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"Electric Cars Suck in the Winter"
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- Published on Apr 17, 2026
- Is using an electric car in the winter that bad?
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I like that Celsius conversion
I'm in upstate NY and where I am we have gotten over 5 feet of snow. I have a Juniper model Y and I do lose about 30% range with the winter tires on as well. My previous car was a fairly decently modded Subaru BRZ and I lost around the same amount of range so it's not a huge downside for me unless I need to do highway travel.
Metrics superiority
Just so you know, 14°F is (-10°C ) and 0F is (-18 C) give or take 0.5…so that should give you an idea of what he was talking about when he said “teens and sometimes single digits”.
Ceslsius people aka the rest of the world
@MichaelOrtega Yeah, but 1°C isn't 1°F, right? So it is not just offset, the scale is completely different.
The commitment to the bushes bit is stellar, even in the crunchy snow. Top tier!
He just figured this out
You have a fine eye for the worthless.
He got take his dumps a bit earlier to avoid this though. I get it, it's nerve wrecking to be in front of an audience.
Yeahh
Yuuuup
Only about -14°C ? not too bad! 😂
Hi from Ottawa lol
Hey come on now, we're eating pretty good today at like -3 and sunny. Last couple weeks was rough though.
I have been driving my EV in Ottawa at -35 C and it is fine but yeah the range takes a hit
Yup, -14C is nothing in Canada
I have trouble starting my gas car (its an older car) but my EV keeps itself warm enough to avoid issues. But less range for sure.
in Yakutsk with up to -71 celcius they have big toyota diesel vans loaded to the moon on th roof while also towing lol!!!!
Celsius people = literally the whole world.
👍🏾
Not here in the UK.
@Benzkneesuk using tea unit
except for the countries that matter
@Benzknees Yeah, Anglophone weirdness, we the whole world guess.
Every time I watch these videos I hear the bank loan officer calling my name
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ahhh… the comment that keeps on giving likes. Similar to my bank account. Paying my car loan
EV's in Winter : Pre-heating before you get in : super lush 😊
Totally I live in an extreme cold climate and it’s been an upgrade (-30f). I’ll hit the defrost button and in 10 min the cabin is 105 degrees f and it melts all the snow off the roof. I get out and the car has melted all the snow off so I don’t keep a snow brush in my car.
Tesla roadtrip rocks! You are full of bs
@cuiw197 LMAO, sure if you like stopping a lot at rest stops and making the trip hours longer than it should have been.
@cuiw197
People that can afford a nice EV can just fly. Or rent a gas vehicle on Turo.
Also it’s not that bad. A 30 minute stop on a 500+ mile trip is fine. My kids and family need to eat and use the bathroom
Where I live we've had electric and gas/diesel powered heaters on cars that heat the engine and the cabin for half a century.
From time to time, a creature comes out of the woods and talks about things.
dark and handsome creature, you racist clown.
Hehe, well put 😂. Some time in the future that’s what Aliens will feel about these videos
me: i'll bring 4000 battery packs cause i love the smell of hydrogen in the morning
"weather or not" 😆 dad joke 1:46
Lool
Solid!
Its cold.... Laughs in Canadian.
“Hot” take. 1:26 … maybe cold take
Freezing perhaps
Ah the dad jokes are priceless
Thank you for for that Celsius conversion!
Marques: It's cold out here in Jersey.
People in Canada: You ain't seen shit ma man!
Eh?
Also Norway
Agreed. -40 out here. Ev’s hold up still just as well as he was saying.
It's not properly cold until your combustion car needs to be plugged in before you go more than your EV does.
I'm in North Eastern Quebec. An EV would be a very nice casket for my frozen body to be discovered in.
5:45 You can also schedule the preheating. Whether it’s parked in or outdoors my wife’s car is a nice 68 degrees when she goes out every morning to do her drive to work. It happens automatically, without fail, and without having to remember to do it.
I mean...you can with a ice
@charlie2001 Not in a garage, plus in some countries idling an ICE is illegal.
@Piotrek7654321 if ur ICE car is in enclosed garage then you dont really need to pre-heat it lol
@jefferson2214kinda true but garages still get cold, usually they don’t have any heating
My girlfriend saw me watching this and yelled "it's the car guy!"
Tell your girlfriend I said hi
The car guy? The tech guy you mean.
Damn is 😂🎉
The road trip taking longer is one of those things that doesn't bother my family much. We make a point to stop and take stretch breaks anyways, so having to do that for a bit longer while you wait for the charge to finish isn't really that bad.
I agree with your assessment. I live in Wisconsin and this year we have had temps as low as -14 degreese F. That range sucked, but charging overnight makes a difference. I pre-heat every morning in my garage is amazing. If I forget to pre-heat when I leave work, I'm warm by the time I get out of the parking ramp.
Can confirm - Gent 1 R1T LE here - when it was -14f it was interesting but still just get in and go. I love the scheduled climate for rivian (coming from a M3P).
When it was -35 here, the cabin heating stopped working entirely because the car had to heat the battery. Quite the problem. Otherwise fine even when it's -20 and below.
That's celsius.
@Karl-m6bwhat car is that? My US Ford Lightning has been driven in -33F (-36 C), or close to it, multiple times this winter with no internal cabin heating problems. That includes at least two times where the vehicle sat I sub zero temps (F) for over four days unplugged. Instant heat when started. Now my vehicle showed reduced power levels for acceleration, so maybe instead of 0-60mph times go from 3.8 seconds to 6 or 7 seconds…. Guess I have to give up something…
@michaelwitkiewicz7052 I've had a rental Tesla Modal Y have this same issue as recently as January. Weather dropped below -30C (-20F?) and a warning flashes up that heating would be unavailable while the batteries were so cold, lasted maybe 10-15 mins?
@michaelwitkiewicz7052 id Buzz. Basically a brand new one as well, so no probs with the battery.
7:20 cybertruck owners grinding their teeth now 😂
Why? They have the same towing capacity as the Rivian.
