American Lion: Pleistocene Apex Predator

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  • Опубликовано: 15 авг 2020
  • The American lion (Panthera atrox) was one of the largest Felids to have ever lived. A close relative of the Eurasian Cave Lion, P. atrox measured up to 2.1m long not including the tail and weighed in excess of 350kg. The animal was a major predator of the Pleistocene Megafauna of the Americas, only becoming extinct roughly 11,000 years ago.
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  • @anthroposlogica9379
    @anthroposlogica9379 3 года назад +185

    I used to volunteer at the tar pits before working there and I remember how overwhelming it was to hold atrox skulls in the lab. Dr Polaris thank you!

    • @dr.polaris6423
      @dr.polaris6423  3 года назад +40

      Must have been an incredible experience!

    • @anthroposlogica9379
      @anthroposlogica9379 3 года назад +2

      @@SepiaChild yes

    • @anthroposlogica9379
      @anthroposlogica9379 3 года назад +1

      @@SepiaChild what about it

    • @anthroposlogica9379
      @anthroposlogica9379 3 года назад

      @@SepiaChild yes sir, we just recently learned they arent wolves at all!

    • @anthroposlogica9379
      @anthroposlogica9379 3 года назад +12

      @SOVEREIGN SUPREME well from the ones we find at the labrea tar pits They ran genetic tests on them and determined they're related to Panthera spalea cave lions, and that atrox may have evolved from isolated groups of spalea in the Americas. But I've heard arguments from other sites arguing for Giant Jaguar, and also neither Jaguar or lion but a unique Panterine that lived in the Americas related to both Jaguars and Lions as it's a panther...a sort of in between species or Run away lineage we've never seen aside from the atrox

  • @PlainsPup
    @PlainsPup 2 года назад +41

    Fun fact: The “Blue Babe” bison specimen not only turned bluish due to vivianite in natural mummification, it was also named after the mythical Paul Bunyan’s ox.

    • @shelbylynn9
      @shelbylynn9 Год назад +3

      That’s so cool! I figured it had something to do with Paul Bunyan at first, and then I saw that the specimen was ACTUALLY BLUE! Incredible.

  • @dylangeltzeiler946
    @dylangeltzeiler946 3 года назад +66

    I’ve heard about this prehistoric Lion from North America. It’s twice the size of the Modern African & Asiatic Lions. I even saw some appear on most Documentaries.

    • @21LAZgoo
      @21LAZgoo 2 года назад +7

      yeah man, the biggest ones could reach 900 pounds which is twice the weight of a modern african/asiatic lion
      edited this to say the largest ones were around 830 which still is twice as much as some modern lions, i shouldnt have gotten info from boneclones that said they could weigh upto 900 without any solid evidence

    • @indinsh5075
      @indinsh5075 Год назад +1

      @@21LAZgoo where ever they existed and now are extinct due to humans that country doesn't deserve lions

    • @21LAZgoo
      @21LAZgoo Год назад +2

      @@indinsh5075 humans aren’t they reason they died out, humans themselves nearly died out from the mass extinction event that happened

    • @indinsh5075
      @indinsh5075 Год назад +1

      @@21LAZgoo did you watch the video humans caused the extinction of most Eurasian lions except the populations in india in the 1800s including the ones in eaurope proves they dont deserve these magnificent beasts

    • @21LAZgoo
      @21LAZgoo Год назад +2

      @@indinsh5075 oh you are talking about recently like only 200 years ago. for that yes i think humans are the reason those modern indian lions have died out. but these prehistoric cave lions didnt die out because of us, what killed them off nearly killed us off too

  • @jaydubya3698
    @jaydubya3698 3 года назад +66

    When you visit the La Brea tar pits in LA, the two most intimidating skeletons on view IMO are those of the American Lion and the Short-faced Bear. Sure, the mammoth skeletons are impressive because of their size, but they wouldn't have been trying to eat you. Not so with these two. When stand next to the lion and bear remains and look them in the eye, you realize that they were no joke and that if you were caught out in the open with nothing to protect you, well....good luck.

    • @21LAZgoo
      @21LAZgoo 2 года назад +4

      smilodon was pretty deadly too, despite being less in length and shoulder height than the american lion, it didnt weigh that much less than the american lion because of fatalis's bones being a tad bit more robust

    • @dr.floridaman4805
      @dr.floridaman4805 2 года назад

      Just stand on the other side of a tar pit. Taunting. Dumb carnivores. Lmao

    • @FGKing-gc3xn
      @FGKing-gc3xn 2 года назад +2

      these mufucking lions finna catch these mfking hand..run the fade on these lil kitty cats ong

    • @vaughn-chemoody3340
      @vaughn-chemoody3340 2 года назад

      @@FGKing-gc3xn I'd like to watch you take one on. Preferably one pissed off. Best of luck 🤞.

  • @framerofworlds9984
    @framerofworlds9984 2 года назад +5

    Short-Faced bear: I don't need to be a dominant predator, I just need to be able to punk dominant predators and take their food.

  • @teleriferchnyfain
    @teleriferchnyfain 3 года назад +38

    I’ve always preferred tigers for some reason but big cats in general are cool. Including the prehistoric ones

  • @fizzyegg
    @fizzyegg 3 года назад +29

    Extremely well made!
    Loving this channel so far, keep doing what you do best my dude.

    • @dr.polaris6423
      @dr.polaris6423  3 года назад +5

      Thanks, I really appreciate the support :)

    • @pedrocampos1787
      @pedrocampos1787 3 года назад +1

      Hey cool?

    • @johncrute27
      @johncrute27 Год назад

      @@dr.polaris6423 there was a terrible war of ⚡panthera vs thundera ⚡

    • @johncrute27
      @johncrute27 Год назад

      @@dr.polaris6423 people are scared to mention panthera without mentioning its war with thundera

  • @extramayonnaise9544
    @extramayonnaise9544 3 года назад +39

    I just recently discovered this channel and it’s really interesting and great! Keep up the good work my dude

    • @dr.polaris6423
      @dr.polaris6423  3 года назад +7

      Thank you so much!

    • @pedrocampos691
      @pedrocampos691 2 года назад

      Hey cool.

