Even if you're on an "evil" playthrough, you shouldn't just keep siding with the absolute over and over... Evil effectively means you've relieved yourself of moral boundaries in pursuit of your self-serving ideals. If torturing or killing serves you, do it. If siding with "good" people serves you, then do it. If betraying them later serves you, then do that too. You often are taking the path of least resistance to power. Just doing strictly evil things because you're evil is a shallow idea of how it really works, and you end up just being a pawn in everyone else's games.
*nods* Exactly... having a wretched Githyanki with me would have not served me, in my opinion, so I got rid of here, seeing as this would also give me points with the dear Tieflings. I am my own evil, so why should I follow someone (the absolute) that might try to control me ? I'd rather let them all think I am the hero, while in truth barely caring for their lifes. And only saving those that may be useful. A shame, really, that I could not bring Thorm to my own side, as he would have served a useful asset. But oh well, I successfully deceived the supposed heroes to heed my every call. Aka... some Elf thinks she is evil, but is actually the good guy, simply because so far every "evil" decision would had have to many negative aspects in her eyes, with far less gains then just doing the good thing. In turn just meaning... there is no such thing as black and white here, instead only a big mass of greys...
OMG TY. I was shocked no one is talking about this fight w Balz. Like not a single guide or nothing and I've never seen anyone else talk about this fight. I tried for HOURS and finally won but OMG this fight needs to be more known about
Some of the "good" companions are actually kinda neutral and can become evil Shadowheart - starts out good, but get her invested in Shar worship and kill both the Nightsong and her parents, and she becomes full Dark Justiciar Lae'zel - the Githyanki were considered "evil" in older editions of D&D, and while BG3 is sympathetic to them, they still show the brutal and warmongering nature of their upbringing. Also, having Lae'zel commit to Vlaakith is kinda evil, especially if she kills V Gale - arguably the most good of the above three, but the dude starts getting power hungry when he learns of the Crown of Karsus. I think that there is an avenue for an evil Gale Compared to the above, only Karlach and Wyll are the most good. A lot of this also banks on how willing they are to stick around after betraying the grove
It's interesting how some Gamers think Astarian isn't evil just because he was Abused, while over-looking that he's a 250 year old Vampire that has more of a body count then all the Serial Killers in history - while giving off Sociopathic, Sadomastic, Necrophiliac, Rape Vibes.
I've always seen it as becoming a *greater* evil. These half-wits think they can be evil? They didn't slaughter an entire grove of children and innocents to gain the approval of a drow to get laid.
Ti be fair, you can be evil. It’s just that in doing so you surround yourself with other evil characters. After all, every single on of the Chosen Three wants to betray the other two, it’s quite coherent 😂
@@shepherdlavellen3301 Yep I forgot to comment that too haha, I had some form of suspition I just didn't remember his name before, what a fitting voice too, all I could remember was JJJ haha.
@@shepherdlavellen3301 Tobey is a legend but I believe Tom Holland balanced both faces of spider man well, Tobey and Andrew did well only half of the character I guess but I think that Tom Holland objectively speaking is the best.
I tried my best to be as evil as possible killed druid grow and kidnapped isobel and handed over nightsong.. 3 of my companions straight up left me (wyll + karlac + shadowhearth) and for what? a few squid poles and a ending that basically forces me to be good anyways.. and for some reason jeheria forgives me even tho i doomed her entire camp on purpose... the game has some wierd logic when you plaly the evil way... your companions leave you and you get basically nothing in return.. you even miss out on a legendary item and it is all for nothing... one would assume that evil means getting as much power as possible and betraying others to gain this power.. i basically just betrayed everyonen for nothing lol
@@broseidon2519 umm what? Witcher is a good game, but I'm pretty sure that you can't be evil in that game. You are Geralt Of Rivia nothing more or less.
@@broseidon2519 Forced to be good is not the same as forced to fight Ketheric. Evil doesn't get along either and often collides with one another. There are entire evil faiths that go out of their way to kill other evil faiths in this setting. "Good" as a concept isn't united either.
@broseidon2519 That is literally the claim that was made for this conversation. Also, you could never concievably side with Ketheric ever, because you carry the artifact that can get in the way of his destiny, and it will not leave you.
