ASL CHAMP JyJ 🇰🇷 (T) vs 2nd In ASL 10 Soma 🇰🇷 (Z) on Retro - StarCraft - Brood War Remastered
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The bunker was a spontanious reaction from jyj to trap soma's drones at the bridge forcing him to pull more drones. Quite the genius move.
I was SO hyped when I realized what he was up to. Big brain play right there.
Born in 1998, am 25 now but grew up playing SC1 as a kid. Always find myself coming back to watching StarCraft vids, even though I stopped really playing years ago. Is anyone else like this lmao, just the nostalgia, watching and listening to these vids are always so comforting.
I'm still playing at free time but absolutely not a good game player. But this game is very classic for RTS style, seems always appealing
this game can keep your mind sharp! gl boys!
Same. I occasionally still play the singleplayer but it's the casts that draw me in. I can't watch or play SC2. It's too fluid, sleek, and anxiety inducing while BW just gives me this sense of calm and familiarity.
"You can't just let them die to a spore for no reason at all." Amen lol
eh its annoying when he makes observations like this, pros dont babysit their units. that's what makes them pros. he lost the bc because he was busy managing his economy/macro doing everything a bad player would be ignoring while they babysit that 1 bc which has already served its purpose costing the zerg gas for scourge.
25:40 I laugh my ass off when you said "That´s embarrassing".
I never thought about how good fire bats can be inside a bunker.
Really good! Especially against zealots and lings!
Seems like late game ZvT swings pretty wildly once zerg get enough pressure off to get an attack to a base. They can do so much with so little with dark swarm in play.
16:58 Magical mystery battlecruiser tour
Battlecruiser curse is back, did some work but not nearly enough. Consume/dark swarm/plague too op for the BC
GG
I mean the BCs weren't microed barely at all..unless BCs are moved with the marine/medic/vessel there's not really much point of using them againt a pro zerg player.
wrong, bcs are not meant to be with your army, you send them to the zerg base and forget about them , they serve their purpose costing the zerg gas, which is more important to them than the gas cost of the bc is to the terran. Every pro terran player simply attack moves their bc to the zergs geysers (including flash and light). so unless youre claiming to know better than every pro terran...🙄🙄 @@Ziegfried82
"Another Ultralisk in your mineral line: worst place to work 2023!" LOL
Irradiate doesn't stack on top of itself. Another sick cast. Happy New Year and thanks for the content!
BC use was actually great. he killed like 9 extractors with them and a bunch of lurkers and drones and defilers. Zerg needs gas more than P and T so losing the gas reallllly screws with Soma. And as you can see, despite building BC he still was floating over 2k gas most of the game because marinne medic vessel hardly cost any gas. Their entire purpose is to spend excess gas and have them harass and draw attention and maybe kill some drones and extractor while hanging on a difficult to hit spot inbetween bases.
Maybe ghosts with camo and ocular to spot ultrasonics and infested wraiths from a mile away to do the same duty as a spider minion to nuke mounds, dens and extractors for the same effort as afk cruisers. Gets on nerves if you don't immediately spot the ghost before the warning.
I don't think the BC use was good at all here! If he was desperate to dump more gas...mass more vessels or start mixing in siege tanks. Battlecruisers sent on their own seems to have an extremely low win rate.
@@Ziegfried82 the issue is that zerg has a high winrate around the 20-25 minute mark after they have survived the constant aggression from SK terran. It is when the zerg usually gets enough economy going to start spamming Ultralisk, Defiler, ling at different bases. Before 20 minutes terran has a higher winrate. After 25-28 minute Terran again gets a higher winrate than the zerg because they catch up with their upgrades. It is not that BC don't do their job, because they often do. The goal is to send them out, have them attack stuff while almost not paying attention to them, yet the BC requires a lot of attention from the Terran. This gives the terran a multitasking advantage to focus on their bio vessel army while a BC hopefully just kills anything. Going vessel doesn't have this effect because they don't demand as much attention from the zerg but do demand more attention from the terran.
Spend extra gas, send out bc and have bc do whatever while you micro the bio vessel.
