@@MasterHellish-Gaming Yeah, I'm hooked again after watching that video. Haven't played TTD since my spelling bee days and I recently found out about OpenTTD. I'm as obsessed with it as I was, many years ago. Needed a little help with the path signals. Thanks for the content!!!!
@@MasterHellish-Gaming 3 years later, The Spiffing Brit brought me here too. Clearly you checked him out... and joined his "Breaking Open TTD WORLD RECORD With 100 Players Live" game/stream. That's what actually brought mehere! :D
There's a setting called 'Show path reservations for tracks' under Viewports in the settings menu that makes reserved tracks darker so you can see how it works. This helped me learn path signals when I first started playing OpenTTD and I still use it to debug signal errors when I make mistakes in placing signals.
Maybe my reaction is a little late, but I just wanted to say your videos are really good. The explanation is very clear and although I already knew a lot of the game, I still watched the beginner tutorials just because I like the videos.
I always come back every few months to check out one or two of these tutos to get my brain thinking about open ttd properly again when i get ready to play. it was a shame to see youtube had unsubbed me from you :(
I have never used any of the other signals except path signals since starting the game. So naturally I came to the internet to find out the use of the other types like the entry exit ones. Glad to know I don't have to change the signals in my train network.
Yep just keep using path signals. If you want to do more advanced things like priority merges and things like that then you'll need to use other signals
Very nice tutorial. Just one thing - at 9:06 you wouldn't want to place an exit signal on the outcoming track. That would cause the entry signal to be still open even when the entire station was occupied. You better use a regular one-way signal there.
You also would want to use exit signals instead of combo signals, since otherwise a train on the other side of the station would block exit, since the normal block signal doesn't work as exit signal, as for the problem @rainbowevil described, yes it would, but it is the limitation of the engine, it doesn't affect much however in this scenario since it's a terminus station and you want one train in the junction anyways. You could in theory fix it by spacing out the tracks and inserting signals in the crossovers, but you're better off using path signals at that point, unless you are doing a challenge of some kind.
I realize these videos are fairly old, but I think you should know that a) you can go into settings and enable construction while paused, and b) there's a tool in the signal construction window to switch signal types without manually destroying and replacing them.
Even though that is true, I like the method used in this video for the sake of a tutorial video, as it makes absolutely clear to what the ignal type changes.
Managing multiple trains was a living hell, using only block signals. Trains would go wherever they liked, reverse, etc., and I had to use waypoints, remove or relocate depots, etc. Path signals are a blessing!
I have question about 10:45 part. Wasn't the goal of entry/exit signal to prevent exactly this scenario? As far as I can see, this behaviour can lead to same deadlock as standard block signals. Or was it only done to demonstrate, that entry/exit are good for 1 way junctions and to use path in 2 way junctions?
I've watched about 4 different tutorials about signals so far. I still barely understand but this is the best one I've seen so thank you. Now just to see if I manage to get 2 of my trains nose to nose staring at each other pissed off tonight lol. Guess I should stop being lazy and make an up and down line 🤣
Oh GOD, thank you ever so much for this video!!! I watched it several times now and am looking into your other tutorials as well. Thanks to you I enjoy the game much more! Watching all those train going round and round is SO satisfying! :D
9:36 -Probably it's too late, but you don't need combo signals for the terminus station. You need 2-way exit signals near the each platforms, an entry signal on enter and simple signal on exit- Nevermind, you've fixed it in the tutorial #14. Anyway, thanks for the tutorials! I haven't used path signals much before watching this video. Now I'll try to experiment with them more.
I have replayed this I don't know how many times and checked other vids on the same subject but my trains kept going into a full station and blocking up the interchange. Finally realized that my trains, only 4 cars long, were going into a 5 bay station and the unoccupied end was telling the signals there was no train there. By replacing the stations, one section at at time, I finally found that a 2 bay station for a 1 engine 4 car consist solved the problem.
My thought exactly. The combo signals out of station should be both red because the exit signal is red. My only explanation is the other combo signal acts as another exit signal (if 90degree turns are enabled), so theoretically the train could go from one track of the station to another.
@@misium it’s exactly that - the empty station with a combo light is a valid exit point for all the entrance signals (apart from its own) since 90° turns are on, as we see at that very junction slightly later. These lights, unlike the path lights, don’t consider the routes trains will want to take, so even though it would make no sense for a train to exit one platform and enter the adjacent one, it is possible for a train, so it’s green.
When I started the same, I didn't even notice signals other than path signal. I didn't know that there's an expanding button on the signals window, and I only had the path signals. And I played for quite a while with no problems. I checked his video to see what the other signals were about (I didn't feel like reading their descriptions). They look like they might give some options in some rare cases, but I wonder if they are necessary at all. BTW, I feel like IRL signals are also working like path signals in OpenTTD. The signal aspect is determined with the path provided with the switches. If the provided path is crossing a higher priority line, they might be red, AKA the block of reserved by another train that is not in the block. And they are probably adjusted by the central computer. IRL signals have a yellow aspect, though. Because if the train has a high kinetic energy, it takes time to stop. Yellow can indicate an approaching red signal. It's not necessary in the game, because the trains almost instantly stop.
