The Woman Who Nearly Destroyed The Monarchy

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  • Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025
  • Edward VIII’s marriage to Wallis Simpson is something straight out of a romance novel, but Simpson wasn’t the future king’s only famous mistress. That (extremely) dubious honor also goes to Thelma Furness, the aunt of the infamous Gloria Vanderbilt. The craziest part? Furness’s life is just as wild, if not wilder, than the lives of the famous figures around her.
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  • @afquan9211
    @afquan9211 Год назад +61

    Thanks for a really great video! Old time sirens like the two Morgan sisters, or showgirl Peggy Hopkins Joyce, are so fun. Really enjoyed this!

    • @Factinate
      @Factinate  Год назад +8

      Thanks for the love!

    • @biancabruzzone
      @biancabruzzone 11 месяцев назад

      M

    • @Lily-e8z8t
      @Lily-e8z8t 11 месяцев назад +3

      Brilliant content, lovely voice..Scottish?
      No money this month.. hope there's some next month...

    • @nannyplum0194
      @nannyplum0194 10 месяцев назад +1

      Lovely voice reminds me of Neil Oliver .... I could listen to him reciting a phone book 😅

    • @barb1093
      @barb1093 10 месяцев назад

      😊​@@Factinate

  • @marianneb.7112
    @marianneb.7112 Год назад +529

    What a sad story. I do love how 11-year-old Thelma got her sister and herself onto the ship to be with their father, though. That was epic.

    • @exaudi33
      @exaudi33 Год назад +39

      Heroic.

    • @Roz-y2d
      @Roz-y2d Год назад +54

      Thank goodness. What an horrible mother.

    • @afquan9211
      @afquan9211 Год назад +17

      Thelma came off as the stronger of the twins. She got a small scar from defying her mother; as a girl, Thelma secretly roller-skated. But Gloria (originally named Mercedes), also could show mettle. When their mother found out that the twins finagled their way onto the ship, Gloria pointed out, what if something happened to the ship and she and Thelma would be left as orphans? That did it. From then on, their mother decided it was better that the girls also come along.

    • @helenlesley5456
      @helenlesley5456 11 месяцев назад

      Why are they / you ect ect ect playing old clips which indicate nothing
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      hi

    • @thissunchild
      @thissunchild 11 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@helenlesley5456it's called 'etc' - et cetera

  • @pamcornelius9122
    @pamcornelius9122 Год назад +390

    Great story! One note: Thelma didn’t leave Edward’s side to vacation with her sister in California for over a month in 1934. She went to NYC to support her twin sister Gloria Morgan Vanderbilt during her bitter custody trial for her ten year old daughter Gloria.

  • @swlabr123
    @swlabr123 Год назад +204

    My husband's stepmother was the child of estate caretakers on Long Island, and in the 30s, Thelma and her sister rented one of the nearby places. She spent the summer with Thelma's son playing with her and the other children in the neighboring estates. It was either during the time that the custody case was going on or after.

    • @voyaristika5673
      @voyaristika5673 Год назад +48

      I love these personal little tidbits as part of the story. Thanks!

  • @weaviejeebies
    @weaviejeebies Год назад +141

    I had no idea Thelma's mother was such a terrible person. The thing with the birds was sadistic. No wonder Gloria had trouble in her marriage leading to the custody dispute and younger Gloria had such a hard time with mental health. A sociopathic parent and grandparent doesn't just cause emotional trauma, they pass on genetic tendencies for emotional dysregulation that can be incredibly shameful for a person unaware of why they think and feel such things.

    • @afquan9211
      @afquan9211 Год назад +12

      Laura Fitzpatrick was the daughter of a Union Army general who married a Chilean aristocrat. Her daughter, Gloria Morgan, theorized that the combination somehow didn't "fuse" into an emotionally stable personality. The mother was very volatile and overpowering. The story about the baby pigeons was that Laura believed they would bring bad luck to the household. After the baby pigeons were cooked, the butler Fernand, brought in the dinner plates with red eyes. He too, had cried over their being killed.

    • @weaviejeebies
      @weaviejeebies Год назад +14

      @afquan9211 sounds like generational trauma. Good heavens, that family may have had money, but they were pitiably poor in love.

    • @melliecrann-gaoth4789
      @melliecrann-gaoth4789 Год назад

      Child abuse in the elite.

    • @novelist99
      @novelist99 Год назад +3

      ​@@weaviejeebies Genetics was at work here--not trauma.

    • @weaviejeebies
      @weaviejeebies Год назад +14

      @novelist99 that's what I meant, I should've been more clear. It's not just the crappy parenting and the wounded souls that the children suffer. It's the genes that predispose a person to have unstable emotions and imbalanced neurological function. (My dad's a sociopath. Everything remotely emotional either seems to make me want to rage out or cry myself to sleep. My mood is relentlessly changeable. Bring happy is like being high on drugs. Being stressed out is being on the edge of a cliff. I used to think everyone had feelings like that, but no, mine are super intense and all over the place. I don't trust anyone, I have very little patience, I've got terrible ADHD.) It's not just from the abuse he doled out. I've had to get comfortable with the fact that my system is wired funny because 1/2 of my chromosomes came from a complete psycho. During the era we're talking about, they had no idea about any of this. At least I have the minimal comfort of knowing why I'm messed up.

