Bro i really love your videos! Thanks for guide us, im waiting for the storm single target build guide because my ST sucks and i need your help :( ty again for the videos!
hey man, i really needed this! i've got some challenges on the last build you covered. Some guides are showing EB is higher priority than even LB during primordial wave buff. Is that correct? Another question i have is that in that build all spenders should go at 5+ stacks, while in aoe build they should go at 10+. Why is that so? and what exactly should be doing at 2 targets? (mythic experiments).
Hey xunni, thanks for the guide, very useful! If you could, I have some more in-depth questions :D : - A couple of other guides prioritise Ice Strike / Frost Shock spend over Lava Lash Cycling. What's your reasoning here? - Looking a Warcraftlogs of high key enhancers, quite a few end up dealing most of their dmg with Frost Shock followed by Chain Lightning. With your priority list I always end up with Chain Lightning as #1 dmg ability. - From how many targets onwards is Crash Lightning a higher prio button - given that it is uncapped? (For example the trash packs in BH after first boss are always huge and had me wondering) Any help would be much appreciated!
1. Short answer is because it sims better but the difference between prioritizing LL cycling over FS/IS vs the other way around is minimal. I'll expand more on this below. 2. I checked the few M+ logs I have for myself and most of the time Frost Shock was my highest as well although sometimes Chain Lightning was higher. Unless other guides you are seeing prioritize spending Hailstorm stacks over casting Chain Lightning I'm not entirely sure why that would be though. 3. Its a fairly high target count needed 15+ I think. Definitely not something you run into much. To expand on question 1 and show the difference in DPS between different priorities: If we do a sim using the prio list in the video we end up with ~452k DPS (Keep in mind this is assuming all BIS gear which is why the DPS is higher than what the average character will sim at) www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qfSfkY3R3d1JFq775Ugzhm. If we sim and prio IS/FS over LL cycling we get ~448k DPS www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1ybduZ9tPfXoMARdezJEod only a -1% difference. We can optimize this a bit more though and prioritize FS over LL cycling only if we have both hailstorm stacks and the buff from IS and get ~451k DPS www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nxYUqU5B5LNgTHp1yuBvtn and only a -0.3% difference from the base sim. Of course these are from sims so in an actual Mythic+ things may vary a bit by the specific situation. For example if you have both LL and FS with hailstorm stacks available and the pack of mobs you're fighting is nearly dead prioritizing FS is probably better because you won't be getting much value from Lashing Flames. Or if you are dealing with a situation with a lot of movement and can't get in range for a LL it's better to use FS with hailstorm stacks so you don't waste a GCD doing nothing. There's probably some other min maxing you can do as well with the rotation like if you have only 3 targets a LL with max ashen catalyst stacks during a Hot Hand window will do more damage than FS with 10 hailstorm stacks unless you also have the IS buff, but getting down to this level of detail is probably too much information to keep track of in game. To summarize whether you prioritize LL cycling or FS/IS higher imo it's better to do whichever you are more comfortable with because that will likely lead you to doing higher DPS. :)
@@xunni Hey man, thanks for this :). And this is is what I suspected. LL cycling is just a bit more challenging to execute well at times :D. Thanks again!
Hey! Thanks for the video, I just started last week and I'm trying to make elementalist shaman work. I'm currently Ilvl 399, and I can do my rotations for AOE and funnel quite well. Problem is, I've tested the funnel and single target damage by rotating 20 secs on a dummy, and I can't seem to get the single target rotation to do more damage in that window. From what I tested, the transcendence uptime doesn't increase the damage by that much, and the funnel rotation gets to do more damage at more times. Tests have just been done on a dummy, what do you think I could be doing wrong?
