@@Neptuneeman_ The way Beerus is written absolutely. Goku: we were somewhat relative a while back and I'm millions of times stronger now. Beerus: meh I'd win. And with how bs training is in db, imagine what stupidly rediculous progression Beerus makes any time he trains for a week. He'd blow Black Frieza out of the water from doing a simple push up.
@@therealpat_ Where or who confirmed that, because I spend at least 20 minutes searching across Google and I didn't find a single website or even a hint of a source that confirms that. If you're referring to the whole ''tournament of power'' or TOP quote where it was said that Jiren surpassed Belmond, then that doesn't really confirm anything. If that's true, then Orange Piccolo would be even stronger, since almost everyone agrees that he can beat TOP Jiren without even breaking a sweat.
@@Foxtrot-jr5quEXACTLY, and Beerus is still sleight stronger than both Beast Gohan & Orange Piccolo & knowing both of them their are even stronger than Broly & jiren in their top peak a.k.a when their are at their best & full powers. Did it say that the new & perfect Cell was much more stronger than both broly & jiren combine? 🤔🙄🤷♂️ idk can't remember what the data book stated. Anyway before Akira past away he did stated and claimed that nobody wouldn't past beerus in strength & in power's. Nobody else's can't changed Akira cosmology within Dbs history at all whatsoever. It is Akira dreams and creation. Yeah people/fanboys going to get mad & upset about it But real DBz & DBs Fan's will accept it. 😊 DBS is now over
Beerus all day, every day. He can destroy his enemies just by snapping his fingers without stopping eating food Bulma puts in front of him. That's ONE Destroyer you DON'T want to offend, let alone piss off.
You act like Frieza hasn’t easily destroyed enemies by tapping their foreheads(the u9 henchmen) it’s not really a crazy feat. Frieza would probably have a good fight with manga Beerus but he’s completely destroying anime Beerus. Anime Beerus is confirmed weaker than Jiren in the anime..
@@therealpat_ Anime Jiren>Anime Belmod Belmod is NOT stronger than Beerus, Beerus verbatim disagreed and we don't even know if Whis was thinking about Belmod since he didn't know which universe the mortal came from, he could have been thinking of a totally different Destroyer God.
This is ridiculous. I have seen everything Dragon Ball Super like Jiren is said to be more powerful than the Gods of Destruction, but I have also seen videos that Beerus would beat Jiren because Beerus is above all of the other Gods of Destruction, and Goku and Vegeta and Frieza could train for their entire lives and still not match or surpass Beerus, which would make sense, but there are also inconsistencies like in the manga Supreme Kai saying that Super Saiyan Blue Vegito "possibly surpassed Beerus," and then in the Broly Movie it said in interviews and writing that Goku was approaching God of Destruction level, and both him and Vegeta had gotten stronger from the Moro Arc and the Granola Arc, and I don't think that they are as strong or stronger than Beerus yet, because the wish that Granola made was to be the strongest in the universe, but the Dragon said "aside from the gods themselves," and it would stand to reason that this applied to Gas as well, so even though both Granola and Gas and Goku and Vegeta are powerful, they were still not on the level of the gods, and Black Frieza, sure he is very powerful but... I don't know. Because, let's think about this for a minute, Frieza said that he was in a Room of Spirit and Time and he got ten years' worth of training in there, but he also said that since he was in that other dimension that the Dragon's wish for Gas, (maybe Granola, but mainly Gas), didn't apply to him because he was not in the universe, so taking that into perspective, maybe there could be an argument that since Granola and Gas were the strongest mortals in the universe and that excluded Frieza and Frieza was training and gained more power would that put Black Frieza on the level of the gods since he is stronger than the mortals like Granola and Gas who are just below the gods? Maybe that is debatable, but I still don't think that Frieza is on that level yet, not to the level of Beerus at least. I mean, I believe that he is close, but not exactly there yet. Because if we take what was said in the Broly Movie about Goku approaching God of Destruction level, and we take him as he progressed in the Moro and Granola Arcs, with his training with Merus and mastering Ultra Instinct, and training with Whis, and even in the Super Hero movie when Vegeta said that Jiren wasn't all that stronger than they were, (something I completely disagree with), maybe Goku is above other Gods of Destruction who are weaker than Beerus like Sidra and some others, but as for them and Frieza being stronger than Beerus, I don't think so. I think that it will happen one day, but not now, or soon. Frieza might be the closest to catching up with Beerus now, but I still don't think that he is there yet. Tell me what you all think.
I will say people forget Black Frieza was after someone and they had to of been stronger than granola so that being excluded from his wish thing has a flaw...Frieza said it was a small power up maybe it is only temporary as well...i don't know what that means might be like Cell or Buu absorbing related
Supreme Kai is canonically Horrible at estimating power levels. Has he honestly ever gotten even 1 right? He's always surprised at how powerful people really are. Frankly, I wouldn't trust him to calculate a grocery list, let alone get a power level right
Ultimately I think Beerus is just gonna be stronger than all the characters of dragon ball outside of angels and other destroyer God's because put simply. The longer Beerus is that benchmark of power that our characters need to surpass the longer they can make money off him. Beerus will continue to be the most powerful character in our main cast aside from Whis of course because that way he makes more money simple as that.
I think it is good to compare goku vs beerus, gokus growth and then compare it against freeze. That being said, dragon ball is notorious for jumping power scaling so it is possible no one is close to being as powerful as beerus.
Beerus will defeat him but saying beerus will no diff or neg difficult as of right now is just straight up ignoring power scaling it doesn’t make sense if frieza don’t put up a good fight against beerus now it is even said he is close to god (beerus) …
@@Neptuneeman_ beerus definitely beating him but remember frieza is no joke either he prepared for gogeta this time and he said goku or vegeta now no monkeys can touch him and he don’t care about them anymore… outside beerus or quitella frieza is definitely stronger than other gods
Let us nor forget Beerus is the strongest GoD in the Multiverse, dude fought ALL other GoD's and was essentially winning and had bottomless pit of energy which puts above mortals. If I had to guess, Black Frieza is equal to 50% of Beerus but Beerus' power is EXPONENTIAL, that's why people think he's a "moving goalpost"
@@Neptuneeman_ Maybe if Frieza consistently trained for as long as Beerus did he could catch up to him and surpass him but that would take a long, LONG time to do, which makes me think Beerus used to be a mortal with THE strongest potential which earned him the right to be a GoD
Not only more experience he have more power, more strength, more speed, IQ battle, IQ, agility and abilities. If he uses his destroyer or ultra instant form black frieza vs Beerus is no longer a debate.
