🚨CORRECTION: Manawanui is the 3rd largest ship in the RNZN. I misread her tonnage and that is my error. This story is about what we know so far in the sinking of HMNZS Manawanui. Since the focus of the comments seems to be on the ship's captain, here is her background. Commander Yvonne Gray joined the Royal Navy in 1993 and sailed in frigates and minehunters. She transferred to the Royal New Zealand Navy in 2012 and Manawanui is her first command.🚨 Also, no comments on my excellent Maori?
@sgtbrown4273 how long you been there? I know the cutest little thing Jessica Lipsky from San Diego that did testing and studies on animals research down there for at least a decade back in 2000s. You’d remember her if you came across her. Cutest little thing and so sweet! Good worker. Worked for Scripps institute I belive and went down there on one of the USS Dennis I think?
I don't want to let you all know something. Certain nations are going to collapse yourself for the new world order. There's going to be 10 nations left of the new world order after the destruction of World War 3 and major catastrophic man-made weather weapons. That's a rove, but they worship Lucifer. As God they are Freemason, religion research it look up, William Cooper or mystery of Babylon on RUclips. William Cooper, check it out. Watch the hour time episodes. At least 10 of them put your trust in Jesus. Things are going to get rough. So anyway, they're going to crash out certain navy's on purpose. The ships were designed for an old air of kinetic war to defend independent nations like I said, over a 170 nations are going to join one of the 10 major nations and that is, at the last time we're gonna be just like big cities, I'm just telling you what the truth is? I'm just telling you what the truth is and there's a satan as if we've got a short time. He knows his time is short and God has got him one of a week. You know, as well as I do that. The days are going quick. God has shortened a time on earth. To give satan even less time and those that are righteous under Jesus.Are quick or time to get through this.Tell people that you know about jesus
@robdog1245Halsey should have never been in comtrol of where the fleet goes. However once the fighting started he was pretty damn good. Unfortunately "Admiral but only during combat" is not a real rank.
Ran aground, capsized, caught on fire and then sank. That sounds like an Achievement for sinking an enemy ship in a game. "Use four methods at once to destroy an enemy ship"
That’s the level of expertise in the Royal NZ Navy! Yahoo! Well done! Always the “Best in the World!” This “fuck up” surely was the “best in the world!” Hope there is a Court Marshall over the sinking!
The captain is an idiot and incompetent. This is embarrassing. No excuses. The nerve of making the captain a hero for saving the crew when they were almost killed. Royal fuck up.
If the captain is men, sure he will be reprimanded and tell he’s a bad commander ect ect. But since this “commander” is whaman and even better, lesbian, sure she will be remembered as “hero”.
kevin1294 - like how NZ immediately came out lauding her bravery and heroism in “saving” crew? But hey…. She got to play captain! So strong and independent.
@@user-kcrpineImmediately came out and lauded as hero. Before any investigation has been completed. Tells you all you need to know. Normally (if you are not a woman and a lesbian...read "protected group"), nothing would be said until completion of a complete investigation.
“During our survey we discovered a large amount of previously undocumented damage to the reef consistent with impacts from a large ship.” - ya don't say....... was one of those indentations the exact shape of the _Manawanui_ hull?
Heckuva job, Yvonne. She runs a naval vessel aground. It catches fires, sinks, forcing all hands to abandon ship. Civilians save them. And she is praised for the evacuation? , it's great to be a DEI hire.
😂 This is why You Never Apply Your Mascara and eye Liner in your Rear View mirror while Driving ! Wish I could say you will never catch her male counter parts doing so , but with this New Woke world ( Time will tell ) .
I am a former First Mate that worked on containerships for over 10 years. I worked with very competent captains most of the time. When you have a captain who is not competent for the job, it puts the entire vessel, crew, and cargo at risk. One captain I worked with as a third mate was so incompetent our vessel near grounded when entering Norfolk Va, when he decided to turn the ship out of the bouyed channel and nearly grounded. There were many close calls and incidents over the 6 month contract that I had signed on to that vessel for until the very last day of my contract. On that last day when we arrived at Hong Kong, the ship was too fast for the ETA so he decided that rather then reduce the engine RPM he was going to do a round turn to adjust the ETA. So at night in very heavy traffic about 5 NM south of Waglan Island, he decided to do this round turn and as a result our ship caused a collision with a coastal bulk carrier laden with coal. The collision shore of the bulk carriers bow right at the collision bulk head. Our vessel took damage as well that required an emergency dry dock. Fortunately, there was no loss of life. The Captain was found solely responsible for the collision and was nearly sent to China to face trial. Luckily for him, the owner of OOCL was close to the CPC and was able to keep him from getting arrested. This was 2000.
You are right. Sometimes a good navigator, cam save the incompetent captain. But that is rare. This CAPTAIN RAN HER SHIP DIRECLY ON SHORE INTELLIGENCE? YOU LAY OFF SHORE, UNTIL FIRST LIGHT. CAPTAIN = IDIOT
Thanks for sharing that, it shows the other element of allowing bad skippers a ship. The people that work on that ship that know he/she lacks the skills, work under the stress of hoping his mistakes only have small consequences. The round turn through a shipping channel manouvre is the nautical version of stopping on a 6 lane freeway then doing a blind Uturn from one side to the other.
@@blickluke Vote of 'no confidence' is the term. Mutiny laws still exist but in merchant navy is only a temporary declaration that second in command is taking temporary control due to skippers repeated dangerous errors witnessed by most of the crew. Unless the captain has commited multiple law breaches. In which case the second officer can request from both the company and shipping authority to restrain and/or incarcerate offendor until safe anchorage is reached. Mutiny protocol is not a claim to make lightly, you will face arbitration investigation with the possibility that the shipping authority and the skipper fight against you and a losing claim would certainly end the career of the instigator, who would also face fines and imprisonment.
They sent the ship out to look for reefs. They found a reef. Other countries use sonar to look for underwater rocks. New Zealand does it by feel guided by feelings.
Mabe they're smiling because they anticipate that their commanding officer will be relieved of command and relegated to an administrative assignment! LOL!
I won't be holding my breath in anticipation of a thoroughly detailed, verifiable report on the loss. NZ has a poor reputation when it comes to cover-ups.
but the head of the Inquiry into this sinking is another Navy Officer... a female one as well by striking coincidence. That means it will be fair doesn't it?
I was about to say the same thing. I'll be surprised if they release everything that they found out about this incident. I was about to mention the crash of the airplane into Antarctica but I can see someone has already mentioned it. That was one of the world's worst cover-ups and a display of power and corruption. Let's see what happens here, let's see how open they are. The taxpayers off the country are older explanation if one of the Navy's bathtubs was grounded.
Excellent report, from a NZ resident who wanted to hear not the comments from politicians or journalists, but from someone who knows his stuff. Thanks!
@@13699111 There's plenty of misogynists and essentially racists below. Blaming those characteristics rather than wait for the details to come out. They are jumping the gun because their emotions are that strong about those issues.
@@skybluskyblueifyOver 26 years and NZ gave her, her 1st command. It's not hatred, it's ridicule. There's huge suspicion that it was a diversity hire, call me misogynist, homophobe and transphobe, guaranteed I'm not. We sent a man to the Olympics as a woman, we don't want all that woke BS. We don't hate woman, we don't hate gays we h8 the new normal!
@@skybluskyblueify No, DEI hiring may well be the issue. Limiting the pool of applicants to a tiny proportion of the population is NOT the way to get good people. It also drives others away from a career in the navy. We will have to wait and see.
well no wonder. The Captain is a DEI lesbian woman hire? So no wonder it ran aground? I mean give me a break, hire drag queens, and this is what happens.
Saying ‘the ship grounded itself and sank’ is like saying a gun went off and killed somebody. With regard to the photo I have seen of the captain of the Manawanui, how do you get awarded medals without fighting in a war? Even aside from the DEI aspect to this, it’s ridiculous. God help NZ if there is a war.
you get medals for attendance, participation..... long service, not being caught, being in the right place in view of someone handing out medals of some sort.
I think they have mostly been trying to stay neutral. Even if they weren’t, why would anyone travel all that way to attack them? Sheep are that valuable
How do you assess who/what is “so bad?” Do you understand anything about seamanship? Publish the facts that led you to this “guess” as to how it happened!
