Thanks very much, you helped me through changing the address on my first loco. The rest of the dark arts can wait a while until I have recovered! I'll pop back again when I'm brave enough to tackle CVs.
Many thanks for the feedback and I'm really glad it helped in some way. ( I even blow my mind understanding it all ) I think as we filter through the world of technology we learn little bits as we gain more confidence. I started out with very old DCC decoders that I was not wanting due to upgrading, but these are great benchmarks units to practice decoding setting etc - they can be reset and it dose get you in the know going forward.. MY tip / write your setting findings down - makes life easier lol.. Wishing all the best Garry..
Thank you, 👍 It's helped many modellers over time, as it had for myself when I recoded this. I was completely lost in a very deep void with DCC. but I have never looked back since. Thanks again and all the best. Garry
Hi Stephen many thanks for your comment, I was DC all the way, then I opened the door to DCC, I'm still enjoying the freedom of running trains with ease - Hope all goes to plan - DCC is not as scary as many make out lol.. All the best as always -Garry.
Great video. I have that Gaugemaster Prodigy controller and the CV values petrify me but I do need to be brave and modify a few of my loco CV values so this is a really useful video. Thank you!
I use the same controller after returning another. I am just writing a database to keep track of my collection and came back to look at what DCC settings you were discussing here. I have included DCC and DCC sound, decoder type, address, CV2, CV3, CV4, CV5, CV6, usual running speed step and maximum speed before it looks daft as data to refer back to.
Oh yeap I totally agree with you there and something I do with my loco running sheets by adding the CV data settings to refer back on performance. So easy to for get with many loco's. Cheers 👍
as long as both loco's are using the same speed step they should synchronize - it does depend also on what decoders as some decoder have certain speed stem parameters -ideally 128 will give more scope but mainly use 28 speed steps for quick set ups.. Hope this helps... Many Thanks.. Garry
Hi Gary, I`m about to convert to DCC and like you I was a little apprehensive about making the change, so I found your video very encouraging. Thanks for posting this video. Cheers Greg
Greg It’s great system at a low entry level I’ve used it for 2 .5 years and still loving the ease of use 👍 and I believe it’s cheaper on amazon at the moment Cheers Garry
Hi Gary, I have the Prodigy Advance system and with your guidance I’ve just rest the CV on my PECO N Gauge Collett... it now works perfectly thank you.
Thanks Gary , I have been on DCC for about 4 years but was never sure what to set the start voltage to and was quite wary of altering CV's . Will have a go now at my loco's , you demonstrated that in a nice and easy way to follow . Cheers......Peter
Hi Gary , I have been happy altering CV's 3 & 4 before . Have had a go at the start voltages and it does make a difference and also reducing max. speed on a couple with CV's 5 & 6 , my latest 57 from Bachman I'm leaving alone as it's a good runner as are my Biffo fitted sounds . Thanks once again .......Peter
Great stuff Peter 👍 It’s one of those sayings - if it ant broke don’t fix it.. but looking at what can be accomplished, is very rewarding indeed.. Thanks for updating mate 😁 Garry
Fantastic news Roger Certainly will make life a lot easier I’ve used mine over 2 years now and from playing on other systems the prodigy is flexible and easy to operate.. Great job mate
Thanks for the comment, I would believe so as dcc mirrors in scale due and would relate to motor pull in scale size, but not something I have tried as I only model in OO scale currently.. With steam settings you would delay the motion to mimic the real thing.. but interesting to find out.. Thanks again..
Hi great video,could you explain how to increase the sound as I,ve no CV sheet with my bachmman 57, you need a earring aid to hear it. Thxs in advance. AJ.
Oh Thats a good question 🧐 - you would need the data sheet for the decoder as they differ in CV values - I will have a look to see what I can find 👍 Cheers
Garry, it was watching one of your previous videos and you highlighted the same thing regarding slow start and stop on locos that got me thinking that I needed to address this prototypical element of running trains on my layout. Still haven’t done it but it is on the to do list and this new video just bumped it up the list a bit again. Thanks for sharing. Paul
Hi Paul thanks for the comment again sorry for the delay just things are so busy with TV filming of my layout etc.. It’s a great unit or as you can see it’s this easy to program loco’s on any system, of which brings the reality.. loving your layout and I follow your progress so keep up the fab work.. Take care buddy All the best Garry
Hi Garry well done have been combing the net for this info should have looked closer to home, lots of guys showing putting chips in and what not but they don't finish out the full story, we'll done again i look forward to your next video Regards David
Thanks for this. Im just getting myself organised and bought the Prodigy Express. Had bought a Hornby Elite off fleabay which turned out to be faulty but cost me over £170 second hand! I think this express is well worth the money out of the box. Cheers.