@@broseidon2519 Witcher 3 had such dogshit combat that the story really doesn't matter. Hell the even the story that Witcher fanboys talk about at nauseum is so bland, uninteresting, and just has bad writing overall. Y'all should read more books and then talk about stories.
I wish there was a way I could play this that didn't upset Myrkul as I played as a necromancer that worshipped him. Myrkul is the one of the dead 3 you wouldn't be able to side with no matter what you do.
*SPOILER* You can avoid the Moon Tower and go straight to Baldur's Gate. Although the Guardian will transform you into a mind flayer and its game over.
Yeah We Mod. I used that when I was testing out classes and just wanted out of the tutorial area. I guess this guy wanted to just see what happens if you side with the cultists.
@@D3athL1vin I thought if you want to be evil, you might wanna get rid of these guys so I choose to kill Ketheric anyway. Just wanted to know what happens if you don't kill them but seems there is none
I feel bad for Ketheric. He resurrects his daughter, who hates him. He honestly always seems like a pretty good guy trying to do his best and everyone just wants to destroy all that he's built.
I mean, Ketheric was a victim since the beginning after the deaths of his wife and Isobel. When he turned to Shar that was the moment she twisted him to become what she wanted, and I doubt Ketheric wanted to be an evil guy. But he did what most humans do in desperate situations, follow a leader and his ideals. When it was not enough and the memories would not subside, he betrayed Shar and went to Myrkul for reviving Isobel and in return, creating the Absolute and later take control of it. This was the moment it was not about his daughter, but to serve Myrkul. He was used and abused. Yes he made a deal with Death, but during the fight on Moonrise Towers, he almost switched sides, had Aylin not slammed down in front of him and taunted him.
nah Ketheric was insane and planned to betray his allies anyways. From readinf some of the letters and books the Guy had a screw loose way before the absolute plot. You'd never be able to side with him
The main stopping point of being evil is that you have to fight the cult regardless. You cant be completely free if you dont kill them and they wont stop hunting you because you have the artifact
You have a mind controlling tadpole in your head! You have three choices: - Destroy/subjugate the cult - Be enslaved - Die An evil character does not mean good deeds are impossible for you perform- quite the opposite you would do whatever you can to be free. By the time you reach the Ketheric boss fight I cannot imagine any character who would side with him, unless they prefer the 2nd or 3rd option.
@@ondrejbronec837I'm not even talking about this mission. I mean overall. There's way less content and you're essentially nerfing your own character by going evil. Your only reward for going this route is Minthara and she's still bugged.
@@jbshbsskskhbs6713 So, I just tried this because I couldn't find the answer. Ketheric is really grateful that you brought his daughter back, but then he finds out that you have the artefact so the same exact thing happens. :/
And I'd be willing to bet with almost 100% certainty that there is no way to *not* have the artefact. I've tried several ways in the intro and it just teleports into your inventory even if you kill Shadowheart or never talk to her.
@@WizavPRO This is correct. I didn't reverse engineer the game or anything because I'm not familiar with the game engine, but I did run through the early game with a couple of tests and I'd say with almost "absolute" certainty that it's unavoidable. Even if you never meet Shadowheart, or you kill her on the ship, or on the beach, the artefact goes into your inventory when you get to the goblin camp and you can't give it to anyone
True "evil" will never side with losers binding their will and souls with some weak Gods. True "evil" never use such term like "evil". "Evil" is an opinion, a judgment of those who are not worthy of judging. The one who is true only to itself, not bound by the chains of morality, faith or the opinions of others can be called truly "evil" or, to put it correctly, FREE. This is practically not implemented in the game. Here you either play in a team with losers or help "good" people. And only at the end it is possible to flip the board and take over, but it felt like you cheated and didn't deserve it at all.