@@Neptuneeman_ is true he can probably rival Beerus In the base without him transforming, but he’s not making it far if you transform into destroyer or ultra instant
Needless plot armor? yes, Beerus is that for Goku and Vegeta. However.... You wanna talk about plot armor in DBS? Beerus in general. They gave Frieza not 1, but 2 forms, both of them purely for plot armor and nothing else really, hence the dumb reasoning behind him getting the forms. The unexplained power-ups for the rest of Universe 7 in the Tournament of Power. The uselessness of Majin Buu in the ToP. The absence of Cell in the ToP. Jiren. Piccolo's power-up in the Super Hero movie. Gohan's Beast form (aka recycled SS2 with UI colouring) power-up in that same movie. And i actually like Dragonball, just not DBS as much because of things like: Frieza as a recurring bad guy for no reason other than character popularity. SSG and SSB (or SSGSS if you wanna be stupid about it) being lazy re-colourings of SS1 and SS2. Gohan's Beast form being a mix of SS2 and UI, without the significance of either. I do hope the rest of the DBS manga gets animated though, but with Daima being a thing, i doubt it.
@@davebauman3911 People keep calling it "Beast" as was officially stated. But let's be real. It's just El Blanco with bigger hair. They even took the red eyes. Jokes aside, yeah. I agree with this pretty much. Like, I think the only thing I REALLY like about Super, isolating it from the rest of the show. Is Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego for Goku and Vegeta. Those forms pretty much encapsulate each character's inherent style of fighting and it FEELS right for them. Goku being a fighting prodigy and having trained his entire life for unmatched godlike Martial Arts prowess. Vegeta getting Ultra Ego as a form as a testament to his tendency to "Roll with the punches" and come back stronger(Even if he still gets clapped every important time). Almost any other "Notable" step. Just felt. Weird. Even SSG/SSB. Piccolo LITERALLY wished for his strength in Super Hero. Frieza with not one, but 2 bullshit power-ups because he decided to Train for a little while. (4 months for Gold, "10 years" for Black.) It all just felt "Unearned". Don't even get me started on Gohan. Dude's been pissing me off since the start of Z.
A little detail you forgot is that the efficiency of hakai depends on the users power. This was shown in the anime where frieza was literally toying with sidras hakai. He would have zero chance against beerus tho
0:16 "Anything it touches" Wrong. it can only wipe out objects or people that the hakai user is stronger than Learn how the Hakai really works and, if Black Frieza is able to beat Gogeta in the SSJB form, he'd also be able to beat beerus, considering we were told, that Gogeta SSJB was strong enough to beat Zeno (The Omni King), and Zeno is Stronger than Beerus
Beerus has been training with whis for millions of years whoever thinks frieza is just gonna get atleast close to that with a decade of training is crazy...
We’ve already found out that Hakia can be stopped very easily! The only reason freezer would lose is because they keep bumping up beers his power every time Goku and Vegeta get stronger, and should be stronger than him. Somehow they say now he’s the strong.
i do want to bring up the fact that Frieza has survived a Hakai before, BEFORE he got his Black Frieza form. Right after Goku brought him back from Hell they were ambushed and one of the assailants had a Hakai, and Frieza tanked that. Vegeta also tanked Toppo's Hakai-level power with his own. So the fight wouldn't be AS one-sided as one thinks.
Beerus just outscales him in so many ways. I mean beerus was able to hold himself against 11 gods of destruction and if it wasn’t for sidras shield, 6 of the destroyers would have been defeated . Each one of these characters beerus was fighting was a low-mid multiversal character. Also frieza just third partied vegeta and gokus fight while both weren’t in their perfect form state.Beerus also has god ki which frieza dosent. This is the manga I’m talking about
It took Frieza 4 months of training and 1 transformation to catch up to years of training/hard fought battles and multiple transformations of Goku/Vegeta, but takes 10 years to catch up to months of training an 1 transformation.
Only 1 punched goku and vegeta cause they have already been fighting for a long time if they where to fight at the beginning of the fight goku would win
Technically when Gas wished to be the most powerful he became more powerful than beerus and whis but frieza wasn't really in the same dimension as gas which is why he was able to one shot him, so if he was stronger than beerus and whis and frieza could one shot him, frieza might be able to give beerus a run for his money
@@firewater3957 I don’t think so are you training the hyperbolic time chamber or some say he trained at a plant a planet and has like 1000 times gravity or something so I disagree fully earned that power even though he got it only 10 years
Beerus throughout each iteration of super and thereafter is stronger than Freeza it is a part of Akira's formula he supervised for Funimation and Toyotaro
@@Neptuneeman_ How I think this fight will end : After a long fight frieza would punch a hole In his chest and at the same time beerus using hakai on him then frieza would disappear and beerus falls in the ground covered full with blood I think high-extreme difficulty either idk fr they both have chances
The 4 months of training to reach gold frieza makes no sense. I say Frieza is too cocky to admit that he trained and he finally tells the truth and reveals that he was training he says 4 months when it could have been 4 years or time in a hyperbolic time chamber
Ik beerus solos, but just as a reminder, hakai doesnt one-shot people at the same level or avobe the level of the user. This is why Hax and Raw Power aren’t the same. Because if they were, and the Hakai actually erased ANYONE no matter the circumstance, then the gods could just go on a rampage and kill Zen-Oh and the Grand Priest and rule the multiverse eazy.
the thing with granolah arc is that all 3 of them were exhausted. Gas was near death because of exhaustion during combat, which is one of the side effects of the granola dragon balls.
