In all of the interviews we see of Ed Kemper online where he comes across as intelligent and composed, he's being interviewed by men. Yet according to one woman who interviewed Ed, when she first began asking him questions he at first seemed calm and composed, no signs that she could detect of anger and aggression, and there seemed to be nothing off about him, just like in other interviews. But then she asked him a question about women and all of a sudden he burst out in anger and started yelling at her. So I think you're right Dr. Grande, I think he still has suppressed rage in him towards women and more specifically his mother and thus, he's still a danger to society.
FBI Agent Ressler once interviewed Kemper on his own in a cell and when he felt like there was nothing else to discuss with Ed he pushed the buzzer to call the guards to end the interview and bring him back to his cell, which didn't seem to happen even after a third push on the buzzer after probably 20 to 30 minutes, Kemper took this opportunity to tell Ressler that he could use this 20 minutes alone to ''kill him and screw his head off on the spot'', Kemper would scoff at all the possible consequences that could come from killing a fed agent convincing Ressler he's dealing with a man who has nothing left to lose. When the guards came Kemper would touch his shoulder and tell him he was joking, causing Ressler to vow to never let himself, of any other FBI agent to interview such a dangerous individual alone. He was able to have another serial killer under his control like a pet, Fred Mullin, the guy who wanted to prevent earth quakes by killing people, became his cell neighbour, whenever he'd bother the other prisoners, Ed would throw a bucket of watter at him, if he behaved, Ed would give him peanuts, Fred was essentially a pet to him. Kemper has a strong tendency to gain control, and sometimes assert dominance even over the FBI whenever those stars align for him, even though he killed just one man, that is enough to prove he's not shy from making his hands dirty like that, he definitely is extremely dangerous.
Thanks for pointing this out... Sometimes people who suffer from mental health issues can still maintain a normal, or in this case positive, image to outsiders. Or maybe manipulation ran in the family?
Kemper's issues have nothing to do with men so he is in an environment he can be perfectly fine. His rage and mental issues stem from women feeling inadequate and fearing rejection. Which turned to blind rage towards women. Bringing women around him in that prison would be what takes to bring out his dark side.
@Van Helsing It would be both. You would need genuine insight in order to use it to manipulate, Kemper's manipulation game was strong too, so wouldn't surprise me that he used his actual mental health issues against others.
Freud himself was a pretty sick puppy, himself. He abused his female patients _constantly_ in all sorts of disturbing ways. **cough** _suggestionforafuturevideo_ **cough**
This is the best damn demented-sounding sentence fragment since "He encouraged them to eat the cheese to make the feces taste better" (drawn from the Wikipedia article about child sex abuser Ed Savitz)!
Can you imagine being a teenager and every night your mother locks you in what is essentially a prison cell, saying that you're going to sexually abuse your sisters, and your sisters threaten to kill you, you don't have anyone on your side and your father abandoned and rejected you? Not everyone would turn into a misogynistic murderer, but nobody would have come out of that normal. Nobody.
That has always been Kemper's story and narrative. Nobody in his family has corroborated it. What we know is that what's left of his family, never wants to see him out of prison. They've hinted at the true Kemper and one of them said he would murder him if he was released. After he learnt about the the threat, he stopped attending his parole hearings and settled into his computer job. Nobody in his family writes to him, never mind visit. If they felt his upbringing was responsible, they'd be more sympathetic.
Thats true …very true ..its very destructive to dismiss such a pained soul..its destructive for us people do dismiss how people are extremely exposed to pain and violence.. I myself have been abused at a young age ..my childhood was traumatic..as a result i am not normal …but the issue here is people around actually believes that i might end up like those monsters (ed kemper..etc) I mean no one directly told me so but u can just smell it u know …the insinuations and theatrical plays …i used to believe i was doing good and fine for someone who had my experiences..I thought people understood my pains ..alas everyone now has presupposed ideas and convictions ..ignoring the fact i have autism and adhd …which to be fair alot of their traits i do share ..but so does every human on earth .. Now all i want from life is to literally isolated and have a family of my own away from everyone i ever knew …even that aspirations is translated as me trying to perform my fantasies..which again every human being has a fantasy … I am hurt more than i can describe of how people i loved now look at me ..I am 29 years old who can’t hold a job ..no ones wants to really help not support even by a kind word ..my life now is literally insinuations and plots to prove for themselves that i may hurt someone.. I cried for a week when i killed rat in our home ..how just how are people perceiving me as someone who could end up like those monsters .. What this world needs is true love and mercy ..we need to express how we as humans have the capability of helping the humans ones in need of it .. Humanity is straying away from its beautiful potential.. I blame tv and such ..people are more in touch with their perceptions and ideologies rather than other people .. All those monsters ever needed was an ear and a pure heart to understand them ..thats not to say they don’t deserve what they got because they do … no one has the right to do such heinous crimes no matter what they went through..
"Can you imagine being a teenager and every night your mother locks you in what is essentially a prison cell" Can you imagine having an aggressive lunatic as a son who's notorious for manupulation and acting on it? The mother didn't know what to do with him so essentially locked him up.
@@malchir4036 ya fr like ok it’s sad and his mom was undoubtedly a bitch but come on let’s chill with the empathy for ed 😂 he could have tried to actually work on himself at the mental hospital, instead he just manipulated everyone and got a PhD in killing lol
Fun fact; you've met and probably even had long interactions with psychopaths in your lifetime. The figures, last I checked, is 1 in 10. So every 10th person you meet could be an Ed Kemper. :) Sleep well
People with antisocial personality disorder are much more likely to be the victims of violent crimes than the perpetrators. You sound like Shane Dawson.
I recall a documentary about Kemper in which it was claimed he desires to remain in prison in order that he not engage in further crimes. Thanks for another excellent analysis, Dr. Grande - I'm barely keeping up with your video uploads!
The documentary I saw (maybe the same one) said Kemper removed the vocal cords from his mother's head and washed them into the garbage disposal in the sink.
I find Ed Kemper really fascinating in terms of.... mental health. I'm not glorifying him but i find it really interesting tha he was extremely cooperative in prision...and i think he still is having recorded a lot of audiobooks for blind people. It's like he's two different human beings. I don't know. This video was great and i love the way you analize everything.
Kemper has said in an interview that he basically was 2 different people. One person, just a normal guy, living a normal life. The other, a serial killer. "I lived most of my life as a normal, regular person. But also a parallel, increasingly violent life" Not an exact quote but that's the just of it lol when the interviewer asked how he could appear to be a normal, regular guy, while being a killer.
I keep returning to his case, looking up different facts about him and listening t podcasts. I like how he is portrayed in Netflix's Mindhunter but I was intrigued by his personality before that.
I find it really comforting that you acknowledge that character traits are stable over a lifetime. That has been my experience, but it's easy to get shouted down by a chorus of "people can change" and "forgiveness is important". Safety is definitely more important than forgiveness.
This analysis of Ed Kemper is absolutely fascinating. I think someone should look into his horrible sister, mother, and granny, too, though. My husband and I really were fascinated with this video. Thank you!
I agree - it would be interesting to know what happened to his sisters (have they lead regular lives) - especially the one who tried to kill him twice, and what was his mother's childhood like to make her that way.
I so agree! There's so much to learn by interviewing the parents! Ted Bundys mother is of extreme interest based on the little video footage we've seen of her.
i agree with some of the interest in a homicidal maniac however Ed Kemper deserves a date with old sparky. Mom must have been mental to have him around after he was cured and released to her uncaring ways!
@@opeelmr4800 yea everybody forgets that his mother isn't alive to tell her side of the story ....they take what he says as gospel....I don't believe a word out of his mouth...period!
The Mind-hunter series does a fantastic job portraying Ed Kemper. It’s a very well done show-a bit depressive, but based on true facts regarding FBI coming up with criminal profiling in the 70s. Highly recommended...
@@suvashninaidoo2883 he made furniture out of people right? Do we hold that as morally worse than if he laid these bodies out to rot? Flies - bacteria - or a lamp - what do you guys think? Would you rather have a lamp or a dead body? Really - let me know your view, the subject matter intrigues me
There are some things Kemper said about himself that I believe. One was that he was motivated by hatred for his mother. He chose coeds as victims -- trying specifically to target coeds at the university where his mother worked -- because his mother clearly cared about the girls that attended the school. He said that he killed them to hurt his mother by killing people that she would actually care about, though I'm guessing that jealousy that the co-eds got the love and respect from his mother is probably a bigger factor. He said that he killed his mother because he thought that killing her would satisfy the rage and after that he would no longer feel the urge to commit murder. He said that after he killed his mother's friend he realized that the rage was still there and he still wanted to kill. He said that's the reason why he turned himself in -- because he know that only if he was in prison would he stop killing. I tend to believe that because though he would have been caught eventually, he would have had plenty of time to be free and to keep killing. The bodies of his mother and her friend might not have been discovered for days. That would give him plenty of time to relocate. Yeah, at 6'9" he would never be able to be inconspicuous, but freedom is freedom. Those are my thoughts.
His mother also repeatedly told him that he was unworthy of these pretty, successful college girls she was around all the time. They would never want a monster as grotesque as him etc. She anyway not sure about the sisters or grandma was obsessed with his extreme height. Saying he was not normal, and a threat to his sisters at that size. He was locked downstairs most of the time, barely making headroom in the basement. He was rarely allowed upstairs, but on some occasions such as eating maybe, the toilet, shower etc. Then was made to return to be hidden away like an animal that is disfigured ( which is a horrible thing also by most human standards) i have a son myself he isn't 6'9 by any means, if he was that would not be a reason to fear him, to me. Could be a big teddy bear. And a 5'1 man may be a monster. Not Kemper he is of course a monster. I mean in general. What does height matter if they are gentle, but it did to her. Maybe not fit her social class ideals who knows. When she seen him as grotesque for being so tall, the sisters followed moms beliefs, I assume. Sadly, no one wanted this man really, and he was abused by all his family. Neither parent wanted him. Dad sent him away, or back to mom, and m o m and sisters not wanted him around. No mention of maternal grandparents I have ever known. Perhaps died before he was born or when young. Or just not talked to their daughter. Hard to say. I always felt his general anger was against his mother. He even put her voice box down the garbage disposal. It flew back out. He commented he just couldn't even shut her up in death. He also raped her friend. ATM I don't recall if before or after death tho. Many details are missing, that are in true crime books about him from legit writers. Though I felt that she created his anger, he is forever a danger and must die in a cage, for safety of all. California at their silly concurrent sentences. First they let him out at 21 for a double homicide of both grandparents, ( Reagan as gov demanded cut funds all released early as possible from mental facilities) given to his mom, whom the drs expressed he should have no contact. Then expunged the record ! So he, if not for the height, could have been a serial killing cop. Then give him 10 life sentences concurrently min 7 years. Thats insanity at best. If let out he could have killed 12 people in his life, and served 7 years. I think on that they grew a brain, and went consecutively. Some crimes perhaps concurrent is ok. Murder isn't one of them, nor any violent acts. He isn't the only cali inmate to have gotten that ridiculous standard. The hillside strangers also did, with all they did. The man that kidnapped Steven stayer because the younger boys trial was first. He got 7 years for it or similar. When stayners trial came the judge, due to their laws could only add 22 months. For 7 years of captivity and rape. That's a slap in the face to victims and their families. Kemper isn't normal or mentally healthy by any standards. Some nature, some nuture. His childhood surely didn't help matters.
I don't think the fact that his mother was well-liked at work is particularly relavent to the quality of her mental health; my stepmother was a grandiose narcissistic abuser and was still well-liked at several (though not all) her jobs; on the other hand, her primary career was in dealership vehicle sales (a profession notorious for rewarding grandiose narcissistic behavior), so make of this what you will. Thanks for uploading!
I think too, that there is the distinct possibility of "don't speak ill of the dead." I also think narcissists can and do pick their targets. It is also possible his mom could be a great gal at work because every drop of her anger and frustration she was able to save up and discharge like a firehose onto her son? You see a bit of this in the way the sister was able to discharge her anger and frustration on to her brother. In that household is sounds like that was the accepted way to get through the day.
My verbally/physically abusive (probably Borderline) mother was one of the most liked and well-respected women in our small Southern Baptist church. When I was a child I'd watch her interact with parishioners as though she were the most empathetic, kind, generous, loving human in the world. I'd be thinking to myself, "I you only knew what she's like when we get home."