I think currently they have covered the main 2 avenues: - "Good" playthrough by doing the obvious thing - "Evil" playthrough by carving a path that you think is best for you no matter the consequences or price There is a lot of other paths like: What if you fully side with the absolute? What if you discard the emperor for being a loser? What if you give Vlaakith the artifact and kill the emperor? However most of those have a simple answer: You die. What you said is cool, but this just isn't that kind of story. You mock Vlaakith for being weak - she kills you, you don't trust the emperor - your story ends, you side with the absolute - your story ends. Character that you describe sounds interesting, but would not reach the endgame. You need those "losers" to survive. The only way to take over is to lie to everyone, use them and flip the script. Otherwise your pathetic little lvl. 12 nobody doesn't have what it takes to do it alone. Ultimately you actually are free to choose and do almost anything. Just don't expect the rules of the world and the characters in the story to shift around to make your choices correct.
@ChaoticAndEvil Name checks out. Anyways, you can very much not side with anyone. You don't need to help anyone either. But then again you're also not playing a god so of course that has limitations
After how Aylin treated Thorms Corpse I felt "Yeaaaah... who is the true villain here, I wonder... maybe I should have let her stay prisoned... or let Shadowheart kill her..." Suuuure she had it hard... but she is annoying as fuck...
She was literally killed thousands of times. That little introduction scene Ketheric did - she was the one actually getting stabbed by the spear and almost getting her head choped off. What she did to him was a mercy in comparision. I will agree she gives you some reasons to dislike her. She has a lot of Lawful Good murder hobo palladin vibes. The devs even think of this and allow you to give her over to Lorroakan later. However thinking she is a villain of any sort is dellusional. It is purely based on the voice acting and most of Ketheric's atrocities happening prior to the game starting. He is a monster that killed and ressurected countless innocent villagers, betrayed two gods, tormented Aylin to do cool displays of power and is willing to plunge the world into a zombie apocalypse just because his daughter and wife died. His voice and temper are amazing though - that contrast is sort of the point of his character IMO.
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I hate that you cant side with Ketheric. I want an evil path where you serve as an underling as one of the 3.
That would mean the player loses control over the character though. (spoilers:) and Ketheric was doomed anyways
@@sblbb929 it would not mean that. And ketheric wouldn’t die if we didn’t kill him.
Even if you're on an "evil" playthrough, you shouldn't just keep siding with the absolute over and over... Evil effectively means you've relieved yourself of moral boundaries in pursuit of your self-serving ideals. If torturing or killing serves you, do it. If siding with "good" people serves you, then do it. If betraying them later serves you, then do that too. You often are taking the path of least resistance to power. Just doing strictly evil things because you're evil is a shallow idea of how it really works, and you end up just being a pawn in everyone else's games.
*nods* Exactly... having a wretched Githyanki with me would have not served me, in my opinion, so I got rid of here, seeing as this would also give me points with the dear Tieflings. I am my own evil, so why should I follow someone (the absolute) that might try to control me ? I'd rather let them all think I am the hero, while in truth barely caring for their lifes. And only saving those that may be useful. A shame, really, that I could not bring Thorm to my own side, as he would have served a useful asset. But oh well, I successfully deceived the supposed heroes to heed my every call.
Aka... some Elf thinks she is evil, but is actually the good guy, simply because so far every "evil" decision would had have to many negative aspects in her eyes, with far less gains then just doing the good thing. In turn just meaning... there is no such thing as black and white here, instead only a big mass of greys...
A dishonest man you can always trust him to be dishonest honestly its the honest ones you have to be careful of
why'd you have to type that out like you're on a rp server in world of warcraft@@kirisuma2186
I play evil killing the good guys and bad guys because this what "Evil" means
You should become a philosopher
OMG TY. I was shocked no one is talking about this fight w Balz. Like not a single guide or nothing and I've never seen anyone else talk about this fight. I tried for HOURS and finally won but OMG this fight needs to be more known about
That's sucks, Absolute guys seems cool for pure evil run. But damn artifact ruins it all
Nah, why would you commit yourself as their pawn on an evil run?
