Axis and Allies 1942 THIRD Edition (Larry Harris Gen Con 3.0 setup)

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  • Опубликовано: 15 янв 2025

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  • @samthomas31
    @samthomas31 3 года назад +27

    Thanks for doing this video.
    Now that I have more games under my belt, I do like Larry Harris GenCon 3.0 setup, plus it should be good to learn since it is what is used in Rank games.
    Beamdog data collected from games shows the percentages:
    1942 2nd Edition out of the Box (Online Games)
    Allies Win Rate: 35%
    Axis Win Rate: 65%
    Larry Harris Gencon v3.0 (Online Games)
    Allies Win Rate: 45%
    Axis Win Rate: 55%
    I find those to be very telling in those small changes to be a better balance.

  • @christopherwilson2606
    @christopherwilson2606 3 года назад +16

    Didn't know about 3.0. Glad the imbalance was addressed. I'd like to see your take on the Anniversary Edition, although the imbalance isn't as bad.

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  3 года назад +5

      Thanks for watching! I'm glad it was helpful. I'll be taking a closer look at the AA50 version at some point, but right now all the attention is on 1942.2 / 3.0 because of the Beamdog offering.
      Do you have any specific questions I can help with?

    • @christopherwilson2606
      @christopherwilson2606 3 года назад +5

      @@BoardGameNation Looking forward to those Russian opening move videos.

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  3 года назад +2

      So am I! :)
      Thanks for watching!

  • @XBrycent
    @XBrycent Год назад +3

    Great video. I’ve been eyeing A&A for years and I finally had my buddy over to teach me how to play. He has been playing since the 80’s. I obviously got smoked but it was a fun time. I’ve been on a deep dive on this channel learning everything I can. I think I may recommend we run the 3.0 setup when we play again and I might grab the app to practice in the mean time.

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  Год назад

      Awesome! Welcome to the game!
      The 3.0 setup is much more balanced. It should definitely help. Make sure you also check out some of our strategy videos! They will help surprise your friend in your next war.
      Thanks for watching! Let us know if you have any questions along the way.
      Good hunting!

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  Год назад

      Awesome! Let us know if you have any questions!
      Thanks for watching!

  • @danrlc
    @danrlc 3 года назад +2

    Looking foward to see more about this Larry Harris 3.0 gencon setup in relation to the possible openings and strategies

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  3 года назад +1

      Funny you should say that! I'm working on that right now. Stand by!
      Thanks for watching!

  • @joeyjojojunior1794
    @joeyjojojunior1794 11 месяцев назад +3

    0:55 I like how he does sign language to help the hearing impaired.

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  11 месяцев назад +1

      I don't know about the hearing impaired, but if I were to stick my hands in my pockets, I would stop talking. 🤣🤣🤣
      Thanks for watching!

  • @z000ey
    @z000ey 2 года назад +1

    Nice and thorough explanation.

  • @ethanstewart8841
    @ethanstewart8841 Год назад +2

    Can you talk about the anniversary edition?

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  Год назад +1

      That is a great game! So far, all we have done on AA50 is in this longer video. If you use the chapter guide, you can jump right to that section.
      ruclips.net/video/7kVessTrJnk/видео.html
      Thanks for watching!

  • @samthomas31
    @samthomas31 3 года назад +3

    Yeah would love to see videos on the Axis side and the Allies opening moves.

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  3 года назад

      I interviewed the CEO of Beamdog and asked him that exact question. Here is what had to say:
      ruclips.net/video/3ll6iNr0YRA/видео.html

  • @brendanpang4059
    @brendanpang4059 3 года назад +2

    The reminder I didn't know I needed that the setup in A&A Online ranked is not the OOB setup of the physical board game. My first exposure to A&A 1942 2nd Ed was through the online version

  • @aardvarkpepper7660
    @aardvarkpepper7660 Год назад +2

    BTW congrats to Gary Blevins for being part of #1 placing team for 1942 Second Edition at Spring Gathering XXI, 2023.

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  Год назад +2

      Thank you! I am working on recreating the games from the World Championship at Gen Con in my studio to turn into videos. I have the first round shot and I am working on the voice over now. It should be interesting!
      Thanks again!

