Definitely agree, Giannis' leadership at 5.5 was probably an attempt to make the numbers works so that steph ends up above him 😂. Just kidding, on a serious note though i think steph's defense deserves at least a 5 since he is a smart excellent team defender but Giannis deserves a 7-8 in leadership giving 110% every game and leading his teammates to do the same, winning a championship with a good but not excellent supporting cast and being the most valuable player in a finals series i have ever seen. In my eyes they are 1A and 1B right now with Steph's immense gravity making him the best offensive player in the league and Giannis' ability to single handedly win games by himself making him equally good.
Many will argue this but tell me how many other players get doubled and tripled every game and still average 28 pts while playing some underrated defense
I mean, they used to quadruple team Giannis. Idk if you're old enough to remember the 'Giannis Wall'. But yeah, that didn't last longer than a season because Giannis became a better passer. Steph is All Time great, but he's not better than Giannis right now.
I think you're high on Tatum and low on Jokic's leadership. What more is he supposed to do for his teammates? He gets them open shots with insane passing. The whole offense is built around him. When he's on the court it's a great team, when he's off they're the bottom of the league. I'd bump that up to have Steph, Giannis, and Jokic as a very close top three, and give Tatum a hit on leadership and/or offense based on his finals performance and drop him to below Luca and Jimmy. Might bump Luca up to the Lebron and KD level too. I think he's more unstoppable and a better leader than you have him, but I'd give him a worse defense than Steph so maybe it evens out.
In fairness I wouldn't use that to measure leadership, but as much as I like Jokic but he as a two time mvp does get a pass for lack team success. Tatum isn't Boston leader and it seems like marcus smart is. I also don't think emibid is a great leader. A lot of these young guys aren't really good leaders and that's more so with their age and not skill. We are starting to move into the Era where the star players are not the leaders.
I think jokic leadership is 6 because jokic and his teammates cant get there chemistry yet there ball movement is not that good and especially their defense, Leadership means all the players should work together and be a team but the denver nuggets only hopes on jokic, When jokic is on the bench his teammates can't run the offense and defense unlike the Memphis and the warriors.
It's telling that in the intro he described it as elevating those around you, but called that "leadership" when he was actually making the evaluations. That way he could make it more nebulous instead of speaking specifically about how the players improve those around him. But, yeah, high level playmaking does improve all of those around you. For others, having insane gravity can improve the situation for those around you. For others, calling out where to be on the floor on defense and communicating well can really improve the defense of those around you. Anyhow, this whole "analysis" was just too shallow.
@@HummingbirdCyborg Exactly! I mean a sort of culture building leadership like Steph has also matters, but I'd give Steph a 10 for pulling defenders away from his teammates more than for being great to work with and inspiring the team. Chris Paul and Lebron are great playmakers, I have no problem with them being 8s, but neither can stick with a team and Lebron has destroyed multiple teams, so why would they be so high if that's your metric? When Steph or Lebron are on the court, their teammates score more and are in better positions. That's why they deserve good "leadership" numbers. When Jokic is on the court, same deal.
Yeah not a fan of bron but you can say hes not a good defender or not a scorer but man hes leadership should be high, they clearly forgot how lebron as a 22 yr old brought the cavs to the finals
@@Lucas-vr1qr yeah his defense degrade over the years unlike his heat and second stint with cavs, i dont mean to tell that hes an awful, just making the arguement that you can say anything about his game but his leadership is one of the best
If you give Jimmy a 7 for leadership, then Giannis also must be at least on 7 which give him a total of 25. Steph defense should be at least on 6. He is slightly above the average of NBA defense. He may lack in size and athleticism for individual defense, but Steph is really good for team defense and has pretty good BBIQ for defense. My top 5 based from 2021-2022 season: 1Steph, 2Giannis, 3Jokic, 4Tatum, 5Luka.
Giving Giannis a 5 for leadership was a glaring Red flag in this video. He led a small market team to a chip while putting on one of the most impressive finals performances of our lifetime. He’s leadership exemplified
He did that so Steph would still be number one. A bunch of the numbers are dodgy, because he needed to keep their totals below Steph's. It's a biased garbage video.
Am i the only one who thinks Lebron should not get such high leadership. He can take over every game he wants to, not debating that but when it comes to LEADERSHIP i feel like he is one of the worst All Time Greats. He cant play with young players since he rants on them for doing wrong. First the Lakers Squad in 2018 wich had to be broken up cuz Lebron made them worse it feels like. (Every big name of that Trade back then is slowly starting to shine.....) Sorry for my grammar wasnt really paying attention. I would give Bron a 6 on leadership just based of the fact that he can dominate any game if he chooses too.
Haters are always gonna find a reason to dismiss Steph Curry as one of, if not the, best player in the NBA. And all he's gonna do is continue to win championships.
Let me guess your a Steph fanboy which probably makes you bias, and not agreeing that steph is the best it's not hating its just people know Giannis is the best player in the nba🤷
@@gamewiz8877 how can Giannis be better than Curry when he only has 1 championship and couldn’t even make it to back to back finals ? 🤔 Curry been to 5 straight finals 6 in total with 4 championship there’s levels to this greatness
I think you messed up on some things For one, Giannis's leadership should be higher.. Butler's offense and leadership need to be higher. Luka's defense is absolutely atrocious. 5 is way too much. Curry should get a 5 in defense, Luka like 3. His offense a bit higher at 9 though. Durant's defense should be at like 6. I think Embiid shouldn't be getting a 9 in offense, and his leadership could be like 5.5 or 6. Kyrie should also be bumped down a bit on offense. LeBron's leadership is a 10 no question. Jokic should get a 10 in offense, his defense should be a solid 5, and leadership 8. I think you messed up Jokic a bit. Ja is probably a 7.5 on offense, but his defense is atrocious. Just because he's athletic and has some highlights doesn't mean he's a good defender. I'd give him a 3 at the most on defense. Kawhi 9 on defense, and 7.5 on offense, and like 5 on leadership. He's inconsistent but he can take over for sure. CP3's defense should be WAY higher than 2. He doesn't provide much stopping anymore, but in his prime he was a consistent All-Defensive team guy. I'd give him a 4 or 5. And leadership like 9. You're way overrating Tatum. Offense... we saw him get exposed in the Finals. 7 is fine. Defense at 7.5 is fine. And leadership should be like 5. JB was the leader in the Finals, not JT Siakam isn't overrated. He should be a 6, 6.5, and 6.5. KAT gets a 8 on offense, 4 on defense. Zion should get like a 7.5 on offense and a 5 on defense. Trae should be about 8.5 on offense, and 7 on leadership
I agree with most of your comment. However, Lebron won't be getting a 10 on leadership. He throws his teammates under the bus and leaves the court while the game is still going. That's not good leadership. An 8 at most.
i agree with what that guy said in your comments also how are you gonna knock a 24 year old who managed to carry his team to the finals he still had huge games against the bucks and heat, just because he wasn't the main scorer for his team in the finals , because again he's going against a top 2 regular season defense team in the warriors who have an experienced head coach, doesn't mean he deserves to be treated like a second option to brown, because I can confidently say Jt is that guy for Boston. Also I agree with everything else you said
I like your take but Lebron is no less than 8 in leadership, however perforamance gave momentum to his teammates in almost winning the games (if you look on how bron got groin injury and missed the playoffs). But leadership is very questionable even in miami heat. Dwade was the leader and when he walks out without finishing the game (in cleveland) and trading anyone during the season that will not help him win the basketball shows that HE WANTS CAPABLE GUYS ALREADY but does not help them elevate their game to match his. But if you score intellect in basketball, he is 10 no doubt. He's mind is a fking book.
Lukas defense is far from that bad. His height makes him a better shot blocker than Steph. He isn’t as easily dominated in the paint either. The notion that his d is super bad is similar to Steph’s in that its simply not the case.
How you gonna say Doncic's defense is atrocious then point him higher than Curry? Steph is a massively under rated defender. You're watching too much Skip Bayless or Nick Wright and beginning to sound like the Curry doubters. Doncic's turnstile D is an easy 2 or 3, Threezus is at the very least an average defender (5) and more likely a sneaky above average one (6). Maybe actually watch the games instead of soaking up salty Espn hot takes.
@@suckmygooglies99 lol he was 4th in defensive efficiency amongst guards... these narratives need to stop asap. The only reason stars used to target him on D is because the other options are klay, draymond, iggy, durant or looney lmao. Wake up
Steph changes the way the other team has to play more than anyone ever. His gravity completely warps the defense and destroys defensive concepts and principles. Best player? Maybe. But there’s no question that he impacts winning more than anyone else and isn’t winning the point? Herm Edwards summed it up: You play to WIN THE GAME!