It’s a fab system and gaugemaster stick by their word on these systems so a little peace of mind.. I love my system and for the ease of use and flexibility it works well.. Thanks again for your comment All the best Garry
Great video Gary. I'm an old model railroader of about 40 years ago. I have a bunch of HO track and trains in a box that I haven't used since. It's obviously DC...so this video really helped me get a better idea of what DCC brings to the realism on the track layout. I believe the track is Atlas brass track which I'm sure I have to clean before I even think of running anything.I'm trying to figure out where to start. I know I'm going to need a new engine that's DCC because I love the new sounds that come out of these new engines today vs. years ago. I'd love to hear from you to give me an idea of where to start because I know it's going to be s while to complete the layout. The size I'm going to be working with is probably going to be 4'x8'.Hope to hear from you soon, so I can put together a game plan to get started. After all these years I'm still very excited to finally committing to putting a layout to board. Thanks so much. Mark
Wow Mark sounds like you bought a ticket about the model railroad express and what a journey we’ll have 😉 Track is probably the most important part at this stage so make sure it runs every good A few DC test wires just check your heading the right way If you have problems at this stage at least you know it’s the track rather than heading on down the road struggling Then I would suggest looking at Brian Lambert on the Internet as he has a very basic look of dcc wiring but the more you read the more intense you can dive.. This is where I started 👍 4x8 sounds a beautiful layout to start with and I think you’ll have plenty of fun my friend Your always welcome to knock on my RUclips door if you need some pointers All the best buddy Garry
thanks gary thats been a great help.i find watching someone demonstrate somethink so much easier to follow than reading from an instuction book all the best sam
Richard This is the beauty of DCC it’s designed to be easy across the board for all ages. To be honest I don’t set all the other CV settings as these work well as default but as I’ve shown changing a few simple settings can make a big difference. Let me know how you got on 👍 Cheers and all the best Garry
Hi buddy No don’t wire 12v 😮 Any compatible dcc system is 18v - only wire the dcc system to run your layout. This will have two outlets for track power 1= main track (the layout) 2= is the programming track these must be kept separate You can program any loco on either track but program track should be priority If you have more than one loco on main track - then it can potentially complicate other decoders. Hope this helps Garry
Thank you, that is the best video on explaining cv values and changing them that I have seen on RUclips. Although your control system is different to mine (I have a EZ Command Dynamis with Pro box) I'm sure with what you've explained it will help me to understand how to change CV values a bit more easier. I find the instruction book and the RUclips channel from Dynamis very poor. You have helped me understand a bit more what it is all about, Thank You. .....Graham
Thanks Graham, Yeah CV setting is standard as compliant to NMRA standards but just entered in a slightly different way on each dcc hand set But certainly doable on all dcc systems Thanks again Garry
Good video Garry, it will be a big help to newcomers who maybe want to go DCC but feel unsure because they think it is too complicated, hopefully your video with put their minds as rest. Regards to you and your family Garry Michael
Thanks Michael for your supporting comment. A lot of people do deter from dcc and from looking from other guys comments on this video the message is getting out there on cool dcc is. Cheers and wishing you all the best Garry
A good video. I think which ever system you choose to use setting the CV's of the locomotive is a must. It allows you "drive" the loco instead of just "controlling" it. Keith
Hi buddy It’s a great system and if you upgrade all of it is still compatible I have both prodigy systems and I have many ask to buy the express off me but I will undyingly use it on my next layout or as a spare cab with my advanced 2 Easy and very versatile 👍😉 All the best Garry
Thanks for the comment You can use many different point motors but requires an address module or dcc chip to code it. Without filling this page with the answer I’ve dug out this same topic on RMweb page that will help 😉👍 www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/80524-point-motors/ Cheers
Thanks for the review, I am thinking of buying a Dapol n gauge starter pack which includes the doc controller you reviewed , it has given me confidence to go and buy the set, thanks again
Peter these systems are in my opinion really easy to use and very diverse with all other prodigy products As a starter you will hang on to this system I’m sure as loving mine into its 3rd year I don’t claim to know everything but always here to help All the best Garry
Hi Garry. Just came across your channel as I am looking to buy the Prodigy Express controller. Thanks very much for an extremely helpful video which has given me plenty of the information I was looking for. I have just changed over from HO to N Gauge and am about to start building a small layout. I have some experience of DCC, but am looking to simplify things with Kato points and switches and just needed a basic controller for the locos. Decision made👍 Can I please ask where you got your back scene as it looks very realistic? Just subscribed. Thanks again. Keith
Hi Keith Many Thanks for your comment and for supporting the channel, I must admit I am a huge fan of the Prodigy Controllers and easy to use my biggest love is the diversity on how you can upgrade the system using the old controller or add boosts to a layout - very well thought out As to my backscene these are all hand painted by myself unfortunately I have done a video that can be viewed on how too Thanks again and all the best Garry 👍
Gee thanks Glenn It’s not an easy one to get across as if someone is anti dcc it overwhelms. I know when I got my system- prototypical running was what I wanted but never understood how, many people don’t realise that we can simply change the easy cv’s without getting technical to achieve this.. Thanks again and hope all works out with the programming Shout if you get stuck 👍 All the best Garry
Hi Gary, enjoyed your video, as a newbie it was confidence inspiring. Are the instruction manuals of these gaugemaster controllers pretty clear? Can you explain how another controller is actually plugged in and used when you want to run trains with someone else? I'd also really like to know how the controller knew it was your test track? I presume that your main track and your test track are wired in separately somehow and somehow you've allocated them names etc?
Hi Alex Many thanks for your comment. For all dcc controller systems and this is generic each cab just plugs into the main controller unit - a splitter to extend more cabs cab be added to the main unit for multiple use - these just plug in and both cabs will work immediately Refer to gaugemaster prodigy advanced 2 manual this will guide you.. For programming you do need a separate track Known as (programming track) Your Main Track will be the layout itself When programming select the program button on the controller it will toggle between main track and programming track.. 👍 Cheers Garry
Just what I needed to learn I have an intercity 225 and only just got this controller and messed up the cvs and train won’t run so I’m gonna give what you did a go and see how I get on
Many Thanks John FYI if you require a copy of my CV guides I have now added them to my web site cheekytek.com under DCC Guidence Hope this helps.. Cheers Garry
Hi buddy Most dcc controllers hold about 20 trains including Prodigy- as a rule so you can scroll through, not sure of others but gaugemaster will only store the first or last five once switched off but can be added as running up engines again. Z21 will hold up to 99 I believe and they sit on the display panel until activated this being a WiFi unit giving phone controller as a cab.. Maybe dive in to some research on dcc controllers and what you want from a system Hope this helps slightly All the best Garry
I have the Advanced 2, a good price, Gary. My ECoS developed a short in the circuit board and the cost to replace it was cheaper to buy7 a new one (£600). I liked the guide, Gary.