Yeah, my own mom had a very different persona depending on the situation. Wonderful to visit, a nightmare to live with. After my dad died I moved in with my mom to look after her, and after about a year I'd had enough. I decided to move to another country and put a large chunk of planet earth between me and mom. I might have opted for another planet entirely at that point if I could have managed it. My brother and his wife were to move in. I begged and pleaded with them to let me split costs with them to put a nice mobile home on the multi-acre lot so that they could be close enough to keep an eye on her but wouldn't have to live with her. My brother was mom's pet; I wasn't worried about him. But I knew mom would make "Martina's" life a living hell. Martina scoffed. "Your mom and I have always gotten along!" "Trust me, Marti. It will be different when you move in." Nope. Martina had known mom for about 15 years and was convinced that she was just a lovely woman. About 6 or 7 months later I came home for visit and was hanging out with my brother in the garage. My sister-in-law came in and said to me, "Your mom's mean!" Poor Marti. I'd tried to warn her. I was like, "Would I have offered to spend ten or twenty thousand dollars to provide you with a place where you wouldn't have to live with Mom if there wasn't a good reason?" I think Marti spent the rest of Mom's life kicking herself for not listening to me.
@@thesisypheanjournal1271 My mother was never wonderful to visit. Someone I know was moaning about all the "forgotten elderly" in nursing homes and I thought to myself (yeah, and some of them were heck on wheels to their own families).Old does not necessarily equal loving.
@@ellecee453 OMG my grandmother! One time my dad went to visit her at her home and found her collapsed on the floor. He called 911 and when she got out of the hospital her doctor said that she must not live alone any more because next time there might not be anybody coming by to find her. My dad moved her in with him and mom. After about 18 months my dad's cardiologist told him that if he didn't move his mother out, they were going to bury him because the stress was killing him. So he moved her into a lovely situation a couple of miles away. It was a middle-aged couple who were licensed to care for the elderly. They treated those old ladies like they were their own beloved mothers. They had an above-ground pool, and in the summer Mr. Long would carry the old ladies one by one onto the deck of the pool and help settle them in deck chairs with cold drinks, then he and his wife would take them into the pool one at a time and help them safely have a nice swim. My dad visited at least daily, my mom went by several times a week with my grandmother's favorite foods, etc. After about 6 months the other old ladies' doctors told Mr. and Mrs. Long that they needed to move "Maggie" out because the stress of living with her was killing them. So they put her in a large care facility. The people there took wonderful care of her. Example: One day I was visiting and Grandma said she wanted a snack. I went to the dining room and told the two ladies working there that "Mrs. Bower" wanted a snack. They told me to bring her down. I pushed Grandma down there in her wheelchair and by the time we'd arrived they'd made her a bologna sandwich just the way she liked it -- white bread, lettuce but no tomato, with mayonnaise. They had a cup of coffee for her, just the way she liked it. They greeted her, sat down with her to chat while she ate her sandwich and drank her coffee, and offered me a sandwich and drink. When she was done with her sandwich they offered her ice cream, which she took. A very pleasant visit and it was clear that the ladies really did know her and take an interest in her well being. I pushed her back to her room, where she sighed and complained, "They're so mean to me here!" Not ironic. She was just that oblivious. One day she complained to me that she was so bored, and I asked her why she didn't play the piano in the day room. (She had been quite an accomplished pianist.) She snapped, "I'm not going to play the piano for those people!" "But you don't have to play for them. Just play for your own enjoyment." "Yeah, but they'd listen!" I loved my grandmother, don't get me wrong, but we were all relieved when she died.
Edmund's story always makes me sad. His mother robbed him of his potential. The worst thing that happened to him was being put back with the mother after doing so well in the hospital. He needed love and structure.
@@dmcken4671 It does make sense in legal terms in a way. His doctors still recommended that he should not live with his mother, It was on his discharge papers!
Mas allá de la madre, y la responsabilidad q le cabe, es un asesino, él, no los demás. Mucha gente pasa por experiencias similares y no terminan, matando, cortando las cabezas, y abusando de cadáveres, comprende?. Si presta atención en sus entrevistas, nunca se hace responsable del daño, la culpa es de la madre, pero fueron sus manos las q ejecutaron a la gente, todas mujeres, el odio hacia el género no va a desaparecer.
@@leximartineau-saarniit7016 no entiendo de qué hablan? El asesinó a su abuela y a su abuelo, era un asesino. Si volvía con su madre o no, ya no iba a cambiar el hecho de que seguiría matando. Parece que no logran entender, está en su naturaleza.
I think Ed Kemper still has unresolved anger towards his mother and would likely continue killing young or even older women. Why do you think he turned himself in? Because he knew that he was a danger to society especially to women based on his maternal resentment and rage towards his mother for abusing him verbally. The mother definitely has some levels of narcissistic and antisocial traits which he might have inherited which explains why he didnt display his anger in the form of violence towards her when she was alive. Anyways the video was very informative and this situation shows how information the mother and child relationship is to future relationships. Thanks, Dr Grande for sharing this video with us.
@@lynkent677 as Kay says, Doctor Grande explains Ed's general story but if you want to know more here's a link to one of Ed's interviews to start you off: ruclips.net/video/pFfc151Zkg4/видео.html
In listening to Kempers interviews, even years after he killed his mother, she's still living in his head, denigrating and degrading him. She'll always be there. Sad.
it’s crazy how that can effect some people so deeply. like i get trauma and stuff but it seems like some people have such trouble leaving their childhood behind and making their life about moving forward and positivity , not about their childhood
After watching Mind Hunter, this analysis was perfect! You did a great job covering Ed Kempers life and everything that transpired. Amazing video as usual Doctor G!
He might have got caught when the first two girls were in his car. Because the one girl he took out to kill and accidentally left his keys in the car with the other girl and the car locked. He was cunning enough to talk her into letting him back in by saying that he wouldn't hurt her if she let him do that. He was convincing enough that she unlocked the door instead of starting the car and taking off. I've heard him speak and he did say that once his mother was dead his zest for killing women waned and he really just didn't have a desire for it anymore. Thanks doctor! interesting stuff.
He is interesting, I think because he is coherent and in some cases seems honest in telling his story. His account of that first murder of hitchikers differs from this. In his account he returned, stabbed the second girl and put her dying body in the trunk, then thought that he locked the car keys in the trunk with the body. He panicked and started to run, stumbled and fell, then told himself to slow down and think. After a moment he calmly checked all of his pockets and found the keys in his back pocket.
helmeteye Height doesn’t make one run slowly, look at basketball players. His issue would have been obesity, not height. But we’re not talking about running, we’re talking about the car are we not?
There are a lot of reasons why inmates waive their rights to parole hearings. In Kemper's case, I find myself doubting that altruism was high on the list.
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, and his sister even tried to kill Kemper twice. I can say with 100% certainty that they all have the same disorders in one way or the other.
I agree that Kemper is intelligent and very articulate in interviews. I’ve watched a few of them. Too bad his intelligence was “interrupted" by his mother and sister. Thanks for your insight into this man, Dr Grande.
oof, terrible choice of words.... makes it sound like he was not responsible for his behaviour.. i mean yeah, his mother surely did a number on him but others suffer the same abuse and don't devolve into psychotic serial killers
@@stefanforrer2573 For me it’s a combinatorial outcome. You have certain genetic traits that are predictive of Anti-social personality disorder (ASPD). That’s potential energy, like TNT. Then you have environmental factors (in this case, abuse and neglect from mother and family). That’s the length of fuse and the match. People with low genetic predisposition for ASPD could endure horrible abuse which is lighting a very short fuse, but it just goes “pop” like a firecracker. People like Kemper could endure mild abuse which lights the fuse but it’s really really long, so spark never reaches TNT. Nobody dies, no pets decapitated, etc. But you light a short fuse (terrible environmental factors) of someone like Kemper (malevolent genetic factors) and you get a 100kTon bomb exploding.
One thing that struck me in the interviews of his I’ve watched is the fact that he’s so self aware. He knew that he was displacing his rage toward his mother by killing young women. He knows that he is still a danger to society, that he would probably kill again if he was released. He also seems pretty egotistical. He’s very intelligent, and he knows that. He knew that he’d get recognition by doing interviews. It is unlikely that he did all those interviews because he truly wanted to help. I couldn’t see any moral qualms he may have had with the murders, but he knows objectively that it’s wrong. One of the most fascinating cases in my opinion.
I agree! I can’t stand the people who comment saying ignorant things like how he’s sick monster and it’s his fault! I’m not disagreeing with the fact that he’s a sick monster , but he was created ! A mother’s love should be unconditional, he never had a chance .
Ed Kemper has always been an interresting case for me. My father worked for the Santa Cruz County Coroner/DA's office at that time & met Ed Kemper who was asked to disclose where he buried his victims. Also, at that time, my husband was a Santa Cruz police officer. He & his friend, whom Kemper confessed to, knew him from drinking together at the Jury Room, a bar across the street from the county courthouse that they used to frequent. My father is 90 years old now & still speaks of the cases & experiences he had during his time as a young deputy coroner. He worked on the Trail Side Killer (David Carpenter) case also. I am occasionally surprised by my father, (who has pretty advanced dementia), when he tells me in clear detail, specifics about cases he worked on & experiences he had as a young deputy. Thank you for your video on Edmund Kemper. 💗
I'm from the same city where Kemper committed all of his adult crimes, ( I was a child while it was going on here, so I don't remember anything from that time period ). It was creepy and alarming to learn about it all as I became old enough and was frequenting everywhere he carried out these acts. Later, as a teen, I had a co-worker who was one of the girls he picked up hitchhiking, but she was one of the lucky ones who he let go. According to her story, she testified as a witness at his trial, and he said he wanted to kill her, but someone had seen him pick her up, so he felt he couldn't take a chance on making her his victim due to that witness. I think his case really sheds light on how some juvenile violent criminals should be tried as adults. So much for the mental facility doing him any good. He should have been permanently locked up after his first crimes.
Hi Dr Grande, Kemper, for those of us around when he was young and active, just the name gives that feeling of a pit in your stomach! I agree with your assessment of him, and I’ll add what I’ve always thought of him. It’s interesting that he was a huge man. Just TOWERED over most people. The thought that ridicule got to him that much is hard to grasp. But he wasn’t always a huge man. He was a child, who apparently suffered the taunting and ridicule from every girl, then woman in his life. It makes sense he snapped with his Grandmother, as he was older, had access to weapons and didn’t have the bond with her as he did with his mother. SHE wasn’t his Mom. And so specific to women, as he felt killing his Grandfather was an act of mercy. He was clearly void of any emotional regret, maybe from years of blocking those emotions with his Mother and sister. As he entered puberty, he clear mixed his sexuality with his already unhealthy regard towards women. He wanted acceptance, but wasn’t going to get it, yet oddly kept trying, only to get rejected. I’ll bet he was taunted relentlessly in any school setting by both boys and girls, especially as he got bigger and bigger. He probably was utterly awkward. And there was NO blending in or hiding, not at that height. Imagine the bullying and what THAT did to him. I think if there was a shred of saving him, it was gone 18. He simply didn’t feel anything but rage, which is empowering. The fact his Mother took him in after he’d already murdered his Grandparents is absolutely stunning! She must’ve felt some sort of live and duty to have done so! Her biggest mistake was treating him with disdain on any level. I can’t imagine what this woman was thinking! He does say that he took his rage out on co-eds, and should’ve killed his Mother instead. (Like that’s a choice?!) I don’t, and never thought that was entirely true. Just my opinion, but I’ll bet he flirted, or hit on the first girls he picked up hitchhiking, and that was the final push he needed. All he needed was further rejection. He knew he’d never get anything but rejected by the opposite sex. Had he met a girl at some point in his teen years maybe he might not have gone that route.i really believe this as he had such a need to humiliate the dead. His way of saying “who’s the idiot now?” His final break was working up the rage, or courage to kill his Mother. I’ve said before, those years really seemed to be Serial Killer hey days. Very different times, and much more anonymous. One would see prostitution regularly in the city. You don’t see that today. People were out, and victims were accessible. Most interesting to me was the police interviewing Kemper for his help in capturing other Serial murders. Same as the police interviewed Bundy in effort to catch the Green River Killer.
