Apple Intelligence NOT Coming to the iPhone 15! Is Apple FAILING to Support Current iPhones?
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- TEAM SGG PATREON / somegadgetguy Apple fans on Threads are CORRECT! Apple not bringing LLM features to current iPhones and iPads is NOT an indication that Apple is failing to support their products! So why did we think this was a problem when Google did something similar with Gemini?
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A certain Mr boss channel crucified Google for saying pixels needed more ram but it's been crickets when it comes to apple
Funny that. Strange how criticism only seems to flow in CERTAIN directions...
Lol, that same guy who made a Friends skit just to mock Sony's current smartphone naming and complained about LG's "inconsistent" naming scheme when Chinese brands are doing the exact same thing. Whoever followed his channel are absolute dumbos.
Unfollowed that guy long ago.... It's quite egregious by now
Actually it wasn't even a bait. It is simply true that 8 month old devices are not supported as far as this most important feature set is concerned. This is a fact, no matter what the reason for it is ... they are simply not supported. I love the 24 GB RAM example of OnePlus.❤ Another aspect: Apple and the sheeps repeat that Apple has been working on AI features for years, and that they are not following others such as Samsung. But this leaves us with two options only: either Apple is lying (which is the actual option), or Apple did equip the devices with less memory intentionally to milk their buyers even more (which would be even the worse option).
It's like folks need to believe that Apple just came up with this AI idea in the last six months, and they aren't working a timeline 2-3 years out.
But also, the DOJ case against Apple DIRECTLY references Apple executive messages about how they're deliberately trying to slow improvements on their products. Gotta force those trade in deals somehow...
Or just choose the reality.. A16 is almost a 2 year old chip, which means designed nearly 3 years ago.. so way before the AI crap.. and if you add that their on device AI use 4,2GB memory, and they already stopped support the 2GB models (iPhone 8) with their newest iOS.. so if the OS minimum requirements is 4GB, and you add 4GB for AI model, you get the min requirements of 8GB.. if you can run the 4GB on device AI model on 6GB device, that means without the 4GB AI model the OS capable to run on 2GB RAM too.. and no, it's not running on 2-3GB (iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus) models..
But this suden RAM requirements jump is a rare case.. they also gived upgrades for their 2GB models for 8 years (2015 iPhone 6s still got the iOS 15.8 what released with the iOS 17.1, and the diff between 2015 Sept and 2023 Oct is more than 8 years.. you still get the OS update, it's only one part of that won't work.. btw half of the users asking how they can turn off the AI, so not everyone will be unhappy if they don't get the AI..)
Definitely agree that there is massive double standards in the tech press. And ironically Google is rolling out Gemini to everyone at the same time that Apple is limiting it to select devices.
Is it a RAM issue or genuinely the fact that the current chips don’t have the necessary LLM cores required? Or both. Either way they could give everyone OpenAI at least. But I think they’ll take it slow instead because it’s a privacy minefield.
As far as I can tell, unpacking a model like Gemini on ONLY 8GB of RAM can cause issues supporting the OS and UI.
Someone more knowledgeable than I will have to confirm that, but I don't believe there are significant NPU differences between the 8 and 8 Pro.
When you are concerned about privacy, you shouldn't use OpenAI in the cloud, period. Apple is just talking BS about protecting your privacy. Did you know that those "suggestions" in the App Store, are probably mostly personalised adds? And a company pretending to protect your privacy, should never analyse your pictures or sell personalised adds.
@@LivingLinuxthank you for sharing this. I've been thinking, if they have an LLM, either they bought it from Facebook or OpenAI or whatever, or they trained it on their own dataset. If the former, then definitely the datasets contain lots of private and copyrighted data. If Apple trained the LLM, then what is Apple's dataset, one wonders...
Man, I missed that. I don't know why I got into Threads this week. I would've been laughing a lot.
I can't thank you enough for giving me a big reason why I'm not as crazy about getting the 24GB version of the OnePlus 12. Every friend asks me "Why do need that much RAM in a phone?" when the phone does the cool things it does without needing a server. And if it had a desktop mode? Bye, laptop.
It's so frustrating right? Put 24GB on a Galaxy and watch tech "journalist" shrug, but write stories about how the performance will improve "even if it is overkill".
