Agree. Ridden a few of the older ones and they all do that. The post 2020 ones are ok. I wonder if Ducati gears it very tall on purpose, or if its a fueling issue.
Where you were riding brought back memories for me. I grew up in Sharnbrook in the '60s and '70s and went to Margaret Beaufort school in Risely from 68 to 72 used to ride my BSA C15 to school instead of riding the school coach. Cheers Tony in Western Australia
Nice vids, I own a 620 which I got and stood in a barn for 13 years, I had a lot to repair and learned Ducati tax is real but research has shown me that these are part bin bikes. Most of the electricals are from Fiat Punto's or Alfa 156 etc the injectors are from a VW. I replaced the reg/rec as mine started to smoke. The L twin is not happy sitting at low revs. Also, look at the slow start Ducati's, the battery cables are low quality upgrading those cables helps the start and charging.
I've owned a few L twin Ducati's now and my 1994 916 all the way to my 2022 Panigale V2, vibrate like crazy at low rpms. It's just a characteristic of the engine I believe. Beautiful machine and great content. Cheers from Canada.
@@Noony79 well I mean relatively speaking, if you are comparing it to other Ducati twins then yes it's a lot smoother, however in comparison with 3 or 4 cylinders it's night and day difference.
Another one who enjoyed the ride around North Beds. My nan used to live in Riseley and I used to go to Sharnbrook Skool (I'm an Oakley boy). Thankfully I managed to escape the Foggy Isle over 20 years ago and now live in the tropics with my VFR800 & Z900RS. Thanks for the vids, Ash! 👍🏼
Beautiful bike, and some great roads too. I have a blue ST4 with the 916 engine. 'Down sized' from my old ZZR1100 about 16 years ago. I think it's 107BHP so there's a lot more power. But everything else is pretty much the same as the ST2. I honestly think you'll fall in love with the red beast, and struggle to part with her. It's a Ducati thing.
M796 owner here, the old 2v engines smooth out around 3.5k , lovely and silky at around 5k plus, these engines have a similar bore and stroke ratio to a harley V-Rod. couple the relatively long gearing they can feel very lumpy compared to something like an SV650 at similar RPMs. Sit a gear lower than you usually would and that would be the 'normal' feeling for the bike. Long winded for saying : She's all good.
Regarding your clutch comment, on my 97 M750 Ducati, I replaced all brake hoses with top end Goodridge hoses. As well as the brakes improving massively, the hydraulic clutch is now absolutely fine. It was awful before. The hoses were knackered!
I've owned a fat boy and still own an SV1000 and the low end thumpy-ness is just characteristic of these types of engine. Don't feel the need to baby them: when a 4 banger will take 3rd into a side street a twin is happier dropping to first. Sounds spot on my friend and thank you for your videos, top work!
Thank you mate, your right, it's very happy in the high rev range, Kate's SV650 is much happier in the lower rev range to be honest, much different gearing though
That low speed shuddering is a Ducati thing. Apparently the way to ride is low gear high revs. This was told to me by the dealer sales manager after watching me ride off on the scrambler cafe racer. When he handed over the monster 821, he said don't shift up early. These things like a bit of a rev else they shudder at low speeds. I guess it's a request for The Beans.
At the beginning I was thinking the wiring would be a nightmare so I'm amazed it came together so easily for you with only a couple of little niggles to sort out now. The video quality was good and funnily enough the starting point is where I work so we obviously live nearby. You should take Kate for a meal at the Fox & hounds at the end of the video. It's probably the best steak you can get in the area...it's ain't cheap though
No way! I worked at that pub for 5 years when I was younger so I know how good the steak is, unfortunately though Kate is a vegitarian... Yes, I got very lucky with the wiring I think 🤔
Great vid Ash. Good sound too 👍 Re the gearing, I did mention this to you in an earlier vid, or in one of the emails. It's just way too tall. That's on all Ducatis of the period. The reason being, it was the only way the factory could get the bikes through Italian db limit noise tests. There are several different ratios through the ST fleet, but standard on ST2 is 15/42, and best remedy (as others have said) is put a 14 toothe sprocket on the front, as this is cheapest and easiest option. Always use 2 new bolts on the front sprocket though - don't be tempted to re-use the old ones, or you might regret it. Should cost no more than £25 all in. Naturally you will also have to adjust the chain.
Yep, thanks mate, it's definitely not the best set up... if I go down the route of perfecting this bike then I'll definitely do it, or it might be a case of move onto the next one 🤔
All that work becomes absolutely worth it within seconds of being on the road.. and it's not just your bike, anything under 35-40 mph and they are so clunky and lumpy. But once they are going there is something really special...
Sweeeeet ride Ash!!! Dang I'm jealous! I love the torque of the L/V engines...went for what was probably the last ride of the season yesterday on the Virago. Love the sound, love the pull.
As has already ben mentioned, the battery could do with replacing, give yourself some peace of mind Ash. Bike sounds eager and wants to go, enjoy it. 😎😎
There's 'low' and there's low. Unless you're setting off nearing freezing, start up, put on your gloves (a few seconds work), and ride on. Just don't hammer on it until it's reached full temp. The display absolutely does NOT mean sit idling. I have the same vintage machine and it's used until road salt is put down and in temps below freezing.