@@erust9465 Interesting take. It's very sad he was so emotionally & socially crippled because he wasn't unattractive & lots of girls love tall men. If you read about his mother, Clarnell, she had difficulties in her marriages & seems to have had serious emotional issues herself. His other sister had a lot to say about that.
I think you're right to be skeptical of the hypothesis that the mother was borderline. The mother being popular at work seems more consistent with the "patrons and pawns" mentality of dark triad types - assuming we can trust Kempers statements about her. Regarding release, the families of the victims may be unhappy with the idea. Also, having been in prison since the mid '70s he may not be able to function in the world. Another interesting video, thankyou.
This guy would gain nothing out of making stuff up about his mother! Your ignorance is what creates these monsters. You don’t know everything Bruce ! Be humble .
I’m sure she’d make excuses for some of the things she did and blame Ed! His mother lacked accountability it’s the exact reason the marriage with his father didn’t work.
Zero_BS_Tolerance Really? Well considering that Ted Bundy was smart enough to escape prison...Twice. Something that Kemper never managed to do, I’m going to have to disagree with you.
I found this interesting as I do many of your analyses. I too believe that ED should remain in prison and he likely would not cope well "on the outside " at his age and after such a long period of incarceration. I wonder what he would have done with his life without the mother from He'll? I worked a job as an RN in a maximum security prison in 2001 or 2002. In this prison there was an Aged Care Unit which at that time held a man named John Wayne Glover who was known as "The Granny Killer" having violently murdered 6 elderly ladies in the Mosman area of NSW in the 1990's. He had been a pie salesman and Gates his mother in law. I wasn't present for the altercation with Glover and an elderly nurse who clearly reminded him of someone he hated or if the thrill of the kill because he somehow got a little TOO close to this "grandma" and the assistance of the Officers who were always present when we gave out medication in areaswhere the inmates were not in their cells. After this incident that nurse no longer went into that unit. I believe that,until proven otherwise, we need to assume that the inmate is STILL a danger to both staff members and society in general. Thank you for reading this.
I am not clear as to why his first psychologist couldn't foresee any problems down the road with everything that was going on with him in his life. Why did he or she dismiss this fact?
I had truly awful parents. Body count = 0. My father beat and tormented me for years. Number of decapitated heads in my freezer. 0. Gotta channel the inherent violence for good. Protect the innocent. Yeah, having awful parents can ruin one's life, but one shouldn't use that as an excuse to ruin other's lives.
It’s so weird to have BPD and see these traits within you, and yet not be the same as her. I can lash out, but until I was diagnosed I thought I was in the right. That’s what’s scary. Many I meet like me aren’t “bad,” just mentally ill and victims of childhood abuse/trauma. We are always as adults though responsible for our actions. I’m so grateful that info is getting out more about BPD and people are understanding it so we can stop the cycle of abuse in its tracks. Thank you Doctor Grande for your analysis and always being objective!
I know this is an old comment but I completely disagree. Edmund Kemper went through terrible trauma so he took that trauma out on those around him and that's what makes him a bad person. It's what makes him a monster. And that's what makes borderlines monsters too. They CHOOSE to take the trauma out on other people. I know it's difficult to believe you're the bad guy and a bad person but every person who harms innocent people regardless of how justified you believe you are is a bad person. Period. End of story . All I hear are excuses excuses excuses it's not my fault I hurt everyone around me with my behavior because I was traumatized and I have a mental illness. So what you believe your trauma and mental illness gives you the right to traumatize and harm everyone else? No it doesn't. And it doesn't excuse your behavior either. All it means is you have to work harder to not hurt people around you. It doesn't give you a free pass to hurt people around you and not be held accountable. You don't get to claim yeah I blow up and hurt everyone around me with my behavior but I'm still a good person. Because that isn't true. If you truly can't control yourself you need to be locked away in a mental institution where you can't hurt other people ever again. Oh you're not willing to institutionalize yourself to protect other people from you then you're a worse person than Edmund Kemper is.
Thank you for covering Edmund Kemper. His case has always fascinated me. I didn't have a mom like his, but I had a dad who was pretty close to that same kind of twisted. I also 'identify' with him because he seems to always try to appear very smart and knowledgeable in his interviews. It seems he uses a lot of language and terminology that people like Robert Ressler used. Although he is obviously very intelligent, I think he intentionally speaks in a way similar to the experts who study people like him to appear just that much more intelligent. I behaved that way quite often before I got sober (4-9-90). It was mostly as a way of trying to hide my perceived insecurities and inadequacies - which were largely created by my dad. I don't wish to aggrandise Kemper in any way - and I certainly don't want to seem to be self-aggrandising either. I am just trying to explain why Edmund Kemper has always been fascinating to me. (and no, I'm not a serial killer - haha). Again, thank you very much for this, and all of your videos. They are extremely well presented and easily understood.
“I’m not a serial killer.” A-ha! That’s exactly what a serial killer would say! Checkmate, you deviant! Joking, of course. Congrats on staying clean since ‘90!
This video does not add anything new to long-existing, highly perceptive, articulate assessments and discussions, over many decades, about Kemper. And especially by those who've done extensive homework based on valid, legitimate, reliable primary resources. Nor is there any insight here. But, within the scope of this video, insight content isn't necessary. The clinical overview of Kemper is its objective, and it is presented well. It also distinguishes itself for its responsible tone. Its complete lack of sensationalism is responsible, refreshing, and welcome. For those who are new to Kemper's case, I hope this video will be the first one that they come across, or at least subsequent to the recorded interviews they may see of Kemper. This video is a vital source of clinically-based information to the public, and by a credible professional. Something very much needed in the RUclips sphere, in this subject area. It is therefore a genuine public service. Kudos.
Really interesting video, thank you Doctor. In this case I struggle with what would the actual personality of the mother be because we only have his infos. It's important because it would allow to understand what their relationship really was...
This is just an anecdotal observation, but I've noticed that girls who are abused will internalize their ''worthlessness,'' whereas males will usually act out. While the mother deserves blame for using him as the ''whipping boy'' for all of her inadequacies, Kemper's father deserves equal disdain for abandoning him into the custody of this man-hating, sadistic witch. I usually come down on the side of nature, but in Kemper's case, I think nurture (or the lack thereof) was the tipping point.When it comes to child abuse, it is not uncommon for one child to be singled out while the other children in the family get a pass.
I watched the "Kemper on Kemper" documentary the other night. The cops liked him, thought he was personable and a nice guy. I even thought to myself "he seems so nice and normal" (especially the scenes where he is recording the audio book). He is very intelligent, and clever....my gut tells me he cannot be trusted regardless of his outward friendliness and openness. The wheels are spinning inside that cauldron head of his. Something you never want to hear your kid say: "Let's play electric chair"
I watched a bunch of interviews on him. During one of the interviews, the interviewer asked him how he felt while he was committing the murders and Kemper went on to describe the actions he took during the murder and not how he felt. Maybe turning himself in fulfilled his need to be accepted,. Perhaps if he were caught he would be the bad kid/man his mom said he was. In the interviews he seems to be intelligent, and articulate explaining how his subconscious reactions to his youth manifested ultimately in murders.
@Bobby Murphy, if Criminal Minds had Dr. Grande as a creative consultant in the creation of serial killer characters on the series, then maybe the show wouldn't have ended so badly.
I watched him in a interview (kemper). The IQ numbers you shared make sense. He is extremely articulate and I thought intelligent. Thanks for sharing that information. Amazing one could be so smart however...the disease they have does not consider their intelligence. A very disturbed man.
I find Ed Kemper the most interesting of all the famous serial killers, because when you watch his interviews he's clearly a very smart man and comes off very likable, well outside the killings of course.
Dr Grande, I see you talking on these videos about serial or convicted high profile killers or even the ones about conspiracy theories and I don't know how you do it. How do you get through the whole video without getting sidetracked with a case of the giggles or any or reaction any one of us here watching would have? I try to be respectful and open minded in all parts of my life but I see areas where a person can get caught off guard, so to speak. You run a right ship there. I'm glad.
@@sinmore11 If you despise these types of males you can do your part by not producing any . Take responsibility and don't trash humanity's shared gene pool with more alcoholics , criminals and mental defectives who often suffer the most .
One of the reasons I think Ed turned himself in, he knew he was gonna get caught so the narcissist in him maybe played a part in him turning himself in, instead of being caught. He had to be in control, if you watch his interviews this man is easily one of the most dangerous serial killers from the 70s.
That doesn’t even make sense.. the narcissist in him came from his mother, and if he was so “narcissistic” than he would of kept killing to be in “control” your not in control by going to jail. Make sense of that for me!
I watched your video on narcissist. Kinda kicked my butt a bit. I didn’t like what I was hearing but it needed to be heard so.....thanks. I’m working on it. I’m now a subscriber.
Shout out to the actor who played Kemper on Mindhunter on Netflix. He was so good, I was enthralled by his "stories" and he's not even the real Ed Kemper.
Thank you for creating this fascinating look at Edmund Kemper. I first read of his case last year and was particularly interested in how clear the dysfunction seemed in the mother son relationship. It's sort of the classic example, reminding me of the film "Psycho," and how serial murderers came to be viewed. You spoke of how his rage did not go away after having murdered his mother, and that hadn't struck me before. Idk how accurate this is, but I had read that he buried one of the victim's heads right outside his mother's bedroom window as if the head were looking at her. Creepy. May the dear victims and their loved ones have peace. 🌼 Edit: Your video on Ted Bundy was excellent, btw, and I subscribed right after viewing!
*There are people like Kemper. They may be good people, have skills and a bright future, but anger and frustration turn to pure sociopathy, he couldn't forget his tragic past. He became a bigger monster than his mother.*
that;s what happens to everyone subjected to that kind of abuse, which is why the CIA refined it in their project monarch. Nothing unusual about Ed. We'd all turn out like that if subjected to those stresses
Dr. Grande, your insights are amazing, and I really enjoy these narratives about the serial killers. Thank you so much for taking time to do these videos. I'm a mental patient myself, and although I don't know you I think I could actually trust you as a counselor. Keep up the great work. Cheers!
I find him interesting as he’s clearly self reflective, even calls his actions ‘pathetic’, and allegedly killed a small fraction of the 1000 hitchhikers he picked up over years. If he’s honest, the last two he fought himself not to kill (and didn’t); he’s said it made him realise this must end, and made up his mind to kill his mother. Self reflective or not, this is clearly a very dangerous man; it’s wild he got 7 years (to life), to be served concurrently. It’s interesting only as perhaps these extremes in human behaviour may be insightful - but who knows? He’s a serial killer, and anyone trusting him is showing themselves to be ridiculously naïve.
What's up with California law enforcement serial killers? I would love to hear an analysis of the Golden State Killer. I was absolutely enthralled by the podcast, "Man in the Window".
It´s quite puzzling how these antisocial criminals completely desregard their victim´s feelings but some of them get emotional and even cry when they talk about their own problems and needs. I´ve seen this in Ed Kemper and Casey Anthony, they show great compassion and simpathy just for themselves
I always get reminded of that quote from Lundy Bancroft when the abusive man is like 'by hitting her I was hitting my mother!' and he's like 'no, you were hitting her'.
Sorry! Hit send! In summation of Kemper, I think we don’t know the level of social bullying he got, and that was it! As always, thank you for all your hard work! This was a good one, brought those days right back! Kemper WAS the reason parents warned us about hitchhiking! Best Wishes!
Thank you for doing my request of Ed Kemper Dr. Grande. Its the second time you have done a request of mine..You are the real deal. Kemper safely took girls to their destinations to test himself to not kill them. He did this after he had murdered some girls, I find that especially strange behavior.
Rull Mourn He was very manipulative, do you suppose this gave him a god like feeling? Or perhaps he was testing himself to see if he could stay in control?
I don't find it particularly strange. Its like a recovering alcoholic who wants to test themselves to see if they can be around drinkers without actually drinking alcohol themselves
@@debrajones7344 I think he was really testing himself, thats what he says anyway and he sounds very sincere about it. he said he was trying to cure himself.
