You can't separate the two - politics and the law (and by extension the judiciary). A constitution is a politically crafted and endorsed document and law. It's politicians via political processes and discourse that moot, formulate and adopt it, these being processes only after which can legal practitioners (all the way to judges) make use of it as the ('supreme') law from which other laws can be formulated. Another example too is that of Parliament as lawmaker, parliament being a no less or else than a political creature.
What History, the one deleted and rewrtten by our fomer oppressors right in front of us, changec and missleadfing our children, praising the same oppressors for helping us by freeing tge man who sold us back to tge ssme oppresors😂😂😂😂
Dr Hlophe's impeachment was very political. Members of parliament voted along party lines and not on facts. What Hlophe did is common in law. Judges consult each other or previous similar cases. The problem was, he consulted a wrong individual
If u followed the tribunal leading to Hlophe's impeachment by parliament u will observe that the grounds for his impeachment were extremely shaky. For the record, he was impeached on the basis of a phrase "sesthembelek'nina" which loosely translates to "our hopes are on u" referring to the one Justice of the CC. It is subjective as to what that phrase, together with its translation, means depending on the context and even this can still be incorrect. It is only the person making the statement that can conclusively say what he meant by that. Also, we all know that had Hlophe been popular in the ANC he would not have been impeached as this took a vote. As such, a vote cannot conclusively make someone dishonorable n disloyal. The fact that it took a vote is quite telling as it could have gone either way, depending on the power dynamics of the time. Notwithstanding the fact that is appears nowhere in the constitution that the JSC should be afforded exclusive stringent criteria that whoever is appointed in it must be holier than though, none of all other members have been vetted to ascertain that there is nothing untoward they have ever committed because surely it cannot be solely the element of impeachment that would make a candidate ineligible to this body. At the end of the day, he is only one person with an individual input which would contest or assimilate with those of other. As such he stands no chance to unduly and improperly influence others to the detriment of the work of the JSC. What cannot be refuted is that the country would benefit immensely from the wealth of his experience and academic endowment in the legal fraternity.
@@thejaneramagaga4230 😂🤣 hlope was trying to stop the Zuma prosecutions and interfere with cases ... the high court upheld his impeachment based on the facts ..
And the oppressor is your own people that you continue to vote in like a flock of sheep. You only have yourselves to blame. Don't vote for thieves and then complain when they steal and oppress you. Goes to show what a bunch of buffoons you really are.
The Joint CRC compiled a report and tabled it in the National Assembly (NA). The report listed the following key issues arising from public inputs: • There is unequal and skewed ownership of land in the country. • The security of tenure for farmworkers, farm tenants and those residing on communal land held in a Trust must be assured. • Corruption, an insufficient land reform budget, along with a lack of capacity within the state were mentioned as hindering the land reform process. • The state is urged to formulate a clear strategy for land redistribution to address the injustices of the past. • The Constitution should explicitly state the expropriation of land without compensation as a legitimate option for land reform
Discredited by racists who want SA to return to apartheid. Dr Hlophe's impeachment was and is immoral, to date, we have not given details of why he was impeached except for two words he uttered to his colleagues. Our current justice is losing respect because of their behaviour, even a child can see that they are not impartial.
Disingenuous the call for a selective review of the constitution when there is also a most important issues around section 25 of the same Constitution which now parked
@musamagagula9010 hlope was found to be trying to influence other judges to not prosecute Zumas corruption cases and Hlope went out of his way to interfere .. this is not what a judge is supposed to do pretty simple to understand... on top of that he was impeached for his behavior in trying to interfere in the judiciary and the process of courts ... to try stop Zuma Cases for the person he then ran to to take a political position... now the Impeached Hlope wants to pick the replacement for himself in the old position he was removed from .. that's not logical or legal that'd how state capture happened ... Cadre deployment of corrupt cadres
@selbysibongeseni5888 what about July riots and looting by Zuma clown criminal supporters ??? What about state capture ... what about VBS ... lol 😆 what about you not being able to deal with Zumas state capture judge being removed and then taken off the committee to chose his own corrupt replacement hahaha what about what about ..