Beerus definitely needs WAY more color changings before he even CONSIDERS getting near beerus 🙏😭 beerus is strong af and we STILL haven't seen him get serious
Cap, lets explain Beerus is fodder to black frieza, in dbs Power scaling was thrown out the window, beerus was weaker than ssj blue. Now, assuming he got upto UI and ultra ego levels as he had mastered half of UI. Jiren was stated to be stronger than belmont who is equal to beerus. So, lets assume he trained and got even stronger, it was stated by goku that broly was stronger than beerus, whis also made a few statements. Also there is UE vegeta who has the energy of a god, and black freiza one shotted ue vegeta gas and ui goku at once holding back... so black frieza solos
Belmont isn't equal to Beerus at all, like holy hell. It was literally stated that he is one of the weaker Gods of Destruction, that's why Jiren was stronger than him, not to mention that Beerus didn't even try against Goku in SSG, even Whis stated it. In the manga we can see that Beerus managed to defeat all of the others Gods of Destruction, even when they all jumped him. And you think why Frieza didn't just kill Goku and Vegeta? Beerus literally warned Frieza that if he would kill them he would just kill him
@@buszka695 I think I forgot.some few things, in the manga Belmont actually managed to trap all 11 gods of destructions in a bubble. So yeah it is fair. And yet if you beat someone without Effort, then how would they be your rival. Let's be real, black frieza would molly whop beerus. And he oneshotted Gas tui goku and ue vegeta without even trying. All of which are on god level. Vegeta literally has the power of U.E. a power of a destroyer, granted it is way above topos it should be atleast near the gods or equal
@@black.7381 That's quite not how it works. Belmont betrayed others Gods of Destruction while they were attacking Beerus. It's stated in manga that he's one of the weakest Gods of Destruction. Even he gave up while fighting other Gods of Destruction and he layed down so he won't take more damage cause he knew that he had no chance. You're saying that Black Frieza is stronger than Beerus right? Then why he didn't kill Goku and Vegeta after being warned by Beerus?
You know most people don't put this into consideration, goku and vegeta could be just off guard when frieza one shotted them, the same way goku got took down with the ray gun..
Even if Frieza happens to surpass Beerus in power, shouldn't we keep into account that Beerus is like... a million times older than him? In terms of fighting experience it's not close at all, Frieza's only begun training in the last 5 years of his life and Beerus has been doing that (pretty seriously) since 75 million years.
I think Berrus would still win. Freeza is approaching the level of G.O.D, but it was said for Blue Gokou & Vegeta for the Super Broly movie. For the B.O.G movies, Super anime, and Super manga, it could be different. For the movies, a RUclipsr named Casual Anime Guy Explains explained that the movies from B.O.G to SuperHeroes are Toriyama’s “canon”. It’s explained in his power tier list video, which also explains “Jiren not being much stronger than Blue”. Black Freeza doesn’t exist, but if he did exist with a similar story of training for 10 years, he would defeat (movie) Berrus as he isn’t too far from S.S.Blue in terms of power. Now the anime, he would indeed be stronger than Berrus as Gokou with his U.I had surpassed Jiren who was already stronger than all the G.O.Ds. In the manga, not really, he’s approaching the level but that doesn’t mean he is on Berrus’ level. So that’s my answer
@@Neptuneeman_ It depends if the Z anime scales higher than the manga. Or if Super (anime) scales up to Kai which has less impressive feats than the Z anime. The Super anime might still be stronger with all the buffs. An example being that Gokou got S.S.God absorbed into his base unlike the Super manga which isn’t said. Gokou also has King Kai Fist x10 - 20, and he even fought Hit again post Gokou Black Saga, when prior he needed x10 to fight him, and Hit is even stronger than before also, so Gokou might have gone x20 stronger. So Base Gokou in the anime. Base Gokou - 1 (Hypothetical) Super Vegetto 3 - 160,000 (in this scale, Vegetto is = to S.S.3 as a lowball) S.S.God - 320,000 S.S.God by the end of the saga - 640,000 Base Gokou also got stronger due to the failed ritual, which means he surpassed Vegeta who surpassed S.S.Grade.5 (S.S.2, what was called in guides before the Boo Saga). Base Gokou - 1 S.S.3 - 400 S.S.Grade.5 Vegeta - 800 S.S.Grade.4 (Mastered S.S.1) Gokou - 1,600 (Hypothetical) S.S.3 Gokou - 12,800 (Hypothetical) Super Vegetto 3 - 5,120,000 Super Saiyajin God - 10,240,000 Super Saiyajin God (Gokou got stronger by the way, during his battle with Berrus) - 20,480,000 Base Gokou w God absorbed into his Base - 20,480,000 (Hypothetical) S.S.God Gokou (vs Freeza) - 6,553,600,000,000, saying God is x320,000 at least. S.S.Blue - 3.2768E14 S.S.Blue x10 against Hit - 3.2768E15 S.S.Blue Gokou (rematch with Hit) - 6.5536E15 S.S.Blue x20 - 1.31072E17 Genkai Dama against Jiren - 2.62144E17 King Kai Fist S.S.Blue (vs Kalfa who is stronger than the Genkai Dama I believe?) - 5.24288E17, I don’t think he was using x20 as Kafla wasn’t far off from Base God Gokou, so the multiplier should be similar. King Kai Fist x20 S.S.Blue - 5.24288E18 Ultra Instinct Omen - 1.048576E19 Silver hair Ultra Instinct - 2.097152E19 This is my lowball, it should scale much higher.
Yes Beerus is still ahead, but Frieza knows the gap is no longer impossible to close, it's much closer than people think too, but he still would get humbled currently
I think, you can survive a hakai with power, also he one shot someone who well surpasses jiren who surpasses most G.O.Ds so he most likely defeats beerus
i think Frieza could beat beerus if he trained more also if Frieza waited sill beerus was asleep and woke him up so that beerus would be tired might help him
Beerus is written to always be one step above so I honestly don't think they will ever be stronger than Beerus I don't even think the creators realize how strong they want Beerus to be
I'd say Black Frieza is stronger. But less skilled than beerus. Frieza repelled a Hakai with his golden form Pre-TOP so i think Black Frieza could take a few hakais before dying. I'd say the outcome depends on Did Frieza bother to master the black form or did he make the same mistake he did back at Resurection F with his golden form. If he mastered it Beerus is F__cked. If not Beerus wins. I'd expect that Frieza prepared for Gogeta Blue+Expected time training so the question also is determined by is Gogeta Blue stronger than beerus. Im not sure if he predicted Ultra Gogeta though.