@HowardDrysdale The Captains prior career history seems to be the leading issue. But regardless of the seemingly obvious diversity hire, the ships function at the moment was mapping the sea bed which leads to the hilarous irony of a burning fire truck. It doesn't matter if it actually wasn't this captains fault the buck stops with her full stop.
I'm a Kiwi and I find hard to believe they were carrying out surveying activities at 7pm on a Saturday evening. A few tropical cocktails on deck while they watched the Sunset maybe. Perhaps someone forgot to put the park brake on.
i have worked on vessels where we survey for four weeks straight, we were then about 60 onboard. days and nights. but this was in the oil industry. so money talks much i guess
Don't worry, the US could be on the verge of make a truly horrific DEI hire in a very high position that will quickly get this out of the public's conscious.
I saw this ship all day Saturday, cruising around 3 km. back and forth east/west. I also saw one emergency flare later that night, about 9 pm, but I didn't know that it was from this ship. On Sunday morning I saw on FB that the crew was rescued overnight with no more details. So about 8:30 am I searched the coast to see if I could see the vessel, and I did locate it to the west of my position, listing and a lot of smoke coming from it. Next time I looked for it a few hours later, it was gone. The beautiful clear water on this island did not need a bunch of crap being dumped into it from this ship.
@@hugolindum7728Not really. Artificial reefs are cleaned before sinking. This ship is leaking tons of toxic fluids into the water plus it severely damaged the coral.
Retired USCG Marine investigator/inspector here. Morning Sal. Looking at that track line and the AIS data suggests one thing, this vessel was on autopilot and no one was monitoring the progress of the vessel. The vessel never changed speed or course when approaching the coast, crossed into shallow water and drove straight into the shore. Also in regards to a loss of power, thats the fastest "loss of power" vessel I've ever seen. It's like no one on board even knew the island was there.
@sambrown8224 >>Retired USCG Marine investigator/inspector here. Morning Sal. Looking at that track line and the AIS data suggests one thing, this vessel was on autopilot and no one was monitoring the progress of the vessel.
I like your points made. I'm writing a report here in NZ. On the Breakfast show interview I heard NZ Defence Minister Judith Collins suggest a power outage may have caused the ship to run aground. A Power Outage? Doesn't sound like a natural thing to cause a ship to sink so quickly to me! Were the crucial Power Management Systems-PMS and Dynamic Positioning-DP2 operations met? What were the contingency plans in place? There will be a Court of Inquiry led by NZ Defence Force into the incident. I'm a member of Taxpayers' Union lobby group & agree there will be conjecture on the cause of the sinking so there must be transparency. Samoa & its Pacific Island neighbours and all other small island developing states are particularly vulnerable to the adverse impacts of climate change. It's well documented sea level rise and the changing climatic conditions threatens the regions land, livelihoods, ecosystems (marine greatly) and their culture. With increased known changes a check of the ships compass was required. Geomagnetic energies may have changed magnetic north!.
@@ncox001 As an investigator, my job was not to point fingers. We had a simple role: Find out the details, determine the root cause, find a way to prevent it from happening again. I don't like to accuse people of wrongdoing, but the facts wont lie and they WILL point somewhere.
The New Zealand Navy had a dedicated survey ship from 1949 to 1975, HMNZS Lachlan, she was second hand, she was old, the first NZ navy ship with a flight deck and she carried 3 inshore survey vessels and she did the job unceremoniously and with pride and efficiency, punching above her weight,I know because I served on her in 1968 and 1969.
Indeed, I remember her well. Back in the days of "Black Prince" , "Royalist" and "Hawea", all of which also called in at my hometown of New Plymouth IIRC.
The word has gone out from the top that the cause was loss of power and anyone saying differently will face a court martial. The DEI captain will be awarded the Kings Medal for her heroic effort to save her makeup case during which she suffered a broken nail.
@@Darkstarr-ud2go Not sure what MAGA has to do with New Zealand, except that Trump is the father figure you hate- the guy who told you to turn off the video game, clean your room and get a job. Now if you were a voter in USA, you would have Kamala who is the embodiment of your first grade teacher who gave you participation trophies for finishing last in the crayon contest.
@@Darkstarr-ud2goWhat has MAGA got to do with things on this side of the world? Not everyone is just copying your thing. You’re not considered as special as you like to think.
Long after grounding she was seen from shore having electric lights on (power for pumps or fire fighting hoses). Also was seen to became un stuck. HMS Tamar, who later standing by, had time to board and recover log book from the deserted bridge. Was she abandoned too soon ???
This is still the only channel that has provided any known facts and presented in an impartial manner. I doubt NZ media will ever present any of these facts. I hope you can follow up this clip with any new information in a part 2. Standard of journalism in NZ is abysmal and unreliable.
The damning information is the current, windspeed, and failure to drop the anchor (if power loss is true). The first two would not have floated the ship shoreward, a gentle breeze on a multi ton ship, with the current going perpendicular to the island, does not add up mathematically to running towards the island. Second, the reef was charted, the ship specialized in sonar graphics, and it has a GPS system to give exact longitude and latitude, the OOD done screwed the pooch, along with the ship's captain. Gender/orientation/political ideology will not save her from the deserved relief for cause, and subsequent forced retirement.
The same goes for a skipper. I like this challenge, for example when I ferry people across the river. I am responsible for their safety and the safety of other traffic.
They do have that “ what in the world was the NZ Navy thinking when they commissioned a schoolmarm to be a ships captain?” kind of look on their face don’t they?
@@dfinlen They allready spin it,they used words like... it was a 'triumph"they little lesbian Female Capetain diversity stunt cost them one ship..there is one more female Capetian that damaged another ship..
Agree, she made sure that the crew spent 20%+ of their training on "Te Reo" learning, DEI training, self-hate struggle sessions for any white blokes still on board, Wellness counselling. I could go on. The Chinese PLA Navy cannot stop laughing 😥
This is why I pay 35% income tax, 50% fuel tax, and 15% goods and services tax in NZ + property rates and police service which only job is to collect speeding fines for going 53 in a 50 zone. There is a camera on every corner. All up its likely 50% tax here. It really helps so we can afford to pay for all the diversity.
What a top heavy tub. And of course leave it to New Zealand to use the Helen Keller Hydrographic survey by Braille method.... "Captain Philpot Sir, we've hit a reef!". "Good Malarkey, mark it on the map."......
If the usn ship was an LCS it wouldn't have hit the reef. It wouldn't have got there without breaking down or falling apart before it got any where near grounding. So it have been worse.😮
In 2019, at the ship's commissioning, Prime Minister Ardern stated; " “My responsibility as the sponsor of the ship will cover the 15 years Manawanui will dedicate in the service to New Zealand, and I take that role very seriously." 5 years later the ship sinks. 15 years of service was a bit overly optimistic.
Everyone said I was daft to build a ship on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest ship in all of New Zealand.
CRUSHER called it an incident. The just sunk the bloody ship . And she calls it an incident. Stubbing your toe is an incident crusher . What she did was sunk our ship . Namely a disaster😮
True. I was on a ship that tried to shortcut through some known reefs and bumped one of those sneaky reefs and bent a propshaft. The propshaft was 9 inches OD.
People are not mad that she’s a woman, they’re mad because she’s incompetent and are concerned that she was given her position because of DEI concerns instead of merit.
That has yet to be determined. If the ship lost power it may not be her fault. There may be other factors as well. Let's wait for the investigative report to be at least semi-finalized before jumping to conclusions.
Without knowing what happened, you can't exactly blame the captain? What about the officer of the watch? What about the rest of the "skilled" crew on board? Until we get more details, why bad mouth the captain? I don't want to defend them if they did wrong. But nobody has that information yet. For starters, we don't actually know what the vessel was tasked with at the time. It could have been a sanctioned high risk operation. Or she was simply incompetent and unable to manage the vessel and crew. But again, we don't know.
@@perryallan3524 Most people will wait for the investigation to be finalized like waiting for Diddy to see his day in court, before coming to any conclusions.
Reason for the grounding unknown? They were doing hydrographical surveys.. IE they were mapping the ground to show where its safe to travel etc.. Given these FACTS .. how do you run aground.. except by shear incompetence. The samoans seem to reach the islands safely 3500 years ago.. the europeans 200 years ago.. they had all the mod cons and still run aground?
