TOUGH Material: Machining NITRONIC 60
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- CNC Machining Nitronic 60 and showing you that it can be done with the right processes and tools.
00:00 What is Nitronic 60
01:58 Setting Up the PUMA TT2100SYYB
02:58 Op 1
07:10 Cutting Part Off and Op 1 Breakdown
08:27 Op 2
11:36 Checking Tolerances
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I said Silicone. I meant Silicon. My bad. Just a heads up so the roasting can stop 😂!Appreciate the accountability; you guys don’t miss a thing!
You got mad skills. Not an easy part to make.
Hahaha I just assumed it was murica speak
We got you, no worries and thank you!
No U didn't
EmPHAsis changes everything lol
I’ve machined quite of bit of Nitronic 60. I have a new project with a new customer and they have their own proprietary material. All they will really tell me is it’s made up of a lot of Cobalt. Knowing how carbide inserts are made using cobalt as a binder I have decided to tackle the job with ceramic. I have machined some stellite back a decade or so ago and comparing the job to it.
I’m in a large aerospace shop but the cobalt job is a automotive project. Just thought I would share.
Love it… cobalt is definitely hard to machine but in the case of comparing Inconel to Monel … the presence of cobalt in the Inconel makes it easier to machine because sometimes hard materials allow you to break a chip better… compared to Monel that basically replaces cobalt with copper which is more abrasive and gummy etc.
Ceramics is a great choice.
Have a great day,
Titan
Travis, I don't care what the rest say about you. You ok in my book brother. Love how you guys open the book on recipes and for that I am grateful. Much love and gratitude as always.
😂 Thanks brother. Always appreciate the support!
One of our refinery customers use Nitronic 60 all the time as a valve trim material. Now I understand some of the reasons it's so bloody expensive.
I worked with Nitronic 60 machining components for surgical tooling. It was one of my favorite materials to machine. Once the tooling was dialed in, the parts ran smoothly with little interruption for further adjustment (in my experience). I had to maintain a tolerance of 0.0002 with it.
I worked in a job shop 35 years ago and we had some 16 foot diameter rings for a dam control valve in the shop of that alloy. It was nasty to work with back then, we didn't have inserts or solid carbide tooling to use. Plus that stuff work hardens like crazy.
Anything stainless can be a headache to a machine, especially with suspect tooling. Thanks for sharing this video.
Awesome work! Loved seeing the inspection process! Would be great to see more content about the quality control equipment you guys use. Just starting out on our CMM and I would love some videos about tips and best practices!
Your level of Machining detail is awesome. The professional video production wins my Subscribe. I will have my sales team at 'High Performance Alloys' reference your RUclips channel when they are asked about machining Nitronic. Well done!
Thanks David! We appreciate that.
You know Titan these Videos are like Hollywood Oscar Contenders............ they are just that good ! You sure get my attention in the mornings,... nice work !
Nitronic 60 is probably one of the most interesting materials I’ve machined. Pretty cool to be able to take a small pin of nitronic 60 and bend it repeatedly and it will not break, it will get so hot it smokes without breaking
Travis, great job on that part and explaining everything. You make a great teacher. I even learned something I never knew....that there are different types of stainless steel, then again I may not be involved in this field of work but it is still a great opportunity with this channel to learn something new.
I love seeing the detail you guys put into your videos. I’m starting to wish I had more machinists experience. All I have is my manual lathe at our family transmission auto shop. 🙂🇺🇸
Nitoronic 60 is definitely my favorite alloy to machine
Me too. Always comes out looking great.
nitronic 50 HS >
Amazing and beautiful Video!
Besides getting to know Nitronic 60 as a material, which I haven't heard before,
I really like the style of the Videos with checking the print, talking about we process it that way and the measuring by Hand, as well as on the CMM.
Along with Travis expertise, the editing of the video is also on point...
You're really doing a great job at Titans of CNC!
Thanks brother! Really appreciate that.
That is one shiny piece of material! Travis is a surface finish Wizard!
Shop cop cutting some nitronic 60!! Love to see it and great job Travis 💯
Sometimes an officer has to come back to the field to solve that cold steel case
If we are going to enforce the law, we have to live the law!
Nitronic 60 is good stuff, we use it a ton in the O&G industry for bushings and even as bolting under the SA-193-B8S spec in places where galling has been a historical issue. Galling isn't a wear issue, it is a form of cold welding where to like materials basically decide to become a single item with nothing more than a little pressure. The 304 spec bolting such as SA-193-B8 is well known for this issue in the O&G industry, this bolting requires the use of nickel anti seize to prevent galling on installation as even hand tight snugging of these bolts can be enough if dry.
