We might have gone to school in the dark in the 60s (wearing our 'diddy jackets') but we had an extra hour of daylight in the evenings which gave us more time to gather conkers and bonfire wood.
I am strongly against this free or subsibised childcare plan that is encouraging mums of toddlers to go to work. The happiest period of my life were my first years where it was just me and my mum looking after me 100% of the time. Kids shouldn't miss out on that it's a very important part of your life.
Last week, before we were forced to put our clocks forward one hour, I noticed the following-it was light at around 6am and did not get dark until approximately 6.30pm. Children had more than enough light for their parents to drive them to and from school. Farmers go by the Sun, not the clock, so no real effect on them. The far north of Scotland have lost an hour of light in the morning and lots of people are tied today due to having to try and adjust to the time change-and all for what? Surely, even this useless government could sort this out once and for all? No more fiddling with the time, please.
Been doing the GMT since 2019. Had a realisation "why is the clock changing". And noticing in so-called Summertime it clashes the natural peak sun at noon. And no doesn't improve and totally unnecessary. 🤥
Personally I prefer the brighter evenings believe me that extra hour of brightness makes a world of difference when I arrive home from work in the evenings and I even have time to go for a walk and its still bright when I arrive back home so keep it as it is I say
@@seanpidduck Day to day life living in light has more reality than the solar cycle. I suggest it's you who lives in a fantasy. And on a subject that doesn't really matter either way
Especially when June arrives it's still bright at 10:30pm here in western Ireland and even later I like the very bright summer evenings because by the time autumn arrives the evenings start to very quickly disappear so I like to enjoy the bright evenings for as long as possible before that happens so why would you want summer evenings to have an hour less daylight than they currently do
@@zaraig5373 well they are, relative to the time we set. if the clocks weren’t put forward then the sky would not be bright at 10:30pm. If indeed this has been done from 1916 then there won’t be a person alive who remembers it any different than it has been, changing it back would be a massive change to how humans have always known it, keeping it the same is no hassle.
I remember Sèan down in Kerry in July 1985, one particular night in the summer, it didn't get fully dark until 11.35pm!!! I'll never forget that. I was only 9 then. It was beautiful weather, that particular day / night has always stayed with me.
If l were suddenly elected PM the first thing I'd do is end this silly back and forth with clocks. There's only ONE time. And why is New Year Day eleven days after the winter solstice? I've never understood this.
I vote for keeping clocks the same time .. in my opinion it's stupid, troublesome and bad for my health. Stop forcing people to wake up earlier and disrupting their body clock.
Why does Hitchins always think he's the only one that thinks we should abort this clock change, everyone I know hates it...and animals don't understand sudden changes in habit...
Yes Mike, if you kept travelling west from London on Concorde at a speed that is faster than the rotational speed of the earth as it often did; eventually you would cross the international date line and all that time you appeared to magically collect would disappear as soon as you crossed it as you loose an entire day in an instant when crossing the dateline in a westerly track. Regardless, you are not ever gaining time (at lest for the purposes of this discussion) you are merely changing your time zone.
Great episode this week. I'm glad to see that Mike has really cut down on his interjections. Very little "Oh, yes, I agree," "That's what I think," "Yeah, me too", "That's what I was going to say."
I hate BS time. Let's just stay on real time year round. If people want to get up/go to bed an hour earlier, no worries, but please don't inflict it on all of us. Noon is noon :)
But that's the same argument for doing it as not doing it. Get up when you want and go to bed when you want. Your (and Peter's) childish tantrum doesn't really make a difference either way.
I would support abolishing clocks forward and also time zones. Current GMT should be the time everywhere in the world and never change. The old system was useful when we stayed in one area and were attached to the numbers for Dawn and tea time etc.. But now we are interconnected and it is worth sacrificing familiar numbers for zero time calculations.
I decided to change my phone to no longer change the time automatically as I forgot to set my alarm 1 hour later causing me to lose an hour's sleep. This unnecessary changing of the clocks does cause issues with sleep schedules.
@@mattlm64 I don't believe you, but anyway having your phone time incorrect for 6 months is much more inconvenient than 20 seconds changing the alarm.