@OneWheelMannone of the aura. None of the range. All the fascism. Oh yeah, and held together by shitty glue and built out of mostly plastic. Cybertrucks are dogshit
@iitstre_4550😅yup
@iitstre_4550 The takes from arm chair engineers are amazing. The truck that was simultaneously the most efficient production truck ever sold in the country AND the quickest accelerating production truck in the country (at the time of its release) is "dogshit." Ok kid...go back to building things in mine craft. A truck that simultaneously did 2 different things than any other truck in history before it might not be the best in EVERY way, but how many vehicles are the best in multiple categories when they come out?
@OneWheelManDude, its supposed to be a 'truck' nobody cares about the efficiency or speed if it struggles to deliver on its most basic promise. No cybertruck ive seen indicates it could haul a damn semi back onto the road, and be perfectly fine after the fact. We've seen how flimsy they can be from testing.
I dont care if my pencil can fly in the air and spin on its own-if it cant write well it's a shitty damn pencil.
Especially when the Rivian and every other upspec EV out there are also insanely quick-its just brownie points more than anything. Nobody *needs* their truck to have a sub 3 second 0-60. They *need* it to do the occasional truck thing.
The Rivian promised to be an Adventure oriented truck that can take the tough jobs and be an excellent commuter. We've seen them tackle floods and hurricanes. We've seen them haul out semis and other multi-ton vehicles with ease. We've seen them on trails most people wouldn't even take their beater off-road vehicle. All of which were perfectly suited to go into town afterwards and grab enough groceries for a family of four.
Rivian has consistently delivered on their promises, and thats why they have such a cult following. Cybertrucks meanwhile are experiencing very poor sales aside from the initial buy-in, and its not all due to Musk's 'antics'
I own and R1T Gen1. The reduced range during winter has not been an issue except for one time when I forgot to set the charge from 70% to 85% when I had a long trip the next day. Trying to find an open charger in the Baltimore area at rush hour was annoying. I have 36,000 miles on it and have driven it up and down the east coast and to the midwest without issues. Being able to have the cabin set to temperature in the morning is amazing. It is by far the best vehicle I have owned.
Only charging to 70%? You must have a very happy battery.
Life is too short to spending wondering if you’ll get burned by your EV. I had 3 EV’s and the experiment is fully over. Never again.
@DonkeyRhubarb21Batteries are fickle and can fail for a lot of reasons, not just charging over 70%.
@JetFire9 I am curious what happened? I have owned 4 EVs and 1 plug in hybrid. All of the EVs have been good. The plug in hybrid, an XC90, was so much garbage I had it lemon lawed.
@flantc My Model S was the final straw. Only 5K miles and 8 months old and the rear inverter failed and left me stranded on the side of the road at midnight and the car went completely dark after 10 mins when the tiny LV battery gave out. No emergency flashers, nothing. Horrible repair experience. Lots of time wasting and frustrating public charging nightmares with all my EV's. Also got extremely tired of having to spend mental energy balancing keeping HV battery healthy while having enough range to do what I was doing that particular day. Life is too short.
You know when an old granny crochet a blanket to rap up the dog? Well, a car is just a big dog
My Blazer EV loses 60% range at -40C. Not great, but honesty at that temp I don't want to drive anywhere I dont have to. Living 100km from the "big city", I have had to level 3 charge only once before leaving the city, but that was a 10min top up to avoid being under 10% on arrival.
The ability to preheat my car in my garage from the grid is just so luxurious.
-40 C? Where do you live, northern Siberia?
@blueskies1237 Try -50C in the middle of Canada.
-40°C?! That's like -40°F!!!
@blueskies1237central Canada
Where EVs use a lot of energy in the winter is when the car is parked on the street unplugged overnight and cold soaked. First few miles the efficiency will be in the toilet until the battery is able to heat up. After that, the battery will stay warm and the efficiency won't be that bad. On a road trip, the continuous driving, and the pre-conditioning when stopping at each supercharger will keep the battery warm. Supercharging will only take forever if the car is cold soaked overnight and then immediately driven to a fast charger without giving it a chance to heat itself up first.
1:19 “living with EV”. I’m glad he is speaking up ❤️
electric vehicle, right? unless i’m missing something…
@june_kekeit sounds like a commercial like “I’m living with ED” or “im living with VD”
It's telling when it has to be described as "living with an EV."
Most of us just say "I own a fucking car," and there is no need to elaborate whatsoever.
@bongwaterbojackperson shocked video about electric vehicles he says the words electric vehicle
@Sedna-LLL Proofreading only takes seconds and saves both your image and my time.
Preheating in the garage is amazing.. It’s so nice.
I live in Mexico and with a temperatures between 50 °F and 80 °F all the year and the high altitude (6500 ft, very thin air) are perfect for EVs, I am doing 105% of the claimed range of my EV in road and city, but instead gas car are the worst in this clime and altitude
My first car was a 1986 Subaru GL. Under the hood was a little sticker that said "Modified for high-altitude operation". Pretty sure all they did was widen the carburetor, but still funny.
Now I drive a Bolt and yeah it's awesome here in Colorado's super hot and super cold weather and mountains.
Also when you are in Mexico, you mostly drive within your own city. So majority of your trips are covered.
Clime? New word... Why are you using °F instead of °C?
Trying to be "cool"?
@fernandomaldonado6435 The word clime has been in use since the 1500s; I assume they're using Fahrenheit since most people here are likely American.
Why are you being an ass hat? Trying to be "cool?"
@fernandomaldonado6435 Mexico uses Celsius, like the entire world except the US
Will show this video to my reluctant wife
Also don't forget to tell her that in FREAKING NORWAY 95% of cars sold are pure battery EVs.
@Groaznic Partly because electricity is extremely cheap in Norway.
Your wife is reluctant, or she is reluctantly your wife?
Lol, sorry, couldn't resist ;)
@forkthepork Also, like 90% of Norwegians live in areas with similar winter lows to New Jersey (especially a bit inland, like Sussex). Norway obviously has colder year-round temps but at the low end it's pretty much just as cold as New Jersey.
