Stonehenge 1986 (South on Two - Special Report)
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- Опубликовано: 5 янв 2017
- A year after the Beanfield, during the summer of 1986, the Wltshire and Hampshire police once again launched a huge operation to try and prevent people from reaching Stonehenge for the Solstice sunrise. This was the year when the remains of the Peace Convoy was decommissioned during Operation Daybreak at a place called Stoney Cross. It was also the year when hundreds of festival goers tried in vain to get past a massive and expensive police exclusion zone covering a huge area around the stones. This is a South on Two documentary about the extraordinary cat and mouse game that was played out that year (and subsequent years) in the usually quiet country lanes around Wiltshire.
The gentleman at 21.05 is a true grand soul and friend to all. My he and all belonging to him be blessed. Xxxxxx
The Gentleman @ 22 mins makes me proud to be from Wiltshire & British. Thank you, Sir.
The old guy at 21:40..outside the court in Salisbury..he truly represents the views of the masses, wonderful response from a real human.
Agreed well said. 👍🏻
fucking king arthur he was. what a legend. she was so unhappy that the system hemmed her in
Dedicated to the old guy,near the end.....👍🎯🎯🎯👍
That old guy sticking up for us all without a hope... well done and said you Sir ... ❤
old dude vs 80’s karen
I remember this... I was there.. I still live in a vehicle... and yes still getting hassle and grief from the old bill and the public
You make me feel dirty just reading it you filthy beast. Please dont point your vehicle towards Hove?
You still live in a vehicle??
All these years ?
You don’t want the comfort of a home? Shower? Bathroom? Your own space?
You don’t end up cold? Hot? Bothered by police where you park?
get a job
@@Canadian_Skepticalget a life
This is absolutely fascinating. Some of these conversations and faces I can remember like they were yesterday.
One thing missing from the copper reading out the terms and conditions of attendance at Stonehenge for the Summer Solstice is the final line, presumably missed out in the final cut due to it making it all too obvious that we stood zero chance of getting anywhere near the stone circle: "And finally, the group currently camped at Hanging Langford will not be permitted to attend," a statement met with hoots of derision. It is also worth pointing out that the arrangements made and so carefully read out to us would have needed the sun to obligingly rise three times that morning, a joke that caused incredulous laughter around the camp for the rest of the day. No wonder we burned the notices.
Another thing I remember is that, as in the case of the girl in the car who asked the copper where he was going for his holidays before saying they had ruined hers, these people were admonished by many of the pagans because they weren't portraying a serious image in their efforts to claim restriction of religious practice.
The young chap who took on the role of chief negotiator with the police and played a very prominent part in every site meeting at Hanging Langford, found himself suddenly harassed, bullied and shouted down when he tried to perform the same role at our post-Solstice camp at King's Somborne. There was a group of travellers already in situ called The Deviants and they weren't too happy with somebody arriving from Hanging Langford and trying to tell them what to do. I actually felt sorry for him as he had done a splendid job at The Langfords, not that it did us any good as we were led a merry dance by the police and arrested for obstructing the highway, a highway we couldn't unobstruct because the police were obstructing it for us.
It really was ridiculous, but in many ways one of the most life-defining weeks of my existence.
Thanks for the additional information.. it's good to hear the wider story beyond the film.. which I think captures a lot, not least the characters. So many familiar faces and voices.
I was there too - you can see me briefly on the video - it's great that the BBC were filming, but I know that it's disingenuous, because it wasn't all of the whole confrontation and the aftermath, where we were all lied to and, I believe, illegally detained. I'm glad that they did show people being taken into court at Salisbury...in front of a strange crowd, some of whom were unexpectedly sympathetic. At least they got the numbers of people arrested roughly right - my own estimate was 275, unlike most of the papers at the time - The Guardian was the most accurate, while The Times was the least.
@@DrMHotep I knew someone that was there too. He told me about this and widened the awareness of this brutality, especially the beanfield.
Luv and Peace.
