Nice video :D Really informative about all current/past roundabout crossings which is pretty interesting Only thing IMO that sucks about roundabouts is when buses have to go upon them - It's so bumpy XD (9:30)
Fascinating - I've never considered that there would be roundabout railway crossings. Seems like asking for trouble! Nice to see you are well over 1k subs.
I definitely see what you mean with the roundabouts because they are allways one direction and force traffic to slow down which is good when trains involved
That crossing in Echuca carried the stub branch to the Port of Echuca, this line was disconnected about 10 years ago & most of the line through the roundabout has been lifted, although some rail remains, I can't see it ever seeing a train again.
Great video. Came across you by accident. My opinion on roundabouts - as someone that’s driven a lot overseas. Australians are by and large (there’s exceptions) totally useless when it comes to roundabouts. They seem to have no clue how to use them properly and that theh are designed for continuous movement UNLESS you are about to cut someone off. Not drive up to it, stop and look all ways. You are meant to be looking at it as you drive up to them and continue through if safe.
Totally agree, it's crazy how inefficient a lot of people are at using them, most of the time it streamlines things a lot but when people are the smartest it gets pretty annoying. Glad you enjoyed the video!
The traffic lights on the Cemetery Road roundabout were due to a couple of fatal accidents on that roundabout. Roundabouts are suboptimal where high levels of traffic exist.
@ Ye, it’s just what I’m used to saying but I’ll try to use P instead, but most times I say LXRA in the video I say project right after. I think it’s not too big of a deal
Loving the mention of Penguin, but unfortunately the intersection mentioned isnt a railway going through a 4 way intersection, due to Cresent St & Surf club road not lining up. Its actually alot more interesting then a 4 way interesting, with it being mostly a skeued intersection, with both skeued streets being crossed by the railway (as they are skeued to meet the railway not avoid it). As theirs only 3-4 trains a day in each direction this set up works fine, and Surf Club road is a very minor dead end road only really used as extra parking for the town. At the other end of town theirs a more traditional skeued intersection, with Cresent Street reconnecting with Main street, and Johnsons Beach road leaving main st on the other side of the railway crossing. Devnonport does have a 4 way crossing, with North fenton st & Lower Madden st's But happy penguin got a mention, along with Ulverstone and Devonport.
Yeah I noticed this too, I was going to look for another because I knew there was one in Devonport it's just I thought it would be a bit uninteresting for Devonport to take all the spotlight since there are so many cool and undocumented crossings in Tasmania!
@@sbmetro165 I don't really know what happened all I know is that some parts of the line still remain, and I think it's a good video idea to explain what happened to the line.
the reason why they are adding gates to the passive bells and lights is it allows vlos to run at 160km, thats why its not done on the mildura line and not places that dont see much service like ararat another road that has the slewed road is neerim road and murrmbeena road
You kinda forget another disused roundabout crossing, the Eramosa road/Mooroduc highway roundabout with a disused rail line cutting across it (its on the mornington peninsula, occasionally drive by it every now and again)
Whether it counts as one or not, part of me is hoping to see it reinstated, although due west of it is a tourist line, which might complicate any plans to electrify the area (honestly my thoughts are that the peninsula is in serious need of public transport, as with the exception of the highly infrequent Stony Point line, if you want to take public transport, you’ll have to go on a select few bus lines, despite the fact that it’s only the less populated end that has the rail line)
@ I really doubt the line will reopen to passenger use. My prediction is the opposite in which the tourist railway extends to Baxter, best solution to the peninsula I reckon is to build a busway down the peninsula freeway with park and rides
do the trains clog traffic at the roundabouts? not sure how long the freight trains are in australia, but in my town in america they can take 5+ minutes to pass. there’s a nearby intersection that i think would be a good candidate for a roundabout, except it’s near a track with frequent long freight trains and i think they would block the whole roundabout, even for traffic not crossing the tracks
@@not_angery In the city not really, although trains are quite frequent. In Mildura I’d assuming they’d be pretty annoying although they are very infrequent so it’s not too bad
At least three people have been killed at the level crossing at the Lindum Road/Kianawa Road/Sandy Camp Road/ Sibley Road crossing in Queensland you mentioned briefly. I have suggested traffic lights there as the water table is too high for an underpass and it's too built up for an overpass.
