Quick Tip 296 - The Difference in Whites
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- When it comes to paint colors, not all tube are the same. That goes for white as well. Artist/art teacher Dianne Mize breaks down the differences between four basic whites and some history of how they came about.
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After WWII, my dad and uncle started an auto body and re-painting shop. My dad and mom did the re-painting and upholstery and my uncle did the rest. My whole family got lead poisoning, except for me because I wasn't born yet. When dad sanded the cars before repainting, the sander dust got on their skin, hair, clothes, and so it was tracked into the house where the children were. Very sad situation and lasting consequences. Nobody knew the dangers of leaded paint back then, or lead pipes for plumbing, for that matter. Thanks for sharing this video! You're my favorite RUclips presenter!
Thanks for sharing this, Ravenzpeak.
Over sixty years ago my family lived on a farm and the house was painted with lead-based paint I am presuming. I was about five years old and my sister was about two. For some odd reason, my sister enjoyed licking the walls. I can't recall what happened to the inside of her mouth but my mother had to coat my sister's mouth with that purple Gentian medicine. I know that the medication treats fungal infections like thrush but I don't know if that's what happened to my sister's mouth.
I do know that my sister grew up to be mentally imbalanced and maybe the lead paint had something to do with it. Of course she could have just been born that way but she is psychotic.
My father was a commercial painter when I was growing up and never wore a mask of any kind. He also smoked and drank. He too was mentally unstable and developed emphysema and died in his sleep when he was in his 60's. I can't believe he even made it to his 60's.
Yes and using lead now, with the knowledge we have; is just irresponsible
This was one of the best demonstration I'd seen in a while about the different types of white. Thanks
Have fun with it.
Awesome comparison, explained so much! Thank you very much!
My pleasure!
Thank you so much for sharing your ART wisdom’s 💚🌈🌹👏🏻🫶🏻👍🏼
My pleasure.
Very helpful Dianne as always. I have learnt so much from watching your videos. Thank you.
You are so welcome!
This answered a LOT of questions. I go for titanium white 90 to 95% of the time (mainly out of habit). Zinc would actually be VERY handy to have around for the transparency factor. I'm not too fussed about the rest. Brown on the other hand is an entirely different story, brown hues are my obsession lol.
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Thank you Dianne. This was very helpful. I love your steady way of problem solving. Very cool!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
This really helped! Going through all your tips first, before I do the lessons so all will sink in better. Thanks again!
If you practice each of them right after you watch, it will stick more easily. I'm delighted you're finding these helpful.
Thank you very much for illustrating the differences for all of us! Good video!!
My pleasure!
Thanks for sharing your insightful knowledge, Dianne.
My pleasure. Thanks for watching.
Stunning explanation. Thanks a lot for sharing! 🙏🏻
My pleasure!
That was most helpful. Thank you so much for your lessons.
You're very welcome!
Just a heads up: That Flake White Sub isn't that close to actual Flake/cremnintz white. I have a tube of Blue Ridge Cremnintz White, and its more transparent and closer to the zinc white as far as the color saturation with the mixture shown in the video. So if you want the transparency but not the brittle aspect, actual flake white is a good option. Just wear gloves if you're a messy painter like me 😅, and also be sure to follow your slow dry over fast drying rule if you're using it in tandem with a titanium white.
Also, I looked up the pigments for Gamblin Flake White Sub, as I wanted to see what else they put in it to make it transparent, but they didnt list anything other than titanium white. It can't be single pigment titanium, due to the transparency, so it must be another filler pigment like barite. Barite is super transparent, buff colored, and has that warm undertone. "Filler" sounds derogatory but thats not necessarily bad, you can also call it an extender. Barite + Titanium, that's my edjucated guess!
Thanks for adding all this. In the long run, it comes down to a personal choice of the artist. But it's always wise to know which pigments and binders are in the paint you use.
@@IntheStudioArtInstruction Thanks for all your videos! Incredibly helpful, Ive been putting all the ones Ive watched so far to use 😁
In my 85 years, I've never heard of " fast dry over slow dry" rule! PLEASE EXPLAIN !?
@@robertchilders8698 dyslexia. That is the explanation. lol.
Very informative to help me understand what I needed to buy for gouache. Thank you for sharing.
My pleasure! Enjoy the journey.
Hello from Spain, I'm a little confused about what tonal accents are, I'm a begginner and your tips have being very helpful.
An accent is simply a small contrast that calls attention, so a tonal accent is a small contrast of value.
Very clear and helpful. Thank you. Ruth
You are so welcome!
Thank you. White is the most used colour. Very interesting lesson.
You are welcome!
Hi great video, there is another but less commonly used white pigment available for oil painting. Pw5 sometimes called porcelain white, might be worth trying. Planning on getting a tube once I've worked down other tubes
Thanks for the tip!
Damn! I should have paid attention to my subscription incomings... I've just ordered 500ml of Zinc white. After watcing this, I realise I should have stuck with Tiatnium, whch I've always used, lol. But hey, adaptability. Thank you so much Diane, your videos are great.
