HP Z820 Workstation Restore: Sandy Bridge Xeon E5-2690 & GeForce 980Ti in 2024
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Hello RUclips!
This video has been a disaster.
I started filming this monstrosity back in November and finally "finished" it over several months.
This video was plagued by technical and audio issues.
What I ended up accomplishing in this video was to give an overview of the Z820, and how both the 980Ti and Sandy Bridge Xeons hold up in 2024
I ended up using the final specs for this restoration below.
Specs of the Z820 as follows:
2 x Xeon E5-2690 16C/32T @2.8GHz
64GB of DDR3 1600Mhz ECC
GTX 980Ti 6GB
2TB SSD
Windows 11 Pro
I hope you enjoy! (although I can't see how anyone would!)
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not going to lie, drooled at this hardware, look at the copper pipe on the right side VRM and plethora of connectors, so many fun builds and things one could do with this stuff, Thank you !
Thanks for the nice comment!
i'm more of a Lenovo/IBM guy, but have worked on many many HP systems (and Supermicro, Fujitsu, Dell, et c). the 6-pin PCIE and 8-pin PCIE can carry 150W safely (with 224W as absolute upper limit) if the cable and connector are properly to specification. the 2 extra pins on the 8-pin PCIE connector are a ground and a second sense pin allowing the device to demand more power from the PSU. a PSU that has only 6-pin connector ignore this demand and limit at 75W (or 112W safe margin), because the PSU will only see one sense pin (pin 5 i think). the D30 (and P500, P900, et c) series use 16 AWG cabling as standard on all power lines for 12V, and so the physical cabling will allow 150W safely on the 6-pin if the second sense pin is either connected, or short to ground. there are the same 3 conductors for 6-pin and 8-pin PCIE 12V (pins 1, 2, and 3).
but for sure additional current capacity with the adapter will lower temperature on the connector and wiring and will be safe, what is usually dangerous is SATA to 6-pin or something like that because one SATA connector is typically rated for 54W and the safe margin is very small. :)
Exactly. I never recommend molex or SATA to PEG connectors. Way too dangerous for my liking.
I wish the system just had 8 pin PEG connectors natively! It would make it easier.
Yeah agreed, the 6 and 8 pin connectors have a pretty hilariously huge safety margin, a 6 pin (and in turn 8 pin too) can safely handle 275-300w each, excluding the wire delivering that power’s capabilities. I have a 300w silver stone SFX PSU that’s powering a OC’d and overvolted FirePro W8100 (that pull’s probably 275w now) off of 1, 6pin power cable, card has 2x 6 pins but has a splitter going into the single 6 pin cable from the PSU, haven’t had any issues yet, don’t use the machine enough for any issues to show up yet, I’ll have to check the cable once I get around to opening up the machine.
@@thegeforce6625 only real issue in that setup is temperature of the single 6-wire cable at the plastic connector. if that is kept below 125C you're probably "safe" but speaking for myself i would not be comfortable with that. more wires for the same electrical load spreads out the temperature and prevents melting :D
@@chazbotica 6 wire and 8 wire pcie connector both use the exact same wiring, the extra 2 pins on the 8 pin are just a ground and a sense wire, same wattage going through the same size wires on both.
@@Greg1096 i said this in my first comment. the sense wire is used by the PSU to determine if allowing additional draw on the 6 conductor cable is safe via remote voltage feedback and compare. most PSU use resistive sensing but many nice ones have dedicated LV op amp per rail. very cheap PSU can lack this entirely. when this circuit sees the sense pin return a good value, it will allow additional power on the wire.
the bigger issue i see in a setup like yours is it is not dependably safe - some cheap PSU that have low temperature parts since they can be cheap on wire gauge or connector et c and it does not take much for this to happen. 16 AWG and 18 AWG have a big price difference in bulk and $30 PSU shaving pennies with 18 AWG for 6-pin PCIE power might only barely be within safety, but add a 6-to-8 adapter and suddenly geek out the sense circuit to pull possibly double the rating is recipe for bad news. in your specific case this is probably ok with good PSU but not for Apevia or something like cheap ebay 6-to-8 adapter where it can be very dangerous at the connector to melt.
Made my whole weekend!
Yeah right
Love this thing... I would repair the old board just to have as backup. Its rather enjoyable repairing boards... Beginning of video and im excited to see the results....
I unfortunately butchered the repair of the old board 😥
Nice Video, disappointing about not being able to run the V2 Series. I don't mine the long format Videos, Good Job.
The 980Ti is super desireable to me because it was the most powerful GPU ever released with native analog video output, making it super nice to use for CRT monitors (yes VGA adapter exist but native VGA is important for "unsupported" monitor resolutions like 300 x 240 and it also "just works").