@@yogurtfluff1 Yes I’ve heard how infamous that crossing is. I remember they redid the intersection a bit since the boom gates didn’t actually cover the whole road coming from the side but I’m assuming it’s still quite the sketchy crossing
I understand that you were covering roundabouts specifically with railway crossings. But there's at least one interesting roundabout with a tram crossing in Melbourne, specifically, the one in Flemington at the intersection of Racecourse, Epsom and Ascot Vale Rds, with the tramway going from Racecourse Rd, through the middle of the roundabout, to Epsom Rd. I personally hate using this roundabout due to the strange way everything intersects. It might be an interesting video to cover tramway roundabouts in Victoria
@@quiversky4292 Ooh yes, I thought about covering these too but there is just way too many, there are a lot more than you think, but yeah there are a lot of really bad ones on main roads.
@@VictorianRailwaysPhotography Before the tourist railway was a thing the crossing there was a normal road and the roundabout opened after the line closed
Pretty sure at that roundabout in Geelong it used to be the connection towards the old queens cliff line which was shut in the late 70s they’ve now made it a rail trail but the line indent is still there and I pretty sure government still owns it but yeah once you start getting closer towards queenscliff then you’ll end up finding the bellarine peninsula railway also there used to be a narrow gauge sand quarry near the line
I think I’ve seen only one level crossing go through a roundabout here in the U.S. It was in Florida I believe. I could be remembering completely wrong, though. Another thing is that the U.S. has a lot of crossings that just have the crossbuck and a yield (give way) or stop sign and nothing else.
Even with the railway lifted out of the intersection Reservoir is still not great. I cannot understand why they didn't connect Broadway to Edwardes street.
Level Crossing Removals Are Also Known As Grade Crossing Eliminations Some Parts Of The World Most Particularly In Argentina United States Australia For Example Most Of Argentina Province Of Buenos Aires State Of Victoria And The Main Line Of The LIRR In The United States In Long Island Had Recently A Level Crossing Removals Throughout This Decade De To High Accidents In Mineola New Hyde Park And Westbury NY To Be Honest Level Crossing Removals Have Been Increasing Around The World And It's Much Safer. I Also Think That Roundabouts She BE Eliminated And Replace Them With Intersections.
_Utterly_ amused that your examples of Americans getting this wrong are places I recognised instantly and go to regularly. Amazingly, the multilane all-way stop at the end of Calaveras in Milpitas works surprisingly well. Drivers tend to be patient and cooperative there-perhaps out of desperation?-unlike everywhere else, and somehow agree on priority. Really, the only issue with railways crossing roundabouts is that it's not amusing _enough._ Could we also, I dunno, ford a canal? Or involve a runway, like in Gibraltar.
@@stephenspackman5573 Yeah the Calaveras one I used more since it was the first one that came to mind for some reason, it’s not usually too bad. (I used it quite a lot)
Why don't they just eliminate the railway crossing by building skyrail at these roundabouts? The more railway crossing that are eliminated the better things will be for motorists.
That is exactly what's happened already at Geelong and Highett (not sure if it's a skyrail) but yeah Brighton could probably do with skyrail although there are a lot of factors to consider for grade seperation and it may not be feasible to remove a lot of the crossings on the Sandringham line.
Great camera work, lovely graphics! I'm impressed
Nicely researched and presented! Something unusual for a model-railway person to recreate!
Nice video :D Really informative about all current/past roundabout crossings which is pretty interesting
Only thing IMO that sucks about roundabouts is when buses have to go upon them - It's so bumpy XD (9:30)
Thanks for watching and I'm glad you enjoyed it! At least the roundabouts they know buses will go over are a bit flatter
Fascinating - I've never considered that there would be roundabout railway crossings. Seems like asking for trouble! Nice to see you are well over 1k subs.
I definitely see what you mean with the roundabouts because they are allways one direction and force traffic to slow down which is good when trains involved
That crossing in Echuca carried the stub branch to the Port of Echuca, this line was disconnected about 10 years ago & most of the line through the roundabout has been lifted, although some rail remains, I can't see it ever seeing a train again.
Great video. Came across you by accident. My opinion on roundabouts - as someone that’s driven a lot overseas. Australians are by and large (there’s exceptions) totally useless when it comes to roundabouts. They seem to have no clue how to use them properly and that theh are designed for continuous movement UNLESS you are about to cut someone off. Not drive up to it, stop and look all ways. You are meant to be looking at it as you drive up to them and continue through if safe.
Totally agree, it's crazy how inefficient a lot of people are at using them, most of the time it streamlines things a lot but when people are the smartest it gets pretty annoying. Glad you enjoyed the video!
There was a roundabout crossing in Auckland, New Zealand. At New Lynn, before they remove it in the late 2000s
@@jontysherson That was the picture I asked if people knew where it was, hehe
@@sbmetro165 Where was that in the video.