  • @afquan9211
    @afquan9211 Год назад +55

    The teddy bear that Thelma kept, was explained in her autobiography with her twin sister, Gloria. In the book, Double Exposure, Thelma said that she'd be late to meet the Prince and realized he'd be annoyed. While shopping at Harrods, Thelma lost track of time. On a sales table, were miniature teddy bears. As a peace offering, she bought a pink pair, and a green pair. She gave one pair to Edward, who was charmed. He proposed that they each swap a bear, so each person would always have something from the other person.

  • @mariecarton8611
    @mariecarton8611 Год назад +186

    The emotional abuse made her dependant on her abuser. Very sad for her. RIP.

  • @ceilconstante640
    @ceilconstante640 Год назад +131

    I really enjoyed the video! Loved the background music. And appreciate the Narrator's clear voice spoken at a relaxing pace. ❤

    • @Factinate
      @Factinate  Год назад +19

      Glad you enjoyed it!

    • @exaudi33
      @exaudi33 Год назад +15

      @@Factinate Gabriel Fauré at the beginning and end, yes? Just beautiful and gives this much-maligned woman the gravitas she ultimately deserves, starting with that 1915 caper to escape her abusive mother and get on board her father's ocean liner.

    • @OdeInWessex
      @OdeInWessex Год назад +23

      Love the Scottish accent, so attractive (I'm English).

    • @exdus235
      @exdus235 Год назад +11

      Ditto

    • @catherinemerrill5511
      @catherinemerrill5511 Год назад

      My favorite composition, "Cantique de Jean Racine," Came as a joyful surprise. Here it is for you who love the music of angels:
      music.ruclips.net/video/ERYOe6KBvGo/видео.html&si=AOVtaAaIVQ8VweNP

  • @exdus235
    @exdus235 Год назад +96

    Love your soft, clear voice. Love the soft, supporting, not overpowering music. 👌
    The storyline was quite sad, especially how her mother 'tortured' those children.

  • @aprilsky8474
    @aprilsky8474 Год назад +244

    Sad story for Thelma. Horrid, cruel, narcissistic mother

    • @goudagirl6095
      @goudagirl6095 Год назад +28

      Mental instability can be rampant in those elites.

    • @aprilsky8474
      @aprilsky8474 Год назад +18

      @@goudagirl6095 Maybe so, still horrible experience for her

    • @debbiesims138
      @debbiesims138 Год назад +18

      The mother also testified against Thelma's twin during her custody fight for Little Gloria.

    • @catherinemerrill5511
      @catherinemerrill5511 Год назад +18

      I saw hardly anyone who was not horrid, cruel, and narcissistic in this story. Doesn't anyone actually love and respect each 0ther in that set?😢

    • @catherinemerrill5511
      @catherinemerrill5511 Год назад +13

      ​@@goudagirl6095that's why I do not use the term "elite" unless the people are genuinely great people.

  • @Rose-ne6xq
    @Rose-ne6xq Год назад +19

    Hello from Texas ❤️ very well told, such a beautifully sad true story. Your voice shows the right measure of compassion and sorrow. My heart breaks for the young lady she once was.

  • @mariewilcox8589
    @mariewilcox8589 Год назад +49

    Extremely well narrated 👍👍

  • @gillhoward7975
    @gillhoward7975 Год назад +128

    A good narrator. A sad life for Thelma.

  • @richardshiggins704
    @richardshiggins704 Год назад +279

    Fascinating . All that shines is not gold as the saying goes . Well narrated . Edward VIII was a total waster and the ruination of many lives .

    • @kathleendobens6648
      @kathleendobens6648 Год назад +1

      He liked hilter and visited him that tells you everything about the history of the "royal family"
      All antichrists except for princess diana and her son harry and his wife. They got out of there because that family was ruthless. They were smart to get away. Not megans fault shes was being discriminated against because truly they were worried about their r...being tainted with megans children.

    • @campervannie5948
      @campervannie5948 Год назад +20

      Especially his own.

    • @Roz-y2d
      @Roz-y2d Год назад +39

      He didn’t ruin the monarchy, but he would’ve if he’d remained king. Poor Wallis got more than she bargained for though.

    • @joyceroy2355
      @joyceroy2355 Год назад

      @@Roz-y2d So very true, all that glitters is not gold. The story makes me wonder how King Charles 111 will handle the Harry crisis. I find it disconcerting that H & M seem to be embarking on wooing the commonwealth countries.

    • @saraswatkin9226
      @saraswatkin9226 Год назад +20

      ​@@campervannie5948Royalty is a controlled corporate structure called the Crown.

  • @maureenogorman8740
    @maureenogorman8740 Год назад +20

    From Wikipedia: Final years
    edit
    Furness and her sister Gloria wrote a memoir called Double Exposure (1959).[1]
    Furness died in New York City on 29 January 1970. As her niece, Gloria Vanderbilt, recalled, "She dropped dead on Seventy-third and Lexington on her way to see the doctor. In her bag was this miniature teddy bear that the Prince of Wales had given her, years before, when she came to be with my mother at the custody trial, and it was worn down to the nub".[1][23]
    Furness was buried next to her twin sister, Gloria, in Holy Cross Cemetery in Culver City, California.[24]

  • @maryoleary5044
    @maryoleary5044 Год назад +198

    You can see the real, constant sadness in this woman's face.