@@bengunn9670 when I wrote the comment I didn’t know that the absolute was a scam, and I’m glad that the game has a separate evil ending
We really need another 'evil" companion. Now we only have Minthara and Astarion
Laezel is kinda evil too i guess
Some of the "good" companions are actually kinda neutral and can become evil
Shadowheart - starts out good, but get her invested in Shar worship and kill both the Nightsong and her parents, and she becomes full Dark Justiciar
Lae'zel - the Githyanki were considered "evil" in older editions of D&D, and while BG3 is sympathetic to them, they still show the brutal and warmongering nature of their upbringing. Also, having Lae'zel commit to Vlaakith is kinda evil, especially if she kills V
Gale - arguably the most good of the above three, but the dude starts getting power hungry when he learns of the Crown of Karsus. I think that there is an avenue for an evil Gale
Compared to the above, only Karlach and Wyll are the most good. A lot of this also banks on how willing they are to stick around after betraying the grove
Astarian isn't really 'evil' per se, more like traumatized and abused.
@@nightshademilkshake1ascend him, and you'll see true colours of evil.
It's interesting how some Gamers think Astarian isn't evil just because he was Abused, while over-looking that he's a 250 year old Vampire that has more of a body count then all the Serial Killers in history - while giving off Sociopathic, Sadomastic, Necrophiliac, Rape Vibes.
kinda lame i did everything right for these guys. and they still betray you. i guess you can't be completely evil.
I've always seen it as becoming a *greater* evil. These half-wits think they can be evil? They didn't slaughter an entire grove of children and innocents to gain the approval of a drow to get laid.
Their entire point is they want to control everything. You are outside of that. Ofc they are going to betray you
what did you expected from evil bastards that serve greedy evil gods? loyalty?trust?friendship?
You can join bhaal or bane in baldurs gate just not myrkul
Ti be fair, you can be evil. It’s just that in doing so you surround yourself with other evil characters. After all, every single on of the Chosen Three wants to betray the other two, it’s quite coherent 😂
i will keep searching till i finally find a way to keep that man alive :*
Ketheric is the only american accent I found in the game its hilarious haha.
FYI it's JK Simmons
@@shepherdlavellen3301 Yep I forgot to comment that too haha, I had some form of suspition I just didn't remember his name before, what a fitting voice too, all I could remember was JJJ haha.
@@SlivkoverseStories same, for a while I can't remember which one is the actor and which one is the character, also Toby Maguire is the best Spiderman
@@shepherdlavellen3301 Tobey is a legend but I believe Tom Holland balanced both faces of spider man well, Tobey and Andrew did well only half of the character I guess but I think that Tom Holland objectively speaking is the best.
The original baldurs gate games had plenty of american accents. I guess they wanted to make it more consistent.
I tried my best to be as evil as possible killed druid grow and kidnapped isobel and handed over nightsong.. 3 of my companions straight up left me (wyll + karlac + shadowhearth) and for what? a few squid poles and a ending that basically forces me to be good anyways.. and for some reason jeheria forgives me even tho i doomed her entire camp on purpose... the game has some wierd logic when you plaly the evil way... your companions leave you and you get basically nothing in return.. you even miss out on a legendary item and it is all for nothing... one would assume that evil means getting as much power as possible and betraying others to gain this power.. i basically just betrayed everyonen for nothing lol
This isn't necessarily forced into the path of good. Just you are still forced to fight him.
@@broseidon2519 umm what? Witcher is a good game, but I'm pretty sure that you can't be evil in that game. You are Geralt Of Rivia nothing more or less.
@@broseidon2519 Forced to be good is not the same as forced to fight Ketheric. Evil doesn't get along either and often collides with one another. There are entire evil faiths that go out of their way to kill other evil faiths in this setting. "Good" as a concept isn't united either.
@broseidon2519 That is literally the claim that was made for this conversation. Also, you could never concievably side with Ketheric ever, because you carry the artifact that can get in the way of his destiny, and it will not leave you.
@@broseidon2519 Witcher 3 had such dogshit combat that the story really doesn't matter. Hell the even the story that Witcher fanboys talk about at nauseum is so bland, uninteresting, and just has bad writing overall. Y'all should read more books and then talk about stories.
fight againt thorm, Dame Aylin becomes hostile to me, even though i freed her. She attacks my part exclusively.
Wow, I love that they considered this. Very cool.
I wish there was a way I could play this that didn't upset Myrkul as I played as a necromancer that worshipped him. Myrkul is the one of the dead 3 you wouldn't be able to side with no matter what you do.
