what an amazing and informative video. it's so sad to hear how corrupt it all is :( thank you for making this. lets keep streaming and purchasing their music to support our boys! they deserve it💜 apo bangpo
Its important for us as a fandom to seriously talk about these issues... RUclips, Spotify, radio stations, billboard - why they can't just stop being manipulative??
cause it's a business.. :((( you think they don't have deals with labels and radios? who listens to the radio anyway???? we have phones and laptops, who tf hears radio? radio shouldn't be a part of the BB chart consideration yet there it is, like it's 1990..................................
also Niki Minaj said that if it was only abt paying radio (payola) she'd do just that but she says it's not enough paying them: she needs to build a relationship with radios, that's why she'll never break through, cause she won't do that
This was such a mature and organized video on this subject. As a fan, I thank you for enlightening not only fans who did not know about the radio/playlisting situation but for all fans of music to ensure they know that its the artist that needs to be looked after in these situations. We are fans, we are going to support the artists who put it in work into music that has healed us or brought us joy. No one can take that away from us. Fans share their love for the music with people so that they can find the same joy. Without ARMY WORK I would have never found BTS because they were never represented enough even though they were huge globally. I dont know where I would be without them and so I m going to pay them back for that as much as I can and we keep them visible for the people who need them who havent found them just yet. Keep them around for as long as they want to be around, so they can make the music they want to make and reach the people they need to.
Thank you for this video! I know it is super frustrating to continually see our Boys get taken advantage of. It's also really sad to see how corrupt the US Charts are and how irrelevant they are showing themselves to be.😢💔 I will continue to stream and purchase the music for all 7 of them, as that has become my mission in life! GO ARMY!! 💜
Thank you for explaining this. I am a new older ARMY, so knowing that this has been the reason why a lot of Americans do not know about BTS...because they dont want us to know. They made a mistake and put them on award shows...and many of us were like.. Who are they and that began the rabbit hole. So glad I got to know them although I can't go to a concert until 2025+ I will continue to stream and motivate other Americans to learn about BTS.
Thanks for the in depth and detail explanation Rosan. You did a fantastic job. I am still so upset with what happened to Jimin. I know that we Army are always fighting to keep our boys on the charts. I want to encourage everyone to not give up and keep doing what we do to support BTS. Keep streaming and buying (if you can). 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Rosan, thank you for your video. Sorry, in advance, for the length of this response. I had to share these things. After doing a little research into Penske a few weeks ago…A few other aspects I would LOVE to see us tackle are: How BTS has helped to uncover the intention of certain entities (PMC) to monopolize all machinations of the music biz, silence the fans, and have untouchable control over artists + even the labels in the industry. Most don’t realize that PMC has been scooping up media/music industry/publishing/production companies + taking over or completely eliminating them since the early 2010’s in order to monopolize this industry. Luminate is not only owned by PMC and Eldridge Industries (I believe Eldridge Industries was taken over by Penske in 2021), but as your video noted, they were formally known as Nielsen, the most reputable and dominant data collection company for the entertainment industry for decades… and THE competitor to beat. PMC acquired and eliminated Nielsen, absorbing the competition and all its data collection technology, making Luminate the dominant data collector. So convenient to have in-house data collection to be manipulated how they want with no accountability. Rolling Stone is another example. In December 2017, Penske Media acquired a majority stake of Rolling Stone magazine from Wenner Media. The Rolling Stone Top 100 chart tracked the most popular songs of the week in the United States. (What people were really listening to) similar to BB. However, the RS chart did not include passive listening like terrestrial radio or digital radio (No Payola). The RS 100 chart was updated daily (built-in accountability), and each week Rolling Stone finalized and published an official version of the chart, covering the seven-day period ending with the previous Thursday. It was becoming a more reliable source than BB’s payola charts…until…In September of 2020, Penske brought Billboard into the fold and within 1 year, claiming that to have both charts was “internally duplicative and superfluous”, gave the RS Top 100 Chart the axe and began to throw all of its support behind BB’s Payola Charts. The final RS Top 100 chart was published 10/21/21, 2 wks after BTS + Coldplay’s ‘My Universe’ went #1 and dethroned Drake. Which brings me to my last example of PMC’s monopoly. Penske acquired Dick Clark Productions at the beginning of 2023. DCP is the production company for the Golden Globes, New Year’s Rockin’ Eve, the American Music Awards and more. This year, the AMA’s were bumped from their November date because the BBMA’s wanted the date. This move is suspect for many reasons. BB (PMC) is campaigning to to control the industry/limit the public’s voice. AMA’s are the only all fan-voted major MUSIC awards show in the US. It’s also the show where BTS won Artist of the Year 2021 (more than deserved). It was announced that the AMA’s would sit out 2023. If your goal is to silence the fans and solidify a narrative that supports the corrupt system you are trying to codify, this is how you do it. ONLY THE ARTISTS WHO’S LABELS HAVE BOUGHT INTO THE GAME will be nominated or win awards this year. This is a statement. BB seems to be drawing a line in the sand with the full support/backing of PMC. They have set it up so the industry can continue payola unchecked and are trying to do even more to silence the consumer or competitors. They have created a monopoly. They have become the main conduit through which the labels, radio, streaming services, data collection companies and charting companies (Billboard) are able to perpetuate a corrupt system with the placement on Billboard charts as the highest goal. The monopoly Penske has created with buying up Rolling Stone, dcp (AMA’s, New Year’s Rockin Eve, Golden Globes + BBMA’s) Vanity Fair, Billboard, the Hollywood Reporter and more, has made them the gatekeeper and enabler of the road to who rises or falls in this industry. Billboard charts matter because the entire industry holds these charts ridiculously sacred to the point where artists are nominated for awards according to how well they’ve performed on billboard charts. Billboard (PMC) is also monopolizing the entire music biz globally with this pay-to-play system. Quite a few K-Pop labels have purchased play-listing, radio play (Fifty-Fifty is now on the charts and even getting more radio spins than Jimin’s #1 Like Crazy) and media-play propaganda. Because the labels are paying for the spins, streams, views, subscribers, engagements that will get them higher placement on BB charts, a group like BTS and ARMY completely disrupts the entire system and they are absolutely furious about this fact. We get that. But I believe if enough of us not only make a stink about the attack on Jimin/BTS, but begin to reveal more and more of the ways in which Billboard’s parent company (PMC) has violated antitrust laws/Acts, (see links/excerpts below), although we might find a greater challenge on our hands, we may just help to finally create a more authentic and organic music industry where artists and consumers voices are heard and true artistry can be cultivated and appreciated as intended. Where no one company is able to use our resources (money, time, energy, etc) to fill up their pockets illegally or create new levels of monopolistic corruption. www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/antitrust-laws Excerpts of the Sherman, FTC Act, and Clayton Acts: Sherman Act: On the other hand, certain acts are considered so harmful to competition that they are almost always illegal. These include plain arrangements among competing individuals or businesses to fix prices, divide markets, or rig bids. These acts are "per se" violations of the Sherman Act; in other words, no defense or justification is allowed. FTC Act: The Federal Trade Commission Act bans "unfair methods of competition" and "unfair or deceptive acts or practices." The Supreme Court has said that all violations of the Sherman Act also violate the FTC Act. Thus, although the FTC does not technically enforce the Sherman Act, it can bring cases under the FTC Act against the same kinds of activities that violate the Sherman Act. The FTC Act also reaches other practices that harm competition, but that may not fit neatly into categories of conduct formally prohibited by the Sherman Act. Only the FTC brings cases under the FTC Act. Clayton Act: The Clayton Act addresses specific practices that the Sherman Act does not clearly prohibit, such as mergers and interlocking directorates (that is, the same person making business decisions for competing companies). Section 7 of the Clayton Act prohibits mergers and acquisitions where the effect "may be substantially to lessen competition, or to tend to create a monopoly." As amended by the Robinson-Patman Act of 1936, the Clayton Act also bans certain discriminatory prices, services, and allowances in dealings between merchants. The Clayton Act was amended again in 1976 by the Hart-Scott-Rodino Antitrust Improvements Act to require companies planning large mergers or acquisitions to notify the government of their plans in advance. The Clayton Act also authorizes private parties to sue for triple damages when they have been harmed by conduct that violates either the Sherman or Clayton Act and to obtain a court order prohibiting the anticompetitive practice in the future.
as a twitter army, it's so frustrating being on that app... Big corporations, fans of other artists, kpoppies, chart accounts and whatnot bully us every single day with the wildest of accusations for getting bts records that they rightfully deserve. being an army, especially one on twt, is not for the weak, and I'm glad all of us have collectively agreed on this bc it makes us stronger and more resistant. its frustrating but it always had been. don't worry guys we'll find a way. and if we don't, just like what namjoon said, let's redraw the whole entire map. love you army, love you bts 아포방포 💜
Thank you for this Rosan, very clearly explained. What people should realise is that the 'industry' is a beast that will ONLY feed it's own, and that music is not good music if you really looked at it. The reason BTS has had such success is because they've gone against the usual 'rot' that is put out. Now don't get me wrong, it's not all bad, however BTS music is about love and healing, and you'll find the industry's 'controlled' music isn't. So BTS will never be accepted for they stand for and THAT is why they have such an impact. Most new listeners/reactors cannot understand WHY BTS has such an effect on them. Oh, if only people REALLY knew what is behind all this then they wouldn't be surprised why BTS is always blocked. Not just about payment, that is one side of it. I think Army's just have to get together and buy their own radio, set up their own award shows etc and then we as true fans can love our boys and show them what they mean to us without having to resort to corrupt organisations. BTS as we always say, DON'T need them, but we want to reward their hard work. AND THEY SHOULD GET THEIR RECOGNITION, AS THAT'S ONLY RIGHT. But don't count on it! NO-ONE will ever achieve what BTS has because LOVE is at the root of it all, and LOVE always wins, grows and heals. I could go on, but at least I think fans are now waking up to what really goes on in this world (not just in music either). Hard work and goodness is not always rewarded by these organisations (didn't Suga say this once?) but ARMY's will show them different because we won't stoop to their corrupt tactics. Right, nuff said.
I just watched Yoongis live and it's so fascinating; Over 93 million Army fans dropped in and most of us don't understand Korean!! Isn't that insane, honestly? And that was probably not all Army, so we are really powerful, guys! If we support each other and BTS the sky is the limit. WE can make a difference! We can turn our backs on Billboard, because they don't matter. WE do. Billboard should be pushed for transparence, but lets not give them too much attention and frustration either. Jimin makes more money than Miley Cyrus because of us. We don't need Billboard. They need us. And sure, there were many "Yoongi marry me", but Yoongi knows that it only means that fans love him so we should not fight over it.
actually Bangtan doesn't need BB, they need us, but BB? they need us mad and angry tweeting @ em and clicking their click-baity trash articles for engagement.. Meaning they don't need to be transparent nor change anything since things go quite well for them by making us mad. The moment we understand the power we hold then BB will need us cause it'd mean ARMYs stopped engaging but.. It's been at least 5 years since we're having issues with em (Fake love) and nothing's changed.