Sometime after this video was made, the developers took the decision to hide the other signals by default. You can still enable them with the button or the setting. To be honest, unless you're doing complicated things like priority mergers, you don't need the other signals
This reminds me of when I first discovered electrical wiring in Barotrauma, learning a complex system hidden in a game simple at first to a new plauyer
Your terminus signals are wrong here. Having the exit signal on the exit line of the track keeps the entrance signal green and the trains can enter the junction. You need to make the exit signal a regular block signal, and the combo signals at the station as 2 way exit signals
what happens when in 9:51 both platforms would be occupied (for example trains waiting for full load or stopped) and a third train wants to enter the station? then the entry-signal would allow the entry to the junction-block because the exit- signal is green. but since the third train wants to enter the station and not go to the exit line it will occupy and block the junction causing a clog at the station, right?, so this solution with entry-,exit- and combo, signal is not 100%safe? in this case im forced to use path-signals? using path-signals there could be a simple one-way-block-signal at the exit?
at timeframe 10:55 or so the diesel train enters the junction because the combo signal showed green from the side of the station. Not what I was expecting and not aligned with what Hellish told there
Correct. In this tutorial, I correct it from the simple on shown using path signals but if you don't want to use path signals it should be upgraded to block signal on the exit and exit signals on the platforms.
Good comment spinba11. MasterHellish, thank you for your great OpenTTD tutorial videos, really well done, and excellently explained. Pity for this single small error in this particular video. With the signals as you place them at 10:49, I am finding that when all station platforms are occupied the Entry Signal is still often green, which is doubtlessly because of the exit signal on the "out" line. As a result, incoming trains still often enter the junction block when all station platforms are already occupied. It seems to me that entry/exit signals are needed only where one incoming one-way line splits up into multiple outgoing lines, namely to ensure that the junction block is left clear in case all outgoing lines are currently occupied. However, it seems to me that the necessity of keeping the junction block clear does not arise for the case of multiple lines merging into one outgoing one-way line! In the case of a station like this, it seems to me it is no problem when any train that wants to leave the station can claim and occupy the junction block as soon as it wants (in fact I suspect this may actually be good for throughput because that way, the outgoing train can leave the station as soon as possible, thus freeing up a new platform for incoming trains).
10:04 Why didn't the the combo signals of all platforms turn red when the train left from the depot and went on that track? Since there is only one exit signal (for the section the new train just got one), and that one is red, why then did only one of the combo signals turn red?
10:20 The combo signals out of station should be both red because the exit signal is red. My only explanation is the other combo signal acts as another exit signal (if 90 degree turns are enabled), so theoretically the train could go from one track of the station to another, leading to the train leaving the station and blocking the junction - exactly what it was not supposed to do. This problem can be easily created even if you disable 90o turns, so it is a perfect example of how combo signals are problematic. Pity the author didn't pick up on this. The powerful path signals seem to be a perfect solution to this but are rather unrealistic, especially in the early game years.
Why at 17:56 exactly the train start to run (the one who turn on his left, to the top right corner of the screen) and not before? I see that it's only because the train under him left the block. But I don't get it, there were nothing in the block blocking his path, right?
Developers hid these in a relatively recent update, by default. You can click the button on the signal window to show the other signals or there's an option in the game settings.
When both platforms are taken then a 3rd train will enter the block as the single to exit is green. However, it will still head to the station and stop at the next set of signals blocking the station. You can fix this by changing the station signals to bi-directional exit signals and the exit line to a normal signal or use path signals
***** Thanks. I tend to use pre-signals at junctions and priority merges these days instead rather than at stations because those clogs can be a nightmare to clear. One wrong click, and it's choo choo bang.
+Gamer - Master Hellish i like the interface how do i get that i just started playing XD. i was looking at how to do this and just found your channel. if you have a link or a video about setting up the game so it looks good let me know thanks :) quick question @13:51 if have the right platform where trains can go through without stopping while your other trains uses the left platform how do i use signals to force my trains into one side so they load/unload on one side if possible. (I can potentially let my trains sort it out by letting them use any available platform but it just looks messy
From what I can take it looks like there's no reason to use Block Signals at all. Since path signals can do everything that block signals do and better. Is there any special circumstances that makes block signals more preferable?
Path signals are better and replace all the other signals in all standard ways. There are some advanced things like balancers and priority merges that use the other signals. If you want to see them check out the videos towards the end of my tutorial playlist
Well done, Hellish! Nice to see you updating your tutorials! I'm looking forward to future ones, maybe there are still some things I can learn. :) (Btw, I don't want to be the wise guy, but it's spelled "signals". It's hard to find the video if it's spelled the wrong way.) Edit: Thanks! :)
Its a very good tutorial. In the newest edition 12.2 I cant find the Exit and entry signals. Is there in the settings or something? I founded it in the advanced settings.