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Agree, set off steady until it gets some heat in it but don’t sit stationary idling.
Just for peace of mind, you could check cam timing ist really easy and there are good instructional videos for 2V motors on RUclips as with checking valve clearances, change oil and enjoy. You are right tha low voltage will mess with an ecu's Mellons and make it run like crap, however itis charging well above 2000 RPM so the battery will hold the voltage up when the bike is at low revs. It seemed to pull really well with loads of torque, I think we can agree you were enjoying the ride.....I was enjoying the ride. My clutch was heavy to fitted 900Ss clutch springs and a aftermarket slave cylinder with more mech advantage for Multistrada.... maybe different for your ST!
Before I changed the rectifier the exhaust was popping a lot because it wasn't sparking properly, I'm wondering if it needs a bit more juice while spinning at the lower rpms. Lots of comments suggesting it's pretty normal for a Ducati though 🤣
Great bike, it sounds great. You should always nod a learners (not delivery riders) we all had to learn at some point and 125s go 65 MPH so they definitely should wear proper gear.
I wouldn't worry about the vibrations, it's just a big lumpy Duc twin, I found exactly the same thing after riding IL4s for years, then switching to a Multistrada 1200, you'll get used to it. I only really use 6th if I'm over 110kmh (70mph-ish)
Sounds great Ash I reckon the vibrations are pretty normal with it being a twin & the dry clutches to make a bit of a racket on Ducati's. Seems like your wiring is almost fixed though maybe the regulator is still not 100% with the light coming on unless that normal with Ducati's. I know Italian wiring can be sketchy sometimes but then the bike is 25 plus years old so you can forgive it for that. I really do miss riding a bike at times as I haven't had one for quite some time now, maybe I will again someday.
Low rev roughness is a typical V-twin thing. They don't like it. In case of your Ducati: it's a Sport machine, it wants/needs revs. I had a Ducati S2R800, exactely the same it wants rev'ving. As long as the engine temperature is showing "low", ride normal until it heats up. Fastest way to get an engine on normal temperature is not idling, but a normal ride.
When I first rode my Multistrada 1000 I hated the vibration, but they disappear above 2500RPM in a lovely great wave of torque and yo soon adapt your riding style to play to the engines strengths. One you have unl3ashed that beautiful ducati noise the termignoni or staintune exhausts and got earplugs pushed in enough so that you can't hear the clutch rattle at idle the the ride starts getting really sweet. It's not about the peak power it's about the torque delivery, you will never manage without a torguey bike again, after a ducati, to help you transition from a 20 valve four, borrow a big single for a few weeks 😂!
The standard gearing is too high for most use. On my ST4s I only ever used 6th gear on the motorway! Fitting a larger rear and/or smaller front sprocket transforms the ride, Lots of info online about it.
I put a 42 tooth on the rear of my ST4 when I renewed the chain, I now use 6th gear. Ducati's are so overgeared with the standard gearing from the factory.
Interested by the remarks about low speed vibration/shaking. I own a TRX 850 Yamaha. The engine had a 270 degree crank, which was meant to simulate the feel of a V twin. The same issue on a steady throttle at low revs, making 20 mph speed limits torture (honest, officer). The recieved wisdom with these bikes is that they run rich and should have the jet size reduced. I did that and it made no obvious difference. I've bought a one-tooth smaller engine sprocket in the hope that this will improve things...once I get the old one off, of course.
@@AshRowland I will, but don't know when it will be. Think someone else in the comments mentions the gearing, and MCN's Bikes We Buy series on RUclips has a feature on the 996 where the owner makes the same point about them being over-geared, in this case to get around the Italian (Euro?) decibel limits.
You need to try the ST4S and yes, they don’t like low revs - one of the great myths of twins is their fabled low end torque, the low end torque needs 5K on the click. A 4 will pull cleanly from low revs, even if it doesn’t pull very strongly it will still pull. A twin will just make a lot of noise and vibration.
Some early Ducatis has just a single yellow wire and one coil for charging. They changed that on later models to three coils and three yellow wires going out and into the rectifier, because the single coil could not supply enough power.