Is Peter Hitchens old enough to remember the last time the government ordered us to stop messing with the forwards and backwards of clocks? I am…. It was the season from 1967 to 1968 and I was living opposite a school that started it’s day at 8.40 am. Children set off from home a lot earlier than that and for many of them, their journey started in darkness. This was the first time I recall children wearing the luminous orange jackets so that they would be visible in the dark. They were also susceptible, in the darkness, to more sinister dangers. The government soon dropped the plan and reverted back to what is now the system of clock change.
when on a safari in Zambia October time , it got light at 3.30 AM AND dark at 6.30 PM ? I asked why don t move clocks forward 3 hours < so be 6.30 AM and 9.30 PM ! I was told we get up when its light and go to bed when dark ! Africans mostly Do NOT wear watches or own Clocks ! Also told the World Stock Exchange needs set times ? So a North to South also light change !
So many people in the comments have no idea what they're talking about. Moving the clock forward doesn't actually give us more daylight. This really shouldn't be this hard to understand
Changing the clocks twice a year is a pain. My watch is too complicated for me to change the time (it's an age/lack of patience thing) so I have to go to the shop where I bought it and ask someone there to do it for me.
He’s right and wrong!! Changing the clocks is stupid but we should be on British Summer Time. The weather is hard enough to endure in this country and the long summer evenings make it all worth it!!
Utter rubbish so many of us are so relived when the evenings are long for our pastimes, great for businesses such as catering and pubs, leave things alone, as much as I agree with a lot of what Hitchens said this is tosh he does seem to like people miserable.
It's not fair to say that Franco was a fan of Adolf, he was playing a wily game to keep Spain out of trouble. Fair enough that it is absurd for Spain to be on Berlin time.
Changing the clock disturbs the circadian rhythm, which is not healthy. I find the day light at 10 pm in June/ July very annoying. Its not natural and not good for sleep
Most people don't have a career Many do jobs, some have 2, they dislike only because they need the money to pay the bills and to maintain some standard of living
if we did not change them by the middle of summer we would have morning starting about 2.30 am and june the 21st it would be getting dark at 9 pm instead of 10.00 pm as it does at the moment. it might be a pain but it is a neccessary pain.
No, some of us work outdoors and that would mean working in the dark for an hour in the winter or starting an hour later and hitting the rush hour traffic.
@@16Arson Well, we produce your food, build your houses, repair your utilities, empty your bins, cut your grass. You decide if we are of any importance.
@@Raggy60 Ah ok, so just put them forwards. But it's kinda important to also put them back, otherwise it'd soon be the middle of the night. I knew you weren't keeping up.
I seemed to recall that post revolutionary France tried to decimalize time🤣 Oh and by the way... Napoleon was not as short as people sometimes think The French 'foot' was bigger than the British one
It’s a nonsense. I’m all out of kilter. Always have been. Leave as it is. Greenwich Mean Time. All the time. I’m happy enough if it gets darker a bit earlier in the evening. And am happy if it gets light at 3am for six weeks. But think on this. It’s the same time in Clifden, Ireland, as it is in Dover and yet Clifden is over 500 miles to the west of Dover. But travel 25 miles east of Dover and you get to Calais, which is an hour ahead.
If it were down to me I would remain on British summer time during winter and move the clocks an hour further forward in the summer. France are always an hour in front of us and sit on the same meridian
How do we miss an hour's sleep? Go to bed on a Saturday and get up as normal - it's the same amount of sleep. Yes, it's an hour later 'on the clock' but it's a Sunday so who cares?
I'd rather than we just stayed on GMT year around. The only real difference would be that mid-summer would see the sun rising at about 3AM rather than 4AM. Most people would be asleep anyhow so that wouldn't be a problem for me and it would mean that we wouldn't have light at 23:00.
Most people work during the day and it's better to have daylight in the evening when you can take advantage of the lighter nights than darkness an hour early. I worked night shift, four 10 hour nights, for 30 years and changing every weekend didn't disturb my sleep at all. Heaven forbid that anyone flies abroad for holiday, how they must suffer !
Does anyone look forward to losing that hour of sleep when the clocks go forward? I lost one hour of my holiday time. In any case, whilst I never look forward to the clocks going forward, I look forward to them going back - and that's where they should remain.
No one so far have been able to explain to me and make me understand the daylight saving and all the fuss about changing the clock. I’m from Hong Kong we don’t have this, I still don’t understand.