@@jontysherson0:58
We don't care about that disgusting country. @@jontysherson
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The traffic lights on the Cemetery Road roundabout were due to a couple of fatal accidents on that roundabout. Roundabouts are suboptimal where high levels of traffic exist.
Nicely done SB! Another well made video, thanks for sharing!
@@ethanthevictorianrailfan7030 Thanks for the support!
Very well researched, I was wondering if you’d pick up all the strange (and sometimes dangerous) crossings in the Mildura area!
The Geelong VicRoads was right next to the Fyans St roundabout. Really throwing learners into the deep end
8:53. The Bundaberg one is a sugarcane tramway, so, the trains only run through there for about 5-6 months of the year.
@@nicholasbyrne6485 Yep! It was the only example I could think of with a setup like that
Very interesting video
2:48 this train horn made me laugh XD
Excellent and informative video :)
@@VictorianTransportSpotter I’m glad you liked it!
I am curious as to why you refer to the projecs as LXRA rather than LXRP. Whats that for?
LXRA is the level crossing removal association
LXRA is just what I remember it as for some reason, stands for Level Crossing Removal Authority
One leads the project (LXRA), one is the project (LXRP)
@ Ye, it’s just what I’m used to saying but I’ll try to use P instead, but most times I say LXRA in the video I say project right after. I think it’s not too big of a deal
Loving the mention of Penguin, but unfortunately the intersection mentioned isnt a railway going through a 4 way intersection, due to Cresent St & Surf club road not lining up. Its actually alot more interesting then a 4 way interesting, with it being mostly a skeued intersection, with both skeued streets being crossed by the railway (as they are skeued to meet the railway not avoid it). As theirs only 3-4 trains a day in each direction this set up works fine, and Surf Club road is a very minor dead end road only really used as extra parking for the town. At the other end of town theirs a more traditional skeued intersection, with Cresent Street reconnecting with Main street, and Johnsons Beach road leaving main st on the other side of the railway crossing. Devnonport does have a 4 way crossing, with North fenton st & Lower Madden st's But happy penguin got a mention, along with Ulverstone and Devonport.
Yeah I noticed this too, I was going to look for another because I knew there was one in Devonport it's just I thought it would be a bit uninteresting for Devonport to take all the spotlight since there are so many cool and undocumented crossings in Tasmania!
have you ever been to Wallaroo south Australia there used to be a crazy round about crossing but it was removed a few years back
@@TYGAMINGGGS Yes I’m aware of this! I’m pretty sure the track is still through the road but it’s sad what happened to the railway
@@sbmetro165 I don't really know what happened all I know is that some parts of the line still remain, and I think it's a good video idea to explain what happened to the line.
the reason why they are adding gates to the passive bells and lights is it allows vlos to run at 160km, thats why its not done on the mildura line and not places that dont see much service like ararat
another road that has the slewed road is neerim road and murrmbeena road
You kinda forget another disused roundabout crossing, the Eramosa road/Mooroduc highway roundabout with a disused rail line cutting across it (its on the mornington peninsula, occasionally drive by it every now and again)
@@thegamingteen44mc5 The crossing is above the roundabout, a few meters north, so it doesn’t count really.
@ oh yeah, sry, patchy memory
@ all good
Whether it counts as one or not, part of me is hoping to see it reinstated, although due west of it is a tourist line, which might complicate any plans to electrify the area (honestly my thoughts are that the peninsula is in serious need of public transport, as with the exception of the highly infrequent Stony Point line, if you want to take public transport, you’ll have to go on a select few bus lines, despite the fact that it’s only the less populated end that has the rail line)
@ I really doubt the line will reopen to passenger use. My prediction is the opposite in which the tourist railway extends to Baxter, best solution to the peninsula I reckon is to build a busway down the peninsula freeway with park and rides
Have a look atthe Mulgrave Rd crossing at Mulgrave Station on the T1 Richmond Line. Or the Garfield Rd crossing at Riverstone on the same line.
I've been to them yes
I definitely remember there being a roundabout crossing in echuca, maybe they don't use it anymore.