Thankyou for your indepth input, and also you very kind words towards the end of the video!!! Being ex Pat Royal Navy Sailor down here in NZ, I hadnt been able to green much info, on an otherwise embarrassing situation, and being quite remote, and the weekend which slows things down, I found your report quite helpful. Cheers!!
"Grounded, caught fire, keeled over, then sank beneath the water." In the old days that's what would have happened to a captain's career after an incident like this. But now..?
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Unfortunately she’s a lesbian who often mentions her husband and her pronouns 😢😢😢
No accountability Its always politics mixed in these affairs that make militaries fail. Stalin started winning the war once he let competent people take control that he had removed prior. With our current set up, we will experience some loosing prior to promoting based on competency and merit again.
The New Zealand Navy is a joke, literally. Put more women in charge, make it a bigger joke. Don’t forget to add the transgender captains. Absolute farce.
"- You take the rudder, darling." "- No! I've had enough of the rudder. I've had it for at least an hour now." "- But I had it for two hours before that, it's only fair." "- You forget about last week!!"
Concise, objective analysis of a maritime event, utilizing a lifetime of experience. This is why so many of us follow you Sal. Always appreciate your work. Thank you!
How could hydrographic survey ship hit a well-charted reef in calm weather, catch on fire and then sink? Fortunatly all Royal New Zealand navy personnell were rescued and safe !!!
There was Malfunction before it hit the reef and sank so it drifted onto the reef . End of the day best to wait for the result of the inquiry before passing Judgement. As a former N.Z Navy Seaman this is a major shock.
Listen to Sal. It is not uncommon for ships to catch fire and sink after they are abandoned. The question is should she have not given the order to abandon ship after it became obvious they were not getting the ship off the reef. Tides are predictable. I can imagine the sea level going down, and the ship tilting more and more, until it slipped off the reef. Question is, how many people dies in that instance, in a useless attempt to save $125m.
So a vessel that constitutes half the tonnage of the entire New Zealand navy is operating near reefs, some of them uncharted, and yet it runs aground. That is hard to explain. -In the days of wooden sailing ships, someone would be at the bow of the ship throwing a line to measure the depth. Today they have depth gauges that work even better. And given the risky circumstances, why wasn't a small boat going ahead of this ship and radioing back the depth? There seems to be an incredible lack of foresight here.
The ships mission was literally charting the reefs. She was equipped with all the best sensors to see and map the reefs. So it's not like she was operating blind.
@@andrewtaylor940 But the nature of her duties required operating near reefs and other underwater obstructions. So while she was well equipped to avoid the hazards, but probability of occurrence is a function of both proximity and time. It will be interesting to see what the investigation eventually concludes.
@@olpaint71 True to a point. But she just lost a Capital Ship of an ocean going navy, specifically equipped for and currently actively tasked with mapping those reefs. In what would appear to be calm clear weather conditions and a fairly minor sea state. Grounding the ship badly enough to not simply entrap the ship, but resulting in an all hands evacuation, uncontrollable fires, listing leading to the ships rollover and complete loss. The only comparable incident I can think of is the 2018 loss of the Norwegian Navy frigate HNoMS Helge Ingstad in a collision with an oil tanker. If you ever find the final reports on that one the incident is horrifying in its root cause. Which was elevating diversity over actual merit or fitness for duty. In that case the entire bridge crew was an “all female, first of its kind” sort of deal. As the Norwegian Navy strove for gender parity in a job category that does not see a lot of female applicants. So any such applicants were taken and promoted to meet quotas, regardless of ability. Until they got them all on the same bridge… and a decision needed to be made. Here is the situation they faced. They were on an obvious collision course with the tanker. No question if they stayed on their plotted course they would collide. And the tanker could not avoid them. Their only option for turning in time would take them into an area of water that the rules said they should not go. Because depending on tides there was a risk of grounding. So their choices were “absolute 100% certainty of collision with another heavier vessel!” Or “possibility of grounding the ship”. Want to guess which one they went with? Because grounding the ship would look bad on their records. They apparently argued about this until they hit the tanker. Resulting in the sinking of 20% of the Norwegian Navy. Yeah, we need to wait on the final reports on this one. But it’s pretty clear at a glance that there were some staggering levels of gross incompetence of leadership with this one. Because these aren’t 18th Century sailing vessels. And any modern military (that is not Russian) should be capable of sufficient damage control to avoid the loss of the ship. Short of hitting an undiscovered WW2 Sea Mine, there really isn’t any possibility here that doesn’t scream total incompetence.
I worked on RAINIER and FAIRWEATHER. both vessels 50 years old and slated to be replaced (i believe those are under construction). The survey launches are 29' aluminum prop driven with Cummins diesels. Full suite of electronics and even a head. Very capable boats. They go out a full 8 to 10 hour day because 50 gallons of diesel lasts when surveying. One of my YT videos is on RAINIER as we depart San Francisco.
@@craigmooney3744 Something tells me the previous owner had lost interest, and left it to deteriorate at anchor without a crew for a substantial amount of time, or the new owner didn't care. As someone who spent four years as crew aboard a nuclear attack carrier, I find the latter scenario deeply disturbing.
@@craigmooney3744 when they sold it to the navy they sent them pictures of when it was new. The navy was so embarrassed when they got it they slapped cheap navy grey paint over them.
@@wgowshipping"HMNZS Aotearoa is significantly larger and designed for logistical support and Antarctic operations, while the HMNZS Canterbury is focused on amphibious and sealift capabilities"
A great summary of the "sinking incident", Sal! As a Kiwi, I find this very embarrassing for our dedicated and skilled navel defence force soldiers and for all of us from our island nation. There will be much comedic mileage gained from this debacle, with much pub banter, blame and hilarious stories thrown about for a long time to come. I hope there's a damn good reason for this mess occurring and that the truth will be revealed and we not be subjected to some nefarious political cover up like what the US seems to experience every day. Keep the blue side up, and the brown hard stuff away from the keel. David
It's not like cover-up is a principle foreign to NZ. Take it from someone born there. And, while certain branches, like SAS, are good, I'll think you'll find that the NZDF is subject to the same varieties of incompetence that plague other armed forces. The thing that is truly lacking is the intestinal fortitude to own up to shortcomings. And that isn't only in the armed forces. NZ "exceptionalism" is to be found everywhere, but there doesn't seem to be much basis to take it seriously. If you can get people who simply know their jobs, you've scored big.
@@andysaunders3708It will be the Goggle intervention/interference of "auto correction spelling/grammar....." I find it a P.I.T.A a lot to be honest....
My uncle was a helmsman in the US Navy. He once got commended for refusing to obey a direct order from the OOD. If he had obeyed her(!), the ship would've grounded. Thankfully, the captain was quickly called to the bridge and countermanded her. If she had been instead, my uncle would've wound up in the brig and the Navy would've been down a ship.
My Dad was on two subs...once the guy responsible for the planes messed up and put them on the bottom. They got away without damage, and after they recovered, there was a beat down, all officially approved
👏👏👏❤️❤️awesome uncle! in the usa navy the code of conduct states you must disobey an order that would cause direct and obvious damage to ship or crew....under the constitution and navy protocol the order was "treasonous"
🚨CORRECTION: Manawanui is the 3rd largest ship in the RNZN. I misread her tonnage and that is my error.
This story is about what we know so far in the sinking of HMNZS Manawanui. Since the focus of the comments seems to be on the ship's captain, here is her background.
Commander Yvonne Gray joined the Royal Navy in 1993 and sailed in frigates and minehunters. She transferred to the Royal New Zealand Navy in 2012 and Manawanui is her first command.🚨
Also, no comments on my excellent Maori?
And her last command, as well
@@PatRiarchy-qw6cp That is true.
You tried at least.
This is almost as bad as Sweden losing one of its New VISBY Class Frigates a couple of years ago .
@sgtbrown4273 how long you been there? I know the cutest little thing Jessica Lipsky from San Diego that did testing and studies on animals research down there for at least a decade back in 2000s. You’d remember her if you came across her. Cutest little thing and so sweet! Good worker. Worked for Scripps institute I belive and went down there on one of the USS Dennis I think?
first rule of navigation. don't drive the ship where the birds are walking
Is that like the aviation rule.