    • @johncrute27
      @johncrute27 Год назад

      @@dr.polaris6423 have you np fear haven't you heard of the war of ⚡panthera vs thundera⚡

    • @johncrute27
      @johncrute27 Год назад

      @@dr.polaris6423 have you no fear haven't you heard of the war of ⚡panthera vs thundera⚡

  • @daniell1483
    @daniell1483 2 года назад +8

    The big cats are such a fascinating group of animals. Their origins clouded in mystery, and yet everywhere they go they are one of the top predators, if not apex predator outright. Living in the US, it is interesting to know that the biggest lion known once lived where I do now. How I wish they had survived to the modern-day, it would be amazing to see them in action.

  • @mudshovel289
    @mudshovel289 3 года назад +34

    Imagine being bigger than tigers AND living in groups. They need to clone this and the Cave Lion.

    • @justarandomperson6401
      @justarandomperson6401 3 года назад +2

      @@SepiaChild heavier but the amercan lion was taller

    • @justarandomperson6401
      @justarandomperson6401 3 года назад

      @@SepiaChild no just a tiny bit taller but lighter

    • @justarandomperson6401
      @justarandomperson6401 3 года назад

      @@SepiaChild yea

    • @gamerbuckley1014
      @gamerbuckley1014 3 года назад +10

      @@SepiaChild American lion was the biggest cat in North America smiladon populator only lived in South America

    • @gamerbuckley1014
      @gamerbuckley1014 3 года назад +9

      @@SepiaChild that doesn’t have to do anything with the size of the animal and the tar pits where mostly surrounded by forest American lion mostly lived on the plains

  • @mmsizzlak3726
    @mmsizzlak3726 2 года назад +4

    This cat is the cat that holds the greatest mystique to me... Vastly interesting with a size equally as massive... I'm glad they're beginning to be focused on more in recent times due to the internet... Used to drive me--the average online researcher--not being able to get ahold of substantial information on the American lion the way other paleo cats' etymologies & their wealth of history have been... and it's become way more interesting with the newer size estimates making them possibly the biggest to ever have lived

  • @canis2020
    @canis2020 3 года назад +24

    Another one in the bag. Well researched, and read. Here's to many many more.

  • @Albukhshi
    @Albukhshi 3 года назад +11

    Seriously, someone's got to get on top of cloning these animals back!

  • @TheBlkcheetah
    @TheBlkcheetah 2 года назад +3

    Cloning should be saved for those animals where human influences are guaranteed for the extinction or near extinction of those animals

  • @odd-eyesdragoon1024
    @odd-eyesdragoon1024 Год назад +3

    My favorite prehistoric cat.

  • @tyrannotherium7873
    @tyrannotherium7873 3 года назад +50

    The American lion was actually a really rare animal because they lived in the plains of the North America California sabertooth were very common in the tar pits because the tar pits were in the forest and the saber tooth’s lived in the forests as a matter of fact the American lions hunted bison horses and other grassland animals

    • @tyrannotherium7873
      @tyrannotherium7873 3 года назад +13

      Well the lion lived in the plains of California and the sabertooth slid in the forests and the tar pits were in the forests

    • @Jonas-jx3kw
      @Jonas-jx3kw 3 года назад +3

      @Tell0 64 - Deactivated like it or not it's facts

    • @justarandomperson6401
      @justarandomperson6401 3 года назад +11

      first of all of all they lived in different areas they are both cats so one wouldn't have higher intelligence, third of all the smilodon fatalis was NOT the biggest still don't know why people keep comparing a small saber tooth to a giant cat despite having a bigger subspecies like smilodon populator. fourth of all the smilodon populator was the about same size but a bit shorter and much heavier of the American lion and was built to take down huge prey like huge sloths and mammoths and having a bear-like build and huge fangs it would have been superior but one weakness is that the fangs would break but why would the saber tooth had such fangs on both genders is probably not for show but for piercing thick prey animals and precision cutting of the animal's throat. And last of all the American lion was not a lion in fact but more related to jaguars.

    • @vojtechpetrak2739
      @vojtechpetrak2739 3 года назад +21

      @@justarandomperson6401 According to the latest studies, the American lion is a species of cave lion and honestly cats are not less intelligent than dogs, they just behave differently because they hunt differently, but that doesn't mean they are less intelligent

    • @carabidus
      @carabidus 3 года назад +8

      @Tell0 64 - Deactivated First of all, who's "we"? Secondly, please define "intelligence" in animals and cite peer-reviewed sources for your assertion pertaining to canid > felid "intelligence"?

  • @issizplays2187
    @issizplays2187 2 года назад +4

    My favorite prehistoric mammal. I can`t imagine how beautiful this giant cat would be...

    • @rell4219
      @rell4219 Год назад

      If you’ve seen A Liger, you’ve seen one since that’s pretty much what they are. They have the skulls of tigers, lacking mane, but also the size only the breeding of A make Lion + Female tiger can achieve

  • @vineetkaddu1214
    @vineetkaddu1214 3 года назад +3

    Cool video as always! Big cats are my favourite. May I know what music you are using here? I like it quite a bit

  • @tyrannotherium7873
    @tyrannotherium7873 3 года назад +24

    It’s been implied that American lions may have hunted in smaller prides

    • @tyrannotherium7873
      @tyrannotherium7873 3 года назад +2

      I found a interview paper that said that it was a lien after all

    • @tyrannotherium7873
      @tyrannotherium7873 3 года назад +1

      ruclips.net/video/g1Q24pMayLw/видео.html

    • @johnhouston6133
      @johnhouston6133 3 года назад +4

      Ryan Pendzik 97 THEY HUNTED IN LARGE PRIDES .JUST LIKE THE AFRICAN LION PANTHERA LEO THEY ARE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THEM THE AFRICAN LION EVOLVED 3.4 MILLION YEARS AGO JUST BEFORE THE LAST GREAT ICE AGE .AS SOME CALL IT I DON'T. I KNOW THEY WILL BE ANOTHER'S. ITS NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN. THIS IS EARTH'S NATIONAL CYCLE. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE THE DAYS OF THE DINOSAURS. THIS IS HOW ANIMALS MIGRATE FROM ONE CONTINENT TO ANOTHER. WHEN THEY WALK OVER ICE BRIDES THEN THEY MELTE. AND THE ANIMALS EVOLVE. AND ADAPT TO THE ENVIRONMENT. AND THIS IS HOW THE ANIMALS HELP THE ECOSYSTEMS. IT' HAS ALWAYS BEEN THIS WAY AS FAR AS WE KNOW.