you know the massive thing that pisses me off nowadays, compared to when I started riding in 1996, on a tuned TZR125 YPVS..... back in those days, the farmers kept all the hedgerows trimmed down and you could see around all the bends you wanted to take. Now, they are left to grow up without maintenance, and it's very hard to find a bend you can trust to go around at any great speed. I always remember when I was in my early 20s and riding a CBR400RR, coming back from a bike meet at the Waterman, me and my mates had just left the place and were heading back through Meridan, towards Nuneaton. There a section of blind bends through a wooded section on the way back, and we'd gone through fine, but riding like total dicks. When I got back home to Nuneaton, a couple of days later, my mate rang me up and asked if I'd heard about the rider who died just a few minutes after we'd gone through the same wooded section of road? I said no, and he went on to tell me that literally 5 minutes after we'd all blatted through that section, riding round blind bends like total twats, another rider had gone down the same blind bend, and had run into the back of a tractor with those spike things on it, and had been killed instantly... This really shook me up and even to this day I can't abide to ride around blind bends without that awful tragedy coming into my mind, and this must have been 26 years ago! that's why it vexes me to see all the hedgerows not cut back to 6 feet, it's made the roads way more dangerous
I have a Ducati 900ss , if you chugg it from low rev’s it will vibrate, chain tension and how good the rubber cushion blocks in the rear wheel have a significant effect on vibration….Oh I also have a KTM 640 Adventure, that even with a balancer shaft moves around on my drive on the centre stand… now that is vibration!! 😮😅
Hi i own 2 Ducati,s 650 monster and a 800 Scrambler, the L twin with hydro clutches do make them rubbish at low revs, you soon get used to riding them at slow speeds and in traffic with a combination of short shifting 1st and second with a little slipping the clutch. not sure about the battery light but hey as long as your moving or off tick over its charging,,
Hi Ash what house were you in at school there was Stafford,Richmond and Derby I was in Derby with all the geeks and numpties there was only the two of us myself and Kevin Blair that were any good at sports we took it in turns to be house captain over the years our PE teacher was Clive Dobbs he was a good bloke as were all the teachers. thanks for bringing back fond memories see ya .
The vibration is the character of the Ducati,I think you're battery even though it held a charge has a bad cell in it being old,So the charge light on your dash is possibly showing that at low revs.. Recommend a new battery anyway..Ian
None of the Ducati STs like being run under 3k rpm... they're much happier over that and a lot smoother! I've found the best bits of those bikes are the torque and handling... get the suspension set up and tyre pressures right (I usually run 32/34psi on my ST2), and they do exactly what you're thinking before you've made any inputs
@ducatist4s45 I'm quite light... I've tried harder, and the front feels really skippy. 32/34 suits my weight perfectly with my current suspension set up
Try undoing the engine mounting bolts and then tighten them back up again. If it's still the same, it might be worth checking the alternator flywheel. The retaining nuts have been known to come loose. How many miles has the bike done?
Most U tubers blur the speedo so the powers that be can't see how fast they are going. Any digital evidence, date and time stamped, can be used in court weeks and months after the ride.
A little story for you. The origins of the L twin term lie way back in the mists of the 1970's when Ducati made an earlier type of 90' twin. This was known in the normal way as a V twin, because it was. When Ducati started making belt drive 90' twins they wanted to differentiate the two V twins, so they started calling the belt drive ones L Twins. In short is isn't relevant any more, it was needed until the mid 80's but by the 90's it had no importance beyond pedantry.
the known low on throttle 2300 rpm till 2800 rpm kind of hic-ups is a crankshaft& sensor rpm counting sensative area (32 teeth 2 missing) in the cpu iaw16m with 68hc11processor crankshaft is slowing down to rotate threu compresson this causing spark timing calculation /mis calculation on this setup form factory (no hick ups on fiat panda /lancia cars 60 teeth 2 missing same kind of ecu iaw16f ) ,put the crankshaft sensor distance with in specs valve intake and exhaust play with in specs and sychronisation throttle boddy feul pressure 3bar and chain tension in range maybe a good eprom good feul (E5)
Good night Ash and Kate i love watching your RUclips videos on your RUclips channel I could hear all that you were saying when you were riding on your motorbike I hope you and kate are all well it would be nice on one of your you tube videos wearing and showing what you your motor hike gear looks like and how you look with Kate in hers please Ash I hope yo u are enjoying you ride on on your new ducati please can you show moe of you fixing it thank you and I hope both of you are keeping safe and warm please keep up your good work on your you tube videos on your you tube channel you made me smaile and happy tonight wheres kate can you do a ride out with her please but first can you show her and you with you motor gear on t hank you I will give you tonight 100000 gold stars you have earned all of toses gold stars keep it up
I thought that as well, at that point in the vid. People waiting at junctions will even seemingly make eye contact with you, so you KNOW they have seen you, and THEN they will pull out on you.
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Last time a car pulled out and hit me the driver was looking straight at me as they did it.
Ducatis don’t do below 3000 rpm. Ducatis are vibey but smooth out after 4500 rpm. They also don’t pull high gears at low speed. So use 2nd or 3rd gear up to 30 mph. All totally normal Ducati character. Your idle revs may not be accurately shown on the rev counter. Try increasing the idle revs a touch to see if the light goes out.