He did repelled a Hakai blast but that was from a weaker destruction God Beerus is Storger then all the other gods so I don’t think frieza gana be able to do that this time
@@Neptuneeman_ Frieza has the same "Surpassed all G.O.D's (except maybe Beerus himself) And Frieza has gotten way stronger as well since then. Given that he one shot TUI Goku and UE Vegeta at the same time. So I think Frieza can take at least one Hakai from Beerus and live.
Beerus one shots him either way lmao, you genuinely believe Frieza can beat Beerus? The shenron confirmed that Beerus was so much beyond his power that he couldn't make Gas or Granolah on that level, yet Frieza only became stronger than Gas because he was in a separate dimension. Beerus one shots
@@herohunter5961 to answer the question of if I genuinely believe Black Frieza can beat Beerus...... Yes. If he mastered the black form. I'd say black Frieza with his ten years of training would surpass Beerus if only 4 months got him to Golden form. I am going to quote some direct statements from the creator of dragon ball I got from a bit of research. Since DBS was not directly scale-able. He put all of DBZ between 1-5. SSG at 6. SSGSS at 7. UI omen at 8. Actual UI at 9. And Beerus at 10. The angels were at 15 and Daishinkan/Zeno were at 20. TUI Goku would probably be a 9.5 here. So it is safe to say black Frieza who one shot that is at the 10 as well. Making him bare minimum equal to Beerus. But likely a bit stronger. Did not expect to have to bring that into this. But oh well. Well not really quote but I'm still bringing them into this
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Goku + vegeta > black freiza
Black freiza < beerus
Goku + vegeta > beerus (fusion, plot armor)
Freeza needs like 10 more color upgrades before he can start challenging Beerus
@@skyuu6023 lol you think so?
@@Neptuneeman_
The way Beerus is written absolutely.
Goku: we were somewhat relative a while back and I'm millions of times stronger now.
Beerus: meh I'd win.
And with how bs training is in db, imagine what stupidly rediculous progression Beerus makes any time he trains for a week. He'd blow Black Frieza out of the water from doing a simple push up.
In the manga sure, but in the anime Beerus is confirmed to be weaker than even Jiren.
@@therealpat_ Where or who confirmed that, because I spend at least 20 minutes searching across Google and I didn't find a single website or even a hint of a source that confirms that. If you're referring to the whole ''tournament of power'' or TOP quote where it was said that Jiren surpassed Belmond, then that doesn't really confirm anything. If that's true, then Orange Piccolo would be even stronger, since almost everyone agrees that he can beat TOP Jiren without even breaking a sweat.
@@Foxtrot-jr5quEXACTLY, and Beerus is still sleight stronger than both Beast Gohan & Orange Piccolo & knowing both of them their are even stronger than Broly & jiren in their top peak a.k.a when their are at their best & full powers.
Did it say that the new & perfect Cell was much more stronger than both broly & jiren combine? 🤔🙄🤷♂️ idk can't remember what the data book stated.
Anyway before Akira past away he did stated and claimed that nobody wouldn't past beerus in strength & in power's.
Nobody else's can't changed Akira cosmology within Dbs history at all whatsoever. It is Akira dreams and creation.
Yeah people/fanboys going to get mad & upset about it But real DBz & DBs Fan's will accept it. 😊
DBS is now over
Beerus all day, every day.
He can destroy his enemies just by snapping his fingers without stopping eating food Bulma puts in front of him.
That's ONE Destroyer you DON'T want to offend, let alone piss off.
You act like Frieza hasn’t easily destroyed enemies by tapping their foreheads(the u9 henchmen) it’s not really a crazy feat. Frieza would probably have a good fight with manga Beerus but he’s completely destroying anime Beerus. Anime Beerus is confirmed weaker than Jiren in the anime..
@@therealpat_ Anime Jiren>Anime Belmod
Belmod is NOT stronger than Beerus, Beerus verbatim disagreed and we don't even know if Whis was thinking about Belmod since he didn't know which universe the mortal came from, he could have been thinking of a totally different Destroyer God.
@@therealpat_He’s not confirmed weaker than Jiren. That statement said by whis is false confirmed by the writers. He’s still the strongest GoD
This is ridiculous. I have seen everything Dragon Ball Super like Jiren is said to be more powerful than the Gods of Destruction, but I have also seen videos that Beerus would beat Jiren because Beerus is above all of the other Gods of Destruction, and Goku and Vegeta and Frieza could train for their entire lives and still not match or surpass Beerus, which would make sense, but there are also inconsistencies like in the manga Supreme Kai saying that Super Saiyan Blue Vegito "possibly surpassed Beerus," and then in the Broly Movie it said in interviews and writing that Goku was approaching God of Destruction level, and both him and Vegeta had gotten stronger from the Moro Arc and the Granola Arc, and I don't think that they are as strong or stronger than Beerus yet, because the wish that Granola made was to be the strongest in the universe, but the Dragon said "aside from the gods themselves," and it would stand to reason that this applied to Gas as well, so even though both Granola and Gas and Goku and Vegeta are powerful, they were still not on the level of the gods, and Black Frieza, sure he is very powerful but... I don't know. Because, let's think about this for a minute, Frieza said that he was in a Room of Spirit and Time and he got ten years' worth of training in there, but he also said that since he was in that other dimension that the Dragon's wish for Gas, (maybe Granola, but mainly Gas), didn't apply to him because he was not in the universe, so taking that into perspective, maybe there could be an argument that since Granola and Gas were the strongest mortals in the universe and that excluded Frieza and Frieza was training and gained more power would that put Black Frieza on the level of the gods since he is stronger than the mortals like Granola and Gas who are just below the gods? Maybe that is debatable, but I still don't think that Frieza is on that level yet, not to the level of Beerus at least. I mean, I believe that he is close, but not exactly there yet. Because if we take what was said in the Broly Movie about Goku approaching God of Destruction level, and we take him as he progressed in the Moro and Granola Arcs, with his training with Merus and mastering Ultra Instinct, and training with Whis, and even in the Super Hero movie when Vegeta said that Jiren wasn't all that stronger than they were, (something I completely disagree with), maybe Goku is above other Gods of Destruction who are weaker than Beerus like Sidra and some others, but as for them and Frieza being stronger than Beerus, I don't think so. I think that it will happen one day, but not now, or soon. Frieza might be the closest to catching up with Beerus now, but I still don't think that he is there yet.