Any other brand?
iZ tHiz uH GIMIK?!?!?!
Apple Intelligence is just AI with apple branding.
Yep. They relied on Google’s TPUs to train their models and integrate with OpenAI’s ChatGPT. Both great innovators in the AI space. Then they rebrand as “Apple Intelligence” and everyone gets a wet dream like AI is suddenly a thing!
Apple sheep are the worst
They are seriously in a cult 😅
No worse than pixel users who think they're avante guard users on the worst hardware
@@kenmastersmasterBut just like any other Android phones, you can always give second life with custom ROM. Best of luck doing it with iPhones.
@@Jo5ue1 I don't understand what games have to do with pixels vastly inferior hardware. They are 2-3 years behind Qualcomm and Apple. You must be one of those Google apologists
I've said it to you before, and I'll likely say it again. Apple users are not "tech users". If anything, they represent the antithesis of tech in many ways. When talking about them the word "tech" shouldn't even be used in the same discussion.
Not a great argument. I will hand it to you that when most of my family have problems with their iPhones, they come to me even though I primarily use android, but they reason why they came to be is because I am the tech guy in the family and they have a tech problem. What you are saying is akin to saying people who eat McDonald's and love McDonald's are not "food" people, they are definitely eating food, aren't they?
I'm so tired of gate keepers making it a us versus them thing. Who cares if I use a galaxy s24 ultra and my mom uses a older iPhone 12 pro max. It's all tech that's helping us with our daily tasks. It's like you think these devices are fundamentally different. They are now just mediums for us connecting to the applications we use. So sick and tired of this mentality.
@@rc1707 First of all, you just did an exquisite job of getting shit wrong. But whatever, I'll just hand one thing back to you. Nobody excludes users of any type of "tech" as much as apple users tend to separate themselves from the rest of "tech".
Get it?
I literally know an apple user who is also a full time lead engineer at a multi-million dollar company...
You found a unicorn. @@divine6104
Talk about Apple's blind fanboys or iSheeps not all Apple users. Plenty of people use both Apple and non-Apple products side by side just to see how they compare. Like I have a Pixel along with an iPhone. I use Windows on desktop and Mac as laptop. Also have an iPad and I'm though not an expert or have some sort of degree still fairly technical
Ohhhhh i was waiting for this. I was just about to write "i know you're crafting bars..." To you on threads lol.
Yup! The only winning move was NOT to play 😅
What irks me is it was an Google employee that said that Gemini wasn't coming to older pixels and every tec site ran with it and complained.
I blame short-sighted influencers. One other argument they make is that Apple does it better and they don't mind not being the first. Influencers became echo chambers for Apple PR and marketing.
Yup. There's more money in bias confirmation.
AI aside, Siri is HORRENDOUSLY OUTDATED compared to its alternatives! It could more than likely be improved without the use of AI. Instead, anyone using anything below the most recent IPhone is stuck using a gimped version of Siri.
Great point and video! Have an iPhone 12 - for work... and I was surprised, yet not, how they excluded it from the new Ai features. Just how long has Apple been making their bionic chips that are perfectly capable for that kind of Ai? I bet their Ai features could work on iPhones as far back as the 12. Some of the Apple chipsets were ahead of the competition at the time anyway...
I find it dubious that Apple isn't keep a 3-4 year road map in mind. Things like 5G didn't seem to create the kind of buying/upgrade cycle I think executives were hoping for.
Time to separate more features from folks on older phones.
@@SomeGadgetGuy Exactly as I was thinking! I'm not an "Apple fan boy", btw. I like android more. I just like to appreciate the best of both tech worlds.
Competition is the only correct position to have.
Unfortunately, in tech "reviewer" land, we see how few folks will really acknowledge GOOD competition if it means they make less money on their videos, or sour their relationships with Apple and Samsung PR.
You don't need an NPU for AI, but you do need it to run AI tasks fast, within a limited power budget. I mean, you can generate images with Stable Diffusion XL (without being limited to certain styles) on something as limited as a Raspberry Pi Zero 2. You just need to wait several hours. When memory is limited, use smaller LLMs. The answers will also be shorter, but I have seen them run on 4GB devices.