    • @tyrannotherium7873
      @tyrannotherium7873 3 года назад +1

      Again we don’t know

    • @johnhouston6133
      @johnhouston6133 3 года назад

      @Bears Dominate whoever you are whatever you have to say I could care less bears dominate get for real

  • @xenoidaltu601
    @xenoidaltu601 2 года назад +9

    08:14
    Were they implying the "South American" Panthera Atrox were orange with cheetah-like spots?
    I personally don't think that painting even represents a pantherine.
    My guess is that it represents an unknown species related to the Puma Concolor.
    Puma cubs have spots similar to those in Cheetahs. Cheetahs and Pumas are related. Having spots as babies is ancestral..

    • @21LAZgoo
      @21LAZgoo 2 года назад

      I heard apparently that the american cheetah was some sort of genetic mistake or something like that

    • @ashwinvk4124
      @ashwinvk4124 2 года назад +1

      But the bones and the DNA don't relate it to the Puma

  • @cosmo6122
    @cosmo6122 3 месяца назад

    I love this channel!!

  • @60sfoley
    @60sfoley 3 года назад +3

    Fascinating and detailed, thnak you for the great content.

  • @indinsh5075
    @indinsh5075 Год назад +1

    where ever lions are extinct due to people that country doesn't deserve these magnificent beasts

  • @thedarkmasterthedarkmaster
    @thedarkmasterthedarkmaster 3 года назад +12

    Amazing video man, really well done.
    You seem to be doing very well

    • @dr.polaris6423
      @dr.polaris6423  3 года назад +4

      Ah thank you so much!

    • @thedarkmasterthedarkmaster
      @thedarkmasterthedarkmaster 3 года назад +4

      @@dr.polaris6423 Yeah you're doing really good man, avoiding copy right claims and other bad things

    • @johncrute27
      @johncrute27 Год назад

      @@dr.polaris6423 you dare mention pathera now you'll have to deal with the living relatives of his enemy thundera

    • @johncrute27
      @johncrute27 Год назад

      @@dr.polaris6423 be afraid be very afraid of the ultimate vicious power of thundera

    • @johncrute27
      @johncrute27 Год назад

      @@dr.polaris6423 the family of thundera are coming for you oh the horrible carnage their going to bring. The only escape is in your basement stay their till the horrible banging and terrible horror stops though it may never stop inthis case there noting more I can do good luck

  • @fanaticbuster8856
    @fanaticbuster8856 3 года назад +6

    Are there any paintings about Smilodons, Ground Sloths and Short Faced Bears?

    • @jrodowens
      @jrodowens 3 года назад +6

      Recently a colossal site of Ice Age wall rock art from Colombia (S. America) has been announced, with claims of megafauna representations, including animals not previously seen depicted in ancient art, ever. This is said to include giant ground sloths, amongst others.
      * ... most American extinct megafauna does not possess a rich or even EXISTING paleolithic artistic representation, as much of it does in Eurasia and - possibly, though far less - Australia.
      This site(s) probably goes a long way toward making it so (fingers crossed)

    • @J242D
      @J242D 3 года назад +1

      @@jrodowens do u have a link to this anywhere ?

  • @tommyblansett9254
    @tommyblansett9254 2 года назад +1

    Some cave paintings show European Cave Lion had stripes on Cave Lions with belly hair like Asiatic lion.

  • @culbinator
    @culbinator 2 года назад

    I’ve fast become a big fan of Dr Polaris.

  • @donhillsmanii5906
    @donhillsmanii5906 2 года назад

    Great video glad I subscribed

  • @juliankniffin799
    @juliankniffin799 3 года назад +7

    Vary good content my dude,keep the work up :>

  • @batspidey7611
    @batspidey7611 3 года назад +7

    My friend Ryan Pendzik will be happy you made a video about the American lion.

    • @dr.polaris6423
      @dr.polaris6423  3 года назад +4

      Glad to hear it!

    • @tyrannotherium7873
      @tyrannotherium7873 3 года назад +3

      Thanks

    • @chancegivens9390
      @chancegivens9390 3 года назад +4

      @@dr.polaris6423 hey I wanted to ask you you think you could do a video on Smilodon it's one of my favorites unless you've already done it before

    • @dr.polaris6423
      @dr.polaris6423  3 года назад +4

      @@chancegivens9390 Hey there. I may cover the Machairodontines as a whole in a future video, which would of course include Smilodon.

    • @chancegivens9390
      @chancegivens9390 3 года назад +2

      @@dr.polaris6423 sounds great I'll look forward to it

  • @tomrowe6432
    @tomrowe6432 9 месяцев назад

    Really great video thank you Dr Polarise. In your opinion, if American lion and cave lion populations had survived to today would we consider them to be separate species to the African and Asiatic Lions or would we we consider them to be subspecies like we do with various forms of tiger and leopard who vary in morphology (including size) and habitat?

    • @Pistolita221
      @Pistolita221 9 месяцев назад

      I would think the American lion was fairly far removed from even cave lion populations, especially when they reached South America. I call it panthera atrox. I believe they were generally 100lb larger, and more sexually dysmorphic than all other subspecies, and likely had a different social structure. It was also more geographically separated by the laurentide ice sheet, too.

  • @shafqatishan437
    @shafqatishan437 2 года назад +4

    It's Panthera atrox, not leo atrox. They're officially separate species

  • @animeAJproductions
    @animeAJproductions 3 года назад +3

    The fact that T-Rex hunted other dinosaurs is a significant proof it contributed to the extinction of all dinosaurs.

    • @thedukeofchutney468
      @thedukeofchutney468 3 года назад +5

      Lol! I get where you’re coming from, but humans were intelligent enough to actually try to wipe the megafauna out. I mean it makes sense if there were monsters like short faced bears and giant lions running around stealing my tribes kills and hunting us I would be inclined to drive them to extinction. That being said I tend to believe that humans were more the straw that broke the camels back than the sole cause of the recent megafaunal extinction.

    • @ldmshamli3859
      @ldmshamli3859 2 года назад +1

      T rex have caused extinction of dinosaurs in north america just like humans have did it to pleistocene megafauna because t rex was native to asia and humans were native to africa
      Source:www.livescience.com/53877-t-rex-was-invasive-species.html

  • @Aridzonan13
    @Aridzonan13 3 года назад +1

    Could you do a video on "Machairodus lahayishupup"..