@phumlamazibuko3003 ooh it suits you to say black intellectual.. black excellence.. but if the facts hurt your feelings .. we not black boohoo hypocrisy.. you cannot have double standards like that even if you think you are special hahaha
There is no need to review the constitution,the judicial services including NA should all develop service standards for delivery. There is gross encroachment of judiciary as a centre of power into the centres of powers i.e NA and Presidency There is a misleading and wrong perception that the impeachment was lawful,it is not until ratified by the CC. The issue is not a legal matter but a service delivery one. As is now,Judicial Service is delivering services that has no standards. If not properly constituted,it is against judicial service standards,whose custodian in facolitation rest with both NA and the Presidency. The Judiciary seems to micro manage and remote control both NA and the Executive as two centres of power But this is a 'wicked problem',which,one of its characteristic is to fight back with all attempts to resolve it. The NA,team has undergone all the stages of teambuilding,you cannot,at a,blink of an eye just disbundle the unit and think you can add new member who has not undergone similar learning/developmental stages of teambuilding
What is definition what is a law? If it is interpreted word by word than lawyers are not necessary. It is not possible to write every human behaviour into constitution or rules of law. Part of the concept of law is...that it needs be interpreted for what it was created... anyone remember?😮😮😅
I will say politics is right to be involved at the judicial because to roll the country you need to be in charge because if it is independent some party will be involved like IEC for example IEC was independent right now no one trust them all a time we see ballot that is missing when they was an election
He was impeached for dishonesty.How can he serve in any position in parliament, where he have powers to appoint people with ethical and moral values to serve the people of South Africa
You are being dishonest....All members of parliament are voted by South Africans into parliament,...Dr Hlophe was voted for by 2.3 million South Africans to represent them...
@mosesntuli2888 then let's ammend the constitution and the Electoral Act to cater for the tines we live in, introduce a point system that everyone above 18 is forced to vote and will earn points for voting. Introduce new methods to cater for young people and the majority of the population. Democracy as we know it, is a crime against humanity and African well being.
And Hlophe is not the law to himself in that JSC there is other 28 members he won't be taking decision but will be part of decision making what is it that they are scared of
Your point doesn't hold. The factual truth is that Hlophe is not a "tarnished MP." He was only impeached as and from being a judge, not an MP - which he has never been "tarnished" or impeached as or from being.
1)A judge that is tainted, is tainted and simply cannot preside over any judicial decision making 2) A person who is tainted does not belong in parliament 3) the Constitution didn't make him tainted his low ethics did that! 4) with Low ethics, you can't be in a position of trust 5) trust, he destroyed it, himself! Sit down Hlope!
The judiciary is constituted by politicians with a law qualification.Dr Hlophe possess these two inclusive criteria. Once again,his impeachment is still subjudicate,subject to validation and ratification by the CC. The public should not be fed with incorrect information Both impeachment and termination of his employment contract are : unlawful unethical an immoral subject to confirmation by CC. Both previous NA and the Executive defeated the ends of justice by terminating Dr Hlophe's contract of employment whilst the CC appeal application has not been concluded!
Dr Hlophe was robbed, with impeachment ,he went to study spending years educating him self to be the judge the comes the crooks and robbed him him degrees by the metriculents DA,and claver SA ,baze banomona shem ,abanga ukuthi angeke sibone
At this srage SA politics are like a smarty box - blue and red and yellow and if a constituent is not happy with the colour smartie he got, a call goes up for the box to be destroyed. Start thinking with your heads and not your preferences, ideologies, colour codes or disagreements. SA needd that more thzn your jabba jabba.
I cannot understand,this man was accused for working for the benefit of Mr Zuma which he denied!!!! Today this same man represent the Same man MK party. Oh no this cannot be!!!!!¡
You better keep quiet if you don't have a meaningful comment, because politics and politicians are a meaningful Social Science to develop humanity, and Judiciary audit around them all.
In an African court system, the elders who are also fathers of families within the community form part of the jury...how can a person who doesn't know your background, ..someone who doesn't like you, pronounce fair judgement on you...??? ...change this Roman Dutch Law system.
@@mosesntuli2888 Ntuli, the polygamous marriage regime is part of African law...Dr Hlophe himself has written extensively on this subject...go read ..dont be lazy..Mphemba
@@Dazzle-pf7yl majority does not make you correct/right. Less than 100 years ago people thought women voting was a bad idea. Mind you ANC has majority support too, even though its ran by retards.
@@Dazzle-pf7yl majority does not make you correct/right. Less than 100 years ago people thought women voting was a bad idea. Mind you ANC has majority support too, even though its ran by retards.
MK is an vehicle for transformation,using White Paper to Transform public service .Search for Batho-Pele white Paper. One cannot deliver any services that has no standards.These standards are supposed to be in line with the constitution
Seriously with our history we should take politicians out of our judiciary!