That said, super tight tolerances are more a sign of inexperienced engineers than actual need.
I did n90 once. Very interesting material. Love the channel
That would be NIMONIC 90, right? Because NITRONIC 90 doesn't exist. And yes, that age-hardenjng nickel-cobalt alloy isn't for the faint of hearts.
Man I wish I could show you guys the part I just machined out of nitronic 60 but it's under CUI. There was a 5.5" deep pocket that we had to mill the corners out with a 7/16" emc and it had a .002" surface profile. It was crazy.
Great quality video, nice work. The material composition description was really informative. Machinability of nitronic 60 does like to work harden, so pushing the feed and slowing rpms helps optimize tool life imo.
I designed a number of parts using Nitronic 60 due to higher yield strength for a non-magnetic austenitic material in the late 1970s and thru 80s. It has been used in oilfield MWD tools due to non-magnetic properties for many years.
Your editing team really did a good job on this video, ngl.
The music is obnoxious, ngl.
I cut some strength hardened Nitronic 50 this past week. That’s crazy. It was definitely a challenge. Maybe I should’ve added that as my first thing on Cnc expert 🤔
Do it!
Great video. Very informative.
Love the chuck on that lathe.
Dude's so cool I would give him nice parts to produce 👍
Wait, at 10 min, is the cameraman on top of the machine hanging the camera down inside the machine? That is a trick shot!
Even cooler. My man Adam was in the machine balancing on that inclined surface. Gotta get the shot!
You got to get the shot 😂😎
@@adamhayes2528 Way to go! It's a great angle!
Great work on the cinema,
Great team.
Superb work.
Great video, thanks.
Thank you!
Great video Travis. And kudos to the editors.
Absolutely killer video, great stuff Travis!
Great Video, love the style and details. Thanks a lot.
Appreciate that my friend!
It reminds me of something we call 1.4462 or even 904L here in Europe
Although the chemistry of the major Nitronic alloys and 904L (both of which we've poured at the foundry where I work) are quite different, the end result is the same...they are a challenge to machine.
A company I worked for used what I was told was a proprietary grade of that duplex stainless and was called 1.4462-A2. I never machined it, but did have to retap holes in the field occasionally, that was difficult enough. The funny part, the scrap yard would only give the company mild steel scrap prices for those parts because they were magnetic, wouldn’t take their word it was stainless.
@@mikeb1520I feel bad for whomever was buying what they thought was A36 steel and ended up getting 2205 instead...that's why we test all of our incoming scrap metal, which is how we found and rejected four barrels of mixed 304 stainless and resulfurized 303 stainless.
@@justinchamberlin4195 yes, that would be quite the surprise wouldn’t it!? This was 25-30 years ago, I don’t think they had the scanners back then to test it, but hopefully they are testing it now.
I made the mistake of making large Gauge pins in 300 stainless and using them in a 300 series stainless part. Never again. I switched to 17-4 H900
That and inconel were two of my favorite to run on lathe. Rarely ran mild steel in 5 yrs at one job shop. Mori seiki live tooling.
I’ve made a few parts out of it. Cuts like butter!
I bet all you Titans have your own gym,?, Your all stacked
Can you guys talk about what you do to fight rust. Tooling, fixturing etc etc. do you have chemical treatments, environmental control? It's a fight.
Great video…
How about some MP35N condition NACE
There has to be a clocking orientation between the small hole you drilled in the thread relief in OP#1 and the radial hole pattern you drilled in OP#2. How did you fixture that to maintain proper orientation? Inquiring minds want to know.
I do nitronic 60 often and for me step one is get my coolant concentration over 12
Waiting for a Haynes 282 video! Love seeing the unique metals
Haynes 605L very bad 😢
cool video edit
I like to machine aluminum because my lathe has 20thou of slop in the tool holder and usually if I try anything harder like brass or steel it goes horribly.
For reference I use harbor freight carbide inserts and for my speeds and feeds I run them about whatever the motor can handle before stalling.
I have a round billet of NI50 that I tried to cut with an M2 HSS bandsaw blade. In ten seconds the teeth on that blade were gone.
A little question... So, basically you don't need any preliminary center drills even for smallest vertical holes, if you are using carbide drills? Cuz at our workshop we are using HSS drills, and they require center drill for verical holes pretty bad, otherwise it just bends to the side.
Saw you guys have partnered with SolidCAM recently.
Will you guys be doing some training videos on SolidCAM?
Yes, Solidcam had the best solution for Swiss. We tried all and made the decision. Discussing in Tuesdays video.
