Introducing the Portenta X8 by Arduino Pro
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Portenta X8 is a powerful, industrial-grade SOM with Linux OS preloaded onboard, capable of running device-independent software thanks to its modular container architecture. It offers the best of two approaches: flexibility of usage of Linux combined with real-time applications through the Arduino environment. Leverage Wi-Fi/Bluetooth® Low Energy connectivity to securely perform OS/application OTA updates.
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Find out more: www.arduino.cc/pro/hardware/product/portenta-x8
Raspi making microcontrollers and arduino making computers... Who woulda thought
Exactly my thought. Unless this thing is super efficient in power draw, it's a nope for me. Way too expensive anyway
@@MCChubbyUnicorn Woah I didn’t even see the price. Yeah that’s pretty crazy
Except right now you can't buy rp.
They should collab
@@lorenzothepasta2820 na.. let them be different. The way they are, theyre in competition. And that is better. to grow faster. Else they'll go slow. True if they both work on some one kind of project then they can create something really good. But they need to be separate.
"ideal for behavior analytics for offices and factories" we really are living in the future where big brother is watching
Yes ...
It's funny to see that China was ostracized for doing exactly this. Now, the West considers it as the norm ! Disgusting
It’s an interesting device for sure. There are Arduino plc controllers so the step towards industrial applications is definitely there. Especially if it has good support. Business consumers don’t care if it’s a few dollars extra if ease of use and support for the specific application is there - developer time to fiddle things to get it working will cost more eventually.
uhh yea they do care, virtually no budgeter cares about support, that's for someone else to figure out. All they care about is durability
@@gg-gn3re the entire admin team at our company has high level support services from our vendors as a requirement, they would rather have support on contract for equipment than pay us, the IT/dev team, to fiddle with it
@@drteletubby My experience has been the opposite of yours. Because of multiple vendors ghosting when any support is needed.
So so many times we were given the same 1 page sparse pdf with nothing else in the email and the pdf has nothing remotely to do with what we were inquiring about. But that's all the documentation they have and they don't want to give us any time.
The Arduino PLC's had an appeal because they where cheap and realtime capable. This thing is neither. So people will keep clinging to their rusty S7 series for another century.
The core of industrial PLCs is reliability and afformentions realtime capability. No one cares about how many cores, how many virtualisiation layers and whatnot.
It must generate accurate timings and not "emergency stop function is currently beeing updated, please stand by".
Once installed it has to run for years of decades without incident. The health and life of workers depend on it. There is absolutly no room for hipster IoT BS.
As an industrial embedded hardware engineer my main job is to tell clients that the silicon they have chosen is unavailable, and that I cannot recommend any alternative in any reasonable quantity.
As an electrical engineer with a master's degree, I can just say, Steve best comment ever lol
Who doesn't have at least one master's degree?
@@persistenthustle hello Mr flying!!
Same here. Some manufacturers guarantee that they will deliver within 50 weeks. WTF
Arduino: So we made a serious uC meant for industrial applications...
Everyone: I shall make a toaster with it!
It is a SOB, not a micrcontroller, different is the Raspberry Foundation which spent a good pack of money to make its own chip and microcontroller.
For educational purposes the prices of the Arduino boards are quite expensive, Students and entry level hobbyists cannot learn instantly with something very expensive (unless you already have good money to spend upfront.
Arduino also is only recent few years started making more evolved boards thant the classic boards with the ancient 8bit MCU, all other vendors made clones with 32bit well equipped boards for less price. Now the product line is started to be up to date with 32bit CPU even for the basic boards with the Cortex M0, which is a good starting point.
Btw, Arduino has made impressive effort to help people to enter into the world of coding and electronics, I am not against Arduino. I also own different Arduino original boards and are quite well made and I use constantly because if I dont need to use the other systems but something ready to write and is well worth.
A little suggestion for Arduino is to provide the Portenta boards the box with a basic shield with the I/O as basic kit, because lot of functionalities are into the high densisty connectors, and it is difficult for normal people to have something ready to use on that connectors.
This basically reminds me of the F-Secure USB Armory.
Definitely gonna check this one out.
I love this company and wish them the best.
"A TOTAL OF 9 CORES"
4x A53 + 1x M4 + 1x M7 + 1x M4 = 7 Cores
I feel like I'm missing something here...
Can't wait to have this in my hands...
At $240 this is in a really rough spot.
Most of the listed applications (like kiosks) don’t care about any of these features so they’ll keep using normal PCs and tablets. And I’m not sure if it has enough horsepower to do stuff like object detection as shown. It’s so much easier to send video from several cameras over Wi-Fi to a machine with a GPU.
The algorithms could be trained elsewhere and pumped into the arduino. Very possible
@@mwanikimwaniki6801 why would you do that?
@@LanaaAmor Welp. Saving on processing power apparently. TinyML is pretty interesting.
Arduino's hardware design is open source, you will see Chinese manufactures selling these around 40$-50$. However i still think bang for buck Raspberry pi Zero 2W is better.