@forktheporkElectricity is cheaper in the USA than Norway. Average price in Norway is 19 cents per kWh. Average price per kWh in the Usa is 18 cents (rounded up)
maaan preheating my EV via my phone is god-like!! I don't need all my range all the time...but the connected services of the EV make it all worth it!
Most of the new cars you can buy from the last few years all have app connected remote start. Nissan, honda, toyota, audi, bmw, jeep... you name it
@clouduYYC Yes, agreed, but if you park your car inside your garage at home, you don't want to remote start the car and smoke-up the garage. But even with that advantage, I am currently not liking my experience owning an EV in the winter. Finding out the hard way that I should own at least 1 non-EV car.
@eaglefox79 Someone tell this person that garages have remotes.
@eaglefox79I think the improved traction control alone is worth the worse mileage. I can safely get on the road before almost anyone else.
I don't think I want to drive a non-EV in Minnesota winters ever again.
@PlaylistWatching1234 How does an EV have improved traction control over any other AWD car?
I admire his commitment to walk through the bushes 😂
Preconditioning really takes care of the battery downsides in cold weather. Rivian has a "scheduled drive" feature where it can heat the battery before you leave, using energy from your charger at home, so you have the full battery range. Because the battery is so heavy, it will stay warm until you reach your charge stop, and charge quickly when you get there. I just drove from Illinois to California in an EV last week - we covered 800 miles in 14 hours, a lot of which was in below freezing temperatures as we crossed Kansas, Colorado and into Utah. I wouldn't have gone much, if any, faster in a gas car.
As time goes on electric cars are starting to become more practical and now especially in icy/snow conditions even better than gas cars. Not having to warm your engine up in the mornings must be a game changer haha
I wish I had this feature on my id4, preconditioning on demand is a must for winter or you're stuck at 40-50kw at your first stop
If you have the luxury of a house. Most people rent these days unless you’re lucky to be a house millionaire
@quartzofcoursevw should be shamed for this. Precondition is a software thing, and they didnt care to implement it in the first years of the id-cars. Just lazy.
If you're not part of the huge percentage that street parks
1:00 for celcious people…. It is cold ! 😂😂😅😂
Celsius?
Bro gave the scientific breakdown: brrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!
-14c/7f laughs in Canadian
Comedy gold 😂
@phantomlumina8686more like comedy cold.
If you prewarn the cabin while still plugged in, you don't use any battery power.
Not if you have it charging at a set schedule
And you can preheat an EV while it is parked in an enclosed garage, even one that is attached to your house, with no worries about toxic fumes.
It’s dangerous enough to charge an EV in a garage, let alone pre-heat while still plugged in.
@mjg1544what makes you say that?
@mjg1544 Nonsense - fire risk for EVs is lower than for ICE cars on average. There have been fire risk related recalls for specific cars (including EV, ICE, and hybrid), so people should obviously keep that in mind. There are plenty of things to worry about in this world, and this is not one of them.
It is worth keeping a smoke detector in the garage regardless of what you store in there, whether it's an EV, ICE, or just random stuff. But home fire risk from an EV is extremely low compared to home fire risks related to cooking, portable heating devices, and open flames.
Watching this without a car and living in a tropical country
0:48 for Celsius people 😂
I hear there's a handful of them.
The Birdcage :)
@thekingprada funny movie
people are now known as Celsius, Fahrenheit, Kelvin 😂
1 Fahrenheit is negative 17 Celsius, however negative 20 Celsius is negative 4 Fahrenheit
happy birthday my goat
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@MilesSomerville 🤣🤣🤣
@MilesSomerville 😭💔
Most people have fantasy selves that road trip, hardly anyone actually roadtrips enough for the range to really matter.
Very True
True. I love road trips but I only do like 2 a year now more than 8 hours or more. If I have to wait another 15min at a charging station compared to fuelling up, whatever. I don't care it gives me a longer break and more time to stretch. Anyone that buys a car for the extreme fringe instances of "I NEED TO DRIVE 1000MI ONCE THEREFORE EV BAD" are delusional. 99% of the time you drive is no longer than 50mi round trip.
Yep. Alec from Technology Connections refers to this as the "BUT SOMETIMES!" problem where sometimes an electric car (or any electric alternative) is worse than the traditional version but the vast majority of the time it is better.
or more importantly they only road trip 1 or 2 times a year at most. Going to Grandmas for Xmas being the classic example. The other 99.9% of time you are driving less than 50 miles a day.
These are most buyers. I need a big truck/suv cuz I imagine myself living a rugged outdoor lifestyle!
Bro just casually starts his video outside Escon Field what a flex
I like how M. states the elephant in the room about all of EV conveniences basically available if you have your own garage charger.
I also thought about how gas cars have remote start (i did the aftermarket for my car and how it preheats my car for 15 minutes and I get in and its nice and toasty but ive noticed that my range in my gas car has gone down doing so. So really its on par with ev, difference being that gas allows for quicker and easier refueling
meh not from my experience. Where i live you can charge at work, or while buying groceries or going shopping etc. I have a commute of almost 100km a day and even now on winter i never need to stop to charge on my way to or from work as i can just charge while at work or during the weekly grocery shopping. I live in a flat so i am not able to charge at home but i really dont have to. And i dont even need to plan trips to the gas station. Just get off work and drive home in a fully charged, preheated car.
@caphalor7252 Wow, you're so cool. Such variety of options. Like 2% of everyone, very awesome.
@e@ezralabandeira3552l 15 min. You only need maybe 5 at most, although maybe 2 for the vast majority of winter. It heats up a lot faster when you drive. The first few minutes is really just you scrape the windows.
@c@c@caphalor7252 people can do that, and grocery store, at least where I am have 1-2 charging stalls if any at all. And I bet of more people get evs at work, your employer will stop that.