Yes I mention the roundabout crossing in Echuca in the video. Hasn't been used in decades
do the trains clog traffic at the roundabouts? not sure how long the freight trains are in australia, but in my town in america they can take 5+ minutes to pass. there’s a nearby intersection that i think would be a good candidate for a roundabout, except it’s near a track with frequent long freight trains and i think they would block the whole roundabout, even for traffic not crossing the tracks
@@not_angery In the city not really, although trains are quite frequent. In Mildura I’d assuming they’d be pretty annoying although they are very infrequent so it’s not too bad
At least three people have been killed at the level crossing at the Lindum Road/Kianawa Road/Sandy Camp Road/ Sibley Road crossing in Queensland you mentioned briefly. I have suggested traffic lights there as the water table is too high for an underpass and it's too built up for an overpass.
@@yogurtfluff1 Yes I’ve heard how infamous that crossing is. I remember they redid the intersection a bit since the boom gates didn’t actually cover the whole road coming from the side but I’m assuming it’s still quite the sketchy crossing
I understand that you were covering roundabouts specifically with railway crossings. But there's at least one interesting roundabout with a tram crossing in Melbourne, specifically, the one in Flemington at the intersection of Racecourse, Epsom and Ascot Vale Rds, with the tramway going from Racecourse Rd, through the middle of the roundabout, to Epsom Rd. I personally hate using this roundabout due to the strange way everything intersects. It might be an interesting video to cover tramway roundabouts in Victoria
@@quiversky4292 Ooh yes, I thought about covering these too but there is just way too many, there are a lot more than you think, but yeah there are a lot of really bad ones on main roads.
They’re purposely building them like this but with trams here in the US.
There is a roundabout crossing on the peninsula at Moorooduc.
@@VictorianRailwaysPhotography Before the tourist railway was a thing the crossing there was a normal road and the roundabout opened after the line closed
you forgot about North williamstown, before that was underground. the crossing used to be a roundabout, and a dog-bone roundabout in one
@@travpark8163 The crossing itself wasn’t on a roundabout although there were roundabouts either side of it
Pretty sure at that roundabout in Geelong it used to be the connection towards the old queens cliff line which was shut in the late 70s they’ve now made it a rail trail but the line indent is still there and I pretty sure government still owns it but yeah once you start getting closer towards queenscliff then you’ll end up finding the bellarine peninsula railway also there used to be a narrow gauge sand quarry near the line
I think I’ve seen only one level crossing go through a roundabout here in the U.S. It was in Florida I believe. I could be remembering completely wrong, though. Another thing is that the U.S. has a lot of crossings that just have the crossbuck and a yield (give way) or stop sign and nothing else.
Yes I think you are right, recently they build it
Even with the railway lifted out of the intersection Reservoir is still not great. I cannot understand why they didn't connect Broadway to Edwardes street.
Tasmania only has very rare freight traffic (except Devonport). Im sure we would have a lot more interesting intersections if we had passenger rail :c
Don’t worry, Tasmanian crossings are some of the most scenic
Level Crossing Removals Are Also Known As Grade Crossing Eliminations Some Parts Of The World Most Particularly In Argentina United States Australia For Example Most Of Argentina Province Of Buenos Aires State Of Victoria And The Main Line Of The LIRR In The United States In Long Island Had Recently A Level Crossing Removals Throughout This Decade De To High Accidents In Mineola New Hyde Park And Westbury NY To Be Honest Level Crossing Removals Have Been Increasing Around The World And It's Much Safer. I Also Think That Roundabouts She BE Eliminated And Replace Them With Intersections.
_Utterly_ amused that your examples of Americans getting this wrong are places I recognised instantly and go to regularly. Amazingly, the multilane all-way stop at the end of Calaveras in Milpitas works surprisingly well. Drivers tend to be patient and cooperative there-perhaps out of desperation?-unlike everywhere else, and somehow agree on priority.
Really, the only issue with railways crossing roundabouts is that it's not amusing _enough._ Could we also, I dunno, ford a canal? Or involve a runway, like in Gibraltar.
@@stephenspackman5573 Yeah the Calaveras one I used more since it was the first one that came to mind for some reason, it’s not usually too bad. (I used it quite a lot)
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1:00 hey that's not Australia... that's in Auckland New Zealand.
@@nebulafox1755 Yes, it is. I was using it as an example
Yes because sideways action
Why don’t we talk about why the dot want to get rid of roundabouts in general there the safest, effective and cheapest intersection to make,
There is a roundabout crossing in Fremantle, WA
I discuss that in the video lol
Why don't they just eliminate the railway crossing by building skyrail at these roundabouts? The more railway crossing that are eliminated the better things will be for motorists.
That is exactly what's happened already at Geelong and Highett (not sure if it's a skyrail) but yeah Brighton could probably do with skyrail although there are a lot of factors to consider for grade seperation and it may not be feasible to remove a lot of the crossings on the Sandringham line.