If you have enough vessels you dont mass more vessels, the human APM can only handle so many irradiates. He built bc's because theyre a 0 brain 0 apm solution to having too much gas. You simply right click them across the map to the zerg's vespene geysers and tax their apm and gas(scourge) to deal with them while you allocate your time and focus to your medic and marine/vessel army. And no you dont go tanks in this build. His usage of BCs was above average this game actually, he lost because he did not defend his bottom base properly and had his reinforcement rally sitting at his natural for too long, probably a warm up game.@@Ziegfried82
If you see them take the low ground for the third base, it's because either:
1) they want to create incentives for the Terran to attack there to trap their units.
2) He wants to mine out the harder to defend base first.
3) He is very confident he can hold it.
Or any combination of the three.
By the way, zerg had better position in the start, if you ask me. Drone and scv count was similar for the first 5 mins. If Terran went exp, the difference would be +10
intense match, so happy for the zerg win!
If those 2 BCs had Yamato'd the Spore that killed them, they'd still be alive!
True!
21:42 Good point. I always felt like BCs could be good counters to ultras IF you actually use the yamato on them
I am by no means a good player but ive seen quite a few games now where the bcs just hover over ultras shooting them for a loooong time. One yamato and suddenly over half their hp is gone.
Terrible use of BCs again, pro terrans should not make these units if they are gonna use em like that. I think it would be better to just mix in siege tank/vulture mines or make extra science vessels at that rate.
wrong, you dont make bcs to fight ground units, you make them to send to the zergs base to tax their apm and gas by forcing them to respond on their own side of the map. the bcs threaten the gas geysers (or tech buildings) which are infinitely the most important thing in zvt. if you make bcs and keep them at your base to fight ultras it means the zerg already has map control and a single swarm counters 200/200 supply of bcs. It just makes zero sense to use them like this. This caster has literally 0 game knowledge despite doing this for so long, its crazy.
@@yangpaan453Then why in games where BCs are used with the army instead of sending them off to die, does the terran seem to do better?
they dont, pros would not use this strat if it didnt work. look at every TvZ in ASL where BCs are used, theyre always sent to the zerg's gas. no pro uses them with their army, Idk what random noobs you watch that do.@@TheFlyingZulu
Spoiler free top comments of the match by Falcon:
"And the Defiler dies. Disappointing his mother in the process."
"These Battlecruisers are somewhere between useless and MVPs of the game."
😂Gas-starved Soma: I am making you starving for minerals😈
Thanks for the casts Falcon Paladin! Would there be any way to create some kind of simple overlay that associate they players' identities with their gamer-tags? Its sometimes difficult to discern which players you are describing mid-cast. Hate to create more work for you. God bless!
"BC's are between worthless and mvp" lmao
wow JyJ really droped the ball on this one
Why dont Terran players use more firebats on bunkers knowing that the zerg attacks use zerglings and ultralisks?
Also, very poor micro from JyJ, losing many battlecruisers for not paying attention.
Plagued science vessels "piu-piu-piu!"
😁😁😁
Watching starcraft broodwar in 2024.
Happy new year anyone!!!
I think JYJ might have been letting his baby sister play for him for that game… Staggeringly inept play.
Happy New Year
I really believe its always cost effective to build static defense near the mine or/and gas
what do you suggest these pros do then? spam 10 bunkers near their minerals? you realize a single dark swarm would kill all those bunkers right? and no filling them with firebats is not the answer because if you're that late into the game where a zerg gets a swarm in your base theres going to be ultralisks under it. and the only counter to ultralisks is a critical mass of marines, and how do we get a critical mass of marines? by not wasting money on static D. The best defense in Tvz is a critical mass of medic and marine that can kite away from swarms. Static D does not work and that's why pros dont use it, and if you know so much better then why are you not a pro? @@thisisanewchannel-wd7jl
I feel like JYJ always goes for bcs against zerg
because theyre good, he didnt lose because of his BC play, they actually did really well to stall the zergs gas.