I don't think I've said happy new year to you yet Doctor. All the best for you and your loved ones in 2020 from Edinburgh! Lang may yer lums reek! (Scottish for, "long may your chimneys smoke" lol) 💙🏴💙
I am a RUclips creator. Hey Todd I have a video idea for you. How about the psychological effects on making and watching YTube videos. Examples such as the pressure to produce content, dealing with the good and bad criticism of the content, the consequences of making videos effecting other peoples lives....etc. Not many of us YTubers live here in Delaware.😉
Ozzstar my niece is a popular youtuber as well. She works very hard to put out quality content consistently. It’s a real topic of discussion for her. Good thing she is creative, willing to try and absolutely adored by her subs.
I get so self-conscious on camera I can barely stand it. I try to produce content to overcome anxiety, encourage others, and to promote my upcoming album.
5:25 "She berated him for failing to reach a sufficient level of social level". It was not about what he could have achieved in the mental facility, but the fact he went there and was troublesome. She was college-educated, she was displeased with Edmund II (Ed's father) and his level of education. She thought her son didn't deserve the studious, ambitious college girls. It's pretty obvious she wanted her son to be educated, to attend university, but at the age of 21 he wasn't on his way to becoming a college professor, was three years behind others, and he got a menial job.
As a mother, I get so sick and tired of EVERYTHING being blamed on the mother ( Ted Bundy, Adam Lanza, etc.) For the most part, most mothers do the best that they can, AND mothers stay when others(fathers) leave.
@@bebe553 first of all staying doesn't make a woman a good parent. Some women have used their kids to get funding from the government, keep a man and to take their rage out on. There are millions of mother's in this world. What the hell makes you think being a mother automatically equates to being a good person and parent?
@@bebe553 keyword "most" from what's been said about the abuse ed endured as a child from his mother would you deny that it had any effect on who he became
@@idonhaveanyideawhattocallm1472 Of course it had an effect on him, I am not denying that. What I am saying is that mothers' unfairly get blamed for what their children become, especially when they turn out to be MONSTERS. How about the fathers, society, a child's own choices and decisions?
Talacocheta: We’ll if he remains in prison it doesn’t matter what he said he (whatever). Today he’s confined to a wheelchair and is overweight. He’ll likely die soon.
I go back on vacation and I find this jewel. thank you very much Dr. Grande. Now I have something to discuss with my postgraduate partners!. Very interesting that after killing his mother he killed her friend and like what he says in his interviews that his anger ended by killing his mother can be a strategy. To say something negative it would have been better if the video was longer (something I think of all your videos). greetings from Spain.
Watching Ed Kemper break down and give insight into Ed Kemper's crimes is the most disassociated thing to watch. He literally has a "yin-yang" analysis of his own actions. Like he's watching his life as a movie and he is narrarating.
I also think Kemper has stirred so much interest because he's very articulate and in some ways appears to be aware of his own foibles, that being said, it also makes him a much better liar as Dr. Grande said. Kemper was never safe to go back into society, although he did have some moral standards. Now that he's had a stroke, he might be a bit safer to be around in general, but I wouldn't want to be his caretaker.
Very interesting presentation of Ed Kemper. However I would have like to hear a wee bit more about his dynamic with his sister, and why he express violence towards her for a while and not towards the mother at the same time.
I think the lack of attention from the matriach figure of the family made him feel low self-worth and it resulted in him feeling he was not deserving of love from the opposite sex. I remember a quote from a retired FBI profiler, he said genetics loads the gun and environmental factors pulls the trigger. Had the circumstances been different, I think he would still have some psychopathic traits but he might not have offended because not all psychopathic people commit crimes, some can use these to their advantage and get to a high social position.
Of course Dr. grande comes through again with another great analysis I’m really interested in watching this for he is so open and he turned himself in it’s a very unusual case, Not to mention him being released after the grandparents it’s so unusual
My birth mom was also a teacher. (3rd grade) and everyone loved her. Thought she was great. But at home she was extremely abusive. A functional alcoholic. A diagnosed Narcissist. Most likely bipolar from all therapists and court psychiatrists, but refused to get help. Also suffered from depression. She was highly manipulative. Especially in legal systems. She was very good at "pulling the wool over people's eyes" so to speak. I really don't think it's all that strange that Ed's mother is thought of nice by collègues and not by kind at all to family aka people who she finds below her.
It took me as a fourteen year old to document photos. Videos. Audio recordings. And detailed notes throughout my life with her to get assigned a guardian ad litem and was able to get my dad full custody of us. For the truth to finally come to light.
Hmm, there are a few things off with this one. Kemper himself has been interviewed and talks about some of this and states that once he killed his mother, his interest/need to continue to kill was not really there. He implied that all of the murders leading up to hers were substitutes for her. He says "I hated my mother, but I wanted to love my mother." It is also said in this video that Kemper's mother was a pretty awful and abusive person; however, on what basis are we saying this? If it is based on what Kemper said, that is not reliable. Kemper has said that he killed the women out of his frustration around women; not sexual impotence, but awkwardness, he says that he had NO idea how to converse with women at all. It is obvious when he speaks that he is extremely articulate and intelligent, he even has a wry sarcasm about his acts. He even (although, admittedly, he could have been acting) cries about the murder of his mother and expresses regret for having done it. It was he who turned himself in afterwards. The night he murdered her, he came in to her bedroom to talk to her about something and she got irritated, threw down her book and said "Oh, I suppose you're going to want to talk about etc etc" and his feelings were hurt and he said "No, no I don't need to talk" and then went to his room, simmering. He waited until she fell asleep, and then took a hammer of some kind - the worst kind of hammer, the most damaging kind, if I remember correctly - and beat her head in with it. He then cut off her head and had sex with her corpse. He took out her vocal chords and put them down the kitchen disposal because he was so tired of hearing her yell at him. Cutting off his victim's heads and having sex with the corpses was common for Kemper. No doubt, his crimes were gruesome, yet he is a fascinating study. He is massive in size and if you google him, the comparison in size to other men is incredible. He could kill you with his body size alone. What I noticed is that the interviews in 1984 and then in 1991 or whenever they are differ dramatically - in the latter videos Kemper is much heavier, gained a lot of weight, is much sloppier, appears to have picked up some strange physical gestures. Anyway, google Kemper himself if you want to know what Kemper felt or thought. His videos are on here. I do agree that he is no doubt still dangerous today, even with his mother dead, I think the danger remains, even if he thought it subsided when he killed her back in the early 70s.
it is interesting that somehow Kemper's mother is defined by Kemper who as Dr. Grande says, is known to be a liar. Kemper's mother was known to be a good co-worker. perhaps Kemper's mother did the best she could given her son is a psychopath OR maybe she was as horrible as HE says. the fact remains that his experience is common for many but seldom leads to such behavior.
Kids aren’t just phsychopaths cut that BS! His mother made him this way by not loving him and respecting him. That’s all Ed needed ! Everyman needs love and respect from his mother! You would not be the same person if your mom locked you in the basement cause she didn’t trust you and thought you’d rape your sisters or something. And your own sisters treat you like a caged animal !! This would ruin a mans in the most vulnerable of ways
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In all of the interviews we see of Ed Kemper online where he comes across as intelligent and composed, he's being interviewed by men. Yet according to one woman who interviewed Ed, when she first began asking him questions he at first seemed calm and composed, no signs that she could detect of anger and aggression, and there seemed to be nothing off about him, just like in other interviews. But then she asked him a question about women and all of a sudden he burst out in anger and started yelling at her. So I think you're right Dr. Grande, I think he still has suppressed rage in him towards women and more specifically his mother and thus, he's still a danger to society.
Can I have the link or what do I search for this?
You’re right
He has anger issues specially towards women
Im glad I didnt have kids.
Well he has said that he doesn't want to be released that most likely why he doesn't bother going to the parole hearings
FBI Agent Ressler once interviewed Kemper on his own in a cell and when he felt like there was nothing else to discuss with Ed he pushed the buzzer to call the guards to end the interview and bring him back to his cell, which didn't seem to happen even after a third push on the buzzer after probably 20 to 30 minutes, Kemper took this opportunity to tell Ressler that he could use this 20 minutes alone to ''kill him and screw his head off on the spot'', Kemper would scoff at all the possible consequences that could come from killing a fed agent convincing Ressler he's dealing with a man who has nothing left to lose.
When the guards came Kemper would touch his shoulder and tell him he was joking, causing Ressler to vow to never let himself, of any other FBI agent to interview such a dangerous individual alone.
He was able to have another serial killer under his control like a pet, Fred Mullin, the guy who wanted to prevent earth quakes by killing people, became his cell neighbour, whenever he'd bother the other prisoners, Ed would throw a bucket of watter at him, if he behaved, Ed would give him peanuts, Fred was essentially a pet to him.
Kemper has a strong tendency to gain control, and sometimes assert dominance even over the FBI whenever those stars align for him, even though he killed just one man, that is enough to prove he's not shy from making his hands dirty like that, he definitely is extremely dangerous.
I think the parallels between Kemper being a model prisoner and his mother being considered "easy to work with" are interesting..
Thanks for pointing this out... Sometimes people who suffer from mental health issues can still maintain a normal, or in this case positive, image to outsiders. Or maybe manipulation ran in the family?
Interesting that the FBI profiling suggested that whoever jack the ripper was, he would most likely have been compliant and obedient at work
Kemper's issues have nothing to do with men so he is in an environment he can be perfectly fine. His rage and mental issues stem from women feeling inadequate and fearing rejection. Which turned to blind rage towards women. Bringing women around him in that prison would be what takes to bring out his dark side.
Seriously tho 😂
Never thought about this but this is extremely interesting!
Kemper is also noteworthy for having an unusual degree of insight into his own behavior.
I think that's the most fascinating part of his psyche
He was a Genius
He would help the psychologists and psychiatrists “grade” the evaluations and tests of other patients during his time at the mental health facility.
@Van Helsing It would be both. You would need genuine insight in order to use it to manipulate, Kemper's manipulation game was strong too, so wouldn't surprise me that he used his actual mental health issues against others.
If IQ tests are to be believed, you could pick 100 people at random and he would be more intelligent than 99 of them.
Freud would have loved to analyze Kemper; he fit Freud's model too perfectly
Oh my, yes. That would have been a wet dream for him! lol I would pay money to see such an interaction.
Yes, Kemper even talks like how you would think Freud would talk to his paitents.
Freud himself was a pretty sick puppy, himself. He abused his female patients _constantly_ in all sorts of disturbing ways.
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Ed would've loved to decapitate Freud and abuse his head in lots of disturbing ways)
@@dAvrilthebear kemper only has it for females.
“He screamed at her head for about an hour...”
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Zach Cia umm so... murder, necrophilia and incest at the same time... lovely
Youre forgetting that he ripped her vocal cords and shoved them down that thing you grind garbage into pieces. 😥
This is the best damn demented-sounding sentence fragment since "He encouraged them to eat the cheese to make the feces taste better" (drawn from the Wikipedia article about child sex abuser Ed Savitz)!
From the things she allegedly did to him, that honestly sounds quite understandable.
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Can you imagine being a teenager and every night your mother locks you in what is essentially a prison cell, saying that you're going to sexually abuse your sisters, and your sisters threaten to kill you, you don't have anyone on your side and your father abandoned and rejected you? Not everyone would turn into a misogynistic murderer, but nobody would have come out of that normal. Nobody.
That has always been Kemper's story and narrative. Nobody in his family has corroborated it. What we know is that what's left of his family, never wants to see him out of prison. They've hinted at the true Kemper and one of them said he would murder him if he was released. After he learnt about the the threat, he stopped attending his parole hearings and settled into his computer job. Nobody in his family writes to him, never mind visit. If they felt his upbringing was responsible, they'd be more sympathetic.
Exactly! I have sympathy and understanding for him. He was dealt a crappy hand.
Thats true …very true ..its very destructive to dismiss such a pained soul..its destructive for us people do dismiss how people are extremely exposed to pain and violence..
I myself have been abused at a young age ..my childhood was traumatic..as a result i am not normal …but the issue here is people around actually believes that i might end up like those monsters (ed kemper..etc)
I mean no one directly told me so but u can just smell it u know …the insinuations and theatrical plays …i used to believe i was doing good and fine for someone who had my experiences..I thought people understood my pains ..alas everyone now has presupposed ideas and convictions ..ignoring the fact i have autism and adhd …which to be fair alot of their traits i do share ..but so does every human on earth ..