I have two questions here. One, is there any scenarios out where I would use the block and pre signals? Two, is there any way to prevent the train from turning around like it did in the vid.
There are for things like priority merges ect, but for most standard play the path signal is the best. And yes to a point... in the game settings make sure you have all the settings shown and then filter for 'reversing' you can stop them doing it at signals and at stations. I dont think this will stop them from doing it at the end of a line.
It depends on how reliable the vehicles are and what year you are playing within the game. Also how fast they are as the faster they are the longer they can go before they may need a service. One approach is to provide a depot before stations and before junctions. In addition on long segments of track extra depots. if you are getting too many breakdowns you will have to have a look at the service intervals setting in your game settings. this will allow the trains to seek out of depot more regularly and avoid breaking down.
So.. if all rail traffic is entering from one line and exiting in two or more lines, then use entry/exit signals. But in the case of junctions where trains can arrive from multiple directions and leave in multiple directions, use path signals?
I know about those, I've seen them in the text tutorial, but it is very confusing. But is there a way to do that with the entrance, exit and combo signals? I thought that combo signals work as entrance and exit combined, but they are pretty weird.
@@MasterHellish-Gaming thank you, for the reply 🙂 I found a thread on Steam, that actually had a link to your video, with instructions to unhide the extra ones. I then got a little further i. Your video and saw that I could get by with just the standard ones. 😛 A great video nonetheless. 😁
I got halfway through this video an started a new game to practice signals, but my version only shows pathway signals, no 2 way signals like you used for the laybys
@@MasterHellish-Gaming No button in my menu to show other types, just six options which are path signal (semaphore & electric) on way path signal (semaphore & electric) signal convert & dragging signal distance
@@MasterHellish-Gaming I’ll have a little ok, but I think I may have a understanding of the path signals from having a play around with them and your guides
Is there way to use these signals for trains going both ways on both tracks ? (With multiple junctions in between) - as in this video you are using up and down line
i know im super late to this vid. But i need help. I cant find the different types of signals. Only one way path and path signals. What am i doing wrong? Please help!
I rather use PBS in stations. So my signals are facing into station and it looks more realistick. (Btw. I am using CZTR+FIRS) In and Out I have on single PBS when it's "monorail" and when is there "dualrail" then I use Oneway PBS. And on rail I use regular signals. But IN signals I am using sometimes on Junction. So my train doesn't stop on Junction when he can't go out. Or sometimes on "Prestations" for Ro'Ro. Thanke you a lot 4 teaching me this game and giving me chance to invent own efficient system.
What screen resolution and/ or which version of the OPEN TTD are you using in this video? The pixels on my screen are way larger than in yours; it is difficult for me to tell one type of light from the other...
There's a little button to toggle which signals you can see. You can also change this in the game settings. However, the devs changed it so that they're hidden by default. You only need path signals to be able to do all basic and intermediate things. The other signals can be used for advanced things like priority mergers
Generally, that is correct. But there are some more complex junctions that work well if you use the other signals and also some older computers may struggle on larger maps with you just have path signals all over.
Awesome. Well I am new to the game. It is a steep learning curve isn't it? Crazy. So much I just don't understand yet. Thinking about making a max size map. Is it good to do this alone? Wanting a map I can just play forever.
The game only really works till about 2060 ish. After that, you might find that the vehicles available to you get limited. You then will need to look into mods, like the vac tube trains ect
openttd on steam doesnt have all the signals and also is missing some tools. What GRFs should i be looking at to get all the signals as you have in this video?
The Steam version is identical. In newer versions of the game, the developers have hidden the extra signals that most players don't utilize. These can be reactivated from the game settings. However, I would recommend primarily using path signals throughout.
They don't solve all problems but can be used in most normal situations. I have never found and evidence for path signals consuming more CPU it appears to be a myth.
They hid the other signals by default now. Start with just path signals. If you want the others you can press the button to show them or turn them on in the settings
this is 3 years late on a tutorial for a game that's 15 years old at this point not counting previous versions, but what's the point of the other 2 signals if path signals do the same thing but better?
For general use, there isn't really any point. However, there are some special situations where you need the other two. Things like priority merging (if you want to get that advanced)
My signalling is much better since I watched this video, but I still sometimes get gridlock on terminal stations. I'm occasionally getting trains entering junction areas when they have no platform to go to, and I'm not sure why
Hey you finished the Tutorial one day before my birthday (ingame time) ;-) I am disappointed now! Shame on You! But very good set of tutorials... you do explain it very understandable
U Are using PBS everywhere. Use IT ONLY around crossroads And junkctions because PBS signals Are 8times Hardware diffiult And if you Will have Big map big traffic you can see HW issues on weaker PC stations....