  • @al20o33
    @al20o33 3 года назад +8

    It is so awful that we humans have hunted to extinction so many beautiful big cats and other unbelievable animals across the globe [white rhinos and chinese tigers]. And, we are still doing this today for ridiculous purposes like Chinese medicine [even now jaguars in S. America] or items that we really don't need like whale oil or whale/dolphin meat. We will never learn.

    • @21LAZgoo
      @21LAZgoo 2 года назад

      well, the thing about humans causing the extinction of the megafauna is that they would have managed to wipe out over 100+ species of large and dangerous mammals in less than 1000 years and that equates to over billions of animals, a couple centuries before to around the same time before the first huge spike in megafaunal extinctions happened, the human population crashed a couple centuries before to around the same time the huge spikes in megafaunal extinctions started. Some of the human groups at the time, one example being the clovis people got wiped out completely as there is zero evidence for them existing after 12900 years, there were some other groups of humans that survived because they had to do major settlement reorganizations

    • @luisvelez1952
      @luisvelez1952 2 года назад +3

      I do not think that Humanity was responsible for the extinction of Ice Age animals.

  • @th3falleng0d69
    @th3falleng0d69 3 года назад +7

    Awesome video as always 👍. Would love some videos on more odd ball mammal linages of the past.

    • @dr.polaris6423
      @dr.polaris6423  3 года назад +5

      Your in luck as I'm planning on covering many more early mammal lineages in future, especially those of the Paleocene and Eocene (such as Pantodonts and Mesonychids).

    • @th3falleng0d69
      @th3falleng0d69 3 года назад +2

      @@dr.polaris6423 If I could love a comment like Facebook I would lol

  • @peehole82
    @peehole82 3 года назад +2

    6:07 he really did it to em

  • @tyrannotherium7873
    @tyrannotherium7873 2 года назад +1

    Blue babes killer is actually not the American lion it’s actually the cave lion because we now know that cave Lions lived in the Yukon and then they headed into the United States and then evolved into the American lion

  • @dethofasalesmanhoneyboi5577
    @dethofasalesmanhoneyboi5577 3 года назад

    What’s the pic of people diving an underwater cave have to do with tigers lining their dens with grass?

  • @NeverGiveUp-yt5nl
    @NeverGiveUp-yt5nl 3 года назад +2

    From what I've been seeing these North American cave Lions didn't have a mane? Is that correct? If they did have a mane they would have looked even more beautiful.

  • @czatron
    @czatron 3 года назад +1

    You know that la brea tar pits was used as a waste disposal by humans of that time, I’m talking natural waste like bones and meat. it was a way to get rid of predators that hunted our kind, in order to either attract or repel the scent of Food , funny cuz it would attract many predators specifically dire wolfs, and there’s more than just “fossils” in the LA tar pits, I’m a local and anyone is able to visit since it’s a free public museum/park.

  • @al20o33
    @al20o33 3 года назад +1

    why did manes develope?

  • @AdamosDad
    @AdamosDad 3 года назад

    Any connection to modern American lions Felis concolor, Mexican lion, Puma concolor, catamount, cougar, mountain lion?

    • @fredbloggs8072
      @fredbloggs8072 2 года назад

      None of the extant (living) big cats in north/central/south America are true lions, including the miss-named mountain lion, which is in fact a cougar. Early settlers wrongly called it a lion & the name stuck.

  • @tyrannotherium7873
    @tyrannotherium7873 8 месяцев назад

    So 256 kg is much bigger than a the largest male lion in the wild, which would be around 550 pounds in the in the in the Okavango delta and the Ngorongoro lions however, American lions larger individuals can be around 800 to 900 and perhaps even 1000 pound range but what I find very weird is that you said that Smilodon was 280 kg or something but the American lion is larger and heavier than a Smilodon fatalis

  • @tm43977
    @tm43977 2 года назад +2

    American lion The king of the Pleistocene Megafauna

    • @21LAZgoo
      @21LAZgoo 2 года назад

      that would be that one species of mammoth that was over 14 feet tall, also do you mean the king of cats of the pleistocene, or the king of all carnivores of the pleistocene

    • @EJINSANE
      @EJINSANE Год назад

      @@21LAZgoo Paleoxodon

    • @tusker9959
      @tusker9959 Год назад

      ​@@21LAZgoosteppe mammoth

  • @deadpoolrlz9685
    @deadpoolrlz9685 3 года назад +5

    my favorite extinct lion

    • @jross9553
      @jross9553 3 года назад +2

      deadpoolrlz96 it is not a true lion but is related to modern lions

    • @beastmaster0934
      @beastmaster0934 3 года назад +2

      James Smilus
      Yes, but they aren’t TRUE lions, just a closely related species.

    • @runjaguar5509
      @runjaguar5509 3 года назад +2

      I disagree they are true lion In my opinion American cheetah are cougars I know they are cougar they have charatestic like cheetah

    • @thedukeofchutney468
      @thedukeofchutney468 3 года назад +4

      @@beastmaster0934 No they are true Lions to the degree that scientists actually call them such in peer reviewed studies. The problem is we now use the term “lion” to only refer to “panthera leo” because it is the only lion existing now. When you’re dealing with extinct species you have to change you’re terminology.
      Take Neanderthals and modern humans for example. Usually when we use the term “human” we only use the term to mean our species Homo sapiens. However, when we use the term “human” in a paleontological context it gains a broader meaning that includes a different, but closely related species: Neanderthals (homo neandertalensis).
      With lions it’s the same way. Speaking colloquially the word “lion” is only used to refer to the modern lion, however when dealing with two extremely close species the colloquial term must be expanded. Therefore scientists will call all three species lions, but will refer to them as the American, Cave, and Modern lions respectively. All are “lions” but as that is a broad unscientific term then it makes sense to make destructions of what kind of lions they are.
      Attached are the most recent scientific studies on the evolution lions using genetics as well as pure paleontology. The first was published a little over a year ago in of in November of 2019 the other was is dated May of 2020. Through out both studies you’ll see the scientists using the language I described above; calling all thee species “lions” but drawing destinations between them and modern lions. As a side note there is also ZERO evidence given to say that the American lion (or any lion) is more closely related to the jaguar. The study:
      2019 Study: www.researchgate.net/publication/24216045
      2020 Study: www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/04/28/1919423117

  • @tommyblansett9254
    @tommyblansett9254 3 года назад +4

    There are cave painting depicting what the researchers think are cave lions with stripes. Ngandong tiger (Panthera tigris solonesis) is supposed to be the largest cat.

