Classical Composer Reaction & Analysis of Astronomy (Blue Öyster Cult) | The Daily Doug (Ep. 498)
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In this episode of #thedailydoug, I'm including music on the channel by Blue Oyster Cult for the first time. I'm going to be reacting to Astronomy, first from their 1974 album Secret Treaties...and then off of their 1988 album Imaginos (a re-recorded and newly produced alternate version). I wind through some of the story behind the song and compare/contrast the two versions. I hope you enjoy!
Thanks to Fran for being today's Guest DJ and bringing this BOC selection to us!
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BOC is the textbook definition of "underrated."
yes indeed....UFO , Thin lizzy and B.O.C. the three most underrated rock bands
Really really underrated.
Absolutely
Maybe not so much "underrated", as they are underappreciated.
Criminally underrated.
BOC is one of the most criminally underrated bands EVER. Unique. It's funny like everybody always think they could/should have been heavier (even though Tyranny And Mutation is heavy indeed).
One of their later albums
Heaven Forbid is pretty heavy
And their latest The Symbol Remains has some heavy tracks
BOC FOREVER!!!!👍👍👍👍👍👍🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸
Even though this song is probably one of BOC's most popular, but their catalogue of music is vast and their latest album, "The Symbol Remains" is absolutely outstanding and, in my humble opinion, will stand with any of their earlier albums including the first three.
ROCK ON!!!
To my ears, BOC were just perfectly heavy. They could absolutely rock (ME262, The Red And The Black, Tattoo Vampire), and then they could slow it down and do a beatuiful number like this. And don't forget the 5-guitar jam that often ended the early concerts.
Secret Treaties is one of those albums I can listen to front to back over and over and never get tired of it! Great selection!
I agree. I feel that way about Agents of Fortune too.
Secret Treaties was my introduction to this band, when I was about thirteen years old. I wasn't really into rock at that time, I was more into Genesis, ELP and Pink Floyd, but this album was a turning point, and I went full on rock, hard rock etc... And each time I listen to this album (front to back as well), I remember this first listening, way back in 75, and I still feel this "Fire of Unknown Origin" it started back then. One of my favourite rock band, if not THE favourite. By the way, their logo was my first tattoo, a few years later.
@@MrZimpoppel Have you checked the Tyranny and Mutation album? It’s their 2nd release. Some really excellent music. A huge leap from their first release (which I find hard to enjoy).
@@MrZimpoppel Me rocker friends turn their noses because i like BOC. I feel sorry for their loss. Cheers from BOC-loving Brazil!
For sure rock and roll hall of Fame
During the pandemic Joe and Albert Bouchard started their own record label, Rock Heart Records. Joe made his 7th solo album, and Albert re-made the Imaginos Trilogy, and the third record is coming out soon.
Hi, Joe.
I am over the moon that you're doing a Blue Oyster Cult song. My favorite band. They have a deep, deep catalog of very interesting and diverse rock music. I'm glad you're starting with Astronomy (both versions) as that's some top tier BOC. Imaginos, the album and its creation, is itself controversial, with a backstory as crazy as the Imaginos mythos itself.
good album tho, eh?
@@rpm412 I love Imaginos. One of my favorites. Some BOC fans really hate it. I love every song on it except "Imaginos" which is sort of train wreck, in my opinion.
@@AdamConus I'm a core BOC fan from the 70s. The Imaginos album sucks, too slick, not metal enough.
@@nyobunknown6983 It's not that this album doesn't contain heavy moments, on the contrary I find the production to be overwhelming and there's even an avalanche of unnecessary extra guitarists (and other musicians). It's just that this album is not really a Blue Öyster Cult album but a producer's album (in this case, Sandy Pearlman) and record company commission (Columbia, who demanded that the thing be released under the name B.Ö.C. and not Albert Bouchard, who is however the instigator of the project with Pearlman). The tracks on this disc were originally recorded by Bouchard and session musicians. It was only after most of the work was done that Buck Dharma & Co. were called in to record a few tracks but the main one was already in the box. This record was credited to B.Ö.C. because that way it was much easier to sell, that's all. The production is horribly 80s and the instruments are drowned in reverb most of the time. Last but not least, the choirs are terribly overloaded and pompous.
During the promotional tour for the album (without the Bouchard brothers !), B.Ö.C. did not play more than 2 tracks from Imaginos ("I Am The One You Warned Me Of" and "In The Presence Of Another World"), and after this tour, the band will never play these 2 songs again ....which proves that Eric Bloom, Buck Dharma and Allen Lanier didn't have much to do with this concept-album ! I agree with you, Imaginos sucks but not because it's not metal enough (B.Ö.C. have always been much more than a hard rock or heavy rock band since their debut !), it sucks because the songs are more than average and besides, it's only a Blue Öyster Cult album by name.