I saw your investment, and I must say, very good job :-) RAM efficiency is well known issue , and sorry for my confusing 8times words, RAM issue is well known on mobile Andoid Ios station, cell phones, tablets and netboxes etc. (dont forget that many kids an ppl are playing on another devices than PCs)... on standalone modern PC you definitively have no issue and you clearly proved it. I quess, lot of myths came from history when PBS were starting in first Beta release, causes troubles and struggles of the game.... nowdays it seems its only RAM issue, which in fact on tablets etc, couse huge performance drop (but its not cpu issue just RAM refresh)
I see you have money to burn here, but without the cheat you can save money by using the convert tool, top right of the signal building panel, or ctrl click on a built signal to cycle through the types.
for better station entry look at the beginning of "OpenTTD Tutorial #14 - Advanced Railways - Junctions and Depots" (ruclips.net/video/lDK4qPnSOjg/видео.html)
Honestly the biggest and most aggravating thing with this game is the railway lighting system. Its just a nightmare and a riddle to workout. The only down and it is a big down with TTD is the ridiculous signals system that is not easy to set up at all. It should be, logic, but nope it ain't 6-10 this game.
I do not know what version you have, but none of this works. Highly frustrating why they made the setting up of the signals the games biggest flaw. Not fun to be honest.
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This 7 yrs ago tutorial saves me from train crashes and dead locks.
Thank you.
There is a new one of this series tomorrow
The Spiffing Brit brought me here, and you helped me learn one of the most rewarding game ever. Thanks to both of you.
I will check out The Spiffing Brit. Thank you!
@@MasterHellish-Gaming Yeah, I'm hooked again after watching that video. Haven't played TTD since my spelling bee days and I recently found out about OpenTTD. I'm as obsessed with it as I was, many years ago.
Needed a little help with the path signals. Thanks for the content!!!!
@@MasterHellish-Gaming 3 years later, The Spiffing Brit brought me here too. Clearly you checked him out... and joined his "Breaking Open TTD WORLD RECORD With 100 Players Live" game/stream. That's what actually brought mehere! :D
There's a setting called 'Show path reservations for tracks' under Viewports in the settings menu that makes reserved tracks darker so you can see how it works. This helped me learn path signals when I first started playing OpenTTD and I still use it to debug signal errors when I make mistakes in placing signals.
Yes, there is but in the zBase it's very hard to see. It would be cool if there was a pack that added really easy to see paths
There is also aBase now. I am actually loving it.
channels like this rly are a gem, I've just been getting into the game recently and kept finding my train networks clogged, great vid. defo subbed.
Welcome aboard!
I've never realized the power of the Path Signal. Looks like I have some line upgrading to do. Great tutorials!!
Thank you
Maybe my reaction is a little late, but I just wanted to say your videos are really good. The explanation is very clear and although I already knew a lot of the game, I still watched the beginner tutorials just because I like the videos.
And my reaction to your reaction is even "laterererer". hehehe
Have a great day.
This is BY FAR the best explanation of Path Signals ever. Thank you!
Me: straight train line goes woosh
Average OpenTTD player: *has labyrinth of track network*
1 line per job is a good way to make a good network, epically when things get busy later on.
My track network is just a huge mess of lines and even redundant lines in some places
1:17 You didn't even check to see if people were in those buildings..... heartless monster!
Awesome work Sir, path signals FTW. Thank you.
This is the best guide I've been able to find and clarified a ton of questions I had about how signals work, thank you for uploading!
I'm glad you enjoyed it and found it useful
I always come back every few months to check out one or two of these tutos to get my brain thinking about open ttd properly again when i get ready to play. it was a shame to see youtube had unsubbed me from you :(
I have never used any of the other signals except path signals since starting the game. So naturally I came to the internet to find out the use of the other types like the entry exit ones. Glad to know I don't have to change the signals in my train network.
Yep just keep using path signals. If you want to do more advanced things like priority merges and things like that then you'll need to use other signals
Very nice tutorial. Just one thing - at 9:06 you wouldn't want to place an exit signal on the outcoming track. That would cause the entry signal to be still open even when the entire station was occupied. You better use a regular one-way signal there.
Exactly.
Would this not allow trains exiting the platform to block the junction though?
You also would want to use exit signals instead of combo signals, since otherwise a train on the other side of the station would block exit, since the normal block signal doesn't work as exit signal, as for the problem @rainbowevil described, yes it would, but it is the limitation of the engine, it doesn't affect much however in this scenario since it's a terminus station and you want one train in the junction anyways. You could in theory fix it by spacing out the tracks and inserting signals in the crossovers, but you're better off using path signals at that point, unless you are doing a challenge of some kind.
I realize these videos are fairly old, but I think you should know that a) you can go into settings and enable construction while paused, and b) there's a tool in the signal construction window to switch signal types without manually destroying and replacing them.
Actually clicking a signal with CTRL will switch its type.
Even though that is true, I like the method used in this video for the sake of a tutorial video, as it makes absolutely clear to what the ignal type changes.