I use an iPhone, but meh. All this AI stuff doesn't really excite me that much. So the fact that I won't get it on my "old" 13 Pro doesn't phase me in the slightest. Maybe Apple can finally give us a keyboard this year that doesn't lag though. That'd be nice.
But it will drop the resale value*
@@manamp1 Perfect! Means the older phones will be cheaper to buy.
Google did create tensor chips claiming better support and features to bepassed down. But ive seen over time that even simplest features like pro mode when they introduced it, were not given to older and non pro models which makes no sense. Ofc they took a lot of time to introduce such a simple feature available in almost any other android phone camera. But when they had it out they had to limit it like that ? Made no sense. Its not just about this. Google has been software locking features a lot more these days. Other companies do that too. But even with the tensor trade off, youd expect such features to also come through better than before.
You'll get no arguments over Tensor criticism here, especially Samsungs chip tech.
But this one is pretty cut and dry. It's literally a brand name swap and almost the exact same situation.
Perfect looks like I’ll be getting the iPhone 15 instead of the 16. I honestly don’t NEED AI things
It might be worth waiting for the iPhone 16 launch then.
It's the crazy thing happening with windows laptops right now. The CURRENT generation of Intel and AMD chips are being price cut dramatically because they won't be Copilot+ compatible.
But if you didn't WANT copilot+, the savings are AWESOME.
Since Apple planned on doing on-device AI, 8GB RAM is definitely not enough. Even with iOS, future iPhones definitely need more RAM.
Yup. 8gb will be lean if AI takes off.
So you didn't realized that, just 2 years ago they still supported 2GB models with the newest iOS.. and 2 years ago devices are designed about 3 years ago, way before AI or console level games (those are also can strugle with 6GB RAM). So when the A16 was designed the 6GB was 3x more like the required minimum memory for iOS 15 (because regular iPhone 8 had just 2GB RAM and got the iOS 15)
I believe Apple equipped older devices with less RAM, only to turn around and say to a lot of their users, buy new iPhones, IPads, with Apple silicon chip, and Macs, for the purposes of Apple intelligence, which is mind bogglingly insane,
And yet, that kind of move from Apple is shrugged off by most of the tech press, while people freak about phones like the pixel 8. Totally not a rigged system... Totally...
They used the bare minimum RAM because it's constantly drain your battery.. you can never turn off the RAM, or it will wipe the content.. and because of that, it's stupid to stack the RAM more like needed, doubling the RAM also means doubling the power consumption in idle/standby too.. so do you want to sacrifice 1-2 hours of battery time for more RAM? Or do you want even heavier phones because 20% bigger battery is also extra weight on the phone..
AI requires neural engines. But A series chips have had these for a very very long time
Given most flagships of the 14pro era are 8gb or 12gb and Apple is at 6gb, interestingly never questioned due to iOS itself being so limiting. Apple knew alll this, planned way to get their users to upgrade.
Personal comparison here on the couch with the GF, iPhone 14pro 6gb and Moto Edge 30 Ultra 12GB. Release dates were within days.
AppleMaths does say 6 is more than 12, but Apple Intelligence says otherwise 🤔
We have to believe Apple's road map is longer than six months of device planning 😄
@@SomeGadgetGuy WWDC 2025: we're excited to announce ABN, the Apple Belief Network. 🤣
Really it's just A.S.S. Apple Stockholm Syndrome. The acronym applies to Adobe too 🤣
It’s the same as CoPilot PCs really.
I saw that comment in Threads. 😂 People were going crazy!
Juan, do you plan on getting the Xperia 1 VI?
i bet he does not like the change on camera apps...
i remember, he prefers camera apps that targets a purpose - an app for photo, another for video (and another to mimic cine alta, apparently)...
Absolutely love how they walked right into this 😂
They gave me EXACTLY what I needed.
Muah-ha-ha-ha!
AI should only be a cloud-operated feature, my tiny mobile battery is for powering the device for as long as possible, not for pouring it on heavily demanding tasks that could possibly be done on a remote server with 1000 times better results due to greatly better resources!