6:26 I work in the city and have about a .6 mile walk to the garage our cars are in from the office. The ability to tell my Tesla to start heating up when I start my walk so by the time I get there it’s warm and ready to go is so massive.
That's definitely not an ev exclusive. My 2019 ford does that.
@chi@chicoktcI figured just sharing my own experience. My older cars never had that so it’s a neat feature of the current vehicle.
@JoshLii99 valid point, but like @chicoktc said that has nothing to do with electric cars; that's more of a feature of newer cars. My old honda accord also did that lol
@rb.2375 true
@chicoktcdont you have to pay for the app? Also hear the app doesn't work half the time.
3:43 this is the number one thing I explain to people considering an EV.
I say the same thing. I live in Colorado and I charge in my garage. I tell people as long as you can plug in at night in your garage then you're good.
People really be living in Antarctica during winter in America that’s wild
I think regenerative braking is also better at not-locking than standard brakes. I've felt way better snow control with EV as well
100% agreed. The majority of the weight from the car (the battery) is concentrated on the floor, and distributed evenly. You have a super nice even weight distribution, along with no mechanical inertia from cylinders and a camshaft. What that means is your wheel control and handling is SO, SO much better in most EVs vs most gas cars.
Same for hybrids. Regen breaking in winter conditions is very smooth and controllable.
While I like most of what my Tesla does in the winter, the inability to reduce regenerative braking with a setting the way they used to do it is potentially dangerous. I want a low regen/winter mode. I've had several cases with car locking up the rear wheels especially on slippery steep roads at different speeds (i.e.10-80km/h) and it is not something you can modulate very well any more. Ease off the throttle, back gets VERY twitchy.
Manual transmission cars can also slow down without locking the wheels.
@ivanovpreslav7417So can automatics.
I got my mustang mach e gt at the end of december and for about a month i was just using the supercharger near my work to charge since i wasnt renting a garage at my apartment. Now that im renting a garage its nice because even with a level 1 charger and setting the imput to only 10 amps (only one outlet in the garage so one plug is the garage door and the other is the charger) it charges more than enough for me to be usually back at 90% SOC when i have to go to work
I think you could probably get by setting it a little higher than that if it's on a typical 15 amp breaker that's only for the charger and garage door. I had to go through breaker data sheets designing control panels as part of my job, and breakers typically won't trip at all until they have close to 50% more current flowing through them than they're rated for, and then it can take several minutes. Even if you pull double the current that they're rated for, it often takes 15 to 30 seconds to trip which is longer than it takes a garage door to open or close. If 10 amps does what you need it to do, then don't worry about it, but if you still have to pay to charge at work, I'd try it as high as 15 amps. (I don't know if there's a setting between such as 12 amps.) The worst it can do is trip your breaker. Also, do you ever even open the garage door while the car is charging?
@chitlitlahi probably could but the only way in and out of the garage is theough the garage door and there isnt any other door into it. I also dont have access to the breaker so if i trip it id have to call maintinence and wirh my job i get home at random hours so theyre most likely gone by the time i get home.
@pandamom6336 Those are good reasons. I don't remember seeing a garage that didn't have a smaller door to walk through, so I assumed yours did. I assumed the breaker would be in the apartment, but mine doesn't have one labeled garage either. Now I'm wondering where mine is and if it's even connected to my meter. That would be awesome if I get free electricity out there.
Anyway, I've been thinking of getting an EV myself and charging it in my garage with one 120V outlet like yours, so I've been thinking about this stuff and crunching the numbers.
I'm charging at 22 kW at home (230V at 32A) but I live in Europe. And drive a 22 kW charging capable EV.
@pandamom6336 dont have to worry about ANY of this with my hybrid so yall aren't convincing anyone to get an EV with all this headache, planning and strategizing.
9:01 *That's not entirely true.* Batteries drain significantly faster while in use, when they're not within the recommended operating temperature range, so it is actually beneficial to sit and wait for a minute to allow the on-board heat pumps to warm the battery up before you start asking the battery to deliver a steady, mid-to-high rate/amount of power.
But most people aren’t going on road trips where they need every mile of range as possible. They’re just going to work/groceries/friends/home. So 99% of your drives aren’t affected by your worry here.
The thing is, by the time you reverse out of your driveway, garage or any parking space that’ll probably take 10-20 or more and by then the car should at least be 80% heated
You missed the prior point about PRE HEATING
I like the fact that he said, for Celsius people it's cold. 😂😂
Chevy Bolt owner here. In the winter I go from 240 at its best to as low as 110 fully charged. Still make it work and I’m happy to be driving this, but it simply can’t be my travel car (hour plus away) during this time. When I upgrade to something that charges at a more modern rate, winter won’t be any issue.
Good lord that's low I have went from 259 to 170 during these frigid temps in the northeast . you must travel a lot at highway speeds?
I just experienced my first winter in a bolt. My range went from like 260 to about 210 fully charged. I thought there was something wrong with my battery because I also have a Leaf and I would only lose range due to using the heater. So i think its the battery chemistry that causes this.
@Gijoe0012 just depends on if they have a heat pump really
@kendroid5120NMC loses some charge in cold temps. Chinese EVs are going to hybrid NMC & Na Ion batteries to fix this problem. When will Tesla & Rivian figure this out? Who knows.
2 winters Buffalo NY ARCTIC Winters. 2024 Chevy Blazer EV … it charges works and functions perfect no issues while I drive by ICE vehicles not turning on. The only con is running the heater. I get significant battery drain when running heat because the battery is already powering to heat the pack up. No big deal just plug it in and charge overnight… and I’m a charger orphan … no charger in garage I level 1 charge at 1kw for 10 hrs gives me 24% increase daily
I drove a Nissan Leaf 2016 30kW at work for 4 years in Finland. If it's possible here, then it's possible in most places. Altough I did forget to mention I had to drive in -30C weather without any heating aaaand that after each short trip like 20km or around 200 hamburgers I had to charge and instead of the 50kw "fast" charging, because of the cold It charged with around 5-15kw. The heating wouldn't come on even while charging.