  • @GRIGGINS1
    @GRIGGINS1 3 года назад +14

    Tigers are just happy now that Cave Lions and American Lions aren't around to steal their lunch money lol.

    • @allensaunders449
      @allensaunders449 3 года назад

      Tigers are here and these are extinct for reasons

    • @GRIGGINS1
      @GRIGGINS1 3 года назад

      @@allensaunders449 Tigers did not have an asteroid land on top of them.

    • @SepiaChild
      @SepiaChild 3 года назад +1

      Lion's live in Dens
      Tigers live in caves

    • @m.ali.67.
      @m.ali.67. 3 года назад

      @@SepiaChild Tigers in Jungles, Lions in Plains.

    • @m.ali.67.
      @m.ali.67. 3 года назад

      @@allensaunders449 They probably never met.

  • @highfive7689
    @highfive7689 3 года назад

    I had a difficult time understanding the extinction of the American lion. There was a large population of buffalos long with American antelopes and extensive grasslands. So food is not really the reason why and lions are still alive in Africa and until relatively recently Europe in the presence of humans. Any thoughts as to what did them in?

    • @vojtechpetrak2739
      @vojtechpetrak2739 3 года назад +1

      the bison went through bottleneck so he was close to being extinction, luckily he managed to survive. This means that the lion didn't have enough nutrition to sustain itself.

    • @highfive7689
      @highfive7689 3 года назад

      Really, I had no idea that had happened. Well its understandable that when the Europeans came to the North America that herds were so massive since the major grasslands predator was missing.

    • @dontrotter1099
      @dontrotter1099 3 года назад

      at around 12800 bce or 14800 tears ago, the ice cap on north america and canada melted. by 11600 bce there were no more large animals in north america. Scientist argue that humans came in and slaughtered 100's of millions of large animals because they wanted to. Impossible dream. The older bison are not what we have in the us anymore. They came into america after the ice age, around 11600 bce. I am sure that humans killed all the surviving cats from natural protection aspects. Mountain lions are way smaller.

    • @dontrotter1099
      @dontrotter1099 3 года назад

      @Timothy Barron The humans who were in america died with the mega fauna. The few survivors were in the sw and in mexico. But they seem to have died off. The replacement peoples brought in a whole new weapon point. They used chips around the edge of spears, like the aztecs and mayas did. There are no mass animal kill sites in the us area. I think i saw where there are 17 known sites. If there was a continental fire, which the black mat says there was, then most of the remains were burned up. Clovis is concentrated mostly on the east and midwest area. for a thousand years the us area was a desert.

  • @user-tp1fm7sx3u
    @user-tp1fm7sx3u Год назад

    You didn't mention Macedonia apart from you mentioning Bulgaria and Greece, the macedonian back symbol is lion which were living in Macedonia before 400 AD.

  • @metzyahrosenstein4827
    @metzyahrosenstein4827 3 года назад +10

    Imagine leaving the hide tent to take a piss in pre-history North Carolina and getting smoked by a damn lion? Bad luck mate.

  • @mytube12
    @mytube12 2 года назад

    Felix atrox or panthera atrox?

  • @tazingwajuankalubakapulu5379
    @tazingwajuankalubakapulu5379 2 года назад

    I think that the name of the lion's ancestor is Panthera shawi , it looked like a leopard🐆

  • @arthurperez-garbin1765
    @arthurperez-garbin1765 2 года назад +1

    hi if that mummified animal was being eaten by lions and is intact how it is because it froze before the lions could consume it how come they didnt find any lion bodys with the buffalo or what ever it is if thats the case they would of found it with a lion stuck to its ass or neck or something

  • @bellabear653
    @bellabear653 Год назад

    It would make sense if the American lion was related to a jaguar or a tiger because from Alaska its a hop skip and jump to Siberia and the home of the biggest tiger. Though timeliness would have to be worked out. Or it could just be an offshoot of the America jaguar.

    • @Pistolita221
      @Pistolita221 9 месяцев назад

      It was an offshoot of the cave lion, according to genetic data. That's more conclusive than any other metric.

    • @Dr.Ian-Plect
      @Dr.Ian-Plect 8 месяцев назад

      It is related to them.

  • @cosmicfantasies
    @cosmicfantasies 2 года назад

    So is the American Cave Lion a subspecies or a species on its own?? Prehistoric Lions are so confusing

    • @zebedeemadness2672
      @zebedeemadness2672 6 месяцев назад

      From what i can gather there are two recognised subspecies of Cave lion (Panthera spelaea), the Eurasian cave lion (Panthera spelaea spelaea) basic range being Europe, West-Asia, Central-Asia, western North-Asia (West Siberia). Then the Beringian cave lion (Panthera spelaea vereshchagini) basic range being eastern North-Asia (East Siberia) and western North America (Alaska), Beringian meaning Bering Strait. It's the subspecies Beringian cave lion (Panthera spelaea vereshchagini) that is said to given rise to the American lion (Panthera atrox).

  • @tommyblansett9254
    @tommyblansett9254 2 года назад +1

    Giant Prehistoric Jaguar were comparably longer legged than modern Jaguars. The claim is made that Prehistoric Jaguars were reduced in size and shrank from open savannah into the smaller, comparably shorter legged and forest or jungle living modern Jaguar due to competition from the American lion.

    • @tyrannotherium7873
      @tyrannotherium7873 2 года назад

      It’s a lion

    • @tommyblansett9254
      @tommyblansett9254 2 года назад +1

      @@tyrannotherium7873 depends on how you define lion. If any "cat" in the genus Panthera is a lion, including: Tigers, Jaguars, and Leopards, then yes it is a Lion.

    • @majster7072
      @majster7072 2 года назад +2

      @@tommyblansett9254 It was more closely related to lions than to any other big cats.

