Naomi Klein is a super clever lady. While she blames capitalism and mega corporations for the ruin of society, she totally ignores the Global Green Scare, totally ignores the biophysical limits of the earth, the population crisis and the overall impact of tyrannical technologies. Pathetic this first-world white distress in essence. Naomi Klein also enjoys wide array of institutional endowments and sells lots of books, for hapless denizens of the same society she pertains to.
Naomi Klein is a super clever lady. While she blames capitalism and mega corporations for the ruin of society, she totally ignores the Global Green Scare, totally ignores the biophysical limits of the earth, the population crisis and the overall impact of tyrannical technologies. Pathetic this first-world white distress in essence. Naomi Klein also enjoys wide array of institutional endowments and sells lots of books, for hapless denizens of the same society she pertains to.
At 1:41 Naomi Klein argues for a real left program that is "actually redistributive." Capitalism is already "redistributive." That is its essence. So having a real left program that is actually redistributive proposes a double redistribution -- a "doppelganger" of capitalism, if you will pardon the expression. What does capitalism redistribute? Disposable time that has been appropriated by capital in the form of surplus labor and realized in the form of surplus value. How should the left respond to this redistribution of disposable time? By taking back disposble time through the reduction and limitation of working time. It doesn't even have to all happen at once. The movement for the 10-hour day, the 8-hour day and the five-day workweek made great inroads into the power of capital. In the U.S. big capital has resisted the movement for shorter working time tooth and claw. Wonder why? Because the power of capital is contained in the ;disposable hours of work that it appropriates from labor. So calling for "redistribution" of this power is counterproductive. Karl Marx figured all this out a century and a half ago but it got distorted through the incomprehensions and agendas of his followers and sometimes even through his own tactical alliances.
Great conversation. Thanks to Haymarket! @lumpoflabor - Clever irony you found with "actually." Request: Please provide practical example for "Disposable time that has been appropriated by capital in the form of surplus labor and realized in the form of surplus value." Thanks so much!
@@cb7324 Thanks for your response, cb! The reference is to a section in Marx's Grundrisse where he followed closely the argument of an 1821 pamphlet, "The Source and Remedy of the National Difficulties," but gave a surprising new twist to the concept of "disposable time" that he quoted from the pamphlet. This all becomes so confounded complicated but the short version is that Marx became convinced that the road to freedom led through the reduction of working time. I try to unpack some of Marx's reasoning in a recent blog post, "Seeing the frowns on the jugglers and the clowns" econospeak.blogspot.com/2023/12/seeing-frowns-on-jugglers-and-clowns.html, but I have also been working through it in two journal articles and in a book proposal that is currently under review.
@@lumpoflabor Thank you for responding. I'm not surprised you're a writer. You certainly write well. (I edit) I know you'll succeed with your projects! Yes, to think that before the industrial revolution families spent so much more time together, telling their stories, weaving their crafts and tilling their soil, bartering with their communities, building relationships.
Naomi Klein is a super clever lady. While she blames capitalism and mega corporations for the ruin of society, she totally ignores the Global Green Scare, totally ignores the biophysical limits of the earth, the population crisis and the overall impact of tyrannical technologies. Pathetic this first-world white distress in essence. Naomi Klein also enjoys wide array of institutional endowments and sells lots of books, for hapless denizens of the same society she pertains to.
For Naomi Klein. I'm a great fan of yours but Cannot understand why you never fully deal, in depth, with the financial side of neoliberalism (The influence of Ayn Rand, the importance of the Powell Memorandum, The abrogation of the Glass-Steagal act, Alan Greenspan...). I continually educate people I run into, here in Belgium, where I live. But I think you could do it better.
The audio here is so distorted. Gosh, turn down your record levels. Sad that poor recording makes good content almost unlistenable. And the the author of "If We burn" sounds like he's in an echoe chamber with a microphone 3 or 4 feet away from his mouth. Get some technical help and guidance by a skilled audio recordist to improve your program. Good luck! For people like hearing problems like me, this is unintelligible. But if you'd used your microphones properly and set recording levels correctly, it could have been great.
I did not have a problem with this audio. Not all of us have access professional audio technicians. You admit you have hearing problems so why not turn on the subtitles which are provided for this disability. The discussion was grea.
If we burn is such an important book, I’ve given a hard cover copy to every activist I know since it came out. Doppelgänger is next on my list
What a wonderful podcast. Thoroughly enjoyed your points of view Naomi and Vincent.