That's a load of zinc white! 😮😊
And i should have bought the Flake Sub
Very informative. Thanks again! I looked but didn't see one, did you do a QT for the various blacks?
Susan, since I use very little black, I'm not familiar with all the tube color options. I can mix whatever black I am seeing with complements, so the only use I have for black in my painting is changing the nature of the hue of another color. (Example: the olive color resulting from black & yellow) My black of choice for that is ivory black.
@@IntheStudioArtInstruction That makes perfect sense. Thanks for the reply. :)
Great video once again! Now I know why some of my colors look different when using zinc white or titanium white. I do have flake white and had no idea it's toxic. The more you know....
Yep, that's how it goes. Thanks for watching.
Thank you for this tip. It cleared up a lot of confusion. I use titanium white as my go to but I find it to be very stiff. I add a bit of linseed oil for brushability. Is this a good idea? Do you have any other suggestions as to how to make it more easily “spreadable”?
Adding a bit of linseed oil is just fine.
How do you keep your paints from drying out? I put mine in the fridge, but yours are too large. Fantastic lesson, as usual.
Rachel, see Quick Tip 115.
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You spoke of the brush-ability of different white paints, which do you prefer for ease of use and results?
Kathleen, my choice is Gamblin's titanium white.
kathleen, my choice is Flake White!
How about Winsor & Newton's Iridescent white? Apparently it would put sparkles on snow. Did not try it yet, but I did buy it.
I'm not a big fan of additives in paint that add effects, but I respect other's choice to use whatever colors they choose. Personally, it's more fun to create snow sparkle with color techniques.
I love lead white, I am not worried about the toxicity, not planning to eat it or handle without gloves, same applies to the cadmium colours.
Most folks who use lead white feel the same way. There's nothing so beautiful as our individual uniquenesses.
Lead is way more toxic than any cadmium
Using zinc white on a solid ground like a board makes it less likely to crack than on a flexible canvas.
Any solid ground prevents the kind of cracking caused by a surface being flexible. Zinc white, though, tends to be more brittle than titanium white, making it more likely to crack rather than less.
Thats why I paint on well sealed 1/8 inch plywood! much better control and more durable than canvas! All told it is cheaper and can be hung without an expensive frame! My paintings use the extremes of Glazing to very thick impastos, to get more depth! I use epoxy putty for a " raised surface effect" to give it a 3-D Effect!! Similar to " embossing"! Never yet found anyone doing oil paintings this way! If you have heard of it, please let me KNOW!😊
For mixing, I use zinc. For bright highlight, I use titanium. Is that a good setup? Since you mentioned that titanium when dried, sinks in - would that make the highlights less highlight-y?
Zinc white is a bit more transparent than titanium and it does have a tendency to become brittle with time. Most opaque colors are going to sink in, but you can bring them back by oiling out. See Quick Tip 222. The more opaque a white is, the better it behaves as highlights.
I realized that I had bought a vivid white mistakenly. Is vivid white different from that other whites in the video or just a indebendently color ?
I'm not familiar with Vivid White. Several companies formulate specialty whites, so I assure the same is true with your Vivid White.
What brand is it?
I once found a need ( or an excuse ) to add a bit of oil to Titanium white, but had no Linseed. I did not want to go into town to an art store ( 80 miles away) so I used diesel. To my amateurish mind I thought..hmmm not bad. Would you know from looks that diesel was used?
Diesel is not refined, containing contaminates that can cause the paint to break down in time.
Did you just use two lots of flake white,and not titanium,or,am I going a bit nutty?
I unconsciously said one thing, but meant another. I hope that text insert clarified that.
How I remember:
Titanium = The Titan eats the chroma
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How do you create sparkle on snow with color techniques?
You can achieve that sparkle using techniques for luminosity as shown in Quick Tip 275. The sparkle shows when there is direct light shining on the snow. If your get the shadows the right value, the for those area in light, alternate between warm and cool white, I think you will be amazed.
Thank you so very much for your answers. I really appreciate it. I will go back quick tip 275.⚘
Thanks to explanation
You are welcome
Hi , could you please demonstrate how to mix light red colour? If I mix any red with white the result is pink. I don’t want pink but light red though. Thanks, Sonja
Try adding a bit of a warm color to the mixture. White will cool any color it is mixed into, but we can add that warm back with a bit of warm color. Experiment with which warm it needs to be: a yellow, yellow ochre, cadmium yellow deep, cadmium orange, etc.
White is a cool color
Speaking of white...this may be a crazy question but is there another method for lightening a color without using white so as not to lose the 'color'? It seems to me that white makes the colors less vibrant and more milky looking, which is great is that's what's intended, but I wanted to show the warm reflection of light off of an apple and so I used red mixed with various amounts of white on the apple to make a gradient leading up to the highlight and the gradient was a disappointing milky pink color. The white highlight however looked great. Lol
Adding while does slightly cool the warmer hues, but if you add a bit of yellow with the white, you can restore that warmth.
@@IntheStudioArtInstruction Thank you.
Yellow and white can help. White cools a color like a blue.