Depending on how much haste you have Ascendance may not be worthwhile to run and you may just be better off running the funnel setup even in single target. Regardless of your secondary stats the two builds are very close in terms of damage in single target so there's nothing wrong with running funnel. As a side note if you are doing single target fights you may want to check out the storm single target build: ruclips.net/video/07HY_uS6bRU/видео.html
To correct my question - in funnel build eb is out higher than pwave lightning bolt only at 2 stacks. So all in all I just have a problem understanding which spenders to use and at how many stacks and most importantly why
Our stack generation is much better with the AOE build thanks to crash lightning which is why we can afford to wait until 10 stacks to spend in AOE but in the other builds we want to spend at 5+ stacks even in a two target scenario like experiments. For experiments do make sure to spread lava lashes across both active bosses to maintain lashing flames though. Based on sims the only time worth prioritizing elemental blast over pwave lightning bolt is if you have 4 wolves up at once but this is generally a short overlap window when it does happen so I choose not to include it here to avoid confusion. Not sure if other guides are including that or not but that may be why they show ele blast over pwave lightning bolt. For funnel build specifically here is why the priority for spenders is how it is: pwave lb - Does big dam and pwave will give you 10 stacks so you'll always be setup to use at max damage which you may miss out on otherwise. Plus this is giving us haste based on the number of targets flame shock is on which helps our stack generation. ele blast 2 charges - This is next prio spender because if we are sitting at 2 charges it means we are wasting uses of it over the long run so need to make sure one charge is always on cd chain lightning with tier buff - With the tier set bonus chain lightning does good single target damage and more importantly refunds us stacks giving us feral spirit cd reduction and allowing us to use more spenders ele blast with wolves - The elemental spirit wolves give ele blast a ~40% damage increase so want to get as many of these off while wolves are active as we can. ele blast/chain lightning - This is farther down the prio list but at this point it just comes down to using ele blast if we have charges or chain lightning otherwise. Hopefully that helps a bit
Bro i really love your videos! Thanks for guide us, im waiting for the storm single target build guide because my ST sucks and i need your help :( ty again for the videos!
hey man, i really needed this!
i've got some challenges on the last build you covered. Some guides are showing EB is higher priority than even LB during primordial wave buff. Is that correct?
Another question i have is that in that build all spenders should go at 5+ stacks, while in aoe build they should go at 10+. Why is that so? and what exactly should be doing at 2 targets? (mythic experiments).
Hey xunni, thanks for the guide, very useful!
If you could, I have some more in-depth questions :D :
- A couple of other guides prioritise Ice Strike / Frost Shock spend over Lava Lash Cycling. What's your reasoning here?
- Looking a Warcraftlogs of high key enhancers, quite a few end up dealing most of their dmg with Frost Shock followed by Chain Lightning. With your priority list I always end up with Chain Lightning as #1 dmg ability.
- From how many targets onwards is Crash Lightning a higher prio button - given that it is uncapped? (For example the trash packs in BH after first boss are always huge and had me wondering)
Any help would be much appreciated!
1. Short answer is because it sims better but the difference between prioritizing LL cycling over FS/IS vs the other way around is minimal. I'll expand more on this below.
2. I checked the few M+ logs I have for myself and most of the time Frost Shock was my highest as well although sometimes Chain Lightning was higher. Unless other guides you are seeing prioritize spending Hailstorm stacks over casting Chain Lightning I'm not entirely sure why that would be though.
3. Its a fairly high target count needed 15+ I think. Definitely not something you run into much.
To expand on question 1 and show the difference in DPS between different priorities:
If we do a sim using the prio list in the video we end up with ~452k DPS (Keep in mind this is assuming all BIS gear which is why the DPS is higher than what the average character will sim at) www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qfSfkY3R3d1JFq775Ugzhm.
If we sim and prio IS/FS over LL cycling we get ~448k DPS www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1ybduZ9tPfXoMARdezJEod only a -1% difference.
We can optimize this a bit more though and prioritize FS over LL cycling only if we have both hailstorm stacks and the buff from IS and get ~451k DPS www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nxYUqU5B5LNgTHp1yuBvtn and only a -0.3% difference from the base sim.