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You can't separate the two - politics and the law (and by extension the judiciary). A constitution is a politically crafted and endorsed document and law. It's politicians via political processes and discourse that moot, formulate and adopt it, these being processes only after which can legal practitioners (all the way to judges) make use of it as the ('supreme') law from which other laws can be formulated. Another example too is that of Parliament as lawmaker, parliament being a no less or else than a political creature.
What History, the one deleted and rewrtten by our fomer oppressors right in front of us, changec and missleadfing our children, praising the same oppressors for helping us by freeing tge man who sold us back to tge ssme oppresors😂😂😂😂
Every politician is dishonest
Don't forget section 25
Dr Hlophe's impeachment was very political. Members of parliament voted along party lines and not on facts. What Hlophe did is common in law. Judges consult each other or previous similar cases. The problem was, he consulted a wrong individual
If u followed the tribunal leading to Hlophe's impeachment by parliament u will observe that the grounds for his impeachment were extremely shaky. For the record, he was impeached on the basis of a phrase "sesthembelek'nina" which loosely translates to "our hopes are on u" referring to the one Justice of the CC. It is subjective as to what that phrase, together with its translation, means depending on the context and even this can still be incorrect. It is only the person making the statement that can conclusively say what he meant by that. Also, we all know that had Hlophe been popular in the ANC he would not have been impeached as this took a vote. As such, a vote cannot conclusively make someone dishonorable n disloyal. The fact that it took a vote is quite telling as it could have gone either way, depending on the power dynamics of the time. Notwithstanding the fact that is appears nowhere in the constitution that the JSC should be afforded exclusive stringent criteria that whoever is appointed in it must be holier than though, none of all other members have been vetted to ascertain that there is nothing untoward they have ever committed because surely it cannot be solely the element of impeachment that would make a candidate ineligible to this body. At the end of the day, he is only one person with an individual input which would contest or assimilate with those of other. As such he stands no chance to unduly and improperly influence others to the detriment of the work of the JSC. What cannot be refuted is that the country would benefit immensely from the wealth of his experience and academic endowment in the legal fraternity.
@@thejaneramagaga4230 well articulated
@@thejaneramagaga4230 😂🤣 hlope was trying to stop the Zuma prosecutions and interfere with cases ... the high court upheld his impeachment based on the facts ..
@@thejaneramagaga4230 he is Zumas state capture judge .. 😂
6:00 but members of Parliament are representatives of the community.
Mr Bloem is wrong, imagine as a land voter they appoint a right leaning judge without a representative of my view saying something
Black people struggle but today we control by the
Opresor.
And the oppressor is your own people that you continue to vote in like a flock of sheep.
You only have yourselves to blame. Don't vote for thieves and then complain when they steal and oppress you. Goes to show what a bunch of buffoons you really are.
Why not review saction 25?
the puppets wont allow that to happen
The Joint CRC compiled a report and tabled it in the National
Assembly (NA). The report listed the following key issues arising
from public inputs:
• There is unequal and skewed ownership of land in the country.
• The security of tenure for farmworkers, farm tenants and those
residing on communal land held in a Trust must be assured.
• Corruption, an insufficient land reform budget, along with a
lack of capacity within the state were mentioned as hindering
the land reform process.
• The state is urged to formulate a clear strategy for land
redistribution to address the injustices of the past.
• The Constitution should explicitly state the expropriation of land
without compensation as a legitimate option for land reform
Exactly!
It is not unfair to exclude a discredited individual from public office in fact it's essential to exclude such characters.
Discredited by racists who want SA to return to apartheid. Dr Hlophe's impeachment was and is immoral, to date, we have not given details of why he was impeached except for two words he uttered to his colleagues. Our current justice is losing respect because of their behaviour, even a child can see that they are not impartial.
Yes!!!! No politicians in the Mission!!!!
Disingenuous the call for a selective review of the constitution when there is also a most important issues around section 25 of the same Constitution which now parked
If there's a gab on the constitution how was judgement made which law/constitution that the court applies to find Hlophe on the wrong side
@musamagagula9010 hlope was found to be trying to influence other judges to not prosecute Zumas corruption cases and Hlope went out of his way to interfere .. this is not what a judge is supposed to do pretty simple to understand... on top of that he was impeached for his behavior in trying to interfere in the judiciary and the process of courts ... to try stop Zuma Cases for the person he then ran to to take a political position... now the Impeached Hlope wants to pick the replacement for himself in the old position he was removed from .. that's not logical or legal that'd how state capture happened ... Cadre deployment of corrupt cadres
What about dollar under the mantras
@selbysibongeseni5888 what about July riots and looting by Zuma clown criminal supporters ??? What about state capture ... what about VBS ... lol 😆 what about you not being able to deal with Zumas state capture judge being removed and then taken off the committee to chose his own corrupt replacement hahaha what about what about ..