Hi Nigel If you go to my website cheekytek.com I have now added these sheets on a page called 'DCC Guidence' where you can copy paste or download a powerpoint copy.. hope this helps.. Cheers Garry
Hi Garry Great video Ive taken your recommendation and brought the Prodigy express from Amazon it was on offer for £108 must say i love the feel of the prodigy hand controller compered to my old Hornby select and looks a lot easier to use. cheers for doing this video Im going to have fun learning how to use it now lol ... Pete
Peter thanks for your comment and apologies for delayed response, things very busy at the moment due to working with channel 5 tv competition, Yeah it’s been absolutely fab for me hence my video, I only promote what o feel would benefit others. What a fab price on amazon 👍 love how much u saved.. I added the advance 2 controller to mine as for extra running again that was a steal from amazon £50 cheaper.. Have fun and if you need any support just drop me a lines All the best Garry
Thanks Gary i appreciate that yes Amazon have had some great deals on Gaugemaster bits i have been thinking about getting the extension plate but I'm thinking they must be a cheaper alternative as they are only internet leads
Make sure u get the gaugemaster one dcc 71 as these are configured differently than standard internet sockets www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=DCC77&style=&strType=&Mcode=Gaugemaster+DCC77 It’s £10 but your spend more from eBay if not correct.. This is what I used. 👍
Thanks again Gary I will get the gaugemaster one and forgot to say good luck with the channel 5 program mate sounds very interesting ... All the best ... Pete
Hi Gary, a quick question. After programming cv for slower deceleration, if the loco is running in to a station but looks like it will over run the end of the platform, is there a function to simulate extra braking being applied so that it can stop in the right place?
Great vid....Been wanting to up grade my Hornby select for ages but couldn’t decide which controller to buy,advanced or express.l now think the express will be a massive upgrade over the Hornby.Thanks for making my mind up.Roger Roger
Many thanks roger, many say the same to your comment, certainly a great starter system and I believe it’s cheaper on amazon at the moment 👍 Cheers Garry
You have made, for me , the programming of locos through this system so uncomplicated, I have the mid range version , I did have the Hornby elite but found it so complicated and unreliable thanks again keep them coming , great layout as well with all the extra little features phil
Hi, I have same controller and was wondering on the back of the control box it has wires for main track and wires for program track, can you have both wired up at same time. As long and like you i have a program track separate to the main track, Thanks
Hi Ken Yes 👍 as long as the main track and program track are separate then this is completely okay.... ie..from green plug on control unit - *Main feed wired to layout 👍 *Programme feed wired to separate track off layout for programming only. 👍 Because they are separate wiring they wont interfere This is done so that the hand set can program a train - and then be entered on the hand set to run it on the layout without re-wiring or changing anything- If you feel unsure refer to the user guide which can be found on the Gaugemaster web site under the prodigy product. Hope this helps If any further concerns I’m happy to support. Garry 👍
Hi.would you happen to now what the SHORT codes mean,as i am having problems using me prodigy express controller and trying to power my layout Dcc, i pluged the power pack to the mains and put a multi-meter prob into the middle hole and the black on the outside reading of the jack plug 12.8v place the red prob to pin 3 of the green plug and the black to pin 4 reading 0.08 is that right, as i am not sure would be greatfull for you feed back thank you Brian
Hi Brian - ok my suggestion is to un-plug what you have and re-connect as the instructions/ these can be found on the Gaugemaster website in the advertised product / instructions, ✅ the green socket with 4 wire connecters (1234) from the power supply should be 🅰️ 1,2, is the main feed to the main track layout ( make sure that if red is left & blue is right on track make sure the whole layout follows your preference. 🅱️ 3,4, is the program track which must be kept separate from 1,2, feeds. - 🛑 As this is DCC you may find false reading on a test meter because the voltage is pulsing differently than DC. But start as mentioned and refer to instructions - this should be all ok ( hope this helps ) Garry
Hi Gary.thank you for your reply(1) removed all the dropper wires and started again,at the moment things are looking good (2) the voltage problem i thing was down to me as i had the meter set to ac NOT dc.....thats how i was only getting 0.08v as it was from a power broad, 240v So hopfuly things are all ok and again thank you for getting back cheers Brian.
Hi again Gary. Thanks again for the reply. Just to rewind a little, I’m in the research phase of building my own medium sized DCC layout, as far as train control goes. But I thought conventional dc operated point switching might be simpler, cheaper and easier (and ultimately give similar results to DCC controlled point switching) so will probably go down this route. Apart from your video on installing points at a later date than your main layout construction and wiring, are there any other videos you would direct me to? Either by yourself or Brian Lambert? I find it’s quite tricky to find the precise summarised info for DCC loco control but DC point switching, especially on topics like electro frog automatic polarity switching etc etc Thanks again, your layout is awesome!
