I gotta say Rob... I love my eDRUMin, SO much. I'm only using it for a snare trigger, with positional sensing (I bought the very one you're using in this video, arriving this week)... unreal. I will buy more eDRUMins and completely replace my Roland. Everyone needs to know about eDRUMin. EVVVVREEEEONNNNE. Thanks again, man!!
Keep making videos bro ♥️ I just bought my unit and every video helps me immensely 💪🏼👌🏻🙏 if you want to sell more units, make more videos/tutorials. It will give more people(less midi-savy drummer) courage to buy the edrumin. I’ve sole my drum modules. Toontrack and audiofront is all you need 💪🏼 and love 💕
Properly dialed in this edrums sounds just as good as some expensive acoustic snare plus I have this snare on the way here to US from Germany haha. Expensive little snare but listening to this made it worth it.
i have a td17 which does not support positional sensing on either ride or snare, would i be able to connect an edrum in and use 1 or 2 lemon cymbal(s) which are capable of positional sensing along with my td17 via midi?
Looking to upgrade my snare to one that supports positional sensing, and is compatible with my EDrumin10. It appears currently the EDrumin doesn't support multi sensor pads, is this correct? So aside from the DDT MS-140 here in the video, what else will work? I'm looking at the Roland PD-140DS and the Drumtec Pro 3 snare drum. Any others I've missed?
Version 2.3 supports positional sensing on the ATV s13 snare and Roland PDA-120L (both multi sensor) and possibly others. Positional sensing works well most center mounted setups as well. but stay away from 3-ply mesh heads.
How does the scaling function? :) I have two drum samples in my superior drummer 2 on is called snare center and the other is snare edge. I guess i would set eDRUmin to trigger those by using the two different CC inputs? Is the area between thoose then scaled by triggering them both at the same time with different velocities?
I just picked up SD3 and have been enjoying it, except that I'm using an Alesis Strike Pro SE which does not support positional sensing. I just stumbled on to eDrumin and it looks like a perfect product for my use case (VST processing). Have you tested the Alesis Strike Pro snare's or received any feedback from people who attempted positional sensing with the Strike Pro through eDrumin? Really great product you have here.
The pad is supported by eDRUMIn, but without positional sensing. I have seen data from that pad, and as far as I could tell there was no way to get positional information from it.
whole kit here but using real cymbals. PS is only going to be useful if the drum sampler you use supports it for that drum or cymbal. So it's also very useful on ride cymbals and hihats as well as snares. Basically any drum software that includes it or has different midi note assignments for different articulations on the drum.
I saw where you said positional sensing in not possible on the Alesis Strike pro pads. Is that true for all Alesis? I have crimson II SE. I seem to be getting positional info on DSP trigger... Can you fill in the blanks here? Thank you!!
If it's working with DSP TRIGGER, then chances are it'll working with eDRUMin. eDRUMin excepts a single center mounted piezo. Many Alesis pads have three peizos. To the best of my knowledge, those types of pads won't work although I have never tested any Alesis pads personally.
@@yeahtuna That's true - unfortunately! The Alesis Pads have the rim trigger piezo glued to the chassis. The head trigger piezo sits on a quadratic thin acrylic plate that is placed on a large decoupler foam bar. On that acrylic plate, you have 4 foam rods mounted on the edges touching the mesh head. And, as I was told and after testing it with the edumin positional sensing is not working. I switched from Alesis to ATV, but having that 3 side mounted piezo setup / pos. sens. is also not possible. With that kind of pads you have no issues with hot spotting. Now - I got a Jobeky 14" snare e-drum, center mounted piezo and its working awesome with SD3, with hot spotting, but I have to tweak the eDrumIn hotspot supression.
Is the edrumin like a sound card for the trigger inputs or does it require a sound card to process/convert the inputs from analog to digital? I'm guessing a low latency sound card is needed to process the VST and for the output DA but the edrumin handles the AD convertion of the inputs.
It's a trigger interface. It does all the analog to digital onboard and outputs MIDI over USB amd/or MIDI over DIN. But yes, a low latency sound card is needed to hear the audio from VSTs.
@@yeahtuna Aha so it doesn't do the processing on the PC? The reason I'm asking is because I was wondering if it avoids the extra MIDI latency/jitter but I guess it doesn't. I'm not sure how much latency midi over midi has. I've read all from 0.125ms to over 10ms. Midi din is 1ms.
@@sabahoudini No, all processing is done on the device. USB MIDI -> VST latency is about 3ms, and jitter is low enough that I didn't even bother to measure it.
@@yeahtuna By midi latency I mean only the latency to send the midi signal it self. I understand that the triggering latency is the scan time plus the processing on the microcontroller. Are you saying that it takes 3ms from pad hit to MIDI being recorded in the daw? If that is the case then it's pretty much on par with the roland modules which is pretty good.
Does positional sensing work with the Roland VAD series pads like the VAD 103 or 306 ? I didn't find anything about if the trigger is centre or side mounted.
@@SchwappSchwopp true, for positional sensing you’ll need center triggers, for snare anyway, for toms it doesn’t matter since there is no positional sensing sounds on tom heads
I gotta say Rob... I love my eDRUMin, SO much. I'm only using it for a snare trigger, with positional sensing (I bought the very one you're using in this video, arriving this week)... unreal. I will buy more eDRUMins and completely replace my Roland. Everyone needs to know about eDRUMin. EVVVVREEEEONNNNE. Thanks again, man!!