BOC FOREVER!!!!👍👍👍👍👍👍🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸
Even though this song is probably one of BOC's most popular, but their catalogue of music is vast and their latest album, "The Symbol Remains" is absolutely outstanding and, in my humble opinion, will stand with any of their earlier albums including the first three.
ROCK ON!!!
This was the First BOC album I Bought in the 1970's From Oz records and Tapes Birmingham Alabama. I have all BOC Vinyl Now. Thank You for Posting This :)
Secret Treaties is such a great album! I remember hearing Career of evil for the first time and how blown away I was... This band has so much more to offer then just Don't fear the reaper...
Blue Oyster Cult are one of my favourite bands. Imaginos was a mythical album to me when I was first introduced to it.
Imaginos is one of my favorite albums of all time. It caught me at the right time in high school.
Same here. As for the 80s this sits right beside Awaken the Guardian. At least to me.
I really appreciate that you did your homework on this band. I've been a fan of Blue Öyster Cult since I was a teenager back when they were releasing these albums. I recognized from Secret Treaties they were trying to tell a story, but the information was very sketchy. There was a lot gaslighting and plausible deniability on the part of people I knew who liked this band. Then many decades later, I heard the Imaginos album, read the liner notes and it confirmed for me they were indeed telling this story in those songs.
The only thing I want to add deals with this part of the song:
"The four winds at the Four Winds Bar
Two doors locked and windows barred.
One door let's to take you in.
The other one just mirrors it
Hey! Hey! Hey! . . .
In Hellish glare and inference
The other one's a duplicate
In queenly flux eternal light
Oh the light that never never warms
Oh the light that never warms, never warms, never warms."
There are several images that repeatedly show up in Pearlman's corpus. They include but are not limited to dogs, mirrors, doors (especially doors that lock), mirrors, and a woman named Suzie. In this verse we see doors that mirror each other. They let to take you in, but they lock, trapping Suzie and her friend Carrie into an inexorable encounter with Imaginos fully revealed to them as Desdenova, eternal light. The light that never warms informs us that this is a light that's not of this world. It is an extra-terrestrial light that presents Imaginos as the alien he truly is.
So your reference to the light that never warms as coming from the moon gets partway there, but I saw it's a light of origins far beyond the Moon.
Mirrors are important because they are portals through which Les Invisibles impress upon the minds of humans their wishes leading mankind into diabolical chaos.
The liner notes also mention the black stone that worked as a mirror. The notes mention that Queen Elizabeth's occult advisor, John Dee possessed this stone, giving an historical relevance to it.
Sandy Pearlman really tied this all together. The song Astronomy represents a major crossroads in the story.
This song is so rich, it continues to amaze me after all these years. Thank you for your thorough commentary on this song.
Check out the Imaginos comic coming from Albert Bouchard and Deko Records. First issue is going to be released early next year. It will clarify the whole story.
PLEEEEASE do the whole album Fire of Unknown Origin because both veterans of the psychic wars and sole survivor are killer tracks. If I could make toto and steve lukuther play sole survivor live that would be so so sick lol
Totally agree. My favourite of their studio albums, for sure. Granted, they are a wholly different band live, if only for Joan Crawford.
Excellent album. Veteran of the Psychic Wars from Extraterrestrial Live is next level.
My favourite boc album for sure.
@@Denis-pj6zg My favorite B.O.C. album as well!
Oh yes, please!
Check the live version from "Some Enchanted Evening"...Magnificent!
Agreed 💯%
So much better than the studio version! My favourite as well
Yes the entire album rocks
My favorite! You find yourself wishing that the outstanding jam at the end would continue on!
That guitar solo, Buck's absolute pinnacle. You just wish it would go on forever.
Doug Dude, the live version of this off 79's Some Enchanted Evening is far superior to the studio version. Glad you are also doing to remade version off Imaginos, but the live version is still the best!!!
That's the definitive rendition. Recorded at the Columbus Municipal Auditorium, Columbus, GA - April 1978
March 1977 Hollywood Sportatorium during the performance of this song Bloom pointed at the mirrored ball high above us, lit the handheld laser on his wrist, and sent us all into a frenzy during the climax of the song......I still get shivers remembering the light fracturing off the ball.
@@smvaeiou Yeah man, I saw them in '77 and '79. The hand laser was a trip. After the 79 tour the government made them quit the laser because they were violating some regulation.