@@whatever2144 bingo
1:03 those use cases sure went from normal to dystopian 1984 scenario and back to normal real quick
Beautiful but expensive for hobbiests, well it's pro after all 😃
Expensive to students
How much will cost?
$199 is a total rip-off. But Arduino is usually too expensive, so many better options.
The Italians are always so full of themselves. They charge too much for everything from that country.
China can make a chip like this in around 50$
I never use arduino before a lot of money for that tiny board I was searching for alternative to pi zero 2w as chip shortage but this is too much I prefer Italian coffee maker for that price
@1:03 amazon warehouses everywhere will love your product
Perfect for an autonomous self driving Killdozer.
I hope they made an Arduino and Xilinx FPGA board combination next, providing application programming and logic speed, the best of both worlds.
Right...behavioral analysis.
This seems intended as an OEM component, _not_ for DIY-ers, hobbyists, makers, or even serious 1-off / proto-typers. ¶ For NON-OEM use...: Compare this device's compute-power & price to an _alternate_ _design_ , for example, using a [suitably selected] _low_ -end Rpi4 (or Rpi CM4) _and_ as many [channel attached] Rpi PICO's and/or Rpi Zero-W's as needed for the specific application. Result: The performance and pricing advantages both seem obvious.
Yes, sure. What's the problem? Not all products from them must be DIY stuff.
looks like a cellphone mobo awesome they caught up
it would be game changer
Esperado por muitos aqui no Brasil, agora é comprar e testar todos os recursos.
Um grande avanço para os desenvolvedores.
Não deve sair por menos de 2k
Vamo ver o preço e as possibilidades. Famoso Custo-benefício kk
@@leosmi1 sim, pelo preço inicial de 250 dólares nas distribuidoras oficiais, não tem como ser por menos. Ate pelas configurações da placa mesmo já da para ter uma ideia. rsrs
Parece ser um bom competidor para o Raspberry Pi com todos os recursos em uma placa. Concorrência e mais opções são sempre bem vinda.
Mas... Com a moeda valendo tão pouco... Vai ser difícil de aplicar em pequenos projetos, especialmente porquê o povo aqui no Brasil não desembolsa quase nada para tecnologia e automação.
O Raspberry Pi4 mesmo é coisa de 1200-1500 reais e volte meia já é o suficiente para fazer o pessoal pular fora quando é feito o orçamento. Isso sem falar que povo é muito desconfiado aqui no Brasil e tem muito para amadurecer nesse ramo ainda.
Enquanto isso, vejo que os únicos clientes para esses projetos são lá da América do Norte ou Europa. Pagam bem e nem se quer precisam ver minha cara para confiarem no projeto, nos meus serviços de consultoria e desenvolvimento e fecham negócios muito rentáveis com pequenas automações.
se custasse 250 reais ai sim, maaaaaaaaaaaassss estamos no bostil....
April fools day isn't here yet, someone released this early.
I'd prefer to see pico(s) instead of a stm32, PIOs with DMA have stolen my heart :'). They can multiplex out to each other with custom (application specific) communication protocols writing commands or data directly to DMA using high speed PIO and FIFO channels with interrupts. Not to mention huge internal memory for when the data gets congested and needs buffering. That would be one heck of an edge data acquisition system.
Awesome product though.
Espero con ansias los próximos proyectos amateur con este engendro :-)
its better than my whole laptop
Ideal for: *literally shows everything*
Wow, nice but I just wanted to send a blink command to a second board over wifi. Let's see that will run me 2x $240 without the battery. I'll have to think on it!
Esperando ansiosamente para acender uns leds brabos com essa placa!!!
Perfect for UAV .
Damn ofc this is announced a month after I start moving my product architecture over to ESP32.
Beautiful and a big step in the right direction!
What is the role of the NXP processor vs the STM32? Does the NXP run the Linux/Android operating system, while the STM32 is meant to run user code?
on the NXP Imx8Mini sits the OS (Yocto distri), and the Docker container system. On the STM747 you have the Arduino core with Arm Mbed SO, same as Portenta H7
One is for embedded real-time tasks and the other is for OS level tasks.
it is just a Yun on steroids and with containerisation. This way they avoid the hassle with IoT security and complexity of management the same on MCU vs SoC by throwing money at BOM.
I think STM32 is quite redundant, already have a M4 core inside for real time tasks
@Abe Dillon Correct.
Arduino, one of my two lovers
It’s beautiful 👍
Now your led 13 can blink at a next level
Enormous upgrade woooow 😱😨
I don't get why there would be any appeal for this. The applications it's suitable for allow it to be at least as power hungry as a raspberry pi, at least as big as the raspi, and yet it's less powerful, less adaptable and way more expensive. Only the secure element sounds like an upgrade to the raspberry pi, but that makes it become a niche product for few companies.
It is beautiful
shots fired.
Це виглядає дуже серйозно. Я вражений
Ça a l'air cool
the ability to blink the LED?
What a beast!!
239$ is too expensive ...arduino really need to work on price tag
For a startup or company developing an industrial product $239 is not very much money. This device isn't geared toward hobbyist use.
@Linux user China does not do sophisticated, china makes conveyors go brrrrr..