I love your videos and advice and you have way more experience than a novice like me. But I don't think you're providing a true reflection of different white pigment comparisons in this video as essentially you're comparing different versions of PW4 (zinc white) and PW6 (titanium white) chemical pigments. The flake white sub is still PW6, and not actually comparing the benefits of true lead white (PW1). There are valid reasons why many professional artists still use lead white (e.g. longevity), while acknowledging it's toxicity, and would never use zinc white under any circumstances if they're interested in the archival properties of their pieces.
I appreciate your argument and do not disagree. My intent here is to give general characteristic comparisons with the most commonly whites by the vast array of artists who watch these videos. I will note that it is not just the pigment that determines the white's characteristic, but the processing of the pigment and the binder.
I have a good one for you Prof: What is Houding. I heard it mentioned by some art lecturer when describing a Rembrandt Portrait of a Monk, and got the impression that it had something to do with atmospheric perspective; alas, a Dutch word that means a whole lot more. I'm looking at you Houdini.
I have no idea. The term is not one I have encountered, it is not listed in any of my history books nor does Google produce any results for it.
However, then Dutch word "houden" gives us a few more clues ( dictionary.reverso.net/dutch-english/houden ), but still not anything I can hitch to Rembrandt's Portrait of a Monk, unless it had to do with keeping the memory of his son, Titus.
@@IntheStudioArtInstruction The painting in question was indeed Titus as a monk. I wish I still had a link to that video, alas, the great internet river swallowed it. I will do my darndest to find the meaning and share it with you. Thanks.
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Hi Dianne, just need point out that you refused the flake white on the tittanium slot,
Sorry for being picky,love your videos.
Regards, Chris, U.K.
He meant "re-used"
I know. I discovered that after the video was produced.
Diane - I love your videos and always enjoy and benefit from your informative tips ... -but - .... Flake white is only toxic IF ONE EATS IT ....otherwise - it poses no harm if artists are careful with it .... it will not cause any harm - thanks for all your wonderful videos ;)
May I add one thing to Flake White's toxicity. A scratch on your hand can absorb the lead. Thanks for watching.
@@IntheStudioArtInstructionI was wondering why my fingers were turning black and falling off!
I really like permalba actually. John Howard Sanden uses it and he’s pretty good, his pictures are in the White House (pun intended).
For years I've been an admirer of John Howard Sanden's approach to portrait painting.
Just a beginner. Thank you.
You're very welcome!
Guess what else is toxic. Walking down the street. But we never think of that. If you eat the paint or get it on your skin it's not good. Can anyone guess what the solution is?
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European royalty- I survived lawn darts as a kid back in the good old days. I think I will survive lead white. Of course van Gogh ate his lead paints and cut off an ear so maybe I should stick to Titanium.
What a terrible metaphor. Walking down the street isn't toxic, it "can" be dangerous DEPENDING on specific & rare circumstances. Lead has a waaay higher probability of being dangerous without the needing a set of circumstances, bc it's INHERENTLY toxic. Lead paint emits fumes that you can inhale and let's not pretend we don't all get paint on our hands & clothes when we're working on the canvas. Once the paint ages & gets old, it can create lead air pollution indoors. If left untouched and in good condition, lead-based paint "may" not pose a significant hazard to health. But we DO touch paint and if it was easy to keep it in good condition, we wouldn't have the toxic warnings attached to it. If it gets chipped or deteriorates, the paint can create dust, chips and suspended particles that can be inhaled. But sure, let's try and guess the solution bc relying on guesses, instead of scientific advisory, is always the way to go
I wouldn’t compare using lead paint to walking down the street, that’s just silly
@@nickfanzo It wasn't a direct comparison. Getting poisoned by led paint or cadmium or any other paint is the hight of silliness. One deserve's what ever health problem's arise's from such silly action's, in my opinion.
Using lead at this point is incredibly selfish and irresponsible. You’re washing lead down the drain and the water is going into ground water systems and drinking water. I used lead for a while and it’s just a bad idea, the risk involved is just silly when you consider how you may carry it all over the house and not even realize it.
Good point, Nicolas.
I don't think many folks will wash brushes with water in general, but a good point to the environmental effects to consider using these metal-based paints, which includes cobalt and cadmium.
there is some hysteria around the subject of lead white.
WOW! I didn't know that!! My well water is extremely dangerous and unfit to drink! BUT THERE IS NO LEAD IN IT! From agriculture run- off!
Maybe this is controversial, but I hate titanium white. I really do.
Ideally, I would like a warm somewhat translucent white. Closest that I've seen are Vasari Brilliant Yellow Extra Pale & Sennelier Titanium Buff. But they're not commonly available :(
Why do you hate it? Have you tried Gamblin or Rembrandt titanium white?
@@IntheStudioArtInstruction I hate titanium, because I usually mix it with colors for the parts of the painting that get hit by light. Titanium just mute the colors' vibrancy, and make them feel cold :( I haven't tried Gamblin or Rembrandt, does the brand affect the quality much since I thought titanium is an easy pigment to create?
I have to disagree with her....Be smart not scared
Smart works, too.
Washing lead paint down the drain, especially in areas with well drinking water and septic systems, is incredibly irresponsible