Hi Alex I run my points from a CDU discharge unit separate from DCC as seen in these follow on videos May be of inspiration ruclips.net/video/ZjLGLblG350/видео.html Cheers
Hi Trevor sorry for the late reply Sound decoders yeap as the decoder will be programmed with DCC - all DCC systems are compatible so if you adding something that is a DCC product then all will work- If any concerns consult the manufacturer - prodigy is a Gaugemaster product - they will be too glad to clarify in detail over the phone.... Hope this helps in some way- Garry
Hello - love the video but I'm a bit confused, do all these prodigy controllers have the blue screen? because I've seen some on you tube that are silver/black lcd
Hi Paul I think the early versions didn’t have the backlight display - which all new prodigy systems now have when connected - There are battery walk around wifi handsets, so this may have just a normal view to save battery.( but I have never used them ) it will say on the Gaugemaster web site under product information.. Cheers Garry
Hi Brian Many Thanks for the post, as you’ve mentioned it is one of the most tricky ones to master Certainly will do this for you, At currently I’m also doing consists too so I’ll compile in one. Maybe a couple weeks before it’s out as I’m doing exhibitions and travelling in and out Europe at current. Thanks but I’ll put that next on the list 👍😉 All the best Garry
No you won't damage the loco as its the decoder chip data you are changing so this only changes the performance - THE CV values are designed to be changed by the operator - I play by changing CV settings as it help the running to get a prototypical feel for the loco.. Remember all Decoders have a backdoor RESET code to get you back to factory state. check your decoder values on pack - normally CV8 DATA 8 enter. 👍 I have some sheets on my website that may help www.cheekytek.com/dcc-advice start stopping sheets may help you get a feel Try changing CV 2 with is Volts starting - refer to manual default then -increase the CV3 values to slowly start -increase the CV4 values to slow stopping Personally I dont change CV29 which is the heart of many operations as that is a minefield unless you get to grips of it all.. Hope this helps All the best Garry
@@cheekytek Gary your awesome. thanks for the reply i was worried if i made a mistake with the voltage it my blow up lol i,ll a have look at your sheets. thanks so much for your help merry Christmas
Hi Nigel Soz for late reply - had a crazy week Yeah I’ll probably add a link on my website to share - no probs I let you know here with the link when I’ve got it live 😉👍 Cheers
Provided the loco has a sound decoder with speaker - like all DCC systems just use the F keys (function) Start with F1 and so on for higher values like F10 you need to press Shift first them F1 = F10 and do on.. Hope this helps 👍 Garry That’s all there is to it
Hi again Can you demo on CV 63.....l’ave no success on my latest purchase a WC 37. It is fitted with Lego sound which is soft compared with my other loco’s, thanks Roger
Make sure you program on test track as the prodigy handset only reads and writes to test track Main track you can write but not read, I only have one sound loco as sound is new to me but I’ll have a look to see what I can discover on cv 63 volume I’ll respond in a few days 👍
I Gary I wonder if can help me where is the start on prodigi advance button a good vid but I did not see where you pressed to start the loco I'm desperate your truly Victor isbell.
Hi Corey When the system is on and you see a display on the handset press Loco - enter your decoder number for that train - press blue enter to speed up and Delete to decrease speed Thats all Hope this helps all the best Garry
Hi buddy- Yeap totally If you watch the video from 12:00 onwards and follow my settings or even half the values to suit you - your see this on your loco.. As a default I use I tend to do a loco as this then adjust up or down with these values on cv 3 & 4 Cv 1 - loco address Cv 2 - start volt = 6 Cv 3 - accel = 30 Cv 4 - decel = 40 Cv5 - blank enter CV. - blank enter Enter to finish Hope this helps buddy Cheers
DCC systems will run any loco weather sound fitted or just standard loco As long as each train has a decoder and a different address to identify it There are a lot of great books on DCC and how it works that will bring you the best out of your system. Think the Internet would be the best place to find something like that.. Cheers 👍
Tried what u suggested about cv and stuff love how my n gauge hst move offs now my layout is 2ft by 7ft great video about seep motor fancy giving them a try to Gary 🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂
Them tweaks to low value CV’s makes all the difference and brings DCC into its right TBH point on OO was easy to add and certainly a game changer excuse the pun 😉 Cheers buddy 👍
Gary could I have a hard copy of the guide, as my eyes are not very good. My guide dog has better sight than me, sorry to be a pest but, it would help me a lot.
Nigel I added this detail on your comments to this video last week so have a scroll down and read my last feedback 👍 Also available on the video description to go to my web site to download 😉
If you found Brian Lambert's site/book useful, then I can recommend the Model Railway Forum www.modelrailwayforum.co.uk/ which he runs. Very helpful and knowledgeable bunch on there.
Thanks very much, you helped me through changing the address on my first loco. The rest of the dark arts can wait a while until I have recovered! I'll pop back again when I'm brave enough to tackle CVs.
Many thanks for the feedback and I'm really glad it helped in some way. ( I even blow my mind understanding it all )
I think as we filter through the world of technology we learn little bits as we gain more confidence. I started out with very old DCC decoders that I was not wanting due to upgrading, but these are great benchmarks units to practice decoding setting etc - they can be reset and it dose get you in the know going forward..
MY tip / write your setting findings down - makes life easier lol..
Wishing all the best Garry..
I was having problems programming my 37402 today and after watching this video and a little help from a good friend I managed to get her working
Thank you, 👍
It's helped many modellers over time, as it had for myself when I recoded this. I was completely lost in a very deep void with DCC. but I have never looked back since.
Thanks again and all the best. Garry
Thanks Gary, I am converting from DC to DCC and your explanations are very helpful.
Hi Stephen many thanks for your comment, I was DC all the way, then I opened the door to DCC, I'm still enjoying the freedom of running trains with ease - Hope all goes to plan - DCC is not as scary as many make out lol..
All the best as always -Garry.
Great video. I have that Gaugemaster Prodigy controller and the CV values petrify me but I do need to be brave and modify a few of my loco CV values so this is a really useful video. Thank you!
I use the same controller after returning another. I am just writing a database to keep track of my collection and came back to look at what DCC settings you were discussing here. I have included DCC and DCC sound, decoder type, address, CV2, CV3, CV4, CV5, CV6, usual running speed step and maximum speed before it looks daft as data to refer back to.
Oh yeap I totally agree with you there and something I do with my loco running sheets by adding the CV data settings to refer back on performance. So easy to for get with many loco's.
Cheers 👍
Hello, great video. what speed step did you use? Will it make a difference?
as long as both loco's are using the same speed step they should synchronize - it does depend also on what decoders as some decoder have certain speed stem parameters -ideally 128 will give more scope but mainly use 28 speed steps for quick set ups..
Hope this helps... Many Thanks.. Garry
Hi Gary, I`m about to convert to DCC and like you I was a little apprehensive about making the change, so I found your video very encouraging. Thanks for posting this video. Cheers Greg
Greg It’s great system at a low entry level I’ve used it for 2 .5 years and still loving the ease of use 👍 and I believe it’s cheaper on amazon at the moment
Cheers Garry
Hi Gary, I have the Prodigy Advance system and with your guidance I’ve just rest the CV on my PECO N Gauge Collett... it now works perfectly thank you.