Because people run their lives off time not the suns seasonal cycle. For example school starts at 9pm, people finish work at 5pm etc etc. It’s just a way of synchronising them together as there’s more sunlight in summer and less in winter.
DrCynth. England brought in daylight saving time in 1916, so that people who worked in the munitions, planes, tanks, etc. factories on WW1 could enjoy some daylight after they had finished their 12 hour shifts at 7 or 8 pm. Indeed, during WW2, this period was doubled to 2 hrs in the summer. It has stayed with us ever since. Britain did have a vote to remove it. Sometimes, in the 1970s, I think but voted to keep it.
Would you support an end to moving the clocks forward?
NO!
Yes, a German idea from 1916 .
Yes but leave them as they are now keep the lighter evenings 🙈
No
Yes
Yes let's stop messing with the clock, it makes winter even more miserable.
Winter is GMT, if we left the clocks alone we'd still be on GMT
Being arrested for telling a joke. That only happens 3000 times a year in the UK.
We might have gone to school in the dark in the 60s (wearing our 'diddy jackets') but we had an extra hour of daylight in the evenings which gave us more time to gather conkers and bonfire wood.
You didn't. You just lost it in the morning.
As we will be soon entering the stone age perhaps we can go to back to having different times in different parts of the country.
Going forward is not the problem, it is pushing them back.
I agree we should leave the clocks alone but leave them in "summer" mode FFS. Dark winters are a royal pain in the arse.
Love living in the north east of Scotland June the 21st barely gets dark at midnight.
That's nothing to do with the clock change though!
I think we should turn the clocks back 60 years.
Why do RUclips hide the comments number in conservative-leaning channels now?? 🙄
Keep it as BST all the time
They need to stay forward and then not go back in October
The long bright evenings are lovely.
Good segment 👍
I am strongly against this free or subsibised childcare plan that is encouraging mums of toddlers to go to work. The happiest period of my life were my first years where it was just me and my mum looking after me 100% of the time. Kids shouldn't miss out on that it's a very important part of your life.
Please start a petition 😂😂 my body clock is out of sync till October
Couldn't agree more 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Last week, before we were forced to put our clocks forward one hour, I noticed the following-it was light at around 6am and did not get dark until approximately 6.30pm. Children had more than enough light for their parents to drive them to and from school. Farmers go by the Sun, not the clock, so no real effect on them. The far north of Scotland have lost an hour of light in the morning and lots of people are tied today due to having to try and adjust to the time change-and all for what? Surely, even this useless government could sort this out once and for all? No more fiddling with the time, please.
Wouldn't count on it, I reckon this useless government would have us on BST than GMT all year round.
Been doing the GMT since 2019. Had a realisation "why is the clock changing". And noticing in so-called Summertime it clashes the natural peak sun at noon. And no doesn't improve and totally unnecessary. 🤥
Precisely. I've been on GMT since 2013 and am far happier keeping to a natural circadian rhythm.
Personally I prefer the brighter evenings believe me that extra hour of brightness makes a world of difference when I arrive home from work in the evenings and I even have time to go for a walk and its still bright when I arrive back home so keep it as it is I say
So you can’t take your constitutionals after dark because . . . those darned vampires? 🤷♂️
You are effectively saying you prefer living in a fantasy world than reality tied to the solar cycle lol
@@seanpidduck Day to day life living in light has more reality than the solar cycle. I suggest it's you who lives in a fantasy. And on a subject that doesn't really matter either way
@@garymitchell5899 - spoken like a true dogmatic-blooded German!
I agree, I had to start work at 5 on Sunday and felt wrecked at night
On Sunday i had to get up at 6.15am to collect my other from the airport. This was in reality 5.15am. I am suffering three days later.
Especially when June arrives it's still bright at 10:30pm here in western Ireland and even later I like the very bright summer evenings because by the time autumn arrives the evenings start to very quickly disappear so I like to enjoy the bright evenings for as long as possible before that happens so why would you want summer evenings to have an hour less daylight than they currently do
You do understand that a day is still the same: 24 hours? And evenings are not longer or brighter because we change clocks?
@@zaraig5373 well they are, relative to the time we set. if the clocks weren’t put forward then the sky would not be bright at 10:30pm. If indeed this has been done from 1916 then there won’t be a person alive who remembers it any different than it has been, changing it back would be a massive change to how humans have always known it, keeping it the same is no hassle.