Don’t fly into clouds containing mountain goats! 😳😂
Many idiots these days, only learn by their actions.
Now you tell me.
I don't want to let you all know something. Certain nations are going to collapse yourself for the new world order. There's going to be 10 nations left of the new world order after the destruction of World War 3 and major catastrophic man-made weather weapons. That's a rove, but they worship Lucifer. As God they are Freemason, religion research it look up, William Cooper or mystery of Babylon on RUclips. William Cooper, check it out. Watch the hour time episodes. At least 10 of them put your trust in Jesus. Things are going to get rough. So anyway, they're going to crash out certain navy's on purpose. The ships were designed for an old air of kinetic war to defend independent nations like I said, over a 170 nations are going to join one of the 10 major nations and that is, at the last time we're gonna be just like big cities, I'm just telling you what the truth is? I'm just telling you what the truth is and there's a satan as if we've got a short time. He knows his time is short and God has got him one of a week. You know, as well as I do that. The days are going quick. God has shortened a time on earth. To give satan even less time and those that are righteous under Jesus.Are quick or time to get through this.Tell people that you know about jesus
The green marker?
The red marker?
Uuuh. I Like Red ♥️
The loss of a hydrographic survey ship in these circumstances is humiliating. Ultimately the Commanding Officer is responsible
The inquiry will find someone else to blame, a male of course.
@@wyattfamily8997Captain Cook?
She's gay it'll be deemed some random straight white guys fault
@@gaycha6589 lol
Sounds like a problem during maintenance if it lost power on its first mission after heavy work
“The mark of a great ship handler is never getting into situations that require great ship handling.”
Fleet Admiral Earnest J. King USN
Makes you wonder why he kept Halsey around after the second typhoon
I need this to be a motivational poster for my boat.
hear hear..
@@shawnmiller4781 ask nimitz not king
@robdog1245Halsey should have never been in comtrol of where the fleet goes. However once the fighting started he was pretty damn good. Unfortunately "Admiral but only during combat" is not a real rank.
Very hard to hide total incompetence, but every government tries.
They aren't trying very hard. Have you ever tuned in to the "News" or looked at a Social Cancer, oops I mean Media, website?
The phrase "You had one job!" comes to mind.
Ah,...but at least the crew were 100% vaccinated! Thanks, Jacinda!
and she munched it… because it seems she is not into blowing.
If only they kept that in mind, instead of diversity hires and diversity naming...
His job was to find the reefs :-)!
The one job is to keep the crew as safe as possible.
Ran aground, capsized, caught on fire and then sank.
That sounds like an Achievement for sinking an enemy ship in a game.
"Use four methods at once to destroy an enemy ship"
Sounds positively Russian Black Sea fleet doesn’t it
Or maybe a Monty Python sketch...
That’s the level of expertise in the Royal NZ Navy! Yahoo! Well done! Always the “Best in the World!” This “fuck up” surely was the “best in the world!” Hope there is a Court Marshall over the sinking!
@@johnlamb3101 she is gay, everyone look the other way.
@@pastorjerrykliner3162 YES! My thoughts precisely. At least it was not in a swamp.....?
Hydrographic survey. Using the touch system.
hahahaha
Yup, we found bottom captain! 😅
percussive surveying
Bumper failure
NZ does everything by braille
The captain is an idiot and incompetent. This is embarrassing. No excuses. The nerve of making the captain a hero for saving the crew when they were almost killed. Royal fuck up.
Was it a DIE hire
If the captain is men, sure he will be reprimanded and tell he’s a bad commander ect ect. But since this “commander” is whaman and even better, lesbian, sure she will be remembered as “hero”.
kevin1294 - like how NZ immediately came out lauding her bravery and heroism in “saving” crew?
But hey…. She got to play captain! So strong and independent.
Heavy duty damage control for the captain vs the ship. Was there a black box audio recording? Do Lloyds demand so, even for Naval vessels?
@@user-kcrpineImmediately came out and lauded as hero. Before any investigation has been completed. Tells you all you need to know. Normally (if you are not a woman and a lesbian...read "protected group"), nothing would be said until completion of a complete investigation.
The ship was surveying reefs - it definitely located a reef
"Reef ahoy!"
“During our survey we discovered a large amount of previously undocumented damage to the reef consistent with impacts from a large ship.” -
ya don't say.......
was one of those indentations the exact shape of the _Manawanui_ hull?
and become one
irrelevant
Kinda expensive learning cure how many more ships will the need to find other reefs?
I just hope no one is held responsible. The last thing we want is hurting anyone's feelings. 😅
yeah god forbid there are consequences for actions
😂😂😂
Unless it’s a white male
They'll probably pin the whole thing on some White Cis Het enlisted male sailor.
Especially a Lesbian - dont wanna have the WOKE brigade on you
Heckuva job, Yvonne. She runs a naval vessel aground. It catches fires, sinks, forcing all hands to abandon ship. Civilians save them. And she is praised for the evacuation? , it's great to be a DEI hire.
Given that she is the first British Naval personal that sink a foreign vessel since Falklands War. That need a medal don't you think?
Couldn't make it up. Can we go back to hiring folks who are the best for the job - equal opportunities - but hire the best.
Yes she is a lesbian.
😂 This is why You Never Apply Your Mascara and eye Liner in your Rear View mirror while Driving ! Wish I could say you will never catch her male counter parts doing so , but with this New Woke world ( Time will tell ) .
What a Shame... Such an impressive, wonderful and capable Vessel...
I am a former First Mate that worked on containerships for over 10 years. I worked with very competent captains most of the time. When you have a captain who is not competent for the job, it puts the entire vessel, crew, and cargo at risk.
One captain I worked with as a third mate was so incompetent our vessel near grounded when entering Norfolk Va, when he decided to turn the ship out of the bouyed channel and nearly grounded.
There were many close calls and incidents over the 6 month contract that I had signed on to that vessel for until the very last day of my contract. On that last day when we arrived at Hong Kong, the ship was too fast for the ETA so he decided that rather then reduce the engine RPM he was going to do a round turn to adjust the ETA.
So at night in very heavy traffic about 5 NM south of Waglan Island, he decided to do this round turn and as a result our ship caused a collision with a coastal bulk carrier laden with coal. The collision shore of the bulk carriers bow right at the collision bulk head. Our vessel took damage as well that required an emergency dry dock.
Fortunately, there was no loss of life.
The Captain was found solely responsible for the collision and was nearly sent to China to face trial. Luckily for him, the owner of OOCL was close to the CPC and was able to keep him from getting arrested. This was 2000.
You are right.
Sometimes a good navigator, cam save the incompetent captain.
But that is rare.
This CAPTAIN RAN HER SHIP DIRECLY ON SHORE
INTELLIGENCE?
YOU LAY OFF SHORE, UNTIL FIRST LIGHT.
CAPTAIN = IDIOT
Only thing I can say for him, at least he didn't manage to set fire to anything...
Thanks for sharing that, it shows the other element of allowing bad skippers a ship. The people that work on that ship that know he/she lacks the skills, work under the stress of hoping his mistakes only have small consequences. The round turn through a shipping channel manouvre is the nautical version of stopping on a 6 lane freeway then doing a blind Uturn from one side to the other.
Did you and the crew not think of mutiny at all? Surely crew can do a vote of no consequence of some kind and have the captain replaced?
@@blickluke Vote of 'no confidence' is the term. Mutiny laws still exist but in merchant navy is only a temporary declaration that second in command is taking temporary control due to skippers repeated dangerous errors witnessed by most of the crew. Unless the captain has commited multiple law breaches. In which case the second officer can request from both the company and shipping authority to restrain and/or incarcerate offendor until safe anchorage is reached. Mutiny protocol is not a claim to make lightly, you will face arbitration investigation with the possibility that the shipping authority and the skipper fight against you and a losing claim would certainly end the career of the instigator, who would also face fines and imprisonment.
OMFG, the delicious irony of a ship grounding itself while conducting a hydrographic survey.
The lesson here is don't survey uncharted waters, I guess.
@@knightrider585first female commander? Maybe the lesson is DEI hiring is bad.