Ram is certainty an important hardware aspect that should be noted when speaking about, and this part is key, "on device llms." Many operations Google currently offers are not completely "on device". This is why in order to operate features such as Magic Editor, you have to have an internet connection. Hell, you can't even use Gemini without an internet connection. So if Apple is being honest with Apple Intelligence and most of their operations will function directly on device without needing cloud service, then yes, ram is a more important aspect. Just throwing this out there, leaks have suggested that Google is touting 16gb of ram in their next Pixel devices. So hopefully as Google Gemini continues to mature we'll see a Gemini Nano being more on device capable and not just relying on cloud based architecture.
Makes it even more galling how devices at the end of last year with more than 12GB were considered "overkill".
Apple enthusiasts exhibit bias when evaluating AI performance. They strongly resist criticism of Apple's AI implementation, especially when contrasted with Google's. This results in a chorus of Apple loyalists, including tech reviewers on RUclips, defending their chosen brand. Your review, which questioned Apple's AI prowess, seems to have sparked a change in their thinking. When Apple's AI is compared to Google's, they suddenly become enamored about Google's capabilities, praising it as the superior solution.
Time to leave 🍎 in its own limited garden.
Oneplus started in the right direction here with way better hardware capable of handling the amount of information needed to get this working. Instead they get flack for not being in the forefront with "AI" features like dancing emojis to a stupid song
Off topic, can we expect the new periodic audio silicon DAC/Amp review, Juan?
OH! I missed that. I'm playing with some UA gear and something I can't talk about JUST yet, but I will reach out to them 👍
@@SomeGadgetGuy 👀🤞🏻
any comment on moondrop miad?
Normal rules don't apply to Apple
Tech "reviewers" certainly seem to handle similar situations in VERY different ways...
After all this while, I guess it only makes sense to move above 8/12GB RAM in phones.
I tried to tell people late last year... Let's see if folks pay attention now (and with new laptops)...
How dare you, sir?! How dare you!
Really, it is fun/sad watching and predicting how these announcements are handled in the tech sphere. I'm not on threads, so I didn't get a front row seat. Thanks for the highlights. 😉
HOW VERY DARE I!!!
It's frustrating for how obvious the narrative is going to play out these days...
Now who is the influencer that is "ginning up outrage traffic" 🤪🤪🤪
But? The Apple fans were right? I'm confirming they were correct 😅
@@SomeGadgetGuynever say such a thing Juan.... Ever
I mean, I gotta set the record straight on this one yeah?
The Apple fans were right here, and their logic also TOTALLY extends to the Pixel 8 and Gemini.
@@SomeGadgetGuy I absolutely agree with everything you said. I was just teasing you for the social experiment 😂
I am not even sure how well Apple intelligence will run with A17 pro chip. It is out of question that it will run smoothly on M+ devices, but in less powerful devices such as Iphones? I am curious about the new Iphone (16) and how different the base model will be compared to the 15 Pro.
Honestly, from using Androids with NPUs since the early Huawei experiments, there's a LOT of cool stuff we can do with that compute power. For the heavier models though, the issue is always going to be RAM. I think the 15Pro will be "good", but if we get a RAM bump in the 16Pro, we'll know Apple is turning the screws on planned obsolescence. If the 16Pro has the same amount of RAM, then I think we can believe they really are crafting an experience with longer expectations of support.
We did NOT get that kind of longer term consideration from Google on the Pixel 8, or Samsung.
Iphones need more ram? I screamed that when I purchased the iPhone 4s with a mere 512k back in 2011; imagine that, 512k.
However, I now use an *Old s21 Ultra /w 12gb of ram....and, its not getting the *Special AI features. Ah well. If it was important to me, and if I wanted to just toss some cash into the ether, I'd go find a good inexpensive refurb s23 ultra on ebay.
It's the same deal with Windows Recall right? You can now find CRAZY good deals on AMD and Intel machines BECAUSE they aren't going to have all the AI bells and whistles. But if you dont want windows recall...
I wonder would adding more RAM to my Intel 2019 iMac help. It just has the basic 8 GB at the moment..
If you're doing a bit of multitasking, and/or using a lot of browser tabs, more RAM would help a little
Juan, I have recently bought the 14 Pro and it's obviously disappointing to be left out of Apples AI with this device, but hey, whether it's Apple, Samsung or Google, you pay for what you get. I wouldn't want AI in my device if it didn't perform up to scratch, so I'll just have to fork out and get the 15 Pro if I want the AI when it comes out in September.