Of course these are from sims so in an actual Mythic+ things may vary a bit by the specific situation. For example if you have both LL and FS with hailstorm stacks available and the pack of mobs you're fighting is nearly dead prioritizing FS is probably better because you won't be getting much value from Lashing Flames. Or if you are dealing with a situation with a lot of movement and can't get in range for a LL it's better to use FS with hailstorm stacks so you don't waste a GCD doing nothing.
There's probably some other min maxing you can do as well with the rotation like if you have only 3 targets a LL with max ashen catalyst stacks during a Hot Hand window will do more damage than FS with 10 hailstorm stacks unless you also have the IS buff, but getting down to this level of detail is probably too much information to keep track of in game.
To summarize whether you prioritize LL cycling or FS/IS higher imo it's better to do whichever you are more comfortable with because that will likely lead you to doing higher DPS. :)
@@xunni Hey man, thanks for this :). And this is is what I suspected. LL cycling is just a bit more challenging to execute well at times :D. Thanks again!
@@xunni Hey sorry, me again - any thoughts on how priorities change for aoe situations following 10.1.5?
@@MistaSpezial When it comes to AOE nothing has changed :)
@@xunni Ah tought Lava Lash might have become more important during Hot Hands due to the 20% buff and that this would change prio order
Hey! Thanks for the video, I just started last week and I'm trying to make elementalist shaman work. I'm currently Ilvl 399, and I can do my rotations for AOE and funnel quite well. Problem is, I've tested the funnel and single target damage by rotating 20 secs on a dummy, and I can't seem to get the single target rotation to do more damage in that window. From what I tested, the transcendence uptime doesn't increase the damage by that much, and the funnel rotation gets to do more damage at more times. Tests have just been done on a dummy, what do you think I could be doing wrong?
Depending on how much haste you have Ascendance may not be worthwhile to run and you may just be better off running the funnel setup even in single target. Regardless of your secondary stats the two builds are very close in terms of damage in single target so there's nothing wrong with running funnel.
As a side note if you are doing single target fights you may want to check out the storm single target build: ruclips.net/video/07HY_uS6bRU/видео.html
@@xunni Ah okay, that would make sense. I'm not at a high enough ilvl to prioritise substats over gear yet, so thanks for you suggestion!
Storm guide when?
we need storm guide please and thank you
Hoping to have it out in a few days
hI, wath weak aura do you use? cya
This is it: wago.io/LuxthosShamanDragonflight
To correct my question - in funnel build eb is out higher than pwave lightning bolt only at 2 stacks. So all in all I just have a problem understanding which spenders to use and at how many stacks and most importantly why
Our stack generation is much better with the AOE build thanks to crash lightning which is why we can afford to wait until 10 stacks to spend in AOE but in the other builds we want to spend at 5+ stacks even in a two target scenario like experiments. For experiments do make sure to spread lava lashes across both active bosses to maintain lashing flames though.
Based on sims the only time worth prioritizing elemental blast over pwave lightning bolt is if you have 4 wolves up at once but this is generally a short overlap window when it does happen so I choose not to include it here to avoid confusion. Not sure if other guides are including that or not but that may be why they show ele blast over pwave lightning bolt.
For funnel build specifically here is why the priority for spenders is how it is:
pwave lb - Does big dam and pwave will give you 10 stacks so you'll always be setup to use at max damage which you may miss out on otherwise. Plus this is giving us haste based on the number of targets flame shock is on which helps our stack generation.
ele blast 2 charges - This is next prio spender because if we are sitting at 2 charges it means we are wasting uses of it over the long run so need to make sure one charge is always on cd
chain lightning with tier buff - With the tier set bonus chain lightning does good single target damage and more importantly refunds us stacks giving us feral spirit cd reduction and allowing us to use more spenders
ele blast with wolves - The elemental spirit wolves give ele blast a ~40% damage increase so want to get as many of these off while wolves are active as we can.
ele blast/chain lightning - This is farther down the prio list but at this point it just comes down to using ele blast if we have charges or chain lightning otherwise.
Hopefully that helps a bit
@@xunni super helpful man, thank you so much!