The media stand up said that the survey was completed before the vessel grounded
That is true. But nothing much you can do if you lose power. The cook straight ferry is testament to that.
@@kiwiadventures3773why are defending this so actively?
They sent the ship out to look for reefs. They found a reef. Other countries use sonar to look for underwater rocks. New Zealand does it by feel guided by feelings.
Use echosounders not sonar.
Surveying by braille.
Well that’s a new one.
LOL!
Exact position of reef clearly marked on charts successfully confirmed.
Yup, they're definitely still there
And now it's even marked with a convenient shipwreck so everyone can see where it is!
Task failed successfully
Actually this reef hasn't been surveyed since the 80s which means it changes.
@@my12spoonswithrose43 reefs grow very slowly
She got all excited when she heard they were 'going down'.
Haha
Way too many smiles from a crew that just lost a Navy ship to a static object. Never change New Zealand.👍
@@michaelbateman6430 a static unarmed object , think of new Zealand chances at war
Mabe they're smiling because they anticipate that their commanding officer will be relieved of command and relegated to an administrative assignment! LOL!
@@carlv8168Depends on who the commanding officer is. If it's a DEI officer their/they job is safe😄
They were smiling because they all thought the captain had gone down with the ship.
They are happy they are fully vaccinated . And to top that they were able to save the lgbt flag from going down with the ship .
I won't be holding my breath in anticipation of a thoroughly detailed, verifiable report on the loss. NZ has a poor reputation when it comes to cover-ups.
🙄
but the head of the Inquiry into this sinking is another Navy Officer... a female one as well by striking coincidence. That means it will be fair doesn't it?
@@colonelfustercluck486 🤣😂🥺
Sadly so, as in the case of the Mount Erebus Disaster. The current PM is a former, though much later, Air New Zealand CEO.
I was about to say the same thing. I'll be surprised if they release everything that they found out about this incident. I was about to mention the crash of the airplane into Antarctica but I can see someone has already mentioned it. That was one of the world's worst cover-ups and a display of power and corruption. Let's see what happens here, let's see how open they are. The taxpayers off the country are older explanation if one of the Navy's bathtubs was grounded.
Excellent report, from a NZ resident who wanted to hear not the comments from politicians or journalists, but from someone who knows his stuff. Thanks!
I agree and add no negative citizen trolls allowed either
@@13699111 There's plenty of misogynists and essentially racists below. Blaming those characteristics rather than wait for the details to come out. They are jumping the gun because their emotions are that strong about those issues.
@@skybluskyblueifyOver 26 years and NZ gave her, her 1st command. It's not hatred, it's ridicule. There's huge suspicion that it was a diversity hire, call me misogynist, homophobe and transphobe, guaranteed I'm not. We sent a man to the Olympics as a woman, we don't want all that woke BS. We don't hate woman, we don't hate gays we h8 the new normal!
My thoughts exactly. This is the site to come to.
@@skybluskyblueify No, DEI hiring may well be the issue. Limiting the pool of applicants to a tiny proportion of the population is NOT the way to get good people. It also drives others away from a career in the navy. We will have to wait and see.
When you have DEI hiring practices you don't get the luxury of dodging the DEI criticism of your DEI hires.
The NZ defense minister is also a "didn't earn it"
Oh yes you do
One word... Incompetence.
well no wonder. The Captain is a DEI lesbian woman hire? So no wonder it ran aground? I mean give me a break, hire drag queens, and this is what happens.
Two words: diversity hire
Looks like wokeness strikes again, with more incompetence from the bridge.
Of the highest order! Better be held accountable and not be another woke joke like Ardern...
Two words: diversity hire
"You're good! You're good! You're good! You're good! You're good!"
**metallic screeching**
"You're good! You're good!"
Right hand down a bit, I said right hand! 😂
Annnnnd stop.
SpongeBob 😂
Toxic positivity has been wrecking a lot of stuff recently. Took $400million from Sony, $150million from NZ Navy.
"Don't worry Cap'n, we'll buff out those scratches." 🧽
Saying ‘the ship grounded itself and sank’ is like saying a gun went off and killed somebody. With regard to the photo I have seen of the captain of the Manawanui, how do you get awarded medals without fighting in a war? Even aside from the DEI aspect to this, it’s ridiculous. God help NZ if there is a war.
you get medals for attendance, participation..... long service, not being caught, being in the right place in view of someone handing out medals of some sort.
God wont help us because we have spat wokeness in his face,we are basically adrift like that vessel was and are following the same trajectory sadly.
fortunately the country folk still know how to shoot straight
More ribbons than a Malaysian customs clerk. Officer... Whatever.
I think they have mostly been trying to stay neutral. Even if they weren’t, why would anyone travel all that way to attack them?
Sheep are that valuable
Finally, good commentary on the incident
Captain Cook managed to get around without a chart and no engine.
must have had engine trouble so it was shutdown.
and he also hit a reef ...
He was a man
..and eaten
But Cook was an old salt, not a DEI hire...
Imagine being so bad at your job that you run aground on a ship full of sensors for mapping the sea bed.
😅😅
Do you know who was in command?
How do you assess who/what is “so bad?”
Do you understand anything about seamanship?
Publish the facts that led you to this “guess” as to how it happened!
@@HowardDrysdale- you may want to engage brain while reading comments. pretty obvious what he said
@HowardDrysdale The Captains prior career history seems to be the leading issue. But regardless of the seemingly obvious diversity hire, the ships function at the moment was mapping the sea bed which leads to the hilarous irony of a burning fire truck. It doesn't matter if it actually wasn't this captains fault the buck stops with her full stop.
I'm a Kiwi and I find hard to believe they were carrying out surveying activities at 7pm on a Saturday evening. A few tropical cocktails on deck while they watched the Sunset maybe. Perhaps someone forgot to put the park brake on.
Woman driver
Krodile Dundy.
exactly, couple of scobies, then you're in business. 😅
Sounds about right.
i have worked on vessels where we survey for four weeks straight, we were then about 60 onboard. days and nights. but this was in the oil industry. so money talks much i guess
Ship's Master, Yvonne Gray "...once hoped to open her own restaurant...". She may be doing that soon.
sexy fingers lol
I doubt it. She's a DEI hire and they can't fire those. It would prove their mistake are placing the tool in charge.
@@AB-ez4rm nah, her naval career is gone. DEI or not. The loss is huge for the NZ navy and it will take years to make good on the loss.
Well, she'll be chipping paint and washing dishes for the rest of her time in the Navy.
@@AB-ez4rm but the water identified as being deeper
The other thing that seems to have hit rock bottom in NZ is the talent.
Pommie upside down chair sitter... not kiwi
The real talent went to work in the US and Australia 😂
Kinda true. People have been fleeing NZ in droves because inflation, cost of living skyrocketing and lack of quality jobs for younger people.
Welcome to the Rest of this downridden World...
DEI hires never have any talent for the job.
The Irish Navy recently suffered a similar setback when an oar broke.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
LOL
Cold. 😊
Tres witty!!!
Lol...😂
Incompetence. Pure and simple. Pure talent on your part, Ms Captain.
I want to know if they're going to sue the captain for damage to the reef like they'd do to any civilian captain.
Why the captain, rather than the crew member monitoring the depth gauge.
@@michaeldowson6988 It's always the Captain's fault. It comes with the hat.
@@michaeldowson6988 Oh boy, there always has to be an apologist for a failed system .
Did Not Earn It. Quotas. "Equity" .
It's Milatary they pay the bill
@@Mishn0 Then why do they waste money on investigative enquiries?
I hope the investigation is not shallow.
Lol
There wont be one. DEIs are untouchable.
Could be a rocky journey i feel 😅
Don't hold your breath. It may take some time to decide which male to blame.
😅😅😅
They found the reef!
Now it is a reef.
Correction - They re-discovered a "well-charted reef", according to Sal.
Sonar contact! Brace for impact! Well, obviously the reef was at fault
Probably smoking the reef too.
Did you see the reef?
Well, I hit it didn't I? 🐿
They want to save money by buying a ship, valued at about 20 million USD, for about 100 million USD, then put the DEI hire in charge ^^ Clown world!
An embarrassing and terrible loss for NZ, my country.