Tell me what you all think.
I agree but I think black frieza is the closest out of them all to fight him even if he would lose
@@Neptuneeman_ I agree.
I will say people forget Black Frieza was after someone and they had to of been stronger than granola so that being excluded from his wish thing has a flaw...Frieza said it was a small power up maybe it is only temporary as well...i don't know what that means might be like Cell or Buu absorbing related
Supreme Kai is canonically Horrible at estimating power levels. Has he honestly ever gotten even 1 right? He's always surprised at how powerful people really are. Frankly, I wouldn't trust him to calculate a grocery list, let alone get a power level right
what is blud yapping about 💀
The real reason frieza would win because he’s not using the form black frieza he’s using the form racist frieza.
lol bruh
Have we seen what Beerus could do other than against other gods.
The Black Frieza arc is gonna be all about convincing Bills to fight Frieza 💀
Ultimately I think Beerus is just gonna be stronger than all the characters of dragon ball outside of angels and other destroyer God's because put simply. The longer Beerus is that benchmark of power that our characters need to surpass the longer they can make money off him. Beerus will continue to be the most powerful character in our main cast aside from Whis of course because that way he makes more money simple as that.
He went in there for 10 years tho
I think it is good to compare goku vs beerus, gokus growth and then compare it against freeze. That being said, dragon ball is notorious for jumping power scaling so it is possible no one is close to being as powerful as beerus.
@@roberthornyak5875 that is true I have no idea if he is but dragon is inconsistent with power levels
Beerus will defeat him but saying beerus will no diff or neg difficult as of right now is just straight up ignoring power scaling it doesn’t make sense if frieza don’t put up a good fight against beerus now it is even said he is close to god (beerus) …
@@Anos-voldigoad549 I think he is the closest one to have a chance at beating him
@@Neptuneeman_ I will not say beating more like giving him good fight
@@Anos-voldigoad549 I can agree with that
@@Neptuneeman_ beerus definitely beating him but remember frieza is no joke either he prepared for gogeta this time and he said goku or vegeta now no monkeys can touch him and he don’t care about them anymore… outside beerus or quitella frieza is definitely stronger than other gods
@@Anos-voldigoad549 yea considering Lord Beerus almost beat every single God is definitely the final boss of all Dragon Ball
beerus had to have very high potential to be selected to be a god of destruction and he is living very long so ye :D
Yea just his age alone tell u how long he bin in battle
Great video, what's the next video will be about
@@KingGamer-kv6xy I don’t know yet
@@Neptuneeman_ looking forward to your next video, but i prefer something on Black Goku . pleaseeeeeeeeeeee
@@KingGamer-kv6xy that might be coming sooner then you think 😉🤫
@@Neptuneeman_ lets gooooooo🔥 super excited about that
@@KingGamer-kv6xy do me a solded and share this video around let’s blow it up so I can keep making videos bc these are not cheep lol
Let us nor forget Beerus is the strongest GoD in the Multiverse, dude fought ALL other GoD's and was essentially winning and had bottomless pit of energy which puts above mortals. If I had to guess, Black Frieza is equal to 50% of Beerus but Beerus' power is EXPONENTIAL, that's why people think he's a "moving goalpost"
@@mr.knightthedetective7435 maybe some day frieza will catch him
He just gata keep training
@@Neptuneeman_
Maybe if Frieza consistently trained for as long as Beerus did he could catch up to him and surpass him but that would take a long, LONG time to do, which makes me think Beerus used to be a mortal with THE strongest potential which earned him the right to be a GoD
@@mr.knightthedetective7435 that is true but we have no idea how long a live span for frieza race so who’s to say he might live to see that happen
@@Neptuneeman_
Exactly
@@mr.knightthedetective7435all god of destructions are weaker than black frieza now lol
TUI goku > beerus
Black frieza > in duo
Frieza took a hakai head on I think he’ll be able to get of beerus’🤷
Well the one he was talking on is super weak compared to Beerus
@@Neptuneeman_ true that
What if beerus hakai him
Then he would get erased from existence
@@Neptuneeman_ so beerus wins
Movie Beerus 1000%, Anime Beerus maybe, Manga Beerus not a chance.
@@PURPLE_G0J0 really ?
@@Neptuneeman_ Each version of Beerus is different, there’s a video explaining it somewhere on RUclips.
@@PURPLE_G0J0 il have to check it out I didn’t know there were differences
@@PURPLE_G0J0nt rlly it's just tht Beerus in the Manga is way further in the story so we've seen more of his power
what feats does beerus have in manga defeating all god of destructions? pfff lame@@PURPLE_G0J0
Frieza was wearing heels in the thumbnail
lol
I actually think Black Frieza has a decent chance against Beerus. He may not win, but he would sure as hell be a challenge.
THATS WHAT I SAID
bro no he wouldn’t
@@zSinzzy1 How do you know?
@@teddythekingofbearsbecause beerus is strong as shit and if he gets serious, which we haven't seen yet, Frieza is getting destroyed
Exactly@@Zeni.1s
There's no way , Beerus will get defeated by Freiza out of all characters. I believe Beerus will defeat Freiza with a negative diff. LOL
Booooo take boooo
@@Neptuneeman_ LOL
@@TIV25 inwin
@@Neptuneeman_ui beerus is way way more powerful than black Frieza so beerus solos
Manga beerus no diffs every mortal
literally like this video literally says literally literally like literally 50 literally times
@@the_second_channel literally thank u lol
Not only more experience he have more power, more strength, more speed, IQ battle, IQ, agility and abilities.
If he uses his destroyer or ultra instant form black frieza vs Beerus is no longer a debate.
That is true
@@Neptuneeman_ is true he can probably rival Beerus In the base without him transforming, but he’s not making it far if you transform into destroyer or ultra instant
@@Vegeta79372he doesn't even have mastered ui lol only ui sign while goku mastered it faster than fodderus
I always knew Frieza was a stronger fighter and that Beerus always had needless plot armor and only served as some height bar for Goku and Vegeta.
That freeken facts
Needless plot armor?
yes, Beerus is that for Goku and Vegeta.