@@carsonreinhardt3706 ok just cause he has highlights of blocking shots doesnt mean he is a good defender that's like saying shaq hit a 3 must be a good 3pt shooter ja is trash on defense
Ur basically saying he's a better defender than jokic. I mean it when I say i am curry fan, like I would ride his meat if I could. I'd bump stephs defense to 5.5 but that's only because in bias lol
Thats fair enough, but imo as much as im a warrior fan, id give steph defense a 6. If he makes it to an all nba defense team (which idk if he ever made it) then i consider giving him that or a 7.
Steph is a best if not an elite defender!!! When I say elite, i don't mean elite in terms of the Draymond level... No!! He's size and built does not allow him to do that... but in terms of guarding others aside from bigs or centres, he has done excellently well... Most teams in the play offs lost because they thought they could target at him in the playoffs and what they met wasn't what they bargained for... Denver, Mavs and Celtic tried attacking him and each time they do, Curry gave them a shocker. At certain point, designed play were altered cos they never expected Curry to defend that much... It's analyst that doesn't want to put Curry on the goat convo that brings up defense as his weakness... Curry had always been a good defender I could remember in 2018 finals when LeBron was attacking him but each time he does, Curry always had a better of him. But curry mesmerized Bron when Bron tried guarding him... I'm still in awe how this analyst and media persona make Curry look bad defensively when in actual fact Curry has been so Good!!! How can you call a player that is high in steal and rebound a bad defender... not the padded score like those of the Westbrook stats but on real work stats... Curry is not just the best player, He is the GOAT of basketball!!!!
People who watched the playoffs knew how great Steph defense was, they couldn't abuse him every time they attack him he held on his own and he averaged like 1.5 steals in the playoffs
Curry : 9, 6, 9 = 24 Gianni's : 8, 9, 7 = 24 Factor for best player this season is finals MVP and NBA Player of the Year Winner: Steph Curry That's for me .. what you think 💬?
@@Ackiut offense doesn't just mean shooting, wilt chamberlain was a horrible shooter and still averaged 50. Shaq was a horrible shooter and won 3 finals mvps in a row as the leading scorer.
@@Ackiut yeah but i don’t think you’d have shaq or wilts offense at a 7 ? and when giannis averaged 30 in the regular season and led the playoffs in scoring with 32 ppg, how can you put his offense at a 7?
Yeah. Its time to give Steph his title. His game LITERALLY translate to championships. You can make the case for other players but im putting my money on the guy who gets it done when it counts.
Love the content, mate! Keep it up. We only saw a small sample size, but the amount of points Zion gave up in the post made every opponent at hall of fame scoring pace. Zion is a sorry defender who produces highlight blocks when he's not the primary defender. Steph Curry isn't as much a liability on defense as has been advertised. He ain't making an all-defensive team, but he holds his own every single year in the playoffs. He gets targeted because he has some crazy good defenders surrounding him and the opponent desperately needs him to have no legs or he will be making jumpers deep in the game. Lebron hasn't made an all defensive team in a decade. He is infamous for taking plays off on defense. I think his defense is overrated and now his age is showing. Tatum's leadership score should have tanked after what we saw in the finals. He was disengaged and tunneled on his own game. He didn't make others around him better. KD's leadership is overrated. Where exactly has he gone where the locker room had less drama? Its the opposite. He adds more distractions than positive vibes. I might give Jokic a bit of a bump in leadership. The way he gets his team involved, his sneaky good charisma, and his low ego makes his team play better. I'd give Embiid a bump in defense, but not much.
A solid mid range jumper may help Giannis more than having a 3pt shot as he would be able to shoot anywhere inside the arc. Making him more consistent of a player in clutch. Respect to curry and Giannis
@@albertoagilar1807 Many Big Greats can score outside the paint consistently. Kareem has the *sky hook* , Hakeem has post game (Dream Shake), Duncan has bank shots and hooks, etc.
I would say he’s definitely the best player in the league. His only down side is defense. But he doesn’t have to guard the best player on the court, you got Wiggins that can handle that job. Steve Kerr’s system of ball movement and players always moving is a problem.
As of latest season yes but they will never accept or acknowledge it even on how hard he carried them to championship. They would still say kumpo-kumpo or jokic and would even go to extremes to put KD in conversation lol.
Giannis averaging 33.9 points against the Celtics (oh he's not really that guy he lacks a 3 point shot), Steph averaging 31 points against the Celtcis (oh my God he is the best ever)
Great arguments. Yeah… Curry scares the whole opposing team as soon as he crosses the half court line. And he can with an array of floaters and off hand lay ups. Unstoppable
If we're going to rank these categories on a scale of 1-10, a five should be neutral, no net positive or negative. Six or greater should be a positive, and four or less a liability. Curry is absolutely not a liability on defense, hasn't been for years. At worst he's neutral, but there's an argument to be made that he's a net positive. Not a major net positive, but net positive all the same. Luka and Ja, on the other hand, are both liabilities on defense, and it's hard to say which one is worse. Luke uses defensive possessions to rest, but at least he has size, and thus potential if he gets into better shape. He is also motivated to improve after the Warriors exposed him in the WCF. Ja is a joke on defense, don't let the occasional highlight reel play fool you, and he's not self-aware enough to be motivated to improve. He needs a few more early exits to light a fire under his ass, but I doubt even then that defense will fall within his wheelhouse. Lebron is a 10 on offense - if he's not scoring, he's setting his teammates up to score. He's also a solid defender, but no longer gives a rip about the regular season and doesn't put in the effort most games. My only concern about his defense is if he can crank it back up for an entire post-season run, or if he'll get gassed from the extra effort after a series or two. KD is a 10 offense, he just had a bad series against the Celtics. However, the entirety of the dumpster fire that is Brooklyn rests squarely on KD's shoulders, including Kyrie's refusal to get vaccinated, or even play the gd game. KD is the de facto leader of that team, and he's shite at it. I wouldn't even give him a 1 except your scale doesn't go to zero, so . . .
no way you gave giannis a 5.5 on leadership, he leads his team as much as jimmy butler or luka, and you even put jaylen brown ahead of him Edit: same with jokic, how can you give him 6 on leadership if he is basically a top 3 playmaker who leads his team every time and made it to conference finals last time he actually had good teamates
Leading your team in stats means you have good leadership? 🤔Irving and Durant are 10 leaders then. It's a tangible attribute that can't actually be measured. I never have heard Giannis' is a good leader either. Doesn't mean he isn't, but you have nothing to go off of.
I've never heard Curry or LeBron are great off court leaders either, and MJ was flat out bad. Usually you want your 3rd or 4th best guy to be the leader, so that the best guy can be just that. You want Draymond being the team captain, CP3 at this stage of his career, or Marcus Smart. Philly dropped when Jimmy left. The Bucks probably live or die on Jrue being a leader. To rephrase Chuck: You need three types on a championship bus - the bus (the superstar), the driver and conductor (the coach and the captain), and the riders. Curry, Giannis and Tatum are buses. Smart, Dray and Jrue are drivers with good conductors in Kerr, Bud and Udoka-Stevens. And the passengers are good too (and have to pitch in on the trip too).
@@ItIsYouAreNotYour are you serious? jaylen brown averages 3 assists per game and contributing to less points and wins then giannis or jokic but still gets 6 points for leadership. while giannis who averages 6 assist while carring his team to championship, jokic also caried his team to playoffs with horrible squad
I'm sorry but Shaq said it best: Steph is the best player in the world. Durant is a husk of himself, Lebron is on a downturn, Kwahi is a question mark ... that's the competition. And I don't even need to say what Curry did/does/can do
@@savonsanders3955 exactly, that just proves how much giannis relies on his teammates and not the other way around. LeBron won in 2016 without any other player, dude had Holiday and a bunch of other good players and a blew a 3-2 lead, that's simply not excusable if he's the best player in the world which he isn't for me. If giannis was considered as the best player after he won the chip and FMVP, Steph should be too. "The best player in the world" shouldn't rely on Middleton's shot making. I have Steph at 1, Giannis at 2, Jokic at 3.
I believe Luka should be above butler and its not even close and i think he's also better than curry right now too. The reason why luka lost to the warriors was because his team had way less depth than the warriors who have curry and klay thompson, wiggins and poole who are all star level players (not to mention draymond green and kevon looney who are also key players) while the luka didnt really have much help aside from jalen brunson and spencer dinwiddie who arent really as good as thompson wiggins and poole. Also Luka literally had better stats than curry averaging 32 points, 9 reb, and 6 assists a game in that series while curry averaged 24 pts, 7 reb and 7 assists. Also, luka even had a higher gamescore than butler and curry whith a gamescore of 22.9 while curry had a gamescore of 18.9 and butler had a gamescore of 22 (in the eastern conference finals) so, clearly luka is also a different animal in the playoffs and not just butler or curry. I mean, he literally carried the mavs to the western conference finals. Saying luka isnt at least better than butler is wrong and if you want to say curry is better because he won a ring or whatever then sure, but i at least think he should be higher than butler. I would also say that jokic and giannis are better than curry too.
