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Extremely accurate video. While his reactions and actions make him unforgivable, you can see the logic and weakness of commodus which is what causes him to do what he does.
Good job at reminding us of what an incredible complex villain Commodus is) The Gladiator is a cinematic masterpiece!Joaquin Phoenix deserved an Oscar!
Why hate Commodus so much? He is betrayed by his own blood, his so called sister. He genuinely craved for his dad love, admiration and attention but he was always underestimated. If he really gets love of his family , he should have been a great ruler. He was a good swordsman, good fighter but he had some physical problems like insomnia, insecurity. King, emperor cannot trust their own shadow also, they had innumerable Enemies
Some of what you are saying is true. But Cómmodus was an immoral man. He was not fit to rule and his father knew this. He is a sympathetic character on the one hand, but a murderous sociopath on the other. And he was not a good swordsman either. He was average at best and had never tested nor proven himself in battle.
The fact that Commodus did crave for love and admiration of his family and the fact that he was depressed and unhappy basically the whole time makes me look at him like he is more then heartless monster, to put it that way, even if he did monstruous things. It makes me think that maybe he had potencial to acually become a decent person if his father was able to raise him well. Maybe. He acually did show respect,love and admiration for his father(before he killed him😐) and he would probably obey him if he was given a chance. I am sure that during his whole life it was obvious that he was mentally unstable and ill person. Remember when he said that he is afraid of the dark. Then you mix that with a father who embraces other man as a son more then his own son and you get Commodus. I mean all of course all of this circumstances doesn't metter in the end because he did deserve to die. He still is a moster but it makes him tragic and unhappy charachter as well if lack of love made him be that way. It acually remindes me of a Joker now thinking about it.
Usually villainy and vulnerability are like oil and water, but here it works! JP made Commodus his own. A brilliant combination of spoiled brat, the failson desperate to be taken seriously and a child bereft of affection.
Excellent analysis. This is why in my opinion the extended cut is the superior cut. It actually give us more depth into Commodus and his political undoing.
I personally think knowing the history makes Commodus an even better character, because Commodus had been dragged up to Germania very young by his father in an attempt to make him a proper Emperor. That makes Commodu’s state an even bigger fault of his father, his father was responsible for Commodus’ devious and power hungry nature, but we still do see that Commodus’ tried, we see him in a display of arms and he immediately attempt to aid his father after the battle. But the Emperor ignored him for Maximus, which caused Commodus’ to become complacent and lazy, never learning how to be a proper Emperor, but he still wanted to please his father, likely for years, those martial displays were likely an attempt to catch his father’s attention, but it never did and he continued to focus and develop on Maximus, a person that Commodus’ considered a brother by his dialogue. Commodus’ felt ignored for years and years, despite the fact in his mind he constantly tried to impress his father, though his father kept ignoring him for Maximus, a person not even related by any blood ties to him or the Emperor. Indeed Commodus’ inadequacies were caused by his father, who also likely subtlety berated Commodus’ for his inadequacies, comparing him to Maximus, ‘oh look how good Maximus is why can’t you be like him’ despite the obvious fact of why. We even see it in the film where the father realises and asks Commodus’ to forgive him. But after all that, all the comparisons, the insults to his character, being ignored time and time again for Maximus for years upon years. After all that. The Emperor declares that Commodus’ will not be Emperor. And that’s when Commodus cracked.
I definitely agree, the real Villain was Marcus Aurelius, he created the monster that Commodus became and is a hypocrite, writing philosophies instead of being a good father
and also maybe this is just me yet I like to believe that in his final moments Commodus is feeling remorse and guilt for all of the cruelty he has done yet too little too late
Caesar wasnt his father. Commodus' father was Marcus Aurelius. Caesar was a bit before his time. But other than that this was a great analysis. Well done mate
In the film, everyone referred to Marcus Aurelis as Caesar. After Marcus dies, Lucilla calls Commodus Caesar. I knew Caesar was different person and before their time but I assumed that due to the use of his name Caesar had become a moniker for whoever becomes Emperor of Rome. I was only speaking in context of the film but I agree I'm unaware of the actual historical context behind it. I just went along with what the film did. Anyways, thanks for commenting and I really appreciate your words!