However....
You wanna talk about plot armor in DBS?
Beerus in general.
They gave Frieza not 1, but 2 forms, both of them purely for plot armor and nothing else really, hence the dumb reasoning behind him getting the forms.
The unexplained power-ups for the rest of Universe 7 in the Tournament of Power.
The uselessness of Majin Buu in the ToP.
The absence of Cell in the ToP.
Jiren.
Piccolo's power-up in the Super Hero movie.
Gohan's Beast form (aka recycled SS2 with UI colouring) power-up in that same movie.
And i actually like Dragonball, just not DBS as much because of things like:
Frieza as a recurring bad guy for no reason other than character popularity.
SSG and SSB (or SSGSS if you wanna be stupid about it) being lazy re-colourings of SS1 and SS2.
Gohan's Beast form being a mix of SS2 and UI, without the significance of either.
I do hope the rest of the DBS manga gets animated though, but with Daima being a thing, i doubt it.
@@davebauman3911 People keep calling it "Beast" as was officially stated. But let's be real. It's just El Blanco with bigger hair. They even took the red eyes.
Jokes aside, yeah. I agree with this pretty much. Like, I think the only thing I REALLY like about Super, isolating it from the rest of the show. Is Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego for Goku and Vegeta. Those forms pretty much encapsulate each character's inherent style of fighting and it FEELS right for them. Goku being a fighting prodigy and having trained his entire life for unmatched godlike Martial Arts prowess. Vegeta getting Ultra Ego as a form as a testament to his tendency to "Roll with the punches" and come back stronger(Even if he still gets clapped every important time).
Almost any other "Notable" step. Just felt. Weird. Even SSG/SSB. Piccolo LITERALLY wished for his strength in Super Hero. Frieza with not one, but 2 bullshit power-ups because he decided to Train for a little while. (4 months for Gold, "10 years" for Black.) It all just felt "Unearned". Don't even get me started on Gohan. Dude's been pissing me off since the start of Z.
A little detail you forgot is that the efficiency of hakai depends on the users power. This was shown in the anime where frieza was literally toying with sidras hakai. He would have zero chance against beerus tho
@@Jacoy2104 I think I may agree
Frieza will absorb OG73 and take on angel abilities as well as Moros. He will surpass beerus at that moment and goku will have to wish beerus back
0:16
"Anything it touches"
Wrong. it can only wipe out objects or people that the hakai user is stronger than
Learn how the Hakai really works
and, if Black Frieza is able to beat Gogeta in the SSJB form, he'd also be able to beat beerus, considering we were told, that Gogeta SSJB was strong enough to beat Zeno (The Omni King), and Zeno is Stronger than Beerus
Beerus has been training with whis for millions of years whoever thinks frieza is just gonna get atleast close to that with a decade of training is crazy...
imo it just doesnt make sense that beerus could lose he has been alive for millions of years
Also remember the gas that wished for it was gettting stronger by the minute that screams strongest fr
I know man black freiza is no joke
If friza can beat goku and goku can beat jirean who can beat his god of destruction who can beat beerus then friza wins
Frieza Is lucky that Yamcha was not there (negative difficulty)
@@edenmatthews6183 Yamcha is secretly a god lol
It’s not really a secret anymore
We’ve already found out that Hakia can be stopped very easily! The only reason freezer would lose is because they keep bumping up beers his power every time Goku and Vegeta get stronger, and should be stronger than him. Somehow they say now he’s the strong.
He’s a god of destruction of course he’s stronger than the people hes training
Vjump confirms Beerus and GoD's > Frieza.
Gohan ≈ Frieza
i do want to bring up the fact that Frieza has survived a Hakai before, BEFORE he got his Black Frieza form. Right after Goku brought him back from Hell they were ambushed and one of the assailants had a Hakai, and Frieza tanked that. Vegeta also tanked Toppo's Hakai-level power with his own. So the fight wouldn't be AS one-sided as one thinks.
@@KodyCrimson yes but that was from a very much weaker destroyer, God we’re talking about Lord Beerus, who almost won fighting against all the deities
Black Frieza>MUI/PUI/TUI Goku>Beerus
Fax
@@Elonmaskm thx
Beerus> frieza > goku
@@omarpro1495 cap
I imgine the dialoges in the fight
Feriza(sorry dont know to writh his name):whats up cat
Berus-haki
@@frash221 lol
Beerus just outscales him in so many ways. I mean beerus was able to hold himself against 11 gods of destruction and if it wasn’t for sidras shield, 6 of the destroyers would have been defeated . Each one of these characters beerus was fighting was a low-mid multiversal character. Also frieza just third partied vegeta and gokus fight while both weren’t in their perfect form state.Beerus also has god ki which frieza dosent. This is the manga I’m talking about
It took Frieza 4 months of training and 1 transformation to catch up to years of training/hard fought battles and multiple transformations of Goku/Vegeta, but takes 10 years to catch up to months of training an 1 transformation.
The thing is we have no measurement to beerus's power. He has literally became a moving goal post since the introduction of SSB.
@@jhoncena1111 everyone has limited lol man
I feel like at very best Frieza can go toe to toe with weaker G.O.Ds but he most likely won’t even win against them.
Yea everyone making the argument that he stoped a hika before but that was to a weaker god and Beerus is one of the most powerful ones
1:02 WITH A NORMAL SWORD RIGHT?
Only 1 punched goku and vegeta cause they have already been fighting for a long time if they where to fight at the beginning of the fight goku would win
They got healed full power before Freiza even showed up
Technically when Gas wished to be the most powerful he became more powerful than beerus and whis but frieza wasn't really in the same dimension as gas which is why he was able to one shot him, so if he was stronger than beerus and whis and frieza could one shot him, frieza might be able to give beerus a run for his money
THATS WHAT IM SAYING LOL
I think black frieza could push beerus to his 60 or 70 percent power
That’s fair I think
Beerus wipes him not even
close.
Let’s not forget that frieza took a haki head on and absorbed it and made his own haki with it
And that was before the tournament of power to so
Am I the only one who thinks black frieza was so unearned
@@firewater3957 I don’t think so are you training the hyperbolic time chamber or some say he trained at a plant a planet and has like 1000 times gravity or something so I disagree fully earned that power even though he got it only 10 years
Frieza is no match for Beerus no matter what he does, even after his training.