Hi Richard Many thanks for the comment, your very welcome..
Thanks Garry
Thanks Gary , I have been on DCC for about 4 years but was never sure what to set the start voltage to and was quite wary of altering CV's . Will have a go now at my loco's , you demonstrated that in a nice and easy way to follow . Cheers......Peter
Thanks Peter
Let me know how you got on if you have a dabble..
any problems send me a message 👍
All the best Garry
Hi Gary , I have been happy altering CV's 3 & 4 before . Have had a go at the start voltages and it does make a difference and also reducing max. speed on a couple with CV's 5 & 6 , my latest 57 from Bachman I'm leaving alone as it's a good runner as are my Biffo fitted sounds . Thanks once again .......Peter
Great stuff Peter 👍
It’s one of those sayings - if it ant broke don’t fix it.. but looking at what can be accomplished, is very rewarding indeed..
Thanks for updating mate 😁
Garry
Hi Gary Gone from E Z, Hornby now have Prodigy Express based on your vid. Should upgraded years ago! Very pleased with controller. Roger
Fantastic news Roger
Certainly will make life a lot easier I’ve used mine over 2 years now and from playing on other systems the prodigy is flexible and easy to operate..
Great job mate
Brilliant helpful viddy. 👍👍
Would the cv settings be similar for n gauge steam trains?
Thanks for the comment, I would believe so as dcc mirrors in scale due and would relate to motor pull in scale size, but not something I have tried as I only model in OO scale currently..
With steam settings you would delay the motion to mimic the real thing.. but interesting to find out..
Thanks again..
Hi great video,could you explain how to increase the sound as I,ve no CV sheet with my bachmman 57, you need a earring aid to hear it. Thxs in advance. AJ.
Oh Thats a good question 🧐 - you would need the data sheet for the decoder as they differ in CV values - I will have a look to see what I can find 👍
Cheers
Garry, it was watching one of your previous videos and you highlighted the same thing regarding slow start and stop on locos that got me thinking that I needed to address this prototypical element of running trains on my layout. Still haven’t done it but it is on the to do list and this new video just bumped it up the list a bit again. Thanks for sharing. Paul
Hi Paul thanks for the comment again sorry for the delay just things are so busy with TV filming of my layout etc..
It’s a great unit or as you can see it’s this easy to program loco’s on any system, of which brings the reality.. loving your layout and I follow your progress so keep up the fab work..
Take care buddy
All the best Garry
Hi Garry well done have been combing the net for this info should have looked closer to home, lots of guys showing putting chips in and what not but they don't finish out the full story, we'll done again i look forward to your next video
Regards
David
Many Thanks David - Yeah not many videos cover them bits we needed. Glad this video was useful.
Cheers as always Garry
Thanks for this. Im just getting myself organised and bought the Prodigy Express. Had bought a Hornby Elite off fleabay which turned out to be faulty but cost me over £170 second hand! I think this express is well worth the money out of the box. Cheers.
It’s a fab system and gaugemaster stick by their word on these systems so a little peace of mind..
I love my system and for the ease of use and flexibility it works well..
Thanks again for your comment
All the best Garry
Great video Gary. I'm an old model railroader of about 40 years ago. I have a bunch of HO track and trains in a box that I haven't used since. It's obviously DC...so this video really helped me get a better idea of what DCC brings to the realism on the track layout. I believe the track is Atlas brass track which I'm sure I have to clean before I even think of running anything.I'm trying to figure out where to start. I know I'm going to need a new engine that's DCC because I love the new sounds that come out of these new engines today vs. years ago. I'd love to hear from you to give me an idea of where to start because I know it's going to be s while to complete the layout. The size I'm going to be working with is probably going to be 4'x8'.Hope to hear from you soon, so I can put together a game plan to get started. After all these years I'm still very excited to finally committing to putting a layout to board. Thanks so much. Mark
Wow Mark sounds like you bought a ticket about the model railroad express and what a journey we’ll have 😉
Track is probably the most important part at this stage so make sure it runs every good
A few DC test wires just check your heading the right way
If you have problems at this stage at least you know it’s the track rather than heading on down the road struggling
Then I would suggest looking at Brian Lambert on the Internet as he has a very basic look of dcc wiring but the more you read the more intense you can dive..
This is where I started 👍
4x8 sounds a beautiful layout to start with and I think you’ll have plenty of fun my friend
Your always welcome to knock on my RUclips door if you need some pointers
All the best buddy
Garry
thanks gary thats been a great help.i find watching someone demonstrate somethink so much easier to follow than reading from an instuction book all the best sam
Brilliant, thanks for posting. All this is new to me and have been struggling a little.
Hi Malcolm - don't worry we all struggle at first with DCC lol
Glad this was of some use.
All the best Garry
Thanks for video, given me the confidence to try one of my locos changing speed. If I cock it up can always put it back to default!
Richard This is the beauty of DCC it’s designed to be easy across the board for all ages.
To be honest I don’t set all the other CV settings as these work well as default but as I’ve shown changing a few simple settings can make a big difference.
Let me know how you got on 👍
Cheers and all the best Garry
Thanks for such an easy to follow Video, Brilliant!!!
Your very welcome 👍
Many thanks..
Excellent film. For a DCC program track do you just wire it to a 12 volt supply? Also does it damage locos if you program them on the layout?
Hi buddy
No don’t wire 12v 😮
Any compatible dcc system is 18v - only wire the dcc system to run your layout.
This will have two outlets for track power
1= main track (the layout)
2= is the programming track these must be kept separate
You can program any loco on either track but program track should be priority
If you have more than one loco on main track - then it can potentially complicate other decoders.