Keep making videos bro ♥️ I just bought my unit and every video helps me immensely 💪🏼👌🏻🙏 if you want to sell more units, make more videos/tutorials. It will give more people(less midi-savy drummer) courage to buy the edrumin. I’ve sole my drum modules. Toontrack and audiofront is all you need 💪🏼 and love 💕
Properly dialed in this edrums sounds just as good as some expensive acoustic snare plus I have this snare on the way here to US from Germany haha. Expensive little snare but listening to this made it worth it.
i have a td17 which does not support positional sensing on either ride or snare, would i be able to connect an edrum in and use 1 or 2 lemon cymbal(s) which are capable of positional sensing along with my td17 via midi?
Looking to upgrade my snare to one that supports positional sensing, and is compatible with my EDrumin10.
It appears currently the EDrumin doesn't support multi sensor pads, is this correct?
So aside from the DDT MS-140 here in the video, what else will work?
I'm looking at the Roland PD-140DS and the Drumtec Pro 3 snare drum.
Any others I've missed?
Version 2.3 supports positional sensing on the ATV s13 snare and Roland PDA-120L (both multi sensor) and possibly others. Positional sensing works well most center mounted setups as well. but stay away from 3-ply mesh heads.
@@yeahtuna Thanks so much for the response Rob!
Ill check those out, thank you!
@@yeahtunawhats the problem with 3 ply?😢
@@etbatera It's noisy and the high frequency noise makes it difficult to read position and perform hotspot suppression.
How does the scaling function? :) I have two drum samples in my superior drummer 2 on is called snare center and the other is snare edge. I guess i would set eDRUmin to trigger those by using the two different CC inputs? Is the area between thoose then scaled by triggering them both at the same time with different velocities?
I just picked up SD3 and have been enjoying it, except that I'm using an Alesis Strike Pro SE which does not support positional sensing. I just stumbled on to eDrumin and it looks like a perfect product for my use case (VST processing). Have you tested the Alesis Strike Pro snare's or received any feedback from people who attempted positional sensing with the Strike Pro through eDrumin? Really great product you have here.
The pad is supported by eDRUMIn, but without positional sensing. I have seen data from that pad, and as far as I could tell there was no way to get positional information from it.
Do you think it will ever be possible to add digital pads down the road? Or maybe with an updated version of the box?
ED10 already supports digital pads via its USB host port.
@@yeahtuna wow. This thing is amazing
Is it possible to get a 12 input unit in the future? Thanks!
THE SNARE YOU ARE USING WHERE CAN I GET IT
Will this work with my Roland TM-6 Pro?
Do people typically just do this for the snare? Or the toms as well?
whole kit here but using real cymbals. PS is only going to be useful if the drum sampler you use supports it for that drum or cymbal. So it's also very useful on ride cymbals and hihats as well as snares. Basically any drum software that includes it or has different midi note assignments for different articulations on the drum.
is there a way to change transients and curves just for the edge zone with out affecting the center one?
No, not currently.
@@robertjonkman98 is there an option or update to get positional sensing with a 3 cone design as the new update on the pearl mimic?
I saw where you said positional sensing in not possible on the Alesis Strike pro pads. Is that true for all Alesis? I have crimson II SE. I seem to be getting positional info on DSP trigger...
Can you fill in the blanks here?
Thank you!!
If it's working with DSP TRIGGER, then chances are it'll working with eDRUMin. eDRUMin excepts a single center mounted piezo. Many Alesis pads have three peizos. To the best of my knowledge, those types of pads won't work although I have never tested any Alesis pads personally.
@@yeahtuna That's true - unfortunately! The Alesis Pads have the rim trigger piezo glued to the chassis. The head trigger piezo sits on a quadratic thin acrylic plate that is placed on a large decoupler foam bar. On that acrylic plate, you have 4 foam rods mounted on the edges touching the mesh head. And, as I was told and after testing it with the edumin positional sensing is not working. I switched from Alesis to ATV, but having that 3 side mounted piezo setup / pos. sens. is also not possible. With that kind of pads you have no issues with hot spotting.
Now - I got a Jobeky 14" snare e-drum, center mounted piezo and its working awesome with SD3, with hot spotting, but I have to tweak the eDrumIn hotspot supression.
Is the edrumin like a sound card for the trigger inputs or does it require a sound card to process/convert the inputs from analog to digital? I'm guessing a low latency sound card is needed to process the VST and for the output DA but the edrumin handles the AD convertion of the inputs.
It's a trigger interface. It does all the analog to digital onboard and outputs MIDI over USB amd/or MIDI over DIN. But yes, a low latency sound card is needed to hear the audio from VSTs.
@@yeahtuna Aha so it doesn't do the processing on the PC? The reason I'm asking is because I was wondering if it avoids the extra MIDI latency/jitter but I guess it doesn't. I'm not sure how much latency midi over midi has. I've read all from 0.125ms to over 10ms. Midi din is 1ms.
@@sabahoudini No, all processing is done on the device. USB MIDI -> VST latency is about 3ms, and jitter is low enough that I didn't even bother to measure it.
@@yeahtuna By midi latency I mean only the latency to send the midi signal it self. I understand that the triggering latency is the scan time plus the processing on the microcontroller. Are you saying that it takes 3ms from pad hit to MIDI being recorded in the daw? If that is the case then it's pretty much on par with the roland modules which is pretty good.
I tried to purcase just now but it's not shipping to sweden, damn :P
But what map should I use in SD3?
There's a bug in the SD3 drum map for version 1.2. It should be F#-2 (Snare Zone Trigger). It's fixed in version 1.3
Does positional sensing work with the Roland VAD series pads like the VAD 103 or 306 ? I didn't find anything about if the trigger is centre or side mounted.
Nope those are all side triggers
@@laloadler8044 After more research I found that they got the ATV style 3 trigger system - but that also means that pos sensing won’t work I guess
@@SchwappSchwopp true, for positional sensing you’ll need center triggers, for snare anyway, for toms it doesn’t matter since there is no positional sensing sounds on tom heads