I need to know that build for the main character. How on earth Ketheric couldnt lay a finger
can you just leave the level and leave him alive?
*SPOILER*
You can avoid the Moon Tower and go straight to Baldur's Gate. Although the Guardian will transform you into a mind flayer and its game over.
how are you taking 0 damage from Ketheric
WeMod, cheats
Yeah We Mod. I used that when I was testing out classes and just wanted out of the tutorial area. I guess this guy wanted to just see what happens if you side with the cultists.
@@TheRandomMuffinMan WeMod? I've not heard of this.
Something on Steam you can get?
What does it allow you to do?
wait so isobel is dead? is there any video of isobel being alive and u bring her to ketheric and also u bring the nightsong to him?
Isobel is already dead if you let Marcus (or his flying ghouls) take her to Thorm
yeah but thats not the players fault. thats the games fault for not having that option.@@timetochronicle
NON LEATHAL TOGGLE? @@Honed-
yep, even with it toggled they still kill her.@@MAYOWA.007
if u kill balti and execute the nightsond what happens?
Ketheric and co are very pissed at you and you have to fight your way through
so he will always betray you no matter what you do? there's no way to side fully with him?
yeah...
@@Redlocking Lol so you can choose to capture isobel and kill jaheira all just to be evil but youre still not evil enough
@@D3athL1vin I thought if you want to be evil, you might wanna get rid of these guys so I choose to kill Ketheric anyway. Just wanted to know what happens if you don't kill them but seems there is none
I mean if you talk to him with the “ good way “ not siding with the absolute, he tells you he was going to betray his Allies
@@zalamander5974 Yeah but we still have the prism, I don't think he ever trusts our characters while they resist the Absolute's power
I feel bad for Ketheric. He resurrects his daughter, who hates him. He honestly always seems like a pretty good guy trying to do his best and everyone just wants to destroy all that he's built.
I mean, Ketheric was a victim since the beginning after the deaths of his wife and Isobel. When he turned to Shar that was the moment she twisted him to become what she wanted, and I doubt Ketheric wanted to be an evil guy. But he did what most humans do in desperate situations, follow a leader and his ideals. When it was not enough and the memories would not subside, he betrayed Shar and went to Myrkul for reviving Isobel and in return, creating the Absolute and later take control of it. This was the moment it was not about his daughter, but to serve Myrkul. He was used and abused. Yes he made a deal with Death, but during the fight on Moonrise Towers, he almost switched sides, had Aylin not slammed down in front of him and taunted him.
@@Mr.Cheeseburger24 You can kill Aylin and see what happens, if she doesn't interrupt you on Moonrise Towers :)
Another game that just memes on you with the evil path.
nah Ketheric was insane and planned to betray his allies anyways. From readinf some of the letters and books the Guy had a screw loose way before the absolute plot. You'd never be able to side with him
this aint Fallout New Vegas that's for sure
New Vegas is KING CRPG better than BORING RPG FOR KIDS LIKE WITCHER 3 AND MASS EFFECT.
@@solaris4019 does Fallout NV even fit in the category of CRPG?
Evil in this game absolutely sucks lol
Like Witcher 3
@@solaris4019Well Geralt is a set character with his own personality, so I never expected there to be evil options.
The main stopping point of being evil is that you have to fight the cult regardless. You cant be completely free if you dont kill them and they wont stop hunting you because you have the artifact
You have a mind controlling tadpole in your head! You have three choices:
- Destroy/subjugate the cult
- Be enslaved
- Die
An evil character does not mean good deeds are impossible for you perform- quite the opposite you would do whatever you can to be free. By the time you reach the Ketheric boss fight I cannot imagine any character who would side with him, unless they prefer the 2nd or 3rd option.
@@ondrejbronec837I'm not even talking about this mission. I mean overall. There's way less content and you're essentially nerfing your own character by going evil. Your only reward for going this route is Minthara and she's still bugged.
Theres no way to bring Isobel back alive and Ketheric likes you more?
there is, just toggle on non-lethal dmg in the passives section and fight like normal or just use sleep spell
@@OldManJacan Does the game actually recognize this as bringing her back alive?