    • @marylouleeman591
      @marylouleeman591 Год назад +30

      When a mom treats her daughter like that, it usually leaves scars for life.

    • @AretiSpyropoulos
      @AretiSpyropoulos Год назад +14

      A submissive and his dominant mistress.

    • @afquan9211
      @afquan9211 Год назад +6

      I think many of the photos were of the identical twin, Gloria, who was the one who came off more as a lost, uncertain soul. Wistful. Thelma usually came off as more assertive and crisp.
      In some photos, if you look at the jewelry, you can tell who is who. After meeting Viscount Furness, Thelma got a double strand of black pearls which were the size of plover's eggs, according to her niece. The senior Gloria, meanwhile, had a favorite bracelet of open, rectangular links.

    • @GradKat
      @GradKat 11 месяцев назад +2

      People see what they want to see in photos.

  • @clbajones9777
    @clbajones9777 Год назад +34

    What a sad life, and her mother was so cruel. Thelma actually pronounced her name as Tell-ma. May she RIP.

    • @pamelacorbett8774
      @pamelacorbett8774 Год назад +7

      Well of course, the Spanish pronunciation, nothing sinister in that.

  • @itsdebs
    @itsdebs Год назад +156

    Thelma’s mother was a monster 🤬

    • @vittoriacolona
      @vittoriacolona 10 месяцев назад +8

      Narcissist

    • @LeonieRomanes
      @LeonieRomanes 7 месяцев назад +3

      That thing with the pidgins was diabolical.

  • @angelaegan7511
    @angelaegan7511 Год назад +26

    Very touching, thank you for the upload 😊

  • @jminormedia1025
    @jminormedia1025 Год назад +74

    The prince gave Wallis Diamonds & Furs. But gave Thelma a TEDDY BEAR. Right there is the Clue for the FUTURE outcome of her relationship with the Prince of Wales 😳🤨🧐😬

    • @ghazanfarhussain5032
      @ghazanfarhussain5032 10 месяцев назад +1

      Dances and Dinners
      🎉

    • @plum_loco
      @plum_loco 9 месяцев назад +2

      and he did not even purchase the bears.

    • @BeverlyLedbetter-cb1971
      @BeverlyLedbetter-cb1971 Месяц назад

      Well, they got stuck with each other for life... so she got some justice. They grew to almost hate each other!🤭

  • @GrannyLinn
    @GrannyLinn Год назад +7

    Great narration, great music at just the right level. Very refreshing. Interesting topic too. Thank you.

  • @DBEdwards
    @DBEdwards Год назад +77

    Very touching and sad. So much deception that ruins lives. The heart attack at age 65 was emotionally induced upon a broken hearted lady with a worn teddy in her purse that perhaps consoled her.

    • @angelashort1331
      @angelashort1331 Год назад +13

      How weird , soft toys , belonging to a grown man, but then , prince Andrew has a similar fettish , These are generational curses that follow the R family ,They need deliverance , Derek Prince ministries , have great insight as to how the familial spirits influence right back , to 4 generations,just like God's word tells us , Infidelity is a curse , with dire consequences , for generations , God has the answers for this tragedy ,in His word , I write of this because infidelity has come through my husband's family line , ONLY prayer and deliverance has broken the curse, Curses are real , ❤

    • @oliveoil7642
      @oliveoil7642 Год назад +6

      Generational Trauma that has not been healed

    • @luv2travel2000
      @luv2travel2000 Год назад +2

      ​@@angelashort1331Well said. The teachings and seminars by Derek Prince are excellent. Today deliverance is taught and done by people like Isaiah Saldivar.

  • @glendaeden2501
    @glendaeden2501 Год назад +195

    The true irony as we now know is that Wallis did not really want to marry the Duke of Windsor but she was forced to maintain the fiction of the “romance of the century “.

    • @Roz-y2d
      @Roz-y2d Год назад +50

      Thelma had a lucky escape from Edward. Poor old Wallis didn’t. I hope Thelma had some happy years at least. But what happened to her son?

    • @kerinsian8844
      @kerinsian8844 Год назад +44

      Apparently she did try to leave him, but he was a clingy and manipulative pos, threatening to kill himself if she left. At that time, and him being who he was, that threat frightened her horribly and it worked to keep her with him. If she did indeed treat him as badly as she was accused of I can't say I blame her, she probably despised him and felt very resentful.

    • @tinydancer2951
      @tinydancer2951 Год назад +37

      Wallis was just as horrible as he. Perfectly matched.

    • @suekelley2109
      @suekelley2109 Год назад +22

      @@tinydancer2951agree. Both of them selfish narcissists

    • @charlesb7019
      @charlesb7019 Год назад +37

      She wanted to marry him alright - and be queen. After he abdicated she wasn’t so keen….

  • @carolthomas8528
    @carolthomas8528 Год назад +93

    As a British woman I’d say we all gained - in the form of Elizabeth II .

    • @MinkaSchlossberger4ever
      @MinkaSchlossberger4ever 10 месяцев назад +3

      I am German, but I say Amen to this !!!