@@garyschill7923 Not sure that the laser lights made it through 78, dammit. I saw them three or four times during those years and think the fall 1978 show was sans laser show. Imagine the feds not wanting laser lights shown directly into the eyes of the audience at a rock music show! I loved the lights and the holograms (those lights mixing with the smoke from all the joints being fired up was just mesmerizing).There is Donald Roeser interview somewhere on You tube where he discusses those shows and how much fun they were, and how disappointed the band was that they were forced to stop with all the lights.
@@smvaeiou Your Ould be right, the late 70's are all just one big long party! I saw them twice in there, and 4 times total. Big BOC head!!
Oh so close. This is one of the classic examples of a great song being transformed into one of the greatest in rock history by a live performance taking it to a completely different level. The version from the album Some Enchanted Evening was one of those nights where a higher power intervened to create something so good it defies description.
The S.E.E. version is definitely the best version.
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It should be noted that the "Buck Dharma" name is something that Sandy Perlman came up with, as well. The band had been having trouble getting a record deal, both as "Soft White Underbelly" and "Oaxaca", so when Sandy gave them a new name, he suggested that all the musicians should also adopt stage names, but only Donald Roeser took him up on it.
(Eric Bloom was going to be "Jesse Python" if Sandy had gotten his way, lol.)
Great name for a porn star! LOL
I think dubbing Allen Lanier as "La Verne" was the worst. Though Andy Panda and Jesse Python are pretty close 😂
I second the motion for reviewing the live version of Astronomy from the "Some Enchanted Evening". It is a stellar performance, an absolute tour-de- force and elevates this song to "classic" status.
I fell in love with BOC as a teen in the early 70s. I loved their amazing covers. After the first two albums, I couldn't wait to see the next one--this one. I just kept looking at it thinking, "But what does it mean?"
Quite frankly, I think this blows Stairway to Heaven away. They should have released this as a single.
The song before on this album, Flaming Telepaths, is really good, too. It has an intense rock ending that abruptly stops as the delicate beginning of Astronomy begins. Should be played back-to-back like on the album.
Exactly, Flaming Telepaths actually points to Astronomy as they together form a cohesive unity and should be listened together, to my ears at least. Superb compositions, in progressive rock.
I agree
Metallica did a sweet cover of this song. Definitely one of the best songs off the garage inc. album
This is how I discovered "Astronomy" and maybe even Blue Öyster Cult: by "Garage inc.".
Agreed. There should be a video done on that
+1 to making a video about that cover. In fact, there are quite good covers in that double album.
P.S. MetallicA's cover is now about as old as the original was when they did it.
Metallica has also citied the BÖC as a huge influence
@@Nightwing690 Is it any wonder as their minds were on fire
Albert Bouchard is redoing Imaginos in line with Sandy's original story. He has three albums planned and two in current release.
The first one is very good, or even excellent. I haven't heard the second one yet.
@@goopah It's just as good ;) The sound is very different from the "Imaginos" album and it takes some getting use to, but I really dig it now.
I think the word that best describes it is perfect
You really should do an Extended Play Lounge of a side of a BOC album. One of the great parts about BOC is there is no "BOC sound", with every member of the band and the manager, and friends and fans of the band writing; plus 2 primary lead singers and occasional vocals from everybody; and 2 multi-instrumentalists the BOC sound varies drastically from song to song. I know for EPL you like to focus on the Big albums so probably Agents of Fortune (the album with Reaper) or Fire of Unknown Origin (with their other big hit Burning for You and their Heavy Metal soundtrack song Veterans of the Psychic War co-written by fantasy author Michael Moorcock) would be the obvious choices. But the first 3 albums (the "black and white trilogy") or Spectres (Godzilla), would be excellent choices too. I think you'd have a lot of fun going through multiple BOC songs together.
My choice would be Tyranny & Mutation.
Yeah, AWESOME SONG: most of their stuff is pretty AWESOME!
So happy you're continuing your BOC journey. If you're looking for some more greats by them, 2 of my favorites are I Love the Night and Nosferatu.
Thanks for the great entertainment and education, Doug. Enjoy!
I love those two songs!
Dude I was so happy to see BOC on your channel, totally underrated band. Please check out Veterans of a thousand psychic wars and Vengeance(the pact) by them
Don't forget Joan Crawford (a lyrics analysis would be entertaining as well).
Many, many thanks Doug & team! The fact that you gave viewers such as I a chance to be a guest DJ was yet another reason why I consider this channel to be very special. Kudos to the amount of research you did for the song!