Hope this helps
Garry
Thank you, that is the best video on explaining cv values and changing them that I have seen on RUclips. Although your control system is different to mine (I have a EZ Command Dynamis with Pro box) I'm sure with what you've explained it will help me to understand how to change CV values a bit more easier. I find the instruction book and the RUclips channel from Dynamis very poor. You have helped me understand a bit more what it is all about, Thank You. .....Graham
Thanks Graham,
Yeah CV setting is standard as compliant to NMRA standards but just entered in a slightly different way on each dcc hand set
But certainly doable on all dcc systems
Thanks again Garry
Good video Garry, it will be a big help to newcomers who maybe want to go DCC but feel unsure because they think it is too complicated, hopefully your video with put their minds as rest.
Regards to you and your family Garry
Michael
Thanks Michael for your supporting comment.
A lot of people do deter from dcc and from looking from other guys comments on this video the message is getting out there on cool dcc is.
Cheers and wishing you all the best
Garry
A good video. I think which ever system you choose to use setting the CV's of the locomotive is a must. It allows you "drive" the loco instead of just "controlling" it. Keith
Totally Keith, thanks for pointing this out, certainly brings the real feel of running trains to a model.
Cheers Garry
Good video. Thank you for sharing. I’m looking at getting the Gaugemaster DCC prodigy Express for my Railway.
Hi buddy
It’s a great system and if you upgrade all of it is still compatible
I have both prodigy systems and I have many ask to buy the express off me but I will undyingly use it on my next layout or as a spare cab with my advanced 2
Easy and very versatile 👍😉
All the best Garry
@@cheekytek If i were to whant to have point moters for a 6ft shunting depot what would be best and inexpencive, to go with the controller?
Thanks for the comment
You can use many different point motors but requires an address module or dcc chip to code it.
Without filling this page with the answer I’ve dug out this same topic on RMweb page that will help 😉👍
www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/80524-point-motors/
Cheers
Thanks for the review, I am thinking of buying a Dapol n gauge starter pack which includes the doc controller you reviewed , it has given me confidence to go and buy the set, thanks again
Peter these systems are in my opinion really easy to use and very diverse with all other prodigy products
As a starter you will hang on to this system I’m sure as loving mine into its 3rd year
I don’t claim to know everything but always here to help
All the best Garry
Excellent video Garry just got my hand set was always wanted to try what you are explaining your lay out looks awesome on my new tv Gary 🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂
Thanks Adam
Appreciated comment and glad the vids look good on tv
I try my best 😉
Take care buddy
Garry
Hi Garry. Just came across your channel as I am looking to buy the Prodigy Express controller. Thanks very much for an extremely helpful video which has given me plenty of the information I was looking for.
I have just changed over from HO to N Gauge and am about to start building a small layout. I have some experience of DCC, but am looking to simplify things with Kato points and switches and just needed a basic controller for the locos.
Decision made👍
Can I please ask where you got your back scene as it looks very realistic?
Just subscribed.
Thanks again.
Keith
Hi Keith
Many Thanks for your comment and for supporting the channel, I must admit I am a huge fan of the Prodigy Controllers and easy to use my biggest love is the diversity on how you can upgrade the system using the old controller or add boosts to a layout - very well thought out
As to my backscene these are all hand painted by myself unfortunately
I have done a video that can be viewed on how too
Thanks again and all the best Garry 👍
cheekytek Cheers Garry, I'll certainly check out your other vids.
Thanks for A very helpful video, feel you explained DCC loco programming clearly, shall have to try it on my locos soon
Gee thanks Glenn
It’s not an easy one to get across as if someone is anti dcc it overwhelms.
I know when I got my system- prototypical running was what I wanted but never understood how, many people don’t realise that we can simply change the easy cv’s without getting technical to achieve this..
Thanks again and hope all works out with the programming
Shout if you get stuck 👍
All the best Garry
Hi Gary, enjoyed your video, as a newbie it was confidence inspiring. Are the instruction manuals of these gaugemaster controllers pretty clear? Can you explain how another controller is actually plugged in and used when you want to run trains with someone else? I'd also really like to know how the controller knew it was your test track? I presume that your main track and your test track are wired in separately somehow and somehow you've allocated them names etc?
Hi Alex
Many thanks for your comment.
For all dcc controller systems and this is generic each cab just plugs into the main controller unit - a splitter to extend more cabs cab be added to the main unit for multiple use - these just plug in and both cabs will work immediately
Refer to gaugemaster prodigy advanced 2 manual this will guide you..
For programming you do need a separate track
Known as (programming track)
Your Main Track will be the layout itself
When programming select the program button on the controller it will toggle between main track and programming track.. 👍
Cheers Garry
Just what I needed to learn I have an intercity 225 and only just got this controller and messed up the cvs and train won’t run so I’m gonna give what you did a go and see how I get on
Many Thanks John
FYI
if you require a copy of my CV guides I have now added them to my web site cheekytek.com under DCC Guidence
Hope this helps.. Cheers Garry
Good video. Do you of a controller that controls up to 20 locos, units etc please?
Hi buddy
Most dcc controllers hold about 20 trains including Prodigy- as a rule so you can scroll through, not sure of others but gaugemaster will only store the first or last five once switched off but can be added as running up engines again.
Z21 will hold up to 99 I believe and they sit on the display panel until activated this being a WiFi unit giving phone controller as a cab..
Maybe dive in to some research on dcc controllers and what you want from a system
Hope this helps slightly
All the best Garry
@@cheekytek Thanks Garry I have an EZ command centre which is good but it only holds up to 10. I will investigate as per your recomendation to do so.
I have the Advanced 2, a good price, Gary. My ECoS developed a short in the circuit board and the cost to replace it was cheaper to buy7 a new one (£600). I liked the guide, Gary.
No problem yeah I certainly like the Prodigy A2 nice easy system 👍
Cheers Gary, I would not mind a copy. Nige@@cheekytek
Hi Nigel
If you go to my website cheekytek.com
I have now added these sheets on a page called 'DCC Guidence' where you can copy paste or download a powerpoint copy..
hope this helps..