    • @minekara6407
      @minekara6407 10 месяцев назад +3

      Not sure about her off spring

    • @paulwild3676
      @paulwild3676 10 месяцев назад +7

      He had no children, so she would have been Queen when he died, as his eldest niece. Although she would have not been Queen for 70 years.

    • @Mamadukee1
      @Mamadukee1 9 месяцев назад +1

      Well said !!!!😊🇬🇧

    • @cindianajones1
      @cindianajones1 4 месяца назад +1

      Yes! I am from Texas and I think the whole world was blessed by the reign of Elizabeth II- a true QUEEN!!

  • @heidibee501
    @heidibee501 Год назад +204

    It just always comes home to me how money and beauty guarantee nothing. In my humble opinion the Prince chose the wrong woman.

    • @elizabethbrauer1118
      @elizabethbrauer1118 Год назад +8

      So Edward (aka David) should have stayed with Thelma, and abdicated for her?! Then they would both be happy. It's an alternate reality...

    • @christineewing3492
      @christineewing3492 Год назад +45

      Although, maybe Thelma dodges a bullet.

    • @heidibee501
      @heidibee501 Год назад +15

      @@christineewing3492 Agreed.

    • @jenjen.rutherford8559
      @jenjen.rutherford8559 Год назад

      The prince was no catch, he was a selfish man child and a nazi.

    • @ruthbeamish8849
      @ruthbeamish8849 Год назад +65

      The UK dodged a bullet!! Wallis was the sacrificial lamb. That appalling little man, Edward, would have been an unmitigated disaster!!!

  • @SCNYC
    @SCNYC Год назад +26

    That was beautifully put together

  • @kalakala10011
    @kalakala10011 Год назад +36

    Good video, great pics and well narated. Being abused as a child make it difficult to have healthy relationships later in life. Never heard of her. Ty.

  • @sharonpolome3033
    @sharonpolome3033 Год назад +39

    Same thing happened to ME, dammit! Trusting women "friends" seems to be a BIG mistake.........and trusting husbands, utter imbecility...........

  • @janina8559
    @janina8559 Год назад +71

    Edward always had affairs with married women to keep his bachelor status. And these women had to keep quiet because they were married. Khan was a known playboy as well. These guys with money and power knew how to play the game! And the women knew what they were in for as well.

    • @BlackStump172
      @BlackStump172 Год назад +14

      Charles used to have affairs with married women too .

    • @melianna999
      @melianna999 Год назад +6

      In the book - How Gays and Lesbians Shaped Holywood 1910 - 1969 by William J. Mann . Very interesting about"elite"
      having fun in 30' as well.

    • @ej3016
      @ej3016 Год назад

      ⁠@@BlackStump172 well we know - one of them even helped destroy his marriage with Diana Princess of Wales - she eventually married him and is now Queen - they are both immature messed up human beings as far as relationships go - hope they truly care for one another as HRH deals with recent cancer diagnosis / treatment

    • @rhondasisco-cleveland2665
      @rhondasisco-cleveland2665 11 месяцев назад +3

      Some likely did, others it’s hard to say. Sometimes people are absolutely starved for kindness, love, a sense of belonging. With an abusive childhood you are sometimes left vulnerable to more abuse.

    • @Krzyszczynski
      @Krzyszczynski 10 месяцев назад

      He was running two married mistresses while he was married to Diana. However, Diana and Lady Dale Tryon both died young in unexpected accidents, leaving Camilla to take over Diana’s husband, home, title and job. Game, set and match, Camilla.@@BlackStump172

  • @lindahughes2289
    @lindahughes2289 Год назад +38

    Thelma was not lucky or too bright, sad for her, she was a looker and could have done a lot better for herself, but who knows what kind of person she really was. RIP LADY

    • @rhondasisco-cleveland2665
      @rhondasisco-cleveland2665 11 месяцев назад +3

      Yes, this narrator is very generous.

    • @glen7318
      @glen7318 11 месяцев назад

      you'vw just said what kind of person she was.

  • @kevinpoole6122
    @kevinpoole6122 Год назад +71

    The soundtrack-Faure’s, Cantique de Jean Racine-is exquisite.

    • @jc-qd6be
      @jc-qd6be Год назад +1

      thank you

    • @kcindc5539
      @kcindc5539 11 месяцев назад +3

      It’s my favorite piece to sing

    • @kevinpoole6122
      @kevinpoole6122 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@kcindc5539 Sang it my freshman year in college as a companion piece to his Requiem-same harmonic vocabulary in miniature!

    • @jc-qd6be
      @jc-qd6be 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@kcindc5539 it's absolutly beautiful.

    • @kcindc5539
      @kcindc5539 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@kevinpoole6122 exactly! Which is why I love Requiem as well.

  • @lesliemonty31
    @lesliemonty31 Год назад +6

    Very well done video. Entertaining and informative. I hope to watch more videos like this from you in the future.

  • @thareallaura77
    @thareallaura77 Год назад +33

    Crazy! Considering Simpson wasn't in love with Edward.

  • @kimlee1416
    @kimlee1416 Год назад +17

    Thank you for sharing. Was a good video.