The irony is that members of our Nissan Leaf club in Siberia install Webasto to warm up a car in winter.
the autofocus on this camera is good
I’m a Minnesotan with an ID.4. When you get Minnesota cold (-10°F and colder) range is literally cut in half. During the summer I will get around 3.4 mi/kWh, in very cold it is around 1.7 mi/kWh. Also if it is too cold my car won’t let me charge until it warms up in the garage for a little while. Obviously those temps aren’t super common, but they do happen, and we had a 2-3 week stretch here last month around those temps. The ID.4 was pretty hard to use in those temps
Also MN. ‘24 Mach E - Went from 95% and 240mi range to 55mi range on return, with a 74mi round trip.
Also, it is amazing when I drive next to a cold gas car off the line. They are so incredibly slow, and I have instant power. And also instant heat. May not get warm on the highway, but my behind and hands are toasty warm.
Also in MN. I got a plug-in hybrid for this reason. With my average day being 45 miles of mixed city and highway driving in the summer I'll get about 55-60 mpg. The electric range is cut in half the same way as an EV and when it got that cold my mpg was low 20s. The average for the month was still 35 mpg.
When it's that cold I don't really care about efficiency. I can run on gas without a care in the world. The battery allows me to still preheat without the engine and the engine can supply the electricity needed to heat the battery instead of using electric range when it goes below 0. Because its a plug-in hybrid my cabin heating is all electric, it's quick and it doesn't pull heat from the engine which allows the engine to warm up much faster than other cars. All the conveniences of electric and none of the drawbacks. Still have to do maintenance like a gas car but I pay less for gas so it's still a win versus a non-hybrid.
@djw1091994don’t drive more than a few miles regularly, but have to drive occasionally on longer trips. I looked at PHEVs, but couldn’t justify it at the price I got my vehicle for. But, agree, if I were going to do it again, that may have been a better option.
Wait, what? ID.4 does that? I live in Finland with Tesla Model 3 and it’s been -20c and colder for quite a while now, and I keep the car out in cold. Charges without any issues.
I love my Cadillac Lyriq, but reduced range in winter has such a compounding effect specially if you dont have attached garage. This January was brutal in Chicago, since all EVs are impacted , it bottles up the charging stations too. Couple of weeks back, I had to wait 45 minutes to just to get a spot plus 1 hr charging time, it was 11PM. Hopefully it is a weather anomaly. On plus side, anytime it is 30 and above, I get very solid range of 275-300, which goes upto 350 when it is in 60s and above
I'm jealous! An easy solution is to spend Jan to March somewhere warm :) Your family can take care of themselves. Kids today are so soft expecting 3 meal a day.
Shoulda spent the money on a garage instead of a lyriq lol
Damn! That's 1.45 hrs longer than the 3-4 minutes at a gas station. That's my fear even if it happens once a year.
Not even joking I had this exact thought about a week ago, I hopped in my 2011 Kia soul to move it off the street, it was negative 20 Celsius outside, the air conditioner was blowing cold air at me when I have it cranked to max heat, I can't feel my hands and I'm shivering, and the exhaust was just blowing huge clouds of smoke out, I started smelling fumes in my car and I said in my head, yep I'm ready for an electric car, I felt so done with gas in that moment lol for exactly all the reasons you mention in the second half of this video
Do it! If you are able to plug at home it is definitely worth it! It gets more questionable if you cant charge at home or at work, but the other benefits still make it tempting, like no engine noise or vibration, instantly available power at any speed, preheating anywhere you are, the almost instantly available heat even if you dont precondition.
Until you get your electric car, try using gloves to keep your hands warm. And not the cheap Walmart gloves, real gloves made with real leather or fur.
just buy a remote starter bro, way more efficient than buying a new car just because of the cold lol
Your mistake was buying a Kia
I don't have that problem. My gas car is in my fully insulated garage with a garage heater set to 77 degrees the whole time. I get hot air instantly when I start up my ICE car.
He single handedly built the warehouse behind him, in between that he does his car review
EVs with the heat pumps like mine you'll find have two sort of stages to the winter range hit, first is around the freezing point 32F where you'll notice a slight range hit of 10% or so, the second is around 0F and below where you get the big range hit when it has to kick over to the resistive heater backup and that can be more like 30% more or less depending on what you are telling it to do.
GHSTSTRSCRMbruh 0° Celsius or 32°F is winter weather.
it does lose easily 10%.
If you get closer to -30 or -40° Farenheit you easily lose 30% or more
GHSTSTRSCRMAre you ill? Please seek medical assistance.
Tesla's heat pump actually recycles heat produced by the motors and drive electronics, instead of just outside air, reducing the cabin heating drain of the battery range.
@davidladd5597But wouldn’t that rob heat from the battery? It needs to stay warm too.
Wait until we have the solid state batteries in mass production cars.
I keep waiting...
Yeah, solid state battery's promise a lot. But the actual manufacturability of them is extremely challenging, so is getting the right chemistry to make them an improvement to all the mainstream battery's we have today. It's gonna be exiting once there is a very high density battery but it will still take years, I think.. Let's hope for the best!
You in 2036: ''Just wait until we have the solid state batteries man''
Road trips are a fraction of a percent of all driving done in the US on any given day.
But then the one time a year you do have to do a road trip makes you wish in that moment you didn't only own an EV lol.
@MBDieselFreak Not really. We find on a 500 mile highway trip, we can charge our EVs from 10% or so to 90% in about 20 minutes ( add 250+ miles of range). That is just long enough to use the restroom and grab a snack or two for the next leg. As usual, biologic needs are the limiting factor, not the vehicle.
@JBoy340aunless you're driving through parts of the country that don't have dc fast charging. Will certainly change in the future, but it's a challenge right now.
the line is renting. EV rental cars are a nightmare
that doesnt exclude the fact that for evs it sucks lol! not everyone has a garage.