Awesome video! Thank you 👍
Shame .
Hopefully the next captain will be picked based on skills and experience.
Not dei.
terrible loss..hahahhaha..jesus our navy is embarassing and insignifigant
We're so woke we have a ship that identifies as a submarine.
@@nnglnd 100% i hope
Don't worry, the US could be on the verge of make a truly horrific DEI hire in a very high position that will quickly get this out of the public's conscious.
I saw this ship all day Saturday, cruising around 3 km. back and forth east/west. I also saw one emergency flare later that night, about 9 pm, but I didn't know that it was from this ship. On Sunday morning I saw on FB that the crew was rescued overnight with no more details. So about 8:30 am I searched the coast to see if I could see the vessel, and I did locate it to the west of my position, listing and a lot of smoke coming from it. Next time I looked for it a few hours later, it was gone. The beautiful clear water on this island did not need a bunch of crap being dumped into it from this ship.
It will eventually be a great reef if left in situ.
@@hugolindum7728Not really. Artificial reefs are cleaned before sinking. This ship is leaking tons of toxic fluids into the water plus it severely damaged the coral.
New artificial reef 😅
Captain saved 75 lives, reduced the navy future operating expenses, and created an artificial reef. Captain is hero!
I have no doubt she will be promoted to admiral!
@@iesusegoconfidoinvobis4309 Another DEI success!
I have remarked on the new reef but the irony is it hit an old style reef to make a new reef😂
Captain is completely unprofessional. DEI, DEI, and then not okey.
Not exactly saving lives when you put them in danger to begin with lmao
The Captain was appointed not because of merit but because of politics, this is the results of this.
Retired USCG Marine investigator/inspector here. Morning Sal. Looking at that track line and the AIS data suggests one thing, this vessel was on autopilot and no one was monitoring the progress of the vessel. The vessel never changed speed or course when approaching the coast, crossed into shallow water and drove straight into the shore. Also in regards to a loss of power, thats the fastest "loss of power" vessel I've ever seen. It's like no one on board even knew the island was there.
@sambrown8224 >>Retired USCG Marine investigator/inspector here. Morning Sal. Looking at that track line and the AIS data suggests one thing, this vessel was on autopilot and no one was monitoring the progress of the vessel.
which, unfortunately, suggests incompetence or negligence on the part of the navigator/CO
I like your points made. I'm writing a report here in NZ. On the Breakfast show interview I heard NZ Defence Minister Judith Collins suggest a power outage may have caused the ship to run aground.
A Power Outage? Doesn't sound like a natural thing to cause a ship to sink so quickly to me!
Were the crucial Power Management Systems-PMS and Dynamic Positioning-DP2 operations met?
What were the contingency plans in place? There will be a Court of Inquiry led by NZ Defence Force into the incident. I'm a member of Taxpayers' Union lobby group & agree there will be conjecture on the cause of the sinking so there must be transparency. Samoa & its Pacific Island neighbours and all other small island developing states are particularly vulnerable to the adverse impacts of climate change.
It's well documented sea level rise and the changing climatic conditions threatens the regions land, livelihoods, ecosystems (marine greatly) and their culture.
With increased known changes a check of the ships compass was required.
Geomagnetic energies may have changed magnetic north!.
@@ncox001 As an investigator, my job was not to point fingers. We had a simple role: Find out the details, determine the root cause, find a way to prevent it from happening again. I don't like to accuse people of wrongdoing, but the facts wont lie and they WILL point somewhere.
Power outage?
Drop anchor.
The New Zealand Navy had a dedicated survey ship from 1949 to 1975, HMNZS Lachlan, she was second hand, she was old, the first NZ navy ship with a flight deck and she carried 3 inshore survey vessels and she did the job unceremoniously and with pride and efficiency, punching above her weight,I know because I served on her in 1968 and 1969.
Thank you for your service 🍻
Indeed, I remember her well. Back in the days of "Black Prince" , "Royalist" and "Hawea", all of which also called in at my hometown of New Plymouth IIRC.
The word has gone out from the top that the cause was loss of power and anyone saying differently will face a court martial. The DEI captain will be awarded the Kings Medal for her heroic effort to save her makeup case during which she suffered a broken nail.
Hang on , you're assuming she's the feminine one in the relationship 🤔
Assume she lost power.... drop the fucking anchor.
Seriously, there’s MAGA on this ??? Get a life …
@@Darkstarr-ud2go Not sure what MAGA has to do with New Zealand, except that Trump is the father figure you hate- the guy who told you to turn off the video game, clean your room and get a job. Now if you were a voter in USA, you would have Kamala who is the embodiment of your first grade teacher who gave you participation trophies for finishing last in the crayon contest.
@@Darkstarr-ud2goWhat has MAGA got to do with things on this side of the world?
Not everyone is just copying your thing. You’re not considered as special as you like to think.
Long after grounding she was seen from shore having electric lights on (power for pumps or fire fighting hoses). Also was seen to became un stuck. HMS Tamar, who later standing by, had time to board and recover log book from the deserted bridge. Was she abandoned too soon ???
This is still the only channel that has provided any known facts and presented in an impartial manner. I doubt NZ media will ever present any of these facts. I hope you can follow up this clip with any new information in a part 2. Standard of journalism in NZ is abysmal and unreliable.
The damning information is the current, windspeed, and failure to drop the anchor (if power loss is true). The first two would not have floated the ship shoreward, a gentle breeze on a multi ton ship, with the current going perpendicular to the island, does not add up mathematically to running towards the island. Second, the reef was charted, the ship specialized in sonar graphics, and it has a GPS system to give exact longitude and latitude, the OOD done screwed the pooch, along with the ship's captain. Gender/orientation/political ideology will not save her from the deserved relief for cause, and subsequent forced retirement.
I learned more from your presentation than I did from my Government. Thanks!!
The captain / commander / skipper is always responsible.
The same goes for a skipper. I like this challenge, for example when I ferry people across the river. I am responsible for their safety and the safety of other traffic.
Unfortunately presidents don't meet at standard.
The captain was a woke lesbian karen..
True, unless you're a DEI hire
But it's a lesbian so....
A ship without a depth finder? I am shocked in the age of GPS this could happen!
She could not READ the depth finder.
From the faces of the crew on the beach - somebody fucked up big time.
Yeah, the captain.
They do have that “ what in the world was the NZ Navy thinking when they commissioned a schoolmarm to be a ships captain?” kind of look on their face don’t they?
nah thats the new cast for treasure island.
yeah the pictures shows all 75 of them being rescued.... i lost count after 21.. can some one help me with that ??
@@minime8048 they ran out of black ink to put over their eyes so they stayed out of the photo
A kiwi here, well done with the pronunciation of the name of this vessel. The Commander is ultimately responsible for this debacle.
you are not allowed to say that - she is LGBTQ - !!
Accountability? Yes, well we will see won’t we.
The commander is a" progressive " just like the shps sponsor!!
@@dfinlen They allready spin it,they used words like... it was a 'triumph"they little lesbian Female Capetain diversity stunt cost them one ship..there is one more female Capetian that damaged another ship..
100%…a total disgrace
"May this ship be symbolic of New Zealand," Jacinda Ardern, 2019
had to laugh out loud!
@@ingeborgpostelnik4748 Absolutely! 🙂
And of course it is......
@@cathybrind2381Yea, just fecking Woke. We're fecked here.... Use 2B an awesome country.....
Neighed the horse
As an New Zealader, I don't know about our Navy , but Judith Collins scares the crap out of me ...
She looks like Divine.
Great job Captain Yvonne and im sure you will be promoted to Admiral after this wonderful display of your talents .
Agree, she made sure that the crew spent 20%+ of their training on "Te Reo" learning, DEI training, self-hate struggle sessions for any white blokes still on board, Wellness counselling. I could go on. The Chinese PLA Navy cannot stop laughing 😥
Failing upward is prevalent.
Wokeism is doing well in NZ.
Failing upwards is the status quo for DEI hires.
You must be a bigot and hate trans people (and the rest of the LGBTQ+++ ) 😂
This is why I pay 35% income tax, 50% fuel tax, and 15% goods and services tax in NZ + property rates and police service which only job is to collect speeding fines for going 53 in a 50 zone. There is a camera on every corner. All up its likely 50% tax here. It really helps so we can afford to pay for all the diversity.