For those interested in the Astronomy/Imaginos story, Albert Bouchard made a promise to Sandy Pearlman before he passed that he would finish the Imaginos trilogy, releasing them as solo albums while keeping Sandy's vision in mind.
BOC just released their first new album in over 15 years, a couple years back. Lots of great tracks, buy I'd recommend Tainted Blood and The Alchemist to start!
TOOL is Pink Floyd for the new millennium, but BOC is eternal.
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Rich the Ancient Metal Beast
They have another song from Secret Treaties that they redid on Imaginos: "Subhuman" is the '70s version, "Blue Oyster Cult" is the Imaginos version.
I understand, I understand.
@@BrianCurran8 And so do I.
If you want awesome piano I would suggest the song Joan Crawford.
Great commentary about one of my favourite bands and their best song. I definitely prefer the original Secret Treaties version, but the live versions from 1976 (from "Live 1976") and especially "Some Enchanted Evening" (1978) are great too. They're quite similar to the original version. There is also a rerecorded version from 1994 (from "Cult Classic") that is closer to the Secret Treaties version than the Imaginos version. As someone else have said Albert Bouchard is in the process of recording and releasing the whole Imaginos saga. He has released two out of three so far. One comment about Sirius "the dog star". It's not in the constellation of Orion, it's in Canis Major. Other than that you summarized the complex story of Imaginos pretty accurately. I'd like you to make other videos about the music of Blue Öyster Cult. They have a great variety and musicianship, and to hear the point-of-view from a classically trained musician is very interesting.
Do more BOC, they have a very mature kind of hard rock/metal. I would strongly suggest "The Last Days of May", and for a weird Wednesday "Joan Crawford has Risen from the Grave"
Yes to J.C. as a Weird Wednesday choice.
Bring Back Weird Wednesday!! 😎👍
The answer to your question about which version that they do live is: neither, they have an about 10 minute version where everyone gets a turn in the spot light. You get a big guitar solo from Buck, still harder drums, loads of keyboard and piano work, all supported by drivng base and dynamite percussion work. Great song from a great band, that does their best work live. Still touring, still fabulous
Yes, but still - and even after Imaginos - the live versions have been essentially based on the original version from 1974. Like many people I guess, I discovered the song on Some Enchanted Evening.
Been a fan since 1973. Never cared all that much for the Imaginos version of Astronomy. Eric's vocals are symbiotic with the original version, and his pipes were never better, than in 1974. Nice job and song selection.
I like the imaginos version. I think Buck sings it very well.
GOOD!!! Someone FINALLY checked out and reacted to the IMAGINOS version! The original was actually a part of the poetry Sandy Perlman wrote. It was supposed to be a part of the double album IMAGINOS which never came to fruition. It wa released on SECRET Treaties originally, but was rearranged, basically sped up massively, for the IMAGINOS recordings. It was a major improvement in my opinion when it came out fast on the IMAGINOS album. I love both versions but my preference is for the IMAGINOS version. I would LOVE to find out your reaction to their song VETERAN OF THE PSYCHIC WARS... many actual Veterans feel that Michael Moorcock and Eric Bloom (the co-authors of the song) with their lyrics absolutely nailed how the Veterans felt... to quote a friend of mine, "It is almost like they got into my head and are voicing my innermost horrors and nightmares from my time in Service."
Astronomy is the last song on this “concept” album…a full story front to back almost a revision of WWII. As a stand alone song, I can see why some BOC fans (of the later music) may not appreciate this song. But it fits perfectly with the story of the album…a “goodbye”. So for those of us who used to play “albums”…there’s probably more appreciation for what the song “represents” as part of the full story associated with the album. The jet on the cover and the last song of on side A is ME262…definitely a WWII reference. My favorite song on this album is Dominance/Submission.It’s an excellent stand alone song for BOC fans whose prefer to “cherry pick” songs.
Dominance and Submission is one of my favorite songs
That guitar solo at the end still gives me chills
You totally left the best version of Astronomy...from "Some Enchanted Evening"...LIVE AND BAD ASS...YOU WILL SEND ME FLOWERS AND CANDY ITS SO DAMN GOOOOOD !!!
You did it!!! I suggested BOC and specifically this song months and months ago. Thanks, Doug!
One of the best bands ever. More people need to discover them.
They also made another version of this song for "cult classic" it's basically a compilation album but all the songs featured are new versions
BOC is always fascinating and yet overlooked a lot it seems. "Last Days of May" is a great story - "Lips in the Hills" is fun. "Career of Evil" is another good one.