  • @sandal_thong
    @sandal_thong 2 года назад +1

    I see _Manhunt_ in the background. Someone got that for me from a yard sale when I was a kid, but it was missing pieces. I happened to mention it at the game store a week or so ago; maybe I saw it subliminally? I also mentioned _Electronic Detective_ and _Stop Thief_

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  2 года назад

      I picked that up from an estate sale last year. It seems to be a complete copy that has only been played once or twice. I haven't tried to play it yet.
      I have been toying around with idea of a series of video (maybe a whole separate channel) devoted to vintage board games like Manhunt.
      Thanks for watching!

    • @sandal_thong
      @sandal_thong 2 года назад +1

      @@BoardGameNation I went through a period (maybe after Avalon Hill folded) when I was looking up old MB games from the 1960s and '70s. I had _The Game of Happiness_ (similar to Life) from a thrift store for awhile. I picked up a copy of the original _Battle Cry_ from the 1960s as well as _Air Empire_ and _Broadsides,_ though I didn't get WWII's _Hit the Beach_ or the Revolutionary War game, _Skirmish._ I did get _Sub Search_ a 3-D version of Battleship that I played twice (and lost both times). Some time after this, I think MB only wanted to re-release their hits, or create a Candyland-style game that fit in with the latest TV show or movie.

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  2 года назад +1

      Sounds about right. Looks like you have a terrific collection!

    • @sandal_thong
      @sandal_thong 2 года назад +1

      @@BoardGameNation If you got the time and the games, then you might as well do it before someone else does.

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  2 года назад

      We will see. I don't have nearly the collection you do. Plus, I'm not sure how many people would be interested.

  • @Desert-Father
    @Desert-Father Год назад +2

    I think the Avalon Hill Anniversary Edition 1941 option is best out of the box balanced game.

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  Год назад +3

      You might be right! There is big news coming next from Renegade about that version! I'll definitely be watching that!
      Thanks for watching!

  • @DrBadassBRB
    @DrBadassBRB 3 года назад +1

    Great video!

  • @BoardGameNation
    @BoardGameNation  3 года назад +5

    Thank you for watching our walkthrough of the Axis & Allies 1942 Larry Harris GenCon 3.0 Setup! What questions do you have about this setup? What other topics would you like us to cover?

  • @frankgulla2335
    @frankgulla2335 11 месяцев назад

    Gary, has there been any work done on balancing Axis & Allies combo game: (194?) Europe/Pacific initial setup. It seems that every time our group plays, the Axis have a pretty easy time rushing Russia and holding off the USA.

  • @ceoavenger9500
    @ceoavenger9500 2 года назад +2

    Is there any in person AnA tournaments this year? I want to compete but don’t know any information about the tournaments

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  2 года назад +1

      Great! There are a number of events this year. GenCon and the Spring Gathering are two big ones run by Greg Smorey. You can find out more about those at his website:
      headlesshorseman2.com/index.html
      There are also a few regional events that you might enjoy. What is your closest major city?

    • @ceoavenger9500
      @ceoavenger9500 2 года назад +1

      @@BoardGameNation Detroit

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  2 года назад +2

      I don't know any specific groups in Detroit, but you are pretty close to Cincinnati and Indianapolis. We would love to see you there.
      Make sure to check out Greg's website for all the details.
      Thanks again for watching!

  • @Teflon-um8bn
    @Teflon-um8bn Год назад +1

    BGN, thanks for this concise and insightful summary of the 3.0 changes. Although I have not attended Gencon, my initial impression is that all these changes turn the balance in favor of the allies and make the game more imbalanced. I have played 2nd Ed. numerous times and, if you were playing with an experienced player, it is very difficult for the axis to win as is. Japan can never get to Moscow and Germany loses Africa and all of S. Europe to the Allies and Berlin gets strangled.
    What would help is a discussion of what made the experts think that the game was imbalanced in favor of the axis. Was there one or two axis strategies that were time-proven to always result in Domination? A discussion on that would be very interesting content to see.