  • @helencheadle5285
    @helencheadle5285 Год назад +13

    That was a fascinating story, I never knew about Thelma, and what a beautiful young woman she was! It’s sad that her mother was so overbearing and ruling over the lives of the twins, and I was delighted and amazed at Thelma’s cunning at getting them booked on a ship to meet and stay with their father, much to mother’s chagrin!! It feels that all her life Thelma was just looking for love, and it’s sad that she never really found true love, and the nearest she got was then stolen by Wallace’s interception…out of the two Thelma was, to me, the far prettier female, but Edward made his choice. I’m saddened to learn Thelma died the way she did, and the discovery of the little bear Edward had given her, which she had never parted with. Thankyou for such a well told story of a little known pre Wallace lover of Prince Edwards! How things move in certain circles! Without you, I’d never have known of this fascinating lady! So Thankyou so much! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙋‍♀️

  • @Curlyblonde
    @Curlyblonde Год назад +58

    Hard to keep track of all the bed hopping done by the Royals. Some cases their honeymoon period was even completed before they resumed their extramarital affairs. All during an era when sexual matters and discussions were repressed by the churches and a strict moral code imposed on the public.

    • @pamelaadam9207
      @pamelaadam9207 Год назад +8

      My dad always said about the royals that they shared the bairns out a christmas .. meaning all the bedhopping results were assigned a family then

    • @rosajannisramsay
      @rosajannisramsay Год назад +2

      It was happening everywhere, no difference...

    • @annewalden3795
      @annewalden3795 10 месяцев назад

      It is not just the Royal family who indulge in " bed hopping" and hypocrisy is not a good look.

  • @lisaboland9225
    @lisaboland9225 Год назад +17

    I love your story telling!

  • @esterbengoa6077
    @esterbengoa6077 Год назад +187

    The Windsors' relationship was no romantic, just abusing, demeaning and extremely weird.

    • @tinydancer2951
      @tinydancer2951 Год назад

      Yes they were both evil. If Edward had been King, England would have been on the wrong side of WWII.

    • @Prieze868
      @Prieze868 Год назад +3

      Obviously the king King Edward did love

    • @eileenmulcahy2383
      @eileenmulcahy2383 Год назад +25

      History repeats itself, with Harkle's nightmare marriage.

    • @esterbengoa6077
      @esterbengoa6077 Год назад +6

      @@eileenmulcahy2383 I wish M could dress better.

    • @dorothysay8327
      @dorothysay8327 Год назад +9

      Word. She didn’t even want to marry the boor! we know now from her letters.

  • @Silverfern2424
    @Silverfern2424 10 месяцев назад +1

    Beautiful story teller. Could listen all night. Sad sad story with no happy endings for anyone involved

  • @oliveoil7642
    @oliveoil7642 Год назад +27

    Thus began her decent into the truly insane world of Royal life. Wow, that says it all😱

  • @penny1186
    @penny1186 Год назад +124

    Wallis and Edward’s relationship looked like a romance novel until you find the letters from after their marriage and it’s turns out Wallis did not love Edward and abused him emotionally while writing to her former husband that she was forced l to marry Edward once he announced that he was abdicating to marry her.

    • @melianna999
      @melianna999 Год назад +13

      Cover-up marriage.

    • @superannieoakley4513
      @superannieoakley4513 Год назад

      Yes, Wallis Simpson did just abt everything to talk Edward out of leaving. She never wanted to marry him. Just like her others, she was just using Edward's money/title. There's been a couple of really good documentaries on Wallis Simpson. American & English intelligent services had open files on her. There were also "rumors" of her being born a "hermaphrodite". I'm still surprised she actually married him, especially since she didn't love him, but there was also talk of Hilter helping Edward get back on the throne after he won WWII. One thing is for sure, history is never boring!

    • @betsygray9505
      @betsygray9505 Год назад

      I guess he must have enjoyed the abuse.. ?

    • @piarademacher4024
      @piarademacher4024 Год назад +20

      Looks to me as he blackmailed her to marry him by publicly announcing his abdication.

    • @hawktchr8
      @hawktchr8 Год назад +15

      Yes! That documentary is amazing! She was such an opportunist! She stayed for the money and fame. Her letters show how she didn’t love Edward, the poor fool!

  • @gentillydanny
    @gentillydanny Год назад +32

    Well told story in a well done video. The poor woman, to fall in love with a rapscallion like Edward (Oddweird).

  • @cmtippens9209
    @cmtippens9209 Год назад +69

    Prince Aly Khan was briefly married to actress Rita Hayworth.
    It was Rita Hayworth's poster that Andy first put up in his cell in Shawshank Redemption.

    • @michelerees
      @michelerees Год назад +15

      That is a gorgeous picture

    • @MalibuBarbie-kk5gc
      @MalibuBarbie-kk5gc Год назад +6

      Their non royal daughter is called a princess, by birth.

  • @elizabethbrauer1118
    @elizabethbrauer1118 Год назад +32

    So maybe the teddy bear was found (and kept) by Gloria Vanderbilt? It's fascinating to think that the teddy bear could still exist.

  • @MarieDuffy-o1t
    @MarieDuffy-o1t 25 дней назад

    Love this channels videos thank you for posting. Every narrator Is brilliant.