@@jbshbsskskhbs6713 So, I just tried this because I couldn't find the answer. Ketheric is really grateful that you brought his daughter back, but then he finds out that you have the artefact so the same exact thing happens. :/
And I'd be willing to bet with almost 100% certainty that there is no way to *not* have the artefact. I've tried several ways in the intro and it just teleports into your inventory even if you kill Shadowheart or never talk to her.
Was wondering if you could save her during the fight. Like, bring both of them and kill Ketreric withdou killing Isabel in there
What will happen if give artifact to githyanki and after that side with Absolute? Is this possible?
Will appear regardless (in the cinematic)
can you even give it to them? When I tried the inquisitor attacked anyway and I got it back
@@TheNemkris I don't know, to be honest xD
@@TheNemkris It's scripted, there is no absolute pathway
@@WizavPRO This is correct. I didn't reverse engineer the game or anything because I'm not familiar with the game engine, but I did run through the early game with a couple of tests and I'd say with almost "absolute" certainty that it's unavoidable. Even if you never meet Shadowheart, or you kill her on the ship, or on the beach, the artefact goes into your inventory when you get to the goblin camp and you can't give it to anyone
True "evil" will never side with losers binding their will and souls with some weak Gods. True "evil" never use such term like "evil". "Evil" is an opinion, a judgment of those who are not worthy of judging. The one who is true only to itself, not bound by the chains of morality, faith or the opinions of others can be called truly "evil" or, to put it correctly, FREE. This is practically not implemented in the game. Here you either play in a team with losers or help "good" people. And only at the end it is possible to flip the board and take over, but it felt like you cheated and didn't deserve it at all.
You sound like you need help.
I think currently they have covered the main 2 avenues:
- "Good" playthrough by doing the obvious thing
- "Evil" playthrough by carving a path that you think is best for you no matter the consequences or price
There is a lot of other paths like: What if you fully side with the absolute? What if you discard the emperor for being a loser? What if you give Vlaakith the artifact and kill the emperor? However most of those have a simple answer: You die.
What you said is cool, but this just isn't that kind of story. You mock Vlaakith for being weak - she kills you, you don't trust the emperor - your story ends, you side with the absolute - your story ends. Character that you describe sounds interesting, but would not reach the endgame. You need those "losers" to survive. The only way to take over is to lie to everyone, use them and flip the script. Otherwise your pathetic little lvl. 12 nobody doesn't have what it takes to do it alone.
Ultimately you actually are free to choose and do almost anything. Just don't expect the rules of the world and the characters in the story to shift around to make your choices correct.
@@ondrejbronec837well said. I dunno how others don't understand it.
@ChaoticAndEvil
Name checks out.
Anyways, you can very much not side with anyone. You don't need to help anyone either. But then again you're also not playing a god so of course that has limitations
Nothing.
After how Aylin treated Thorms Corpse I felt "Yeaaaah... who is the true villain here, I wonder... maybe I should have let her stay prisoned... or let Shadowheart kill her..." Suuuure she had it hard... but she is annoying as fuck...
She was literally killed thousands of times. That little introduction scene Ketheric did - she was the one actually getting stabbed by the spear and almost getting her head choped off. What she did to him was a mercy in comparision.
I will agree she gives you some reasons to dislike her. She has a lot of Lawful Good murder hobo palladin vibes. The devs even think of this and allow you to give her over to Lorroakan later. However thinking she is a villain of any sort is dellusional.
It is purely based on the voice acting and most of Ketheric's atrocities happening prior to the game starting. He is a monster that killed and ressurected countless innocent villagers, betrayed two gods, tormented Aylin to do cool displays of power and is willing to plunge the world into a zombie apocalypse just because his daughter and wife died. His voice and temper are amazing though - that contrast is sort of the point of his character IMO.
@@ondrejbronec837 you said it perfectly man hell i let dame aylin do anything to ketheric lol
I like her cruelty. Its a sweet revenge :D
Much better than yout typical angry barbarian goes brrr
Dude. Cool video. But could you move your cursor away next time? Literally unwatchable