I'm sorry, but spamming "X bts member merry me" is annoying. We need to stop using that phrase. Imagine bts coming in a live, and they're trying to explain something, and they want to know our opinions from it, and all they see is a bunch of spamming of "X bts member merry me" "go to sleep" "speak English" "X delusional ship" "Where's X bts member" "can you say X something?" Is childish and annoying
As a Senior Army(68) It so heartbreaking to see when, Army’s make breakthrough, they find a way to bring BTS down. Everything is about money. We must find a way to create our own charts. Billboard has out live it’s usefulness. It not about the Artist, it about the money. As they say it is hard to teach an old dog new tricks but RM once stated during Covid, We (BTS &Army will find a way or create our own map. BTS and Army stay strong. We got each other’s back. PS Thank you for explaining everything so clearly. As an army, I learn something new every day. 💜💜💜
Thank you for making this summary video and for speaking up about this matter. I'm sure this will inform new armys that weren't aware of this and maybe will helped to non-fans as well to understand why we act like "bots" why we are so protective over BTS. I watched the 'Billboard Corrupt' video from planet army like 10 days ago and I'm glad you talked about the same thing here and give us encouragement as well. 💜 I know all of this is upsetting and trust me, I'm SO frustrated too. The fact Radio payola now weights more than actual fans and other people paying to listen to those songs is ridiculous to me. As a 2016 Army this is really frustrating because I know BTS have gone through so much sht since then and even since their debut. The fact the way the world and other people treat BTS hasn't change is honestly upsetting. They may be the biggest group in the world right now but having a successful career doesn't mean that they just stop struggling. Now they have more hypocrite and jealous people around them, companies trying to drag them down, fake people that treat them good now that they have money but treated them like sht when they were "nobodies". And the fact Bangtan still act so kind towards these people says a lot about how big their hearts are. Many people wouldn't, many people wouldn't forgave them. Anyway, it hurts to know that the music industry is full of corruption now and full of racist and xenophobic people. We Armys have done our best buying, supporting BTS in different platforms and asking radio station. It's NOT our fault they refuse to play their songs and it's not BTS fault either because the guys have done nothing wrong. Their artistry is amazing, their music is good, they spread positive messages and they are incredibly talented. And what it's even more sad and frustrating is that Army always try their best to show to the world these issues but we get zero response. That sht can happen to any other artists and some of these ridiculous rules are directly affecting smaller artists too but the industry and people are ignoring us just because it's about the members of BTS. (?) This unfortunately makes me lose faith and I am disgusted by all the unprovoked hate. When these types of sabotages happen to other white artists, the platforms, the general public and the media response is totally different.. like wtf. Look, even Post Malone's father has called out Spotify for that and the worst thing is that they haven't fixed that problem for Jimin yet. This is so wrong. No matter how much they change their rules and try to drag them down, we will not allow that and after all, Bangtan doesn't need their help to increase streams. They are the ones that can really sold out stadiums in minutes globally. Like I said, BTS and Army only have each other and we both have gone though so many hardship but we always find the way to keep going. We will adapt and find the way to keep BTS at the top and make them succeed as always because they deserve it. I'm not saying that a number or getting certain awards will define how good they are because this is a corrupt industry but doing our best is a way of showing our support and reciprocate the love to them because BTS have already gave us so much happiness, strength and comfort with their music, messages, content and more. 💜 Sorry for my long comment.
Thank you for doing this. For BB to drastically filter ONLY the sales of Jimin in the middle of the week is quite fascinating. They do because they can, without any explanation to us. Kinda scary. You may say BTS doesn't need BB, but BB is necessary for creating what ends up being legacy. We do want that for BTS. I read an article yesterday in the new K-Pop "edition" of BB magazine and it said the K-Pop industry can still be considered successful without placing on the US charts. I thought, don't they know that the K-Pop industry is already successful? It was so condescending, like they were trying to be reassuring about success, but no worries, we just don't want you on our BB chart. What are they going to come up with next? ARMYs are so adaptable,(one of our many super powers,) so I'm confident we can change as we need to. I appreciate your hard work in making this. Fighting!
Not to worry. We're making our own history; we're going to be the fandom that declared independence from US chart rankings and radio and corrupt industry constantly changing the rules on us. We're 90m strong, from every country in the world; we are the general public. We sell out multiple stadium shows in 2 hours, dominate movie theater show events, crash live-streams with the sheer weight of numbers, and take over entire cities for a week at a time. 💜 The US music industry is turning into a locals-only fiasco, and they know it. Forbes said it when Dynamite didn't get the grammy: "Who really needs whom?" The music industry is desperate for people to tune in to radio, desperate for album sales- and yet they're deliberately trying to sideline the biggest, most beloved group in the world and working as hard as they can to offend the biggest fandom in the world. Well, karma ain't an ARMY for nothing, eh? 😏
Another amazing explanation video! Thank you, Rosan 💜. We as ARMY have the power, if not to change, at least make an impact on this system. They will continue calling us annoying and bots, but in the end, what matters is for us to find the best way to support BTS.i
Thank you for this. For doing the research and providing us with all this information. We wouldn’t know the “truth” behind Billboard’s ranking system without videos like yours. It hurts me to hear RM say he feels rejected by the American charting system. We need to keep fighting.👊💜
The music industry in the west , especially the US, cannot stand the fact that BTS are succeeding without them, and they are not making big profits off of it. BTS absolutely does not need Billboard or a Grammy to be one of the world’s most popular and successful groups, if not THE most popular and successful. And that is a huge slap in the face to the music industry, which is so corrupt, and who controls everything BUT BTS! We do not need you billboard! I hope when BTS reunites, they completely turn their backs on these shows that just exploit BTS for their own gains.
Thank you Rosan for this video. As an ARMY from outside US, I can only imagine the disappointment you guys are feeling knowing you did your best in all possible ways to support our boys. It's not just BB we are battling these days. YT and Spoti** are making it hard for us, too. I couldn't really digest why this is all happening but may we find strength and motivation to keep moving in unison especially now that our boys will rest for a while. One more thing, with all these happening, our community is also being shaken by solos making it hard to achieve great results for solo releases. But as Joonie said "The ARMY and BTS are strong". We can make things possible if we are working together.
I can't speak about Spot, but on YT, there's always been a rule of 'X views per viewer, per video, per 24 hours'. I now hear that channels that buy in to YT's advertising get their views counted correctly, but channels that don't- like HYBE and BangtanTV- get a lot of views...subtracted. I *think* it means there is a cap on total views each day, and if it looks like an MV will go over, they chop a few hundred-thousand off. (I think that's why a lot of K-pop tops out at 10-13m views in their first 24 hours. Very suspicious that all the different fandoms end up near the same total!) But I don't know that for sure, and it's almost impossible to test out.
@@ystrw That's interesting it would be great if we could find out just what RUclips are doing. I know if I like an MV I'll watch it a few times a day while doing other things. Occassionally I might even watch the same MV and then straight away rewatch it, however mostly I watch then maybe later in the day watch again. But I sometime's I might watch 3 or 4 different MV's 2-4 times a day depending on what I'm doing.
The saddest part is now it would be more difficult for other foreign groups and artists to achieve any charting if not backed up by payola, dismissing the importance of the fan support and engagement
I really appreciate the hard work you have pour in making this video. It explained clearly what is going on and why BTS vs Billboard should be the hot topics in the music scene. #1 spots is no longer organic instead geared up strategically by radios/label depending on how much they been paid. At the end of the day it’s only effect their favourite artist. The hit songs that been cultivate based on spins, radio play, playlist etc only means not much income can be made by said artist since they 1st have to pay for the song to heard by vast audience. Personally I believe if I have been listening to it so many times in radio, I won’t be bothering buying the physical/digital album cause I hear it for free anyway. For BTS, as a fan I would always chips in and do my part to support their creative freedom & independent thoughts of all OT7 by continue to buy their albums, stream & go to their concerts. Thou the later is getting tougher these days, getting tickets is like battle field!!! Anyway, I would like to say thank you sm for this video. It is organised and well put together. 32:33 Spitting the truth! Our impact is so big that the industry fear us.
Thank you for this explanatory video about the issue that BTS faces with Billboard, it clarifies many things for us. In part, sales with a single consumer also increase because the shipping costs on the weverse platform are very high, sometimes they cost more than the cost of the album and once it arrives in Mexico, for example, additional taxes must be paid as well. that I am particularly buying from companies that are in charge of buying albums through weverse or buy in the USA and the shipping cost is absorbed between the buyers and this reduces the final cost for the fans... if it were not so expensive to buy directly from Korea would continue to do so by this means But as frustrating as the whole situation is, I continue to stream and buy albums because BTS sees our support regardless of whether they make it to the Billboard charts or not, as you say, I'm interested in them being able to make the music they want and that they know that we are going to connect with them, that we listen to their message, that they know that we love them and we value their music... it would be great if this sabotage of the music industry in the USA changes but what matters most to me is that BTS knows that the Army supports them, that they feel loved and appreciated by us Regards from México. Borahae 💜
Thank you 🙏🏼🥰 for the details explanation. I was getting very frustrated w. BB, Spotify & RUclips. The music market is REALLY trying HARD to keep BTS Down. Because they refuse to play their PAYOLA games. Which is why I’m So Proud to be 💜ARMY💜 💪🏼💯😎
OMG, Celeste, the video was such an eye-opener, everything became clearer about what happened with Jimin's "Like crazy"........but , inspite of all these manipulations , Jimin still created history and that simply cannot be erased !!
Thank you for this enlightenment, the industry is so corrupt in my view it’s sad because why should our Favourite artists our BTS be discriminated against, or Exiled and dropped from any chart or billboard, we Army need to remain strong and continue to love and support our boys BTS💜
It’s absolutely wild to me that songs playing on the radio because they were paid to be is somehow organic and a fan base actually buying the music is manipulation. Make it make sense. How in the hell is supporting an artist with your own dollars manipulation, and artists being played based on corporate money organic? If this were happening with some random white artist who’s fans fight hard for them, I feel like no one would question it. But because it’s a Korean group, suddenly it’s chart manipulation and has to be stopped. The xenophobia runs deep.
@@fi0rella It should still matter bc there are many talented artists that get screwed over. That said, I understand you probably don't care about other artists :P
@@JoelErway-pq9ij yes they get screwed over, so why caring? let's say BB was being organized by someone the artist respects, it would make sense.. but it's the establishment, radio, platforms, corporations like.. why giving them more power than what they have? ARMY figured out how to make em chart, BB don't like it cause the boys don't owe the establishment anything. It's corrupt and dirty and has 0 to do with music and all to do with $$. Bangtan was having a stadium tour a year and a half before they hit their 1st Nº 1.. will they be any less popular for not getting it again? No. BB means nothing, I'm glad the boys seem to be over it though but I know we as fans (ARMYs+others), can't let go cause they still 'might care' a bit eh... it's frustrating
Oh wow. Thank you for this video. For years I bought the Billboard magazine & kept up but in the 90s the music started sounding the same and bs music, music that wasn't even good music, was being promoted. Now I just thought I was getting older and lost interest in the younger artist but realized, when I expanded my base to other countries, that the quality of the American music scene was just being manipulated by big business. Didn't know the details but you have explained them most excellently. Thank you for your hard work!
Yes! I noticed it really started around when Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Backstreet Boys, Nsync were all around. Very late 90s, early 2000s. They were all so similar in their ways. And there were more performers still added like 98 degrees and Lindsay Lohan. Wait, maybe this was a Simon Cowell thing 🤔 Also the rock and metal categories in award shows were way more pop sounding than actual rock or metal, and that's when rock started to die in the radio scene. I did like my 90s music, but I was in jr/Sr high school then so didn't notice who really got the promotions. I had my Def lepard, Metallica, Motley Crue, TLC, Pearl Jam, Fugees etc cds. I just kept playing them till they wore out 😅
Thank you for the vid!! With all the “big (but not so big) noise” about the fandom I know there are Army’s like myself that will always support BTS & all of you fans that are out there speaking about the unfairness our guys always face. Their solo projects are the fruits of all our hard work as in streaming & buying their records. When I first heard BTS back in 2018 I heard 2 songs & was hooked on their unique sound, artistry, lyrics, messages behind it. The support we give them which the members know they thank us with mind blowing music they put out. Although it may be frustrating & the battle feels lost don’t let it sway you let’s continue to support this amazing group & show the world that Army will always back BTS because BTS never disappoint to give back what we loved so much about them which is their music!! I mean of course there’s so much more but we all know. ARMY “FIGHTING” 💜💜💜
Such a perfect video! And guys, please don't ever ask bts to pay for radio or playlisting, that would go against bts' ideals and values that they had taught us all these years, they won't be part of that corrupt system, because they are against that themselves
Thank you for this video. You have explained such complicated system so simple to understand. Now we understood what to do. Gear up Armys and support BTS. It's our time to shine.
thanks, rosan. i appreciated your turning the depressing facts of the US music industry as a place for the non-creators to suck the creators dry, into a shout out to the Armys who have always been there to support BTS. As a 2 year BTS Army, I am more than grateful to all y'all for, as you said, helping BTS to be so strong that the individual artists can produce their own creative ventures. I think BTS & Army are a force on this planet that brings sunshine to a cloudy day, & happiness to so many hearts. Borahae!
Go Celeste. On point as always.💜 This is an excellent summary of why it’s so vital for ARMYs to buy BTS’s music & go see them on tour - so they can continue to release the meaningful music they want to and enjoy chart success, without being beholden to US radio stations who operate pay for play schemes.