Are you old enough to remember the Giannis Wall? They used to Quadruple team him in transition, then he starting passing, put a stop to that real quick.
@@---kr3zg I am pretty sure nobody saw how KD was getting guarded against the Celtics. Like the Celtics were basically harassing KD from all angles and his teammates weren’t doing shit to help him.
@@09lowkey the Giannis walk is only in the paint Steph gets guarded everywhere on the court They tried to play drop and he destroyed them with shooting and when they guarded him closer he blew by them and finished at the rim at an elite level
It’s even more than the criteria listed. Otherwise you’d be comparing centers, forwards, and guards. It should be weighted mostly on the talent vs. a replacement player at the same position. Then you take into account scoring, defense, and leadership.Great video though. Nice and thorough.
Morant's defense is higher than Steph's because he grabbed a ball out of the air (athleticism) and blocked Irving once? We talking about as a totality. Morants defense is the lowest on this chart. He hasn't displayed the defensive IQ of others on this list and is so bad that it makes his team defensively worst when he's on the floor. You can't say the same about anyone else here except maybe Irving and that's strictly contributed to his size a majority of the time.
I wouldn’t say lowest défense because trae young exists but definitely low. I don’t know why Ja’s offence is lower then his defence. This list doesn’t really make sense
Pascal is underrated lol. You don’t know you are talking about his defense is elite and his offense is near elite. And 2 All-NBA teams and a ring as the 2nd/3rd best player over the last few years speaks for itself
How can Curry have 10 on offence when he was 14th in scoring this season with not being very inefficient as well. For example you give Booker a 7 when he outscored him with better 2pt and 3pt percentage. Those are regular season stats so you will tell me what about the playoffs. Well he was 5th in scoring with very similar efficiency with Doncic and Butler. You will tell me offence is not only points it is assists too. Well he was 24th in the regular season and 14th in the post season. To conclude Doncic is over him in every category in offence both in the regular and post season and he is not the only one. Also I love that 5.5 leadership on Giannis so you can crown Curry the best
Probably the most important thing for your star player to have if you want to win, honestly. Every star player is going to be outstanding on one end of the floor and should be able to learn not to be a liability on the other, but leadership from that star player is what makes or breaks your team.
But was biased cause Giannis leadership is at least 7...LBJ leadership like it or not is at least a 9 and offense is at least an 8..jalen brown offense is at a 7...
@@kingcort8073 It's his opinion, of course. I agree that LBJ and Giannis were a bit underrated, but there's lots of places where I wouldn't score things the same way. Giannis has a strong argument for being the best in the NBA by this scoring system, though you could also argue that Curry's defense was a bit underrated. I also think that Tatum's offense was overrated - I don't think he's a top 3 player in the league right now. Here's some good comparisons - this video scores Tatum's offense higher than Luka's? Seriously? And Luka's defense scored higher than Steph's? Neither of those lines up with what I saw in the playoffs.
@@whop100000 yeah it's his opinion but he shouldn't be biased enough to say giannis leadership is that low just cause he wanted curry to be the best player .. cause in all categories...only Giannis objectively passes curry with Giannis 9/8.5/8...Curry 9/6/10
@@kingcort8073 I'd personally put Curry at 10/5/10. He's the most impactful player in the game on offense because of the way the other team has to guard him everywhere on the floor, regardless of whether he has the ball or not. If you don't do that he torches you, but if you commit enough to defending him then he'll let his teammates torch you. That also ties into his leadership some. I think I'd put Giannis at something like 9/9/7, which actually happens to tie him with the numbers I just gave Curry. Giannis is very impactful on both offense and defense, but he doesn't change the entire dynamic of the game on either end the same way that Curry does on offense. His leadership is solid, but he hasn't shown anywhere near the ability to elevate and unite a team like Curry, LBJ, or CP3 can. He is good enough on both ends of the court to elevate the Bucks to contender status almost by himself, but he hasn't proven able to find a consistent answer to opponents focusing their entire series plan on him yet. If I had to pick one guy to build a 2023 NBA team around, Curry would be my first choice. That said, Giannis is SO close behind that I certainly don't blame you if you'd take him instead.
100% agree with u. Steph. Curry is so under-rated. Many ex-NBA players even look down on him because of his thin and short body. To me, Steph. Curry has even outperformed MJ in term of modern basketball. Basically, MJ and Curry are two most iconic superstars in the history of professional basketball. I've heard a Chinese sayings goes like "No one dunk or smile like Michael. MJ made you love to watch baskebtall; No one shoot or shimmy like Curry. He made you love to play the game." Thank you.
Dude what the hell 🤔😂😂😂😂 Curry been to 5 straight finals 6 in total and 4 championship, Giannis only has 1 and couldn’t even make it back to back there’s level to greatness
I like these videos but one thing is to be concise and give the data that each player deserves according to what you understand, I'm a fan of gsw and curry is my favorite player, but seriously do you give bron an 8 in leadership? and luka a 7 and jokic a 6? seriously, more objectivity please that fanaticism does not influence as much as it is being perceived in this video, my first and I hope only criticism of a faithful follower of your videos.
Many will disagree, But steph curry is a 6'3 that is doubled and triple team every game and still averages 27.4 ppg in the playoffs and 25.5 ppg in the season
Your list is very VERY SUBJECTIVE . Although I respect the effort you put in , there seems to be a misunderstanding about what qualifies as leadership ... , because I'm sure as hell lebron did not make his teammates better in the 2021-22 season nor did Jimmy . Also Jaylen brown is a slightly better leader than Giannis ? I mean HONESTLY WTF ?
I'll give you that one but personally I'd rather have a great player who leads his team to the championship rather than the best player in the league. The former is a lot more satisfying than the latter for fans.
@@ballhandler2573 I can agree with that curry is clearly an underrated defender !! For me the top 2 is giannis and curry clear, you can debate which one is first and which one is second
This list is hogwash. Morant better at defense than Luka? Luka was around 1.5 defence rating while Morant was at the negatives, but it doesn't matter this video is to bolster Curry which is also complete nonsense. Have we forgotten that Luka had zero I repeat zero all-star in his roster, took the Mavs to west conference finals and yet he got a score of 7 in leadership? In what way did Curry elevate his teammates? Last I looked he got carried at the regular season by the young guys. Sure playoffs is where it matters but to me best player should be best at most if not all categories and Curry didn't show that last season. This is a Stephen Curry jerk off video. Unbelievable.
The best player is the one who FORCES defenders out of position so that they cannot defend effectively. Curry is that guy because he has so many ways to force defenders to be out of position on himself but also on his teammates which allows them to make easy buckets. Sometimes this discombobulates the other players or the whole team causing them to lose focus. As an added factor Curry's constant movements can fatigue his opponents which is a good way to lower their shooting percentage.
The disrespect to Embiid is insane, he is an amazing defender, and his ability to make his teammates better is insane. When he came back in the playoffs, though only averaged 16 since hurt, the Sixers won their first 2 games after losing 2.
Would give Steph an above average defense rating. Earlier in his career he was a liability, but nowadays, he's actually a pretty good defender in general. I'd give a 6, mostly just because he's undersized.
The content is 100 percent correct..i mean, Curry is the GOAT!!! He has all the abilities to become a champion. He leads his team. He always find ways to elevate his team mates unlike the other guys like Morant who always hold the ball for the longest time. Curry wants his team mates to shine like him. He is the salt and light to his team. Go Steph..
It's a discussion. Honestly, Steph could be a defensive liability if it weren't for the others being locked in most of the time. Every team tries to take advantage of mismatches on Steph but nobody's been able to execute consistently. I can't agree simply because I'm not sure if Steph would be as deadly offensively on another team and in another system. He might be, but we will probably never know. Okay, I was convinced by the end of this video. The thing I liked most about Kobe, who is my GOAT, was his work ethic. I don't think there is anyone in the league who works harder than Steph. That seals the deal for me.
Putting kawhi Leonard’s leadership so low is a very poor assessment. When he won two championships and two FMVPS. Judging him for one failed(questionable) Orlando bubble championship but forgetting curry’s leadership during their 3-1 choke in the NBA FINALS is flawed. Apart from kawhis injuries dude performed at the highest level against curry and lebron and giannis. Kawhi is easily top 3 if not the best in the NBA.
Thats 100% accurate. And steph being light skinned with no racist bone in his body , likable by everybody, you have to give it up to this guy. He is something special hands down, the goat...