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  Год назад +1

      That would be an interesting discussion. What I can say for certain is than when players bid for sides in the 1942.2 tournaments at GenCon, it typically end with the Allies getting an additional 6 IPCs worth material --- on topic of the changes that appear in the 3.0 setup!
      I am working a video that will focus on various Axis strategies for 1942.2. I hope to have that available in the coming months. In the meantime, this might help. ruclips.net/video/fh7OZV3x4l4/видео.html
      Take a look at the Japanese play and how devastating a full attack on India can be.
      Thanks for watching!

    • @talcat8031
      @talcat8031 Год назад

      Out of the box set up axis are brokenly op. Germany shouldn’t need japans help to take Moscow unless Japan is being completely ignored and in that case Japan can take Moscow.

    • @talcat8031
      @talcat8031 Год назад +1

      Like he said average bid is still +6 for Allies even w lhg3.0 set up

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  Год назад +1

      Try the 3.0 setup and let us know what you think. Thanks for watching!

  • @jasonclift7253
    @jasonclift7253 3 года назад +1

    Grat job again - Is there a way or do you have a video already of how to set up a private online game - When I try to set one up, people jump on before my family can. I'm sure it's obvious, but I haven't figured it out yet

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  3 года назад +1

      Thanks for watching!
      I had the same issue. This is one feature of 1942 Online that I wish were more intuitive. Here is how you do it:
      1) Make sure you are "Friends" with everyone you want in the game.
      2) Click 'Online'. Then, 'Create Custom Game'. This will open the game creation screen.
      3) Assign yourself to whichever power/s you want to play. In the middle of the screen in white you will see "Game Privacy". The default is Public. Change it to Private. When you do, the button on the bottom right will change to "Invite Your Friends".
      4) Now you should see a list of all your friends on the platform. You can invite as many people as you have powers remaining. After you have selected everyone you want to play with, hit "Send Invitations"
      5) Here you get a pop-up window. Be careful here. Double check that everything correct and HIT THE 'X'. DO NOT hit LEAVE or MAKE PUBLIC. If you leave the game will be deleted and you will have to start all over. If you hit, 'Make Public' anyone can join the game.
      When your game is full, it will start automatically and everyone will get an email.
      If you want to invite one or two friends and then open the game up to the public, you can do that too. Once your fellow Generals have joined the game, go back to the pop up window and click 'Make Public' and you'll pick up some players. Again, once the game is full it should start up automatically.
      I hope this helps, let me know if you have any issues! Good hunting!

    • @jasonclift7253
      @jasonclift7253 3 года назад

      @@BoardGameNation wow - thank you very much for the help - maybe i will see you on there one day and see if the student can hang with the teacher :)

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  2 года назад

      Sorry for the slow reply. For some reason, RUclips marked your reply as spam.
      Anyway, I hope to see you there as well. Love to get in a game if we can.

  • @ronferia7806
    @ronferia7806 Год назад +1

    Did you ever play fortress america

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  Год назад

      That is the only game in the Game Master series that I haven't had a chance to play! I need to fix that!
      Thanks for watching!

  • @tylerbell6796
    @tylerbell6796 Год назад +2

    I like the attempt to make the game more balanced but I’m not a fan of how it impacts the historical accuracy (like moving a German bomber to Ukraine to start the game). The historical analogies are one of the best parts of the game.

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  Год назад

      I completely understand and if you and your friends want to play it that way, enjoy! The various ways to play is one of my favorite things about the whole A&A franchise.
      Thanks for watching!

  • @kidzg6856
    @kidzg6856 3 года назад +1

    Hey BGN quick question what table do you use to play Axis and Allies? Thanks. Also keep up the good work :)

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  3 года назад

      I have two of these adjustable height desks. www.ikea.com/us/en/p/skarsta-desk-sit-stand-white-s89324812/
      I use one for my working desk and the other for shooting the unboxing videos. When we finally get a chance to actually play a big game, we use one of these. If we are going to play Global or TI:4, we can use both tables pushed together.
      I love that I can adjust the height while I'm working, for shooting, or for playing different games.
      Hope this helps! Thanks for watching!