Thank you so much for your research and clear explanation. It’s clear BTS is being sabotaged. BTS are grown men with amazing talents and work extremely hard. They create music that has meaning. I listen to a wide range of music genres and artists, many that are played on the radio. BTS albums are the only albums I buy and I don’t even own a CD player. However, I want them to continue to be able to make music I enjoy and make a profit.
I am bawlinggg T-T Thank you for putting this video out. No matter what happens in the future, I am truly proud and grateful to be part of the BTS ARMY!
What Jimin accomplished with no external influence/help is HISTORIC, that shows us how amazing and talented he really is, To reach #1 against all odds ….nothing but Historic. Let’s keep supporting Jimin as he opened the door for other artist.
Like many ARMYs have said, we (and that includes BTS) don't need Billboard but they need us. Why? Just look how they need our names for clicks and attention from media. However, BTS DO need us, so let's keep fighting. Like Namjoon said "We'll find a way, we always have. If there's no way, we'll redraw the map." And like all of BTS have done since even before their debut and how ARMYs have been doing since their debut, let's keep fighting. They don't deserve our energy, much less our attention and time. We'll keep fighting. We can still crawl you guys. Thank you for all your efforts until now, but we're still not done! :) ♥ If you can’t fly, then run Today we will survive If you can’t run, then walk Today we will survive If you can’t walk, then crawl Even if you have to crawl, gear up - Not Today
This will make bb irrelevant if we, fans, continue to support the artists we love regardless of BB results. BTS is BTS regardless of BB’s very corrupted and twisted results. Thank you for your effort to explain this in details. I hope all fandom will spread this video so fans of all artists won’t get discouraged by the toxic manipulation of bb and their ecosystem. Let’s continue to move mountains!
Great video, lets all share it far and wide!!! It needs to be seen by everyone, not just BTS fans. This issue affects all fans of all music. Keep up the great work! 💜
Great video! Thank you so much Rosan for this clear explanation of this issue facing not only BTS but all artists. As always it will be ARMY and BTS together.....Fighting! 💜
Thank you very much for this very informative video . I’m so proud to be a part of this dedicated and supportive ARMY. No matter what they do to pull down BTS, nothing can ever change the fact that BTS has broken records left and right in the music world . Jimin had achieved the number 1 spot in the Hot 100 Billboard without any radio play and collaboration with the strong support from his fans . No one can ever ever change the fact that Jimin has set a record in the history of Billboard. As an ARMY, let’s all continue to support BTS, it’s what they truly deserve . ARMY forever 💜💜💜💜💜💜
Yes, yes, YES! I really don’t know what we can do to fix this. It makes me feel defeated every time we break the system and the change the rules. It’s a never ending game of them not wanting BTS in the charts, it’s sabotage. It’s very obvious why this is happening and I think it’s deeper than just fans having control, and maybe I’m diving more into conspiracy territory. The entertainment industry is a dark place, I can’t imagine what BTS have probably seen and lived through, artists give up everything for fame when people in power ask them for anything and bts decided not to play that game. BTS are not willing to do everything for fame, they maintain to have their views and ethics, that’s the difference.
It's about the money. It's always about the money. If the American music industry in no way shape or form can capitalize on an Artist, they're cut. It's why they won't win a Grammy. Grammys (and Oscars) are all about the under handed "bribes". Though a few genuine artists fall through and win still. But most western artists know that they have to play the game to be successful. Eminem is one that won once, and still refuses to play the games. (Don't see him at no1 either, even though everyone knows him) This is what you get from capitalism. A lot of corrupt and greedy corporations.
We all know that all these companies will change anyway and anytime to fit their needs and wants for their pockets but what can we do about it is the biggest question. We can’t seem to win to be fair. We can only do our part and keep raising our voices.
It feels like radio and chart manipulation happens in every country with significant music industry. It's so sad and frustrating that good artists can't be popular. There are so many independent musicians, with brilliant talent. We are lucky and unlucky at the same time for being ARMY. Music industry everywhere is afraid of us. We have the power of a small country! We can do this let's fight the system. I live in UK, does anyone have accurate information about charts and radio spins in here? XCeleste thank you for this amazing video, it makes me miss Tannies even more. Have a lovely day or night. 💜💜💜
Yes Radio here in the UK to be able to be on air have to pay a structured amount every 6months to either of the two royality orangisation that then pay the artists for every radio spin their songs receive. Note it's much higher amount per spin compared to the streaming sites. The amount per spin is calculated on the size of the radio station and it's 'Listeners/auidence reach eg airways space'. This 'royality payment' has to be paid as part of the ability to hold a radio station license. Eg don't pay your 6 monthly bill you can't go on air. This is to protect artist rights to their music.
Thank you so much for untangling all these things. I just recently got into BTS and it's the best thing happened to me. I'm not able to buy the albums or songs on streaming platforms yet but I'll make sure to do that within a year or so. BTS is really an anomaly and no one will ever be able to achieve what they have. 💜ᗷTS⟭⟬💜 💜🅐🅡🅜🅨⁷⟬⟭💜 forever...
Great video! It’s an example that American artist and their producers/companies are defending their market and wouldn’t allowed anybody to enter it. That’s why we hear on the radio dump songs over and over again. BTS are allowed to be played on the radio only in collaborations and/or singing in English. I only can imagine how Jimin was devastated after this rule affected LC. I wouldn’t call myself an army, but I am huge fan of BTS. Several years ago when I discovered them, I was wondering how come they are selling stadiums, but I never heard them on the radio? Well, now I know. This video explains in deep how this industry is running. It needs subtitles to reach larger audience. Bravo, girl!
This is why everyone needs to stop turning on the radio at all. It's essentially dead but record labels are determined to keep it going just to get their artist at no1. But if they have no listeners.... Automatically have your phone connected and streaming come up in your car or have an independent radio station that does not play any type of top 100 hits. If you hear a song over and over again, change what you listen too, they stations are getting paid
Thank you so much for this video. I think during this time when BTS are in a “between” state while they serve in the military and complete their solo journeys, it’s so important to continue to have updated educational content for baby ARMYs as they join the fandom. I didn’t know any of the ins and outs of music industry and charting until I became an ARMY over 3 years ago. It’s so helpful for people to understand where we’re all coming from and why we still fight the good fight for BTS. I see so many newer fans thinking it doesn’t matter because of how famous they are, but their fame is not the point.
I totally agree with every single point and I'm so frustrated when like crazy dropped out from hot 10 ......... Billboard don't even try to hide this they openly saying by their actions that it's their choice which song should be in top 10 they sudden changed their rules they filtered our streams at max they want...... Paying for radio is totally fine rather fans buying their music or stream...... what the heck is going on what people claim that armys are manipulating the charts just because we buy their songs digitally or physically......yes there are few army who mass buy songs but do we have another option they closed every door for us radio didn't play BTS songs youtube views doesn't getting count Spotify didn't count remix so what can we do 😅😅😅😅 I didn't even mentioned about youtube freezing views or deleting and at what rate our streams are filtered 😢😢😢 This is such a critical situation these illegal practices really affect independent artist And I saw on Twitter how antis making fun of jimin had they lost their mind what if the same thing happened with their fav artists 😢 I hope everyone took this issue seriously this things are just getting worst I want people to come together and support the every artist who are honest with their music 💜💜💜💜Army we will find a way to get out of this problem Fighting 😊😊💜💜
So I live in Orlando and grew up listening to XL 106.7 (shown at 17 mins in your video). I was so disappointed and my heart dropped when I first heard their comments about purposely not playing BTS. What disgusting behavior
I stopped listening to radio literally 20+ years ago. When i got first an MP3 player I could listen to the music i wanted loaded up while driving (used to drive a lot for work) and then in turn when i got a vehicle with a working CD player, it changed everything. I used to get so sick and tired of the same old (actually old) songs being played over and over and over again. Plus then the radio stations are these long 9 minute commercial breaks and they hardly ever tell you who sang the song so you can go look for it in the stores) It was stupid! If i listen to the radio in the car now its just because i got bored of my cd and cant change it while driving so turn the radio on for a few mins but still its songs from older groups who got huge and must still be paying payola. Radio is all but dead. I use my cd’s and youtube where i can make my own playlist which i call my random collection of awesome songs. Its everything i like as i come across new stuff i add it. I have no need of radio and no need of these stupid messed up systems that don’t support actual musicians and their art. I thought radio was supposed to be the way to broadcast and introduce new music to the listener but at some point, --> long ago
Thank you for making this video. It was well-presented and objective. More people need to realize that the music they are consuming is fed to them by rich businessmen who are looking to get richer. And fans supporting the artists is nothing to be ashamed of. ARMYs - please keep supporting BTS by buying their songs because it is clear that radio will only play songs that profit them and not songs that are actually in demand.
There are other factors like the mass deletion of youtube views and the splitting of the 2 versions on spotify which affected the streaming figures. There is more than meets the eye regarding this billboard issue. Army should still continue to push Like Crazy past all these obstacles and keep it on the charts just to show them the power of army
This was so informative and your explanation was so detailed. This whole BB corruption has been bothering me as of late and wondered how they count numbers. Now I fully understand and even angrier for what happened to Jimin. It's hypocrisy isn't it? Fans purchasing their artists music is considered chart manipulation, yet payola isn't??? So moronic.
Thank you so much for this video. It is insane that is this happening. BTS (and so many artists) have worked so hard on their music and art and deserve to have it heard, appreciated and supported (FAIRLY) by not only their fan base, but people everywhere. I have not listened to the radio in so long, mainly because I was so sick of the same songs being played over and over again, and clearly nothing has changed. Let's continue to stream and buy their songs and albums! ARMY 💜BTS 💜💜💜
thank you for this video, this explains a lot, even though I shed many tears, it let my blood boil, they have the power to keep changing the rules, no matter what we do, they don't like the power we hold as a fandom..so let's just changes this and that. this hurts, it is disappointing and most of all very frustrating. But We will continue to fight together as a fandom for our boys so that they always see/feel how much respect and love we have for them, how grateful we are for the music they given us, for all their months/years, incl the lack of sleep, and all their distressed moments!, no matter what the charts do..one thing is for sure, that's that BTS and ARMY are 1 , and we will not giving up on what we work for we continue to support and protect our boys from all trolls, haters, etc. As Namjoon once said "the army we know and the BTS you'll all know we are strong, literally strong" let's stay strong together ARMY! hwaiting APOBANGPo 🫶🏼💜💜
thank you so much xCeleste for this explanation, it's just so unjust what they do to our boys, we army will always make our boys come out on top no matter what. Like BTS SONG SAYS "SO WHAT". 💜💜💜
Bravo! You explained this so well and really showed how not only the charts are heavily controlled by the industry but also how ARMYs became such an organized force who know how to use sns to communicate and buy BTS's music. Truth is: radio and billboard created the monster that is ARMYs' buying power because they othered them for so many years.
Ugh as infuriating as it is I'M SO HAPPY ARMYS LIKE YOU EXPLAIN THIS! Thank you so much. The ending really made me cry and realise how far we've come. We'll keep fighting and keep supporting our boys. At the end of the day, I also want to say that all these charts and numbers dont really mean anything and do not represent music or artists or fans accurately. I'd frankly like to boycott them. Idk if that's possible but yes, why support a system that is false? People are losing their faith in the music industry and the labels are scared of this. Scared of real fans. It's so ironically funny. Anyway whatever happens in the future or whatever happened in the past, bts has won it all. The biggest award an artist can win is having a positive impact on people and winning their love and support. Bts has already done that and continue to do that. I'm so proud of them and I'm so proud of this fandom. Let's keep going for a long time and continue shocking the world ok? 😎
Why dont we. Lets boycott. #screwcapitalistscamygrammy #screwcapitalistsbillboard #screwcapitalistradiostations #screwcapitalistmusicindustry. I say lets do it. Lets boycott. Lets stop watching award shows and platforms that are toxic and watch as it plummits. Lets boycott payola. I think we can. Lets do it.