A weak child must be isolated from the overwhelming presence of a brilliant and high profile parent. If Commodus was disowned at an early age he would have become a man.
excellent video I just subscribed and Joaquin Phoenix's performance is masterful he deserves his Oscar nomination and hopefully maybe he will also be nominated for an Oscar in his performance as the Joker
Exactly. I think the society is also to blame because it helped shape Commodus as a person. And even today societal pressures like these compel people to take bad decisions. As they say: it takes a village to raise a child.
I think the relationship between Commodus and Maximus is somewhat representative of the relatio ship of the forces they belong to. The legions, like Maximus forged in the fire of warfare, were a force of principle,values and discipline. The praetorians, like Commodus, developed in relative safety and comfort, making them weak, greedy and corrupt. Manipulating the world around them through underhanded tactics.
When I first saw the movie, I was 13 y.o. (I'm 15 now); it was in History class. I was fascinated by Commodus, and still I am. When he is killed at the end of the movie, I remember my class being very happy for that, but even though I LOVE when villains show vulnerability and weakness, and are humiliated, I was the only one who was very sad for his death and for all that had being going on his mind during his entire life
ever since I was little, it was so easy to see the real villain; Marcus Aurelius. I’m examining the film version of Marcus, not the historical Marcus. There’s a saying, “it’s not how you drive, it’s how you arrive”. Meaning what matters most is the destination or the ending, not how you got there. Marcus Aurelius was a philosopher king and a prince of virtue FOR strangers, he was a horrid father who played favorites to Lucilla, neglected Commodus and clearly just crossed him off from young age “Commodus is not a moral man, you knew that since you were young”, hello Marcus, it’s called doing your damn job as a father and raising your son correctly, he didn’t. So when Commodus asked for approval, kind words and one full hug, and that would have been like the sun to his heart, it speaks volumes. Commodus grew up a broken man thanks to his nelglectful father. So with the saying, yes Marcus drove pretty, helped strangers, looked great on the outside, won battles, wrote endless philosophy, but it didn’t matter how he drove, because he arrived to a mess he created by neglecting his own son, Commodus killed him, and the brotherly love that Maximus and Commodus shared was shattered (it was clear they both respected and loved each other before the decision) his beloved general lost his family, and his son and his beloved general ultimately fought each other and both died. Had Marcus Aurelius been just a good father, not great one, everyone would have been alive and prosperous, Commodus would have been competent, empathetic and strong, feeling the love and approval of his beloved father and would have had his brother Maximus to continue the work of conquest for the empire/republic, but instead, Rome lost its best general and so much progress was undone with all the deaths that transpired. Great job Marcus Aurelius.
Thank you! About the grain, Commodus declared to the senate that they will be using the grain reserves to fund the games. But surprisingly the senate didn't oppose, as they usually do. This means the senate already knew about this and that there was a "traitor". This obviously was Lucilla his own sister.
His father Marcus Aurelius is world famous as the greatest good guy Emperor of Stoicism. So why did Commodus end up so terribly bad?? Stoicism in parenting results in bad kids??
There's a sculpture by Spanish artist Eduardo Barron where it depicts Seneca and Nero made in 1904. Seneca trying to teach Nero to be a good human with its stoic philosophy. We know how that went between Seneca and Nero. Remember, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Son of great Marcus Aurelius and student of a great philosopher like Seneca can still be someone like Commodus and Nero.
Showing the joker from TDK is not very fitting while stating that a great villain has complex motivation as he is the polar opposite, he just wants chaos, he is a character with no real backstory, he even makes up several. Nolan's intention was to create the character with no depth, the Joker is someone abstract and trying to understand him is pointless
@@Arttective He had more of a fairytale story, when his attempt at the coup didn't work- when his friend is killed- he should have been killed there too. That would be more realistic and what pretty much happened with Ned.