Yes mate i feel the same about your closing comment, i was in a group of 3 vehicles that somehow got away,we ended up surrounded by loads of vans and were ordered to go to glastbury, we had a police escort to the somerset border.I was part of the greenwich squated firestaTion crew. The woman in the film with long black hair giving it to the police during the forced march[Helen] was 1 of us.
I remember when the police charged the crowd.
We had walked from one of the surrounding woodland copses where thousands were camped. Not far from Stonehenge the police gave out leaflets warning the crowd not to proceed. Everyone crumpled them up and threw them back at the police. The tension was mounting and the crowd was becoming agitated at large police presence surrounding the stones. Just before the police cut the barbed wire to charge a young hippy anarchist climbed one of the bluestones carrying a wolf hair pendant and shouted to the amazed crowd FREEDOM X 3.
The whole thing was like close encounters of the 3rd kind. Helicopters n all.
I walked there from Salisbury yesterday. Went to their extortionate cafe. They've made the roads too dangerous to walk on, no pavements. And all the copses and woodland are surrounded by barbedwire.
Another great tradition of our culture, the gathering of the tribes, supercede by greed and commercialism.
Bless what the old man said about sharing, he must be long gone, people forgotten about that way sadly
Great remembering how well spoken, intelligent, and logical people were then, it seems as though people have mostly lost their understanding of their rights, and their ability to stand up to so-called 'authority'.
Yeah, I remember..... My brave brothers and sisters who came out after the terrible violence and trashings of the previous year...When we were warriors.
I was at stony cross,savernak forest,etc,happy days
The power of the mullet is strong !
"Nothing to stop you walking up to the stones" 😂
Just spotted myself on this,at the 5.43 mark - bloke with glasses, & yellow wooly hat! After a couple miles walk,a rumour went up the line that police were arresting individuals,& some people who had decided to go to the Glastonbury festival very kindly gave me & one or 2 others a lift in their van,where i met up with friends from Wakefield where i live. Mad days!
Hiw awesome to see yiyrself as a young adult
Whenever I hear Peter Gabriel I remember good times way back when we were travelling
Was at Stonehenge yesterday, there was fair amount of people parked in vans to celebrate.
This brings back many a memory of situations like this with the old bill /lurkers / we always stood together us hairy people/now people stand with a mobile 2023 x
There at 18-19. Camped out with a split off group on some MOD land with a lovely bunch. They were shelling on a range near the camp. The buzzies were tossers but the MOD were great. Got told to get out the field with the keystone in or riot squad were coming in at the same time riot squad blocked the only exit. Walked in on the morning. Big eye opener for me at the time. Education takes many forms.
I was there :) guy on a Honda CM125.Still got my stonehenge 86 badge.
RISE UP ONCE MORE PEOPLE!!
Really enjoyed this, thank you
I was there. Happy days.
shit i was only a kid back then, but it really shows the beginning of the end for personal freedom in this country.I look back and realise how much we have lost in this country.Now the only thing that is left is the freedom thought and that is now even under attack when will it ever end the future looks bleak
Vrillon Aura ..pre barcode days when you could bulshit that you had a legit license and an mot lol
Fuck English heretige.
Kevin Thomas ..in fairness people did break bits of the stone off for a souvenir..and the visitors centre that's now there means you can have a decent shit and a cup of coffee..If people hadn't of abused things English heritage might not have felt the need to take ownership...should be free though...and paid for with local taxs
I don't think that it's quite like that! It never was...and for "decent coffee", never mind a decent shit...do you mean the dishwater that is Starbucks?
@@shaunpmarshall they wont let people congregate to party full stop. The establishment doesn't want it, whatever English Heritage want. ALL the free festivals were closed down by police, then the Raves in 94 with the Criminal Justice Bill when people tried to party a different way.
More fire in the guts of Young’ns in the 80s than now
I’m glad I’m in my 50s and still no fixed address
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Nice one. No fixed address in your thinking.