Thank you so much for this Xceleste. I was so surprised and confused. It is so not fair but we love Jimin and BTS. I wondered why it kept being number 1 other places. Thanks again !!!💜
Hi, i am back. Great video. Sad topic but the info is much needed. This is important. I shared on twt. So glad u could make this. Love seeing Brooke as a source. She knows so much. Hope one day she can interview u for her podcast. U should talk about this with other reactors on a podcast. We need to continue and share this info with fans. Hugs. -NY USA 2019 Army💟
Thank you so very much for that great explanation. Very sad that artists are brainwashed to believe paying the power hungry greedy corp co is the only way to make money instead of good old fashion record/album sales. We can look at this as Discrimination towards BTS but looking at the grand scheme of things, it also is a discrimination towards all artists who want to make great and meaningful music for there fans. Having songs that are sampled from 70’s, 80’s & 90’s songs/artists top the billboard charts while artist making awesome original songs/lyrics/music with real meaning are being ignored is ridiculous! Dont get me wrg, I love my old hits and love that artist in this day and age love those hits as well. But it seems that most of the songs repeating on the radio are those that have samples of earlier records…not so original people! Let’s continue to support our boys and even if they don’t get the recognition they deserve, lets make sure their impact in music and their fanbase is UNDENIABLE!💜💜💜💜
I love all tour Explanations videos. This whole Billboard 100 changes is manipulation is frustrating and confusing to those that dont follow along. Jimin worked hard for his solo album and these Billboard bullies just pushed him off 😡😡. I'mso MAD!! In my 45 yrs, it's my 2nd time buying a physical album from an artist that I admire and Love. Thank you again for the detail explanation of what happened.
Thanks for the info. It's sad yet real, I'm not surprised given the Payola system in America is crazy big. Money, power, and greed aptly demonstrated in 'Haegeum'. Suga sure knows how to hit home with their reality as artists and humans.
I've never heard Jimin's like crazy on the radio in my country. People can argue that's because it's in korean but I've heard BP's shutdown almost everytime I turn on the radio 🤔. The discrimination does not only happened to BTS but our local artists as well. It's always the same song, the same artists on the radio. Not to mention the ads...it's frustrating😢. I used to drive to work and I listened to radio during that time. It's a half an hour drive but I can only get 3 songs out of the 30 minutes drive. Most of it are ads. So I guess the first rule on the radio is who pays more. I stopped listening to radio on daily basis now. It's no longer relevant. Tq for the video and the thorough explanation. Keep up 👍☺
Seems like whatever we do to try and "support" BTS, if we have to rely on these avenues, they'll just keep suppressing our efforts. What if we did something unheard of? Like what if BTS goes on a world tour, and sells out stadiums, and they don't even need to sing and dance. They just need to be there for like 1 hour and talk to the fans in these stadiums? I'm sure fans will still buy these tickets (preferably at a cheaper pricetag), but wouldn't that send a strong message? That they can strip us of all these "achievements", but BTS will still remain on top? Picture the headlines "BTS Sells out World Tour in Stadiums without having to perform". And the videos are literally of them standing/sitting there for an hour just having a conversation with fans. and think of the merch they will sell. We can break records for most tickets sold, most merch sold, and the artist didnt' even have to perform. obviously it'll be nice if they do perform, but i'm talking about sending a message here. This way the $$ is actually going into their pockets and not some corrupt radio station anyways. Or the proceeds and go towards promotions, or perhaps creating another platform that is NOT corrupt. BTS understands the corruption involved, and it seems to me like they're over it too. Other then Grammy's they've gotten all the awards out there already. let's give them something more crazy then a Grammy. I'm already expecting it, but when they reunite after military service, let's break records for their world tour. Let's put everyone else to shame. When they had their Vegas concerts last year, didn't locals say that they've never seen the city like that before? Everything became BTS related. Let's do that EVERYWHERE! So over the top that these corrupt execs can't even walk out of their house without seeing or hearing something BTS related. 🤣
Oh, BTS could totally do that- ARMY would be delighted to get an hour or two of the guys just being chaotic and chatty. Maybe they could do some kind of Live Run BTS episode, fans included...that'd be so much fun. I keep wishing HYBE would cut ties with most of the viewing and streaming platforms, pull their content off (all the HYBE groups, not just BTS), and host it all on their own view and stream platform. It'd take some work to get Weverse to where it could handle so much traffic, but I think they could do it, and they could institute a proper view-count, like 'unique views' and 'repeat views'. No filtering, no fake reporting of video content, and a strict moderator system to manage the trolls and antis. I take absolute glee in thinking about the massive crash in view/stream numbers as ARMYs relocate. YT claims BTS content accounts for 20m views a day; I'm sure they'd find it was a lot more than that once we left.
@@ystrw I believe starting their own platform and pulling their content off RUclips and other streaming platforms will be the big move, but it will probably be several steps down the road. It seems to me like BTS is still trying to be the good big brother and use their fame and popularity to help other lesser known artists. They are trying to pave the way for other K-pop artists, pop or indie. So right now, they still need these outlets to help other artists be known to the general public (globally). Once a few more artists/groups become popular, i think would be a better time and more detrimental to these platforms. I do hope other artists/labels can unite with HYBE and BTS and prepare to do something like this, but seeing how till this day they don't show BTS much respect, coz of their egos, so i don't know if they'd be willing to take that step. even if they say they are, i don't even know if we can trust their word.
@@eileencritchley4630 That's a fair point... although there will still be all the fan channels, interviews, special shows and reactions, newcomers don't usually search those. Perhaps the company could leave up the one or two most-viewed videos from each era, with directions to Weverse (or wherever) for 'the rest of the album / album trilogy'. I mean, I *would* hate to see Mic Drop lose it's 1B viewing distinction... Now that's a thought, keep up every vid with 1B+?
I am always appreciative when you make videos like this. You provide important and accurate facts from real sources. Thank you. I wish this can translate into Korean with a Korean thumbnail so all those ignorant Korean medias and people can see the real picture how hard Armys and BTS work and how the American music industries work. The music industries in Korea and in the US work the same ways that if you don't go through their regular systems (meaning don't pay them and didn't use their power), artists don't get anywhere. BTS is the first artist who became sucessful without this norm and all music industries (US and Korea both) got surprised and try to reject them as much as possible. A double whammy for BTS and Army.
Thank you for this enlightening video. Billboard and those who make the decisions there, should be ashamed of themselves. What honour and decency , and purpose is there when money rules your game?
Celeste: Thank you so much for taking the time to research this and present it to us; you are incredible! Your encouragement is so sweet! Borahae! 💜💪🏻💜
Thank you for explaining again the disparity that our boys are getting. They are much more blatant with their xenophobia. I haven't seen Suga's listed on the Billboard. Even more frustrating are these new reactors for clicks that doesn't do their due diligence in BTS music and listening to one documentary like it's some kind of tick about BTS. They keep screwing up their numbers without adhering to 24 hrs rule to watch their new videos! Perhaps, if you have the time, to do an update about the intro of the boys, they are now men! Keep up the great work! Borahae!
Thank you. I was just looking at the numbers on the videos I get that Amygdala is not rising fast due to the warning on it but the fact that Haegeum is not rising is perplexing. I checked out other kpop groups and the #s are going when then dont have the fan base Suga has (and I'm not referring to Army necessarily because a lot of solos don't really support other members so that would cut it) which probably amount to about the same as a new group. So how are the #s so low? Like crazy haven't reached 100 views yet like WTF!!! Someone elses video did though and at 1st I brushed it off as we have alot of MVs and content right now but come on its pretty concerning
I am so, so proud that young people realize that corporate corruption (in the sistem capitalista)controls them from listening and seeing ARTE...ARMY is cultural revolution and BTS has a treasure for their whole life..I wish they knew everything what do the ARMY DO FOR THEM?
Thank you for explaining it in simple way. In a way, it is so sad that radio stations are made that way. I think Jealousy as well makes them act like that. Thanks goodness we ARMY are solid enough to support BTS. I hope everyone will continue to do so and wait patiently for the 7 members when they are together. I am saving money already for the upcoming concert (crossing finger) in 2025!!
Thank you for the explanation xCeleste. It was hard to listen to because we know it’s a broken system and these people who run this system do not care. But at the same time, I feel that we need to keep making noise until changes are made for BTS and other artists to be given a fair chance and validation for their art and hard work.
Thank you Rosan for this informative video. It's very well explained for all the Army who don't kow about/or don't really understand this corrupt system.
The thing that sucks is that they have shown that they don't care about us, they will be blatant about their dishonesty and manipulation with no explanation and expect that it won't matter because BTS are korean and so they stir the pot of discrediting both them and army as outsiders/bots/crazy fandom so that our voice won't matter to who they consider as the GP (passive listeners who won't challenge their ecosystem, american industry insiders.). if they can just not count sales on a whim or have shady criteria (which they conveniently mostly only started changing in response to fans purchasing music and messing up their cushy system), then there isn't much we can do except to keep buying and being loyal music consumers to show in the actual data how skewed their chart is. even if bts never chart high again (doubtful), at least our purchases will show how messed up it is that the charts are valuing passive listening and criteria that don't benefit musicians over actual money, loyalty and support for the people who make music. Other musicians only dream of a fanbase like ours, both for money and for their music to be actually appreciated and heard. So we can still make history with our support even if we only see the benefit of it years down the line when the rules start negatively impacting some white artist, 'the gp' start feeling like they have to pay attention, and then they can see all of ARMY's data as more evidence for how corrupt billboard has been for years. If we give up all together at charting/streaming/buying, it gives the system exactly what it wants and that's for us to shut up and disappear into some niche kpop market again. they want us demoralized so that we stop supporting artists we love, because they want the power to control who the public 'loves'. if a label can 'buy' radio or streaming support for a number one or top ten hit, but then bts releases in the same week and fans put them at number one instead, it pisses some powerful music industry people off and upsets their system. the only way to reveal it is to keep buying/streaming, be loud, and hope one day someone 'important' decides that it's too embarrassing to keep degrading the legitimacy of their chart for this system, or hope that they get bad publicity or labels decide it's not worth the payola anymore if they get caught out like this or beat by bts and decide to be more honest in the system. but it may never happen. either way, we want bts to be able to make the music they want to make, and for the doors to be open to them for as long as possible, and we are putting our foot in the door for them and forcing it open by buying while the corrupt industry tries to close it. If only people would listen to us and realize this is a bigger issue than just ARMY and BTS being screwed over, artists can't make money anymore, and that means they can't control their careers or music, and the decision making is in people's hands who only want power and don't care about artists. if all fanbases would recognize this and start buying music or being loud about it, it would benefit the artists they claim to love so so so much. even indy artists would be able to keep going if people just realized how far buying their albums or concert tickets goes for them instead of mindlessly relying on radio or streaming.
Yes as artists receive only pennies from streaming it's disgusting how little they get. UK radio plays far more to the artist per spin then do streaming services.
Thank you for the detailed explanation of "the charting situation". Your clear calm voice made it enjoyable to listen to but still frustrating to hear.
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what an amazing and informative video. it's so sad to hear how corrupt it all is :( thank you for making this. lets keep streaming and purchasing their music to support our boys! they deserve it💜 apo bangpo
here here!
Well said❤
Our guys always use the word fighting! Armies have a love and respect BTS! We will be here no matter what!
Its important for us as a fandom to seriously talk about these issues... RUclips, Spotify, radio stations, billboard - why they can't just stop being manipulative??
cause it's a business.. :((( you think they don't have deals with labels and radios? who listens to the radio anyway???? we have phones and laptops, who tf hears radio? radio shouldn't be a part of the BB chart consideration yet there it is, like it's 1990..................................
also Niki Minaj said that if it was only abt paying radio (payola) she'd do just that but she says it's not enough paying them: she needs to build a relationship with radios, that's why she'll never break through, cause she won't do that
Sooo true in every word 💜🫶🏻💫
Money
Money makes you do crazy things
This was such a mature and organized video on this subject. As a fan, I thank you for enlightening not only fans who did not know about the radio/playlisting situation but for all fans of music to ensure they know that its the artist that needs to be looked after in these situations.
We are fans, we are going to support the artists who put it in work into music that has healed us or brought us joy. No one can take that away from us. Fans share their love for the music with people so that they can find the same joy. Without ARMY WORK I would have never found BTS because they were never represented enough even though they were huge globally. I dont know where I would be without them and so I m going to pay them back for that as much as I can and we keep them visible for the people who need them who havent found them just yet. Keep them around for as long as they want to be around, so they can make the music they want to make and reach the people they need to.
Well said!!!!!! 💜
Exactly right.
This is what being an ARMY is.