@@TITANSofCNC looking forward to it!!
@TITANSofCNC if it doesn't cause problems for you and your relationships, it would be amazing to see the differences between Mastercam dynamic milling and SolidCAM dynamic milling performance-wise.
@@edatp9a I would have thought that they would be only using the Swiss CAM side of the software instead of the Milling to avoid relationship issues?
Would be nice to see a comparison though or just a pure teaching side with no comparisons of the whole software package. They did that with fusion.
hey out of curiosity what kind of tool life can you get running those speeds, I'm especially curious about the CNMG I worked in a shop for a little while and mostly ran N50 with CNMG walther WSM10 which lasted maybe 12 minutes if you were lucky, I wanna say the sfm was ~200 250 with .0125 IPR
You’re in the machine setting up inspecting with the eye protection sitting up top, but you bring them down after you close the door to start the op.
If worried about the burr from the drill, why not drill it after roughing out ? I know how painful those burrs can be in s316 and i'm mostly using hsse drills.
just did nitronic 50
The intro is like top badass rap ever :-D
I'd honestly move datum A to the flange face, set not parallelism of opposite face but perpindicularity of thread axis and start machining from flange end as well, must result in single operation too. Also makes more sense from assembly point and eases contol too
Just curious. I seen red wax on the gage for the thread. I've always seen green for go. Red for no go. You guys do it differently? Part looks good tho. Beautiful finish
It is usually green for go and red for no go but for some reason the go was red on this particular gauge. I found it odd too.
Just noticed you were using a red no-go gage on the part and had full engagement to the shoulder. Green represents go red is no-go so there are no mistakes here.
In my shop we expect our guys to be competent enough to be able to not only read the gauges but double check them. The wax is only there to know if the gauge has been adjusted and to protect the locking screw. We only use red wax for this purpose because of cost/availability, and we expect our guys to be actually reading the gauges. Besides outside of the grooved no go, you only se colored gauges on amazon and banggood. Those are all Chinesium trash and if you use them, well....
I machined a lot of that material 20 years ago.
Is breaking a chip difficult? is that a trade off for the high SFM? Looks great though, I do love how well stainless turns.
Yes I've heard of Nitronic 60. I politely decline your invitation to machine it. Been there done that.
whats the purpose of those slots in the thread gauge? first time I see a filthy machine on this channel btw.. 😄
What cmm program you using? I'm stuck with pcdmis at my job 🙃
What is the Rockwell C hardness of Nitronic 60?
Hey guys i have a question i want to start in this world of cnc machines what you guys recommend, trade school or find online classes if is online classes where you think is the best?
Great question! Check out TITANS of CNC Academy. It'll give you access to free CAD/CAM tutorials, machining tutorials, and other CNC fundamentals. academy.titansofcnc.com/
@@Sara-TOC wao thanks alot
2 questions for you guys. Would you be able to comment on the videos what the parts you are machining are for? And could you have a collab video with Kennametal to show how those inserted are made? Thanks in advance.
use pie jaws on the sub, you could easily transfer that part to the sub.
Nitronic 60 was annealed or cold worked? How you were sure?
That 304 is a pain in the ........
Friend who made bolt and nut of 304 just tried to see or fit was " loose" enough as nut was welded onto some other part : DANG ...seized the 2th turn......took him afternoon with all kinds of lubes getting it out again......
nimonic 263, stellite 25 or ultimet next?
AH! Good ol' ARMCO NITRONIC 60! Or UNS S21800. Amazing stuff, and I happen to know what makes it tick (lots of manganese and lots of silicon have something to do with it)
Yes indeed, the manganese, silicon, and nitrogen all have a huge role to play in the galling resistance of Nitronic alloys. The last foundry I worked for had a customer switch from an even more bizarre alloy (CY5SnBiM, also known as Waukesha Metal 88 or Illium 8, which is nickel-based with significant amounts of chromium, molybdenum, tin, and bismuth) to Nitronic 60 because the performance vs. price of Nitronic was actually better than what they could get from the Illium 8 we were providing.
@@justinchamberlin4195 Waukeshaw 88 has a big problem right now in the food-contact equipment business, due to new EU regulations on stuff leeching out. The low melting bismuth/tin content in 88 is going to be problematic, so it makes sense from another perspective too.
Magic word, for all metallurgists out there, is that NITRONIC 60 has a very low SFE, or stacking fault energy, which makes it really susceptible to cold work hardening. The rest of its properties follow from that. Galling resistance, wear resistance, cavitation erosion resistance, and so on.