@@socpa yer mate live on the canal now for the last 20 years 👍
was disgusting the way ppl were treated , things have just got worse over the years
Now this brings back some memories.... I remember being arrested for obstruction and spending 24 hours locked up with three of my friends........., charges where eventually dropped .. but bail conditions whre, not to step foot in Wiltshire for 2 months !
What it does not show is that the 'bobbies' were then replaced by stormtroopers. We were buzzed low by a helicopter which ordered everyone to disperse. The 'force' charged, they had cavalry on the flanks. people running scared, falling, screaming, chaos. Eventually we walked back the to the site. Everyone was trying to chill out after all the adrenaline of such scary shit. About an hour later we were buzzed by the copter announcing 'you have 2 hours to leave the site. anyone remaining will be arrested any vehicles will be impounded'. People left. A Lot of people had driven through the night. Everyone had walked at least several (7?) miles to the stones spent however long there and walked the same back. They should not have been made to drive.
Those romans are crazy
Yes I Remember the helicopters.
We were at the back of the site and the last to leave in Liz’s bus…mad times the beginning of the police state for sure.
Where are we now ? As the climate catastrophe is upon us and our freedoms all but curtailed
Awww back in my young days
I would have been 20
Those were the days
Imagine thinking that because you wear a stupid costume you have the power and right to tell other adults where they can and can’t go. Baffles my mind!
Great video thank you
21:15 petty little middle-Englander get a few truth slaps from an old fella on his game. LOL
she was another expert economist also.
big up the old feller and the couple. pity they've passed now and were left with the stupid people.
@@philaldo7332 Her alone and her attitude is why Scotland Feels it wholeheartedly needs independence.
She is so far from the Scottish mentality that it should be immediately obvious why we want to go.
The Scottish are inhernently empathic socialists.
The English seem more motivated by personal gain.
Look at the governments you elect time after time.
THe Tories are a cancer and we in Scotland are done with them.
We're better off following our own Ideals.
Luv and Peace.
she has a rational and justified point actually ! She is NOT against long hair, peace and paganism, she's against living on dole so they can drink, smoke and take drugs all day - whitewashing it over as 'religion' !
He was a sound bloke. Real.
Looking back we can see that this was the beginning of a Police state. Now we have gone Orwellian 1984 and the thought police tell you what words you can use. The police then and now acted illegally. Time for a change.
It’s also illegal to trample all over someone else’s land and being loud and making a mess
What's your view now, in 2024?
Is this your 'version' of what happened at Stonehenge in 1986 Alan Lodge? There were several hundred people at Stonehenge on the Morning of Summer Solstice 1986, there was also a large 'presence' of Blue Uniformed 'Troops' with no 'numbers', armed with truncheons and riot sheilds. We were stood peaceably outside the Stone Circle, behind the fence, whilst the Armed Thugs were inside the Stone Circle. For some unknown reason they were given the order to 'Charge' and that's what they did! They laid into people with truncheons that were just standing peacably, I for one was injured and as luck would have it, the Druids allowed me to go with them into the Stone Circle, ( they weren't being battered and arrested for being peaceful.)
After being nicked, I was eyeing up the man's number, as I'd heard they'd been "taken off" the year before, and he said "There's plenty of time for that love...", 'cos obviously he knew what I was thinking...
That sounds like '88. Not sure what the reference to Tash is about at the start of your comment. He didn't make this.. x
Thatchers Britain...
Just a prime example of the loss of freedom for people in this country. I wish we would all stand up against this police state,as it will get worse and worse for everyone,and the future for the children in this country is getting darker and darker.
At least the range rover,s were proper in those days👍
As I remember there was a lot of hypocrisy in the laws back then. The Police must look back and think its was ridiculous. Also I was near local back then I remember my dad's neighbour being stopped on several occasions coming and going to his work, being threatened with arrest and having his details taken down, totally mad.
I lost all respect for the British police after this outrageous behaviour.