Thank you for this video! I know it is super frustrating to continually see our Boys get taken advantage of. It's also really sad to see how corrupt the US Charts are and how irrelevant they are showing themselves to be.😢💔
I will continue to stream and purchase the music for all 7 of them, as that has become my mission in life! GO ARMY!! 💜
Five down ... two to go ... ApoBangpo 💜
Absolutely!!!!💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Same! Supporting all 7 through sales and streaming. ApoBangpo! Borahae!
Thank you for explaining this. I am a new older ARMY, so knowing that this has been the reason why a lot of Americans do not know about BTS...because they dont want us to know. They made a mistake and put them on award shows...and many of us were like.. Who are they and that began the rabbit hole. So glad I got to know them although I can't go to a concert until 2025+ I will continue to stream and motivate other Americans to learn about BTS.
Not everyone is going to end up vibing with BTS...
Army + BTS forever
@@EverRoxas and?? That's not what op meant.
Op is talking about fairness & exposure
@@husky4890 lol
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Thanks for the in depth and detail explanation Rosan. You did a fantastic job. I am still so upset with what happened to Jimin. I know that we Army are always fighting to keep our boys on the charts. I want to encourage everyone to not give up and keep doing what we do to support BTS. Keep streaming and buying (if you can). 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
This video needs to go viral for everyone to understand the reality and get on track for their faves...
Rosan, thank you for your video. Sorry, in advance, for the length of this response. I had to share these things. After doing a little research into Penske a few weeks ago…A few other aspects I would LOVE to see us tackle are: How BTS has helped to uncover the intention of certain entities (PMC) to monopolize all machinations of the music biz, silence the fans, and have untouchable control over artists + even the labels in the industry.
Most don’t realize that PMC has been scooping up media/music industry/publishing/production companies + taking over or completely eliminating them since the early 2010’s in order to monopolize this industry. Luminate is not only owned by PMC and Eldridge Industries (I believe Eldridge Industries was taken over by Penske in 2021), but as your video noted, they were formally known as Nielsen, the most reputable and dominant data collection company for the entertainment industry for decades… and THE competitor to beat. PMC acquired and eliminated Nielsen, absorbing the competition and all its data collection technology, making Luminate the dominant data collector. So convenient to have in-house data collection to be manipulated how they want with no accountability.
Rolling Stone is another example. In December 2017, Penske Media acquired a majority stake of Rolling Stone magazine from Wenner Media.
The Rolling Stone Top 100 chart tracked the most popular songs of the week in the United States. (What people were really listening to) similar to BB. However, the RS chart did not include passive listening like terrestrial radio or digital radio (No Payola). The RS 100 chart was updated daily (built-in accountability), and each week Rolling Stone finalized and published an official version of the chart, covering the seven-day period ending with the previous Thursday. It was becoming a more reliable source than BB’s payola charts…until…In September of 2020, Penske brought Billboard into the fold and within 1 year, claiming that to have both charts was “internally duplicative and superfluous”, gave the RS Top 100 Chart the axe and began to throw all of its support behind BB’s Payola Charts. The final RS Top 100 chart was published 10/21/21, 2 wks after BTS + Coldplay’s ‘My Universe’ went #1 and dethroned Drake.
Which brings me to my last example of PMC’s monopoly. Penske acquired Dick Clark Productions at the beginning of 2023. DCP is the production company for the Golden Globes, New Year’s Rockin’ Eve, the American Music Awards and more. This year, the AMA’s were bumped from their November date because the BBMA’s wanted the date. This move is suspect for many reasons. BB (PMC) is campaigning to
to control the industry/limit the public’s voice. AMA’s are the only all fan-voted major MUSIC awards show in the US. It’s also the show where BTS won Artist of the Year 2021 (more than deserved). It was announced that the AMA’s would sit out 2023. If your goal is to silence the fans and solidify a narrative that supports the corrupt system you are trying to codify, this is how you do it. ONLY THE ARTISTS WHO’S LABELS HAVE BOUGHT INTO THE GAME will be nominated or win awards this year. This is a statement. BB seems to be drawing a line in the sand with the full support/backing of PMC.
They have set it up so the industry can continue payola unchecked and are trying to do even more to silence the consumer or competitors. They have created a monopoly. They have become the main conduit through which the labels, radio, streaming services, data collection companies and charting companies (Billboard) are able to perpetuate a corrupt system with the placement on Billboard charts as the highest goal. The monopoly Penske has created with buying up Rolling Stone, dcp (AMA’s, New Year’s Rockin Eve, Golden Globes + BBMA’s) Vanity Fair, Billboard, the Hollywood Reporter and more, has made them the gatekeeper and enabler of the road to who rises or falls in this industry. Billboard charts matter because the entire industry holds these charts ridiculously sacred to the point where artists are nominated for awards according to how well they’ve performed on billboard charts.
Billboard (PMC) is also monopolizing the entire music biz globally with this pay-to-play system. Quite a few K-Pop labels have purchased play-listing, radio play (Fifty-Fifty is now on the charts and even getting more radio spins than Jimin’s #1 Like Crazy) and media-play propaganda.
Because the labels are paying for the spins, streams, views, subscribers, engagements that will get them higher placement on BB charts, a group like BTS and ARMY completely disrupts the entire system and they are absolutely furious about this fact. We get that. But I believe if enough of us not only make a stink about the attack on Jimin/BTS, but begin to reveal more and more of the ways in which Billboard’s parent company (PMC) has violated antitrust laws/Acts, (see links/excerpts below), although we might find a greater challenge on our hands, we may just help to finally create a more authentic and organic music industry where artists and consumers voices are heard and true artistry can be cultivated and appreciated as intended. Where no one company is able to use our resources (money, time, energy, etc) to fill up their pockets illegally or create new levels of monopolistic corruption.
www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/antitrust-laws
Excerpts of the Sherman, FTC Act, and Clayton Acts:
Sherman Act:
On the other hand, certain acts are considered so harmful to competition that they are almost always illegal. These include plain arrangements among competing individuals or businesses to fix prices, divide markets, or rig bids. These acts are "per se" violations of the Sherman Act; in other words, no defense or justification is allowed.
FTC Act:
The Federal Trade Commission Act bans "unfair methods of competition" and "unfair or deceptive acts or practices." The Supreme Court has said that all violations of the Sherman Act also violate the FTC Act. Thus, although the FTC does not technically enforce the Sherman Act, it can bring cases under the FTC Act against the same kinds of activities that violate the Sherman Act. The FTC Act also reaches other practices that harm competition, but that may not fit neatly into categories of conduct formally prohibited by the Sherman Act. Only the FTC brings cases under the FTC Act.
Clayton Act:
The Clayton Act addresses specific practices that the Sherman Act does not clearly prohibit, such as mergers and interlocking directorates (that is, the same person making business decisions for competing companies). Section 7 of the Clayton Act prohibits mergers and acquisitions where the effect "may be substantially to lessen competition, or to tend to create a monopoly." As amended by the Robinson-Patman Act of 1936, the Clayton Act also bans certain discriminatory prices, services, and allowances in dealings between merchants. The Clayton Act was amended again in 1976 by the Hart-Scott-Rodino Antitrust Improvements Act to require companies planning large mergers or acquisitions to notify the government of their plans in advance. The Clayton Act also authorizes private parties to sue for triple damages when they have been harmed by conduct that violates either the Sherman or Clayton Act and to obtain a court order prohibiting the anticompetitive practice in the future.
as a twitter army, it's so frustrating being on that app... Big corporations, fans of other artists, kpoppies, chart accounts and whatnot bully us every single day with the wildest of accusations for getting bts records that they rightfully deserve. being an army, especially one on twt, is not for the weak, and I'm glad all of us have collectively agreed on this bc it makes us stronger and more resistant. its frustrating but it always had been. don't worry guys we'll find a way. and if we don't, just like what namjoon said, let's redraw the whole entire map.
love you army, love you bts
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Thank you for this Rosan, very clearly explained. What people should realise is that the 'industry' is a beast that will ONLY feed it's own, and that music is not good music if you really looked at it. The reason BTS has had such success is because they've gone against the usual 'rot' that is put out. Now don't get me wrong, it's not all bad, however BTS music is about love and healing, and you'll find the industry's 'controlled' music isn't. So BTS will never be accepted for they stand for and THAT is why they have such an impact. Most new listeners/reactors cannot understand WHY BTS has such an effect on them. Oh, if only people REALLY knew what is behind all this then they wouldn't be surprised why BTS is always blocked. Not just about payment, that is one side of it. I think Army's just have to get together and buy their own radio, set up their own award shows etc and then we as true fans can love our boys and show them what they mean to us without having to resort to corrupt organisations. BTS as we always say, DON'T need them, but we want to reward their hard work. AND THEY SHOULD GET THEIR RECOGNITION, AS THAT'S ONLY RIGHT. But don't count on it! NO-ONE will ever achieve what BTS has because LOVE is at the root of it all, and LOVE always wins, grows and heals. I could go on, but at least I think fans are now waking up to what really goes on in this world (not just in music either). Hard work and goodness is not always rewarded by these organisations (didn't Suga say this once?) but ARMY's will show them different because we won't stoop to their corrupt tactics. Right, nuff said.
I just watched Yoongis live and it's so fascinating; Over 93 million Army fans dropped in and most of us don't understand Korean!! Isn't that insane, honestly? And that was probably not all Army, so we are really powerful, guys! If we support each other and BTS the sky is the limit. WE can make a difference! We can turn our backs on Billboard, because they don't matter. WE do. Billboard should be pushed for transparence, but lets not give them too much attention and frustration either. Jimin makes more money than Miley Cyrus because of us. We don't need Billboard. They need us.
And sure, there were many "Yoongi marry me", but Yoongi knows that it only means that fans love him so we should not fight over it.
actually Bangtan doesn't need BB, they need us, but BB? they need us mad and angry tweeting @ em and clicking their click-baity trash articles for engagement.. Meaning they don't need to be transparent nor change anything since things go quite well for them by making us mad. The moment we understand the power we hold then BB will need us cause it'd mean ARMYs stopped engaging but.. It's been at least 5 years since we're having issues with em (Fake love) and nothing's changed.
I'm sorry, but spamming "X bts member merry me" is annoying.
We need to stop using that phrase. Imagine bts coming in a live, and they're trying to explain something, and they want to know our opinions from it, and all they see is a bunch of spamming of "X bts member merry me" "go to sleep" "speak English" "X delusional ship" "Where's X bts member" "can you say X something?"
Is childish and annoying
93 millions !!! That’s insane !
@@estherapobangpo the actual number is 5 million, he confused the hearts with the views
The hearts were 93m, the views were 5 million active viewers.
As a Senior Army(68) It so heartbreaking to see when, Army’s make breakthrough, they find a way to bring BTS down. Everything is about money. We must find a way to create our own charts. Billboard has out live it’s usefulness. It not about the Artist, it about the money. As they say it is hard to teach an old dog new tricks but RM once stated during Covid, We (BTS &Army will find a way or create our own map. BTS and Army stay strong. We got each other’s back. PS Thank you for explaining everything so clearly. As an army, I learn something new every day.
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This whole corrupt system reminds me of August D'S message about capitalism in his song Haugeum. He speaks truth to power.
i was waiting for someone to speak on it
anticipating
Thank you for making this summary video and for speaking up about this matter. I'm sure this will inform new armys that weren't aware of this and maybe will helped to non-fans as well to understand why we act like "bots" why we are so protective over BTS.
I watched the 'Billboard Corrupt' video from planet army like 10 days ago and I'm glad you talked about the same thing here and give us encouragement as well. 💜
I know all of this is upsetting and trust me, I'm SO frustrated too. The fact Radio payola now weights more than actual fans and other people paying to listen to those songs is ridiculous to me. As a 2016 Army this is really frustrating because I know BTS have gone through so much sht since then and even since their debut. The fact the way the world and other people treat BTS hasn't change is honestly upsetting. They may be the biggest group in the world right now but having a successful career doesn't mean that they just stop struggling. Now they have more hypocrite and jealous people around them, companies trying to drag them down, fake people that treat them good now that they have money but treated them like sht when they were "nobodies". And the fact Bangtan still act so kind towards these people says a lot about how big their hearts are. Many people wouldn't, many people wouldn't forgave them.
Anyway, it hurts to know that the music industry is full of corruption now and full of racist and xenophobic people. We Armys have done our best buying, supporting BTS in different platforms and asking radio station. It's NOT our fault they refuse to play their songs and it's not BTS fault either because the guys have done nothing wrong. Their artistry is amazing, their music is good, they spread positive messages and they are incredibly talented.