Cheers Garry
Hi Garry Great video Ive taken your recommendation and brought the Prodigy express from Amazon it was on offer for £108 must say i love the feel of the prodigy hand controller compered to my old Hornby select and looks a lot easier to use. cheers for doing this video Im going to have fun learning how to use it now lol ... Pete
Peter thanks for your comment and apologies for delayed response, things very busy at the moment due to working with channel 5 tv competition,
Yeah it’s been absolutely fab for me hence my video, I only promote what o feel would benefit others.
What a fab price on amazon 👍 love how much u saved.. I added the advance 2 controller to mine as for extra running again that was a steal from amazon £50 cheaper..
Have fun and if you need any support just drop me a lines
All the best Garry
Thanks Gary i appreciate that yes Amazon have had some great deals on Gaugemaster bits i have been thinking about getting the extension plate but I'm thinking they must be a cheaper alternative as they are only internet leads
Make sure u get the gaugemaster one dcc 71 as these are configured differently than standard internet sockets
www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=DCC77&style=&strType=&Mcode=Gaugemaster+DCC77
It’s £10 but your spend more from eBay if not correct..
This is what I used. 👍
Thanks again Gary I will get the gaugemaster one and forgot to say good luck with the channel 5 program mate sounds very interesting ... All the best ... Pete
Hi Gary, a quick question. After programming cv for slower deceleration, if the loco is running in to a station but looks like it will over run the end of the platform, is there a function to simulate extra braking being applied so that it can stop in the right place?
Hi Stephane
Personally I press the minus button to slowly reduce speed to a stop at my point on the station- give that a try
😉👍
Cheers!
Great vid....Been wanting to up grade my Hornby select for ages but couldn’t decide which controller to buy,advanced or express.l now think the express will be a massive upgrade over the Hornby.Thanks for making my mind up.Roger Roger
Many thanks roger, many say the same to your comment, certainly a great starter system and I believe it’s cheaper on amazon at the moment 👍
Cheers Garry
Thanks for all your info on this system phil
Thanks Phil 👍
You have made, for me , the programming of locos through this system so uncomplicated, I have the mid range version , I did have the Hornby elite but found it so complicated and unreliable thanks again keep them coming , great layout as well with all the extra little features phil
Hi, I have same controller and was wondering on the back of the control box it has wires for main track and wires for program track, can you have both wired up at same time. As long and like you i have a program track separate to the main track, Thanks
Hi Ken
Yes 👍 as long as the main track and program track are separate then this is completely okay....
ie..from green plug on control unit -
*Main feed wired to layout 👍
*Programme feed wired to separate track off layout for programming only. 👍
Because they are separate wiring they wont interfere
This is done so that the hand set can program a train - and then be entered on the hand set to run it on the layout without re-wiring or changing anything-
If you feel unsure refer to the user guide which can be found on the Gaugemaster web site under the prodigy product.
Hope this helps
If any further concerns I’m happy to support.
Garry 👍
Hi.would you happen to now what the SHORT codes mean,as i am having problems using me prodigy express controller and trying to power my layout
Dcc, i pluged the power pack to the mains and put a multi-meter prob into the middle hole and the black on the outside reading of the jack plug 12.8v place the red prob to pin 3 of the green plug and the black to pin 4 reading 0.08 is that right, as i am not sure would be greatfull for you feed back thank you Brian
Hi Brian - ok my suggestion is to un-plug what you have and re-connect as the instructions/ these can be found on the Gaugemaster website in the advertised product / instructions, ✅ the green socket with 4 wire connecters (1234) from the power supply should be 🅰️ 1,2, is the main feed to the main track layout ( make sure that if red is left & blue is right on track make sure the whole layout follows your preference. 🅱️ 3,4, is the program track which must be kept separate from 1,2, feeds. - 🛑 As this is DCC you may find false reading on a test meter because the voltage is pulsing differently than DC. But start as mentioned and refer to instructions - this should be all ok ( hope this helps ) Garry
Hi Gary.thank you for your reply(1) removed all the dropper wires and started again,at the moment things are looking good (2) the voltage problem i thing was down to me as i had the meter set to ac NOT dc.....thats how i was only getting 0.08v as it was from a power broad, 240v So hopfuly things are all ok and again thank you for getting back cheers Brian.
Your welcome Brian, just glad all is running - all the best buddy
Hi again Gary. Thanks again for the reply. Just to rewind a little, I’m in the research phase of building my own medium sized DCC layout, as far as train control goes. But I thought conventional dc operated point switching might be simpler, cheaper and easier (and ultimately give similar results to DCC controlled point switching) so will probably go down this route. Apart from your video on installing points at a later date than your main layout construction and wiring, are there any other videos you would direct me to? Either by yourself or Brian Lambert? I find it’s quite tricky to find the precise summarised info for DCC loco control but DC point switching, especially on topics like electro frog automatic polarity switching etc etc Thanks again, your layout is awesome!
Hi Alex I run my points from a CDU discharge unit separate from DCC as seen in these follow on videos
May be of inspiration
ruclips.net/video/ZjLGLblG350/видео.html
Cheers
good to see you back gary ! !
Hi bud, it’s taken a bit-but swinging back into it all,
this TV filming for channel 5 is absorbing my play time 😂
👍
oh i bet ! hope that's going good mate !
Can you use a sound card with that system?
Hi Trevor sorry for the late reply
Sound decoders yeap as the decoder will be programmed with DCC - all DCC systems are compatible so if you adding something that is a DCC product then all will work-
If any concerns consult the manufacturer - prodigy is a Gaugemaster product - they will be too glad to clarify in detail over the phone....
Hope this helps in some way-
Garry
@@cheekytek Many thanks.