  • @stevebananas5788
    @stevebananas5788 2 года назад +1

    imagine lions getting at you, and you do not have a well maintained weapon. game over! imagine you and your friend, just walking around looking for food......and instead you walk upon a SMALL pride. with only an AT-ILL-LATEL, and spears or bow. game over! the only thing i can think of, is a phalanx of Spartans......with guns. ps im editing this because i do not know how to spell AT-ILL-LATEL

  • @21LAZgoo
    @21LAZgoo 2 года назад +2

    2nd or 3rd heaviest and strongest cat that ever lived, im still unsure if the american lion or the bornean tiger is in 2nd

    • @21LAZgoo
      @21LAZgoo 2 года назад +2

      @Amos Zahirovic true i guess, those morbidly obese 1600 pound ligers are probably the heaviest of all cats, although i don’t think they are anywhere as strong, as those super obese ligers are completely out of shape
      athough i was counting the biggest specimens for cats that are in the wild and arent extremely morbidly obese

    • @tusker9959
      @tusker9959 Год назад

      @@21LAZgoo it number one I don't know why you have to be Such a fangirl

    • @tusker9959
      @tusker9959 Год назад

      It was the heaviest cat that ever lived

    • @21LAZgoo
      @21LAZgoo Год назад +3

      @@tusker9959 Lool you fangirl you will never get over that populator was stronger and heavier 🤣🤣🤣

    • @Pistolita221
      @Pistolita221 9 месяцев назад

      ​​@@21LAZgooxenosmilus was heavier and stronger than the American lion. Imo, the American lion had the best combination of speed, strength and agility of any carnivore ever, it would be an invasive species anywhere, any time (within atmosphereic reason). Atrox does what raptors do, but better in literally every way. And arctotherium angustidens (S. Am, shrt F. B.) would run rough shot over any therapod under 3 tons, being faster, more agile, and generally better equipped than relevant therapod competition, and broken OP outside of the Jurassic and Cretaceous periods. Both angustidens and atrox are too fast for large therapods to catch them, a big allosaur would max out at 25mph, angustidens tops out between 30 and 40mph (raptors top speed, maybe a bit faster actually), while Atrox was faster than lions, who hits 50mph, so Atrox was probably hitting 55-60, about 10-15mph faster than any dinosaur to ever live, it's just not a competition, mammalian carnivores from the pleistocene were THE PEAK of hyper-carnivores period, in an ecological sense. And mammalian cetaceans had their moment with livyattin melvilli, 1 ft conical teeth, the size of a sperm whale, the attitude somewhere between a killer whale and shark (probably) and sonar that gave them the first lethal ranged attack. They're just silly, like why? That ranged attack is like, so unnecessary with the giant teeth and jaws for biting, while being fairly fast.

  • @GrimmyplaysFortnite
    @GrimmyplaysFortnite Год назад

    They recently caught some in America!

  • @MeetThaNewDealer
    @MeetThaNewDealer 2 года назад

    Lannisters have joined the chat

  • @johntillman6068
    @johntillman6068 3 года назад +1

    It appears that the American lion was more intelligent than its Eurasian kin. They might have been smart enough to hunt their prey from downwind, which living lions don't do. Combined with giant bears and dire wolves, reason alone to explain late entry of humans into North America.

    • @SepiaChild
      @SepiaChild 3 года назад +1

      That's why they went extinct

  • @Colesbaby1999
    @Colesbaby1999 Год назад

    🦁💙

  • @aaronbrooks6958
    @aaronbrooks6958 Год назад

    Still mountain lions/cougars in the US.

  • @xenon3659
    @xenon3659 Год назад

    American lions were solitary not social, also they were maneless.

  • @DG-xj7pm
    @DG-xj7pm Год назад

    That dumb profile pic slide throughout the video took away how great this video is.

  • @mrnickbig1
    @mrnickbig1 3 года назад

    I thought Jaguars were American lions.

  • @casper6405
    @casper6405 3 года назад +2

    Wasnt cave lion most known around the world
    Like in Europe there where also cave lions

    • @bucknunley359
      @bucknunley359 3 года назад

      Did you watch the video? He covered most species of panthera megafauna.

    • @casper6405
      @casper6405 3 года назад

      @@bucknunley359 oh jesus sorry mister words
      I was just saying
      Fucking hell

  • @Pistolita221
    @Pistolita221 9 месяцев назад

    The American lion is OP, probably THE BEST terrestrial predator, ever. Better than rex, better than anything ever.

  • @exalt2674
    @exalt2674 10 месяцев назад

    6:08 is there any meaningful difference between the male and the female here?

    • @Dr.Ian-Plect
      @Dr.Ian-Plect 8 месяцев назад

      No, it's the same illustration, pointless.

  • @professorsimosuchus7954
    @professorsimosuchus7954 3 года назад

    10:52 i like how there is a very serious sexual dilmorphism size chart and he is just there doing it to 'em

  • @luisvelez1952
    @luisvelez1952 2 года назад

    The only way to be sure that American Lion did not have mane is to find a frozen Male Lion and confirmed it. The native Americans have painted the female lions because there the most common gender in a pride.

  • @tyrannotherium7873
    @tyrannotherium7873 2 года назад

    I don’t see this lightly around the 500 pound range it should be around 900 to perhaps 1000 pounds because African lions are in the 500 power range since American lying to much bigger it makes sense it should be around in the 900 to 1000 Allegria

  • @simonlooms6206
    @simonlooms6206 3 года назад

    Super interesting

  • @johnharris7353
    @johnharris7353 Месяц назад

    I would of had a pet one that I could ride.

  • @petehoover6616
    @petehoover6616 3 года назад

    Humans have dreamed of making all the big cats extinct since we were Australopithecus. We are probably going to succeed in wiping them out.
    They can't stop eating people.

  • @stewartfm2319
    @stewartfm2319 6 месяцев назад

    Look like ligers

  • @suryakantamendali7674
    @suryakantamendali7674 3 года назад +1

    Only India is protecting several species of animals although population density is more than 450/ squre kilometre ll
    And jungle is saved 24% of the total land area ll

  • @prehistoricadam
    @prehistoricadam 3 года назад +2

    from an american fan: it's pronounced "meh-ruh-land" not "mary-land"

    • @dr.polaris6423
      @dr.polaris6423  3 года назад +1

      Sorry about that mispronunciation, must be my accent!

    • @pedrocampos691
      @pedrocampos691 3 года назад

      Yes yes.

    • @chrishoo2
      @chrishoo2 3 года назад +2

      I like saying MARYland & potoMAC, it really pisses off Americans, maybe because they haven’t a hope in hell of pronouncing British place names 🤣

    • @thedukeofchutney468
      @thedukeofchutney468 3 года назад

      As someone who grew up in MD you can pronounce it either way and Mary-Land is technically the correct pronunciation.