And what it's even more sad and frustrating is that Army always try their best to show to the world these issues but we get zero response. That sht can happen to any other artists and some of these ridiculous rules are directly affecting smaller artists too but the industry and people are ignoring us just because it's about the members of BTS. (?) This unfortunately makes me lose faith and I am disgusted by all the unprovoked hate.
When these types of sabotages happen to other white artists, the platforms, the general public and the media response is totally different.. like wtf. Look, even Post Malone's father has called out Spotify for that and the worst thing is that they haven't fixed that problem for Jimin yet. This is so wrong.
No matter how much they change their rules and try to drag them down, we will not allow that and after all, Bangtan doesn't need their help to increase streams. They are the ones that can really sold out stadiums in minutes globally. Like I said, BTS and Army only have each other and we both have gone though so many hardship but we always find the way to keep going. We will adapt and find the way to keep BTS at the top and make them succeed as always because they deserve it. I'm not saying that a number or getting certain awards will define how good they are because this is a corrupt industry but doing our best is a way of showing our support and reciprocate the love to them because BTS have already gave us so much happiness, strength and comfort with their music, messages, content and more. 💜
Sorry for my long comment.
Thank you for doing this. For BB to drastically filter ONLY the sales of Jimin in the middle of the week is quite fascinating. They do because they can, without any explanation to us. Kinda scary. You may say BTS doesn't need BB, but BB is necessary for creating what ends up being legacy. We do want that for BTS. I read an article yesterday in the new K-Pop "edition" of BB magazine and it said the K-Pop industry can still be considered successful without placing on the US charts. I thought, don't they know that the K-Pop industry is already successful? It was so condescending, like they were trying to be reassuring about success, but no worries, we just don't want you on our BB chart. What are they going to come up with next? ARMYs are so adaptable,(one of our many super powers,) so I'm confident we can change as we need to. I appreciate your hard work in making this. Fighting!
Not to worry. We're making our own history; we're going to be the fandom that declared independence from US chart rankings and radio and corrupt industry constantly changing the rules on us. We're 90m strong, from every country in the world; we are the general public. We sell out multiple stadium shows in 2 hours, dominate movie theater show events, crash live-streams with the sheer weight of numbers, and take over entire cities for a week at a time. 💜
The US music industry is turning into a locals-only fiasco, and they know it. Forbes said it when Dynamite didn't get the grammy: "Who really needs whom?" The music industry is desperate for people to tune in to radio, desperate for album sales- and yet they're deliberately trying to sideline the biggest, most beloved group in the world and working as hard as they can to offend the biggest fandom in the world. Well, karma ain't an ARMY for nothing, eh? 😏
Another amazing explanation video! Thank you, Rosan 💜.
We as ARMY have the power, if not to change, at least make an impact on this system. They will continue calling us annoying and bots, but in the end, what matters is for us to find the best way to support BTS.i
Thank you for this. For doing the research and providing us with all this information. We wouldn’t know the “truth” behind Billboard’s ranking system without videos like yours. It hurts me to hear RM say he feels rejected by the American charting system. We need to keep fighting.👊💜
The music industry in the west , especially the US, cannot stand the fact that BTS are succeeding without them, and they are not making big profits off of it. BTS absolutely does not need Billboard or a Grammy to be one of the world’s most popular and successful groups, if not THE most popular and successful. And that is a huge slap in the face to the music industry, which is so corrupt, and who controls everything BUT BTS! We do not need you billboard! I hope when BTS reunites, they completely turn their backs on these shows that just exploit BTS for their own gains.
You really are daydreaming indeed…
Thank you Rosan for this video. As an ARMY from outside US, I can only imagine the disappointment you guys are feeling knowing you did your best in all possible ways to support our boys. It's not just BB we are battling these days. YT and Spoti** are making it hard for us, too. I couldn't really digest why this is all happening but may we find strength and motivation to keep moving in unison especially now that our boys will rest for a while. One more thing, with all these happening, our community is also being shaken by solos making it hard to achieve great results for solo releases. But as Joonie said "The ARMY and BTS are strong". We can make things possible if we are working together.
He also said 'if there's no way lets re draw the map again'
I can't speak about Spot, but on YT, there's always been a rule of 'X views per viewer, per video, per 24 hours'. I now hear that channels that buy in to YT's advertising get their views counted correctly, but channels that don't- like HYBE and BangtanTV- get a lot of views...subtracted. I *think* it means there is a cap on total views each day, and if it looks like an MV will go over, they chop a few hundred-thousand off. (I think that's why a lot of K-pop tops out at 10-13m views in their first 24 hours. Very suspicious that all the different fandoms end up near the same total!) But I don't know that for sure, and it's almost impossible to test out.
@@ystrw That's interesting it would be great if we could find out just what RUclips are doing. I know if I like an MV I'll watch it a few times a day while doing other things. Occassionally I might even watch the same MV and then straight away rewatch it, however mostly I watch then maybe later in the day watch again. But I sometime's I might watch 3 or 4 different MV's 2-4 times a day depending on what I'm doing.
The saddest part is now it would be more difficult for other foreign groups and artists to achieve any charting if not backed up by payola, dismissing the importance of the fan support and engagement
plz give her an award ! lots of love 💜
people need to understand why bts charts higher
I really appreciate the hard work you have pour in making this video. It explained clearly what is going on and why BTS vs Billboard should be the hot topics in the music scene. #1 spots is no longer organic instead geared up strategically by radios/label depending on how much they been paid. At the end of the day it’s only effect their favourite artist. The hit songs that been cultivate based on spins, radio play, playlist etc only means not much income can be made by said artist since they 1st have to pay for the song to heard by vast audience.
Personally I believe if I have been listening to it so many times in radio, I won’t be bothering buying the physical/digital album cause I hear it for free anyway. For BTS, as a fan I would always chips in and do my part to support their creative freedom & independent thoughts of all OT7 by continue to buy their albums, stream & go to their concerts. Thou the later is getting tougher these days, getting tickets is like battle field!!! Anyway, I would like to say thank you sm for this video. It is organised and well put together. 32:33 Spitting the truth! Our impact is so big that the industry fear us.
Thank you for this explanatory video about the issue that BTS faces with Billboard, it clarifies many things for us. In part, sales with a single consumer also increase because the shipping costs on the weverse platform are very high, sometimes they cost more than the cost of the album and once it arrives in Mexico, for example, additional taxes must be paid as well. that I am particularly buying from companies that are in charge of buying albums through weverse or buy in the USA and the shipping cost is absorbed between the buyers and this reduces the final cost for the fans... if it were not so expensive to buy directly from Korea would continue to do so by this means
But as frustrating as the whole situation is, I continue to stream and buy albums because BTS sees our support regardless of whether they make it to the Billboard charts or not, as you say, I'm interested in them being able to make the music they want and that they know that we are going to connect with them, that we listen to their message, that they know that we love them and we value their music... it would be great if this sabotage of the music industry in the USA changes but what matters most to me is that BTS knows that the Army supports them, that they feel loved and appreciated by us
Regards from México. Borahae 💜
Thank you 🙏🏼🥰 for the details explanation.
I was getting very frustrated w. BB, Spotify & RUclips. The music market is REALLY trying HARD to keep BTS Down. Because they refuse to play their PAYOLA games. Which is why I’m So Proud to be 💜ARMY💜 💪🏼💯😎
OMG, Celeste, the video was such an eye-opener, everything became clearer about what happened with Jimin's "Like crazy"........but , inspite of all these manipulations , Jimin still created history and that simply cannot be erased !!
As a 2016 army, I have seen all this happen. It still boils my blood and I cannot stress how well Armys did with adapting & delivering!
Thank you for this enlightenment, the industry is so corrupt in my view it’s sad because why should our Favourite artists our BTS be discriminated against, or Exiled and dropped from any chart or billboard, we Army need to remain strong and continue to love and support our boys BTS💜
It’s absolutely wild to me that songs playing on the radio because they were paid to be is somehow organic and a fan base actually buying the music is manipulation. Make it make sense. How in the hell is supporting an artist with your own dollars manipulation, and artists being played based on corporate money organic? If this were happening with some random white artist who’s fans fight hard for them, I feel like no one would question it. But because it’s a Korean group, suddenly it’s chart manipulation and has to be stopped. The xenophobia runs deep.
The impact of BTS is bigger than the bb charts. The most important thing is to support the artist in the first place. 🫶🏻
personally I didn't even know what BB was til I became ARMY (I'm not from the US). I don't understand why Korea cares so much abt it
@@fi0rella yes.. I’ve been recently thinking more the same. I only care if Bangtan care. 🙃
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@@fi0rella It should still matter bc there are many talented artists that get screwed over. That said, I understand you probably don't care about other artists :P
@@JoelErway-pq9ij yes they get screwed over, so why caring? let's say BB was being organized by someone the artist respects, it would make sense.. but it's the establishment, radio, platforms, corporations like.. why giving them more power than what they have? ARMY figured out how to make em chart, BB don't like it cause the boys don't owe the establishment anything. It's corrupt and dirty and has 0 to do with music and all to do with $$. Bangtan was having a stadium tour a year and a half before they hit their 1st Nº 1.. will they be any less popular for not getting it again? No. BB means nothing, I'm glad the boys seem to be over it though but I know we as fans (ARMYs+others), can't let go cause they still 'might care' a bit eh... it's frustrating
Oh wow. Thank you for this video. For years I bought the Billboard magazine & kept up but in the 90s the music started sounding the same and bs music, music that wasn't even good music, was being promoted. Now I just thought I was getting older and lost interest in the younger artist but realized, when I expanded my base to other countries, that the quality of the American music scene was just being manipulated by big business. Didn't know the details but you have explained them most excellently. Thank you for your hard work!
Yes! I noticed it really started around when Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Backstreet Boys, Nsync were all around. Very late 90s, early 2000s. They were all so similar in their ways. And there were more performers still added like 98 degrees and Lindsay Lohan. Wait, maybe this was a Simon Cowell thing 🤔
Also the rock and metal categories in award shows were way more pop sounding than actual rock or metal, and that's when rock started to die in the radio scene.
I did like my 90s music, but I was in jr/Sr high school then so didn't notice who really got the promotions. I had my Def lepard, Metallica, Motley Crue, TLC, Pearl Jam, Fugees etc cds. I just kept playing them till they wore out 😅
Thank you for the vid!! With all the “big (but not so big) noise” about the fandom I know there are Army’s like myself that will always support BTS & all of you fans that are out there speaking about the unfairness our guys always face. Their solo projects are the fruits of all our hard work as in streaming & buying their records. When I first heard BTS back in 2018 I heard 2 songs & was hooked on their unique sound, artistry, lyrics, messages behind it. The support we give them which the members know they thank us with mind blowing music they put out. Although it may be frustrating & the battle feels lost don’t let it sway you let’s continue to support this amazing group & show the world that Army will always back BTS because BTS never disappoint to give back what we loved so much about them which is their music!! I mean of course there’s so much more but we all know. ARMY “FIGHTING” 💜💜💜
YOU ARE BACK, WITH THE FACTS, YOU ARE SPILLING FACTS. I LOVE YOU, THANKS FOR DOING THIS VIDEO. IT WAS NEEDED.
Such a perfect video! And guys, please don't ever ask bts to pay for radio or playlisting, that would go against bts' ideals and values that they had taught us all these years, they won't be part of that corrupt system, because they are against that themselves
Thank you for this 💜 let's hope and pray things get better. Untill then, keep streaming, keep supporting our boys. Thank you Rosan
Thank you for this video. You have explained such complicated system so simple to understand. Now we understood what to do. Gear up Armys and support BTS. It's our time to shine.
thanks, rosan. i appreciated your turning the depressing facts of the US music industry as a place for the non-creators to suck the
creators dry, into a shout out to the Armys who have always been there to support BTS. As a 2 year BTS Army, I am more than grateful
to all y'all for, as you said, helping BTS to be so strong that the individual artists can produce their own creative ventures. I think BTS &
Army are a force on this planet that brings sunshine to a cloudy day, & happiness to so many hearts. Borahae!
the outro made me cry… i'm so heartbroken. this shouldn't happen to bts, they don't deserve it at all. thank you sincerely for this video!!