@@avi-brown license not all that "Pro"
@@ficeto hm?
Really nice for artificial Vison !
Espero con ansia el tutorial del #profegarcia para usar está vaina!! 😂
Quad A53 core plus M4, I don't understand why use also the STM32 dual core.
just one word: wow!
"Behavioural analytics" why does it sound so dystopian?
IoT just got a good boost...Apple should probably start doing this with A and then later the M series chips
not inthe store and cant even find a "buy" button on the website..soooooo ??
Love it!
One question: WHEN?
Nice, ls it already launched? If not when it will be?
I don't need this, but I want this so bad
Where are the 9 cores? I only count 7...
the wireless module has 2 cores. there are actually more cores but we're not counting them
@@supermodernotv Ah, okay. THX :)
Did anyone have a example Ble ethernet gatrway using portenta h7?
Very good, congrats
Preparing the wallet!
Do you have official dealer in India?
can i mine monero on it?
So this is approaching something like the pi, so what sort of safety certification does it have and for which industries?
OMG！This one is arduino??!!How surprising!
Hallelujah!!! ❤️ Thank you Arduino! ❤️😘👍🏼
Anyone knows if there are libraries for codesys?
I use attiny in every project
I use V3S Cortex A7 (Lichee pi zero) baremetal + freertos is enough for everything. look at my profile
arduino: makes a product targeted at industrial users with industrial features like a secure element and over-the-air updates
hobbyists: wtf why would you make this product these features are useless
@You_just gimme me some more onboard LEDs and a analog multiplexer, that's what I need hahaha
Rgb lights
don't forget RTC, gotta make clocks
Thank you. I was reading all these comments and was thinking people are nuts not realising it isn't aimed at them.
Where can i learn to about and how to apply arduino and raspi?
Way to go Linux 👍
madlads, good job!
Pretty cool.
How long will it take till we will be able to run windows on an Arduino?
...because who doesn't love constant unwanted updates?
@@johnlockesghost5592 yo guys, I found the linux user!
@@markinipannini Nah linux user would have figured that one may forbid Win from autoinstalling updates with a single registry key. Probably not some distro kiddie though..
What's confusing me most is how this competes to FPGAs and PLCs already available.
@Abe Dillon Not that much in cost. This board is 240$.
Biggest question is it cheaper then raspberry pi and will it beat the raspberry in terms of performance?
This board has zero chance of success at $239 USD. There are far to many other boards out there with more of everything at a significantly lower price. Time to put the crack pipe down Arduino
Put down the crack pipe 🤣
It's a pro product, it's not for everyone's normal DIY stuff. This combines the sheer processing power of higher-end boards like the Raspberry Pi with the low-level flexibility of microcontrollers.
It's definitely a niche, but it's one that's found often in actual products. It's definitely not that useful for us hobbyists, but this is really Arduino breaking into yet another niche in the embedded products world
@@NoorquackerInd It's actually in a very embarrassing spot, it's more expensive than the Pi Module 4, less potent and has almost no way to expand the IO, if you want to compare it to an RP Zero 2w it's the same case, it's just a dumb product for a niche that has better and cheaper options, at lest with the information that they gave us this has almost no point of existing, the 2gb of RAM (that are probably ddr3) and the size are good things for the size of this thing, but the support at lunch and the prices are just a no to any intelligent buyer
wait for Chinese clone
:))))))))))))))))))))))
to think this was not that long a go ... an now, we complain :) ruclips.net/video/niR97U871OY/видео.html
A beautiful thing for coding and programming. Well done keep it up. Pro is always Pro
Hopefully this thing does not make humans into trouble and troubled because of it .. and may it be the beginning of ease and prosperity for mankind.
can u some image recognition with this?
like libraries with open cv?
Excellent👍
I like the RP2040 more becuse its opennes . and atmel chips, If I need computer I will use a zero. I probably only need this when the size matter or low energi . This citic is on good will.
Arduino Nano RP2040 is one of the best you recently added the only problem with it is not USB c
All I see is a tiny ad blocker.
Edit: Just checked the price ($239); a really expensive tiny ad blocker.
Why is everything so small and high density when the applications are huge like the shown AGV, smart kiosks or agricultural machines? This thing is very likely overpowered for a smart kiosk by the way.
Wonderful device!
Programma 101, Arduino.. 😬
Wild!
Nice move ✌️🔥
yo, how many layer PCB is this thing?
Waiting for its Chinese version
LMAOOO
a new hope
Excelente..!
We got the new raspberry pi acting like an arduino and now we got the new arduino acting like a raspberry pi
amazing
So basically Raspberry Pi zero 2w for 200$ more?
Much more than a Zero 2W, the people that realize that are the ones it's targeted for.
Good but problem is Sketch code
Nice
Impressive! What is the MSRP going to be?
somewhere between too much and way too much
Microcontroller or Microprocessor????
This is great if you want to program in Python. Your Python code will run almost as fast as C would on the original 8-bit UNO 🤣
Similar speed but MUCH higher power consumption
exactly ;-)
Available in 3022!
Arduino pro portenta x8😊
Holy chip shortage, Batman!
YYDS!