The constitution will be reviewed for the exclusion of an individual, yet it will not be discussed in relation to the land
Funny how these things are only ever issues when it doesn't go the way certain parties want or demand like MK and EFF .. then it's anti black 😂😂
We are not black in Africa maybe in Europe
Some are pink
Pink pink pink
@@phumlamazibuko3003 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🥜
@phumlamazibuko3003 ooh it suits you to say black intellectual.. black excellence.. but if the facts hurt your feelings .. we not black boohoo hypocrisy.. you cannot have double standards like that even if you think you are special hahaha
There is no need to review the constitution,the judicial services including NA should all develop service standards for delivery.
There is gross encroachment of judiciary as a centre of power into the centres of powers i.e NA and Presidency
There is a misleading and wrong perception that the impeachment was lawful,it is not until ratified by the CC.
The issue is not a legal matter but a service delivery one.
As is now,Judicial Service is delivering services that has no standards.
If not properly constituted,it is against judicial service standards,whose custodian in facolitation rest with both NA and the Presidency.
The Judiciary seems to micro manage and remote control both NA and the Executive as two centres of power
But this is a 'wicked problem',which,one of its characteristic is to fight back with all attempts to resolve it.
The NA,team has undergone all the stages of teambuilding,you cannot,at a,blink of an eye just disbundle the unit and think you can add new member who has not undergone similar learning/developmental stages of teambuilding
Remember the White not like African Tony Leon father killed Simon Mahlangu
Also amend this ,South Africa is only South African ,and those who are legally here
Oh please just cut it off ...he is not fit !
This is about interpretation of the law, not about narrow mindedness and emotions
What is definition what is a law?
If it is interpreted word by word than lawyers are not necessary.
It is not possible to write every human behaviour into constitution or rules of law.
Part of the concept of law is...that it needs be interpreted for what it was created... anyone remember?😮😮😅
@@halinaleonowicz8038 Another emotional statement
@@ndwandwewasendwedwe7964
What is emotional in the statement?
I will say politics is right to be involved at the judicial because to roll the country you need to be in charge because if it is independent some party will be involved like IEC for example IEC was independent right now no one trust them all a time we see ballot that is missing when they was an election
All who say there's a gap are just nonsensical. If the law is silent about anything, the court must not create laws. It's parliament that makes laws.
He was impeached for dishonesty.How can he serve in any position in parliament, where he have powers to appoint people with ethical and moral values to serve the people of South Africa
What about MPs who were part of the apartheid govt and are still defending it to this day?
You are being dishonest....All members of parliament are voted by South Africans into parliament,...Dr Hlophe was voted for by 2.3 million South Africans to represent them...
@senzomemela1311 we have more than 2.3 million people who voted
As a GNU party@@mosesntuli2888
@mosesntuli2888 then let's ammend the constitution and the Electoral Act to cater for the tines we live in, introduce a point system that everyone above 18 is forced to vote and will earn points for voting.
Introduce new methods to cater for young people and the majority of the population.
Democracy as we know it, is a crime against humanity and African well being.
Once,courts enters political arena,lts forget. This is pure political matter not legal.
Well done, Action SA. Fix this nonsense.
Petition need to be done to stop the interview till the matter is solved.
Jikijela mkhontho wesizwe jikijela gwaza mkhonto wesizwe viva M.K 🖤💚🖤💚🇿🇦
South Africans will cry one day. They will remember the sacrifice a citizen UNJUSTLY to please WMC
We cannot have dirty Judges choosing our judges, ever.
Who are you to tell us that
You can't amend the Constitution,just to suit your political agenda
@@muzib457 I know who I am, I'm not a domkop Zuma cult member, you visionless party giving us dirty judges. Mka!
Who are the dirty judges?
The dirty judges are those who sees no crime when millions are found in a leader of states house.
And Hlophe is not the law to himself in that JSC there is other 28 members he won't be taking decision but will be part of decision making what is it that they are scared of
So if it doesn’t suite their their way change it
Tarnished MPs should not be allowed in the national assembly. Rule of law at risk!