Now all i want from life is to literally isolated and have a family of my own away from everyone i ever knew …even that aspirations is translated as me trying to perform my fantasies..which again every human being has a fantasy …
I am hurt more than i can describe of how people i loved now look at me ..I am 29 years old who can’t hold a job ..no ones wants to really help not support even by a kind word ..my life now is literally insinuations and plots to prove for themselves that i may hurt someone..
I cried for a week when i killed rat in our home ..how just how are people perceiving me as someone who could end up like those monsters ..
What this world needs is true love and mercy ..we need to express how we as humans have the capability of helping the humans ones in need of it ..
Humanity is straying away from its beautiful potential..
I blame tv and such ..people are more in touch with their perceptions and ideologies rather than other people ..
All those monsters ever needed was an ear and a pure heart to understand them ..thats not to say they don’t deserve what they got because they do … no one has the right to do such heinous crimes no matter what they went through..
"Can you imagine being a teenager and every night your mother locks you in what is essentially a prison cell"
Can you imagine having an aggressive lunatic as a son who's notorious for manupulation and acting on it? The mother didn't know what to do with him so essentially locked him up.
@@malchir4036 ya fr like ok it’s sad and his mom was undoubtedly a bitch but come on let’s chill with the empathy for ed 😂 he could have tried to actually work on himself at the mental hospital, instead he just manipulated everyone and got a PhD in killing lol
Kemper scares me because i know if i had met him back then i would have liked him. Everyone that ever talked to him said they liked him.
Yeah this is true for me too, much more so than other supposedly charismatic murderers. Very disturbing.
Fun fact; you've met and probably even had long interactions with psychopaths in your lifetime. The figures, last I checked, is 1 in 10. So every 10th person you meet could be an Ed Kemper. :) Sleep well
People with antisocial personality disorder are much more likely to be the victims of violent crimes than the perpetrators. You sound like Shane Dawson.
@@linasayshush ..Maybe I am.
Rull Mourn me too.
I recall a documentary about Kemper in which it was claimed he desires to remain in prison in order that he not engage in further crimes. Thanks for another excellent analysis, Dr. Grande - I'm barely keeping up with your video uploads!
Oh I saw that one. Yeah he basically says prison is all he knows and is where he’s most comfortable.
The documentary I saw (maybe the same one) said Kemper removed the vocal cords from his mother's head and washed them into the garbage disposal in the sink.
He recorded hundreds if not a few thousand spoken novels for the blind. There's a clip of him reading some book, pretty wild weird...
Yes he called and turned himself in. Police were not looking at him at all.
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I find Ed Kemper really fascinating in terms of.... mental health. I'm not glorifying him but i find it really interesting tha he was extremely cooperative in prision...and i think he still is having recorded a lot of audiobooks for blind people. It's like he's two different human beings. I don't know.
This video was great and i love the way you analize everything.
Kemper has said in an interview that he basically was 2 different people. One person, just a normal guy, living a normal life. The other, a serial killer.
"I lived most of my life as a normal, regular person. But also a parallel, increasingly violent life"
Not an exact quote but that's the just of it lol when the interviewer asked how he could appear to be a normal, regular guy, while being a killer.
I’ve heard about a lot of violent criminals who ended up being model prisoners.
I don't find it too surprising. They just wanted containment and normal caregivers which they probably got in prison.
Have been following him since 73 .He is by far the most interesting serial killer i have ever come across.
I keep returning to his case, looking up different facts about him and listening t podcasts.
I like how he is portrayed in Netflix's Mindhunter but I was intrigued by his personality before that.
I find it really comforting that you acknowledge that character traits are stable over a lifetime. That has been my experience, but it's easy to get shouted down by a chorus of "people can change" and "forgiveness is important". Safety is definitely more important than forgiveness.
You get Jesus in your heart and all is forgiven.
Take a life, serve life. Intentional murder of this nature deserves life in prison.
Too many people who will interpret "forgiveness" as "permission to do it again".
And taking away the consequences of your actions
I had to accept that some people are both innocent and intolerable.
This analysis of Ed Kemper is absolutely fascinating. I think someone should look into his horrible sister, mother, and granny, too, though. My husband and I really were fascinated with this video. Thank you!
I agree - it would be interesting to know what happened to his sisters (have they lead regular lives) - especially the one who tried to kill him twice, and what was his mother's childhood like to make her that way.
I so agree! There's so much to learn by interviewing the parents! Ted Bundys mother is of extreme interest based on the little video footage we've seen of her.
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i agree with some of the interest in a homicidal maniac however Ed Kemper deserves a date with old sparky. Mom must have been mental to have him around after he was cured and released to her uncaring ways!
@@opeelmr4800 yea everybody forgets that his mother isn't alive to tell her side of the story ....they take what he says as gospel....I don't believe a word out of his mouth...period!
The Mind-hunter series does a fantastic job portraying Ed Kemper.
It’s a very well done show-a bit depressive, but based on true facts regarding FBI coming up with criminal profiling in the 70s. Highly recommended...
I agree. Really enjoyed the series
@@suvashninaidoo2883 was he as bad as ppl say? Haven't finished the video
@@suvashninaidoo2883 he made furniture out of people right? Do we hold that as morally worse than if he laid these bodies out to rot? Flies - bacteria - or a lamp - what do you guys think? Would you rather have a lamp or a dead body? Really - let me know your view, the subject matter intrigues me
@Van Helsing I drank too much and intentionally inflamed the conversation
@Van Helsing I think I have lung cancer or something
There are some things Kemper said about himself that I believe. One was that he was motivated by hatred for his mother. He chose coeds as victims -- trying specifically to target coeds at the university where his mother worked -- because his mother clearly cared about the girls that attended the school. He said that he killed them to hurt his mother by killing people that she would actually care about, though I'm guessing that jealousy that the co-eds got the love and respect from his mother is probably a bigger factor.
He said that he killed his mother because he thought that killing her would satisfy the rage and after that he would no longer feel the urge to commit murder. He said that after he killed his mother's friend he realized that the rage was still there and he still wanted to kill. He said that's the reason why he turned himself in -- because he know that only if he was in prison would he stop killing. I tend to believe that because though he would have been caught eventually, he would have had plenty of time to be free and to keep killing. The bodies of his mother and her friend might not have been discovered for days. That would give him plenty of time to relocate. Yeah, at 6'9" he would never be able to be inconspicuous, but freedom is freedom.
Those are my thoughts.
His mother also repeatedly told him that he was unworthy of these pretty, successful college girls she was around all the time. They would never want a monster as grotesque as him etc.
She anyway not sure about the sisters or grandma was obsessed with his extreme height. Saying he was not normal, and a threat to his sisters at that size. He was locked downstairs most of the time, barely making headroom in the basement. He was rarely allowed upstairs, but on some occasions such as eating maybe, the toilet, shower etc. Then was made to return to be hidden away like an animal that is disfigured ( which is a horrible thing also by most human standards) i have a son myself he isn't 6'9 by any means, if he was that would not be a reason to fear him, to me. Could be a big teddy bear. And a 5'1 man may be a monster. Not Kemper he is of course a monster. I mean in general. What does height matter if they are gentle, but it did to her. Maybe not fit her social class ideals who knows. When she seen him as grotesque for being so tall, the sisters followed moms beliefs, I assume. Sadly, no one wanted this man really, and he was abused by all his family. Neither parent wanted him. Dad sent him away, or back to mom, and m o m and sisters not wanted him around. No mention of maternal grandparents I have ever known. Perhaps died before he was born or when young. Or just not talked to their daughter. Hard to say.
I always felt his general anger was against his mother. He even put her voice box down the garbage disposal. It flew back out. He commented he just couldn't even shut her up in death. He also raped her friend. ATM I don't recall if before or after death tho. Many details are missing, that are in true crime books about him from legit writers.
Though I felt that she created his anger, he is forever a danger and must die in a cage, for safety of all. California at their silly concurrent sentences. First they let him out at 21 for a double homicide of both grandparents, ( Reagan as gov demanded cut funds all released early as possible from mental facilities) given to his mom, whom the drs expressed he should have no contact. Then expunged the record ! So he, if not for the height, could have been a serial killing cop. Then give him 10 life sentences concurrently min 7 years. Thats insanity at best. If let out he could have killed 12 people in his life, and served 7 years. I think on that they grew a brain, and went consecutively. Some crimes perhaps concurrent is ok. Murder isn't one of them, nor any violent acts.
He isn't the only cali inmate to have gotten that ridiculous standard. The hillside strangers also did, with all they did. The man that kidnapped Steven stayer because the younger boys trial was first. He got 7 years for it or similar. When stayners trial came the judge, due to their laws could only add 22 months. For 7 years of captivity and rape. That's a slap in the face to victims and their families.
Kemper isn't normal or mentally healthy by any standards. Some nature, some nuture. His childhood surely didn't help matters.
I don't think the fact that his mother was well-liked at work is particularly relavent to the quality of her mental health; my stepmother was a grandiose narcissistic abuser and was still well-liked at several (though not all) her jobs; on the other hand, her primary career was in dealership vehicle sales (a profession notorious for rewarding grandiose narcissistic behavior), so make of this what you will. Thanks for uploading!
I think too, that there is the distinct possibility of "don't speak ill of the dead." I also think narcissists can and do pick their targets. It is also possible his mom could be a great gal at work because every drop of her anger and frustration she was able to save up and discharge like a firehose onto her son? You see a bit of this in the way the sister was able to discharge her anger and frustration on to her brother. In that household is sounds like that was the accepted way to get through the day.
My verbally/physically abusive (probably Borderline) mother was one of the most liked and well-respected women in our small Southern Baptist church. When I was a child I'd watch her interact with parishioners as though she were the most empathetic, kind, generous, loving human in the world. I'd be thinking to myself, "I you only knew what she's like when we get home."
Yeah, my own mom had a very different persona depending on the situation. Wonderful to visit, a nightmare to live with. After my dad died I moved in with my mom to look after her, and after about a year I'd had enough. I decided to move to another country and put a large chunk of planet earth between me and mom. I might have opted for another planet entirely at that point if I could have managed it. My brother and his wife were to move in. I begged and pleaded with them to let me split costs with them to put a nice mobile home on the multi-acre lot so that they could be close enough to keep an eye on her but wouldn't have to live with her. My brother was mom's pet; I wasn't worried about him. But I knew mom would make "Martina's" life a living hell. Martina scoffed. "Your mom and I have always gotten along!" "Trust me, Marti. It will be different when you move in." Nope. Martina had known mom for about 15 years and was convinced that she was just a lovely woman.
About 6 or 7 months later I came home for visit and was hanging out with my brother in the garage. My sister-in-law came in and said to me, "Your mom's mean!" Poor Marti. I'd tried to warn her. I was like, "Would I have offered to spend ten or twenty thousand dollars to provide you with a place where you wouldn't have to live with Mom if there wasn't a good reason?" I think Marti spent the rest of Mom's life kicking herself for not listening to me.
@@thesisypheanjournal1271 My mother was never wonderful to visit. Someone I know was moaning about all the "forgotten elderly" in nursing homes and I thought to myself (yeah, and some of them were heck on wheels to their own families).Old does not necessarily equal loving.
@@ellecee453 OMG my grandmother! One time my dad went to visit her at her home and found her collapsed on the floor. He called 911 and when she got out of the hospital her doctor said that she must not live alone any more because next time there might not be anybody coming by to find her.
My dad moved her in with him and mom. After about 18 months my dad's cardiologist told him that if he didn't move his mother out, they were going to bury him because the stress was killing him.
So he moved her into a lovely situation a couple of miles away. It was a middle-aged couple who were licensed to care for the elderly. They treated those old ladies like they were their own beloved mothers. They had an above-ground pool, and in the summer Mr. Long would carry the old ladies one by one onto the deck of the pool and help settle them in deck chairs with cold drinks, then he and his wife would take them into the pool one at a time and help them safely have a nice swim. My dad visited at least daily, my mom went by several times a week with my grandmother's favorite foods, etc. After about 6 months the other old ladies' doctors told Mr. and Mrs. Long that they needed to move "Maggie" out because the stress of living with her was killing them.