It's 58% of our wages go to tax in Australia and we are marginally less fked than you so you'd actually be paying 60%+ in tax my friend.
rainbow power my man, only the beginning
@@EXZACHTPERFORMANCE I don't know anyone paying 58% tax in Australia.
@@soulsphere9242we care?
@@bobsemple9341 my point being the statement is BS.
Would be interested in a voice recording from the bridge leading up to this.
Bitching and whining as usual”!
Accidentally deleted, & ships cameras lost power & are broken.. :-/
Don't tell me where to drive this ship, I'm captain. Full speed ahead. I know where I'm going.
That will never see the light of day thanks to the fascists in New Zealand protecting their diversity hire
@@SeaJay_Oceans ... so foul play then
You go girl.
And down she went.
Captain, you're FIRED!
What a top heavy tub. And of course leave it to New Zealand to use the Helen Keller Hydrographic survey by Braille method.... "Captain Philpot Sir, we've hit a reef!". "Good Malarkey, mark it on the map."......
@@bigtoad45 haha funny👍
Oh, you're talking about the ship. I thought you were talking about the New Zealand Defense Minister.
@@michaelbishop7654Same.
Hey! I'm a kiwi and I resent that remark! There was nothing wrong with the boats design 😂
Haha
USN had same affliction years ago, multiple ships came down with Runagrounditis
I thought the US Navy's problem was running into things. Cargo ships, etc.
But were those crews up to date in their diversity training?
@@andrewtaylor940 The US Navy has about 470 ships. NZ Navy has like 5 tug boats, a cruiser and a destroyer.
If the usn ship was an LCS it wouldn't have hit the reef.
It wouldn't have got there without breaking down or falling apart before it got any where near grounding.
So it have been worse.😮
Which led to a rash of never commanding agains.
Thank you from NZ. Great to hear the actual story.
NZ navy oceanography ship sunk by anemone attack.
Another Kiwi here. This Captain was a Jacinda Ardern DEI hire. Just sayin"
@@NedNZ Any superstitious mariner worth their salt will tell you, the ship was renamed under a cursed star
In 2019, at the ship's commissioning, Prime Minister Ardern stated; " “My responsibility as the sponsor of the ship will cover the 15 years Manawanui will dedicate in the service to New Zealand, and I take that role very seriously." 5 years later the ship sinks. 15 years of service was a bit overly optimistic.
We get zero information in New Zealand on this so thank you for your summary and nonjudgmental advice and what could’ve gone wrong. Cheers.
I read about on telegram LORD BEBO.
"You can't park there!"
You can't dock there
she did turned on the hazard light ?
Everyone said I was daft to build a ship on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest ship in all of New Zealand.
Ah, Monte Python.
Is that because shes from Yorkshire ?
You beat me to it. That's the first thing I thought of when Sal ran through the sequence of aground, caught fire, capsized, and sank. :)
SPAM
😂😂😂
Thank you onve again for helping Matt and Tyler on ZM #Legend
CRUSHER called it an incident. The just sunk the bloody ship . And she calls it an incident. Stubbing your toe is an incident crusher . What she did was sunk our ship . Namely a disaster😮
one involving incompetence at that.
@@Gizziiusa an appropriate name for a guy joining the incel group wank over a lesbian in uniform
totally agree... its a shocker !!!!
Is this considered intentional grounding?
5 yard penalty, replay the down
Good report. Wind and sea conditions were appreciated.
That part of the world if famous for those sneaky reefs. In fact there's so many that you even have to look at the map sometimes!
Chart
Maps are racist and sexist
True. I was on a ship that tried to shortcut through some known reefs and bumped one of those sneaky reefs and bent a propshaft. The propshaft was 9 inches OD.
I wonder how the charts happen
@@guyrosinbaum7745 Of course, Apologies. I'm Infantry.
New Zealand navy: "We did NOT lose the ship because the captain was a woman!"
No, you lost it because the captain was incompetent.
People are not mad that she’s a woman, they’re mad because she’s incompetent and are concerned that she was given her position because of DEI concerns instead of merit.
In a nutshell
Stop defending the captain guys. You're in command because you're supposed to know better, and this is an embarrassing way to lose your ship.
It’s not her fault! She’s just a woman! There was lots of switches and buttons 😂
That has yet to be determined. If the ship lost power it may not be her fault. There may be other factors as well.
Let's wait for the investigative report to be at least semi-finalized before jumping to conclusions.
They have to protect their positions of power.
If new Zealand found out the ship sank because of incompetents..
Someone might think dei is bad.
Without knowing what happened, you can't exactly blame the captain?
What about the officer of the watch?
What about the rest of the "skilled" crew on board?
Until we get more details, why bad mouth the captain? I don't want to defend them if they did wrong. But nobody has that information yet.
For starters, we don't actually know what the vessel was tasked with at the time. It could have been a sanctioned high risk operation.
Or she was simply incompetent and unable to manage the vessel and crew.
But again, we don't know.
@@perryallan3524 Most people will wait for the investigation to be finalized like waiting for Diddy to see his day in court, before coming to any conclusions.
No matter the cause of the unfortunate accident the
captain/master of the vessel is responsible!
Thanks for this. So much more info than we’ve been given here in NZ
Reason for the grounding unknown? They were doing hydrographical surveys.. IE they were mapping the ground to show where its safe to travel etc.. Given these FACTS .. how do you run aground.. except by shear incompetence. The samoans seem to reach the islands safely 3500 years ago.. the europeans 200 years ago.. they had all the mod cons and still run aground?
And the lady Captain was eventually found on the shore blaming men....in between bouts of wailing and weeping...
Thankyou for your indepth input, and also you very kind words towards the end of the video!!!
Being ex Pat Royal Navy Sailor down here in NZ, I hadnt been able to green much info, on an otherwise embarrassing situation, and being quite remote, and the weekend which slows things down, I found your report quite helpful.
Cheers!!
The distress signal wasn't S.O.S, it was D.E.I.
Forgot the Auto pilot was still on, pure comedy gold.
"Grounded, caught fire, keeled over, then sank beneath the water." None of this 'captain goes down with the ship' out of sheer embarrassment stuff.
"Grounded, caught fire, keeled over, then sank beneath the water."
In the old days that's what would have happened to a captain's career after an incident like this. But now..?
Unfortunately she’s a lesbian who often mentions her husband and her pronouns 😢😢😢
When the most notable event of your career sounds like a Monty Python skit, you know you're in trouble.
DEI in action
@@USMCArchAngel03 She checks multiple DEI boxes she will be fine
HQ: "We need you to go up there and find the shallow bit"
Ship: "FOUND IT!"
No sonar, no radar, no watch, what in hell happened to naval dicipline and where was damage control?
The sad thing is it’s entirely possible her actions will very possibly be looked at differently…… this is unacceptable
I would love to hear from the Captains former colleagues from the RN and her performance
if she made captain in the Royal Navy, she must have been competent... met a lot of them and if the UK can do something, it's train naval officers.
It would be the LAST thing they ever did, before being court-martialed and disappeared!
Absolute nonsense! Were seeing DEI hires all over the world in some very high places making fools of themselves@norman-str3ss88
She was never a Captain in the R.N.
@@norman-str3ss88 rubbish! That's a baseless assumption.
Yeah, SHE hit the reef, but SHE saved lives.
The illogic of the MSM on this entire debacle.
No accountability
Its always politics mixed in these affairs that make militaries fail.
Stalin started winning the war once he let competent people take control that he had removed prior.
With our current set up, we will experience some loosing prior to promoting based on competency and merit again.
Dei truly sucks doesnt it @@MoonayMultipliar
@@GabrielGarcia-lw4tb Apparently !
she saved 75 lives apparently. About 43 more than the ships normal crew level.
Now that's results.
the MSM is ran by the government dude
She was trying to parallel park.
Hey come on now!!....
It was a fair mistake, anyone can confuse the bridge for the kitchen! 😂😂😂
The New Zealand Navy is a joke, literally. Put more women in charge, make it a bigger joke. Don’t forget to add the transgender captains. Absolute farce.
Hillarious!
Her ability to do that was equal to her map reading skills.