Personally I disagree. Giannis is unstoppable on offense, and he is developing a three point shot. And I’d argue that he is a phenomenal team leader, so in my opinion he’s the best player in the league.
Steph's defense has improved to about 7 this past year. Add to the physical coverage how he tires the opposition out and dispirits their play all of which has an effect on their shooting percentage. How do we meaure it? Well, it has to be counted as part of the reason that the Celtics scored less than 100 points in all four of their losses in the Finals.
You missed a very important criteria imo: whether players actually play a lot (due to injury, being stuborn or load management). You cannot be the best if you only oplay half of the games no?
I am a Warriors fan but I personally have Giannis who is a better defender and younger although he more limited offensive game especially in high pressure clutch situations. It is close though. Curry is an underrated defender and has an unstoppable offensive game and can contribute so much now even when he's having a bad shooting night. His game 4 this year in the finals is absolutely legendary.
It's not fair to say that Giannis is a better defender. U gotta understand warriors play TEAM defense not individually. And also Steph Curry is only 6'2 compare to giannis
Hot take. Steph's leadership is not a 10. He's a fine leader, but Draymond should be credited for leading and lifting up the other players on the team, more than Steph. If Steph was such a great leader, what in the world would they need Draymond for? He would be overpaid for someone who is just a good defender and offers no offense.
Warriors culture is mostly Steph... If that's not leadership on and off the court, I don't know what is. Draymond is definitely the louder first mate who keeps the rest in line. But who do they look to for inspiration and rally behind as a team? STEPH... that's leadership.
@@aneeshanand9621 oh yh... I bet the warriors are so much better without him... Oh wait ... His playstyle would actually make him a killer in ball hogging teams cos he'd be just, as good or better as other elite scoring guards like Kyrie and harden. He is always gonna be a catch and shoot threat. Maybe a little less off-ball movement. In what universe does that look like a flop signing. You're just a hater fr
Giannis offense at 8? id at least give it a 9 or 9.5 considering he averaged 29.9 ppg and 5.8 apg, better offensive stats than curry's 25.5 ppg and 6.3 apg. while giannis does lack a consistent 3pt shot, it is somewhat made up for by the fact that when he drives into the paint, he can often find an open man after 3 defenders collapse onto him to stop him from scoring in the paint. Giannis leadership at 5.5? i mean, you gave 0 reasoning for any of your leadership scores so i don't even know what this is based off of. but id give him between 7-9 at least, so 8. imo giannis wins here but thats just me
Yeah, Curry is actually an above-average defender, contrary to popular belief. Much like Green, he also directs people during the game when playing defense. So, I'm not even sure how you would give the guy a 4 on defense. I hope he watches this. Zion at 16.5 is probably too generous considering his lack of discipline, nonexistent leadership, and that we don't even know if he can still play at the same level.
Who are your top 5 current PG in the league?
1.Steph Curry
2. Chris Paul
3. Kyrie Irving
4. Luka Doncic
5. Ja Morant
In my opinion
1 curry
2 doncic
3 young
4 cp3 "in the regular season"
5 Irving
Curry
Doncic
Ja
Young
Kyrie
1. Curry
2.Doncic
3.CP3
4.Kyrie
5.Ja Morant
1.curry
2.Luka
3.ja
4.trae
5.kyrie
Would boost Steph’s defense a bit higher after this year’s display but Giannis’ leadership at 5.5 is criminal
I would agree with hoop reports
curry defense should be 6 or 7 giannis leadership might be 6 or 7 also
Since Steph beefed up he is now a 2 way player, so Hoop Reports off. Dude was locking up Marcus Smart on both ends.
Yea for me I'd give Steph def like a 6 or 6.5, Giannis up leadership to like a 7
Definitely agree, Giannis' leadership at 5.5 was probably an attempt to make the numbers works so that steph ends up above him 😂. Just kidding, on a serious note though i think steph's defense deserves at least a 5 since he is a smart excellent team defender but Giannis deserves a 7-8 in leadership giving 110% every game and leading his teammates to do the same, winning a championship with a good but not excellent supporting cast and being the most valuable player in a finals series i have ever seen. In my eyes they are 1A and 1B right now with Steph's immense gravity making him the best offensive player in the league and Giannis' ability to single handedly win games by himself making him equally good.
Curry can't be rated lower than Booker on Defense.
Or luka. Steph should be a 6 on defense (above average) while luka should be a 3 or 4.
Or Morant, who literally is -1.3 on the floor. The lowest of any star.
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Many will argue this but tell me how many other players get doubled and tripled every game and still average 28 pts while playing some underrated defense
Giannis, although his defense isn't underrated.
I mean, they used to quadruple team Giannis. Idk if you're old enough to remember the 'Giannis Wall'. But yeah, that didn't last longer than a season because Giannis became a better passer. Steph is All Time great, but he's not better than Giannis right now.
It's really close but Giannis got a slight edge. Debatable for sure I'm ok with this
@@09lowkey steph had a higher FG% than giannis vs the celtics and giannis is a big man. That’s embarrassing.
@@myweirdsecondchannelwithap9070 has steph been a dpoy candidate for multiple years in a row tho
I think you're high on Tatum and low on Jokic's leadership. What more is he supposed to do for his teammates? He gets them open shots with insane passing. The whole offense is built around him. When he's on the court it's a great team, when he's off they're the bottom of the league. I'd bump that up to have Steph, Giannis, and Jokic as a very close top three, and give Tatum a hit on leadership and/or offense based on his finals performance and drop him to below Luca and Jimmy. Might bump Luca up to the Lebron and KD level too. I think he's more unstoppable and a better leader than you have him, but I'd give him a worse defense than Steph so maybe it evens out.
He doesn't like Jokic. Thinks Embiid should have won MVP.
In fairness I wouldn't use that to measure leadership, but as much as I like Jokic but he as a two time mvp does get a pass for lack team success. Tatum isn't Boston leader and it seems like marcus smart is. I also don't think emibid is a great leader. A lot of these young guys aren't really good leaders and that's more so with their age and not skill. We are starting to move into the Era where the star players are not the leaders.
I think jokic leadership is 6 because jokic and his teammates cant get there chemistry yet there ball movement is not that good and especially their defense, Leadership means all the players should work together and be a team but the denver nuggets only hopes on jokic, When jokic is on the bench his teammates can't run the offense and defense unlike the Memphis and the warriors.
It's telling that in the intro he described it as elevating those around you, but called that "leadership" when he was actually making the evaluations. That way he could make it more nebulous instead of speaking specifically about how the players improve those around him.
But, yeah, high level playmaking does improve all of those around you. For others, having insane gravity can improve the situation for those around you. For others, calling out where to be on the floor on defense and communicating well can really improve the defense of those around you.
Anyhow, this whole "analysis" was just too shallow.
@@HummingbirdCyborg Exactly! I mean a sort of culture building leadership like Steph has also matters, but I'd give Steph a 10 for pulling defenders away from his teammates more than for being great to work with and inspiring the team. Chris Paul and Lebron are great playmakers, I have no problem with them being 8s, but neither can stick with a team and Lebron has destroyed multiple teams, so why would they be so high if that's your metric? When Steph or Lebron are on the court, their teammates score more and are in better positions. That's why they deserve good "leadership" numbers. When Jokic is on the court, same deal.
Steph being graded 4 on defense is a big insult. Should at least be 6 if Booker has five.
Are you kidding? Booker is a defensive monster! It feels like he gets 4 steals, 4 blocks, and 17 boards a game.
@@88mphDrBrown these trolls bro 💀
@@88mphDrBrown Yeah, a moving cone
@@Siooc Lol, I laughed so hard by that though. Made my day
Bro stephs defense should be an 8 or 9 if lukas is 5
Short answer: Yes.
Long Answer: Most definitely.
Giannis betta
Giannis better
@@cltchprod7825 This video proved you wrong and you still come and try to say shit
i personally feel like lbj’s leadership is a 9. He is a solid 10 throughout his second cleveland run
I'm not even a Bron fan and I see he's rated to low........No way Tatum or Jokic is better even at this age.
This is the best player in the league currently, not back on 2016
Yeah not a fan of bron but you can say hes not a good defender or not a scorer but man hes leadership should be high, they clearly forgot how lebron as a 22 yr old brought the cavs to the finals
@@kurokuro8626 lebron has great defense, just not as much anymore
@@Lucas-vr1qr yeah his defense degrade over the years unlike his heat and second stint with cavs, i dont mean to tell that hes an awful, just making the arguement that you can say anything about his game but his leadership is one of the best
If you give Jimmy a 7 for leadership, then Giannis also must be at least on 7 which give him a total of 25. Steph defense should be at least on 6. He is slightly above the average of NBA defense. He may lack in size and athleticism for individual defense, but Steph is really good for team defense and has pretty good BBIQ for defense. My top 5 based from 2021-2022 season: 1Steph, 2Giannis, 3Jokic, 4Tatum, 5Luka.