I wish folks could have had that temperament if we replaced "iphone 14 pro" with "pixel 8".
just want you to buy the most expensive ones.
But the iphone 15 has the same ram as the 16 it's just a money grab
Well that's just not true. The 16 has more RAM.
I have no idea what AI is. Is that deep fakes or people talking to imaginary friends? All I know is iPhones can play resident evil for PS4 and they will replace your battery for $69. Samsung and Google won't do that
This is much like Microsoft lurking on your AI computer, doing stuff on machine and if need be using OpenAI.
But when Apple does it's less creepy because they've already manipulated and restricted the life out of you it's "innovation" 🤣🤦♂️
Please ask why MediaTek isn't in OnePlus, or Samsung when they are as good as SnapDragon and I'm for sure they are cheaper too.
I was REALLY hoping to see that change after how good the OP pad was.
Seems we still have licensing issues in a lot of regions.
How are their newer receivers though, generally in edge reception cases like here in broad Australia they aren't as good, while not an issue for most, edge reception is important for some in a phone
Yall definitely should be on the Mastodons.
It's the place for (nerds) to be!
Apple Intelligence? More like Apple Incompetence.
And the pixel 8 can run on device ai. What is this Apple? Tim Cook is equal to Greed And Maximizing profits of the company and Steve Job is the innovative and creative person of the company
Great video. Well called out.
Just a bit of fun mid-week 😁
@@SomeGadgetGuy You're a bad man lol
If this is wrong, I dont wanna be right 😄
@@SomeGadgetGuy Good! We need more like you!
I'm getting to full on popcorn 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿😅😅😅😅😂😂😂😂
It turned out better than I could have hoped.
It's annoying that the pixel 7 pro won't get Gemini Nano even though it has 12 GB of RAM and basically the same processor
Well, a bit more structural differences going from Tensor 2 to 3, but it's still kind of annoying that Google sold us on the idea of their own chip "doing AI" (they literally called it a TENSOR), but they fell behind MediaTek and Qualcomm NPU performance pretty fast...
@@SomeGadgetGuy watch the next g4 be gimbed but hyped at the same time by Google until they finally come out with their own
Also crazy how mediatek beat/are on par with snapdragon now and Samsung exynos couldn't do it for 10 years
That's the BIG win for competition. MediaTek in two generations pretty much caught Qualcomm's premium tier. That's incredible.
It will be interesting to see what gets offered to what and if it will be just locked to brands etc. Hopefully not.
Edge 30 Ultra over a year old (Snap 8+ Gen 1 , 12GB)but benchmarks are similar to mates Pixel 8 Pro
Same with my Xiaomi 12S ultra. It performs similarly AND has better camera hardware than the Pixel 8Pro. If the rumors on the 9Pro are true, then Google will still be struggling to out pace an almost three year old Xiaomi.
I subscribed because of this video ❤😂
@@michwashington it got so much hate. 😅
@@SomeGadgetGuy I think it’s great 👍🏻
@@SomeGadgetGuy As you know , people like their echo chambers … I use a iPhone 📲 as my daily driver , but I like Android 🤖 OS on certain hardware devices like Samsung,Google and others as well. It’s good to point these things out to both users.
Who uses threads ?
Easily agitated Apple fans it seems?
@@SomeGadgetGuy😂 even more so than RUclips hey.
SomeTrollingGuy 😂😂
We have fun...
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good video
lol tech double standards
This one was pretty obvious LOL.
I see you dont have an x ot Twitter handle
Crazy part is, I think this highlights the question of what is consistent of an OS update when key selling points and features are excluded? It's harder to frame that for myself b/c there are real hardware limitations that justify the end of the support unless we reel back expectations.
But also, do we really believe that Apple and Google were caught totally by surprise here? We don't think they have 2-3 year road maps on future devices?
Bro you are so spot on... the exact same argument, but the MOMENT the brand starts with 🍎 its all people frothing at the mouth with utter BS!!
Seems a bit unfair LOL...
I love snarky Juan. 🎉
We have fun.