No they are not VFR smooth but not as lumpy as yours seems to be, to be honest, and they are a riders bike if running right and with practice they are as easy to ride in traffic as any bike, with 19k on the clock she should ride like a dream, is your airbox attached properly is the air box the race item ie no lid ? Just the sides, god makes me want to get another one and there’s a silver one in my dealers in Rennes 🥴 mirrors and clocks shouldn’t vibrate even at high revs in fact all 3 of mine smoothed out at high revs 👍 have the cam belts been changed how old are they have you any history of when the were last done and by who critical that you know this, they are reliable, present no problems as long as they are changed every 12k or sooner and adjusted properly, again critical, will effect how the bike goes right up to the point one snaps and the motor lunches itself, buy Ducati belts, don’t fit after market, I had mates who did and regretted it, now how much was that ST2 in Rennes 😂😂😂😂 ….Pete 🇫🇷
Whereabouts in Rennes? I have friends just outside of Langon - down the D177 from Sortie 8 Rennes Rocade for maybe 25 miles, then hang a left down D54 and D59 I've ridden the area loads on my ST4 and ST4S
@@peterbee88Hi Pete ,Pete here 😂 the dealers in Rennes, Rue de Lorient N24, I’m 5 mins from Mont st Michel, Pontorson, have you been there ? Are you in the uk ? I sold the Ducatis a Buell n Ktm and one of my Vespas, only bought on Vespa with me, px 125, and a couple of years ago bought my self a RE350 classic which weirdly I really enjoy perfect for around here …. Pete 🇫🇷
It rides and pulls like a dream above 5k so engine is running nicely. Its got the original airbox on it, the entire bike is original and standard. Belts were done at 12k and it's done 19k now so they're withing the 12k limit but I'm not sure how long ago, need to double check the paperwork. 👍
@@AshRowlandHi Ash Ducati OE belts are very reliable and you can take them over their time / mileage recommendations but not knowingly like I did, did the ride to the Nurburgring and did the circuit 😳 scariest thing I’ve ever done on a motorcycle I was on my 900Ss ie and when I got back home realised the belts were 4 months overdue 🥴 but it was ridden regularly, I understand the damage is done when left standing I knew a guy who had a 916 who said the belts had been done, and had only done 1500 miles but 4 years ago not good, ….. Pete 🇫🇷
low rev roughness is just a ducati thing its part of the character, enjoy it.
Right, merch ideas are flowing "it's just a Ducati thing"
Agree. Ridden a few of the older ones and they all do that. The post 2020 ones are ok. I wonder if Ducati gears it very tall on purpose, or if its a fueling issue.
Where you were riding brought back memories for me. I grew up in Sharnbrook in the '60s and '70s and went to Margaret Beaufort school in Risely from 68 to 72 used to ride my BSA C15 to school instead of riding the school coach. Cheers Tony in Western Australia
No way! I went to Maggie B too, but in the 90s! I'll ride up there another day for you and show you what it looks like now
@@AshRowland Cheers Mate it will be good to see the old Biscuit Factory again.
@@tonywatts1895 I warn you now, I'm pretty sure it got knocked down and rebuilt a few years ago
Well done for persevering with it,now time to sort the fzr!
Yes, don't worry, top of my priority list
Nice vids, I own a 620 which I got and stood in a barn for 13 years, I had a lot to repair and learned Ducati tax is real but research has shown me that these are part bin bikes. Most of the electricals are from Fiat Punto's or Alfa 156 etc the injectors are from a VW. I replaced the reg/rec as mine started to smoke. The L twin is not happy sitting at low revs. Also, look at the slow start Ducati's, the battery cables are low quality upgrading those cables helps the start and charging.
Thanks buddy, I'm need to sort the oil light out as well 👍
@AshRowland no worries. I think my replacement oil pressure switch was from a Corsa
I've owned a few L twin Ducati's now and my 1994 916 all the way to my 2022 Panigale V2, vibrate like crazy at low rpms. It's just a characteristic of the engine I believe. Beautiful machine and great content. Cheers from Canada.
Just a Ducati thing then! I'm going to have to get some merch made up!
I don’t find my v2 vibrates unless it’s cold. I have heard the older ones do though
@@Noony79 well I mean relatively speaking, if you are comparing it to other Ducati twins then yes it's a lot smoother, however in comparison with 3 or 4 cylinders it's night and day difference.
Another one who enjoyed the ride around North Beds. My nan used to live in Riseley and I used to go to Sharnbrook Skool (I'm an Oakley boy). Thankfully I managed to escape the Foggy Isle over 20 years ago and now live in the tropics with my VFR800 & Z900RS. Thanks for the vids, Ash! 👍🏼
Beautiful bike, and some great roads too.
I have a blue ST4 with the 916 engine. 'Down sized' from my old ZZR1100 about 16 years ago. I think it's 107BHP so there's a lot more power. But everything else is pretty much the same as the ST2.
I honestly think you'll fall in love with the red beast, and struggle to part with her.
It's a Ducati thing.
Thank you mate, you can't beat a twisty county lane on a bike 👍😎
M796 owner here, the old 2v engines smooth out around 3.5k , lovely and silky at around 5k plus, these engines have a similar bore and stroke ratio to a harley V-Rod. couple the relatively long gearing they can feel very lumpy compared to something like an SV650 at similar RPMs. Sit a gear lower than you usually would and that would be the 'normal' feeling for the bike.
Long winded for saying : She's all good.
Thanks mate, your right, silky smooth above 5k 😊
Sounds fabulous!
Thanks mate, you're right, it does 👍
That was almost enough to make me want to ride a bike...almost. 😂.
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Regarding your clutch comment, on my 97 M750 Ducati, I replaced all brake hoses with top end Goodridge hoses. As well as the brakes improving massively, the hydraulic clutch is now absolutely fine. It was awful before. The hoses were knackered!
Interesting, I'm guessing they're connected together?
@@AshRowland No. Seperate one for each. My old ones were like party baloons. Hopeless!