Tatum is my birthday twin but he ain't better than Luka
Giving Giannis a 5 for leadership was a glaring Red flag in this video. He led a small market team to a chip while putting on one of the most impressive finals performances of our lifetime.
He’s leadership exemplified
exactly he has proven to me that he doesnt know numbers and only watches the warriors
He did that so Steph would still be number one.
A bunch of the numbers are dodgy, because he needed to keep their totals below Steph's.
It's a biased garbage video.
@@Schiltzenberger exactly this is the worst channel to ask that questio
Am i the only one who thinks Lebron should not get such high leadership. He can take over every game he wants to, not debating that but when it comes to LEADERSHIP i feel like he is one of the worst All Time Greats. He cant play with young players since he rants on them for doing wrong. First the Lakers Squad in 2018 wich had to be broken up cuz Lebron made them worse it feels like. (Every big name of that Trade back then is slowly starting to shine.....)
Sorry for my grammar wasnt really paying attention. I would give Bron a 6 on leadership just based of the fact that he can dominate any game if he chooses too.
@@Schiltzenbergeryou just don’t know basketball it’s ok cry 😂😂😂
Haters are always gonna find a reason to dismiss Steph Curry as one of, if not the, best player in the NBA. And all he's gonna do is continue to win championships.
Let me guess your a Steph fanboy which probably makes you bias, and not agreeing that steph is the best it's not hating its just people know Giannis is the best player in the nba🤷
Giannis is just better than Curry. Curry 2nd tho
I never see people hating curry. I just see people hating curry fans which makes sense
you exactly correct.he might not be the most athletic or the highest jumper but basketball is a team sport and hes the best basketball player today.
@@gamewiz8877 how can Giannis be better than Curry when he only has 1 championship and couldn’t even make it to back to back finals ? 🤔 Curry been to 5 straight finals 6 in total with 4 championship there’s levels to this greatness
If Kyrie has to defend himself he would drop 80
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Luka would drop 200
I think you messed up on some things
For one, Giannis's leadership should be higher..
Butler's offense and leadership need to be higher.
Luka's defense is absolutely atrocious. 5 is way too much. Curry should get a 5 in defense, Luka like 3. His offense a bit higher at 9 though.
Durant's defense should be at like 6.
I think Embiid shouldn't be getting a 9 in offense, and his leadership could be like 5.5 or 6.
Kyrie should also be bumped down a bit on offense.
LeBron's leadership is a 10 no question.
Jokic should get a 10 in offense, his defense should be a solid 5, and leadership 8. I think you messed up Jokic a bit.
Ja is probably a 7.5 on offense, but his defense is atrocious. Just because he's athletic and has some highlights doesn't mean he's a good defender. I'd give him a 3 at the most on defense.
Kawhi 9 on defense, and 7.5 on offense, and like 5 on leadership. He's inconsistent but he can take over for sure.
CP3's defense should be WAY higher than 2. He doesn't provide much stopping anymore, but in his prime he was a consistent All-Defensive team guy. I'd give him a 4 or 5. And leadership like 9.
You're way overrating Tatum. Offense... we saw him get exposed in the Finals. 7 is fine. Defense at 7.5 is fine. And leadership should be like 5. JB was the leader in the Finals, not JT
Siakam isn't overrated. He should be a 6, 6.5, and 6.5.
KAT gets a 8 on offense, 4 on defense.
Zion should get like a 7.5 on offense and a 5 on defense.
Trae should be about 8.5 on offense, and 7 on leadership
I agree with most of your comment. However, Lebron won't be getting a 10 on leadership. He throws his teammates under the bus and leaves the court while the game is still going. That's not good leadership. An 8 at most.
i agree with what that guy said in your comments also how are you gonna knock a 24 year old who managed to carry his team to the finals he still had huge games against the bucks and heat, just because he wasn't the main scorer for his team in the finals , because again he's going against a top 2 regular season defense team in the warriors who have an experienced head coach, doesn't mean he deserves to be treated like a second option to brown, because I can confidently say Jt is that guy for Boston. Also I agree with everything else you said
@@Kung-x6b Yeah no JT is amazing but he's not a very good leader. It'll get there with time but as of right now he's not the best leader.
I like your take but Lebron is no less than 8 in leadership, however perforamance gave momentum to his teammates in almost winning the games (if you look on how bron got groin injury and missed the playoffs). But leadership is very questionable even in miami heat. Dwade was the leader and when he walks out without finishing the game (in cleveland) and trading anyone during the season that will not help him win the basketball shows that HE WANTS CAPABLE GUYS ALREADY but does not help them elevate their game to match his. But if you score intellect in basketball, he is 10 no doubt. He's mind is a fking book.
Lukas defense is far from that bad. His height makes him a better shot blocker than Steph. He isn’t as easily dominated in the paint either. The notion that his d is super bad is similar to Steph’s in that its simply not the case.
How you gonna say Doncic's defense is atrocious then point him higher than Curry? Steph is a massively under rated defender. You're watching too much Skip Bayless or Nick Wright and beginning to sound like the Curry doubters. Doncic's turnstile D is an easy 2 or 3, Threezus is at the very least an average defender (5) and more likely a sneaky above average one (6). Maybe actually watch the games instead of soaking up salty Espn hot takes.
Steph used to be an awful defender. Sure he got a bit better but he is still a below average defender in the league.
@@suckmygooglies99 may e you should look up his defensive numbers. He's above average..............
@@suckmygooglies99 lol he was 4th in defensive efficiency amongst guards... these narratives need to stop asap. The only reason stars used to target him on D is because the other options are klay, draymond, iggy, durant or looney lmao. Wake up
but how is his offense rated above luka’s. I agree Steph’s defense is better, but on the offensive end I would take Luka over Steph.
@@zamler8710 that's because you don't understand basketball but that's okay buddy, you'll learn how wrong you are as u get more experienced
Real top 10 in order:
Steph, Giannis, Jokic, KD, Embiid, Lebron, Luka, Tatum, Ja, Butler/Kawhi
You have Curry’s defensive score way too low, he’s at least a 6.5 from team defense alone.
His average defense gets propped up by the great defenders on his team draymond Wiggins Garry Payton klay
@@hardwork3053 another pseudo fan who doesn’t understand the game. 😅
@@nessdagoat if the dubs play the bucks curry’s primary job would be guarding the bucks 5-6 best offensive player
@@hardwork3053 trash take 😅
@@nessdagoat curry literally gets hidden on defense
Steph changes the way the other team has to play more than anyone ever. His gravity completely warps the defense and destroys defensive concepts and principles. Best player? Maybe. But there’s no question that he impacts winning more than anyone else and isn’t winning the point? Herm Edwards summed it up: You play to WIN THE GAME!
steph curry is the best in the league
Curry should at least be a 5 on D his actually underrated on that end.
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Yeah. Also how are Luka and ja better defenders than curry. Lukas like a 2 on d and a 9 on offense
@@alpha_amphibian08 and ja might be worse on defense than trae
@@cameronsaintjohn9460 never ever 😂😂 Ja has good defense
@@carsonreinhardt3706 ok just cause he has highlights of blocking shots doesnt mean he is a good defender that's like saying shaq hit a 3 must be a good 3pt shooter ja is trash on defense
I would raise Curry’s defense to 6.5 because he is actually above average defender, curry is 26.5 and Gianni’s leadership into 6 so he is 24.
Ur basically saying he's a better defender than jokic. I mean it when I say i am curry fan, like I would ride his meat if I could. I'd bump stephs defense to 5.5 but that's only because in bias lol
Agreed
Thats fair enough, but imo as much as im a warrior fan, id give steph defense a 6. If he makes it to an all nba defense team (which idk if he ever made it) then i consider giving him that or a 7.
Steph is a best if not an elite defender!!!
When I say elite, i don't mean elite in terms of the Draymond level... No!! He's size and built does not allow him to do that... but in terms of guarding others aside from bigs or centres, he has done excellently well...
Most teams in the play offs lost because they thought they could target at him in the playoffs and what they met wasn't what they bargained for... Denver, Mavs and Celtic tried attacking him and each time they do, Curry gave them a shocker. At certain point, designed play were altered cos they never expected Curry to defend that much...
It's analyst that doesn't want to put Curry on the goat convo that brings up defense as his weakness... Curry had always been a good defender I could remember in 2018 finals when LeBron was attacking him but each time he does, Curry always had a better of him. But curry mesmerized Bron when Bron tried guarding him...