I forget about that. I remember the DVI ports on the 10 series was digital only.
I really enjoyed this video, these xeons did great I was impressed.
Thanks for the kind comment!
Having worked on/with Z-series workstations and Dell Precisions of this era:
The HP is the much better system from a design perspective and in terms of speed to upgrade, but it does feel more "nonstandard" as well. Dell, remarkably and despite their reputation, kept the Precision quite close to a regular ATX box in many ways. Both get the tooless design down to a T, and Dell gets some extra points for a better swappable PSU design which feels more like their rackmount products, you can take the PSU out simply by pulling a lever and you don't have to open the case or disconnect any cables, the cables all go to a panel into which the PSU has a slotted connector.
As a general rule, cooling on HP's Z6xx and Z8xx workstations is far better than Dell's design which seems to run hotter and have a worse heatsink design - the dual CPU puts both heatsinks perfectly level, unlike HP's staggered layout, which means the air hitting the second CPU is already well above ambient. HP is also seemingly way more generous with its fans, ducts, and memory coolers. Like for like with the same chip I generally see a difference of 10 degrees or more in core temps under the same loads, which means HP boxes get a slightly higher performance score as they turbo boost for just a bit longer with that extra thermal headroom.
However, Dell keeping the CPUs aligned means there isn't that substantial space penalty when jumping up to the dual-CPU models (i.e. the T7xxx series) over the 3 or 5 series. The Dell is as a result definitely the roomier case compared to HP and easier to work on, especially compared to the dual-CPU Z620 which has the second CPU and its RAM on a vertically mounted expansion card (though also has pool RAM which is neat) and fitting a big Nvidia card in like a 980Ti does not leave you much space to work. The Z8xx, despite being the higher spec system, actually seems to go a bit more conventional and keep both CPUs on the motherboard (as does the older Z600) rather than using risers or expansion cards, which gives you a bit more space, but still less than the Z4xx series with its single CPU. You can comfortably fit two GPUs into all of the Dell range, but with the HP workstations there's some where this is all but impossible - certainly the Z620 in full spec configuration leaves you very little room for that second GPU and cooling for it is in the "I hope you like your cooling fans slammed against the bottom of the case and there are no vents there" category.
Personally, even though it uses more proprietary parts and is harder to upgrade, I prefer the HP design with the sole exception of the Z620 in dual GPU, dual CPU configuration. In general, it's just slicker to maintain and runs cooler. Dell's workstations visually look a bit cleaner with their two neatly aligned heatsinks but using one airflow for both chips is a point that's hard to overlook.
100% agree, I ended up liking the HP design much better than the Lenovo or Dell designs on the similar era machines I've worked on.
I'm thinking of getting a dell precision t5600 to build a gaming pc but I'm not sure how it would perform as never used one
Thanks for making this! I saw one of these desktops (single cpu version) with 32GB RAM for $200. I also saw a GTX 980 TI for $125 from a reputable seller on ebay. A friend of mine wants to get into PC gaming and his budget is $400. I think this build is definitely a winner.
Hmmm with 400$ it might be worth it to see if you can get a newer system now. I'd recommend trying to get an older generation ryzen system if available.
Great dual cpu gaming. really nice system
Love these type of videos. Btw where did you buy the 6 to 8 pin adapters? I have looked on eBay, but only found chinese sellers, selling non genuine versions.
I bought a couple of 460621-002 from eBay. They came from China but seem genuine. Definitely feel well built.
@@cliffscustoms Those are most likely fake unfortunately. I asked one of the sellers on eBay and he confirmed that they were not made/official HP adapters. But i guess if they work, they work.🤷
@@MikaelKW1 Ah darn, I'll keep you posted if mine spontaneously combust!
thanks for the video - i did not realise Windows 11 would install on my HP Z820, were any special steps necessary?
No problem! The easiest way to run it would be to use Rufus to create a USB installer of Windows 11. It will remove the TPM 2.0 and CPU checks from the installer.
@@cliffscustoms - awesome! I will give that a blast!
Se podra con dos E5-2699V3?
give me the thing that u don't want anymore hehe kidding ..nice video
This rig is somewhat similar to my home theater rig, which is a lenovo s30 with e5-2667v2, 10gb RAM (it's what I had), and gtx 980 (not ti)
I'm actually getting rid of my S20 now. Never had an S30.
This is interesting!
Thanks!
set your camera to manul focus so it doesn't hunt for focus all the time
I'll give that a try in the next video. Ideally I'd get a dedicated Camera instead of using my phone.
1687ws are actually the fastest
Ah, I missed that SKU.
@@cliffscustoms 2687w lol sorry miss type