They never showed anything but snippets. First time watching.
the only thing that used to ever happen at the driveway entrance to Stonehenge from that trunk A road was you might find couples fussing over hot radiator caps under the bonnet .. nobody bothered venturing there, glimpsing it obscurely from the highway had seemed ample enough
21.40 This man is a hero for letting that trumped up 1980s Karen know how judgemental and stuck up she is with her stereotypical accusations like he said we are all human and no one is better than the next person regardless of wealth, status and privilege❤️💛💚
first time I have seen this doc
It seems like two very different words collide looking at it from 2019.... I've watched soo many hours of these festivals and frackars between archaic minded square as can be men's men in uniform...IV never got in with men's men and wouldn't think twice about which side I'd be on...helping bring peace love and music anyway I could..bless you all.love you all to bits xxxxx
And there were no stabbings or shootings, in fact i dont ever remember anything like that from peace & music loving hippy's, unlike a certain carnival in london most years
this was national news, if only all we had to worry about now was a few hippys dancing about in a field.
I remember it well .......
I can understand that Stonehenge needs to be protected as part of our heritage so as long as no one is climbing all over them then I can't see the problem with allowing people to have a concert nearby because most of these people are peaceful!!!
So are music festivals - which leave a carpet of landfill behind them.
Some familiar faces there, it was pretty entertaining trying to get to henge, made it more fun almost!
No where near as fun as an actual festival by the stones
Back in the day when some people had balls
21.28 The Grandmother of the modern day 'Karen'
THATCHER,S BRITAIN, good bye FREEDOM and harmony....
22:14 - I like this. It shows the classic British social decorum being challenged, yet also the selflessness and dignity towards each other. Both proud people with strong views that want what's best. They're not taking political sides either!
What a trip down arrestville lane,i wonder where and what some of these folks are doing now? i spotted my daft face right at the end giving a unity fist salute in the police bus,and it sits proudly in my dbs check,woud i do it again? damned straight
I was there when the sun came up..
Interesting times :)
Amazing to think that those kids are in their 60s now, and being abused as "Boomers" by kids today.
Every year that passes the more pathetic the police action as documented in this video becomes. The sad thing is nothing has really changed if anything it has got worse the death of Sarah Everard and what happened at her vigil is a symbol of that.
Never understood all this "obstructing the highway" bollocks. The police themselves were obstructing the highway by parking lorry's across the road, so in theory you could have performed a citizens arrest on the police themselves for obstructing the highway.
Whatever, it was all a load of cobblers, they had the might if not the right.
Refusing to vacate the location after having been warned to do so 6:22 is, or may be called 'obstruction'. You could be sat in the middle of a football feild allowing enough room for a heard of elephants (not many in England) to pass either side. But if warned to vacate or not be there at or after 2PM or you may be arrested for obstruction. Then requardless of the fact there is enough room for a heard of elephants to pass either side. The policeman may arrest for obstruction. The obstruction is the obstruction of his duty to move the person away.
Yeah! I've seen it now - 'cos you can see me straining to hear what Inspector Evans (yes, I will name him) was saying - I'm assuming he's the one in the middle, as I was later accused of obstructing him...how so? This charge, and the one of obstructing the PC who arrested me (hello PC Morse - now I feel that I can say that too...when do you think that you were going to become an Inspector?) were bullshit, as they dropped those charges in court - only going with "Obstructing the Road". They all know that we were off to go and do what he decreed...in groups of 2 - 3 and go to (an apparently OK field in Berwick St. James, where Hawkwind were prepared to play). If all of us could have done that, with Hawkwind's help...I think things might have been a bit cheaper for the taxpayer and better for everyone all round.
@@MikeGreenwood51
Oh! I forgot! They'd already spent all that taxpayers' money (including my Mum's...I've always found that to be hilariously ironic) on funding the whole absurd and ridiculous operation to stop us...going to see Hawkwind play in a field (at best, even if it wasn't adjacent to Stonehenge). Sigh.
By the way, I'd like to say that I wish neither of those two aforementioned gents any ill will, as I know that they behaved properly, while doing their job, never mind possibly positively resisting becoming part of Thatcher's private army...as apparently happened in some quarters the year before.
Hawkwind played at Westbury.
They are also playing Glastonbury today and tomorro.
