in this game, that you have enough content for the future 🙌
Another example i realised yesterday by testing: on Titan, the Aspect "Knockout", which turns the uncharged melee to arc powered counts as "ability" to proc the Heart of inmost Light. So you can keep ability regen 2x easy 100% up, even when your real abilities are on cooldown... but... the arc powered melee doesn't count as "powered melee" to proc unraveling rounds on the facet from prismatic....
It would be absolutly awesome, when you make this kind of videos for .... EVERYTHING 😂 in the game.
Spaghetti code goes wild
Thanks for the research!
I noticed bomber doesn't proc with phoenix dive on prismatic
Huh. I thought I'd noticed inconsistencies on warlock using the double buddy build. That's kinda annoying. Guess I'll swap to something else until this gets fixed. Thanks for the heads up.
Lots of fragments to work with. Something else will work lol
whats the shader on the auto bro?
Nah bungie notorious for not fixing things that actually hurt us (this). Instead focus on things that are beneficial to us and kill that first (facet of command). If we're lucky well get this looked at in act 2.
Can you figure out how inmost light works on the class item, I feel like it doesn’t work sometimes on my warlock
If it doesnt work you can see it on your screen that the buff is missing. Bungie said on the help page that you have to switch your ability real quick which resets it and then works properly.
Very well done and yes it is clearly a waste of a fragment slot according to your information
So amplified makes it bug out
Great…
Where do you get that dragon head ornament from?
Trials
Just in time! Yesterday i was wondering why it wasnt working
*doesn't follow a dungeon mechanic level terms and conditions*
"you will not benefit from the fragment"
hahaha pretty much, making sure you are going through the correct loop all the time makes it so unfun to use
Im so much of a sceptic that on day 1 of the expansion i sat did my own testing and came to the same conclusion😂 just had a feeling
But does the buff work with just devour? In my build I don't get amplify. I feel like it is faster with devour
yes every buff that isnt amplified will work
This is truly a destiny 2 moment
Im so glad i changed this fragment
Thank you for this, and I appreciate your time investment. I didn't feel like it was working consistently and now I know why. I think I am just going to ditch it for something else.
I also feel the fragment that gives grenade and melee based on light or dark also is bugged or buggy. That or incredibly weak
Doesn't sound like it's any more specific than any other fragment. Doesn't sound broken either. Buff applied, use your class ability, Regen increases. It's a triggered ability rather than a static ability.
You 6000% did not watch all the way through
@@kiibro I 6000% did, bud. It seems to be functioning as intended. Most likely, the wording is slightly off, though it does work just fine on my Hunter when I activate Ascension.
Would it be possible that the issue is caused by amplified being granted by the exotic armor piece?
Negative, I tested this without the piece with facet of purpose and a arc super (when collecting an orb of power you get an elemental buff) also on hunter and it still didn’t work
Is it fixed?! They said so in the latest patch notes, but i see no difference. Poping Barricade with Abeyant Leap (10 sec Woven Mail Buff) and the Barricade still takes 22 sec to replanish. Good to see with the buff "Rally Barricade" which lasts 20 sec. Tryed it also with Amplified at the same time, but still no difference.
@@timme651 I’m contemplating testing everything again but very slack
@@kiibro Would be awesome! I see so many RUclipsrs not knowing about this and can't find anything like your video to this topic in the internet. Hugh thanks for your ultra deep dive with this video!!!
Thank god I knew it wasn’t working at all in my hunter kit, it literally does nothing for hunters right now
I think ppl have moved on from the get away artist build to try new things at this point, but those who still, def kinda sucks this is bugged, glad i have never used this fragment cuz i dint rlly see the use of fast class ability
With how prismatic works i think i understand why this kinda issues has arrisen, sure they will fix it, might take awhile with the many issues tied to it
Yeah I noticed it barely increased my regen if at all
Need to signal boost this
yea this guy my day 1 teamate
Well done.👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿. Also a 9 second phoenix dive would be AMAZING
I'm confused with this video, my phoenix dive IS 7 seconds with devour, and healing grenade, I recast it when helion still had 13 seconds to expire, and it's tier 5 recovery...