Managing multiple trains was a living hell, using only block signals. Trains would go wherever they liked, reverse, etc., and I had to use waypoints, remove or relocate depots, etc. Path signals are a blessing!
Path signals are the best for all except the most advanced things like priority merges
great tutorial, but you left me with a doubt: is it worth at all using signals other than the path signals?
I have question about 10:45 part. Wasn't the goal of entry/exit signal to prevent exactly this scenario? As far as I can see, this behaviour can lead to same deadlock as standard block signals. Or was it only done to demonstrate, that entry/exit are good for 1 way junctions and to use path in 2 way junctions?
i have terrible memory, but i come back to your videos to refresh my signal knowledge every few years. thanks for making such a detailed explanation
I've watched about 4 different tutorials about signals so far. I still barely understand but this is the best one I've seen so thank you. Now just to see if I manage to get 2 of my trains nose to nose staring at each other pissed off tonight lol. Guess I should stop being lazy and make an up and down line 🤣
Up and down lines with path signals is the way to go
My trains keep getting stuck in junctions and this tut saved me. Peace be unto you!
Thank you. Enjoy!
Oh GOD, thank you ever so much for this video!!! I watched it several times now and am looking into your other tutorials as well. Thanks to you I enjoy the game much more! Watching all those train going round and round is SO satisfying! :D
OMG finally I get the signals thx man!!!
No problems
9:36 -Probably it's too late, but you don't need combo signals for the terminus station. You need 2-way exit signals near the each platforms, an entry signal on enter and simple signal on exit-
Nevermind, you've fixed it in the tutorial #14.
Anyway, thanks for the tutorials! I haven't used path signals much before watching this video. Now I'll try to experiment with them more.
I have replayed this I don't know how many times and checked other vids on the same subject but my trains kept going into a full station and blocking up the interchange. Finally realized that my trains, only 4 cars long, were going into a 5 bay station and the unoccupied end was telling the signals there was no train there. By replacing the stations, one section at at time, I finally found that a 2 bay station for a 1 engine 4 car consist solved the problem.
It is best to get stations the same or bigger than your trains and not to put singles on the ends of terminus stations into the junction block
10:50 Incoming trains can still block the junction. If the outbound track is free the entrance signal is green.
At 10:41 the upper combo signal is red but the lower one is green, why isn't it red as well? Isn't it "tied" to the same exit signal?
My thought exactly. The combo signals out of station should be both red because the exit signal is red.
My only explanation is the other combo signal acts as another exit signal (if 90degree turns are enabled), so theoretically the train could go from one track of the station to another.
@@misium it’s exactly that - the empty station with a combo light is a valid exit point for all the entrance signals (apart from its own) since 90° turns are on, as we see at that very junction slightly later. These lights, unlike the path lights, don’t consider the routes trains will want to take, so even though it would make no sense for a train to exit one platform and enter the adjacent one, it is possible for a train, so it’s green.
When I started the same, I didn't even notice signals other than path signal. I didn't know that there's an expanding button on the signals window, and I only had the path signals. And I played for quite a while with no problems.
I checked his video to see what the other signals were about (I didn't feel like reading their descriptions). They look like they might give some options in some rare cases, but I wonder if they are necessary at all.
BTW, I feel like IRL signals are also working like path signals in OpenTTD. The signal aspect is determined with the path provided with the switches. If the provided path is crossing a higher priority line, they might be red, AKA the block of reserved by another train that is not in the block. And they are probably adjusted by the central computer.
IRL signals have a yellow aspect, though. Because if the train has a high kinetic energy, it takes time to stop. Yellow can indicate an approaching red signal. It's not necessary in the game, because the trains almost instantly stop.
Sometime after this video was made, the developers took the decision to hide the other signals by default. You can still enable them with the button or the setting. To be honest, unless you're doing complicated things like priority mergers, you don't need the other signals
This reminds me of when I first discovered electrical wiring in Barotrauma, learning a complex system hidden in a game simple at first to a new plauyer
Ya, the basics of this game is easy but there is a lot to it if you dive in
more love for Barotrauma plz
Your terminus signals are wrong here. Having the exit signal on the exit line of the track keeps the entrance signal green and the trains can enter the junction. You need to make the exit signal a regular block signal, and the combo signals at the station as 2 way exit signals
Exactly.
what happens when in 9:51 both platforms would be occupied (for example trains waiting for full load or stopped) and a third train wants to enter the station? then the entry-signal would allow the entry to the junction-block because the exit- signal is green. but since the third train wants to enter the station and not go to the exit line it will occupy and block the junction causing a clog at the station, right?, so this solution with entry-,exit- and combo, signal is not 100%safe? in this case im forced to use path-signals? using path-signals there could be a simple one-way-block-signal at the exit?
btw: answer: look at the question by Rusty Walker (roughly2017)
at timeframe 10:55 or so the diesel train enters the junction because the combo signal showed green from the side of the station. Not what I was expecting and not aligned with what Hellish told there
So helpful!! Thank you 😊
Welcome
At 10:49 the exit signal should be a normal block signal, the combo signals should be exit signals.