@@Arttective ? Yes, I know that. I just mean they are very similar. Both Maximus and Ned are highly respected men in their land and by their people, who are right hands men to the King/Emperor and who at their death make a huge mistake because of their honor that makes them lose everything, get their family killed/in danger and in the end, is the death of them. In their character, in their actions, they are many commonalities. Commodus as you described in this video is also very similar to Joffery. With their fathers' relationships. Being spoiled and insecure, cowardly and cruel, tyrannical, etc etc. But Gladiator has that hero trope that because Maximus is good and honorable he will achieve his goals and defeat the great evil of the story. GoT subverted that tope by showing what realistically would've happened to that type of straight forward honorable person who tries to take on powerful psychos like Joff or Commodus within an environment that is highly corrupted. After all, though in the story Commodus wanted to fight him publicly, he may have as well have done the same as was done to Ned. After the failed coup throw him in jail for a few weeks, spread propaganda to destroy his name, etc and then get rid of him, etc, etc But then we wouldn't love it as much because the good guy wouldn't win :) and there wouldn't be a continuation with us hoping that eg his son/people will avenge him, bringing justice and giving us that 'good guys still win' ending that we ware holding out for with GoT. :)
@@Arttective yah he was a gladiator he became a fighter after a failed assassination from the Senate.. From that day onwards he hated the Senate and distrust towards them and became a fighter to defend himself .. He was well built fighter and killed tigers, elephants and ostriches with a single arrow shots on regular bases and fought against other gladiators with honor
I never understood commudus obsession with Lucilla. He's the emporer. I would've been boning every bad chick in the empire and knocking them up. Only time I would've seen her was at dinner time.
In the olden days royals had the habit of marrying in the family as it kept the bloodline "pure". Commodus was obsessed with his legacy which is why he was eyeing his sister. It seems gross now but was a very common thing in monarchy almost in the entire world.
@@Arttective I get the pure bloodline part. I don't get the obsession. Eventually I would've gotten around to Lucilla but I'd start off with all the blondes in the empire. Then the brunettes then the redheads.
He loved her since childhood (even their father said to her about Commudus "he loves you, he always has" ...just neither father nor daughter understood what type of love that was, not sibling love). I think it's that they grew up together and she was kind/good to him, it looks like they had a good relationship initially, so for her that would be a good thing, of course she didn't know he loved her as a man loves a woman. She's beautiful and intelligent and they grew up together and she was kind/good to him [plus same most elite family, so best of the best from his view]... I think it's not that it's difficult to understand from a superficial/atheist level, but from a moral position he was horrific and it was evil. She supported him as a sister, but after he became emperor and showed his true colours and crazy plans that would destroy the empire, plus she was worried for her son as he was heir to the throne, the dynamic changed, plus her becoming uncomfortable with his advances. Also if you love a woman other women don't satisfy you, that seems to be a pattern when a guy really likes a particular girl, it's more than looks or hair colour at that point. P.S. I don't mean to be rude, but sounds like you'd have been as bad if not worse than him if you were going to do what you've written :(
I never said Thanos is the ultimate bad guy. Note I was using him and joker as an example for complex villains. Also, neither am I saying that Commodus' actions were justified.
You called him a sociopath, which is completely untrue. His intent is selfless, he tries to save the universe, even at the cost of those he loves and himself. Commodus on the other hand is a narcissistic sociopath. All he does is act out of egocentrism and sadism.
I guess we all have different views 🙂 but once again: I'm not justifying Commodus. Merely making an argument on why he did those horrible things. That of course doesn't make him a person one should sympathize with (as pointed out in the video at the end that he could have taken good decisions). Thanks for commenting! It's nice to see someone challenge my arguments, which is not a bad thing as it calls for in depth discussions like this.
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Extremely accurate video.
While his reactions and actions make him unforgivable, you can see the logic and weakness of commodus which is what causes him to do what he does.
I used to think comodus’ life was a tragedy, but now I realize it’s a tale
I got that reference ;)
@Arttective Comedy.*
@Meathead A Comedy.*
Still can’t believe he didn’t win the Oscar for this.
Thankfully, this year he will!
He finally won😍😍
He’s won one but he deserves two with this film aswell
Good job at reminding us of what an incredible complex villain Commodus is) The Gladiator is a cinematic masterpiece!Joaquin Phoenix deserved an Oscar!