I've owned a fat boy and still own an SV1000 and the low end thumpy-ness is just characteristic of these types of engine. Don't feel the need to baby them: when a 4 banger will take 3rd into a side street a twin is happier dropping to first. Sounds spot on my friend and thank you for your videos, top work!
Thank you mate, your right, it's very happy in the high rev range, Kate's SV650 is much happier in the lower rev range to be honest, much different gearing though
Not so much thumpy as jerky. If lurches at constant throttle at low rpms
Video quality was very good pal. Just thinks the Dukes vibrate. Part of the character. 👍
Thanks mate, yep, it would seem so 🤣
@ Had an FZR1000 and got to ride a mates GPZ900. Never had a Duke though. On my list. Got a street triple rs at the moment.
@dereklucas8420 got to ride my mate's Fazer a few weeks ago, lovely bike
Well done mate glad you got it out without having to push it back this time 😅🤟
🤣 yea, me too!
That low speed shuddering is a Ducati thing. Apparently the way to ride is low gear high revs. This was told to me by the dealer sales manager after watching me ride off on the scrambler cafe racer. When he handed over the monster 821, he said don't shift up early. These things like a bit of a rev else they shudder at low speeds. I guess it's a request for The Beans.
Yea, I've definitely found this while riding, at 30mph you get a choice of vibrating 3rd gear, or noisy 2nd gear 🤣
@@AshRowland yeah, but what a noise! Well, at least for awhile...
At the beginning I was thinking the wiring would be a nightmare so I'm amazed it came together so easily for you with only a couple of little niggles to sort out now. The video quality was good and funnily enough the starting point is where I work so we obviously live nearby. You should take Kate for a meal at the Fox & hounds at the end of the video. It's probably the best steak you can get in the area...it's ain't cheap though
No way! I worked at that pub for 5 years when I was younger so I know how good the steak is, unfortunately though Kate is a vegitarian... Yes, I got very lucky with the wiring I think 🤔
You need to get a pair of resistors on those rear led indicators...that flash rate would irk my OCD 😂😂😂
I've bought stock ones 😊
Great vid Ash.
Good sound too 👍
Re the gearing, I did mention this to you in an earlier vid, or in one of the emails.
It's just way too tall.
That's on all Ducatis of the period.
The reason being, it was the only way the factory could get the bikes through Italian db limit noise tests.
There are several different ratios through the ST fleet, but standard on ST2 is 15/42, and best remedy (as others have said) is put a 14 toothe sprocket on the front, as this is cheapest and easiest option.
Always use 2 new bolts on the front sprocket though - don't be tempted to re-use the old ones, or you might regret it.
Should cost no more than £25 all in.
Naturally you will also have to adjust the chain.
Yep, thanks mate, it's definitely not the best set up... if I go down the route of perfecting this bike then I'll definitely do it, or it might be a case of move onto the next one 🤔
All that work becomes absolutely worth it within seconds of being on the road.. and it's not just your bike, anything under 35-40 mph and they are so clunky and lumpy. But once they are going there is something really special...
You're absolutely, worth every second of working on a bike just to enjoy the ride at the end
Great ride, great video Ash! - Stay safe on the roads fella!
Thanks buddy 👍
Sweeeeet ride Ash!!! Dang I'm jealous! I love the torque of the L/V engines...went for what was probably the last ride of the season yesterday on the Virago. Love the sound, love the pull.
Thanks mate, I need to do a cruiser at some point I reckon 👍
Video and sound all good Ash. 👍👍
Thanks mate, took me a while to set the sound up on the editing software but I've saved the settings so next time should be a doddle!
As has already ben mentioned, the battery could do with replacing, give yourself some peace of mind Ash. Bike sounds eager and wants to go, enjoy it. 😎😎
I'll get one I reckon, can't hurt can it, I'll have a look through the paperwork and see if I can find a receipt for it out of curiosity
Nice ride runs great!😎👍
Thanks 👍 seems pretty sweet 😊
There's 'low' and there's low. Unless you're setting off nearing freezing, start up, put on your gloves (a few seconds work), and ride on. Just don't hammer on it until it's reached full temp. The display absolutely does NOT mean sit idling. I have the same vintage machine and it's used until road salt is put down and in temps below freezing.
Agree, set off steady until it gets some heat in it but don’t sit stationary idling.
Thanks guys, yea I didn't sit and wait for it, just took it easy like you said 👍
Awesome. Will watch when I'm coming home from the supermarket.
Hope you enjoy
Great channel dude. Love the content. Keep it coming
Thank you mate, plenty more to come 👍
the low end vibration could be the Cush Drive/sprocket bushes are shot. Check the whole chain drive
Good shout, although a lot of people are saying it's just a Ducati thing 🤣
Just for peace of mind, you could check cam timing ist really easy and there are good instructional videos for 2V motors on RUclips as with checking valve clearances, change oil and enjoy. You are right tha low voltage will mess with an ecu's Mellons and make it run like crap, however itis charging well above 2000 RPM so the battery will hold the voltage up when the bike is at low revs. It seemed to pull really well with loads of torque, I think we can agree you were enjoying the ride.....I was enjoying the ride. My clutch was heavy to fitted 900Ss clutch springs and a aftermarket slave cylinder with more mech advantage for Multistrada.... maybe different for your ST!