Correct. In this tutorial, I correct it from the simple on shown using path signals but if you don't want to use path signals it should be upgraded to block signal on the exit and exit signals on the platforms.
You speak French
No sorry, a lot of the time i struggle with English
Good comment spinba11. MasterHellish, thank you for your great OpenTTD tutorial videos, really well done, and excellently explained. Pity for this single small error in this particular video. With the signals as you place them at 10:49, I am finding that when all station platforms are occupied the Entry Signal is still often green, which is doubtlessly because of the exit signal on the "out" line. As a result, incoming trains still often enter the junction block when all station platforms are already occupied.
It seems to me that entry/exit signals are needed only where one incoming one-way line splits up into multiple outgoing lines, namely to ensure that the junction block is left clear in case all outgoing lines are currently occupied. However, it seems to me that the necessity of keeping the junction block clear does not arise for the case of multiple lines merging into one outgoing one-way line! In the case of a station like this, it seems to me it is no problem when any train that wants to leave the station can claim and occupy the junction block as soon as it wants (in fact I suspect this may actually be good for throughput because that way, the outgoing train can leave the station as soon as possible, thus freeing up a new platform for incoming trains).
10:04 Why didn't the the combo signals of all platforms turn red when the train left from the depot and went on that track? Since there is only one exit signal (for the section the new train just got one), and that one is red, why then did only one of the combo signals turn red?
The best signal tutorial!
Yesterday I didn't know how to build but linear rails. Today I have learned more ways. Tomorrow I will probably mess up...
The best way to learn and have fun!
@@MasterHellish-Gaming FUN has a totally different meaning when playing Dwarf Fortress LOL
10:20 The combo signals out of station should be both red because the exit signal is red.
My only explanation is the other combo signal acts as another exit signal (if 90 degree turns are enabled), so theoretically the train could go from one track of the station to another, leading to the train leaving the station and blocking the junction - exactly what it was not supposed to do. This problem can be easily created even if you disable 90o turns, so it is a perfect example of how combo signals are problematic. Pity the author didn't pick up on this.
The powerful path signals seem to be a perfect solution to this but are rather unrealistic, especially in the early game years.
Why at 17:56 exactly the train start to run (the one who turn on his left, to the top right corner of the screen) and not before? I see that it's only because the train under him left the block. But I don't get it, there were nothing in the block blocking his path, right?
I dont have nearly as many signal options, is it a start date thing and you unlock them in certain year?
Developers hid these in a relatively recent update, by default. You can click the button on the signal window to show the other signals or there's an option in the game settings.
@@MasterHellish-Gaming Not only are your tutorials brilliantly helpful, but you're still responding to comments! Thank you so much for the help!
@9:55 pity you didn't show that with all trains in the station. I wanted to see if the entry stayed green because the exit line was clear.
When both platforms are taken then a 3rd train will enter the block as the single to exit is green. However, it will still head to the station and stop at the next set of signals blocking the station. You can fix this by changing the station signals to bi-directional exit signals and the exit line to a normal signal or use path signals
***** Thanks. I tend to use pre-signals at junctions and priority merges these days instead rather than at stations because those clogs can be a nightmare to clear. One wrong click, and it's choo choo bang.
Deffo. I will add your question in to the beginning of advance episode 4
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Look at the town "Bindington" At 15:31. Why is your method not working? (PS I tried that, and it reacted the same way as if with block signals)
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i like the interface how do i get that i just started playing XD. i was looking at how to do this and just found your channel. if you have a link or a video about setting up the game so it looks good let me know thanks :)
quick question @13:51 if have the right platform where trains can go through without stopping while your other trains uses the left platform how do i use signals to force my trains into one side so they load/unload on one side if possible. (I can potentially let my trains sort it out by letting them use any available platform but it just looks messy
From what I can take it looks like there's no reason to use Block Signals at all. Since path signals can do everything that block signals do and better.
Is there any special circumstances that makes block signals more preferable?
Path signals are better and replace all the other signals in all standard ways. There are some advanced things like balancers and priority merges that use the other signals. If you want to see them check out the videos towards the end of my tutorial playlist
great tutorial! But I want to know, in which cases do I use each of these signals? Send a save to Brazil!
Just use path signals. There are only a few advanced things like priority mergers where the other signals are required
Well done, Hellish! Nice to see you updating your tutorials! I'm looking forward to future ones, maybe there are still some things I can learn. :)
(Btw, I don't want to be the wise guy, but it's spelled "signals". It's hard to find the video if it's spelled the wrong way.)
Edit: Thanks! :)
Thank you, Yes, more updates and new videos coming soon
Its a very good tutorial. In the newest edition 12.2 I cant find the Exit and entry signals. Is there in the settings or something?
I founded it in the advanced settings.