He sure did deserve that Oscar! The more I watch this film, the more my appreciation for Phoenix grows!
He finally won!
Joaquin Phoenix’s performance in this film is so good it’s almost unbelievable. He is a different level actor. Brings vulnerability to all his roles.
Yep!
Why hate Commodus so much? He is betrayed by his own blood, his so called sister. He genuinely craved for his dad love, admiration and attention but he was always underestimated. If he really gets love of his family , he should have been a great ruler. He was a good swordsman, good fighter but he had some physical problems like insomnia, insecurity. King, emperor cannot trust their own shadow also, they had innumerable Enemies
I concur
Some of what you are saying is true. But Cómmodus was an immoral man. He was not fit to rule and his father knew this. He is a sympathetic character on the one hand, but a murderous sociopath on the other.
And he was not a good swordsman either. He was average at best and had never tested nor proven himself in battle.
Incest and rape can not be excused🤮 I do not support commodus
The fact that Commodus did crave for love and admiration of his family and the fact that he was depressed and unhappy basically the whole time makes me look at him like he is more then heartless monster, to put it that way, even if he did monstruous things. It makes me think that maybe he had potencial to acually become a decent person if his father was able to raise him well. Maybe. He acually did show respect,love and admiration for his father(before he killed him😐) and he would probably obey him if he was given a chance. I am sure that during his whole life it was obvious that he was mentally unstable and ill person. Remember when he said that he is afraid of the dark. Then you mix that with a father who embraces other man as a son more then his own son and you get Commodus. I mean all of course all of this circumstances doesn't metter in the end because he did deserve to die. He still is a moster but it makes him tragic and unhappy charachter as well if lack of love made him be that way. It acually remindes me of a Joker now thinking about it.
He needed to get laid and not by his sister
Usually villainy and vulnerability are like oil and water, but here it works! JP made Commodus his own. A brilliant combination of spoiled brat, the failson desperate to be taken seriously and a child bereft of affection.
Exactly!
Excellent analysis. This is why in my opinion the extended cut is the superior cut. It actually give us more depth into Commodus and his political undoing.
Thank you
Excellent. Gladiator is one of my favorites, that opening edit is real nice too 😻
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I personally think knowing the history makes Commodus an even better character, because Commodus had been dragged up to Germania very young by his father in an attempt to make him a proper Emperor. That makes Commodu’s state an even bigger fault of his father, his father was responsible for Commodus’ devious and power hungry nature, but we still do see that Commodus’ tried, we see him in a display of arms and he immediately attempt to aid his father after the battle. But the Emperor ignored him for Maximus, which caused Commodus’ to become complacent and lazy, never learning how to be a proper Emperor, but he still wanted to please his father, likely for years, those martial displays were likely an attempt to catch his father’s attention, but it never did and he continued to focus and develop on Maximus, a person that Commodus’ considered a brother by his dialogue.
Commodus’ felt ignored for years and years, despite the fact in his mind he constantly tried to impress his father, though his father kept ignoring him for Maximus, a person not even related by any blood ties to him or the Emperor. Indeed Commodus’ inadequacies were caused by his father, who also likely subtlety berated Commodus’ for his inadequacies, comparing him to Maximus, ‘oh look how good Maximus is why can’t you be like him’ despite the obvious fact of why. We even see it in the film where the father realises and asks Commodus’ to forgive him. But after all that, all the comparisons, the insults to his character, being ignored time and time again for Maximus for years upon years. After all that. The Emperor declares that Commodus’ will not be Emperor. And that’s when Commodus cracked.
Thanks for the detailed comment. This does clear things up even more.
I definitely agree, the real Villain was Marcus Aurelius, he created the monster that Commodus became and is a hypocrite, writing philosophies instead of being a good father
and also maybe this is just me yet I like to believe that in his final moments Commodus is feeling remorse and guilt for all of the cruelty he has done yet too little too late
Yep!
There's a fan fiction that actually describes this scenario perfectly. I'm afraid I don't recall the name.