Before I changed the rectifier the exhaust was popping a lot because it wasn't sparking properly, I'm wondering if it needs a bit more juice while spinning at the lower rpms. Lots of comments suggesting it's pretty normal for a Ducati though 🤣
Beautiful bike. Keep it.
I'd love to, and if I had space I'd never sell any of my bikes, but they have to move on ready for the next project
@@AshRowland that's sad. It's even worse that I'm on the wrong side of the world and can't make you an offer.
Great bike, it sounds great. You should always nod a learners (not delivery riders) we all had to learn at some point and 125s go 65 MPH so they definitely should wear proper gear.
100%
Great content 😊
Thanks mate 👍
subs are flying up mate we will have to arrange a 10k party
Hopefully mate 👍
Looks great vid sound good too🎉
Thanks mate 👍
I wouldn't worry about the vibrations, it's just a big lumpy Duc twin, I found exactly the same thing after riding IL4s for years, then switching to a Multistrada 1200, you'll get used to it. I only really use 6th if I'm over 110kmh (70mph-ish)
Yea, I found 6th to be pointless within the speed limit
Enjoying the ride Ash 👍
Thanks mate
Sounds great Ash I reckon the vibrations are pretty normal with it being a twin & the dry clutches to make a bit of a racket on Ducati's. Seems like your wiring is almost fixed though maybe the regulator is still not 100% with the light coming on unless that normal with Ducati's. I know Italian wiring can be sketchy sometimes but then the bike is 25 plus years old so you can forgive it for that. I really do miss riding a bike at times as I haven't had one for quite some time now, maybe I will again someday.
The best thing about the battery light coming on is that when it goes off I know it's working 🤣
Well done
Thank you 😊
Low rev roughness is a typical V-twin thing. They don't like it. In case of your Ducati: it's a Sport machine, it wants/needs revs. I had a Ducati S2R800, exactely the same it wants rev'ving.
As long as the engine temperature is showing "low", ride normal until it heats up. Fastest way to get an engine on normal temperature is not idling, but a normal ride.
Thanks mate, I'm starting to master it 👍
When I first rode my Multistrada 1000 I hated the vibration, but they disappear above 2500RPM in a lovely great wave of torque and yo soon adapt your riding style to play to the engines strengths. One you have unl3ashed that beautiful ducati noise the termignoni or staintune exhausts and got earplugs pushed in enough so that you can't hear the clutch rattle at idle the the ride starts getting really sweet. It's not about the peak power it's about the torque delivery, you will never manage without a torguey bike again, after a ducati, to help you transition from a 20 valve four, borrow a big single for a few weeks 😂!
The more I ride this bike the more I fall in love with it to be honest. The clutch at idle is pretty awful though 🤣
do a teeth sprocket count on both as people change them if out go back to factory as will be level with fuel and ecu x
Thanks, I'll have a look, seems to be a point of discussion, some people love the standard setup, others can't stand it 🤣
The standard gearing is too high for most use. On my ST4s I only ever used 6th gear on the motorway! Fitting a larger rear and/or smaller front sprocket transforms the ride, Lots of info online about it.
Just drop one tooth to the front sprocket. If you fit a larger rear sprocket you need to change the chain as well as it increases the pitch.
I put a 1 tooth larger rear sprocket on my ST2, made all the difference and could still use correct chain
Keep the standard gearing
I put a 42 tooth on the rear of my ST4 when I renewed the chain, I now use 6th gear. Ducati's are so overgeared with the standard gearing from the factory.
@@ducatist4s45 absolutely it’s perfect standard. …. Pete 🇫🇷
Interested by the remarks about low speed vibration/shaking. I own a TRX 850 Yamaha. The engine had a 270 degree crank, which was meant to simulate the feel of a V twin. The same issue on a steady throttle at low revs, making 20 mph speed limits torture (honest, officer). The recieved wisdom with these bikes is that they run rich and should have the jet size reduced. I did that and it made no obvious difference. I've bought a one-tooth smaller engine sprocket in the hope that this will improve things...once I get the old one off, of course.
Let me know how this goes 👍
@@AshRowland I will, but don't know when it will be. Think someone else in the comments mentions the gearing, and MCN's Bikes We Buy series on RUclips has a feature on the 996 where the owner makes the same point about them being over-geared, in this case to get around the Italian (Euro?) decibel limits.
You need to try the ST4S and yes, they don’t like low revs - one of the great myths of twins is their fabled low end torque, the low end torque needs 5K on the click. A 4 will pull cleanly from low revs, even if it doesn’t pull very strongly it will still pull. A twin will just make a lot of noise and vibration.
Thanks mate, if I get the chance I'll jump on one 👍
Some early Ducatis has just a single yellow wire and one coil for charging. They changed that on later models to three coils and three yellow wires going out and into the rectifier, because the single coil could not supply enough power.
Yep, mines one of the early ones with a single phase generator 👍
@@AshRowland Maybe time for an upgrade? Or change all lights to LED? They consume less power.
you know the massive thing that pisses me off nowadays, compared to when I started riding in 1996, on a tuned TZR125 YPVS..... back in those days, the farmers kept all the hedgerows trimmed down and you could see around all the bends you wanted to take.