Man, can't even speed through a school zone in the winter, smh
They are not bad in winter , they just require more scheduling...I live in Canada 😂
I always just think it's funny that half the cars in Norway are EVs and people still claim they're bad in the cold.
@benso87Ev cars made 97% of new car sales in Norway.
it's nowhere near 50% of the total cars on the road
it's closer to 30%
GHSTSTRSCRMAs do regular gas cars too lol Same same
@Lifeisgood311Lots of different engines with different efficiencies. Most of those batteries... Are just batteries.
“Instantly blow hot air “ .. my Equinox EV takes 10 min lol 😅
Oof.
Yeah radiant heating is a feature now …
TBF... it is an Equinox :P
Yeah, that’s because it’s a cheap ev lol
10 minutes seems more realistic especially at sub zero temperatures.
Hi there I’m from a city in Canada called Edmonton about a year or two ago the temperatures dropped so low that our govn was telling people NOT to plug in their cars because our grid couldn’t handle it. Not to mention north of the states we see -30 sometimes for a month at a time sometimes it gets even colder than that in the winter.
They’re full of shit. Plugging in your car uses less heat than using your oven and washer/dryer. It’s gas the gas lobbyist in Alberta trying to discredit you
@n@nuudelz3711I think you mean power opposed to heat and it’s not false we had emergency messages coming from the govn about it we also don’t have anywhere near enough chargers to support that many evs keep in mind each car charging takes 45-an hour to charge so those stations won’t be a quick stop like
Fuel Is for a ICE engine.
Not to mention in the height of winter the grid is loaded more then ever. Everyone’s running furnaces everyone’s got lights on or they’re cooking something it just doesn’t make sense to force evs on Canadians we don’t want them
So do y'all just constantly carry ether in the winter for gas cars or are you constantly keeping your car running? The only time it ever got that cold in my neck of the woods we had to walk to buy ether because the engine wouldn't start.
@williamtarleton1857no dude we plug em in and use the block heaters.
"For celcius people: it's cold"
Walks around in a light jacket without hat.
Yeah, sure, dude.
Minnesota here hold my beer it’s gets to like -30 here
How many highway miles would you get in those temperatures?
@qman66on my polestar 2 with a heat pump going 75, I was getting 125 miles from 80-10. Fairly annoying when going to duluth & back in a single day, but not the worst.
Great job on the video Marques! Thanks for making it.
I got a flat tire on my tesla and had to resort to using my old gas car. Those couple of days in the winter without my Tesla's scheduled cabin preheating in the morning were brutal. I know, it's a first world problem but you really realize how amazing that feature is when switching back to a gas car.
I have remote start on my camry hybrid that turns on and keeps the AC control what you have before. So it's not a EV only thing
this feature is on lots of cars both gas and EV, but i do think it's a more common feature of EVs considering price and the fact they're all loaded with tech
Buy a cheap spare
No fun. In extreme temps, monitor your tires carefully in any car. Tesla makes it easy. The icey ruts are a bad deal.
@mrnarason it’s not the same as defrost mode in a tesla
wow great one, thanks for all the sage points.
Not only can you preheat a BEV... you can *schedule* it. The missus regularly drives to work at 7:30a during the weekdays. The car is already warmed up and ready to go at that time. Also the battery is conditioned so there isn't a very big range hit when she leaves the house.
No need to schedule it in an EV. You only need to run heater for 10-20 minutes. Better to start it manually in app/widget instead of "rushing out" to the car to not risk having preheated for nothing.
I live in Vermont. Plenty cold, snowy and icy. My Model Y is hands down the best car I've ever driven in the snow. Our uphill icy driveway is the test case. I heat the car and battery up for 5 or 10 minutes off my phone before trips. Only downside is range on long trips. Stops are longer and more frequent. Not a big problem for me given the benefits.
-35 and below, the heating is entirely used for the battery as I learned this winter.
Isn't there a "precondition" for the battery so that it warms it up before charging? Or is that even WITH the preconditioning?
For me the range and the dampers is an issue when drivning the MY (-24) in winter conditions. Maybe it's better now, but for me it's very disturbing
@biggabiggareally? You got on 200 mile road trips every day?
@noahhabbershaw8177quite often yes
Can we get an updated EV Autopilot rankings video?
In the US market it’s Tesla>>>>>>>>>>>>everyone else at least for now
Why? We (including the people married to a political party and were told to hate Tesla) know that Tesla is extremely ahead of the competition.
Still sucks
@Thesunscreen The current version of FSD is incredible. It in no way "sucks"
No other car is anywhere close to Tesla FSD. Mine drives me consistently with zero intervention. Test drive one to see for yourself.
too cold you lose range ..... too hot you lose range.
I remember as a kid getting into our 1976 giant Chevy station wagon, freezing and waiting for the heater to start working. It seemed to take forever! The wagon was a metallic green with a white roof, had a V8 and got 8 mpg city and 13 hwy. 🙃
We had a 1979 Chevy Impala Kingswood wagon for a little while.
@theequalizer2727 Pretty much the same boat of a car.
3:54 so many people don’t understand this!
I mean… Norway…
EVs are popular in Norway because they are half the price. Simple as that.
Russia...
@wo-olfUh, nope. Waaaaaaay better infrastructure.
@ThomasKennedy-pt3tpnot better than in many other European countries. What makes them popular is mostly the price. 1/5th of energy costs as in most European countries and way lower car price although Norwegians earn almost twice the average of others.
GHSTSTRSCRMthey didn't mandate anything back then. The price is the reason.
Energy is 1/5th of the European average and cars cost way less too.
A very objective and VALUABLE take on the pros and cons of winter EV winter driving, speaking truth, dispelling myths, and informative
9:31 I agree. I tell people all the time that if they don't have a place to charge over night, then don't get an EV.
OR, at work.
@razvanlexNo work is temporary depending on who you ask
I agree. We had about 3 months between homes where we were in an apartment that only had a single Level 2 charger for the entire building, and that was a rough enough experience that I wouldn't recommend it if you have a similar situation. But if you have a place to charge every night, the pros for EVs wildly outweigh the cons IMO.