The fact that Commodus wears white armour, while Maximus wears dark armour is the most powerfull aspect of the whole story.
Interesting analysis
It’s not
@@MA-yu2ss 100% acceptable that you do not agree, but would be cool if you could elaborate on why you don't belive so.
@@Simi2681 I agree in that I think it is a powerful aspect just not the MOST powerful
@@MA-yu2ss perfectly understandable
Caesar wasnt his father. Commodus' father was Marcus Aurelius. Caesar was a bit before his time. But other than that this was a great analysis. Well done mate
In the film, everyone referred to Marcus Aurelis as Caesar. After Marcus dies, Lucilla calls Commodus Caesar. I knew Caesar was different person and before their time but I assumed that due to the use of his name Caesar had become a moniker for whoever becomes Emperor of Rome. I was only speaking in context of the film but I agree I'm unaware of the actual historical context behind it. I just went along with what the film did. Anyways, thanks for commenting and I really appreciate your words!
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Well they should have actually been called Antonines, not Caesar.
After Caesar the man died, his name “Caesar” and “Augustus” became titles for a political position in the Roman Empire.
zeke k Caesar is a synonym for Emperor
@@Arttective ceasar means emperor since 27 BC.. If u hear someone say hail ceasar or ave ceasar its just translates to hail emperor
A weak child must be isolated from the overwhelming presence of a brilliant and high profile parent. If Commodus was disowned at an early age he would have become a man.
I agree
Wow I’ve never heard of this before ! Well said !
why
This video was so insightful! And compelling
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed.
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excellent video I just subscribed and Joaquin Phoenix's performance is masterful he deserves his Oscar nomination and hopefully maybe he will also be nominated for an Oscar in his performance as the Joker
Thank you. I can't wait to see Phoenix as Joker, already booked the tickets!
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and not justifying what Commodus does I just think even if it is just me this makes him a even more tragic figure and his story even more of a tragedy
Exactly. I think the society is also to blame because it helped shape Commodus as a person. And even today societal pressures like these compel people to take bad decisions. As they say: it takes a village to raise a child.
Great work, man.
Love the sharp editing on this. And you make some nice observations.
All the best for many more videos to come!
Thank you! Of course, I'm just getting started with the videos ;)
One does not simply make a Commodus video without Toccata & Fugue in D Minor. 10/10 video. Commodus is one of my favorite characters in the movie.
Thank you. Everything is better with Bach 😁
I think the relationship between Commodus and Maximus is somewhat representative of the relatio ship of the forces they belong to. The legions, like Maximus forged in the fire of warfare, were a force of principle,values and discipline. The praetorians, like Commodus, developed in relative safety and comfort, making them weak, greedy and corrupt. Manipulating the world around them through underhanded tactics.
Thank you for the detailed comment! And that makes sense.
When I first saw the movie, I was 13 y.o. (I'm 15 now); it was in History class. I was fascinated by Commodus, and still I am. When he is killed at the end of the movie, I remember my class being very happy for that, but even though I LOVE when villains show vulnerability and weakness, and are humiliated, I was the only one who was very sad for his death and for all that had being going on his mind during his entire life
Nicely done man, it's the first time I've come across your channel and I'm definitely going to check out the rest of your videos.
Thanks so much!
Beautiful analysis. You can draw many parallels from Commodus to what is happening in the western world.
Thank you so much. And you are right
Thank you for this wonderful in-depth video ❤
And thank you for this lovely comment ❤️
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very insightful, great explanation buddy!
Thank you so much
There were couple of scenes shown here that weren't on the old VHS we got. Really need to watch the movie again with them.
The real Commodus was a poor emperor. However I feel he's overhated; it's not like he was an Elagabalus
Interested in reading more about Elagabalus now.
Out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on Nero?
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Thank you!
Great video man.