Now, they are left to grow up without maintenance, and it's very hard to find a bend you can trust to go around at any great speed.
I always remember when I was in my early 20s and riding a CBR400RR, coming back from a bike meet at the Waterman, me and my mates had just left the place and were heading back through Meridan, towards Nuneaton.
There a section of blind bends through a wooded section on the way back, and we'd gone through fine, but riding like total dicks.
When I got back home to Nuneaton, a couple of days later, my mate rang me up and asked if I'd heard about the rider who died just a few minutes after we'd gone through the same wooded section of road?
I said no, and he went on to tell me that literally 5 minutes after we'd all blatted through that section, riding round blind bends like total twats, another rider had gone down the same blind bend, and had run into the back of a tractor with those spike things on it, and had been killed instantly... This really shook me up and even to this day I can't abide to ride around blind bends without that awful tragedy coming into my mind, and this must have been 26 years ago!
that's why it vexes me to see all the hedgerows not cut back to 6 feet, it's made the roads way more dangerous
Thanks mate, definitely food for thought there!
I have a Ducati 900ss , if you chugg it from low rev’s it will vibrate, chain tension and how good the rubber cushion blocks in the rear wheel have a significant effect on vibration….Oh I also have a KTM 640 Adventure, that even with a balancer shaft moves around on my drive on the centre stand… now that is vibration!! 😮😅
Definitely seems to be a Ducati thing 🤣 make sure it doesn't come off the stand 😉
Hi i own 2 Ducati,s 650 monster and a 800 Scrambler, the L twin with hydro clutches do make them rubbish at low revs, you soon get used to riding them at slow speeds and in traffic with a combination of short shifting 1st and second with a little slipping the clutch. not sure about the battery light but hey as long as your moving or off tick over its charging,,
I guess it's all a learning curve, every bike is different at the end of the day 👍
What was the total cost to get it and repair it ?
It's hard to say because I part exchanged the Thundercat for it but I'd say around £1200
Hi Ash what house were you in at school there was Stafford,Richmond and Derby I was in Derby with all the geeks and numpties there was only the two of us myself and Kevin Blair that were any good at sports we took it in turns to be house captain over the years our PE teacher was Clive Dobbs he was a good bloke as were all the teachers. thanks for bringing back fond memories see ya .
We didn't have Houses when I was at school, perhaps a while before/after I was there 👍
The vibration is the character of the Ducati,I think you're battery even though it held a charge has a bad cell in it being old,So the charge light on your dash is possibly showing that at low revs.. Recommend a new battery anyway..Ian
Thanks Ian, a few others have suggested this so I'll go get one I think 👍
None of the Ducati STs like being run under 3k rpm... they're much happier over that and a lot smoother! I've found the best bits of those bikes are the torque and handling... get the suspension set up and tyre pressures right (I usually run 32/34psi on my ST2), and they do exactly what you're thinking before you've made any inputs
Run 36, 40 psi. You'll be much happier.
@ducatist4s45 I'm quite light... I've tried harder, and the front feels really skippy. 32/34 suits my weight perfectly with my current suspension set up
Thanks mate, I've been using 37 37 and it feels nice, front might be a little high so I'll see what 34 feels like 👍
Try undoing the engine mounting bolts and then tighten them back up again. If it's still the same, it might be worth checking the alternator flywheel. The retaining nuts have been known to come loose. How many miles has the bike done?
Sorry, I sent the previous message before you mentioned the mileage😊
Thanks mate, I'll take a look, although a lot of folks are saying the vibration is pretty normal for these lol
You’re all driving on the wrong side of the road!!😂
Camera's flipped 😉
@ good one !!😄
Most U tubers blur the speedo so the powers that be can't see how fast they are going. Any digital evidence, date and time stamped, can be used in court weeks and months after the ride.
What!? I thought it was a fault with the bikes 🤣
Running stator connected to reg -rectifier but disconnected from battery will damage stator windings. It will burn them up. Replace stator.😢
Thanks for the heads up
A little story for you.
The origins of the L twin term lie way back in the mists of the 1970's when Ducati made an earlier type of 90' twin. This was known in the normal way as a V twin, because it was.
When Ducati started making belt drive 90' twins they wanted to differentiate the two V twins, so they started calling the belt drive ones L Twins.
In short is isn't relevant any more, it was needed until the mid 80's but by the 90's it had no importance beyond pedantry.
Thanks mate, very interesting 👍
the known low on throttle 2300 rpm till 2800 rpm kind of hic-ups is a crankshaft& sensor rpm counting sensative area (32 teeth 2 missing) in the cpu iaw16m with 68hc11processor
crankshaft is slowing down to rotate threu compresson this causing spark timing
calculation /mis calculation on this setup form factory
(no hick ups on fiat panda /lancia cars 60 teeth 2 missing same kind of ecu iaw16f )
,put the crankshaft sensor distance with in specs
valve intake and exhaust play with in specs
and sychronisation throttle boddy
feul pressure 3bar
and chain tension in range
maybe a good eprom
good feul (E5)
Very detailed there mate, thanks, very interesting
Good night Ash and Kate i love watching your RUclips videos on your RUclips channel
I could hear all that you were saying when you were riding on your motorbike I hope you and kate are all well it would be nice on one of your you tube videos wearing and showing what you your motor hike gear looks like and how you look with Kate in hers please Ash
I hope yo u are enjoying you ride on on your new ducati please can you show moe of you fixing it thank you and I hope both of you are keeping safe and warm please keep up your good work on your you tube videos on your you tube channel you made me smaile and happy tonight wheres kate can you do a ride out with her please but first can you show her and you with you motor gear on t hank you I will give you tonight 100000 gold stars you have earned all of toses gold stars keep it up
Thank you David 😊 Kate is heading to Australia for a month but when she gets back we'll go for a ride! 👍
Never assume anybody can see you.