Go Celeste. On point as always.💜 This is an excellent summary of why it’s so vital for ARMYs to buy BTS’s music & go see them on tour - so they can continue to release the meaningful music they want to and enjoy chart success, without being beholden to US radio stations who operate pay for play schemes.
Thanks for taking your time to inform not only Army but all music fans to support their artist 💜
Thank you so much for your research and clear explanation. It’s clear BTS is being sabotaged. BTS are grown men with amazing talents and work extremely hard. They create music that has meaning. I listen to a wide range of music genres and artists, many that are played on the radio. BTS albums are the only albums I buy and I don’t even own a CD player. However, I want them to continue to be able to make music I enjoy and make a profit.
Thanks!
I am bawlinggg T-T Thank you for putting this video out. No matter what happens in the future, I am truly proud and grateful to be part of the BTS ARMY!
What Jimin accomplished with no external influence/help is HISTORIC, that shows us how amazing and talented he really is, To reach #1 against all odds ….nothing but Historic.
Let’s keep supporting Jimin as he opened the door for other artist.
Like many ARMYs have said, we (and that includes BTS) don't need Billboard but they need us. Why? Just look how they need our names for clicks and attention from media. However, BTS DO need us, so let's keep fighting. Like Namjoon said "We'll find a way, we always have. If there's no way, we'll redraw the map."
And like all of BTS have done since even before their debut and how ARMYs have been doing since their debut, let's keep fighting. They don't deserve our energy, much less our attention and time. We'll keep fighting. We can still crawl you guys. Thank you for all your efforts until now, but we're still not done! :) ♥
If you can’t fly, then run
Today we will survive
If you can’t run, then walk
Today we will survive
If you can’t walk, then crawl
Even if you have to crawl, gear up
- Not Today
This will make bb irrelevant if we, fans, continue to support the artists we love regardless of BB results. BTS is BTS regardless of BB’s very corrupted and twisted results. Thank you for your effort to explain this in details. I hope all fandom will spread this video so fans of all artists won’t get discouraged by the toxic manipulation of bb and their ecosystem. Let’s continue to move mountains!
Great video, lets all share it far and wide!!! It needs to be seen by everyone, not just BTS fans. This issue affects all fans of all music. Keep up the great work! 💜
Completely agree with you.
Great video! Thank you so much Rosan for this clear explanation of this issue facing not only BTS but all artists. As always it will be ARMY and BTS together.....Fighting! 💜
Thank you very much for this very informative video . I’m so proud to be a part of this dedicated and supportive ARMY. No matter what they do to pull down BTS, nothing can ever change the fact that BTS has broken records left and right in the music world . Jimin had achieved the number 1 spot in the Hot 100 Billboard without any radio play and collaboration with the strong support from his fans . No one can ever ever change the fact that Jimin has set a record in the history of Billboard. As an ARMY, let’s all continue to support BTS, it’s what they truly deserve . ARMY forever 💜💜💜💜💜💜
Yes, yes, YES! I really don’t know what we can do to fix this. It makes me feel defeated every time we break the system and the change the rules. It’s a never ending game of them not wanting BTS in the charts, it’s sabotage.
It’s very obvious why this is happening and I think it’s deeper than just fans having control, and maybe I’m diving more into conspiracy territory. The entertainment industry is a dark place, I can’t imagine what BTS have probably seen and lived through, artists give up everything for fame when people in power ask them for anything and bts decided not to play that game. BTS are not willing to do everything for fame, they maintain to have their views and ethics, that’s the difference.
It's about the money. It's always about the money. If the American music industry in no way shape or form can capitalize on an Artist, they're cut.
It's why they won't win a Grammy. Grammys (and Oscars) are all about the under handed "bribes". Though a few genuine artists fall through and win still. But most western artists know that they have to play the game to be successful. Eminem is one that won once, and still refuses to play the games. (Don't see him at no1 either, even though everyone knows him)
This is what you get from capitalism. A lot of corrupt and greedy corporations.
We all know that all these companies will change anyway and anytime to fit their needs and wants for their pockets but what can we do about it is the biggest question. We can’t seem to win to be fair. We can only do our part and keep raising our voices.
It feels like radio and chart manipulation happens in every country with significant music industry. It's so sad and frustrating that good artists can't be popular. There are so many independent musicians, with brilliant talent. We are lucky and unlucky at the same time for being ARMY. Music industry everywhere is afraid of us. We have the power of a small country! We can do this let's fight the system. I live in UK, does anyone have accurate information about charts and radio spins in here?
XCeleste thank you for this amazing video, it makes me miss Tannies even more. Have a lovely day or night.
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Yes Radio here in the UK to be able to be on air have to pay a structured amount every 6months to either of the two royality orangisation that then pay the artists for every radio spin their songs receive. Note it's much higher amount per spin compared to the streaming sites. The amount per spin is calculated on the size of the radio station and it's 'Listeners/auidence reach eg airways space'. This 'royality payment' has to be paid as part of the ability to hold a radio station license. Eg don't pay your 6 monthly bill you can't go on air. This is to protect artist rights to their music.
Thank you so much for untangling all these things. I just recently got into BTS and it's the best thing happened to me. I'm not able to buy the albums or songs on streaming platforms yet but I'll make sure to do that within a year or so. BTS is really an anomaly and no one will ever be able to achieve what they have. 💜ᗷTS⟭⟬💜 💜🅐🅡🅜🅨⁷⟬⟭💜 forever...
Great video! It’s an example that American artist and their producers/companies are defending their market and wouldn’t allowed anybody to enter it. That’s why we hear on the radio dump songs over and over again. BTS are allowed to be played on the radio only in collaborations and/or singing in English. I only can imagine how Jimin was devastated after this rule affected LC. I wouldn’t call myself an army, but I am huge fan of BTS. Several years ago when I discovered them, I was wondering how come they are selling stadiums, but I never heard them on the radio? Well, now I know. This video explains in deep how this industry is running. It needs subtitles to reach larger audience. Bravo, girl!
This is why everyone needs to stop turning on the radio at all. It's essentially dead but record labels are determined to keep it going just to get their artist at no1. But if they have no listeners....
Automatically have your phone connected and streaming come up in your car or have an independent radio station that does not play any type of top 100 hits. If you hear a song over and over again, change what you listen too, they stations are getting paid
Amazing XCeleste. Thanks for supporting us and the guys
Thank you so much for this video. I think during this time when BTS are in a “between” state while they serve in the military and complete their solo journeys, it’s so important to continue to have updated educational content for baby ARMYs as they join the fandom. I didn’t know any of the ins and outs of music industry and charting until I became an ARMY over 3 years ago. It’s so helpful for people to understand where we’re all coming from and why we still fight the good fight for BTS. I see so many newer fans thinking it doesn’t matter because of how famous they are, but their fame is not the point.
I totally agree with every single point and I'm so frustrated when like crazy dropped out from hot 10 .........
Billboard don't even try to hide this they openly saying by their actions that it's their choice which song should be in top 10 they sudden changed their rules they filtered our streams at max they want......
Paying for radio is totally fine rather fans buying their music or stream...... what the heck is going on what people claim that armys are manipulating the charts just because we buy their songs digitally or physically......yes there are few army who mass buy songs but do we have another option they closed every door for us radio didn't play BTS songs youtube views doesn't getting count Spotify didn't count remix so what can we do 😅😅😅😅 I didn't even mentioned about youtube freezing views or deleting and at what rate our streams are filtered 😢😢😢
This is such a critical situation these illegal practices really affect independent artist
And I saw on Twitter how antis making fun of jimin had they lost their mind what if the same thing happened with their fav artists 😢
I hope everyone took this issue seriously this things are just getting worst I want people to come together and support the every artist who are honest with their music
💜💜💜💜Army we will find a way to get out of this problem
Fighting 😊😊💜💜
So I live in Orlando and grew up listening to XL 106.7 (shown at 17 mins in your video). I was so disappointed and my heart dropped when I first heard their comments about purposely not playing BTS. What disgusting behavior
I stopped listening to radio literally 20+ years ago. When i got first an MP3 player I could listen to the music i wanted loaded up while driving (used to drive a lot for work) and then in turn when i got a vehicle with a working CD player, it changed everything. I used to get so sick and tired of the same old (actually old) songs being played over and over and over again. Plus then the radio stations are these long 9 minute commercial breaks and they hardly ever tell you who sang the song so you can go look for it in the stores) It was stupid! If i listen to the radio in the car now its just because i got bored of my cd and cant change it while driving so turn the radio on for a few mins but still its songs from older groups who got huge and must still be paying payola. Radio is all but dead. I use my cd’s and youtube where i can make my own playlist which i call my random collection of awesome songs. Its everything i like as i come across new stuff i add it. I have no need of radio and no need of these stupid messed up systems that don’t support actual musicians and their art. I thought radio was supposed to be the way to broadcast and introduce new music to the listener but at some point, --> long ago
Thank you for making this video. It was well-presented and objective. More people need to realize that the music they are consuming is fed to them by rich businessmen who are looking to get richer. And fans supporting the artists is nothing to be ashamed of. ARMYs - please keep supporting BTS by buying their songs because it is clear that radio will only play songs that profit them and not songs that are actually in demand.
There are other factors like the mass deletion of youtube views and the splitting of the 2 versions on spotify which affected the streaming figures. There is more than meets the eye regarding this billboard issue. Army should still continue to push Like Crazy past all these obstacles and keep it on the charts just to show them the power of army
This was so informative and your explanation was so detailed. This whole BB corruption has been bothering me as of late and wondered how they count numbers. Now I fully understand and even angrier for what happened to Jimin. It's hypocrisy isn't it? Fans purchasing their artists music is considered chart manipulation, yet payola isn't??? So moronic.
Thank you so much for this video. It is insane that is this happening. BTS (and so many artists) have worked so hard on their music and art and deserve to have it heard, appreciated and supported (FAIRLY) by not only their fan base, but people everywhere. I have not listened to the radio in so long, mainly because I was so sick of the same songs being played over and over again, and clearly nothing has changed. Let's continue to stream and buy their songs and albums! ARMY 💜BTS 💜💜💜
thank you for this video, this explains a lot, even though I shed many tears, it let my blood boil, they have the power to keep changing the rules, no matter what we do, they don't like the power we hold as a fandom..so let's just changes this and that. this hurts, it is disappointing and most of all very frustrating. But We will continue to fight together as a fandom for our boys so that they always see/feel how much respect and love we have for them, how grateful we are for the music they given us, for all their months/years, incl the lack of sleep, and all their distressed moments!, no matter what the charts do..one thing is for sure, that's that BTS and ARMY are 1 , and we will not giving up on what we work for we continue to support and protect our boys from all trolls, haters, etc. As Namjoon once said "the army we know and the BTS you'll all know we are strong, literally strong" let's stay strong together ARMY! hwaiting APOBANGPo 🫶🏼💜💜
thank you so much xCeleste for this explanation, it's just so unjust what they do to our boys, we army will always make our boys come out on top no matter what. Like BTS SONG SAYS "SO WHAT". 💜💜💜
Gracias por este vídeo, debería estar traducido a todos los idiomas y compartirse a todo el fandom. Excelente trabajo!!! 💜
Thank you Celeste. No matter what BTS and army go through we will keep going. Will always find a way
Bravo! You explained this so well and really showed how not only the charts are heavily controlled by the industry but also how ARMYs became such an organized force who know how to use sns to communicate and buy BTS's music. Truth is: radio and billboard created the monster that is ARMYs' buying power because they othered them for so many years.
Ugh as infuriating as it is I'M SO HAPPY ARMYS LIKE YOU EXPLAIN THIS! Thank you so much. The ending really made me cry and realise how far we've come. We'll keep fighting and keep supporting our boys. At the end of the day, I also want to say that all these charts and numbers dont really mean anything and do not represent music or artists or fans accurately. I'd frankly like to boycott them. Idk if that's possible but yes, why support a system that is false? People are losing their faith in the music industry and the labels are scared of this. Scared of real fans. It's so ironically funny. Anyway whatever happens in the future or whatever happened in the past, bts has won it all. The biggest award an artist can win is having a positive impact on people and winning their love and support. Bts has already done that and continue to do that. I'm so proud of them and I'm so proud of this fandom. Let's keep going for a long time and continue shocking the world ok? 😎
Why dont we. Lets boycott. #screwcapitalistscamygrammy #screwcapitalistsbillboard #screwcapitalistradiostations #screwcapitalistmusicindustry. I say lets do it. Lets boycott. Lets stop watching award shows and platforms that are toxic and watch as it plummits. Lets boycott payola. I think we can. Lets do it.