Thank you!
ever since I was little, it was so easy to see the real villain; Marcus Aurelius. I’m examining the film version of Marcus, not the historical Marcus. There’s a saying, “it’s not how you drive, it’s how you arrive”. Meaning what matters most is the destination or the ending, not how you got there. Marcus Aurelius was a philosopher king and a prince of virtue FOR strangers, he was a horrid father who played favorites to Lucilla, neglected Commodus and clearly just crossed him off from young age “Commodus is not a moral man, you knew that since you were young”, hello Marcus, it’s called doing your damn job as a father and raising your son correctly, he didn’t. So when Commodus asked for approval, kind words and one full hug, and that would have been like the sun to his heart, it speaks volumes. Commodus grew up a broken man thanks to his nelglectful father. So with the saying, yes Marcus drove pretty, helped strangers, looked great on the outside, won battles, wrote endless philosophy, but it didn’t matter how he drove, because he arrived to a mess he created by neglecting his own son, Commodus killed him, and the brotherly love that Maximus and Commodus shared was shattered (it was clear they both respected and loved each other before the decision) his beloved general lost his family, and his son and his beloved general ultimately fought each other and both died. Had Marcus Aurelius been just a good father, not great one, everyone would have been alive and prosperous, Commodus would have been competent, empathetic and strong, feeling the love and approval of his beloved father and would have had his brother Maximus to continue the work of conquest for the empire/republic, but instead, Rome lost its best general and so much progress was undone with all the deaths that transpired. Great job Marcus Aurelius.
Again , very well thought out .....
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great video !!!!
Thank you so much :)
Great job as always :D
My only complaint is you don't upload more often :O
Thanks! You know man... I have a another job and it takes a ton of time to create these videos.
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I don't think he wanted a kiss from his sister like a child.
I know he didn't. I was only referring to his behavior being "childish".
JP should have got an Oscar for this role in Gladiator: FACT
Great video, thanks
Glad you loved it!!
Hey man - good commentary
Thank you!
I’m not sure I got you point about the grain but otherwise great video!
Thank you! About the grain, Commodus declared to the senate that they will be using the grain reserves to fund the games. But surprisingly the senate didn't oppose, as they usually do. This means the senate already knew about this and that there was a "traitor". This obviously was Lucilla his own sister.
His father Marcus Aurelius is world famous as the greatest good guy Emperor of Stoicism. So why did Commodus end up so terribly bad?? Stoicism in parenting results in bad kids??
Who knows. People in the old days were crazy haha
There's a sculpture by Spanish artist Eduardo Barron where it depicts Seneca and Nero made in 1904. Seneca trying to teach Nero to be a good human with its stoic philosophy. We know how that went between Seneca and Nero.
Remember, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
Son of great Marcus Aurelius and student of a great philosopher like Seneca can still be someone like Commodus and Nero.
Marcus’ duties as emperor and campaign in Germania probably prevented him from having enough time to raise his son right.
Showing the joker from TDK is not very fitting while stating that a great villain has complex motivation as he is the polar opposite, he just wants chaos, he is a character with no real backstory, he even makes up several. Nolan's intention was to create the character with no depth, the Joker is someone abstract and trying to understand him is pointless
Spreading chaos in the world is his motivation 🙂
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I just realized that Maximus is a lot in character like Ned Stark :)
Yes! But unlike Ned, I feel Maximus is still a little more smarter.
@@Arttective He had more of a fairytale story, when his attempt at the coup didn't work- when his friend is killed- he should have been killed there too. That would be more realistic and what pretty much happened with Ned.
The reason he wasn't killed was because Commodus wanted to kill him in the arena
Also Ned wasn't killed right away when his own plan failed. Joffery had him killed in a public execution.
@@Arttective ? Yes, I know that. I just mean they are very similar.
Both Maximus and Ned are highly respected men in their land and by their people, who are right hands men to the King/Emperor and who at their death make a huge mistake because of their honor that makes them lose everything, get their family killed/in danger and in the end, is the death of them. In their character, in their actions, they are many commonalities.
Commodus as you described in this video is also very similar to Joffery. With their fathers' relationships. Being spoiled and insecure, cowardly and cruel, tyrannical, etc etc.
But Gladiator has that hero trope that because Maximus is good and honorable he will achieve his goals and defeat the great evil of the story. GoT subverted that tope by showing what realistically would've happened to that type of straight forward honorable person who tries to take on powerful psychos like Joff or Commodus within an environment that is highly corrupted.
