thanks for such a great demo! I am glad you like it - it is one of the modules I spent a lot of time obsessing about all the different options and including only the interesting ones. one of my favorite extended techniques would be running one of the individual outputs back into the symmetry input to get a different flavor of the feedback amount
The thing that really caught me at Superbooth - aside from its sound - was how you made it possible to really dial in a variety of useful sounds. And thanks for the feedback idea! Some day I want to do a series on different feedback ideas and techniques.
Thanks for all these excellent presentations! They are very clear and easy to understand and your examples always show the modules in the best light. Thanks!
Thank you! Excellent review!! The Bastl Timber seems to be one of the best, the Dannysound Timbre also looks very interesting with the 2 oscillator mix.
Chris, another very helpful video EXCEPT.... twice in this video you've said tube amps give more even order harmonics. Even order or odd order harmonics depend on circuit topography and bias point. It has nothing to do with whether the amplifiing device is a tube, a BJT, a FET or ... Different devices have different transfer characteristics but whether the circuit makes more even order THD than odd order THD has nothing to do with the underlying device. If the circuit is push/pull it's gonna make predominately odd harmonics (because the even order harmonics are mostly canceled out due to the topography) whether tube, bjt or FET based. If the circuit is single ended it's gonna make more even order harmonics because there's no mechanism for cancellation of even harmonics. They still have odd order harmonics. You said it correctly when you said an asymmetrical wave has more even order harmonics and a symmetrical wave has more odd harmonics. I get so weary of hearing all the "magic" things that tubes do. Please, please, please don't perpetuate misunderstandings and myths about how tubes work. They don't "warm up" a digital sound. If your sound is crap, putting it through a tube amp isn't going to make it not crap. Tubes are spectacular audio devices but they aren't anymore likely to produce even order harmonics than a BJT. IF properly designed a tube amplifier produces it's THD in lower order harmonics than some other devices but there are lots of tubes with pretty kinked transfer functions and lots of poorly designed tube amps that were built to please accountants and marketing people that sound as nasty as any BJT amplifier. There are great transistor amps also. I've been using, studying and building tube amps for almost 60 years and I get pretty grumpy when people assign all kinds of qualities to them that aren't unique to tubes and have way more to do with circuit topography. Good sounding tube amp sounds better than a poorly designed BJT amp because the distortion products are lower order harmonics. This is another way of saying the transfer characteristic is more linear. Higher order harmonics are more disruptive to the musical experience. This has nothing to do with even or odd harmonics. You have given a lot of good information to a lot of people. That's the strength of the internet. But we have to keep each other honest when we encounter bad information. Otherwise the internet gets weaker and weaker.
Excellent point - I should just say asymmetric waveforms produce more even harmonics, which is a characteristic of _some_ tube circuits. (You would think I would have learned by now not to generalize! ;-) )
Heeeeey! Glad to see you upload again. Hope you are in good health and refreshed :) edit: For me the happy nerding FM aid is a great wavefolder for the same reasons. I can create classic serge/buchla folds by sending audio to the modulator input and a DC offset for the carrier input, but there are 4 derivative outputs. It's really nice that the Timber has the crossfade and feedback set up within the module, but I also actually like the bright analog thru-zero FM :)
One of the sections of my personal system is dedicated to shapers etc. like this - I think I'll start calling it my "spice rack" ;-) . And thanks for the kind words. After Patch & Tweak and two surgeries this year (plus another non-music book project I'm mired in right now), I've been slowly ramping the video production back up. I've been creating a series of quick-and-dirty videos for my Patreon supporters the past few weeks, and am finally shifting up to the more polished public module videos.
This must be the best module review i have ever seen, will get one.
thanks for such a great demo! I am glad you like it - it is one of the modules I spent a lot of time obsessing about all the different options and including only the interesting ones. one of my favorite extended techniques would be running one of the individual outputs back into the symmetry input to get a different flavor of the feedback amount
The thing that really caught me at Superbooth - aside from its sound - was how you made it possible to really dial in a variety of useful sounds.