So they put her in a large care facility. The people there took wonderful care of her. Example: One day I was visiting and Grandma said she wanted a snack. I went to the dining room and told the two ladies working there that "Mrs. Bower" wanted a snack. They told me to bring her down. I pushed Grandma down there in her wheelchair and by the time we'd arrived they'd made her a bologna sandwich just the way she liked it -- white bread, lettuce but no tomato, with mayonnaise. They had a cup of coffee for her, just the way she liked it. They greeted her, sat down with her to chat while she ate her sandwich and drank her coffee, and offered me a sandwich and drink. When she was done with her sandwich they offered her ice cream, which she took. A very pleasant visit and it was clear that the ladies really did know her and take an interest in her well being.
I pushed her back to her room, where she sighed and complained, "They're so mean to me here!" Not ironic. She was just that oblivious.
One day she complained to me that she was so bored, and I asked her why she didn't play the piano in the day room. (She had been quite an accomplished pianist.) She snapped, "I'm not going to play the piano for those people!" "But you don't have to play for them. Just play for your own enjoyment." "Yeah, but they'd listen!"
I loved my grandmother, don't get me wrong, but we were all relieved when she died.
Edmund's story always makes me sad. His mother robbed him of his potential. The worst thing that happened to him was being put back with the mother after doing so well in the hospital. He needed love and structure.
When released he was 21(age of majority), he did not have to go back. Although, it might have been his only option.
@@leximartineau-saarniit7016 he had to go back, he was released to his mum. Idk if that makes sense.
@@dmcken4671 It does make sense in legal terms in a way. His doctors still recommended that he should not live with his mother, It was on his discharge papers!
Mas allá de la madre, y la responsabilidad q le cabe, es un asesino, él, no los demás. Mucha gente pasa por experiencias similares y no terminan, matando, cortando las cabezas, y abusando de cadáveres, comprende?. Si presta atención en sus entrevistas, nunca se hace responsable del daño, la culpa es de la madre, pero fueron sus manos las q ejecutaron a la gente, todas mujeres, el odio hacia el género no va a desaparecer.
@@leximartineau-saarniit7016 no entiendo de qué hablan? El asesinó a su abuela y a su abuelo, era un asesino. Si volvía con su madre o no, ya no iba a cambiar el hecho de que seguiría matando. Parece que no logran entender, está en su naturaleza.
I think Ed Kemper still has unresolved anger towards his mother and would likely continue killing young or even older women. Why do you think he turned himself in? Because he knew that he was a danger to society especially to women based on his maternal resentment and rage towards his mother for abusing him verbally. The mother definitely has some levels of narcissistic and antisocial traits which he might have inherited which explains why he didnt display his anger in the form of violence towards her when she was alive. Anyways the video was very informative and this situation shows how information the mother and child relationship is to future relationships. Thanks, Dr Grande for sharing this video with us.
Wow you're on fire Dr G - I can hardly keep up.
Dave Shttwth....I need to catch up?...Who is Edmund Kemper?...(i crawl down as I press the key pad?)
@@lynkent677 Listen to the video. The Dr. explains everything.
@@lynkent677 as Kay says, Doctor Grande explains Ed's general story but if you want to know more here's a link to one of Ed's interviews to start you off:
ruclips.net/video/pFfc151Zkg4/видео.html
@@arianaajbeaverhausen8175 Thank you...
@@arianaajbeaverhausen8175 Thank you
In listening to Kempers interviews, even years after he killed his mother, she's still living in his head, denigrating and degrading him. She'll always be there. Sad.
it’s crazy how that can effect some people so deeply. like i get trauma and stuff but it seems like some people have such trouble leaving their childhood behind and making their life about moving forward and positivity , not about their childhood
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I have to say. In interviews he comes off as extremely normal and high functioning. This was a facinating vid
all serial killers must be high-functoning, otherwise they wouldnt be "serial".
@@christopherpoblete8562 how so? it doesn't exactly require finesse to for example kill passed out drunks in an alleyway every once in a while.
After watching Mind Hunter, this analysis was perfect! You did a great job covering Ed Kempers life and everything that transpired.
Amazing video as usual Doctor G!
He might have got caught when the first two girls were in his car. Because the one girl he took out to kill and accidentally left his keys in the car with the other girl and the car locked. He was cunning enough to talk her into letting him back in by saying that he wouldn't hurt her if she let him do that. He was convincing enough that she unlocked the door instead of starting the car and taking off. I've heard him speak and he did say that once his mother was dead his zest for killing women waned and he really just didn't have a desire for it anymore. Thanks doctor! interesting stuff.
He was also 6'9. Even a girl on crutches could have probably outrun him.
He is interesting, I think because he is coherent and in some cases seems honest in telling his story. His account of that first murder of hitchikers differs from this. In his account he returned, stabbed the second girl and put her dying body in the trunk, then thought that he locked the car keys in the trunk with the body. He panicked and started to run, stumbled and fell, then told himself to slow down and think. After a moment he calmly checked all of his pockets and found the keys in his back pocket.
I would have taken off so fucking fast.
helmeteye Height doesn’t make one run slowly, look at basketball players. His issue would have been obesity, not height. But we’re not talking about running, we’re talking about the car are we not?
@@filminginportland1654 If anything, someone taller could generally run faster as each stride would take them further than someone who is shorter.
I really enjoy this gentleman's presentation style. Concise and easy to listen to and obtain the information. Keep the videos coming!
There are a lot of reasons why inmates waive their rights to parole hearings. In Kemper's case, I find myself doubting that altruism was high on the list.
What ever happened to Ed's two sisters? It would have been interesting to ask them what their mother was like to them and to Ed.
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, and his sister even tried to kill Kemper twice. I can say with 100% certainty that they all have the same disorders in one way or the other.
The sisters have spoken on the subject in the past; you can find interviews online. The oldest sister has passed on.
I agree that Kemper is intelligent and very articulate in interviews. I’ve watched a few of them. Too bad his intelligence was “interrupted" by his mother and sister. Thanks for your insight into this man, Dr Grande.
oof, terrible choice of words.... makes it sound like he was not responsible for his behaviour.. i mean yeah, his mother surely did a number on him but others suffer the same abuse and don't devolve into psychotic serial killers
@@stefanforrer2573 Not that many suffer that level of abuse.
@@dingfeldersmurfalot4560 uuh yeah, there are people who had it far worse....
I'm sure he could've played in the NBA being 6 feet and 9 inches tall
@@stefanforrer2573 For me it’s a combinatorial outcome. You have certain genetic traits that are predictive of Anti-social personality disorder (ASPD). That’s potential energy, like TNT. Then you have environmental factors (in this case, abuse and neglect from mother and family). That’s the length of fuse and the match. People with low genetic predisposition for ASPD could endure horrible abuse which is lighting a very short fuse, but it just goes “pop” like a firecracker. People like Kemper could endure mild abuse which lights the fuse but it’s really really long, so spark never reaches TNT. Nobody dies, no pets decapitated, etc. But you light a short fuse (terrible environmental factors) of someone like Kemper (malevolent genetic factors) and you get a 100kTon bomb exploding.
One thing that struck me in the interviews of his I’ve watched is the fact that he’s so self aware. He knew that he was displacing his rage toward his mother by killing young women. He knows that he is still a danger to society, that he would probably kill again if he was released. He also seems pretty egotistical. He’s very intelligent, and he knows that. He knew that he’d get recognition by doing interviews. It is unlikely that he did all those interviews because he truly wanted to help. I couldn’t see any moral qualms he may have had with the murders, but he knows objectively that it’s wrong. One of the most fascinating cases in my opinion.
I agree! I can’t stand the people who comment saying ignorant things like how he’s sick monster and it’s his fault! I’m not disagreeing with the fact that he’s a sick monster , but he was created ! A mother’s love should be unconditional, he never had a chance .
omg doing a research paper on ed kemper right now this is so timely and useful!! thanks Dr. Grande😁
Ed Kemper has always been an interresting case for me. My father worked for the Santa Cruz County Coroner/DA's office at that time & met Ed Kemper who was asked to disclose where he buried his victims. Also, at that time, my husband was a Santa Cruz police officer. He & his friend, whom Kemper confessed to, knew him from drinking together at the Jury Room, a bar across the street from the county courthouse that they used to frequent.
My father is 90 years old now & still speaks of the cases & experiences he had during his time as a young deputy coroner. He worked on the Trail Side Killer (David Carpenter) case also.
I am occasionally surprised by my father, (who has pretty advanced dementia), when he tells me in clear detail, specifics about cases he worked on & experiences he had as a young deputy.
Thank you for your video on Edmund Kemper.
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I'm from the same city where Kemper committed all of his adult crimes, ( I was a child while it was going on here, so I don't remember anything from that time period ). It was creepy and alarming to learn about it all as I became old enough and was frequenting everywhere he carried out these acts. Later, as a teen, I had a co-worker who was one of the girls he picked up hitchhiking, but she was one of the lucky ones who he let go. According to her story, she testified as a witness at his trial, and he said he wanted to kill her, but someone had seen him pick her up, so he felt he couldn't take a chance on making her his victim due to that witness. I think his case really sheds light on how some juvenile violent criminals should be tried as adults. So much for the mental facility doing him any good. He should have been permanently locked up after his first crimes.
Well, he probably would have been fine if he wasn't put back with his mother after the mental hospital. That was the biggest and most crucial mistake.
Our system is terribly broken.
Katie; Retired RN
I am obsessed w this man. I find him absolutely fascinating
Hi Dr Grande,
Kemper, for those of us around when he was young and active, just the name gives that feeling of a pit in your stomach!
I agree with your assessment of him, and I’ll add what I’ve always thought of him.
It’s interesting that he was a huge man. Just TOWERED over most people. The thought that ridicule got to him that much is hard to grasp. But he wasn’t always a huge man. He was a child, who apparently suffered the taunting and ridicule from every girl, then woman in his life. It makes sense he snapped with his Grandmother, as he was older, had access to weapons and didn’t have the bond with her as he did with his mother. SHE wasn’t his Mom. And so specific to women, as he felt killing his Grandfather was an act of mercy. He was clearly void of any emotional regret, maybe from years of blocking those emotions with his Mother and sister.
As he entered puberty, he clear mixed his sexuality with his already unhealthy regard towards women. He wanted acceptance, but wasn’t going to get it, yet oddly kept trying, only to get rejected. I’ll bet he was taunted relentlessly in any school setting by both boys and girls, especially as he got bigger and bigger. He probably was utterly awkward. And there was NO blending in or hiding, not at that height. Imagine the bullying and what THAT did to him. I think if there was a shred of saving him, it was gone 18. He simply didn’t feel anything but rage, which is empowering.
The fact his Mother took him in after he’d already murdered his Grandparents is absolutely stunning! She must’ve felt some sort of live and duty to have done so! Her biggest mistake was treating him with disdain on any level. I can’t imagine what this woman was thinking!
He does say that he took his rage out on co-eds, and should’ve killed his Mother instead. (Like that’s a choice?!) I don’t, and never thought that was entirely true. Just my opinion, but I’ll bet he flirted, or hit on the first girls he picked up hitchhiking, and that was the final push he needed. All he needed was further rejection. He knew he’d never get anything but rejected by the opposite sex. Had he met a girl at some point in his teen years maybe he might not have gone that route.i really believe this as he had such a need to humiliate the dead. His way of saying “who’s the idiot now?”
His final break was working up the rage, or courage to kill his Mother.
I’ve said before, those years really seemed to be Serial Killer hey days. Very different times, and much more anonymous. One would see prostitution regularly in the city. You don’t see that today. People were out, and victims were accessible.
Most interesting to me was the police interviewing Kemper for his help in capturing other Serial murders. Same as the police interviewed Bundy in effort to catch the Green River Killer.
You're so of base with your diagnosis. What do you do for a living?
@@erust9465 Interesting take. It's very sad he was so emotionally & socially crippled because he wasn't unattractive & lots of girls love tall men. If you read about his mother, Clarnell, she had difficulties in her marriages & seems to have had serious emotional issues herself. His other sister had a lot to say about that.
I think you're right to be skeptical of the hypothesis that the mother was borderline. The mother being popular at work seems more consistent with the "patrons and pawns" mentality of dark triad types - assuming we can trust Kempers statements about her.
Regarding release, the families of the victims may be unhappy with the idea. Also, having been in prison since the mid '70s he may not be able to function in the world.
Another interesting video, thankyou.
This guy would gain nothing out of making stuff up about his mother! Your ignorance is what creates these monsters. You don’t know everything Bruce ! Be humble .