I thought that as well, at that point in the vid.
People waiting at junctions will even seemingly make eye contact with you, so you KNOW they have seen you, and THEN they will pull out on you.
Last time a car pulled out and hit me the driver was looking straight at me as they did it.
Mental!
Of course, ride as if every other person on the road is an assassin
Nice bike. Why do you guys drive on the wrong side of the road?
Left is right.
Because we weren’t invaded by Napoleon.
Oooh, someone's trying to start an Internet fight 🤣
So our sword is in the right hand Obvzs. How would you fight an incoming horseman otherwise?
@@tim_pearson As only an American can, double fisted.
Ducatis don’t do below 3000 rpm. Ducatis are vibey but smooth out after 4500 rpm. They also don’t pull high gears at low speed. So use 2nd or 3rd gear up to 30 mph. All totally normal Ducati character. Your idle revs may not be accurately shown on the rev counter. Try increasing the idle revs a touch to see if the light goes out.
Thanks mate, if I increase the idle revs slightly then yes the light goes out 👍
They are not a bike that likes lugging. It sounds great.
Very true, thanks 😊
they don't get going till 6000 rpm! They also need the gearing reduced.
I realise that now 🤣
Tyres could be causing te vibration
Thanks, it's definitely an engine vibration though 👍 having said that, I'll check the tyres over
Just start it up ,wait 10 seconds then ride it.
Yea, just not full throttle 😉
Get on the twisties, go into the corners at 4,500 rpm and accelerate out. Ducatis are addictive.
100% 👍
No they are not VFR smooth but not as lumpy as yours seems to be, to be honest, and they are a riders bike if running right and with practice they are as easy to ride in traffic as any bike, with 19k on the clock she should ride like a dream, is your airbox attached properly is the air box the race item ie no lid ? Just the sides, god makes me want to get another one and there’s a silver one in my dealers in Rennes 🥴 mirrors and clocks shouldn’t vibrate even at high revs in fact all 3 of mine smoothed out at high revs 👍 have the cam belts been changed how old are they have you any history of when the were last done and by who critical that you know this, they are reliable, present no problems as long as they are changed every 12k or sooner and adjusted properly, again critical, will effect how the bike goes right up to the point one snaps and the motor lunches itself, buy Ducati belts, don’t fit after market, I had mates who did and regretted it, now how much was that ST2 in Rennes 😂😂😂😂 ….Pete 🇫🇷
Whereabouts in Rennes?
I have friends just outside of Langon - down the D177 from Sortie 8 Rennes Rocade for maybe 25 miles, then hang a left down D54 and D59
I've ridden the area loads on my ST4 and ST4S
@@peterbee88Hi Pete ,Pete here 😂 the dealers in Rennes, Rue de Lorient N24, I’m 5 mins from Mont st Michel, Pontorson, have you been there ? Are you in the uk ? I sold the Ducatis a Buell n Ktm and one of my Vespas, only bought on Vespa with me, px 125, and a couple of years ago bought my self a RE350 classic which weirdly I really enjoy perfect for around here …. Pete 🇫🇷
@@PeterHolland-mu7yn
No never been there.
Closest I've been is riding past on the A84 heading for Rennes.
It rides and pulls like a dream above 5k so engine is running nicely. Its got the original airbox on it, the entire bike is original and standard. Belts were done at 12k and it's done 19k now so they're withing the 12k limit but I'm not sure how long ago, need to double check the paperwork. 👍
@@AshRowlandHi Ash Ducati OE belts are very reliable and you can take them over their time / mileage recommendations but not knowingly like I did, did the ride to the Nurburgring and did the circuit 😳 scariest thing I’ve ever done on a motorcycle I was on my 900Ss ie and when I got back home realised the belts were 4 months overdue 🥴 but it was ridden regularly, I understand the damage is done when left standing I knew a guy who had a 916 who said the belts had been done, and had only done 1500 miles but 4 years ago not good, ….. Pete 🇫🇷
Ducatis are not happy at low revs in high gears.
Yea, I realise that now thanks 😊
Looked like a close pass to the cyclist at 1:01.
The wide angle of the camera makes it look closer than it is
@ except for the road position when the road is likely no more than 8m wide.
@@afitzsimonswhat was he supposed to do? Go head on with the van coming the other way!! There was loads of space between him and the cyclists…
@ He is supposed to give a minimum of 1.5 metres, if he can’t then he should hold back until safe to do so. Quite simple.
Ahh your a Bedford rider
Born and bred