  • @mariacompton1416
    @mariacompton1416 Год назад +9

    Very well made video !! loved it.

  • @wuncieadams1352
    @wuncieadams1352 Год назад +23

    She was unwise to leave Edward in the care of Wallis Simpson.

  • @maryoleary5044
    @maryoleary5044 Год назад +50

    Pidgeons are Beautiful, Gentle Little Lives 💞
    Thank-You Thelma and All Gentle and Genuine Humans ❤

  • @mrskenscott9643
    @mrskenscott9643 Год назад +70

    Lizzie Borden's father killed Lizzie's pet pigeons too.
    It's part of the theory that made Lizzie snap.

    • @ccasey1904
      @ccasey1904 Год назад +14

      @mrskenscott9643: Personally, I think Lizzie Borden’s father had alot of screws loose, if not outright dementia.

    • @Magamomma22245
      @Magamomma22245 Год назад +6

      DNA is strong.

    • @nyotauhura7412
      @nyotauhura7412 11 месяцев назад

      Borden family believed they were being stalked and harassed by neighborhood boys...no evidence was found the kids had done anything. Around the same time a young woman named Bertha Manchester was axed to death by a farm laborer named Jose Correa de Mello who was angry at the Manchester Family had cheated him out of wages. Mr Borden also had hired Jose Correa de Mello and not paid him because of incompetence. Jose Correa de Mello was heard threatening to kill ALL the people he had grudges against. Which is why LIzzie was found not guilty.

  • @Linda98671
    @Linda98671 Год назад +34

    She made so many bad choices, and suffered for them.

  • @lorainedelaney1753
    @lorainedelaney1753 Год назад +6

    My favourite narrator on this channel. Great music, too. Could do with knowing who/when/where the photos are of/were taken.

  • @shabbysuzannah3702
    @shabbysuzannah3702 Год назад +33

    Thank you for this. Poor Thelma, such a sad story especially her nasty cruel mother. If you are interested could you do the tale of the Mountbattens?

    • @ChristineGunton
      @ChristineGunton Год назад +5

      Yeah, go for it! I know some stuff about them and it sure ain't pretty!..... 🙃🇬🇧

    • @patriciastrassner4883
      @patriciastrassner4883 Год назад +4

      Mommy sounds like a bi-polar and or borderline.

  • @hanaluong2672
    @hanaluong2672 Год назад +36

    She should not have been that sad, There was not much in that guy.

    • @Mamadukee1
      @Mamadukee1 9 месяцев назад

      Well said nd true !!!!😊🇬🇧

  • @melaniecrispin9447
    @melaniecrispin9447 Год назад +70

    Edward VIII, such a weak man

    • @oliveoil7642
      @oliveoil7642 Год назад +11

      And very scarred due to his loveless upbringing!

    • @nadyarossi5102
      @nadyarossi5102 Год назад

      Weak, dumb as a stump and crippled emotionally by his uninvolved parents & cruel nanny.

  • @2brunhilda
    @2brunhilda Год назад +13

    I loved this historical story

  • @Swelte
    @Swelte Год назад +26

    oh wow loved this one!!!

  • @Sushi2735
    @Sushi2735 Год назад +28

    There is not one woman I know who has not been dumped and had her heart broken! Beautiful, smart, educated women. We all have! No excuse for going off the deep end. You heal eventually! Not from that Bi-Polar Mother but men, you get over!!!

  • @lisaclark1181
    @lisaclark1181 Год назад +38

    Thelma's loss of Edward might very well have been the reason British folks aren't speaking German now. Throw a pebble in the lake and watch the ripples. RIP

  • @KatePerry-y5s
    @KatePerry-y5s Год назад +50

    Just proves that even rich and privileged, can suffer horribly!

    • @kimlersue
      @kimlersue Год назад +7

      Living a life of really bad decisions creates a lot of suffering, I think the privileged people make more bad decisions as the wealth affords them more opportunities.

    • @KatePerry-y5s
      @KatePerry-y5s Год назад +4

      @@kimlersue We all make bad decisions on our journey through life! Money doesn't come into it!

    • @kimlersue
      @kimlersue Год назад +6

      @@KatePerry-y5s Yes. and. no. With money your travels bring you to more places and people. This does expand one's options well over the average person.

  • @ColleenLytle-sq8tx
    @ColleenLytle-sq8tx 11 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you, lovely video!

    • @Factinate
      @Factinate  11 месяцев назад

      Our pleasure!

  • @randywatts6969
    @randywatts6969 Год назад +33

    She was Anderson Coopers great aunt

  • @christinehallchrissie
    @christinehallchrissie Год назад +18

    Can someone explain? I don't understand the infamous present from Edward was in her bag. It was a Teddy bear and 'revealed a secret' so tragic... it was a Teddy Bear!!!

    • @AM-qp2wx
      @AM-qp2wx Год назад +4

      No tragic secret. Just a sentence to pull you in to watch the video. It could be interpreted to mean that
      Thelma carried a torch for him all of her life. Where did the narrator get this info about the bear, anyway......questionable.