I’m sure if she was alive she would be denying it!! What mother would get on Camera and say yeah I abused my son!!
I’m sure she’d make excuses for some of the things she did and blame Ed! His mother lacked accountability it’s the exact reason the marriage with his father didn’t work.
Ed's father pretty much supported the exact same depiction of her that he gave. Ed is a sociopath; they're made not born.
145 IQ this guy is smarter than Bundy.
I’m not so sure of that. Maybe
Everyone's smarter than Bundy.
Zero_BS_Tolerance Really? Well considering that Ted Bundy was smart enough to escape prison...Twice. Something that Kemper never managed to do, I’m going to have to disagree with you.
@@davesworld7688 Yeah because escaping jail requires a genius IQ. I'll remind you that Kemper turned himself in and has never tried to escape.
@@zero_bs_tolerance8646 He had an IQ 122 well above average.
One of the most interesting presentations you have done. Why are we fascinated with serial killers?
Because we're all kind of nutty!🤪
Perverse curiosity: the psychology of mental illness is fascinating.
What separates us from them?
@@badcornflakes6374 Normal ppl have a conscience, they don't. The end.
@@daisylavender5275 incorrect.
I'm so glad you made this. Kemper is one of the most interesting serial killers in my opinion. I've been fascinated by him for awhile.
I found this interesting as I do many of your analyses. I too believe that ED should remain in prison and he likely would not cope well "on the outside " at his age and after such a long period of incarceration. I wonder what he would have done with his life without the mother from He'll? I worked a job as an RN in a maximum security prison in 2001 or 2002. In this prison there was an Aged Care Unit which at that time held a man named John Wayne Glover who was known as "The Granny Killer" having violently murdered 6 elderly ladies in the Mosman area of NSW in the 1990's. He had been a pie salesman and Gates his mother in law. I wasn't present for the altercation with Glover and an elderly nurse who clearly reminded him of someone he hated or if the thrill of the kill because he somehow got a little TOO close to this "grandma" and the assistance of the Officers who were always present when we gave out medication in areaswhere the inmates were not in their cells. After this incident that nurse no longer went into that unit. I believe that,until proven otherwise, we need to assume that the inmate is STILL a danger to both staff members and society in general. Thank you for reading this.
The actor that plays him in Mindhunter on Netflix is the carbon copy, amazing acting.
Thanks for vid.
Great acting in the series by everyone except Jonathan Groth as Holden Ford. Nothing like the character in the book and completely ruins it for me.
@@somethingnotmaterial Leave Kristoff alone 😅
@@vanessasouthern1792 Cameron Britton played Kemper in Mindhunter. He was nominated for an Emmy for his performance. He's great.
I am not clear as to why his first psychologist couldn't foresee any problems down the road with everything that was going on with him in his life. Why did he or she dismiss this fact?
More likely because of the infancy of the practice at the time he was evaluated.
@clysses S so true. He literally said this in an interview series you can find here on RUclips.
He would of been better in a foster home.
Ed Kemper was smart enough to tell psychologist what they wanted to hear.
Dr. Grande is straight forward and highly informed. I enjoy listening to his analysis. Easy to follow and understand.
I had truly awful parents. Body count = 0. My father beat and tormented me for years. Number of decapitated heads in my freezer. 0. Gotta channel the inherent violence for good. Protect the innocent. Yeah, having awful parents can ruin one's life, but one shouldn't use that as an excuse to ruin other's lives.
Might have something to do with IQ
It’s so weird to have BPD and see these traits within you, and yet not be the same as her. I can lash out, but until I was diagnosed I thought I was in the right. That’s what’s scary. Many I meet like me aren’t “bad,” just mentally ill and victims of childhood abuse/trauma. We are always as adults though responsible for our actions. I’m so grateful that info is getting out more about BPD and people are understanding it so we can stop the cycle of abuse in its tracks. Thank you Doctor Grande for your analysis and always being objective!
I know this is an old comment but I completely disagree. Edmund Kemper went through terrible trauma so he took that trauma out on those around him and that's what makes him a bad person. It's what makes him a monster. And that's what makes borderlines monsters too. They CHOOSE to take the trauma out on other people. I know it's difficult to believe you're the bad guy and a bad person but every person who harms innocent people regardless of how justified you believe you are is a bad person. Period. End of story . All I hear are excuses excuses excuses it's not my fault I hurt everyone around me with my behavior because I was traumatized and I have a mental illness. So what you believe your trauma and mental illness gives you the right to traumatize and harm everyone else? No it doesn't. And it doesn't excuse your behavior either. All it means is you have to work harder to not hurt people around you. It doesn't give you a free pass to hurt people around you and not be held accountable. You don't get to claim yeah I blow up and hurt everyone around me with my behavior but I'm still a good person. Because that isn't true. If you truly can't control yourself you need to be locked away in a mental institution where you can't hurt other people ever again. Oh you're not willing to institutionalize yourself to protect other people from you then you're a worse person than Edmund Kemper is.
@@WhitneyDahlin not sure if you read the original comment. You seem to be responding to something that isn’t there.
Thank you for covering Edmund Kemper. His case has always fascinated me. I didn't have a mom like his, but I had a dad who was pretty close to that same kind of twisted.
I also 'identify' with him because he seems to always try to appear very smart and knowledgeable in his interviews. It seems he uses a lot of language and terminology that people like Robert Ressler used. Although he is obviously very intelligent, I think he intentionally speaks in a way similar to the experts who study people like him to appear just that much more intelligent. I behaved that way quite often before I got sober (4-9-90). It was mostly as a way of trying to hide my perceived insecurities and inadequacies - which were largely created by my dad.
I don't wish to aggrandise Kemper in any way - and I certainly don't want to seem to be self-aggrandising either. I am just trying to explain why Edmund Kemper has always been fascinating to me.
(and no, I'm not a serial killer - haha).
Again, thank you very much for this, and all of your videos. They are extremely well presented and easily understood.
“I’m not a serial killer.”
A-ha! That’s exactly what a serial killer would say! Checkmate, you deviant!
Joking, of course. Congrats on staying clean since ‘90!
@@whatsthejokersname lmao! Thanks man (and it probably IS what a serial killer would say haha)
This video does not add anything new to long-existing, highly perceptive, articulate assessments and discussions, over many decades, about Kemper. And especially by those who've done extensive homework based on valid, legitimate, reliable primary resources. Nor is there any insight here.
But, within the scope of this video, insight content isn't necessary. The clinical overview of Kemper is its objective, and it is presented well. It also distinguishes itself for its responsible tone. Its complete lack of sensationalism is responsible, refreshing, and welcome. For those who are new to Kemper's case, I hope this video will be the first one that they come across, or at least subsequent to the recorded interviews they may see of Kemper.
This video is a vital source of clinically-based information to the public, and by a credible professional. Something very much needed in the RUclips sphere, in this subject area. It is therefore a genuine public service. Kudos.
Really interesting video, thank you Doctor. In this case I struggle with what would the actual personality of the mother be because we only have his infos. It's important because it would allow to understand what their relationship really was...
This is just an anecdotal observation, but I've noticed that girls who are abused will internalize their ''worthlessness,'' whereas males will usually act out. While the mother deserves blame for using him as the ''whipping boy'' for all of her inadequacies, Kemper's father deserves equal disdain for abandoning him into the custody of this man-hating, sadistic witch. I usually come down on the side of nature, but in Kemper's case, I think nurture (or the lack thereof) was the tipping point.When it comes to child abuse, it is not uncommon for one child to be singled out while the other children in the family get a pass.
I was waiting for this video for a long time! Nice
I watched the "Kemper on Kemper" documentary the other night. The cops liked him, thought he was personable and a nice guy. I even thought to myself "he seems so nice and normal" (especially the scenes where he is recording the audio book). He is very intelligent, and clever....my gut tells me he cannot be trusted regardless of his outward friendliness and openness. The wheels are spinning inside that cauldron head of his.
Something you never want to hear your kid say: "Let's play electric chair"
He's intelligent enough to be a convincing actor. That being said, I do think many of the insights he has into his own behavior are largely genuine.
I watched a bunch of interviews on him. During one of the interviews, the interviewer asked him how he felt while he was committing the murders and Kemper went on to describe the actions he took during the murder and not how he felt. Maybe turning himself in fulfilled his need to be accepted,. Perhaps if he were caught he would be the bad kid/man his mom said he was. In the interviews he seems to be intelligent, and articulate explaining how his subconscious reactions to his youth manifested ultimately in murders.
Maybe he turned himself in because he knew he would have had no occasion to kill, as he’d be among men only!
You should be starring in the Netflix series Mindhunter 🤣
Bobby Murphy or serve as a consultant.
@Bobby Murphy, if Criminal Minds had Dr. Grande as a creative consultant in the creation of serial killer characters on the series, then maybe the show wouldn't have ended so badly.
Great series. To bad it was cancelled.
@@johnashley327 Really? I was waiting for second season. Damn.
@@natalielambert4378 There were only 2 seasons. Last thing I heard it was cancelled. Now I'm hearing there may be a season 3.
I watched him in a interview (kemper). The IQ numbers you shared make sense. He is extremely articulate and I thought intelligent. Thanks for sharing that information. Amazing one could be so smart however...the disease they have does not consider their intelligence. A very disturbed man.
He was robbed by his own mother! Who hated him.
That anyone would consider murder as a possibility of a crisis resolved is highly disturbing.
I find Ed Kemper the most interesting of all the famous serial killers, because when you watch his interviews he's clearly a very smart man and comes off very likable, well outside the killings of course.
I thought I knew a lot about Kemper but Dr Grande took me to class once again!Love this one!💜
Can you do an analysis of serial killer Albert Fish perhaps?
Ok
Is he the one that put nails in himself and his child victims? So many sick people in the world, it's tough to keep up.
@@arianaajbeaverhausen8175 O JEEZ........Hey ...Thanks Dr. Grande...for keeping one believing in Integrity!....xx
@@arianaajbeaverhausen8175 yep he was one nasty piece of work for sure
Fish was deranged and a simpleton.
Dr Grande, I see you talking on these videos about serial or convicted high profile killers or even the ones about conspiracy theories and I don't know how you do it. How do you get through the whole video without getting sidetracked with a case of the giggles or any or reaction any one of us here watching would have? I try to be respectful and open minded in all parts of my life but I see areas where a person can get caught off guard, so to speak. You run a right ship there. I'm glad.
Great video! You always have the best analysis and make a lot of sense.
It's funny that the suggested video right after this one is "10 Signs of a Mother With Narcissistic Traits."
@@sinmore11 what? Where do you get that?
@@sinmore11 If you despise these types of males you can do your part by not producing any . Take responsibility and don't trash humanity's shared gene pool with more alcoholics , criminals and mental defectives who often suffer the most .
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One of the reasons I think Ed turned himself in, he knew he was gonna get caught so the narcissist in him maybe played a part in him turning himself in, instead of being caught. He had to be in control, if you watch his interviews this man is easily one of the most dangerous serial killers from the 70s.
That doesn’t even make sense.. the narcissist in him came from his mother, and if he was so “narcissistic” than he would of kept killing to be in “control” your not in control by going to jail. Make sense of that for me!
I watched your video on narcissist. Kinda kicked my butt a bit. I didn’t like what I was hearing but it needed to be heard so.....thanks. I’m working on it. I’m now a subscriber.
"He's not getting out"....love it..." no matter how long he lives".
Shout out to the actor who played Kemper on Mindhunter on Netflix. He was so good, I was enthralled by his "stories" and he's not even the real Ed Kemper.
Thank you for creating this fascinating look at Edmund Kemper. I first read of his case last year and was particularly interested in how clear the dysfunction seemed in the mother son relationship. It's sort of the classic example, reminding me of the film "Psycho," and how serial murderers came to be viewed.
You spoke of how his rage did not go away after having murdered his mother, and that hadn't struck me before.
Idk how accurate this is, but I had read that he buried one of the victim's heads right outside his mother's bedroom window as if the head were looking at her. Creepy.
May the dear victims and their loved ones have peace. 🌼
Edit: Your video on Ted Bundy was excellent, btw, and I subscribed right after viewing!
He said he did that because she liked it when people looked up to her.
@@dlbstl Thank you for reminding me of this.😖 That's a really morbid way to mock someone.