    • @kidzg6856
      @kidzg6856 3 года назад +1

      Thanks appreciate it. May God continue to bless you, and your channel. Thanks again

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  3 года назад

      Thanks for watching!

  • @richieforce1119
    @richieforce1119 3 года назад +2

    Hmmmm.... I like those changes, I will try them out. Since India got 2 extra Infantry I think that the Japanese will have some struggles taking India, because normally or at least in my games India falls already in Turn 2 or one. Also the same thing with the Atlantic in my games Germany just munches through the British ships like they are just cookies and cream.

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  3 года назад +1

      Hey! Great to hear from you!
      The UK Navy definitely has a hard time in the early game. However, when they join with the Americans that can quickly become a handful.
      Are you back in school yet?

    • @richieforce1119
      @richieforce1119 3 года назад +1

      @@BoardGameNation Yes I am back in school and even had my first exam two weeks ago and I got vaccinated, what about you?

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  3 года назад +1

      Glad to hear all of that. We got our vaccines in April. My wife just got her first booster.
      It must feel good to be back in school instead of stuck at home all the time.

    • @richieforce1119
      @richieforce1119 3 года назад +1

      @@BoardGameNation Well If I am completely honest I am not that happy, because my Latin teacher was sick for 2 weeks and now she is pumping out homework and revisions because exam is coming in like 13 days

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  3 года назад +1

      Yeah, school can be like that sometimes. Still it must be nice to be around other people again.

  • @KevinChapman-vf5qz
    @KevinChapman-vf5qz 2 года назад

    Nice video! I do have a small nit-pick, though. Your "origin story" for this variant (and it is a variant, not a "3rd edition") is a bit inaccurate.
    Greg Smorey and his people did come to Larry Harris with many good suggestions for balancing the game. However, Larry came up with the setup changes himself and had them test them. He didn't simply "bless" their ideas, as you suggest. They did have quite a few suggestions, but the final design was all Larry.
    Regards,
    Kevin "Krieghund" Chapman

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  2 года назад

      Thanks for the info and thanks for watching!

  • @andykaufman7620
    @andykaufman7620 Год назад +2

    The starting units should reflect raw historical data so a unit in the game reflects the real unit aggregate. Say 1 unit = 300 combat aircraft that a given nation has access too in the starting month of 1942 so removing a sub or adding a destroy for 'balance' reason is not a good idea Larry Harris, it is simply a Gamist balancing of the game, not an accurate reflection which the game should strive at least initially as a foundation for 'starting units'.

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  Год назад

      Oh... I have just the video for you! Check out our friend, Pons Jones' video laying out what all the units should really cost in the game.
      ruclips.net/video/pByZLg7yDzw/видео.html
      Thanks for watching and for the feedback!

  • @oleksiimanzik7342
    @oleksiimanzik7342 3 года назад +3

    Thank you for video. Need to try this setup. Because the imbalance in the original one make this game less interesting to play

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  3 года назад

      Thanks for watching! This setup change is for the 1942 Second Edition. I haven't seen a set modified setup chart for the 1984 Classic Edition, but that would be interesting to try and sort out. 🤔
      Let us know how to you like the 3.0 setup and thanks again for watching!

  • @darthbigred22
    @darthbigred22 2 месяца назад

    I stumbled into this playing the game as UK coming from HOI4. I kept thinking this is WHY I play HOI4 because Germany getting the Suez so easily and sinking the Atlantic fleet would be the end of the war if the "Hitler really did want peace with the UK" theories are to be believed (which judging by why the UK government hasn't released what Hess offered I assume so).
    Same for India, honestly the map should just seal it off from Japan and force them to naval invade, the Himalayas are too much a block for them. It's silly enough Japan is at war with the USSR which again, would probably mean someone's head is rolling in both those governments to have that many fronts open.

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  2 месяца назад

      The balance between historical accuracy and compelling gameplay is always tricky and different people have different tastes. I find Europe and Pacific 1940 has more detail. Maybe try those.
      Thanks for watching!