I'm still in awe how this analyst and media persona make Curry look bad defensively when in actual fact Curry has been so Good!!!
How can you call a player that is high in steal and rebound a bad defender... not the padded score like those of the Westbrook stats but on real work stats...
Curry is not just the best player, He is the GOAT of basketball!!!!
ok you all have gone crazy ladership 5.5? you guys dont watch basketball
why I love curry is he doesn't influence so much the gsw management decisions and you can say he is a humble guy
People who watched the playoffs knew how great Steph defense was, they couldn't abuse him every time they attack him he held on his own and he averaged like 1.5 steals in the playoffs
Curry : 9, 6, 9 = 24
Gianni's : 8, 9, 7 = 24
Factor for best player this season is finals MVP and NBA Player of the Year
Winner: Steph Curry
That's for me .. what you think 💬?
gianni’s should be 7 offense cus of his shooting
@CH boss but who the championship
@@Ackiut offense doesn't just mean shooting, wilt chamberlain was a horrible shooter and still averaged 50. Shaq was a horrible shooter and won 3 finals mvps in a row as the leading scorer.
@@moojj. i never said it was only shooting it can be a 9 when shooting is not there it has to be lower cus offense is overall
@@Ackiut yeah but i don’t think you’d have shaq or wilts offense at a 7 ? and when giannis averaged 30 in the regular season and led the playoffs in scoring with 32 ppg, how can you put his offense at a 7?
Yeah. Its time to give Steph his title. His game LITERALLY translate to championships. You can make the case for other players but im putting my money on the guy who gets it done when it counts.
2016 Curry is one of the best MVP season ever.
Love the content, mate! Keep it up.
We only saw a small sample size, but the amount of points Zion gave up in the post made every opponent at hall of fame scoring pace. Zion is a sorry defender who produces highlight blocks when he's not the primary defender.
Steph Curry isn't as much a liability on defense as has been advertised. He ain't making an all-defensive team, but he holds his own every single year in the playoffs. He gets targeted because he has some crazy good defenders surrounding him and the opponent desperately needs him to have no legs or he will be making jumpers deep in the game.
Lebron hasn't made an all defensive team in a decade. He is infamous for taking plays off on defense. I think his defense is overrated and now his age is showing.
Tatum's leadership score should have tanked after what we saw in the finals. He was disengaged and tunneled on his own game. He didn't make others around him better.
KD's leadership is overrated. Where exactly has he gone where the locker room had less drama? Its the opposite. He adds more distractions than positive vibes.
I might give Jokic a bit of a bump in leadership. The way he gets his team involved, his sneaky good charisma, and his low ego makes his team play better.
I'd give Embiid a bump in defense, but not much.
He was a first team all defense player in 2020
And second team last season what u talking bout
Also jokic is a trash leader who can’t keep it together in any moment that matters and when things go bad he starts to fight
@@smugbug6792 Link your source. I think you are operating in a different reality than the rest of us.
Steph Curry has been the best player in the world for at least seven years now. And don't forget, he went 50-45-90 in 2015
High on crack
A solid mid range jumper may help Giannis more than having a 3pt shot as he would be able to shoot anywhere inside the arc. Making him more consistent of a player in clutch. Respect to curry and Giannis
He's too strong to have a midrange shot
He suppose to be able to shoot 3s and all he is too strong for just mid range
@@albertoagilar1807 Many Big Greats can score outside the paint consistently. Kareem has the *sky hook* , Hakeem has post game (Dream Shake), Duncan has bank shots and hooks, etc.
Many people don't know this , but Giannis shot better (43%) from the midrange ( 11-17 feet ) than Curry , Bron and Dbook
@@nickc.4558 lol, if I take 10 shot and make all of them, then I shot a hundred percent, but this is much harder to do if I'm taking 50 shots.
I would say he’s definitely the best player in the league. His only down side is defense. But he doesn’t have to guard the best player on the court, you got Wiggins that can handle that job. Steve Kerr’s system of ball movement and players always moving is a problem.
So he's the best player in the league because he plays on a team that covers his flaws? lol
@@lolzoom1 Thanks you for this comment. I like Curry but these fanboys is ruining it for me.
@@lolzoom1 Every player has flaws. Name one player and I’ll point out their flaw
@@Martooo251 When did I say there's a flawless player? I'm just saying we shouldn't ignore their flaws just because they play on great teams.
As of latest season yes but they will never accept or acknowledge it even on how hard he carried them to championship. They would still say kumpo-kumpo or jokic and would even go to extremes to put KD in conversation lol.
Warriors fans r idiots who dont know basketball. They can be bodied in any debate 💀
You realise that koumpo-koumpo sound racist af
@@nickc.4558 nah. I'm never a racist and I like the greek-freak. His surname is just hard to spell and I wanted to comment asap that time 😂
Giannis averaging 33.9 points against the Celtics (oh he's not really that guy he lacks a 3 point shot), Steph averaging 31 points against the Celtcis (oh my God he is the best ever)
Graphics and content are on point! Man your info is so good.
Great arguments. Yeah… Curry scares the whole opposing team as soon as he crosses the half court line. And he can with an array of floaters and off hand lay ups. Unstoppable
If we're going to rank these categories on a scale of 1-10, a five should be neutral, no net positive or negative. Six or greater should be a positive, and four or less a liability.
Curry is absolutely not a liability on defense, hasn't been for years. At worst he's neutral, but there's an argument to be made that he's a net positive. Not a major net positive, but net positive all the same.
Luka and Ja, on the other hand, are both liabilities on defense, and it's hard to say which one is worse. Luke uses defensive possessions to rest, but at least he has size, and thus potential if he gets into better shape. He is also motivated to improve after the Warriors exposed him in the WCF. Ja is a joke on defense, don't let the occasional highlight reel play fool you, and he's not self-aware enough to be motivated to improve. He needs a few more early exits to light a fire under his ass, but I doubt even then that defense will fall within his wheelhouse.
Lebron is a 10 on offense - if he's not scoring, he's setting his teammates up to score. He's also a solid defender, but no longer gives a rip about the regular season and doesn't put in the effort most games. My only concern about his defense is if he can crank it back up for an entire post-season run, or if he'll get gassed from the extra effort after a series or two.
KD is a 10 offense, he just had a bad series against the Celtics. However, the entirety of the dumpster fire that is Brooklyn rests squarely on KD's shoulders, including Kyrie's refusal to get vaccinated, or even play the gd game. KD is the de facto leader of that team, and he's shite at it. I wouldn't even give him a 1 except your scale doesn't go to zero, so . . .
yeah!! i agree. and LBJ defense in offseason?? almost no effort unless he is mad hahah
no way you gave giannis a 5.5 on leadership, he leads his team as much as jimmy butler or luka, and you even put jaylen brown ahead of him
Edit: same with jokic, how can you give him 6 on leadership if he is basically a top 3 playmaker who leads his team every time and made it to conference finals last time he actually had good teamates
Leading your team in stats means you have good leadership? 🤔Irving and Durant are 10 leaders then. It's a tangible attribute that can't actually be measured. I never have heard Giannis' is a good leader either. Doesn't mean he isn't, but you have nothing to go off of.
I've never heard Curry or LeBron are great off court leaders either, and MJ was flat out bad. Usually you want your 3rd or 4th best guy to be the leader, so that the best guy can be just that.
You want Draymond being the team captain, CP3 at this stage of his career, or Marcus Smart. Philly dropped when Jimmy left. The Bucks probably live or die on Jrue being a leader.
To rephrase Chuck: You need three types on a championship bus - the bus (the superstar), the driver and conductor (the coach and the captain), and the riders.
Curry, Giannis and Tatum are buses. Smart, Dray and Jrue are drivers with good conductors in Kerr, Bud and Udoka-Stevens. And the passengers are good too (and have to pitch in on the trip too).
@@ItIsYouAreNotYour are you serious? jaylen brown averages 3 assists per game and contributing to less points and wins then giannis or jokic but still gets 6 points for leadership. while giannis who averages 6 assist while carring his team to championship, jokic also caried his team to playoffs with horrible squad
leaders are people who contribute to winning while also making teamates around them better, giannis and jokic are great at that
I'm sorry but Shaq said it best: Steph is the best player in the world.
Durant is a husk of himself, Lebron is on a downturn, Kwahi is a question mark ... that's the competition. And I don't even need to say what Curry did/does/can do
Giannis can join the club when he learns to shoot)
Lebrons defense is going downhill, kawhi isn’t good enough, giannis got locked up in the postseason
@@myweirdsecondchannelwithap9070 No he didn’t. They didn’t have Middleton so Giannis had to take more shots and was inefficient for his standards.