@@Sydnii-g7h cap beerus eventually lose to someone
the only way for frieza to defeat beerus is by killing the supreme kai
@@tarikvehab8938 he most likely wood
Beerus throughout each iteration of super and thereafter is stronger than Freeza it is a part of Akira's formula he supervised for Funimation and Toyotaro
Idk man lol
For all of those who say beerus never went 100% know that frieza used less than 10% when he one shot TUI Goku and ue vegeta
YES SIR
@@Neptuneeman_ How I think this fight will end : After a long fight frieza would punch a hole In his chest and at the same time beerus using hakai on him then frieza would disappear and beerus falls in the ground covered full with blood I think high-extreme difficulty either idk fr they both have chances
@@maljusufi320 that would be a super sick to see if that was real
@@Neptuneeman_ yeah fr and new sub bro
@@maljusufi320 YOUR A G just posted a new video if u wana see that
HAKAI
The 4 months of training to reach gold frieza makes no sense.
I say Frieza is too cocky to admit that he trained and he finally tells the truth and reveals that he was training he says 4 months when it could have been 4 years or time in a hyperbolic time chamber
@@JOSEPH-jy6sd that could be true
imagine the 4 months he spend training on golden were in the time chamber instead 💀
@@KosukeHashibo yes most likely
Ik beerus solos, but just as a reminder, hakai doesnt one-shot people at the same level or avobe the level of the user. This is why Hax and Raw Power aren’t the same. Because if they were, and the Hakai actually erased ANYONE no matter the circumstance, then the gods could just go on a rampage and kill Zen-Oh and the Grand Priest and rule the multiverse eazy.
The beerus glazing in the comments be ridiculous 💀💀
@@UG3017 lol
You have to be a dumbass to think frieza is stronger than beerus manga beerus and anime beerus are two different people
the thing with granolah arc is that all 3 of them were exhausted. Gas was near death because of exhaustion during combat, which is one of the side effects of the granola dragon balls.
@@tarikvehab8938you think he would of survived black frieza hit if he was full strength
Goku and Vegeta literally took senzu beans, so they weren't exhausted at all
I agree
Beerus definitely needs WAY more color changings before he even CONSIDERS getting near beerus 🙏😭 beerus is strong af and we STILL haven't seen him get serious
We most likely won ever
I think if it was any other destroyer god, except maybe Quitela, Frieza would likely have the odds in his favor, but beerus is just HIM
I think Beerus would win bc he just had more fighting experience and techniques
Cap, lets explain
Beerus is fodder to black frieza, in dbs Power scaling was thrown out the window, beerus was weaker than ssj blue. Now, assuming he got upto UI and ultra ego levels as he had mastered half of UI. Jiren was stated to be stronger than belmont who is equal to beerus. So, lets assume he trained and got even stronger, it was stated by goku that broly was stronger than beerus, whis also made a few statements. Also there is UE vegeta who has the energy of a god, and black freiza one shotted ue vegeta gas and ui goku at once holding back... so black frieza solos
I think Beerus just has more experience
Belmont isn't equal to Beerus at all, like holy hell. It was literally stated that he is one of the weaker Gods of Destruction, that's why Jiren was stronger than him, not to mention that Beerus didn't even try against Goku in SSG, even Whis stated it. In the manga we can see that Beerus managed to defeat all of the others Gods of Destruction, even when they all jumped him. And you think why Frieza didn't just kill Goku and Vegeta? Beerus literally warned Frieza that if he would kill them he would just kill him
@@buszka695
I think I forgot.some few things, in the manga Belmont actually managed to trap all 11 gods of destructions in a bubble. So yeah it is fair. And yet if you beat someone without Effort, then how would they be your rival. Let's be real, black frieza would molly whop beerus. And he oneshotted Gas tui goku and ue vegeta without even trying. All of which are on god level. Vegeta literally has the power of U.E. a power of a destroyer, granted it is way above topos it should be atleast near the gods or equal
@@black.7381 That's quite not how it works. Belmont betrayed others Gods of Destruction while they were attacking Beerus. It's stated in manga that he's one of the weakest Gods of Destruction. Even he gave up while fighting other Gods of Destruction and he layed down so he won't take more damage cause he knew that he had no chance. You're saying that Black Frieza is stronger than Beerus right? Then why he didn't kill Goku and Vegeta after being warned by Beerus?
@@buszka695 okay, fair point he didnt kill em because he wanted them to get stronger, also PLOT
Beerus wins easy
@@WarboysMoviereview NA UHA
In the scenario beerus character was supposed to be never defeated soooo
You know most people don't put this into consideration, goku and vegeta could be just off guard when frieza one shotted them, the same way goku got took down with the ray gun..
@@sam3kperv this maybe true but goku‘s mastered utra instinct would dodged but black frieza went faster then goku can move
Being as they straight up say he’s not stronger than him, no.
Even if Frieza happens to surpass Beerus in power, shouldn't we keep into account that Beerus is like... a million times older than him? In terms of fighting experience it's not close at all, Frieza's only begun training in the last 5 years of his life and Beerus has been doing that (pretty seriously) since 75 million years.
Yea that’s what I said in my video Beerus just had more experience
I think Berrus would still win. Freeza is approaching the level of G.O.D, but it was said for Blue Gokou & Vegeta for the Super Broly movie.
For the B.O.G movies, Super anime, and Super manga, it could be different.
For the movies, a RUclipsr named Casual Anime Guy Explains explained that the movies from B.O.G to SuperHeroes are Toriyama’s “canon”. It’s explained in his power tier list video, which also explains “Jiren not being much stronger than Blue”. Black Freeza doesn’t exist, but if he did exist with a similar story of training for 10 years, he would defeat (movie) Berrus as he isn’t too far from S.S.Blue in terms of power.
Now the anime, he would indeed be stronger than Berrus as Gokou with his U.I had surpassed Jiren who was already stronger than all the G.O.Ds.
In the manga, not really, he’s approaching the level but that doesn’t mean he is on Berrus’ level.
So that’s my answer
oh dang ima have to check that out thank you man
@@Neptuneeman_
You’re welcome!