Depends on where you live. For me it's still more economic to use HPC out in town to charge my EV once a week than to have a gas/diesel car.
Difference in range is not big enough to be annoying. I lose about 20-25% when it's down to about 5-10F, and that's honestly mostly due to the tires having about 10% lower pressure so friction increases.
@wadalzain5lose your job and you lose that convenience. Happened to me when I bought my Prius Prime.
Happy birthday MKB!! Dope talk!
At 8:07 you can see that the front of the truck is still frozen which brings up another disadvantage at least for my R1T in a snow storm, there's no engine heat to melt away buildup on the headlights and sensors at the front of the truck. I have to stop and clean them off otherwise I lose radar and the ability to see in the dark due to the buildup.
BMW used to have heating there
Replace them with halogen bulbs lol
Cries in Winnipeg winters
I live in Norway, so it gets really cold, and we have a used '20 Audi E tron. Yes, the cold does make the range worse, but we could do a 3 hour trip in -20*c pretty comfortably
350km in -20C? I doubt that.
@wo-olfwhere did you see a km conversion? You're making up a non existent argument lol
@malcewicz3 hour trip at ~110km/h. It's basic math.
@wo-olf I've seen your other comments so I know it's worthless engaging with you, but I just found it so funny that even in your "basic math" you're 20km off 😂
@malcewiczyou can always engage but you need to bring facts. Do you know what "~" means?
What’s happening with those sodium batteries?
they're coming, but they will take some more time
first adoption in small cars, so probably not american market lol
why are you waiting? LFP is already pretty hot!
3:12 This is the message that should be emphasized: most mornings the EV leaves the garage with a full tank, so the "limited range" is rarely an issue.
Agreed. I tell most people that range is never really an issue when you can plug it in every night. Most people aren't driving 200 miles a day
I’m here in Iowa, and the single digits are the norm, and for most winters, it’s in the negatives a large portion of the winter.
So how is it for doing truck things all day on a single charge? Like say somebody wanted to get rid of their ICE 1/2 ton truck and they do courier work hauling 100lb to 1500+ lb pallets around for 10 hours/400 miles or so a day. I know the F-150 lightning wont last until lunch time doing heavy work. What are the charge times like when it actually gets cold... ie -20 to -40 F temps in the winter like we get here on the Canadian Prairies? I know on the 120v regular wall plug the charger cant keep up with the amount of energy the battery warmer uses which is why my neighbour parks his Tesla for the winter. Most employers wont put in a supercharger for their staff so the plug most people plug their block heater into is useless in the winter at work for most people is cold climates. Some businesses have the plugs with 30 seconds of power on then 30 seconds of power off to help reduce costs when staff have 50+ cars plugged in at the employers expense. I hear the 100+ degree temps in Places like Arizona in the summer also are not good for battery life.
This are the things not discussed in the video. An EV and the experience is entirely dependent on where you live and the infrastructure supporting it. Those that have a house to themselves can charge their car in their garage. I live in an apartment and I can't afford to buy a house so I would be spending a lot of time at charge stations. While there are perks to EVs, for many people it would be more of a hassle than a convenience. I'm glad he enjoys his EV, I'm enjoying my ICE car; there are no chargers available at my workplace either.
For that situation the Ford EREV lightning truck that's a plug in hybrid or the Dodge Ramcharger plug in hybrid coming out soon would probably work.
otherwise if you wanted to, you could have a 2 car setup, an EV car or SUV for days you're just commuting to work or running basic errands, and an old gasser pickup truck you don't care about beating up for the heavy stuff.
There's also the "traditional" hybrid F150 power boost which is a 3.5 eco/10 speed with a 47 HP electric motor that supplements the engine, and doesn't need a plug. I have one myself and get between 500-650 miles of range on 26 gallons of gas in Massachusetts
I have a Kia EV6. I remember my old gas cars dropping in gas mileage in the winter also.
Buddy, you are either lying or something was wrong with all your gas cars, they get better mileage in cold weather.
@CRUSADER85 Better milage in winter? Yeah right my 2010 Escape lost almost a third of its mileage when it got below zero. My Dad's 2020 Bronco Sport did a little better when that massive winter storm hit last month but not by much
@Elucidator94 something is wrong with your vehicles I think. My mk1 ford focus goes from 700-800km in the summer to 850-1000km in the winter.
@CRUSADER85 I've had gas cars for years. You crank up the heat that uses more energy which uses up gas. And yes my gas mileage always dropped slightly in my old Acura and Pontiac.
@CRUSADER85 And the BTW, I think the liar here is you. Oil and other liquids are harder and stickier in the cold. ICE engines can lose as much as 25% of their efficiency when it gets cold out because of that. And you're running the heater which also puts a heavier drain on the battery and forces the alternator to work a little harder. So spare us your lies. There's this thing called Physics. Crack a book.
I live in northern Canada and it regularly gets to -40(f and c same atvthis temp) here in the winter. Would it even be worth it at that temp?
If you do, you definitely want one with a heat pump to regulate the battery temp and a garage with a charger. Always keep it plugged in.
@daboom-loweven non electric cars remain plugged in at those temps
you can push it on ice
Minnesota here. On cold nights parking outdoors I lose 50miles. My opinion is indoor parking and charging every night are mandatory. - And the "mileage" sucks cause of running the heater. Sometimes I'll get half the expected miles.
What's the warmest it gets?
I already forget charging my phone some nights not also my car
2:39 I suspect that the Ioniq 5 XRT loaner you had is probably the same one that subsequently got loaned to The Ioniq Guy, and turned out to have a weak cell in the battery pack that was limiting charging and had to go back to Hyundai for a pack replacement under warranty. Just FYI, those lower charging speeds were likely due to that.
Didnt he confirm its not the same car? Regardless. Hyundai's ICCU and major quality control issues make a great car a complete lemon.