You buerk, the evenings are lighter
I remember Sèan down in Kerry in July 1985, one particular night in the summer, it didn't get fully dark until 11.35pm!!! I'll never forget that. I was only 9 then. It was beautiful weather, that particular day / night has always stayed with me.
I find this comment absurd, do you realise you lose one full hour of day light in the morning?
Yay it's not just me who is affected but that passes and we are left with beautiful evenings so def worth it
I would go one step further, I would propose that the entire world never deviates from UTC. It would solve more problems than it would create.
If l were suddenly elected PM the first thing I'd do is end this silly back and forth with clocks. There's only ONE time. And why is New Year Day eleven days after the winter solstice? I've never understood this.
Jet lag my arse. How can anyone be jet lagged because of ONE HOUR?
But they are Einstein
Takes me 2-3 weeks to fully adjust. If you're got health issues, the last thing you need is disrupted sleep.
If you have to go early to work you will know.
Nobody gets jet lag from one hour. That's the same as saying you get jet lag from going to mainland Europe, which obviously no-one does.
queensland does not have daylight saving, and at 5 am you see people on the beach before work, but come 6pm its starting to get dark on a sunny day
I vote for keeping clocks the same time .. in my opinion it's stupid, troublesome and bad for my health.
Stop forcing people to wake up earlier and disrupting their body clock.
Hey, leave those clocks alone. Give us more light in the winter, it's depressing.
Changing clocks doesn't alter the amount of daylght. Still going to be 7 hours of it in December where I live, no matter what you do.
@@rewdwarf123 I say we move the British Isles about 500 miles to the south-west, problem solved.
Why does Hitchins always think he's the only one that thinks we should abort this clock change, everyone I know hates it...and animals don't understand sudden changes in habit...
He turns up saying this every year 'like clockwork'
Move them forward 1 hr. Leave it there forevermore.
Yes Mike, if you kept travelling west from London on Concorde at a speed that is faster than the rotational speed of the earth as it often did; eventually you would cross the international date line and all that time you appeared to magically collect would disappear as soon as you crossed it as you loose an entire day in an instant when crossing the dateline in a westerly track. Regardless, you are not ever gaining time (at lest for the purposes of this discussion) you are merely changing your time zone.
I couldn't believe he asked it.
Great episode this week. I'm glad to see that Mike has really cut down on his interjections. Very little "Oh, yes, I agree," "That's what I think," "Yeah, me too", "That's what I was going to say."
Just move it by 30 minutes to make both sides happy and get it done already, that switching is so stupid. It has no purpose in 2023.
I found out in Australia there daylight savings goes on for 6 months There Government wanted to make it all year long.
I hate BS time. Let's just stay on real time year round. If people want to get up/go to bed an hour earlier, no worries, but please don't inflict it on all of us. Noon is noon :)
Spot on 👍
Precisely
But that's the same argument for doing it as not doing it. Get up when you want and go to bed when you want. Your (and Peter's) childish tantrum doesn't really make a difference either way.
I love Bulls**t time. Let’s stay on that time all year round. Can’t please everyone debs.🤷🏼
@@Metal05 Bulls***t time was introduced in 2020 and we've been stuck with it ever since
I would support abolishing clocks forward and also time zones. Current GMT should be the time everywhere in the world and never change. The old system was useful when we stayed in one area and were attached to the numbers for Dawn and tea time etc.. But now we are interconnected and it is worth sacrificing familiar numbers for zero time calculations.
I decided to change my phone to no longer change the time automatically as I forgot to set my alarm 1 hour later causing me to lose an hour's sleep. This unnecessary changing of the clocks does cause issues with sleep schedules.
Who uses their alarm on a Sunday. Come on Matthew, your lies need to be more credible than that.
@@garymitchell5899 I use an alarm every day or else I might sleep far too long.
@@mattlm64 I don't believe you, but anyway having your phone time incorrect for 6 months is much more inconvenient than 20 seconds changing the alarm.
Is Peter Hitchens old enough to remember the last time the government ordered us to stop messing with the forwards and backwards of clocks?