*There are people like Kemper. They may be good people, have skills and a bright future, but anger and frustration turn to pure sociopathy, he couldn't forget his tragic past. He became a bigger monster than his mother.*
that;s what happens to everyone subjected to that kind of abuse, which is why the CIA refined it in their project monarch. Nothing unusual about Ed. We'd all turn out like that if subjected to those stresses
Dr. Grande, your insights are amazing, and I really enjoy these narratives about the serial killers. Thank you so much for taking time to do these videos. I'm a mental patient myself, and although I don't know you I think I could actually trust you as a counselor. Keep up the great work. Cheers!
Fascinating. Many thanks. Your productivity is impressive.
I find him interesting as he’s clearly self reflective, even calls his actions ‘pathetic’, and allegedly killed a small fraction of the 1000 hitchhikers he picked up over years.
If he’s honest, the last two he fought himself not to kill (and didn’t); he’s said it made him realise this must end, and made up his mind to kill his mother.
Self reflective or not, this is clearly a very dangerous man; it’s wild he got 7 years (to life), to be served concurrently.
It’s interesting only as perhaps these extremes in human behaviour may be insightful - but who knows?
He’s a serial killer, and anyone trusting him is showing themselves to be ridiculously naïve.
I love the way you outline your information in these videos. Thank you for such interesting, albeit disturbing, content!
What's up with California law enforcement serial killers? I would love to hear an analysis of the Golden State Killer. I was absolutely enthralled by the podcast, "Man in the Window".
It´s quite puzzling how these antisocial criminals completely desregard their victim´s feelings but some of them get emotional and even cry when they talk about their own problems and needs. I´ve seen this in Ed Kemper and Casey Anthony, they show great compassion and simpathy just for themselves
Cruel mother, sister and grandmother...He was definitely effed by nurture, and probably by nature too
Who said his mother, sister, and grandmother were abusive?
@@kevin6293 Kemper
@@loomiininanis6469, exactly.
@@kevin6293 Kemper not lying about it
@@loomiininanis6469 idiot.
Went back in time a bit here 4 some reason been watching Kemper videos again & just an incredible analysis Dr G!!!! Thanx$
I always get reminded of that quote from Lundy Bancroft when the abusive man is like 'by hitting her I was hitting my mother!' and he's like 'no, you were hitting her'.
Sorry! Hit send! In summation of Kemper, I think we don’t know the level of social bullying he got, and that was it! As always, thank you for all your hard work!
This was a good one, brought those days right back! Kemper WAS the reason parents warned us about hitchhiking!
Best Wishes!
Thank you for doing my request of Ed Kemper Dr. Grande. Its the second time you have done a request of mine..You are the real deal. Kemper safely took girls to their destinations to test himself to not kill them. He did this after he had murdered some girls, I find that especially strange behavior.
Rull Mourn He was very manipulative, do you suppose this gave him a god like feeling? Or perhaps he was testing himself to see if he could stay in control?
I don't find it particularly strange. Its like a recovering alcoholic who wants to test themselves to see if they can be around drinkers without actually drinking alcohol themselves
@@chunkyMunky329 That could well be it!
@@debrajones7344 I think he was really testing himself, thats what he says anyway and he sounds very sincere about it. he said he was trying to cure himself.
@@chunkyMunky329 ..i think it strange bc ive never heard of any other SK do this.
Hi Dr Grande. Thanks for yet another great and well-informed analysis. I wonder if you might have time to look into the Lindbergh case?
I don't think I've said happy new year to you yet Doctor. All the best for you and your loved ones in 2020 from Edinburgh! Lang may yer lums reek! (Scottish for, "long may your chimneys smoke" lol) 💙🏴💙
Hahahahahahaha hubby said the SAME
That's awesome. :0)
I am a RUclips creator. Hey Todd I have a video idea for you. How about the psychological effects on making and watching YTube videos. Examples such as the pressure to produce content, dealing with the good and bad criticism of the content, the consequences of making videos effecting other peoples lives....etc. Not many of us YTubers live here in Delaware.😉
Ozzstar my niece is a popular youtuber as well. She works very hard to put out quality content consistently. It’s a real topic of discussion for her. Good thing she is creative, willing to try and absolutely adored by her subs.
Great idea, Ozzstar. It seems so easy huh, running a RUclips channel. Meanwhile there are lots of potential stressors.
Sounds really boring.
I get so self-conscious on camera I can barely stand it. I try to produce content to overcome anxiety, encourage others, and to promote my upcoming album.
5:25 "She berated him for failing to reach a sufficient level of social level".
It was not about what he could have achieved in the mental facility, but the fact he went there and was troublesome. She was college-educated, she was displeased with Edmund II (Ed's father) and his level of education. She thought her son didn't deserve the studious, ambitious college girls. It's pretty obvious she wanted her son to be educated, to attend university, but at the age of 21 he wasn't on his way to becoming a college professor, was three years behind others, and he got a menial job.
Thanks! I actually met him. He gave me a lift in his car! Said he only killed "pretty ones." I have never been so grateful to be funny looking!
Only liked pretty ones she said...yes u looked like the backside of his balls!
The Netflix series Mindhunter has a chilling scene w/Ed Kemper and the profiler. The actor playing EK was really good and even looked a lot like him.
"They're tendencies that we tend to see" lol that just caught my ear
Can you make a video about the effects of cruelty from parents towards their children? How badly does this mess them up?
As a mother, I get so sick and tired of EVERYTHING being blamed on the mother ( Ted Bundy,
Adam Lanza, etc.)
For the most part, most mothers do the best that they can, AND mothers stay when others(fathers)
leave.
@@bebe553 mother’s issues lead to men growing up to be violent against women.
@@bebe553 first of all staying doesn't make a woman a good parent. Some women have used their kids to get funding from the government, keep a man and to take their rage out on. There are millions of mother's in this world. What the hell makes you think being a mother automatically equates to being a good person and parent?
@@bebe553 keyword "most" from what's been said about the abuse ed endured as a child from his mother would you deny that it had any effect on who he became
@@idonhaveanyideawhattocallm1472
Of course it had an effect on him, I am not denying that.
What I am saying is that mothers' unfairly get blamed for what their children become, especially when they turn out to be MONSTERS.
How about the fathers, society, a child's own choices and decisions?
If you study Kemper, you get the impression (from him) that his spree ended after the death of his mother - (to him) the source of his problem.
Talacocheta My understanding of Kemper is that he doesn’t wish to be released which seems, in part, why he did not attend his parole hearings.
Talacocheta: We’ll if he remains in prison it doesn’t matter what he said he (whatever). Today he’s confined to a wheelchair and is overweight. He’ll likely die soon.
Your videos really amaze me!! So fascinating !! Thanks Dr Grande :)
I go back on vacation and I find this jewel. thank you very much Dr. Grande. Now I have something to discuss with my postgraduate partners!. Very interesting that after killing his mother he killed her friend and like what he says in his interviews that his anger ended by killing his mother can be a strategy. To say something negative it would have been better if the video was longer (something I think of all your videos). greetings from Spain.
I like these breakdowns so much ... so illuminating. And what a case ...
He is one of my "favorite" serial killers as his crimes are so brutal but he had turned himself in after his rampage was over.
Watching Ed Kemper break down and give insight into Ed Kemper's crimes is the most disassociated thing to watch. He literally has a "yin-yang" analysis of his own actions. Like he's watching his life as a movie and he is narrarating.
His life IS a movie THO!? And he is him (Ed Kemper) so he should be the one saying HIS story no!? Am I missing your whack interpretation Brad?
Don’t reproduce
His mother always wanted him to get ahead in life. So he got hers.
I’ll show myself out.
I did not know about him. Had to read a bit before watching this. Excellent video.
I also think Kemper has stirred so much interest because he's very articulate and in some ways appears to be aware of his own foibles, that being said, it also makes him a much better liar as Dr. Grande said. Kemper was never safe to go back into society, although he did have some moral standards. Now that he's had a stroke, he might be a bit safer to be around in general, but I wouldn't want to be his caretaker.
Very interesting presentation of Ed Kemper. However I would have like to hear a wee bit more about his dynamic with his sister, and why he express violence towards her for a while and not towards the mother at the same time.
Dr Grande.....have you done a discussion on Russell Williams. I’d love to hear your take on that guy.
I think the lack of attention from the matriach figure of the family made him feel low self-worth and it resulted in him feeling he was not deserving of love from the opposite sex. I remember a quote from a retired FBI profiler, he said genetics loads the gun and environmental factors pulls the trigger. Had the circumstances been different, I think he would still have some psychopathic traits but he might not have offended because not all psychopathic people commit crimes, some can use these to their advantage and get to a high social position.
Monsters are not born, they are formed.
Meh his mom and him prob both pychopaths so it was constant fighting to one up an hurt each other
Of course Dr. grande comes through again with another great analysis I’m really interested in watching this for he is so open and he turned himself in it’s a very unusual case, Not to mention him being released after the grandparents it’s so unusual
My birth mom was also a teacher. (3rd grade) and everyone loved her. Thought she was great. But at home she was extremely abusive. A functional alcoholic. A diagnosed Narcissist. Most likely bipolar from all therapists and court psychiatrists, but refused to get help. Also suffered from depression. She was highly manipulative. Especially in legal systems. She was very good at "pulling the wool over people's eyes" so to speak. I really don't think it's all that strange that Ed's mother is thought of nice by collègues and not by kind at all to family aka people who she finds below her.
It took me as a fourteen year old to document photos. Videos. Audio recordings. And detailed notes throughout my life with her to get assigned a guardian ad litem and was able to get my dad full custody of us. For the truth to finally come to light.
same, but my mother have bpd. But also a high fuctional alcoholic, very abusive.
Hmm, there are a few things off with this one. Kemper himself has been interviewed and talks about some of this and states that once he killed his mother, his interest/need to continue to kill was not really there. He implied that all of the murders leading up to hers were substitutes for her. He says "I hated my mother, but I wanted to love my mother." It is also said in this video that Kemper's mother was a pretty awful and abusive person; however, on what basis are we saying this? If it is based on what Kemper said, that is not reliable. Kemper has said that he killed the women out of his frustration around women; not sexual impotence, but awkwardness, he says that he had NO idea how to converse with women at all. It is obvious when he speaks that he is extremely articulate and intelligent, he even has a wry sarcasm about his acts. He even (although, admittedly, he could have been acting) cries about the murder of his mother and expresses regret for having done it. It was he who turned himself in afterwards. The night he murdered her, he came in to her bedroom to talk to her about something and she got irritated, threw down her book and said "Oh, I suppose you're going to want to talk about etc etc" and his feelings were hurt and he said "No, no I don't need to talk" and then went to his room, simmering. He waited until she fell asleep, and then took a hammer of some kind - the worst kind of hammer, the most damaging kind, if I remember correctly - and beat her head in with it. He then cut off her head and had sex with her corpse. He took out her vocal chords and put them down the kitchen disposal because he was so tired of hearing her yell at him. Cutting off his victim's heads and having sex with the corpses was common for Kemper. No doubt, his crimes were gruesome, yet he is a fascinating study. He is massive in size and if you google him, the comparison in size to other men is incredible. He could kill you with his body size alone. What I noticed is that the interviews in 1984 and then in 1991 or whenever they are differ dramatically - in the latter videos Kemper is much heavier, gained a lot of weight, is much sloppier, appears to have picked up some strange physical gestures. Anyway, google Kemper himself if you want to know what Kemper felt or thought. His videos are on here. I do agree that he is no doubt still dangerous today, even with his mother dead, I think the danger remains, even if he thought it subsided when he killed her back in the early 70s.
it is interesting that somehow Kemper's mother is defined by Kemper who as Dr. Grande says, is known to be a liar. Kemper's mother was known to be a good co-worker. perhaps Kemper's mother did the best she could given her son is a psychopath OR maybe she was as horrible as HE says. the fact remains that his experience is common for many but seldom leads to such behavior.
Kids aren’t just phsychopaths cut that BS! His mother made him this way by not loving him and respecting him. That’s all Ed needed ! Everyman needs love and respect from his mother! You would not be the same person if your mom locked you in the basement cause she didn’t trust you and thought you’d rape your sisters or something. And your own sisters treat you like a caged animal !! This would ruin a mans in the most vulnerable of ways