Naomi Klein is a super clever lady. While she blames capitalism and mega corporations for the ruin of society, she totally ignores the Global Green Scare, totally ignores
the biophysical limits of the earth, the population crisis and the overall impact of tyrannical technologies. Pathetic this first-world white distress in essence. Naomi Klein also
enjoys wide array of institutional endowments and sells lots of books, for hapless denizens of the same society she pertains to.
two great minds fighting the good fight
Naomi Klein is a super clever lady. While she blames capitalism and mega corporations for the ruin of society, she totally ignores the Global Green Scare, totally ignores
the biophysical limits of the earth, the population crisis and the overall impact of tyrannical technologies. Pathetic this first-world white distress in essence. Naomi Klein also
enjoys wide array of institutional endowments and sells lots of books, for hapless denizens of the same society she pertains to.
At 1:41 Naomi Klein argues for a real left program that is "actually redistributive." Capitalism is already "redistributive." That is its essence. So having a real left program that is actually redistributive proposes a double redistribution -- a "doppelganger" of capitalism, if you will pardon the expression. What does capitalism redistribute? Disposable time that has been appropriated by capital in the form of surplus labor and realized in the form of surplus value. How should the left respond to this redistribution of disposable time? By taking back disposble time through the reduction and limitation of working time. It doesn't even have to all happen at once. The movement for the 10-hour day, the 8-hour day and the five-day workweek made great inroads into the power of capital.
In the U.S. big capital has resisted the movement for shorter working time tooth and claw. Wonder why? Because the power of capital is contained in the ;disposable hours of work that it appropriates from labor. So calling for "redistribution" of this power is counterproductive. Karl Marx figured all this out a century and a half ago but it got distorted through the incomprehensions and agendas of his followers and sometimes even through his own tactical alliances.
Great conversation. Thanks to Haymarket!
@lumpoflabor - Clever irony you found with "actually." Request: Please provide practical example for "Disposable time that has been appropriated by capital in the form of surplus labor and realized in the form of surplus value." Thanks so much!
@@cb7324 Thanks for your response, cb! The reference is to a section in Marx's Grundrisse where he followed closely the argument of an 1821 pamphlet, "The Source and Remedy of the National Difficulties," but gave a surprising new twist to the concept of "disposable time" that he quoted from the pamphlet. This all becomes so confounded complicated but the short version is that Marx became convinced that the road to freedom led through the reduction of working time. I try to unpack some of Marx's reasoning in a recent blog post, "Seeing the frowns on the jugglers and the clowns" econospeak.blogspot.com/2023/12/seeing-frowns-on-jugglers-and-clowns.html, but I have also been working through it in two journal articles and in a book proposal that is currently under review.
@@lumpoflabor Thank you for responding. I'm not surprised you're a writer. You certainly write well. (I edit) I know you'll succeed with your projects! Yes, to think that before the industrial revolution families spent so much more time together, telling their stories, weaving their crafts and tilling their soil, bartering with their communities, building relationships.
Naomi Klein is a super clever lady. While she blames capitalism and mega corporations for the ruin of society, she totally ignores the Global Green Scare, totally ignores
the biophysical limits of the earth, the population crisis and the overall impact of tyrannical technologies. Pathetic this first-world white distress in essence. Naomi Klein also
enjoys wide array of institutional endowments and sells lots of books, for hapless denizens of the same society she pertains to.
For Naomi Klein. I'm a great fan of yours but Cannot understand why you never fully deal, in depth, with the financial side of neoliberalism (The influence of Ayn Rand, the importance of the Powell Memorandum, The abrogation of the Glass-Steagal act, Alan Greenspan...). I continually educate people I run into, here in Belgium, where I live. But I think you could do it better.
The audio here is so distorted. Gosh, turn down your record levels. Sad that poor recording makes good content almost unlistenable. And the the author of "If We burn" sounds like he's in an echoe chamber with a microphone 3 or 4 feet away from his mouth. Get some technical help and guidance by a skilled audio recordist to improve your program. Good luck! For people like hearing problems like me, this is unintelligible. But if you'd used your microphones properly and set recording levels correctly, it could have been great.
I did not have a problem with this audio. Not all of us have access professional audio technicians. You admit you have hearing problems so why not turn on the subtitles which are provided for this disability. The discussion was grea.
Sounds fine to me