I have two questions here. One, is there any scenarios out where I would use the block and pre signals? Two, is there any way to prevent the train from turning around like it did in the vid.
There are for things like priority merges ect, but for most standard play the path signal is the best. And yes to a point... in the game settings make sure you have all the settings shown and then filter for 'reversing' you can stop them doing it at signals and at stations. I dont think this will stop them from doing it at the end of a line.
Thanks!
Is this similar to signalling on the real rail network in UK?
Question? How many depots should you build per mile of track to avoid break downs? Dose the same apply to busses and good trucks?
It depends on how reliable the vehicles are and what year you are playing within the game. Also how fast they are as the faster they are the longer they can go before they may need a service. One approach is to provide a depot before stations and before junctions. In addition on long segments of track extra depots. if you are getting too many breakdowns you will have to have a look at the service intervals setting in your game settings. this will allow the trains to seek out of depot more regularly and avoid breaking down.
Except that trains completely refuse to visít the scheduled service...
Fantastic, Cool, I love it
Thank you
So.. if all rail traffic is entering from one line and exiting in two or more lines, then use entry/exit signals. But in the case of junctions where trains can arrive from multiple directions and leave in multiple directions, use path signals?
Why does your train network at 18:20 remind me of ants
Haha, yes. I guess my network is rather ant like
Awesome tutorial!
10:46 The train clogged the junction, how can you deal with that?
Use path signals and don't put a signal on the exit
I know about those, I've seen them in the text tutorial, but it is very confusing. But is there a way to do that with the entrance, exit and combo signals? I thought that combo signals work as entrance and exit combined, but they are pretty weird.
Which is good for two-way through stations? Entry/exist signal or the path signal?
Path signals will do the job the best for that.
The signals in my game are different.
Are the signals in the video from a mod?
Nope. The developers recently hid all the other signals apart from path signals. You can enable them again if you want to in the settings.
@@MasterHellish-Gaming thank you, for the reply 🙂
I found a thread on Steam, that actually had a link to your video, with instructions to unhide the extra ones.
I then got a little further i. Your video and saw that I could get by with just the standard ones. 😛
A great video nonetheless. 😁
-Did the they change the game or something because I only have 2 types of signals.-
Nevermind I found the option in the settings :)
There is also a button to toggle it on the signal window
I got halfway through this video an started a new game to practice signals, but my version only shows pathway signals, no 2 way signals like you used for the laybys
The other signals are now hidden by default. You can click the button in the signal window to show the other types
@@MasterHellish-Gaming No button in my menu to show other types, just six options which are path signal (semaphore & electric) on way path signal (semaphore & electric) signal convert & dragging signal distance
@@taker31698 sorry. Looks like they have removed that button. You will need to go into the settings. It's "show signal types" under Company
@@MasterHellish-Gaming I’ll have a little ok, but I think I may have a understanding of the path signals from having a play around with them and your guides
Really good tutorials. thumb up and sub!
Is there way to use these signals for trains going both ways on both tracks ? (With multiple junctions in between) - as in this video you are using up and down line
Yes. I have done this before but I have never found away to make it work really well yet
i know im super late to this vid. But i need help. I cant find the different types of signals. Only one way path and path signals. What am i doing wrong? Please help!
The they turned off the other signal types. You don't need them for 99% of stuff. You can turn them back on in the game settings
@@MasterHellish-Gaming Thanks, but I still get the same problem with the trains stopping in the stations
Deadlocking*
I rather use PBS in stations. So my signals are facing into station and it looks more realistick. (Btw. I am using CZTR+FIRS) In and Out I have on single PBS when it's "monorail" and when is there "dualrail" then I use Oneway PBS. And on rail I use regular signals. But IN signals I am using sometimes on Junction. So my train doesn't stop on Junction when he can't go out. Or sometimes on "Prestations" for Ro'Ro. Thanke you a lot 4 teaching me this game and giving me chance to invent own efficient system.
So that's why i lost 3 steam trains, the signals where all wrong. I'll have to go back and fix this,great tutorial.
Glad it helped.
What screen resolution and/ or which version of the OPEN TTD are you using in this video? The pixels on my screen are way larger than in yours; it is difficult for me to tell one type of light from the other...
I am not sure. I think this is before my 4k days so it's 1080. But I use the interface scaling in the options.
He's using zBase graphics.
What graphics pack is this? Looks pretty
What would you do if you have trains coming into the station from both sides of the station?
What NewGRF are you using?
In this... Only the zbase graphics. Nothing else
Is that the Zbase Graphics Set? or is that something else? That looks awesome
so uh. the only signals I can find in game are the path and one way path signals. idk why I cant find all these other signals
There's a little button to toggle which signals you can see. You can also change this in the game settings. However, the devs changed it so that they're hidden by default. You only need path signals to be able to do all basic and intermediate things. The other signals can be used for advanced things like priority mergers
Awesome!
Driving on the wrong side of the road messes with my head lol.
So there is really no point using anything other than path signals?