God that wally at the end she cant see her anger is at her own situation
Darling, we're the young ones
And young ones
Shouldn't be afraid
I love to see a police van on its side and on fire 🔥🔥🔥 !!!
The truth, it was rebuilt not so long ago. It’s the remains of a giant.
Why can't the police just leave the people alone to live there lifes
Police took my keys out my motorcycle and threw them in a field ,took me 2 hours to find them
Scumbags!
Give people authority,they get ambitious with it
I remember the peace convey well, it's hilarious really the way the authorities came down so hard - it really was a-lot of middle class (and often upper class) kids and old hippies, not causing much harm really. What the establishment didn’t cotton onto is these kids grow out of it, the majority anyway. The battle of the bean-field was utterly disgusting, but i also remember the 1980 Stonehenge festival were Crass and Poison Girls were set to play so lots of punks showed up too and bikers decided to viscously batter all the young punks they could, using bottles and chains turning it into a brawl. At this stage there was also an element we called the Brew Crew, complete dickheads off their nuts on special brew that just caused havoc - stealing, fighting and messing with the other travellers primarily. At this point I could see the end coming, the police were a big part of it but soo too were a lot of idiots who ruined it on the traveller side. its weird because when i see the police not lifting a finger against extinction rebellion and things like not lifting a finger when my car got nicked, i can’t see they have the numbers these days . Maybe the peace convoy should start again and see what happens ..? The thing is, imagine if this was all the police had to deal with now, it seems quaint. I had had enough by 87, but then the acid house and rave scene started which was fantastic, but again the death of that was Castle Morton - you have to be wise, i thought at the time what is the point of doing it this big? Its going to be the end of it - and it was …
Th'reet zod ¿? mapman Sam appen coulda sorted thee a route, wrong year tho, pal.
Keep On.
The stones were closed to the public in 1985 because the site was becoming overcrowded with druids, stoneheads, students etc all congregating there and there was a few skirmishes.
They had the rural compound, because the time before, they impounded a load of them in the County police HQ. Not realizing they could not stop them living there. funny as you like, going there to score a draw! GREAT DAYS!!!!!!
If they arrested them all where were they sent? there would never be anywhere near enough cells
Of course now nobody is allowed to visit Stonehenge.
But I don't think you can walk right next to the stones these days.
Which is why I boycotted going there last year...total joke, even if a very earnest man subsequently told me that the rules were for security reasons, since it's a "religious monument" and thus might attract extremists (!)...these days, maybe there are much better, quieter places to go...
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@@muddyfunster1323 Park up nearby and walk! >:0 !
There is managed Access for solstice dawn..and equinox s and winter solstice
2 years after beanfield
One.
1986
Actually there is the very first bit of this video missing.. John Rety Hungarian poet mathematician writer asking what law in this country allows them to stop people going to Stonehenge
I still remember the sound of his voice. I thought the video leapt in
I remember John. Torriano Avenue
All I see here is mainly punters, townies and festival goers, not many travellers. The travellers wouldn't leave their vehicles to be trashed and walk, OK not all but mostly. The bean field was hushed up until the 90s , and then the proper footage started to surface. These people mostly unaware of the be an field in 85. And pigs trying to avoid that again.
Alternative people in general were aware of the Beanfield, of course they were. No one claimed that they were travellers.
@@socpa without watching it again I thought the reporter kept saying ' the travellers' meaning everyone. Might be wrong. I've been reminiscing last few days myself and watched a lot of footage.
I was at both events Martin, but i take your points.
Most vehicle d
Most vehicle dwellers were at stoney cross. Travellers had asked people to turn up in support after all they were the ones who would attend the festival
The fear of the great unwashed, look at the resources they threw at this, meanwhile actual criminals were having a field day while the entire constabulary stood around abusing Human rights wherever possible. I miss Thatcher, you knew where you stood when they wore their fascism as a badge of honour.
we need to stand up and take our rights back and our freedom
Cushdy-Chavy!