4 BCs killed one building... 18:00 why...
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I'm a huge Zerg fan and ... well. This was very sloppy game. Bad net connection or too many shrooms. It really lefts a bad taste in your mouth when you see both sides to lose lots of units because they don't control them. Zerg win 🎉🎉 but overall bad gameplay, but Falcon's commentary was excellent as always.❤
You have no idea what you're talking about. These are two of the best players in the world. They dont waste their time babysitting single units like falcon does when he's watching. There is too much to do around the map controlling many bases, control groups, economy, macro etc. If you look at the minimap you can see how fast their screens are moving around the map. No human in the world can respond to every unit that is about to die. These players have 300-400 actions per minute. Lets see how you control them with your 50. 😂
terran player was probably watching tv when he played this game
Awesome!
I feel sorry for your mother - Falcon Paladin
Noob question: would producing a queen or two to infect science vessels (to keep track of where they are) be helpful in countering SKT? I can see how the costs might outweigh the benifits, but I've wondered if it's even been tried.
It'd probably help a lot, but queens are expensive and maybe not worth the cost.
I am super tired and opiate impaired so not 100% sure but did y9u just make a Beatles reference at 17:25 ish?
Not intentionally!
Why oh why didnt he block the ramp with buildings and bunker bottom right
The BCs didn't do much at all aside killing extractors, waste of resources imo
Man medic remove plauge from bc with ability?
It does, yes! ruclips.net/video/2nH-smg8Do0/видео.html
No control, useless units losses. Whatever.
Battle Cruisers lol
Is Brood War național sport in South Corea?
This was cringe in many ways. Losing several infantry to ONE LING killing the backline with no reprisal, losing BC's over and over due to not just attack-moving them, not having some BC with the army to yamato the ultras, not re-doing static defenses and re-building choke-points when you could, repeatedly irradiating huge HP boxes like the ultras so they just AOE kill all your SCV's even FASTER (you irradiate them AWAY from your base not in the middle of it) never getting siege tanks to help hold high ground (that all-important base, could have held so much better if those three bunkers choked the access point and had tank support on high-ground to boot, you can drop-ship in more troops or SCV's at need... Not JyJ's best game at all, I'm sure of it.
Not JYJ best. Honestly, that was pretty bad of him switching to BC. I agree with you, Falcon, on he should have switched to seige tanks.
For the algorithm
Can medics remove plague from BC?
Yep, restoration can do that.
Takes some serious skill to use it but if you are going to use restoration for anything it's worth doing on Battlecruisers. An excellent counter to plague.
Sadly, there's no player has enough micro skill to do this technique.
Yes. ruclips.net/video/2nH-smg8Do0/видео.html
Seems like JYJ needs more training anyway. Absolutely stupid game.
A lot of butthurt Terrans in the comment section. Myself included.
Remember the pain you felt when casting those Muta plays into Corsair? Yeah. It's the same for me when I see BCs. Please, Terran players, stop this.
What a stupid game from JyJ. How could he become a champion?
Hi,you really fan sc? Your favourite race in sc?
Unsupported battlecruisers vs zerg with spire are just such a bad idea... I can never work out why I see so many on the proscene doing it. Am I missing something?
Also... medic's Restore ability.
Just saying...
stupid interrupting commercials from RUclips will be the company's downfall to competition
What a lousy play with the mutalisks... JvJ should have won this dull game.
@@thisisanewchannel-wd7jl I just said with such a lousy mutalisk play, JvJ should have walked away, but he played poorly.
Terran player shoukd stop playing that game!
he's an ASL champ, god the comments on this casters channel are full of smooth brains/
@@yangpaan453 He might be anything,but he is not cautious at all.He is losing those units like amateur.He lost so many battlecruisers for nothing...If he is a champ i am the God of that game!
No you just have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Pros do not babysit their units. The bcs are right clicked the zergs geyser and then forgotten about because their purpose is simply to cost the zerg gas in scourge and tax their apm by forcing them to deal with the bcs on their side of the map, while the terran spends their apm elsewhere, macroing/microing their medic marine army. The entire point of the bcs are simply to buy the terran time and keep them away from his own base because once a swarm gets down on a terran base the game swings heavily in the favor of zerg.
You think you're better because you would not lose the BCs but that is actually why you're just bad. The fact that you think you're better than one of the best terrans in the world playing against one of the best zergs in the world shows your level of delusion.@@beslemeto
@@yangpaan453 Bro you dont know what you are talking!Anyway its not important...
@@beslemeto delusional
Merry New Year!!!
16:51 5 kill ling