I am…. It was the season from 1967 to 1968 and I was living opposite a school that started it’s day at 8.40 am. Children set off from home a lot earlier than that and for many of them, their journey started in darkness. This was the first time I recall children wearing the luminous orange jackets so that they would be visible in the dark. They were also susceptible, in the darkness, to more sinister dangers. The government soon dropped the plan and reverted back to what is now the system of clock change.
when on a safari in Zambia October time , it got light at 3.30 AM AND dark at 6.30 PM ? I asked why don t move clocks forward 3 hours < so be 6.30 AM and 9.30 PM ! I was told we get up when its light and go to bed when dark ! Africans mostly Do NOT wear watches or own Clocks ! Also told the World Stock Exchange needs set times ? So a North to South also light change !
So many people in the comments have no idea what they're talking about. Moving the clock forward doesn't actually give us more daylight. This really shouldn't be this hard to understand
Peter is obviously not a farmer. Us farmers think it’s great.
Somehow it's important to 1990's Russia but we're not exactly sure how.
When the clocks go forward I can’t get out of bed. When they go backwards I like it more. 🙈🙈🙈
clocks should go forward in october not back...i much prefer light evenings....
I like it
More of Peter please. And could his mic be turned up a bit?
He is hard to hear in many videos
Leave the clocks alone. Adjust your working schedule if you must.
That's exactly what we do now. We adjust the clocks and if individuals don't like it they can adjust their work schedule. This isn't hard.
I think Peter would like the clocks to go back to 1950.
Sounds good to me
The calendar is also a construct. The reason April 1st is still a noted date is that it was the beginning of the year in the Julian calendar.
Should make this segment an hour.
STOP MESSING WITH TIME!!!
When the clocks go back, put them back by half an hour then you no longer need to go back and forward every year.
Changing the clocks twice a year is a pain. My watch is too complicated for me to change the time (it's an age/lack of patience thing) so I have to go to the shop where I bought it and ask someone there to do it for me.
I am so lucky where I live not to have this wind the clock forward nonsense going on.
He’s right and wrong!! Changing the clocks is stupid but we should be on British Summer Time. The weather is hard enough to endure in this country and the long summer evenings make it all worth it!!
Imagine if Peter Hitchens turned up an hour late because he forgot to move his clock ⏰ forward 😂😊
I love watching the pair of you discuss this subject. The clocks changing, that is. You make a good double act.
Ridiculous.
It would be daylight at 3.30am in June and July.
What if you choose not to turn the clocks back then? I.e. just stay with this mode as it is now post the recent move forward.
It is high time that this nonsense was stopped, we would be much better off. The was is long gone, time we realised that fact.
One good thing about changing the clocks is that it reminds me of Jonah Ryan's campaign to abolish daylight savings (saving!) time.
Utter rubbish so many of us are so relived when the evenings are long for our pastimes, great for businesses such as catering and pubs, leave things alone, as much as I agree with a lot of what Hitchens said this is tosh he does seem to like people miserable.
It's not fair to say that Franco was a fan of Adolf, he was playing a wily game to keep Spain out of trouble. Fair enough that it is absurd for Spain to be on Berlin time.
Changing the clock disturbs the circadian rhythm, which is not healthy. I find the day light at 10 pm in June/ July very annoying. Its not natural and not good for sleep
Stay on British summer time through the winter and go to double summer time in March. This way we can all enjoy longer summer evenings…
Most people don't have a career
Many do jobs, some have 2, they dislike only because they need the money to pay the bills and to maintain some standard of living
if we did not change them by the middle of summer we would have morning starting about 2.30 am and june the 21st it would be getting dark at 9 pm instead of 10.00 pm as it does at the moment. it might be a pain but it is a neccessary pain.
I always said it's stupid 🤣
No, some of us work outdoors and that would mean working in the dark for an hour in the winter or starting an hour later and hitting the rush hour traffic.
So the entire country of over sixty million people must accommodate the work schedules of people who happen to work outdoors?
That's the natural way ask the animals if they approve...
@@16Arson Well, we produce your food, build your houses, repair your utilities, empty your bins, cut your grass. You decide if we are of any importance.
You've got it wrong. Stop moving the clocks BACK.
Forward in Spring; backwards in Autumn. Do keep up.
@@garymitchell5899 yes. Don't put them back in the Autumn. Do keep up.
@@Raggy60 Ah ok, so just put them forwards. But it's kinda important to also put them back, otherwise it'd soon be the middle of the night. I knew you weren't keeping up.
Are you naturally obtuse or am I just lucky 🥱
East Germany: No bananas, and they shot you if you tried to leave. If that's not enough, what is?