The other song on Imaginos that comes from early BOC is "Blue Oyster Cult" which is a redo of their old song "Subhuman". The difference between those tracks is far wider than the two Astronomys. I prefer the Imaginos version, but I'm an 80's kid and it was sort of "my" version of the song. Al Bouchard has released Re-Imaginos in 2020 and Imaginos 2 since then. I love Bouchard, but his vocals are rough, and even I have trouble with them. That said, a few of his new Imaginos tunes are fantastic, Black Telescope and OD'd on Life Itself, in particular (Both old BOC tunes.) Black Telescope is done as a sea shanty, so definitely a departure from the original material.
Good appraisal of the most overlooked band ever. I'd like to hear your views on Albert Bouchard's more recent versions of the story, including Re-Imaginos....well worth it, believe me. Keep up the good work - I find it fascinating.
Blue Oyster Cult and the amazing band Hawkwind both wrote a number of songs based on the Science Fiction books of amazing writer Michael Moorcock.......You should to a show on the whole of the 1st side of Warrior On The Edge Of Time by Hawkwind (Lemmy is on bass and it'll give you a proper taste of the diversity and brilliance of Hawkwind.
This is why I watch the channel. What a nice surprise!
One of my favorite deep tracks of all time. When I was in radio in the mid 70s, this was the first BOC song I ever played on the air. I love that bass line and guitar solos.
Imaginos was by far their best album and is probably my favorite album of all time. The back story, the prologue from Stephen King on Astronomy...epic. It seems that Steve used some lyrics from "Don't Fear the Reaper" in his book "The Stand" without permission so Buck brought that up when he asked him to do the intro. "And don't forget my dog, fixed and consequent" - The Dog star
Glad you researched the background of this song, Doug, it really sets you apart on RUclips! I've been obsessed with the Imaginos storyline for ages, and the original version of Astronomy might be my favorite song ever. The Metallica cover is definitely worth checking out if you felt this was rife for something heavier.
If you're obsessed with the storyline you'll be happy to know that a 3 issue comic series is planned to clarify everything. From Albert Bouchard and Deko Records. The first issue will be released in a few months.
The version on the "Some Enchanted Evening" live album is pure magic.
Fact
100% agreed on this, best recorded version by anyone.
That’s for damn sure.
Buck’s solo at the end simply KILLS!
Truth. I love BOC, but they have a lot of songs that just don't translate well in the studio but absolutely kill live. Two perfect examples are this and E.T.I.
Big Blue Oyster Cult fan. Saw them at the Spectrum in 1976. Cities on flame, she's as beautiful as a foot, I might be on the lamb but I ain't no sheep, hot rails to hell, I could keep going
really like to see you listen to Joan Crawford by BOC, killer track.
I LOVE the Imaginos version! What a great album.
I just listened to this one just a few days ago... fantastic tune and it made me happy to hear it
as always. Thanks for all the info about the vision behind Astronomy and the story it helps to tell...
The later version sounded to me like an update to a more 80s pop sound--whoops, you just said that, lol... probably at the urging of the record company but I'm just guessing...
BOC is all about telling tales of wonder and woe, bringing you along with music to places you never thought songs could go...
When you revisit Blue Oyster Cult I hope you consider:
*Black Blade*
*I Love The Night*
*Veterans Of The Psychic Wars*
*Cities On Flame For Rock & Roll*
Be well
S.W.
The live version on 'Some Enchanted Evening" is much better. I wish I could go back and see these guys in their prime.
You're great, man. Thank you!
Listen to Joan Crawford by BOC next
Good choice in songs, and great insight into the music. Thanks Doug.
The live version on Some Enchanted Evening is THE version. Pure fire.
So cool to see someone fire up and give a critical listen to Imaginos. A lot of BOC fans don’t give that album too much attention, but it’s one of my favorites.
They have a live album who's title is outstanding: On Your Feet or On Your Knees", with a superb version of Cities on Flame
They were the first to have the laser light show. To this day greatest show ever. This was the song when it happened. After the tour the Government band the laser show
Glad to see you going to early BOC
but most of the tracks are tied together. I highly recommend that you do the complete Secret Treatise LP . especially since this is the closing track .
I’ve seen this band 5 times. I love Blue Oyster Cult. I’m surprised she didn’t request the live version from On Your Feet or On Your Knees. I played the hell out of that album through high school.
The live version is from "Some Enchanted Evening". The OYFoOYK album does not have Astronomy on it. In fact, I think BOC has 5 or 6 live albums, and "Some Enchanted Evening" is the only live version of Astronomy. On Your Feet has one of the best band intros to start of a concert ever recorded.