@@Neptuneeman_
I just realized I contradicted myself by saying Berrus would win. So it’s actually manga Berrus is still likely to beat Freeza.
@@azimuddin1890 I heard manga Beerus is way stronger then anime Beerus
@@Neptuneeman_
It depends if the Z anime scales higher than the manga. Or if Super (anime) scales up to Kai which has less impressive feats than the Z anime.
The Super anime might still be stronger with all the buffs. An example being that Gokou got S.S.God absorbed into his base unlike the Super manga which isn’t said. Gokou also has King Kai Fist x10 - 20, and he even fought Hit again post Gokou Black Saga, when prior he needed x10 to fight him, and Hit is even stronger than before also, so Gokou might have gone x20 stronger.
So Base Gokou in the anime.
Base Gokou - 1
(Hypothetical) Super Vegetto 3 - 160,000 (in this scale, Vegetto is = to S.S.3 as a lowball)
S.S.God - 320,000
S.S.God by the end of the saga - 640,000
Base Gokou also got stronger due to the failed ritual, which means he surpassed Vegeta who surpassed S.S.Grade.5 (S.S.2, what was called in guides before the Boo Saga).
Base Gokou - 1
S.S.3 - 400
S.S.Grade.5 Vegeta - 800
S.S.Grade.4 (Mastered S.S.1) Gokou - 1,600
(Hypothetical) S.S.3 Gokou - 12,800
(Hypothetical) Super Vegetto 3 - 5,120,000
Super Saiyajin God - 10,240,000
Super Saiyajin God (Gokou got stronger by the way, during his battle with Berrus) - 20,480,000
Base Gokou w God absorbed into his Base - 20,480,000
(Hypothetical) S.S.God Gokou (vs Freeza) - 6,553,600,000,000, saying God is x320,000 at least.
S.S.Blue - 3.2768E14
S.S.Blue x10 against Hit - 3.2768E15
S.S.Blue Gokou (rematch with Hit) - 6.5536E15
S.S.Blue x20 - 1.31072E17
Genkai Dama against Jiren - 2.62144E17
King Kai Fist S.S.Blue (vs Kalfa who is stronger than the Genkai Dama I believe?) - 5.24288E17, I don’t think he was using x20 as Kafla wasn’t far off from Base God Gokou, so the multiplier should be similar.
King Kai Fist x20 S.S.Blue - 5.24288E18
Ultra Instinct Omen - 1.048576E19
Silver hair Ultra Instinct - 2.097152E19
This is my lowball, it should scale much higher.
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They’re probably gonna say beerus used like 10% of his power in the god arc and could easily beat black frieza
Yea more then likely
Yes Beerus is still ahead, but Frieza knows the gap is no longer impossible to close, it's much closer than people think too, but he still would get humbled currently
@@chickenpotpieare3things we will never know
I think, you can survive a hakai with power, also he one shot someone who well surpasses jiren who surpasses most G.O.Ds so he most likely defeats beerus
@@Alfietehcool he might
frieza has survived hakai twice before, with this insane power what stops him from doing it now
hakai power is based off how strong the destroyer is
i think Frieza could beat beerus if he trained more also if Frieza waited sill beerus was asleep and woke him up so that beerus would be tired might help him
If he was sleep Beerus wouldn’t hold back and vaporize friza
Isn't Whis stronger than Beerus?
@@dblz88 not by power no but technique yes
@@Neptuneeman_not by power? dude he stopped moro's fist with single finger meanwhile beerus is afraid from moro to fight lol he's coward
we've seen whis one shot beerus with one hit to the back of the neck in the anime. That's proof that he is more powerful
@@Speedpunk650 it wasnt power it was Technique
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@@RexLy-hs3fy thank you I will papa
Beerus will smash the shit out of Frieza .
@@sagnikchatterjee2946 TRUE
Beerus is written to always be one step above so I honestly don't think they will ever be stronger than Beerus
I don't even think the creators realize how strong they want Beerus to be
I think the end goal is to beat him
@@Neptuneeman_ Makes sense, given Dragon Ball is a Shounen anime
True
I'd say Black Frieza is stronger. But less skilled than beerus. Frieza repelled a Hakai with his golden form Pre-TOP so i think Black Frieza could take a few hakais before dying. I'd say the outcome depends on Did Frieza bother to master the black form or did he make the same mistake he did back at Resurection F with his golden form. If he mastered it Beerus is F__cked. If not Beerus wins. I'd expect that Frieza prepared for Gogeta Blue+Expected time training so the question also is determined by is Gogeta Blue stronger than beerus. Im not sure if he predicted Ultra Gogeta though.
He did repelled a Hakai blast but that was from a weaker destruction God Beerus is Storger then all the other gods so I don’t think frieza gana be able to do that this time
@@Neptuneeman_ Frieza has the same "Surpassed all G.O.D's (except maybe Beerus himself) And Frieza has gotten way stronger as well since then. Given that he one shot TUI Goku and UE Vegeta at the same time. So I think Frieza can take at least one Hakai from Beerus and live.
Beerus one shots him either way lmao, you genuinely believe Frieza can beat Beerus? The shenron confirmed that Beerus was so much beyond his power that he couldn't make Gas or Granolah on that level, yet Frieza only became stronger than Gas because he was in a separate dimension.
Beerus one shots
@@herohunter5961 to answer the question of if I genuinely believe Black Frieza can beat Beerus...... Yes. If he mastered the black form. I'd say black Frieza with his ten years of training would surpass Beerus if only 4 months got him to Golden form. I am going to quote some direct statements from the creator of dragon ball I got from a bit of research. Since DBS was not directly scale-able. He put all of DBZ between 1-5. SSG at 6. SSGSS at 7. UI omen at 8. Actual UI at 9. And Beerus at 10. The angels were at 15 and Daishinkan/Zeno were at 20. TUI Goku would probably be a 9.5 here. So it is safe to say black Frieza who one shot that is at the 10 as well. Making him bare minimum equal to Beerus. But likely a bit stronger. Did not expect to have to bring that into this. But oh well. Well not really quote but I'm still bringing them into this
Beerus would easily win
@@JacksonFuqua agree
Nah man , I never thought of a fight between them Take my sub
REALLY thought everyone would of thought this lol but thank u
@@Neptuneeman_ No problem
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