NZ Police will come to check my thinking if i laugh at this
The ship was caught up in some very diverse conditions.
Seems negligent being close to a well known reef. That’s a lot of valuable equipment lost.
It's a blow for tourism for Samoans
I see a promotion in the Captain's future. It is New Zealand after all.
NO FUCKING SHIT
"- You take the rudder, darling."
"- No! I've had enough of the rudder. I've had it for at least an hour now."
"- But I had it for two hours before that, it's only fair."
"- You forget about last week!!"
Kinda hard to resurvey reefs without being somewhat in the vicinity
Concise, objective analysis of a maritime event, utilizing a lifetime of experience. This is why so many of us follow you Sal. Always appreciate your work. Thank you!
How could hydrographic survey ship hit a well-charted reef in calm weather, catch on fire and then sink? Fortunatly all Royal New Zealand navy personnell were rescued and safe !!!
They are not telling the true story
It can when piloted by an incompetent DEI hire. This is unprecedented...
There was Malfunction before it hit the reef and sank so it drifted onto the reef . End of the day best to wait for the result of the inquiry before passing Judgement. As a former N.Z Navy Seaman this is a major shock.
@@tonycoker6523 the malfunction happened long before the ship hit the reef lol. The promoting of an idiot.
Listen to Sal. It is not uncommon for ships to catch fire and sink after they are abandoned.
The question is should she have not given the order to abandon ship after it became obvious they were not getting the ship off the reef.
Tides are predictable. I can imagine the sea level going down, and the ship tilting more and more, until it slipped off the reef. Question is, how many people dies in that instance, in a useless attempt to save $125m.
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So a vessel that constitutes half the tonnage of the entire New Zealand navy is operating near reefs, some of them uncharted, and yet it runs aground. That is hard to explain.
-In the days of wooden sailing ships, someone would be at the bow of the ship throwing a line to measure the depth. Today they have depth gauges that work even better. And given the risky circumstances, why wasn't a small boat going ahead of this ship and radioing back the depth? There seems to be an incredible lack of foresight here.
rubbish Aotearoa is 26,000 tonnes, Canturbery 9000 tonnes, and each frigate about 3000 tonnes each
The ships mission was literally charting the reefs. She was equipped with all the best sensors to see and map the reefs. So it's not like she was operating blind.
"...half the tonnage of the entire New Zealand navy..." - I am STILL lying on the floor laughing hysterically!
@@andrewtaylor940 But the nature of her duties required operating near reefs and other underwater obstructions. So while she was well equipped to avoid the hazards, but probability of occurrence is a function of both proximity and time. It will be interesting to see what the investigation eventually concludes.
@@olpaint71 True to a point. But she just lost a Capital Ship of an ocean going navy, specifically equipped for and currently actively tasked with mapping those reefs. In what would appear to be calm clear weather conditions and a fairly minor sea state. Grounding the ship badly enough to not simply entrap the ship, but resulting in an all hands evacuation, uncontrollable fires, listing leading to the ships rollover and complete loss.
The only comparable incident I can think of is the 2018 loss of the Norwegian Navy frigate HNoMS Helge Ingstad in a collision with an oil tanker. If you ever find the final reports on that one the incident is horrifying in its root cause. Which was elevating diversity over actual merit or fitness for duty. In that case the entire bridge crew was an “all female, first of its kind” sort of deal. As the Norwegian Navy strove for gender parity in a job category that does not see a lot of female applicants. So any such applicants were taken and promoted to meet quotas, regardless of ability. Until they got them all on the same bridge… and a decision needed to be made. Here is the situation they faced. They were on an obvious collision course with the tanker. No question if they stayed on their plotted course they would collide. And the tanker could not avoid them. Their only option for turning in time would take them into an area of water that the rules said they should not go. Because depending on tides there was a risk of grounding. So their choices were “absolute 100% certainty of collision with another heavier vessel!” Or “possibility of grounding the ship”. Want to guess which one they went with? Because grounding the ship would look bad on their records. They apparently argued about this until they hit the tanker. Resulting in the sinking of 20% of the Norwegian Navy.
Yeah, we need to wait on the final reports on this one. But it’s pretty clear at a glance that there were some staggering levels of gross incompetence of leadership with this one. Because these aren’t 18th Century sailing vessels. And any modern military (that is not Russian) should be capable of sufficient damage control to avoid the loss of the ship. Short of hitting an undiscovered WW2 Sea Mine, there really isn’t any possibility here that doesn’t scream total incompetence.
Thanks for the video and hello from New Zealand 🇳🇿.
@sgtbrown4273 hope you enjoy your stay 👍
you must be proud!
I think she's earned an award for catastrophic ship loss.
I worked on RAINIER and FAIRWEATHER. both vessels 50 years old and slated to be replaced (i believe those are under construction). The survey launches are 29' aluminum prop driven with Cummins diesels. Full suite of electronics and even a head. Very capable boats. They go out a full 8 to 10 hour day because 50 gallons of diesel lasts when surveying.
One of my YT videos is on RAINIER as we depart San Francisco.
That's one ugly ship. It hit the reef out of sheer embarrassment.
The thing about owning such a ship is, anything you add to it will make it look better!
140 million ! they saw jacinta comming😂 did it come with beautiful rust streaks?
@@craigmooney3744 Something tells me the previous owner had lost interest, and left it to deteriorate at anchor without a crew for a substantial amount of time, or the new owner didn't care. As someone who spent four years as crew aboard a nuclear attack carrier, I find the latter scenario deeply disturbing.
The lesbian captain is no oil painting either.
@@craigmooney3744 when they sold it to the navy they sent them pictures of when it was new. The navy was so embarrassed when they got it they slapped cheap navy grey paint over them.
Good video. Just one point, HMNZS Aotearoa is the largest ship in the fleet
My apologies. And Canterbury is a bit larger by tonnage.
@@wgowshipping"HMNZS Aotearoa is significantly larger and designed for logistical support and Antarctic operations, while the HMNZS Canterbury is focused on amphibious and sealift capabilities"
Are the about the size of a manly ferry. Lol. The kiwis need to be investigated regarding their accents also. Shocking
@@patkelly6349funny coming from an Australian 😂
Well, it is now !
The first woman captain in New Zealand military was in charge of the ship
A great summary of the "sinking incident", Sal!
As a Kiwi, I find this very embarrassing for our dedicated and skilled navel defence force soldiers and for all of us from our island nation. There will be much comedic mileage gained from this debacle, with much pub banter, blame and hilarious stories thrown about for a long time to come. I hope there's a damn good reason for this mess occurring and that the truth will be revealed and we not be subjected to some nefarious political cover up like what the US seems to experience every day. Keep the blue side up, and the brown hard stuff away from the keel. David
I think you'll find it's spelt "naval", so you just embarrassed us again.
Navel, indeed.
It's not like cover-up is a principle foreign to NZ. Take it from someone born there.
And, while certain branches, like SAS, are good, I'll think you'll find that the NZDF is subject to the same varieties of incompetence that plague other armed forces. The thing that is truly lacking is the intestinal fortitude to own up to shortcomings. And that isn't only in the armed forces. NZ "exceptionalism" is to be found everywhere, but there doesn't seem to be much basis to take it seriously. If you can get people who simply know their jobs, you've scored big.
5 vessel Navy now 4
@@andysaunders3708It will be the Goggle intervention/interference of "auto correction spelling/grammar....." I find it a P.I.T.A a lot to be honest....
My uncle was a helmsman in the US Navy. He once got commended for refusing to obey a direct order from the OOD. If he had obeyed her(!), the ship would've grounded. Thankfully, the captain was quickly called to the bridge and countermanded her. If she had been instead, my uncle would've wound up in the brig and the Navy would've been down a ship.
My Dad was on two subs...once the guy responsible for the planes messed up and put them on the bottom. They got away without damage, and after they recovered, there was a beat down, all officially approved
@@revpgesqredux Sadly this captain isn't gonna get the blanket party she deserves.
"her"... no surprises there
👏👏👏❤️❤️awesome uncle! in the usa navy the code of conduct states you must disobey an order that would cause direct and obvious damage to ship or crew....under the constitution and navy protocol the order was "treasonous"
That's some fine surveying there, Lou.