@@Ignats75 oh that’s right! I had both albums. lol
Even since 1975, we Cult fans have always wondered, WHY ASTRONOMY WASN'T ON OYFOOYK. Same with Flaming Telepaths.
@@mcbeezee2120 I was not a huge BOC fan. I just loved the song Astronomy. I used to win bar bets saying no one could guess the artist. If astronomy had been on OYFoOYK, I would've purchased it for my almost 350 piece record collection. But power rock was never my favorite genre. That's why I love Spotify. I can cherry pick songs like Astronomy or The Tower by Angel without having to purchase an entire album.
So, if you're looking for a version of Astronomy with a guitar solo, I'd advise checking out the Long Days Night version.
@DougHelvering , thanks very much for adding BOC to your music vocabulary.
I'm not going to recommend any of their stuff as I am a huge fan & love all of it.
I'm hoping that you will receive a few of their LPs in your P.O.Box or perhaps a trip to your local record store and a few good deals on some of their catalog.
Great reaction! Thanks again! 😎👍
I like the Imaginos version better. Imaginos is one of the greatest concept albums ever made. It is a very complicated story and takes a lot of research and many many listenings to comprehend fully. But it is worth it. It is simply amazing. However, you can't really call it a Blue Oyster Cult album (well, I guess you can since it was released as such), it is actually more of a Albert Bouchard/Sandy Pearlman solo album with the members of BOC playing the music....if that makes any sense. But, it is true.
Favorite song by my favorite band. My favorite version is from the live album Some Enchanted Evening
As others have stated, you really need to listen to "Joan Crawford" by BOC. It's such a wonderfully weird and twisted song. "The Revenge of Vera Gemini" is another great one.
Especially the live version... incredible.
The Subhuman (from Secret Treaties) was reworked as Blue Oyster Cult on the Imaginos album and further dives into the mythology.
More BOC Black & White era songs!
BOC has always been one of my fav bands. Saw this album tour when I was 12. Years later saw them with Black Sabbath on their Black and Blue Tour... yup Sabbath played first... it was the best concert I have ever seen. Better than Pink Floyd, at least for me.
I was 15 when this came out. I saw them three or four times before "Don't Fear The Reaper" kinda changed things for them. I love the first three albums. Along with Uriah Heap and Wishbone Ash, one of the most under-rated guitar bands of the early 70s. Classic! I saw the black and blue tour too. Sabbath headlined and was a letdown after BOC.
@@tonesmyth Wishbone Ash is just fantastic, i feel they are just like Camel maybe, both very much underrated
The *Some Enchanted Evening* version is my favorite!
Should react to golden age of leather
Such a great band. I remember getting into them in the mid to late 70's when I was discovering Heavy Rock and they were classed as Heavy Rock/Metal but they were far more eclectic than that. Their music has always been very diverse and they deserve much more recognition that they've had.
Most of B.O.C were classically training musicians in NY state.
Cultisaurus is their best album. They came into their own and sounded less 60's & 70's. Were signed to be direct completion to Black Sabbath. Black Blade is an epic cut on that album. Excellent insights... love your channel.
1st version is most epic on Astronany. Eric Bloom sings this version.
Love me some BOC. Tyranny and mutation is my favorite album.
Mine as well, although there are many candidates. But I'm just a sucker for "The Mistress of the Salmon Salt".
One of my favorite live bands. The live version of this song great example of how much better things get live.
Live? Jealous
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An interesting exercise in contrasts. Definitely 1970s versus 1980s. As someone for who my musical formation was from the later 1970s through the 1980s onwards, 1974 is slightly early for me. But the earlier version is definitely the better of the two. The 1988 version is certainly a product of its time, and all the worse for it.
As for Sirius, it is the brightest star in the sky, and is in the constellation Canis Major, not Orion. The connection with Orion is that the three stars of the Belt of Orion point to Sirius in one direction and Aldebaran in Taurus in the other.
Love BOC
You are very adept sir !
One of my favorite lines in this song is "It's the nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms"... Also, the line "Don't forget my dog, fixed and consequent..." is a reference to Sirius, the dog star.
There's another different version of the song on the 1994 album "Cult Classic".
The album consists of re-recorded versions of key songs from their past featuring original members Bloom, Roeser and Lanier but with a new rhythm section.
Some, like "Don't Fear The Reaper" are very close to the original. Others, like "Astronomy" are significantly changed.
YOU SIR ARE DAMN RIGHT !!!
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@@spyrospanagos5657, it's my favorite version as well.