@@Hydrazine1000Issues with difficulty of repairing casting defects in Illium 8 was the #1 reason the customer switched, but I'm willing to bet the changing EU regs on food-contact materials was up there as well. Both of these are reasons that there are two, perhaps three, companies in the world that make WM88/Illium 8 and it is an ever-shrinking part of their business.
@@Hydrazine1000Issues with difficulty of repairing casting defects in Illium 8 was the #1 reason the customer switched, but I'm willing to bet the changing EU regs on food-contact materials was up there as well. Both of these are reasons that there are two, perhaps three, companies in the world that make WM88/Illium 8 and it is an ever-shrinking part of their business.
@@justinchamberlin4195Some more background info: nitrogen increases its strength, like it does for quite a few other stainless steel grades. Silicon increases its high temperature oxidation resistance. Manganese dramatically lowers its stacking fault energy, making it really susceptible to cold work hardening, helping its resistance to galling, fretting, wear and cavitation erosion. It really was an incredible development by ARMCO Baltimore, back in the sixties.
What's with the barry chatter on the chamfers? Lol jk, seriously though, you chose to interpolate those moving the spindle and the turret together correct? Is that just how that material is? Or was ur cutter dull or speeds needed a tweak? Or am I blind and way off base. Here to learn, not just give u guff sir. Thank you kindly! I usually get that when hand chamfering 303 or 304 with a chamfer mill in a DeWalt drill.
I would give my eye teeth to work in a metrology lab that had that kind of equipment.
it looked like the No-Go gauge to check the threads was the wrong gauge.
i always have to google for the ISO marking just know what material your talking abt😂 (im from eu)
What would be the cost of a part like that
9:48 what? You skimmed the face, removed the part to gauge the length, then chucked it back up and faced it to length + - .001? How did that work? I mean, can you hold .001 when you remove the part and then chuck it back up?
Yeah it worked well. If I was +/- a few tenths then I might have worked something to check in the machine but this setup that length perfectly.
Dang, lots of $$$ equipment there! Wonder what the part cost to make...
I don't get why you couldn't use a transfer and part off. If the equipment and set up are good and the program to pick up and transfer from the sub spindle are good go for it. Seem like wasted time for 2 ops without out a transfer for one op. That's my Thinking on capable programming. Chucking or dead length collets.
Checking your own part? Ooofff... :)
True, but If a business so new has but a one man crew and a slew of inspections due…
Have you got Guy Ritchie making you vid now Titan?
3:33 forgot to say that chips were terrible
I cut this shit a lot it looks nice and it’s easier to work than something like brinell or Rockwell
I cut ti-alumide gamma 6
Wait this isn’t Jimmy’s world?
anyone compare this to 4140?
FYI silicon is the stuff chips are made out of, silicone is the rubber material.
Yeah, what he said. No E on the end of silicon.
so that stuff is cast in small batches inside of a plasma sphere that microwaves nitrogen atoms and used electro magnets to condense the plasma around the powdered material out of the chemistry flask? ... same as casting dirty rot iron 🤣😐😵💫 does it get a tungsten cladding in and out?
off to be x-rayed
the muffler on my car is 204 stainless, very thin and a pain to weld with 3/32 E7014... but that one time i slid into a curb over ice at 5mph "crunch"... i though the rim would have cracked... its a 5 ton boat anchor now. 309 doesn't need back purging to weld
Silicon not silicone. Big difference.
True story. Good catch my friend.
Looks similar to S.A.F, 316, stainless,a different beast all together, looks ok till u machine it
Nitronic 50 HIgh strength, much more fun 😂
looks like chatter on the hole chamfers... may be wrong though
Get coromant tools
Intronic isn't difficult done it a bunch
304s are easiest to drill, but don't leave behind any cutting fluid or you'll be stuck with 18 yrs of child support.
Please stop saying pressure, its force
so, not a good knife making steel. you need something more towards the martensitic steels.
Correct, try Stellite 6BH for corrosion and wear for a knife past the martensitic grades. Nitronic 60 is for when you need corrosion protection, strength and there is metal to metal movement with no oil lubricant. Like valves, pins, fasteners or outer space parts.
If the stupid obnoxious music wasn't in the video it would be a 10/10. I don't come here for music. I come here for machining.
Stuff is butter compared to 13-8 H1000. Rockwell 45+. FML.
PH 13-8 Mo can be worse. Try the RH950 condition instead of H1000 and see what happens.
The tricky thing with NITRONIC 60 is that it work hardens like mad. (And that is its main selling point: the work hardening at metal-on-metal contact points increases its wear and galling resistance.)