I seemed to recall that post revolutionary France tried to decimalize time🤣
Oh and by the way...
Napoleon was not as short as people sometimes think
The French 'foot' was bigger than the British one
Is there w way of muting Mike whilst Peter is speaking?
I like the long bright summer evenings. Leave it alone.
It’s a nonsense. I’m all out of kilter. Always have been. Leave as it is. Greenwich Mean Time. All the time. I’m happy enough if it gets darker a bit earlier in the evening. And am happy if it gets light at 3am for six weeks. But think on this. It’s the same time in Clifden, Ireland, as it is in Dover and yet Clifden is over 500 miles to the west of Dover. But travel 25 miles east of Dover and you get to Calais, which is an hour ahead.
I turned up for work an hour early once, this nonsense causes a lot of stress
For those complaining that “it’ll be dark in the morning”. Guess what, you can still wake up an hour earlier!!!! Crazy right!!!
Well if you're going to do that what does it matter what the clocks say?
I'm still waiting for my atomin watch to reset itself
You might need to turn on the DST option
If it were down to me I would remain on British summer time during winter and move the clocks an hour further forward in the summer. France are always an hour in front of us and sit on the same meridian
Yes, because France has taken the bizarre decision to keep itself on Berlin time rather than the time associated with its own time zone, i.e. GMT.
This is bs Peter.
Peter, you are not the only person who understands.
Love your stuff but you aren't unique.
I agree, stop this stu[id thing, we should stay with GMT and forget this "Paris Time" thing.
Yes, hmmm, that's right, yeah, hmmm, you're right
Mr gammon
East Germany is now developing economically thanks to Tesla.
It’s all to do with financial markets
Too bad Hitchens doesn't have a plummy accent or else I would ❎ for this.
How do we miss an hour's sleep? Go to bed on a Saturday and get up as normal - it's the same amount of sleep. Yes, it's an hour later 'on the clock' but it's a Sunday so who cares?
In my opinion it all comes down to an individualistic scale. I quite like the time zones myself.
I'd rather than we just stayed on GMT year around. The only real difference would be that mid-summer would see the sun rising at about 3AM rather than 4AM. Most people would be asleep anyhow so that wouldn't be a problem for me and it would mean that we wouldn't have light at 23:00.
😂
Light at 23.00 lol where
Most people work during the day and it's better to have daylight in the evening when you can take advantage of the lighter nights than darkness an hour early. I worked night shift, four 10 hour nights, for 30 years and changing every weekend didn't disturb my sleep at all. Heaven forbid that anyone flies abroad for holiday, how they must suffer !
Stop whinning, clocks have been going back and forward since 1972 we all have 24hrs the next day to catch up with sleep.
Totally agree with Peter who the hell are we to think we can mess with nature
We aren't. We are changing our organisation of time, which is purely arbitrary anyway.
It was his brother that was the smart one.
He just talks shite and thinks he's smart by going against the consensus.
Too late for Mike to unlearn his habit of constant interruption.
Prefer summer time myself.
We should definately stop changing the clocks. But the present setting is the one we should keep.
Does anyone look forward to losing that hour of sleep when the clocks go forward? I lost one hour of my holiday time. In any case, whilst I never look forward to the clocks going forward, I look forward to them going back - and that's where they should remain.
I think daylight saving is a real piss off too
No one so far have been able to explain to me and make me understand the daylight saving and all the fuss about changing the clock. I’m from Hong Kong we don’t have this, I still don’t understand.
You literally don't understand it? Whether you agree or not? Then there's clearly no hope for you so we needn't bother.
Because people run their lives off time not the suns seasonal cycle.
For example school starts at 9pm, people finish work at 5pm etc etc.
It’s just a way of synchronising them together as there’s more sunlight in summer and less in winter.
DrCynth. England brought in daylight saving time in 1916, so that people who worked in the munitions, planes, tanks, etc. factories on WW1 could enjoy some daylight after they had finished their 12 hour shifts at 7 or 8 pm. Indeed, during WW2, this period was doubled to 2 hrs in the summer. It has stayed with us ever since. Britain did have a vote to remove it. Sometimes, in the 1970s, I think but voted to keep it.
Leave them on GMT lighter mornings and dark by 9 in the summer is fine . hate this summer forward business
GMT, GMT,GMT.