Generally, that is correct. But there are some more complex junctions that work well if you use the other signals and also some older computers may struggle on larger maps with you just have path signals all over.
Awesome.
Well I am new to the game. It is a steep learning curve isn't it? Crazy. So much I just don't understand yet.
Thinking about making a max size map. Is it good to do this alone? Wanting a map I can just play forever.
The game only really works till about 2060 ish. After that, you might find that the vehicles available to you get limited. You then will need to look into mods, like the vac tube trains ect
Found a way around that. Just turn on "Airports never expire" and "Vehicles never expire".
Very true. I play with the default settings so much i forget you can really mess with that game
openttd on steam doesnt have all the signals and also is missing some tools. What GRFs should i be looking at to get all the signals as you have in this video?
The Steam version is identical. In newer versions of the game, the developers have hidden the extra signals that most players don't utilize. These can be reactivated from the game settings. However, I would recommend primarily using path signals throughout.
@@MasterHellish-Gaming Thanks so much Master Hellish! Saw your performance on Spiffs Tournament, nicely done!
@@dimitardobrev3296 thank you
why do you need all other signals if path signals solved everything? the only reason i heard for not using path signals too much is CPU consumption
They don't solve all problems but can be used in most normal situations. I have never found and evidence for path signals consuming more CPU it appears to be a myth.
@@MasterHellish-Gaming what situation would require other signals?
Things like priority merges, more advanced stuff.
somehow, i don't have those signal types in the game, i only have path signals and one way path signals(semaphore) and same electric ones
They hid the other signals by default now. Start with just path signals. If you want the others you can press the button to show them or turn them on in the settings
this is 3 years late on a tutorial for a game that's 15 years old at this point not counting previous versions, but what's the point of the other 2 signals if path signals do the same thing but better?
For general use, there isn't really any point. However, there are some special situations where you need the other two. Things like priority merging (if you want to get that advanced)
super -clear!
Thanks
My signalling is much better since I watched this video, but I still sometimes get gridlock on terminal stations. I'm occasionally getting trains entering junction areas when they have no platform to go to, and I'm not sure why
Is it possible to put a thru station in a up and down rail?
So, from my understanding, there’s no reason to not use path signals?
this helps alot
Hey you finished the Tutorial one day before my birthday (ingame time) ;-) I am disappointed now! Shame on You! But very good set of tutorials... you do explain it very understandable
oh dear, We will have to keep an eye out for it in other videos. Thanks for the comment
U Are using PBS everywhere. Use IT ONLY around crossroads And junkctions because PBS signals Are 8times Hardware diffiult And if you Will have Big map big traffic you can see HW issues on weaker PC stations....
ruclips.net/video/HuKcpnNXLoQ/видео.html
I saw your investment, and I must say, very good job :-) RAM efficiency is well known issue , and sorry for my confusing 8times words, RAM issue is well known on mobile Andoid Ios station, cell phones, tablets and netboxes etc. (dont forget that many kids an ppl are playing on another devices than PCs)... on standalone modern PC you definitively have no issue and you clearly proved it.
I quess, lot of myths came from history when PBS were starting in first Beta release, causes troubles and struggles of the game.... nowdays it seems its only RAM issue, which in fact on tablets etc, couse huge performance drop (but its not cpu issue just RAM refresh)
I see you have money to burn here, but without the cheat you can save money by using the convert tool, top right of the signal building panel, or ctrl click on a built signal to cycle through the types.
Yes, for the purposes of the tutorial I cheated money in
I cant beleve I mastered Path Signals but could not Think up anything of Entry/exit signals.
Most of tutorials about signals are like 80% length about block signals just to tell you to use PBS instead xD
Are you british. The drive side of the trains is on the left.
Yes, I am. I usually use the left but I some times use right as I play with people from other countries.
u have the best tutorial thanks
Thank you
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read on web site that 1.8.0 release, they eliminated train signals
That was an April fool
should of looked at release date lol
F*cking with signal, i am an airport master
for better station entry look at the beginning of "OpenTTD Tutorial #14 - Advanced Railways - Junctions and Depots" (ruclips.net/video/lDK4qPnSOjg/видео.html)
Meeh , 90 degree turns is frustrating
You you like to disable them?
Honestly the biggest and most aggravating thing with this game is the railway lighting system. Its just a nightmare and a riddle to workout.
The only down and it is a big down with TTD is the ridiculous signals system that is not easy to set up at all. It should be, logic, but nope it ain't 6-10 this game.
If you are finding it challenging maybe try just use path signals. I know lot's of people love it, maybe it's just not for you.
mind blown lol
Do you need CPR?
I do not know what version you have, but none of this works. Highly frustrating why they made the setting up of the signals the games biggest flaw. Not fun to be honest.
If you are finding it challenging maybe try just use path signals. This tutorial is still relevant for the current version of the game.
"..but there is no train in thE junCTIOn..."
4/20 1980
This allows the train to enter through the backside. No thanks