"daddy what did you do at work today, Lisa's Daddy built a wall in a garden"
"well me and my colleagues attacked a field full of peaceful people, we hit them with clubs and punched them and smashed up their homes and even had their pet dogs taken away and destroyed"
"oh....Daddy".
I wonder 💭 where they all are today 25 years later ?
35 years ago. I'm here.
Some of us are still here..a lot have passed on..
Still here ..still underground, lose the iphone dont engage, throw sand in the eyes of the bull, dont get caught on the horns of the binary choice/dilema. no tv no papers, dont debate or talk about what the system says you should. the virus is the JIBA.
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I live In chester , I'm now a wage slave, but the spirit lives on 😊
Fucking unbelievable, those conditions are what I would expect in a totalitarian state! Was this the year that the Druids agreed to work with Cops?
7:02 So who here is obstructing the highway?
Anyone (except those with security clearance) staying where they were ordered not to be, 6:22.
Well since no laws were actually broken in the first place there was no real reason for any of this. They were not obstructing the highway before the police caused them to do so.
2:35 'The injunction is in force'. IE, you step in to or on any part of the out of bounds area and the laws of the Court Order, injunction are contravened (broken). The police did not cause them to be there contrary to a court order (an exclusion zone (Injunction)).
We all know that no-one did, until reaching the complete police blockade.
Yeah! But at that time the authorities were completely inconsistent about it!@@MikeGreenwood51
The girl at 15:30 - hero.
Bloody disgusting behaviour from police
Can anyone let me know who these people were, was there a big pagan movement at the time ? I’m not familiar with this event but it’s very interesting
In the late 70s and into the 80s under Thatcher there was austerity big time no jobs rent was high a lot of people were squatting and some chose to live on the road it was cheaper to buy an old bus or ex military vehicle festivals would be the place to meet everyone and every year stonehenge was the main gathering around solstice to party and celebrate life with the rising sun, I lived on the road from 1982 to 1994,great times and great people.
First Name thanks for info, appreciate that buddy! Were you a hippie ? It sounds like that type of lifestyle.. thatcher was the worst 😕
@@nervesinapattern7261 I wouldn't class myself as a hippie I was into the punk/ska scene so there was kinda culture mixing together! Peace loving cool modern hippies and hardcore punks lol but for the most part we all got along 😁😜
@@nervesinapattern7261 check out 85 battle of the beanfield, there you will see proper travellers not weekend hippies. Then jump to Castlemoreton 91 , we outgrew ourselves on too small an island . Britain was frightened at what we were becoming, then 94s CJB. That ended it. Then legal festivals sprang up everywhere, phoenix , ect where the system made a lot of money out of what we were doing for free. That's my take on it . I lived like this till 02, age 32. It was a hard habit to put to bed.
@@martinmcfred6758travellers had asked for support and all types went to henge festival
UK police state
I fought the law and the law won
Still hate Thatcher,
Where it all began to go wrong - middle class bint locked in with her three kids - bitter about other peoples freedom - because she had none
Mmm? Funny or Not? All the voices from the kids are Let us be honest, More middle class ex studenty people! Bless them but no kids from schemes it seems! First time that`s ever hit me! Probably `cause i`m from a right dodgy area in a part of Edinburgh that never see`s the Fringe/Festival!! Funny That?
NO , they were there, but not talking, most of the Firestation crew there were working class. Towards the start,[talking to police at roadblock] check out the woman not speaking with blond spikey hair. She is Firestation philimeena [lateer girlfriend of Willy X], she used to do robberies for the i r a. i hope thats hardcore enough for you. Happy hunting mate [as philly used to say]
@@spiraltype2320 Well that`s a bit much innit! Armed Bank robberies for the bloody IRA! Bit too hardcre if you ask me! So she would not support Glasgow Rangers am bettin`!! Workin` class means theivin` cunts eh! Stereotype mucho , @spiralltype2320
The average bobby must have had a gut full of these ridiculous policies.
however this doesn't half come across as a polis recruitment vid
Hahaha. .my brother and two friends on this ..one being arrested ...excellent