After all, though in the story Commodus wanted to fight him publicly, he may have as well have done the same as was done to Ned. After the failed coup throw him in jail for a few weeks, spread propaganda to destroy his name, etc and then get rid of him, etc, etc But then we wouldn't love it as much because the good guy wouldn't win :) and there wouldn't be a continuation with us hoping that eg his son/people will avenge him, bringing justice and giving us that 'good guys still win' ending that we ware holding out for with GoT. :)
In real life, Commodus was a physically strong man.
Didn't know that
@@Arttective yah he was a gladiator he became a fighter after a failed assassination from the Senate.. From that day onwards he hated the Senate and distrust towards them and became a fighter to defend himself .. He was well built fighter and killed tigers, elephants and ostriches with a single arrow shots on regular bases and fought against other gladiators with honor
I saw Joaquin Phoenix and clicked 👉👈
Best decision ever
I never understood commudus obsession with Lucilla. He's the emporer. I would've been boning every bad chick in the empire and knocking them up. Only time I would've seen her was at dinner time.
In the olden days royals had the habit of marrying in the family as it kept the bloodline "pure". Commodus was obsessed with his legacy which is why he was eyeing his sister. It seems gross now but was a very common thing in monarchy almost in the entire world.
@@Arttective I get the pure bloodline part. I don't get the obsession. Eventually I would've gotten around to Lucilla but I'd start off with all the blondes in the empire. Then the brunettes then the redheads.
Lol. I like your thinking 😂 Commodus really wasted his life as an Emperor
He loved her since childhood (even their father said to her about Commudus "he loves you, he always has" ...just neither father nor daughter understood what type of love that was, not sibling love). I think it's that they grew up together and she was kind/good to him, it looks like they had a good relationship initially, so for her that would be a good thing, of course she didn't know he loved her as a man loves a woman.
She's beautiful and intelligent and they grew up together and she was kind/good to him [plus same most elite family, so best of the best from his view]... I think it's not that it's difficult to understand from a superficial/atheist level, but from a moral position he was horrific and it was evil. She supported him as a sister, but after he became emperor and showed his true colours and crazy plans that would destroy the empire, plus she was worried for her son as he was heir to the throne, the dynamic changed, plus her becoming uncomfortable with his advances.
Also if you love a woman other women don't satisfy you, that seems to be a pattern when a guy really likes a particular girl, it's more than looks or hair colour at that point.
P.S. I don't mean to be rude, but sounds like you'd have been as bad if not worse than him if you were going to do what you've written :(
This film's take on Commodus is boring and dull to me when compared to 1964's Fall of The Roman Empire.
Fascinating. Will give it a watch.
.....Medieval 2 Music
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6:52 - 6:57
Trump
Modi
Erdogan,
and many others who suffer from the Lord of the Rings syndrome.
What is the LOTR syndrome?
The real Commodus was set into power by his father.
Yes but this essay is not about history, it's about the film
@@Arttective I am follower of the ancient Roman state religion by the way, Marcus Aurelius and Commodus are my version of Jesus basically.
Interesting!
@@Arttective The difference is that Jesus wasn't real.
There's actual proof? Curious
Lol you got your shit mixed up. Thanos is the bad guy and Commodus is a tragic character, sure bud.
I never said Thanos is the ultimate bad guy. Note I was using him and joker as an example for complex villains. Also, neither am I saying that Commodus' actions were justified.
You called him a sociopath, which is completely untrue. His intent is selfless, he tries to save the universe, even at the cost of those he loves and himself. Commodus on the other hand is a narcissistic sociopath. All he does is act out of egocentrism and sadism.
I guess we all have different views 🙂 but once again: I'm not justifying Commodus. Merely making an argument on why he did those horrible things. That of course doesn't make him a person one should sympathize with (as pointed out in the video at the end that he could have taken good decisions). Thanks for commenting! It's nice to see someone challenge my arguments, which is not a bad thing as it calls for in depth discussions like this.
what the fuck
Exactly!