@@savonsanders3955 exactly, that just proves how much giannis relies on his teammates and not the other way around. LeBron won in 2016 without any other player, dude had Holiday and a bunch of other good players and a blew a 3-2 lead, that's simply not excusable if he's the best player in the world which he isn't for me. If giannis was considered as the best player after he won the chip and FMVP, Steph should be too. "The best player in the world" shouldn't rely on Middleton's shot making. I have Steph at 1, Giannis at 2, Jokic at 3.
@@someshsaharan5813 kyrie doesn’t exist?
I believe Luka should be above butler and its not even close and i think he's also better than curry right now too. The reason why luka lost to the warriors was because his team had way less depth than the warriors who have curry and klay thompson, wiggins and poole who are all star level players (not to mention draymond green and kevon looney who are also key players) while the luka didnt really have much help aside from jalen brunson and spencer dinwiddie who arent really as good as thompson wiggins and poole. Also Luka literally had better stats than curry averaging 32 points, 9 reb, and 6 assists a game in that series while curry averaged 24 pts, 7 reb and 7 assists. Also, luka even had a higher gamescore than butler and curry whith a gamescore of 22.9 while curry had a gamescore of 18.9 and butler had a gamescore of 22 (in the eastern conference finals) so, clearly luka is also a different animal in the playoffs and not just butler or curry. I mean, he literally carried the mavs to the western conference finals. Saying luka isnt at least better than butler is wrong and if you want to say curry is better because he won a ring or whatever then sure, but i at least think he should be higher than butler. I would also say that jokic and giannis are better than curry too.
do not waste time commenting this whole list is flawed hes a warriors fan boy
by this guy's logic jayson tatum is a better player than kevin durant and Nikola jokic...........................................
Short answer: No
Long answer: not even top 5
How is curry a 10 at leadership and Draymond is the leader of the team??? 🤔
He is not a better leader than CP3 Bron or Butler let’s be honest
Cp3 has never lead anyone anywhere. Lebron came in 11th place with a super team. Constantly crying and pouting.
@@t3jf Lebron is like 38 my guy, and what is he suppose do if AD is always hurt?
Don't you just love these types of videos!! I really appreciate all of the effort they put into the videos!!
Jimmy really was more dangerous than luka against a better defensive team
You already gave it all away in the thumbnail!
Thank God I didn't pay close attention to it before watching the video! 😬😬
no one in the league gets guarded like curry
Are you old enough to remember the Giannis Wall? They used to Quadruple team him in transition, then he starting passing, put a stop to that real quick.
Both giannis and jokic get double and triple teamed all the time all game
@@---kr3zg I am pretty sure nobody saw how KD was getting guarded against the Celtics. Like the Celtics were basically harassing KD from all angles and his teammates weren’t doing shit to help him.
@@09lowkey the Giannis walk is only in the paint Steph gets guarded everywhere on the court
They tried to play drop and he destroyed them with shooting and when they guarded him closer he blew by them and finished at the rim at an elite level
@@DgSezn Wow, you dont even know what the Giannis wall was.
It’s even more than the criteria listed. Otherwise you’d be comparing centers, forwards, and guards. It should be weighted mostly on the talent vs. a replacement player at the same position. Then you take into account scoring, defense, and leadership.Great video though. Nice and thorough.
Morant's defense is higher than Steph's because he grabbed a ball out of the air (athleticism) and blocked Irving once? We talking about as a totality. Morants defense is the lowest on this chart. He hasn't displayed the defensive IQ of others on this list and is so bad that it makes his team defensively worst when he's on the floor. You can't say the same about anyone else here except maybe Irving and that's strictly contributed to his size a majority of the time.
I wouldn’t say lowest défense because trae young exists but definitely low. I don’t know why Ja’s offence is lower then his defence. This list doesn’t really make sense
Pascal is underrated lol. You don’t know you are talking about his defense is elite and his offense is near elite. And 2 All-NBA teams and a ring as the 2nd/3rd best player over the last few years speaks for itself
How can Curry have 10 on offence when he was 14th in scoring this season with not being very inefficient as well. For example you give Booker a 7 when he outscored him with better 2pt and 3pt percentage.
Those are regular season stats so you will tell me what about the playoffs. Well he was 5th in scoring with very similar efficiency with Doncic and Butler.
You will tell me offence is not only points it is assists too. Well he was 24th in the regular season and 14th in the post season.
To conclude Doncic is over him in every category in offence both in the regular and post season and he is not the only one.
Also I love that 5.5 leadership on Giannis so you can crown Curry the best
I definitely agree with hoop reports evaluation no bias.
No way Ja and luka have better defence then curry because they are young in the league and need more time to improve on it
Top 2 defensive rating amongst guards last year behind only GP2. Two way Steph has arrived
I like your list and appreciate your inclusion of leadership and ability to elevate teamates.
Probably the most important thing for your star player to have if you want to win, honestly. Every star player is going to be outstanding on one end of the floor and should be able to learn not to be a liability on the other, but leadership from that star player is what makes or breaks your team.
But was biased cause Giannis leadership is at least 7...LBJ leadership like it or not is at least a 9 and offense is at least an 8..jalen brown offense is at a 7...
@@kingcort8073 It's his opinion, of course. I agree that LBJ and Giannis were a bit underrated, but there's lots of places where I wouldn't score things the same way. Giannis has a strong argument for being the best in the NBA by this scoring system, though you could also argue that Curry's defense was a bit underrated. I also think that Tatum's offense was overrated - I don't think he's a top 3 player in the league right now.
Here's some good comparisons - this video scores Tatum's offense higher than Luka's? Seriously? And Luka's defense scored higher than Steph's? Neither of those lines up with what I saw in the playoffs.
@@whop100000 yeah it's his opinion but he shouldn't be biased enough to say giannis leadership is that low just cause he wanted curry to be the best player .. cause in all categories...only Giannis objectively passes curry with Giannis 9/8.5/8...Curry 9/6/10
@@kingcort8073 I'd personally put Curry at 10/5/10. He's the most impactful player in the game on offense because of the way the other team has to guard him everywhere on the floor, regardless of whether he has the ball or not. If you don't do that he torches you, but if you commit enough to defending him then he'll let his teammates torch you. That also ties into his leadership some. I think I'd put Giannis at something like 9/9/7, which actually happens to tie him with the numbers I just gave Curry. Giannis is very impactful on both offense and defense, but he doesn't change the entire dynamic of the game on either end the same way that Curry does on offense. His leadership is solid, but he hasn't shown anywhere near the ability to elevate and unite a team like Curry, LBJ, or CP3 can. He is good enough on both ends of the court to elevate the Bucks to contender status almost by himself, but he hasn't proven able to find a consistent answer to opponents focusing their entire series plan on him yet.
If I had to pick one guy to build a 2023 NBA team around, Curry would be my first choice. That said, Giannis is SO close behind that I certainly don't blame you if you'd take him instead.
100% agree with u. Steph. Curry is so under-rated. Many ex-NBA players even look down on him because of his thin and short body. To me, Steph. Curry has even outperformed MJ in term of modern basketball. Basically, MJ and Curry are two most iconic superstars in the history of professional basketball. I've heard a Chinese sayings goes like "No one dunk or smile like Michael. MJ made you love to watch baskebtall; No one shoot or shimmy like Curry. He made you love to play the game." Thank you.
I don't mean to be offensive but I really think that some of this votes are ridicoulus
So Curry wins over Giannis because of leadership when Giannis literally led his team to a championship last year and a consistent team all season long
Dude what the hell 🤔😂😂😂😂 Curry been to 5 straight finals 6 in total and 4 championship, Giannis only has 1 and couldn’t even make it back to back there’s level to greatness
@@noeljohnson1069 1 finals mvp in 5 finals what a great leader
@@wavemanj14 🤦🏾♂️ youth dem
@@noeljohnson1069 also he didnt make it back because his co star got ingured and he still went 7 games
Giannis is the best player in the league by a mile over steph.. Steph is great but he's in a great system built around all his strengths
Steph IS the system. Steve Kerr said so himself
The disrespect on Curry and CP3 defense is savage, they're way better than those numbers.💯
I like these videos but one thing is to be concise and give the data that each player deserves according to what you understand, I'm a fan of gsw and curry is my favorite player, but seriously do you give bron an 8 in leadership? and luka a 7 and jokic a 6? seriously, more objectivity please that fanaticism does not influence as much as it is being perceived in this video, my first and I hope only criticism of a faithful follower of your videos.
Many will disagree, But steph curry is a 6'3 that is doubled and triple team every game and still averages 27.4 ppg in the playoffs and 25.5 ppg in the season
@No Budget why does this conversation exist ?