Ok, I re-watched few of my vids, I'm in the wrong, I had travelers facet active when it took 7 seconds, it's around 30 without it.
Yea. I started using facet of ruin instead yesterday.
Pasta lookin ahh game frfr.
Too many requirements and hoops to even put on, hope it gets fixed
Does this mean Shieldcrush is also broken? They are both phrased similarly. 🤔
People,so many of the aspect give free elemental buff, use them. Facet of purpose litreally pick up an orb. The new seasonal mod give radiant for picking up an mod, use them walk over mode u will get them, in most situation u should always have a buff
But 4 buffs shuts it down aagain...
Thank you
Im more confused now lol
People prioritize triple 100s way to damn much.
amen 🙏
Thanks dude. I’m gonna take that shit off now lmao
useless if you have to be keeping tabs on when something is used and in what order, to get 10sec faster return.
Nice paint skills bruh
we learning algebra today
If this is how the fragment is intended to function, I'll simply never equip it. xD
This definitely sounds broken. It shouldn't be that complex....
Bro how long you been playing ? The reason it’s not working is because you have ice cream coloured Rufus duh
this video blowing up. a lot of people have this question.
Why is this oddly specific and non stackable, I thought it'll be worth since class ability have nice synergy with other abilities, 1.6x doesn't make much difference and achievable with some armor mods.
Okay so basically it’s not worth it? Okay got it.
yea ill just leave this one out of my build i guess
So titans with abeyant leap should be fine
Yeah y’all be chillin
Or titans with strongholds 😎
Safe to say it’s bugged
That's dumb af, I knew this facet wasn't working right. That's a bummer because lowering class ability CD is something that warlock struggles with compared to hunters and titans. Oh well
Cool
Bubububug
They need to fix all these issues 🤦♂️ send to the devs !!
vid good. I follow
Me = happy
I would never use this fragment
So PEMDAS, not BODMAS. Gotcha.
Okay so basically: "Don't use Facet of Hope and use other ways of getting class ability back." Got it
sounds more like a bug that needs fixing not a function
Sorry to shut you down, but unless the fragment has broken in the last two days, this just isn’t true. Get those acts of arson ready lol. One of my most used builds so far is prismatic Hunter with the new chest piece and ascension, and my class ability almost always recharges fully before the initial amplified buff runs out. (Running 50 mobility at base btw, with amplified giving it that extra 50 I think). So amplified definitely procs it and I’m not sure why you are seeing what you’re seeing
“This guy did a bunch of testing but I’m pretty sure it’s working in my build so he’s wrong”. -you
Just test it yourself. I’ve done a bunch of testing on hunter with and without gifted conviction. With and without ascension even. Amplified alone just does not proc the fragment.
Either you have other buffs like radiant or an overshield, or the reason you’re getting your class ability back has nothing to do with the fragment. Amplified lasts 15 seconds. Your 50 mobility + amplified = 100 mob. Marksman dodge cd at 100 mobility is about 16 seconds.
So if you’re making a single ionic trace, you’d get your dodge back before amplified runs out. If the fragment was working, you should be able to get your dodge back in closer to 12 seconds without killing any enemies or picking anything up. Just test your build somewhere where you aren’t killing enemies and I promise you’ll get these results.
@@shank8120wow you’re very convinced that you’re right. I run gamblers dodge which is an 18 second cooldown at Max mobility (which if you can do simple math, is longer than 15 seconds) and I was in a jumping puzzle doing this. No enemies killed. I had another charge by the time amplified ran out. Maybe you should do some testing yourself
This is like bodmas/pedmas but stupid 🤓
Good find!
not my fault if theres audio issues
I love bungie ok, but this is some text book spaghetti code what in the fuck is happening
how do u even fumble making such a simple fragment lmao
Yeah, removind this fragment from my hunter asap
Why didn't they just make simple 😂
Yeah hopefully they fix this junk😂
This fragment is a waste of space for sure. Its broken (in a bad way)
W video. Plz fix bungie
yea bro i feel asleep, just take the fragment off
Type shit
So don’t use getaway artist, got it 👍