  • @armageddon_gaming
    @armageddon_gaming 3 года назад +3

    After playing a game of 1942 as is yesterday, I can see where the imbalance is. On germany's first turn I was able to take russia's capitol which was very detrimental for the rest of the game. Sure the russians got it back on their next turn miraculously, but in the end, the capitol ended up being captured ny germany yet again. I feel germany's borders are way to close to russia's capitol. Plus in sea zone 7 I didn't even use planes to sink the transport and cruiser that was in sea zone 7. I used the 2 subs in seazone 5 in suprise attacks. Easy victory for germany. Also what's the whole point in building industrial complexes when they can't be completely destroyed and rebuilt elsewhere? I counted when set up was done and I counted 10 of the 12 already used, leaving only 2 up for grabs. My opinion, industrial complexes should be destructible so they can be built elsewhere, or they should have printed the set up complexes on the board since they can't be removed anyway

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  3 года назад

      I talk a bit about that in this video. Check it out and let me know what you think.
      ruclips.net/video/kLHZdP_fQg4/видео.html

  • @aminzarei8078
    @aminzarei8078 2 года назад +1

    Axis and allies is a classic
    And It has a great cinematic feel
    But non of them is balanced, and i think that the game by its nature is not perfectly balance able

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  2 года назад

      Thanks for watching!
      Have you seen our video on how to balance any version of A&A?
      ruclips.net/video/DU20AxZRim0/видео.html

    • @aminzarei8078
      @aminzarei8078 2 года назад +1

      @@BoardGameNation yes i just watched it
      Very interesting but since i got 1942 second edition, the game might be a little unbalanced but not broken, so im ok with the original rules.
      Since we are having a conversation can you please make a video on how to shorten the game?
      Variants like "2 victory city" or "1 capital" doesnt work well, since both seems too easy and accessible for the germany.

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  2 года назад +1

      Interesting idea! I'll give that some thought.

  • @AlxParrish
    @AlxParrish 10 месяцев назад +1

    I still find the axis run away with it. I think Russian fighters go to Egypt T1? Is there a counter to Japan building a Industrial Center in Manchuria? Maybe I should shift british land forces to India instead of attacking east indies I dnk

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  10 месяцев назад

      All good thoughts. Check out the rest of the series.
      Thanks for watching!

  • @jimmyt4598
    @jimmyt4598 3 года назад +2

    I always play this mode when playing allies. If Sea zone 7 fleet survives, I get to attack Norway. Most of the time, I'll use the extra infantry to attack east indies just to steal the income for a turn or two. Otherwise, you have a nice stack of meatshields to protect your tanks for an Asia offensive. This mode also makes it more likely for USA to take Algeria on turn 1, especially if Germany botched a turn 1 attack on Egypt.

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  3 года назад +2

      The 3.0 setup definitely creates lots of new lines of play.
      Thanks for watching!

  • @luketigue6971
    @luketigue6971 Год назад +1

    My only complaint is the Germans shouldn’t lose the sub.

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  11 месяцев назад

      It adds some additional drama to the opening battle in Sea Zone 7.
      Thanks for watching!

  • @phd_angel
    @phd_angel 3 года назад +12

    "Balancing" the game is silly and takes away its realism. WW2 was highly asymmetric in military and economic terms, and folks who want to make A&A more "balanced" would better go play chess or checkers...

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  3 года назад +6

      That's a fair point. Thanks for watching!

    • @AMM278
      @AMM278 3 года назад +7

      what's the point of playing the game if one side is fundamentally flawed over the other?

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  3 года назад +12

      Everyone falls in a different place on the scale of historical accuracy vs. game design. I enjoy the historical accuracies when they are possible, but I will always be on the side of great game play. :)
      Thanks for watching!

    • @thecaptain9590
      @thecaptain9590 3 года назад +10

      Then it doesn't make much sense for the German player to be able to wipe out the entire British fleet around it in turn 1 because historically that never happened and was never a possibility of happening.

    • @BoardGameNation
      @BoardGameNation  3 года назад +4

      @@thecaptain9590 - When I had the chance to talk to Larry Harris, we discussed this very topic. He agreed that finding the perfect balance between enjoyable game play and historical accuracy was one of the hardest parts of designing any period based game.
      Thanks for watching!