  • @tusker9959
    @tusker9959 Год назад

    A male American lion is the tallest biggest strongest heaviest cat that ever lived

    • @Pistolita221
      @Pistolita221 9 месяцев назад

      They're probably the best mammalian predator ever, but they weren't the heaviest or the strongest. That would be Smilodon Populator. And the tallest (terrestrial mammalian) predator was the short faced bear, and the heaviest and strongest was the south American short faced bear, south American pleistocene server was all about the tank meta. Osteoderms and scutes for everyone! And let's throw in a 30 ft croc, cause YOLO. Or at least I'd be more surprised if the Orinoco crocodile was under 30 ft during the pleistocene. 25 ft wasn't uncommon before the colonizers hunted out the trophy genetics and poisoned the rivers, and crocodilians were just a little bigger generally during the pleistocene, we see it in salties, Nile Crocs and alligators, it only makes sense, to try and keep up with the mammalian megafauna prey items being so much bigger, and large turtles and amphibious ground sloths selecting for larger crocodilians.

    • @tusker9959
      @tusker9959 9 месяцев назад

      @@Pistolita221 American lion heavier than smilodon

    • @Pistolita221
      @Pistolita221 9 месяцев назад

      @@tusker9959 it was not, it was taller, though. The highest weight estimates for populator are a bit higher than Atrox, and modern weight estimates kept populator at 1,100lb while Atrox is now topping out at 900, still horse sized, still the tallest, strongest bite, longest canines (of panthera), etc. But it's not THE heaviest cat ever, it is the biggest though.

    • @tusker9959
      @tusker9959 9 месяцев назад

      @@Pistolita221 bro your switching the American lion and smilodon populator weight American lion is 1,152 pound while smilodon is 850 pounds

    • @saviourojukwu893
      @saviourojukwu893 Месяц назад

      @@tusker9959 what no that has already been debunked for the American lion

  • @ramakantaswain9232
    @ramakantaswain9232 3 года назад

    American lion prey also mammoth ground sloth

    • @tusker9959
      @tusker9959 Год назад

      Only young sloths and newborn Mammoth

  • @McDanielRanch
    @McDanielRanch 2 года назад +1

    Highly dought he was an apex with a higher then 90% kill rate.

    • @ashwinvk4124
      @ashwinvk4124 2 года назад

      I don't think there is any predator with higher than 90% success rate

    • @McDanielRanch
      @McDanielRanch 2 года назад

      @@ashwinvk4124 komodo dragon, dragon fly, scorpion.

  • @Pixel_Entriment24
    @Pixel_Entriment24 2 года назад

    there more than 300 name for the lion in Arabic language

  • @longfootbuddy
    @longfootbuddy 3 года назад +1

    funny how they believe that all life came from africa, as if it was some magical place, the only place on earth that life couldv, had to'v, and mustv came from.. funny thing

    • @caviramus0993
      @caviramus0993 3 года назад

      Who believes so?

    • @21LAZgoo
      @21LAZgoo 2 года назад

      @TheGreenEyedMonsterTruck well, when the first spikes of the megafaunal extinctions occurred, the human population had already crashed a couple centuries before that because of the onset of the sudden full glacial cold that unexpectedly came back at the end of the ice age

    • @inflameswetrust2194
      @inflameswetrust2194 7 месяцев назад

      No one thinks life magically came out of africa. Life existed on earth before Africa was ever a continent.
      Now if you isolate for where humans evolved then yes, it’s africa. But that’s just hominids.

    • @longfootbuddy
      @longfootbuddy 7 месяцев назад

      cant even tell the truth about their own life, much less a life from a million years ago@@inflameswetrust2194

  • @enkhjargalulzii430
    @enkhjargalulzii430 Год назад

    the lion king but in European

  • @melinadelacruz3416
    @melinadelacruz3416 2 года назад

    And the short fa ced bear?

  • @luisvelez1952
    @luisvelez1952 2 года назад

    The American Lion is going to be the rival of the Sabertooth Tiger in an Ice Age Jurassic Park counterpart movie.

    • @luisvelez1952
      @luisvelez1952 Год назад

      @tigerLuver it doesn’t matter, you seen Tiger vs Lion fight videos in You Tube, there long, brutal and powerful it’s the same thing but in the Ice Age creatures.

    • @luisvelez1952
      @luisvelez1952 Год назад

      @tigerLuver the only reason why the American Lion is going to win is that the Sabertooth iconic teeth fangs prevent the bite from penetrating the skull that makes it a weakness and it’s less agile than the Mega Lion. It won’t be an easy fight against each other.

    • @tusker9959
      @tusker9959 Год назад

      ​@tigerLuver American lion was 456kg or 1007 pound in weight

  • @richardrolf5496
    @richardrolf5496 3 года назад +2

    Again miss information wrong in just about everything he's stating they are not nor we're they rare animals they weren't and are not related to the tiger maybe Barbra Lions have white skulls like siberian and Bengal tigers they're not related to the Jaguar nor the tiger give credit when it's due it's called 18 or 20 in in width length 13 inches in width 12 to 13 inches in height and waved 1000 1200 lb to 1400 , thousand pounds and 14 ft long instead over 5 ft 3 in in height in the shoulder I've studied large feline cats for over 50 years the exact 51 years.

    • @dr.polaris6423
      @dr.polaris6423  3 года назад +10

      The idea that the American Lion was a close relative of tigers or jaguars is not my opinion. I was simply restating the conclusions of certain older studies. Modern research definitively places Panthera atrox as close to living lions, which I made clear in the video.

    • @richardrolf5496
      @richardrolf5496 3 года назад

      @@dr.polaris6423 I understand thank you , I'm sorry if I offended you in any way ' I also have read many past untruths from tiger biases , who falsely claim that the Siberian tiger , you the Bengal tigers are the largest of all the living felines , and me being ,very ready spoke out ,to refute , dispute , against every error hood , concerning ,the African Lion , and the giant American Lion , and the prehistoric tiger , and the Sabertooth cat , it's a constant reminder that in everything that you will present as factual , precise evidence , and is irrefutable , the lies will continuing ,show up , from a many heretic lunatic , inaccuracies , that's just the truth Alethia ,

    • @richardrolf5496
      @richardrolf5496 3 года назад +1

      @SOVEREIGN SUPREME No their not there's too much overwhelming Evidence that that supports the factual confirmed precise truth and it's been proven scientifically that they are not giant jaguars they have the skull of the so-called giant Jaguar which isn't a giant at all and compared to that of the American Lion Panthera atrox skull and it's been proven that is not a skull of a Jaguar as simple as that.