@@jonathangwynne1917 how can we get him to listen to it ??? i honestly thought the second version he would react would be this one. such a shame …
Doug, trust me as a BOC fan from the very beginning, this entire Imaginos record is a convoluted mess; the circumstances of it's genesis, gestation and release are beyond Spinal Tap inspired standards of rock and roll cultural insanity. Imaginos is the one album recorded under their Cronos moniker that I would never recommend to anybody desiring to fundamentally and better appreciate this incredible band. The "Live" version of Astronomy off "Some Enchanted Evening" is the definitive choice for pure performance and listening excellence. It is not an exaggeration to state that Eric Bloom's slightly menacing vocals, the cautionary theme, Alan Lanier's eerie keyboard interplay, the Bouchard brothers' telepathic rhythm section, the crowd buzz vibe and the baffling, disturbing subject matter that portends abstract profundity, ..... all make this an incredible performance; a pinnacle of achievement by any band of any era. Of course the greatest feature of the "Some Enchanted Evening" live version of Astronomy is the guitar solo of Buck Dharma. I think it is one of the finest, most inspired solos ever recorded. The outpouring of emotion, the originality of note choices, the tragedy, the angst and the malevolent, pure pain that oozes from his guitar alongside a desperate quest for resolution, fueled by the building groove of the band's rhythmic accompaniment ensure that this emotional expression leading to the enhanced crescendo climax of the song will be unforgettable. I am not alone. I have met many people over the years who concur. Unfortunately we don't have many quality sound recordings of many of the other enigmatic variations he/they performed of this song and many others ( there is a poorly recorded, but very different, amazing guitar solo in the version of Astronomy available on Buck Dharma's own channel on You Tube).
Blue Oyster Cult, like Deep Purple, Rainbow, Lynyrd Skynyrd, The Sensational Alex Harvey Band, Status Quo, UFO & The Who were dynamic, top tier live acts in the 1970's, whose performance on stage often superseded the excellence of their studio efforts. Many of these bands performed different renditions of the songs live and this was the era when great bands with great musicians all released live records, often double live records. They sold well because true hard rock fans craved to experience or re-experience the concert dynamic, and also to hear more expansive versions of the songs recorded on the studio records. These bands and many others, performed with that magic chemistry that allowed the elusive balance of discipline, improvisation, feel, dynamics and groove to all prevail. Today, ..... sigh, ...... and for decades, live records have been out of style, ...... nobody makes "Live" records anymore, ...... the few that are made, mostly only as marketing gimmicks, are ridiculously overproduced and anything but "Live." However, today the version heard in the concert hall is often already so overprocessed, it's not necessary to do much post production. It isn't just Auto-Tune, Echo Plex, multiple click tracks, octave enhancers, ghost vocal harmonizers, instruments bypassing stage amplification, digital percussion and algorithm induced instrumental & backing vocal programmes that ruin so many stage presentations, .... the biggest problem is at least two generations of non-musician offspring think slick sound and precise repetition of the standard version of a song is the gold standard for live performance, .... and what they think all good musicians should do and sound like.
Do yourself a favour and listen to the live version of "Astronomy" off "Some Enchanted Evening," and hear the greatest guitar solo ever conceived, .... even if you don't review it for this channel. For your information, the late Sandy Pearlman was also Blue Oyster Cult's manager. He also managed/produced various bands including Black Sabbath, Pavlov's Dog, The Dictators and The Clash. Metallica's version of this sacred song is nothing special. Like most of their covers, it is "Metallicasized." It misses the keyboards, the intelligence, the subtlety and the delicacy of the BOC original or the live version. Like most of their covers ( and many of their originals), Metallica's treatment of "Astronomy" is plagued by overplaying on bass, .... drumming reminiscent of drunken elves building a shed in the backyard, ...... shaky, inconsistent, overdriven rhythm guitar, ..... pretty decent lead guitar, ..... and the "gargle with broken glass twice a day" vocals of James Hetfield that manage to homogenize spectrum spanning themes into snarling, phlegmatic, monochromatic grunting.
However, Metallica covering this song is a credit to their good listening taste, and like Lars' eloquent lobbying to get Deep Purple successfully into the very tainted "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame," it has exposed these legendary artists to a new, younger audience that were unfortunate not to live, breathe, see and experience the incredible music of the mid 1960's to the late 1970's.
Metallicas cover version isn't too bad at all.
Indeed, a pretty faithful rendition.
I think it's James' best vocals too
I kinda like metallicas better but both great
Love Metallica's tribute to the Cult's "Astronomy". Definitely heavier than the original, but then, we wouldn't expect anything less from them.