Thank you so much for this Xceleste. I was so surprised and confused. It is so not fair but we love Jimin and BTS. I wondered why it kept being number 1 other places. Thanks again !!!💜
Hi, i am back. Great video. Sad topic but the info is much needed. This is important. I shared on twt. So glad u could make this. Love seeing Brooke as a source. She knows so much. Hope one day she can interview u for her podcast. U should talk about this with other reactors on a podcast. We need to continue and share this info with fans. Hugs. -NY USA 2019 Army💟
Thank you so very much for that great explanation. Very sad that artists are brainwashed to believe paying the power hungry greedy corp co is the only way to make money instead of good old fashion record/album sales. We can look at this as Discrimination towards BTS but looking at the grand scheme of things, it also is a discrimination towards all artists who want to make great and meaningful music for there fans. Having songs that are sampled from 70’s, 80’s & 90’s songs/artists top the billboard charts while artist making awesome original songs/lyrics/music with real meaning are being ignored is ridiculous! Dont get me wrg, I love my old hits and love that artist in this day and age love those hits as well. But it seems that most of the songs repeating on the radio are those that have samples of earlier records…not so original people!
Let’s continue to support our boys and even if they don’t get the recognition they deserve, lets make sure their impact in music and their fanbase is UNDENIABLE!💜💜💜💜
I love all tour Explanations videos. This whole Billboard 100 changes is manipulation is frustrating and confusing to those that dont follow along. Jimin worked hard for his solo album and these Billboard bullies just pushed him off 😡😡. I'mso MAD!! In my 45 yrs, it's my 2nd time buying a physical album from an artist that I admire and Love.
Thank you again for the detail explanation of what happened.
Thanks for the info. It's sad yet real, I'm not surprised given the Payola system in America is crazy big. Money, power, and greed aptly demonstrated in 'Haegeum'. Suga sure knows how to hit home with their reality as artists and humans.
I've never heard Jimin's like crazy on the radio in my country. People can argue that's because it's in korean but I've heard BP's shutdown almost everytime I turn on the radio 🤔.
The discrimination does not only happened to BTS but our local artists as well. It's always the same song, the same artists on the radio. Not to mention the ads...it's frustrating😢.
I used to drive to work and I listened to radio during that time. It's a half an hour drive but I can only get 3 songs out of the 30 minutes drive. Most of it are ads. So I guess the first rule on the radio is who pays more. I stopped listening to radio on daily basis now. It's no longer relevant.
Tq for the video and the thorough explanation. Keep up 👍☺
@tessbonghanoy I'm in Malaysia.
Thank you Rosan for this detailed analysis of the current and past Billboard chaos. Enjoy the concert...
Thank you xCeleste for an enlightening video..well done as always!
Yoooooo I can't waiiiit! Love your explained videos so much and this is a topic that fries my brain so can't wait to watch this
Things are much more clear now. Thank you Xcelest, as always informative and precise. Thank you darling. Borahea 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Seems like whatever we do to try and "support" BTS, if we have to rely on these avenues, they'll just keep suppressing our efforts. What if we did something unheard of? Like what if BTS goes on a world tour, and sells out stadiums, and they don't even need to sing and dance. They just need to be there for like 1 hour and talk to the fans in these stadiums? I'm sure fans will still buy these tickets (preferably at a cheaper pricetag), but wouldn't that send a strong message? That they can strip us of all these "achievements", but BTS will still remain on top? Picture the headlines "BTS Sells out World Tour in Stadiums without having to perform". And the videos are literally of them standing/sitting there for an hour just having a conversation with fans. and think of the merch they will sell. We can break records for most tickets sold, most merch sold, and the artist didnt' even have to perform. obviously it'll be nice if they do perform, but i'm talking about sending a message here. This way the $$ is actually going into their pockets and not some corrupt radio station anyways. Or the proceeds and go towards promotions, or perhaps creating another platform that is NOT corrupt.
BTS understands the corruption involved, and it seems to me like they're over it too. Other then Grammy's they've gotten all the awards out there already. let's give them something more crazy then a Grammy. I'm already expecting it, but when they reunite after military service, let's break records for their world tour. Let's put everyone else to shame. When they had their Vegas concerts last year, didn't locals say that they've never seen the city like that before? Everything became BTS related. Let's do that EVERYWHERE! So over the top that these corrupt execs can't even walk out of their house without seeing or hearing something BTS related. 🤣
Oh, BTS could totally do that- ARMY would be delighted to get an hour or two of the guys just being chaotic and chatty. Maybe they could do some kind of Live Run BTS episode, fans included...that'd be so much fun.
I keep wishing HYBE would cut ties with most of the viewing and streaming platforms, pull their content off (all the HYBE groups, not just BTS), and host it all on their own view and stream platform. It'd take some work to get Weverse to where it could handle so much traffic, but I think they could do it, and they could institute a proper view-count, like 'unique views' and 'repeat views'. No filtering, no fake reporting of video content, and a strict moderator system to manage the trolls and antis. I take absolute glee in thinking about the massive crash in view/stream numbers as ARMYs relocate. YT claims BTS content accounts for 20m views a day; I'm sure they'd find it was a lot more than that once we left.
@@ystrw I believe starting their own platform and pulling their content off RUclips and other streaming platforms will be the big move, but it will probably be several steps down the road. It seems to me like BTS is still trying to be the good big brother and use their fame and popularity to help other lesser known artists. They are trying to pave the way for other K-pop artists, pop or indie. So right now, they still need these outlets to help other artists be known to the general public (globally). Once a few more artists/groups become popular, i think would be a better time and more detrimental to these platforms. I do hope other artists/labels can unite with HYBE and BTS and prepare to do something like this, but seeing how till this day they don't show BTS much respect, coz of their egos, so i don't know if they'd be willing to take that step. even if they say they are, i don't even know if we can trust their word.
@@ystrw But if BTS leave RUclips they'll lose the presence for newer would be fans to discover them.
@@eileencritchley4630 That's a fair point... although there will still be all the fan channels, interviews, special shows and reactions, newcomers don't usually search those. Perhaps the company could leave up the one or two most-viewed videos from each era, with directions to Weverse (or wherever) for 'the rest of the album / album trilogy'. I mean, I *would* hate to see Mic Drop lose it's 1B viewing distinction... Now that's a thought, keep up every vid with 1B+?
I am always appreciative when you make videos like this. You provide important and accurate facts from real sources. Thank you. I wish this can translate into Korean with a Korean thumbnail so all those ignorant Korean medias and people can see the real picture how hard Armys and BTS work and how the American music industries work.
The music industries in Korea and in the US work the same ways that if you don't go through their regular systems (meaning don't pay them and didn't use their power), artists don't get anywhere. BTS is the first artist who became sucessful without this norm and all music industries (US and Korea both) got surprised and try to reject them as much as possible. A double whammy for BTS and Army.
Thank you for this enlightening video. Billboard and those who make the decisions there, should be ashamed of themselves. What honour and decency , and purpose is there when money rules your game?
Celeste: Thank you so much for taking the time to research this and present it to us; you are incredible! Your encouragement is so sweet!
Borahae!
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Thank you for explaining again the disparity that our boys are getting. They are much more blatant with their xenophobia. I haven't seen Suga's listed on the Billboard. Even more frustrating are these new reactors for clicks that doesn't do their due diligence in BTS music and listening to one documentary like it's some kind of tick about BTS. They keep screwing up their numbers without adhering to 24 hrs rule to watch their new videos! Perhaps, if you have the time, to do an update about the intro of the boys, they are now men! Keep up the great work! Borahae!
Thanks for addressing this issue.
everyone and their mother needs to see this video
Not everyone cares?
Thank you for your hard work to put together this very easy to understand clip. I'm sure it will help many to understand the issue.
Thank you. I was just looking at the numbers on the videos I get that Amygdala is not rising fast due to the warning on it but the fact that Haegeum is not rising is perplexing. I checked out other kpop groups and the #s are going when then dont have the fan base Suga has (and I'm not referring to Army necessarily because a lot of solos don't really support other members so that would cut it) which probably amount to about the same as a new group. So how are the #s so low? Like crazy haven't reached 100 views yet like WTF!!! Someone elses video did though and at 1st I brushed it off as we have alot of MVs and content right now but come on its pretty concerning
Yeah I’m really surprised by the low numbers. I’m not sure what is happening. Is it RUclips deleting views? Is it just low views? I’m not sure
I am so, so proud that young people realize that corporate corruption (in the sistem capitalista)controls them from listening and seeing ARTE...ARMY is cultural revolution and BTS has a treasure for their whole life..I wish they knew everything what do the ARMY DO FOR THEM?
They know. They've spoken about it many times in lives, interviews and whatnot. BTS knows what Army does
Thank you for explaining it in simple way. In a way, it is so sad that radio stations are made that way. I think Jealousy as well makes them act like that. Thanks goodness we ARMY are solid enough to support BTS. I hope everyone will continue to do so and wait patiently for the 7 members when they are together. I am saving money already for the upcoming concert (crossing finger) in 2025!!
CANTT WAITT!!!!!
Thank you for the explanation xCeleste. It was hard to listen to because we know it’s a broken system and these people who run this system do not care. But at the same time, I feel that we need to keep making noise until changes are made for BTS and other artists to be given a fair chance and validation for their art and hard work.
Celeste, you are wonderful! Awesome video!
Thank you Rosan for this informative video. It's very well explained for all the Army who don't kow about/or don't really understand this corrupt system.
So complete and well explained... as always. Thank you for taking the time to do this 💜
celeste you are seriously The gem of army thank you for what you do.
This is incredibly informative. Thank you for taking the time to provide us with this info. I had no idea.
The thing that sucks is that they have shown that they don't care about us, they will be blatant about their dishonesty and manipulation with no explanation and expect that it won't matter because BTS are korean and so they stir the pot of discrediting both them and army as outsiders/bots/crazy fandom so that our voice won't matter to who they consider as the GP (passive listeners who won't challenge their ecosystem, american industry insiders.). if they can just not count sales on a whim or have shady criteria (which they conveniently mostly only started changing in response to fans purchasing music and messing up their cushy system), then there isn't much we can do except to keep buying and being loyal music consumers to show in the actual data how skewed their chart is. even if bts never chart high again (doubtful), at least our purchases will show how messed up it is that the charts are valuing passive listening and criteria that don't benefit musicians over actual money, loyalty and support for the people who make music. Other musicians only dream of a fanbase like ours, both for money and for their music to be actually appreciated and heard. So we can still make history with our support even if we only see the benefit of it years down the line when the rules start negatively impacting some white artist, 'the gp' start feeling like they have to pay attention, and then they can see all of ARMY's data as more evidence for how corrupt billboard has been for years. If we give up all together at charting/streaming/buying, it gives the system exactly what it wants and that's for us to shut up and disappear into some niche kpop market again. they want us demoralized so that we stop supporting artists we love, because they want the power to control who the public 'loves'. if a label can 'buy' radio or streaming support for a number one or top ten hit, but then bts releases in the same week and fans put them at number one instead, it pisses some powerful music industry people off and upsets their system. the only way to reveal it is to keep buying/streaming, be loud, and hope one day someone 'important' decides that it's too embarrassing to keep degrading the legitimacy of their chart for this system, or hope that they get bad publicity or labels decide it's not worth the payola anymore if they get caught out like this or beat by bts and decide to be more honest in the system. but it may never happen. either way, we want bts to be able to make the music they want to make, and for the doors to be open to them for as long as possible, and we are putting our foot in the door for them and forcing it open by buying while the corrupt industry tries to close it. If only people would listen to us and realize this is a bigger issue than just ARMY and BTS being screwed over, artists can't make money anymore, and that means they can't control their careers or music, and the decision making is in people's hands who only want power and don't care about artists. if all fanbases would recognize this and start buying music or being loud about it, it would benefit the artists they claim to love so so so much. even indy artists would be able to keep going if people just realized how far buying their albums or concert tickets goes for them instead of mindlessly relying on radio or streaming.
Yes as artists receive only pennies from streaming it's disgusting how little they get. UK radio plays far more to the artist per spin then do streaming services.
Thank you for the detailed explanation of "the charting situation". Your clear calm voice made it enjoyable to listen to but still frustrating to hear.