I have a Ioniq 5 with 11k on it and the iccu issue is in the back of my mind, everything else about it has been great.. definitely not lemon flavored.
@nitro2525 EV's are heavily subsidized right now so as long as you have a warranty you will be well taken care of if anything happens.
Please do a review of the Hyundai Ioniq 9
We made one last year!
3:37 THIS!!! 1000% this! Where the hell am I going in the winter that I need the full capacity of my battery and will be inconvenienced by the dip? Home charger, 40 mile round trip commute, charge overnight, no impact on my actual life no matter how cold it gets in my state (MD).
Do you go on trips?
@inverted80281-2 road trips per year of no more than 700 miles round trip and we have an additional PHEV for most of those. Family of 5, single family home, so I’m squarely in the demographic to make the switch to EV for 80-90% of my yearly mileage. It’s not for 100% of Americans, but plenty of folks in my same demo are telling me they’re nervous about range and that’s nonsense IMO.
@Rew123 I take my slow-charging EV on trips with family. What I discovered is that the more people you have in a car, the more times you’ll stop, negating any range advantage.
Planning makes for success. Leaving everything up to chance is just weird.
@Rew123 Planes and trains also exist and can be used to visit family however far away they may be. I don’t need my EV to provide ALL transportation in every scenario. It serves my high 80% use case which is driving to/from work and local errands for less money and zero fossil fuel.
Never gone skiing I assume?
dude you is bold to be out in 7° with no winter hat on
I've got a thing or 2 to say about electric cars in winter! Love my Model 3!
Got mine in August and was little worried just because I’ve never had an ev before but I love it. As long as u can charge at home it’s a no brainer and I use fsd 80% of the time, id be pissed if I had to go back to driving all the time
@EdwinSherwood Love it!! I'll never go back from EV 😁
7 Fahrenheit is shorts weather in Calgary 😅
It doesn't really start to feel really cold until -20°F (-29°C)
same up here in Canada
Hey Alberta hasn’t left Canada…. Yet 🤪
People forget you lose about 20-40% range in the winter with a gas vehicle as well.
Yeah it's not as drastic but it's still real
There is a loss but it's not 20%. I drive a Honda Fit in Colorado that gets about 38-39 MPG, and it *might* drop 2 MPG in the winter.
But the benefit for gas vehicles currently is that there's far more gas stations (Especially in more rural areas) and you can fill up in a couple of minutes. I have an EV, but we're going up to Northern Michigan today. The closest charging station is a 40 minute drive. We're taking her car for this trip. I'm hopeful to get more charging stations everywhere in the future.
@gooberman9277 yes, this was mentioned in the video
No, I don't. I fill my tank every 2 weeks like clockwork summer or winter.
"It's cold, don't go far"
I mean, Norway is cold AF and EVs make up like 90% of the vehicles sold there...
bullshit!!! most ev owners in norway have a garage, norway is a big oil and gas producer, they made fuel super expensive and forced people to buy EVs, also there is less than 90% evs in norway btw.
@carholic-sz3qv typical hater comment, intentionally misunderstands the point, weaves in fake info, goes off topic and swears
@openinverter typical gaslighting comment of nothingburger in return. Do you have anything to debunk him besides "go look for yourself"?
@openinverter typical hater comment, intentionally misunderstands the point, ignores the facts and goes off topic attacking the person not the argument.
@carholic-sz3qv, most do not have a garage, fuel is not super expensive (compared to income) and people are not forced to buy EVs. you are right about less than 90% of cars are evs overall yeah, but he said of vehicles sold and more than 90% of vehicles sold are evs.
Both my wife and I have switched to electric (she's got a '22 Leaf and I leased a '25 Ioniq 5) and it's been great in the winters here in central PA. Would never go back.
What are their lowest operating temperature? I know here in Alaska we had a string of like 40 days when it was -40F or lower. Brutal stuff.
lithium ion minimum charging temp is -5C, but they may have thermal protection in an EV
The "cool" thing is -
minus 40F and minus 40C is the same ! So we get that here too in Quebec. Li-Sodium batteries would fare better the Li-Ion -- but even the latter can hack it.
-> at that point, like any other vehicle (EV, PHEV or ICE) : you'd better have it plugged in & ideally in heated garage !
I'm in Ottawa. This year, my Model 3 will be 8 years old. It has done many winter road trips. It's great, seriously. Let the car take care of its battery and yes, range suffers but charging is still fast. Preconditioning from the house before you leave, is a game-changer. Also: @3:25 Clear indication of why no charge port should be on the front of a car. Also also -14C "Super cold" 😀
Sodium batteries only lose 10% of their range due to the cold, they are going in to mass production by CATL in China.
Because waiting 30 minutes in the cold to charge the car is much better the 4 minutes at the pump in the cold lol😂. Make it make sense.
lmao ikr
Because you don't wait 30 mins. You plug it in at night when you sleep...just like a cellphone. I've supercharged my vehicle maybe 15 times over a 4 yr period. All other charging has been done at home.
you didnt get it
he said in roadtrips waiting 30 minutes many times is worse
but that if you don't do roadtrips, plugging the car in your garage at your house is way better than having to pump gas for 4 minutes in the cold whenever you run out of gas
@coscorrodriftyeah...you don't wait 30 mins on roadtrips either. 15 tops...you stop and use the restroom and your vehicle is ready to go. People continuing the narrative that roadtripping in an EV is difficult. That's simply not true. So annoyed at this everytime people make these claims!
@Someone_Cool.x3not everyone owns a house.
That's why a lot of people go for hybrid. We don't worry about range and we get EV benefits like preheating.
The range concern is wildly overblown unless you have an EV with under 250 miles of range and take a lot of long trips. Hybrids add a lot of cost and complexity and maintenance that pure EVs don’t have.
On the extremely rare occasion a gas powered car might be a better choice for a long trip I always have the option to rent one. I’d rather do the occasional rental than put up with the hassles and maintenance of owning a gas powered vehicle I rarely need.
"just own your own charger at home and you'll be okay"