    • @richardrolf5496
      @richardrolf5496 3 года назад +1

      @SOVEREIGN SUPREME Your right!!!

    • @21LAZgoo
      @21LAZgoo 2 года назад +2

      Looool 1000 pounds, the heaviest specimen ever found of an american lion isnt near that weight

  • @williamblansett5786
    @williamblansett5786 2 года назад

    Cave lions had stripes.

  • @richardrolf6248
    @richardrolf6248 2 года назад

    When it's all revelled and the truth exposes lies it's a proven confirmed fact through the DNA genetic material of the bones of all of the Giant American Panthera Atrox Lion skeletons ,all of them it's scientifically evidence proven , it's been disputed refuted disputed ,argued , over and over again , that this Giant cat was and is a Lion .

  • @scottmccrea1873
    @scottmccrea1873 2 года назад +1

    Interesting article here on lions in Europe. Latest possible surviving date is 300BC, long before the 400AD date in the video.
    Also, there's very little evidence that humans hunted these dozens of genera to extinction. Scavenging carcasses of lions seems more reasonable than proto-Native Americans attacking gigantic lions with rocks and sticks.
    Not only that, but given how tiny the Native American population was before agriculture (circa 6000 BCE), and in the world generally, they would have do to have done nothing but roam around mindlessly slaughtering every large animal they could find. The evidence doesn't support this and logically it is absurd. Tho clearly large animals such as mammoths were hunted occasionally, much if not most of their protein would have come from much smaller aniamls - deer, pronghorn, rodents. Except in winter, there would have been no way to process or store the huge amounts of meat from a mammoth or gomphothere carcass so the effort and attendant danger of attacking huge animals with rocks and sticks would have been hardly worth it.
    Hunting huge animals on a mass scale simply wasn't possible before the invention of high powered rifle cartridges in the 1870s. It was these weapons (e.g. the Sharps Buffalo Rifle) that made slaughtering millions of bison practical.
    Bob Bakker thinks it was the "ill theory". That Proto-Natives and their dogs introduced novel pathogen(s) that, combined with the radical climate changes in the 20K to 10K BCE time frame, combined to eliminate dozens of genera.
    And that seems FAR more reasonable than picturing ancients peoples turning into prehistoric Buffalo Bill Codies.
    www.sapiens.org/archaeology/lions-europe/

    • @Pistolita221
      @Pistolita221 9 месяцев назад +1

      Agreed, I always thought the idea of humans killing all megatherium within a few years of being introduced to the ecosystem was absolutely absurd. Or the smilodon populator, or short faced bear. I agree, novel pathogen seems possible but I also heard there were continental forest fires in north America which could imply impact, it would also explain why Africa and Asia were the least effected, while the Western and Northern hemispheres collapsed, though that does also generally align with the novel pathogen hypothesis, as well. It really is a fascinating subject, and decidedly undecided.

    • @scottmccrea1873
      @scottmccrea1873 9 месяцев назад +1

      @Pistolita221 and speaking of Africa why did megafauna survive there when it had the highest population of humans?
      The extreme climate changes (e.g. Younger Dryas) may have also contributed.

    • @Pistolita221
      @Pistolita221 9 месяцев назад

      @@scottmccrea1873 agreed, heck it could have been a combination of disease and impact. If the disease was native to the tropics and spread north with humans, asian and African animals would have some natural resistance since they co-dependently evolved, unlike animals from the mammoth step of the north. And climate definitely played a big role, impact hypothesis's main extinction mechanism is a impact cloud of dust induced "winter".

  • @stephaninaa
    @stephaninaa 2 года назад

    Ligers are clearly better

    • @stephaninaa
      @stephaninaa 2 года назад

      ligers are biggest stronger faster longer taller everything better then thee ''American lion''

    • @tusker9959
      @tusker9959 Год назад

      @@stephaninaa dumb dumb it is not faster not stronger not bigger not even taller than American lion

    • @tusker9959
      @tusker9959 Год назад

      @tigerLuver nah man American lion are
      Bigger stronger
      Better at hunting and b fighting experience
      Heavier
      Stamina

    • @tusker9959
      @tusker9959 Год назад

      @tigerLuver ok
      Bc liger are zoo animals they don't have any clue what hunting a steppe Mammoth or even a horse, they also never fight animal that are as dangerous as short face bear smliodon they only have play fight, American lion are bigger because of the animal it can hunt and do to competition with north American predator

  • @danielmorais8745
    @danielmorais8745 2 года назад

    Accept all of you jesus as your savior and king

  • @Deniszey
    @Deniszey Год назад

    You people have no clue that the fossils you have are that of a lion. There is no other lion except the lion of Africa. Stop lying to yourselves because you want to enrich the American culture. There was no such thing as the American lion. If there was a big cat that ever existed in North America, it was certainly not the lion.

    • @dr.polaris6423
      @dr.polaris6423  Год назад +2

      Why would I want to enrich American culture? I'm not even American. Secondly, the American Lion is only a colloquial name for the genus Panthera atrox. It was a close relative of modern lions, without technically being one.

    • @Deniszey
      @Deniszey Год назад

      @@dr.polaris6423 But you people are saying it as if it was an actual Lion, a type of Panthera Leo, not a type of Panthera generally when you use that name "Lion" which is equal to "Leo", and describing it in your video using the pictures of the actual Panthera Leo. And because of that, it psychologically dethrones the original lion that we know today from the number one spot in the history of lions and putting the hypothetical "American Lion" high up there because of size, strength and what have you to attribute. What I'm saying is written all over the comment section. The Atlas Lion is the known biggest specie of lions ever recorded and it's almost extinct. You can understand when someone calls that a lion because actually, it is a lion without being told. The so called "American lion" was a big cat, call it atrox. Tigers, Ligars and Tigons are much closer relatives to the Lion but are never called Lions because they don't act and behave like one.

    • @Dr.Ian-Plect
      @Dr.Ian-Plect 8 месяцев назад

      @@dr.polaris6423 Panthera, not P. atrox