Hello - love the video but I'm a bit confused, do all these prodigy controllers have the blue screen? because I've seen some on you tube that are silver/black lcd
Hi Paul
I think the early versions didn’t have the backlight display - which all new prodigy systems now have when connected -
There are battery walk around wifi handsets, so this may have just a normal view to save battery.( but I have never used them )
it will say on the Gaugemaster web site under product information..
Cheers Garry
Thanks just set it up runs lovely merry Christmas
😉👍 fantastic - it certainly makes a difference
Have a great one 🎄
Garry
Thanks Gary , I now know what I was doing wrong , good information .
Your very welcome-
All the best Garry 😉👍
Hi Gary can you do a video on how to run BACK TO BACK as i MIDLAND PULLMAN LOCO`S and what setting i need to get this thanks again ....brian
Hi Brian
Many Thanks for the post, as you’ve mentioned it is one of the most tricky ones to master
Certainly will do this for you,
At currently I’m also doing consists too so I’ll compile in one.
Maybe a couple weeks before it’s out as I’m doing exhibitions and travelling in and out Europe at current.
Thanks but I’ll put that next on the list 👍😉
All the best Garry
@@cheekytek thank you very much.....Brian
Thank you for sharing this great vid
Many Thanks my friend 😉👍
i,m new to this but can i damage my loco,s changing cv,s, i,m scared as well
No you won't damage the loco as its the decoder chip data you are changing so this only changes the performance - THE CV values are designed to be changed by the operator -
I play by changing CV settings as it help the running to get a prototypical feel for the loco..
Remember all Decoders have a backdoor RESET code to get you back to factory state. check your decoder values on pack - normally CV8 DATA 8 enter. 👍
I have some sheets on my website that may help
www.cheekytek.com/dcc-advice
start stopping sheets may help you get a feel
Try changing CV 2 with is Volts starting - refer to manual default
then
-increase the CV3 values to slowly start
-increase the CV4 values to slow stopping
Personally I dont change CV29 which is the heart of many operations as that is a minefield unless you get to grips of it all..
Hope this helps
All the best Garry
@@cheekytek Gary your awesome. thanks for the reply i was worried if i made a mistake with the voltage it my blow up lol i,ll a have look at your sheets. thanks so much for your help merry Christmas
Gary, it is a bit cheeky, could I have a copy of your idiots guide which was on the video?
Hi Nigel
Soz for late reply - had a crazy week
Yeah I’ll probably add a link on my website to share - no probs
I let you know here with the link when I’ve got it live 😉👍
Cheers
Please how can I get this to bring up all the sounds on a Hornby DCC loco?
Provided the loco has a sound decoder with speaker - like all DCC systems just use the F keys (function)
Start with F1 and so on for higher values like F10 you need to press Shift first them F1 = F10 and do on..
Hope this helps 👍
Garry
That’s all there is to it
Hi again Can you demo on CV 63.....l’ave no success on my latest purchase a WC 37. It is fitted with Lego sound which is soft compared with my other loco’s, thanks Roger
Make sure you program on test track as the prodigy handset only reads and writes to test track
Main track you can write but not read,
I only have one sound loco as sound is new to me but I’ll have a look to see what I can discover on cv 63 volume
I’ll respond in a few days 👍
Great and helpful.
Thanks very much Gary.
your very welcome hope this helps..
I Gary I wonder if can help me where is the start on prodigi advance button a good vid but I did not see where you pressed to start the loco I'm desperate your truly Victor isbell.
Hi Corey
When the system is on and you see a display on the handset press Loco - enter your decoder number for that train - press blue enter to speed up and Delete to decrease speed
Thats all
Hope this helps all the best Garry
Sending back my Gaugemaster prodigi advance .
@@coreyisbell9589
ooh that not good - is your handset not working properly ? - sorry to hear this..
So i can change the speed steps on the express unit to make the loco have a smooth gradual speed acceleration?
Hi buddy- Yeap totally
If you watch the video from 12:00 onwards and follow my settings or even half the values to suit you - your see this on your loco..
As a default I use I tend to do a loco as this then adjust up or down with these values on cv 3 & 4
Cv 1 - loco address
Cv 2 - start volt = 6
Cv 3 - accel = 30
Cv 4 - decel = 40
Cv5 - blank enter
CV. - blank enter
Enter to finish
Hope this helps buddy
Cheers
@@cheekytek hello, will i be able to control a horby 08 tts sound loco with the gauge master prodigy express package?
Absolutely ..... yes 👍
@@cheekytek will i also be able to add a couple locos in the future with or without sound?
DCC systems will run any loco weather sound fitted or just standard loco
As long as each train has a decoder and a different address to identify it
There are a lot of great books on DCC and how it works that will bring you the best out of your system.
Think the Internet would be the best place to find something like that..
Cheers 👍
Tried what u suggested about cv and stuff love how my n gauge hst move offs now my layout is 2ft by 7ft great video about seep motor fancy giving them a try to Gary 🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂
Them tweaks to low value CV’s makes all the difference and brings DCC into its right
TBH point on OO was easy to add and certainly a game changer excuse the pun 😉
Cheers buddy 👍
Hi Gary .....I’m scared .....my learning begins .....😱..........cheers from fred
It’s easy really and more fun.
I Just sent u a text 👍
Gaz
Gary could I have a hard copy of the guide, as my eyes are not very good. My guide dog has better sight than me, sorry to be a pest but, it would help me a lot.
Nigel I added this detail on your comments to this video last week so have a scroll down and read my last feedback 👍
Also available on the video description to go to my web site to download 😉
great now i know thank you
I am in brixham with my other half going to the Devon railway got a two car dmu for a wee holiday pressy for myself 🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂
Nice one Adam 😉
If you found Brian Lambert's site/book useful, then I can recommend the Model Railway Forum www.modelrailwayforum.co.uk/ which he runs. Very helpful and knowledgeable bunch on there.
That’s how I found his site 😉
👍
Cheers
U wont convince me u knw 😏
😂
Trust me it’s real easy. 👍