  • @hunkhk
    @hunkhk Год назад +18

    Edward was a traitor and a disgrace to his country let's not forget that

  • @carolranes91
    @carolranes91 Год назад +18

    What is really tragic is that any woman would allow a man to destroy her life! Simply stupid!!!!!! When women realize men get to choose you will stop playing the game. Also if women learn to manipulate men so they choose them who would want such a man. Wake up women! Don’t play the game! Depending on a man’s choice to validate your self or life has to be the dumbest choice you can make. I look over my past life at men I cared about and when I look at their choices and how they turned out I am so thankful they did not choose me I have had a wonderful life and I am so thankful that I made the choices I did make!

    • @nicolataylor6011
      @nicolataylor6011 Год назад +3

      I think she was like this because of her emotional abused childhood making her feel abuse is all she deserved..also different times.. hopefully women are more enlightened now and do their own thing

  • @michelerees
    @michelerees Год назад +15

    There is a great book called "That Vanderbilt Woman" you would enjoy about the twins and the later custody battle for GV jr.

  • @golden8972
    @golden8972 Год назад +23

    I'll never understand what David ever saw in Wallis.

    • @LollyGagger-tl9ub
      @LollyGagger-tl9ub 10 месяцев назад

      Just like hairy see in migraine

    • @thedowagerd.2431
      @thedowagerd.2431 5 месяцев назад

      She did not treat him with the deference with which he was accustomed. That was a "turn on" for him.

  • @Roz-y2d
    @Roz-y2d Год назад +63

    Some mothers control their children through fear and cruelty. I get it.

  • @andreainsley2928
    @andreainsley2928 Год назад +5

    I really enjoyed your video!

  • @janetwatson7966
    @janetwatson7966 Год назад +36

    Thelma was beautiful, Wallis was ugly.

    • @annewalden3795
      @annewalden3795 11 месяцев назад

      Janet I think Wallis was very attractive and was a fascinating woman.

    • @glen7318
      @glen7318 11 месяцев назад

      she wasnt. She was middling looking and very selfish@@annewalden3795

    • @jamesbugbee9026
      @jamesbugbee9026 7 месяцев назад

      Wallis was intelligent, wearas Thelma was, socially at least, quite the opposite

    • @bonniewilliams3266
      @bonniewilliams3266 4 месяца назад

      ​@@annewalden3795
      I agree

  • @rosebudame
    @rosebudame Год назад +12

    Interesting story! The twins looked so much alike.

  • @jinglebell9424
    @jinglebell9424 11 месяцев назад +1

    Well done, very interesting!!

  • @PamelaTitterington
    @PamelaTitterington Год назад +7

    Really interesting story,and sad also ,when it comes to emotions ,it doesn't matter your status,everyone has one experience or another,which has affected them😕

  • @tonibarrone854
    @tonibarrone854 Год назад +28

    In my opinion E8 ND WS was not a lov story from a romance book

  • @rach5516
    @rach5516 Год назад +34

    By all accounts Wallace did not want to mary Edward. Definitely yot entirely a romantic relationship.

    • @LeonieRomanes
      @LeonieRomanes 7 месяцев назад

      She wanted the perks of being a royal mistress.

  • @JJ33438
    @JJ33438 Год назад +64

    Thelma dodged a bullet by not marrying that pansy guy edward!

    • @melianna999
      @melianna999 Год назад +7

      Prince gay Edward.

    • @Dhruv_Dogra
      @Dhruv_Dogra Год назад

      Oh .... was Edward gay? I know he was a Nazi but not this...

    • @lordeden2732
      @lordeden2732 Год назад +4

      Edward was the Fairy on top of the Royal Christmas tree.

    • @glen7318
      @glen7318 11 месяцев назад

      nonsense. @@lordeden2732

  • @nnnnnnnnnnn7292
    @nnnnnnnnnnn7292 Год назад +14

    This is what a narcissistic mother does to her daughter - she programmes her for a life of self-destruction.
    And she is always successful at that.
    Very few exceptions.

  • @earthcat
    @earthcat Год назад +58

    King Edward traded DOWN. Imagine dumping someone for a Wallis Simpson 😝

    • @SueBankhead
      @SueBankhead Год назад +5

      It was all sexual things she did to him.

    • @earthcat
      @earthcat Год назад

      @@SueBankhead Sure, but still...🤢

    • @ginaspurlding8590
      @ginaspurlding8590 Год назад

      Actually Wallis married down,hitching up with Edward cost her 3 million inheritance from her uncle plus a lifetime being wed to a family of inbred pedophiles...

    • @olwenrose2780
      @olwenrose2780 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@SueBankhead As Meghan Markle would say "roasting chicken'..

    • @paulinecrabbe7383
      @paulinecrabbe7383 10 месяцев назад +3

      Charles did the same to the beautiful Diana for an older much less attractive woman

  • @jabbermocky4520
    @jabbermocky4520 Год назад +99

    Thelma was prettier than Wallis. I bet Wallis hated her for that.

    • @patscott6365
      @patscott6365 Год назад +12

      Both women had the same ultra-slim, androgynous look that Edward favoured. It's known that Edward was bisexual so these flatter chested women appealed to him.

    • @angelaharris6577
      @angelaharris6577 11 месяцев назад

      Wallis was just plain ugly. Thelma is definitely a much more genteel young lady.