And thanks for the feedback idea! Some day I want to do a series on different feedback ideas and techniques.
Thanks for all these excellent presentations! They are very clear and easy to understand and your examples always show the modules in the best light. Thanks!
Love the depth where you took this demo.
Well done sir! Thank you for sharing.
Great video! Presented in a very clear and concise way. Just built a DIY kit of this. Lots of inspiration now
wow you're back 👍🏻
also , really appreciate you doing this without drums , some guys throw it on every module demo 🙄
Not the first time I am impressed with this module. I will probably get one at some point.
Thanks for the detailed review!
Thank you!
Excellent review!!
The Bastl Timber seems to be one of the best, the Dannysound Timbre also looks very interesting with the 2 oscillator mix.
Excellent review!
Fantastic demo - thank you!
Very good video! Even though I used 6 colours to work myself through the manual this still helped a lot.
yeah..oszilloscope is back! great demo!
Chris, another very helpful video EXCEPT.... twice in this video you've said tube amps give more even order harmonics. Even order or odd order harmonics depend on circuit topography and bias point. It has nothing to do with whether the amplifiing device is a tube, a BJT, a FET or ... Different devices have different transfer characteristics but whether the circuit makes more even order THD than odd order THD has nothing to do with the underlying device. If the circuit is push/pull it's gonna make predominately odd harmonics (because the even order harmonics are mostly canceled out due to the topography) whether tube, bjt or FET based. If the circuit is single ended it's gonna make more even order harmonics because there's no mechanism for cancellation of even harmonics. They still have odd order harmonics. You said it correctly when you said an asymmetrical wave has more even order harmonics and a symmetrical wave has more odd harmonics. I get so weary of hearing all the "magic" things that tubes do. Please, please, please don't perpetuate misunderstandings and myths about how tubes work. They don't "warm up" a digital sound. If your sound is crap, putting it through a tube amp isn't going to make it not crap. Tubes are spectacular audio devices but they aren't anymore likely to produce even order harmonics than a BJT. IF properly designed a tube amplifier produces it's THD in lower order harmonics than some other devices but there are lots of tubes with pretty kinked transfer functions and lots of poorly designed tube amps that were built to please accountants and marketing people that sound as nasty as any BJT amplifier. There are great transistor amps also. I've been using, studying and building tube amps for almost 60 years and I get pretty grumpy when people assign all kinds of qualities to them that aren't unique to tubes and have way more to do with circuit topography. Good sounding tube amp sounds better than a poorly designed BJT amp because the distortion products are lower order harmonics. This is another way of saying the transfer characteristic is more linear. Higher order harmonics are more disruptive to the musical experience. This has nothing to do with even or odd harmonics. You have given a lot of good information to a lot of people. That's the strength of the internet. But we have to keep each other honest when we encounter bad information. Otherwise the internet gets weaker and weaker.
Excellent point - I should just say asymmetric waveforms produce more even harmonics, which is a characteristic of _some_ tube circuits. (You would think I would have learned by now not to generalize! ;-) )
Heeeeey! Glad to see you upload again. Hope you are in good health and refreshed :)
edit: For me the happy nerding FM aid is a great wavefolder for the same reasons. I can create classic serge/buchla folds by sending audio to the modulator input and a DC offset for the carrier input, but there are 4 derivative outputs. It's really nice that the Timber has the crossfade and feedback set up within the module, but I also actually like the bright analog thru-zero FM :)
One of the sections of my personal system is dedicated to shapers etc. like this - I think I'll start calling it my "spice rack" ;-) .
And thanks for the kind words. After Patch & Tweak and two surgeries this year (plus another non-music book project I'm mired in right now), I've been slowly ramping the video production back up. I've been creating a series of quick-and-dirty videos for my Patreon supporters the past few weeks, and am finally shifting up to the more polished public module videos.
8:08 Amen, brother!
Seven hp, Jeremy.