Your list is very VERY SUBJECTIVE . Although I respect the effort you put in , there seems to be a misunderstanding about what qualifies as leadership ... , because I'm sure as hell lebron did not make his teammates better in the 2021-22 season nor did Jimmy . Also Jaylen brown is a slightly better leader than Giannis ? I mean HONESTLY WTF ?
Thank you shit is wild
yep lol
That was a good video bro, am not even subscribed.. first video I seen.
"Out of Ohio!" He was born there but never lived there. Even Toronto makes more sense 😂 but for future reference, Charlotte is where he's from
Jokic literally top three in leadership literally carried his team to the playoffs
Giannis is definitely the best player in the league with Steph close behind
No
Nope, Steph Curry is
You gotta remember he Got 3 MVP,s this last season. 1. All star Mvp 2. Western conference Mvp 3. Finals Mvp....
Not definitely but I can see him as the best. It’s either or between him and curry.
I'll give you that one but personally I'd rather have a great player who leads his team to the championship rather than the best player in the league. The former is a lot more satisfying than the latter for fans.
So you’re saying that Giannis is worse than Jaylen Brown at leadership. That’s stupid. Giannis is a 7 which would barely put him above Curry.
I say scores are slightly biased hahahaha
You just sed luka had terrible defence and put him higher then curry and you sed curry’s defence was mid
I would give one more leadership point for giannis and so put him above curry right now otherwise everything looks perfect to me
curry deserves 5 for defense which puts him above giannis
@@ballhandler2573 I can agree with that curry is clearly an underrated defender !! For me the top 2 is giannis and curry clear, you can debate which one is first and which one is second
Saying Steph Curry’s defense is worse than Devon booker is an immature joke.
Gianni’s’ as defense is no where near a 10. It’s like an 8.5, 9 if we’re being extremely nice.
Giannis is first but curry second
I don’t think so but it’s really close in my opinion
Giannis dont got enought experience to be first myguy
@@ofrost-5759 dafuq? Giannis has more accolades than Curry actually.
@@09lowkey look at his FG % as a incredibly athletic big man, his FG % is wayyyyy tooo low
@@lukasralys6096 Flawed logic.
The death note background music made this 10x better
Curry fan since day 1 the chef is cooking 🔥💪🏻🏆🙏🏻
I think steph curry’s the best in the world rn
This list is hogwash. Morant better at defense than Luka? Luka was around 1.5 defence rating while Morant was at the negatives, but it doesn't matter this video is to bolster Curry which is also complete nonsense. Have we forgotten that Luka had zero I repeat zero all-star in his roster, took the Mavs to west conference finals and yet he got a score of 7 in leadership? In what way did Curry elevate his teammates? Last I looked he got carried at the regular season by the young guys. Sure playoffs is where it matters but to me best player should be best at most if not all categories and Curry didn't show that last season. This is a Stephen Curry jerk off video. Unbelievable.
honestly I think curry's defense should at least be at luca doncic if not higher. Luca literally gave up on defense constantly in the playoffs.
The best player is the one who FORCES defenders out of position so that they cannot defend effectively. Curry is that guy because he has so many ways to force defenders to be out of position on himself but also on his teammates which allows them to make easy buckets. Sometimes this discombobulates the other players or the whole team causing them to lose focus. As an added factor Curry's constant movements can fatigue his opponents which is a good way to lower their shooting percentage.
The disrespect to Embiid is insane, he is an amazing defender, and his ability to make his teammates better is insane. When he came back in the playoffs, though only averaged 16 since hurt, the Sixers won their first 2 games after losing 2.
Would give Steph an above average defense rating. Earlier in his career he was a liability, but nowadays, he's actually a pretty good defender in general. I'd give a 6, mostly just because he's undersized.
Steph Curry Defense > Luka Doncic Defense
The content is 100 percent correct..i mean, Curry is the GOAT!!! He has all the abilities to become a champion. He leads his team. He always find ways to elevate his team mates unlike the other guys like Morant who always hold the ball for the longest time. Curry wants his team mates to shine like him. He is the salt and light to his team. Go Steph..
It's a discussion. Honestly, Steph could be a defensive liability if it weren't for the others being locked in most of the time. Every team tries to take advantage of mismatches on Steph but nobody's been able to execute consistently. I can't agree simply because I'm not sure if Steph would be as deadly offensively on another team and in another system. He might be, but we will probably never know.
Okay, I was convinced by the end of this video. The thing I liked most about Kobe, who is my GOAT, was his work ethic. I don't think there is anyone in the league who works harder than Steph. That seals the deal for me.
Well as u can see he was given a 4 on defense. The video is valid
Putting kawhi Leonard’s leadership so low is a very poor assessment. When he won two championships and two FMVPS. Judging him for one failed(questionable) Orlando bubble championship but forgetting curry’s leadership during their 3-1 choke in the NBA FINALS is flawed. Apart from kawhis injuries dude performed at the highest level against curry and lebron and giannis. Kawhi is easily top 3 if not the best in the NBA.
Thats 100% accurate. And steph being light skinned with no racist bone in his body , likable by everybody, you have to give it up to this guy. He is something special hands down, the goat...
Nischelle Turner with the Forest Whitaker eye… 😂😂😂
For me
Giannis :- 8 - 10 - 7 = 25
Curry :- 10 - 6 - 10 = 26
you dont watch basketball just say it
@@Josh-gf5gq yeah only u watch
Giannis leadership is underrated I guess
Short Answer: Akumpo
Long Answer: *Giannis Sina Ugo Antetokounmpo*
Personally I disagree. Giannis is unstoppable on offense, and he is developing a three point shot. And I’d argue that he is a phenomenal team leader, so in my opinion he’s the best player in the league.
Also some of these tales are FOUL
Not giving butler a 10 in leadership is wild
I always agree with ur reviews
99 percent ✔️✔️✔️✔️✔️🚧✔️
Steph's defense has improved to about 7 this past year. Add to the physical coverage how he tires the opposition out and dispirits their play all of which has an effect on their shooting percentage. How do we meaure it? Well, it has to be counted as part of the reason that the Celtics scored less than 100 points in all four of their losses in the Finals.
his leadership is truly the thing (besides shooting) that shines him the best
You missed a very important criteria imo: whether players actually play a lot (due to injury, being stuborn or load management). You cannot be the best if you only oplay half of the games no?
2:30 very well said 👌🏾
I am a Warriors fan but I personally have Giannis who is a better defender and younger although he more limited offensive game especially in high pressure clutch situations.
It is close though. Curry is an underrated defender and has an unstoppable offensive game and can contribute so much now even when he's having a bad shooting night. His game 4 this year in the finals is absolutely legendary.
It's not fair to say that Giannis is a better defender. U gotta understand warriors play TEAM defense not individually. And also Steph Curry is only 6'2 compare to giannis
Solid break down
Does that mean jb is the tenth best player in the league
Bron's a 7.5 on offense ? you on something for sure.
Hot take. Steph's leadership is not a 10. He's a fine leader, but Draymond should be credited for leading and lifting up the other players on the team, more than Steph. If Steph was such a great leader, what in the world would they need Draymond for? He would be overpaid for someone who is just a good defender and offers no offense.
Warriors culture is mostly Steph... If that's not leadership on and off the court, I don't know what is. Draymond is definitely the louder first mate who keeps the rest in line. But who do they look to for inspiration and rally behind as a team? STEPH... that's leadership.
@@kelzreallife8293 without the Warriors, Steph Curry wouldn’t do shit
@@aneeshanand9621 oh yh... I bet the warriors are so much better without him... Oh wait
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His playstyle would actually make him a killer in ball hogging teams cos he'd be just, as good or better as other elite scoring guards like Kyrie and harden. He is always gonna be a catch and shoot threat. Maybe a little less off-ball movement. In what universe does that look like a flop signing.
You're just a hater fr
@@kelzreallife8293 no. I am a fax spitter. Put Steph Curry on the Trailblazers and see how he does.
Giannis offense at 8? id at least give it a 9 or 9.5 considering he averaged 29.9 ppg and 5.8 apg, better offensive stats than curry's 25.5 ppg and 6.3 apg. while giannis does lack a consistent 3pt shot, it is somewhat made up for by the fact that when he drives into the paint, he can often find an open man after 3 defenders collapse onto him to stop him from scoring in the paint.
Giannis leadership at 5.5? i mean, you gave 0 reasoning for any of your leadership scores so i don't even know what this is based off of. but id give him between 7-9 at least, so 8.
imo giannis wins here but thats just me
Yeah, Curry is actually an above-average defender, contrary to popular belief. Much like Green, he also directs people during the game when playing defense. So, I'm not even sure how you would give the guy a 4 on defense. I hope he watches this. Zion at 16.5 is probably too generous considering his lack of discipline, nonexistent leadership, and that we don't even know if he can still play at the same level.