    • @dolinaj1
      @dolinaj1 10 месяцев назад +1

      Wallis got Edward, not Thelma. Wallis had nothing whatsoever to envy about Thelma - rather the reverse. What an insipid narration!

  • @doonewatts7155
    @doonewatts7155 Год назад +6

    Fascinating thank you

  • @heatherkeegan689
    @heatherkeegan689 Год назад +10

    Another case of the one brother wanting what the other brother has got she looks very much like the Queen mother. His brother's wife.

  • @brianeduardo1234
    @brianeduardo1234 Год назад +5

    When she returned ‘Edward was not himself’ - that’s precisely what he was - they just discard people

  • @caroledrury1411
    @caroledrury1411 Год назад +36

    Unfortunately the greatest flaw with this documentary is we don’t know who is who in the photographs

    • @peterfreeman1585
      @peterfreeman1585 Год назад +1

      No worries, they were all leeches on society and tarred with the same brush. Chased their own hedonistic lifestyle, satisfying their carnal desires, spending from the public purse or their families ill-gotten gains. Recognise the abdicated king and Wallis Simpson, you don't need to know the others they were selfish, boring, oxygen thieves.

    • @betsygray9505
      @betsygray9505 Год назад +4

      Very true ...I agree. I did know Edward and. Wallis though 😂

  • @voyaristika5673
    @voyaristika5673 Год назад +28

    Thank you. I like these straightforward short docs. You do a good job of giving the story in a short time with the pertinent facts. I've read a lot on Wallis, so Thelma figures in there. One thing I never understood is why any woman would ask another woman to " keep her man company" while she was gone. I mean....what? If my friend asked that of me she would scare me! 😮 Maybe that part was built upon just to add some splash to the story.

  • @maryettamoody5079
    @maryettamoody5079 Год назад +12

    Terrable story. My mom was a sweetheart. Feel sorry for her

  • @t.m.a.3665
    @t.m.a.3665 Год назад +35

    I had no idea Thelma was related to Gloria Vanderbilt! 😮crazy coincidence

    • @JGumaerTesta
      @JGumaerTesta 11 месяцев назад +1

      She's an identical twin.

    • @dolinaj1
      @dolinaj1 10 месяцев назад

      Non. Simply family connections.

  • @jewel65
    @jewel65 Год назад +86

    Her mom sounds like a narcissist.

  • @leishiahines7224
    @leishiahines7224 7 месяцев назад

    Very interesting. Thank-you

  • @denisehall5145
    @denisehall5145 11 месяцев назад

    Thank you for this story and your narration. I would love to know the details of the beautiful choral music in the background.

  • @starlenematchett2026
    @starlenematchett2026 Год назад

    Wonderfully interesting story and you tell it beautifully. ❤️🇨🇦❤️

  • @SandyCheeks63564
    @SandyCheeks63564 Год назад +34

    Her mother was Mommy Dearest AND Baby Jane ugh

    • @elainewebster1419
      @elainewebster1419 Год назад +2

      Mommies dearest was joan Crawford and baby Jane was bett davis

  • @mitzicrowder2186
    @mitzicrowder2186 Год назад +10

    Thelma went her sister Gloria Vanderbilt Mother.She Thelma went to court to help her sister not loose custody of little Gloria

  • @annapichelie7643
    @annapichelie7643 2 месяца назад

    Fun. Thank you, enjoyed this.

  • @janebufton1960
    @janebufton1960 Год назад +4

    It showed the future King really lived Wallace Simpson, but I don't think the love wad mutual as far Mrs Simpson was concerned.

  • @filomenadossantos5934
    @filomenadossantos5934 10 месяцев назад

    Thank you very much....i loved it,,,,

  • @marieoreilly4334
    @marieoreilly4334 Год назад +11

    So interesting great research it's so sad none of the people in the story found happiness and we now knew Edward had a sad life away from his family Prince Harry take note Marie Dublin Ireland 🇮🇪

    • @karenohanlon4183
      @karenohanlon4183 5 месяцев назад

      If they were sad it's because they felt entitled. This was the high society click.
      Imagine being poor overworked a brood of children and an angry spouse. Now that's sad.

  • @saraswatkin9226
    @saraswatkin9226 Год назад +9

    Wow, never heard of her before and such a beautiful woman.

    • @peterfreeman1585
      @peterfreeman1585 Год назад +1

      She was a soul-less, selfish boor.
      Just like the crowd she mixed, with including Edward, they all used people and threw them out when finished. No respect, no self respect, no purpose in life except chasing their own elusive pleasures. Never knew that the two greatest pleasures are the ones that give personal satisfaction viz,
      1. to achieve something worthwhile or
      3. serve the community.

  • @SusanHukel-rm4lg
    @SusanHukel-rm4lg 9 месяцев назад

    Just more proof that money and position don't make you better,but money can cover up things so people won't know.

  • @LQOTW
    @LQOTW Год назад +4

    What does the nub of a teddy bear look like? lol! Great story, great narration!

  • @debralee1401
    @debralee1401 Год назад +12

    Thelma, a beauty compared to Wallis.

  • @ccasey1904
    @ccasey1904 Год назад +9

    Wallis was quite “the piece of work”. You reap what you sew.