@@ChrisRashNever really thought about it before, but yeah, a case could be made. He has surprisingly good melodic and dynamic singing during the verses, then the first chorus I would put up with Fuel as peak "ee-yay-uh!" period Jaymz. 😁
If you want to dig deeper into the BOC, you might try Golden Age Of Leather, I Love The Night (both from Specters), and/or The Vigil (Mirrors), and then maybe something live like Veteran Of The Psychic Wars and/or Black Blade...
BlackBlade/Monsters would go over very well here. Excellent pick for Masterpiece Friday. 😎
@@memelordmark7532 "Golden Age of Leather", "I Love the Night", "The Vigil", "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" (1981 Live!), "Black Blade", and "Monsters" are all fantastic. Great picks!
@@bookhouseboy280 , agreed. I'm a huge BOC fan. Anything Doug picks will suit me just fine. 😎
Ahh, I jumped the gun. You compared them both.
in my mind going back to 1976 and the laser show that went on with this song......................mmmm....nothing like them
The whole "Imaginos" album is awesome Doug. You should check out "Joan Crawford" on the "Fire of Unknown Origin" album. It has an awesome piano intro.!!!
Hey Doug, you liked their piano in that one? Give a listen to the intro to Joan Crawford. Yeah, BOC is great. I discovered Tyranny and Mutation and been a fan ever since. Spectres is one of my faves. That's a deep pool you're diving into.
You should hear the track Les Invisibles off Imaginos!
So glad you've gotten to BOC, Doug. While many people know Don't Fear the Reaper, Burnin' for You, and Godzilla, they have so many more great songs, like Astronomy. With multiple band members who could sing, unusual subjects and themes, collaborators like fantasy writer Michael Moorcock, punk icon Patti Smith, and visionary manager Sandy Pearlman, BOC were consistently challenging and fun. Their first five albums are all absolute Classics IMO. And they have been an enduring touring act, playing live coast to coast year after year for 5 decades. On top of that, last year they released their first album of new material in almost 20 years, and it's fantastic. I look forward to more reactions, Doug!
Imaginos is really a great album, some people don’t like it because of all the session musicians but as far as I’m concerned the core of BÖC is still there. I think my favorite song on the album is “Magna Of Illusion”, but all but 1 or 2 songs (IMO) are very strong.
As a big music fan who doesn't play anything, your ability to play along with it that quickly seems like magic. Maybe you are Imaginos.
Proud to say that I saw Blue Oyster Cult in May of 1972 when they opened for Alice Cooper. I had never heard of them before. I was blown away.
Oi joi, BÖC. I prefer the 1988 version of this song, as that whole album is one of my favorites, along with a handful of gems from 70´s and 80´s from the BÖC catalog. What a wonderful band you never get tired of. Their new album was surprisingly good. And, if you want to enjoy more BÖC, I would recommend song Joan Crawford. It is just that good !
The Imaginos album is sort of divisive among fans (or it was in the past) but for me it's my favorite album of them, and I listen to it in the proper order (somewhere around in the wiki it's well explained) once a week.
Magna of Illusion is a personal favorite of mine of that album, and I very much prefer "Blue Oyster Cult" to "Subhuman" from the earlier albums.
Sirius isn't part of Orion, although they are very close. Orion's belt points towards Sirius.
5:40 Eric sings the wrong lyrics. "Four Winds at the Four Winds Bar"
15:58 Buck sings the correct lyrics. "Four DOORS at the Four Winds Bar"
BOC is AMAZING! So many great songs. So glad to see you react to this. SO underrated.
I love anything BOC! Here is one of the musicians telling the story of Astronomy.
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You should listen to ME 262 on the Secret Treaties album. I went to the Air Force Museum a few years ago and they had an actual ME 262 there. It was surprisingly much smaller than pictured on the album cover. I was humming this tune the whole time I was walking around that plane.
You also need to listen to I Love The Night from the Specters album. Those two songs will show the versatility and range of the band. They're worth a listen! Greg in TN 😀
The Imaginos version of Astronomy is my least favorite. Any live version of Astronomy is better than any studio recording. But...I am biased, having seen BOC live well over thirty times spanning from 1974 thru 2019.
Astronomy is one of my "earworms"...you know, those songs that get stuck in your head for hours on end...usually as played on the live recording "Some Enchanted Evening" BOC's second live album.
A very underrated band with truly great guitars. Both Buck and Allen are magicians with a six string, and Eric is no slouch, either. My favorite live show...obviously.
Metallica did a swell job of covering this tune also