Your point doesn't hold. The factual truth is that Hlophe is not a "tarnished MP." He was only impeached as and from being a judge, not an MP - which he has never been "tarnished" or impeached as or from being.
1)A judge that is tainted, is tainted and simply cannot preside over any judicial decision making
2) A person who is tainted does not belong in parliament
3) the Constitution didn't make him tainted his low ethics did that!
4) with Low ethics, you can't be in a position of trust
5) trust, he destroyed it, himself!
Sit down Hlope!
The judiciary is constituted by politicians with a law qualification.Dr Hlophe possess these two inclusive criteria.
Once again,his impeachment is still subjudicate,subject to validation and ratification by the CC. The public should not be fed with incorrect information
Both impeachment and termination of his employment contract are : unlawful unethical an immoral subject to confirmation by CC.
Both previous NA and the Executive defeated the ends of justice by terminating Dr Hlophe's contract of employment whilst the CC appeal application has not been concluded!
@abrahmbore9328 🤣 the High court upheld his impeachment ...
Our judiciary is a joke and democracy is a spectacle
Okay so only when eff mk calls for review then they are named anti constitution
Dr Hlophe was robbed, with impeachment ,he went to study spending years educating him self to be the judge the comes the crooks and robbed him him degrees by the metriculents DA,and claver SA ,baze banomona shem ,abanga ukuthi angeke sibone
At this srage SA politics are like a smarty box - blue and red and yellow and if a constituent is not happy with the colour smartie he got, a call goes up for the box to be destroyed. Start thinking with your heads and not your preferences, ideologies, colour codes or disagreements. SA needd that more thzn your jabba jabba.
The constitution is not for black people of South Africa
👏 👏 👏
Only when it doesn't go a certain parties way .. RET MK EFF types 😂
😮
@@aaronrathbone6693😮
How Hlophes fingerprint did they clean or dirty Da the regim of national party
It's ok for others in SA to change the constitution just to deal with an individual🤡🤡
I cannot understand,this man was accused for working for the benefit of Mr Zuma which he denied!!!!
Today this same man represent the Same man MK party. Oh no this cannot be!!!!!¡
What are you on about?
What about law for phalaphala
Get that criminal OUT of our courtrooms
You better keep quiet if you don't have a meaningful comment, because politics and politicians are a meaningful Social Science to develop humanity, and Judiciary audit around them all.
Do not forget section 25
In an African court system, the elders who are also fathers of families within the community form part of the jury...how can a person who doesn't know your background, ..someone who doesn't like you, pronounce fair judgement on you...??? ...change this Roman Dutch Law system.
Can you send me a copy of the African law
@@mosesntuli2888 Ntuli, the polygamous marriage regime is part of African law...Dr Hlophe himself has written extensively on this subject...go read ..dont be lazy..Mphemba
Soon, you'll be expecting white people to "change" to black🤓🤓🤓🤓. You're a clown
@@mosesntuli2888the tribal council, kings, izinduna...they are part of African law...free yourself from European validation...
@avrilmemela9392 just want to see the full copy,how is the law going to solve cases like murder,rape etc
I hate it that SABC brings issue of Constition mainly because the issue came from DA.
Impeachment= being fired from work. How can a citizen being barred from being in Parliament.
Even on imprisonment, the is a 5 limit.
Laws are created for for specific people this is funny
We don't care, we are here and not going anywhere
Lizobuya lelizwe betanda bengatandi viva M.K 🖤💚🖤💚🇿🇦
😂
Racism and DA are synonymous.
Thank You.
MK is a joke...
Joke with 2,4million supporters?
@@Dazzle-pf7yl majority does not make you correct/right. Less than 100 years ago people thought women voting was a bad idea. Mind you ANC has majority support too, even though its ran by retards.
@@Dazzle-pf7yl majority does not make you correct/right. Less than 100 years ago people thought women voting was a bad idea. Mind you ANC has majority support too, even though its ran by retards.
MK is an vehicle for transformation,using White Paper to Transform public service .Search for Batho-Pele white Paper.
One cannot deliver any services that has no standards.These standards are supposed to be in line with the constitution
@@Dazzle-pf7yl 2.4 out 24 million ya, not so big my friend, they are a drop in a bucket..
"Keep politics out of the judiciary" - My quote of the day
Its ireversible😢
😴
DA is starting the unnecessary wars which will turn against them at the long run & force the real changes for all who lives in this country 😂😂.
ActionSA iz on fire these dayz
The man who speaks here is a foreigner
GET RIT OF HIM SLIMEBALL DELUX