Why Kansas Hates Missouri | State Rivalries
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2018
- Here is why Kansans and Missourians have a long history of hating each other. This is the first episode of a new series planned with The Cynical Historian examining different state rivalries. This episode's companion piece, why New Mexico hates Texas, can found on his channel here: • Why New Mexico Hates T...
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So why does Kansas hate Missouri?
It all started with one of the worst laws in American history- The Kansas-Nebraska Act. By the 1850s, many Americans were illegally moving to what would become Kansas. Most of them came for that sweet, cheap, farmland, ignoring the earlier promises to give much of the area to Native Americans who had previously been pushed out of their homes back east. After talks picked up about building a transcontinental railroad through the area, Congress went to work trying to come up with a law to make Kansas a territory and give it the infrastructure it needed to allow settlement. It wasn’t easy. You see, there was the slavery issue. Americans were divided-go figure- about the expansion of slavery out west. According to the Missouri Compromise, passed back in 1820, any new territory created north of the 36°30’ parallel and west of Missouri couldn’t have slavery. So Missouri would be the last slave state north of 36-30. However, pro-slavery folks felt if Kansas was a territory it should also have slavery since they weren’t getting slavery in the desert southwest.
Pro-slavery and anti-slavery members of Congress passionately debated the issue. Finally, in 1854, Illinois Senator Stephen Douglas came up with another compromise, that crappy law I brought up earlier- The Kansas-Nebraska Act. Congress barely passed it, and President Franklin Pierce signed it into law on May 30, 1854. It created the territories of Kansas and Nebraska. It got rid of that 36-30 line of the Missouri Compromise, and it established popular sovereignty in both territories to solve the slavery issue. In other words, it allowed the settlers to decide whether or not to have slavery in both territories. I know, what could go wrong, right?
Well a lot went wrong in Kansas. Remember, Missouri was a slave state. Within days of the passage of the Kansas-Nebraska Act, hundreds of pro-slavery Missourians crossed the border into Kansas territory claiming land. They organized and plotted ways to politically influence the region. 11 days after the Act passed, Missourians put together a meeting at Salt Creek Valley, just west of Fort Leavenworth in Kansas, creating the Squatter’s Claim Association, and calling for people to sacrifice their lives by settling in Kansas to ensure it became a slave state.
Not to be outdone, the Massachusetts Emigrant Aid Company organized in uh, yeah, Massachusetts, an abolitionist hotbed, to help settlers move to Kansas to make sure it became a free state. It sent its first 29 settlers on July 29th, 1854.
Who here is watching in 1854?
I am Mr.Beast!
I will never yield.
Meh, that's ok :D
Nope I'm watching this in 1100BC
Watching in 1778
Born in Kansas, grew up in Crawford county till I was 16, then my family moved over the border to Jasper county Missouri where I graduated from High School, and went to College. Having had to take both Kansas History and Missouri History classes was rather eye opening to say the least! One of my friends who is Scottish kept saying that I was from "the south" so i corrected him by saying Im from Kansas. "Eh, whats the difference?" He said. I replied "Ok, What part of ENGLAND are you from?" The look on his face was priceless, and before he could say anything I said "That right there, that is the difference."
You must have a unique perspective to the Border War.
jtilton5 Oh ma god ! That was priceless! I grew up in Kansas and went to KU undergrad. I always felt such pride in the Bleeding Kansas Era. My mother grew up in KCMO, but married dad and we all were Kansas natives. Something about walking into the statehouse in Topeka and seeing the Curry “Bleeding Kansas “ mural pulls at the old heartstrings. Kansas is a good state. It’s just going through some tough times.
You meant to say what part of the United Kingdom are you from. England is England. the United Kingdom is the Four Countries. being he was Scottish. he was never from a part of England. that probably explains the look on his face. people always give a funny look when faced with ignorance.
@@DoubleD72 He did it on purpose.
@@elicrowleyycontreras1135 um no he didn't. There is literally no reason to say that on purpose. There is no joke around it. He just didn't know. Simple as that.
This kind of rivalry only really still applies to Western Missouri for some reason. Growing up in a bordertown, there was always a huge disdain for Kansans. Kids would tell Kansans to "go back across the river" as an insult when fighting, and everyone would swear Kansans are horrible drivers. The best part was the divisions in sports teams, as Jayhawk fans and Mizzou fans are always at each others throats, often times being points of contention in families, quite amusingly so. But ever since moving to and visiting around Eastern Missouri, it just seems like no one even cares about Kansas, they're too preoccupied with Illinois for some reason.
Thank you for sharing that perspective
I'm from SE Missouri and this rivalry is well known during civil war alot of our area residents were burnt out and hunted down by union troops. Alot of people would run to the union soldiers and make up stories about their neighbors to get them killed or run off just so the could get their land. Read about local guy Sam hildebrand he did not choose a side until he was forced too by union sympathizers and former rivals using the law to take all he owned. Alot were called dutch back then which is an old reference for germans. The german immigrants only liked germans so they ran everyone else off. Claiming people owed them money so they could seize their land. Atrocities happened on both sides were whole families were killed or burnt out of their homes and hunted like animals. Those families remember still the things that were done past on y generation after generation. The movie outlaw Josey wells was about the same thing. The Jayhawkers were called Red Legs because of the pants they wore and were despised by most Missourians for being invaders. Jayhawkers hated Missourians because of the raids they commited into Kansas. Bushwackers were called that because they were mostly outdoorsman that lived off the land and would raid or attack from hiding thus the name Bushwackers.
This is rediculous crap. They’re all American anyway but they act like it’s two historically opposed countries like England and France LOL!
@@newtfigton8795 America is huge dude. Kansas and Missouri are each the size of a small country. The civil war is the reason for the rivalry. Which then created a rivalry in sports teams, and a rivalry between Kansas, City, Kansas and Kansas, City, Missouri. Yes I know it's weird that Missouri has a City called Kansas City, but it was named that after the Territory of Kansas. Which was named after the Kansa tribe. It's just a huge thing with a whole lot of bad history leading up to it.
@@nicholas104 Kansas City (KCMO) was named after the Kansa tribe. The state of Kansas came into existence after Kansas City (KCMO) was established.
Thanks for your great videos and history, Mr Beat!
:D Thanks for words of encouragement
"Kansas City is mine!", said Missouri and Kansas.
And Kansas City won. oh snap.
To be fair, Kansas just stole their name from Kansas City anyways lol.
Am I the only one who doesnt differentiate between KCK and KCMO. KC is just one big metro arw that spans two states. Who cares about the border? 435 surely doesn't!
No no it’s Kansas City, Missouri. KCK is nearly a suburb
You know a state is complete shit and full of losers when they try to claim a city in another state.
This was waaaay more intense than I expected. I thought this was gonna be about a silly conflict, like the one between Ohio and Michigan over a port, but nooooooo... let's bring in MASSACRES!
I think I should do that one.
Your barely stright lol
Hey ur profile pic is the same as my political compass
Ya, this one is based in a real shooting war.. Ohio and Michigan were just a little more civil...sorta
That's Bleeding Kansas for you
As a kid that grew up in Kansas, I distinctly remember my GRADE school teachers teaching the evils of Missouri people during civil war. Bushwhackers verse Jayhawk stuff
Yeah, I grew up in KC, MO, and got the same shit about Kansans.
Bushwhackers are sore to this day about the whooping we gave them
Well unless you think it's okay for people to come over from Missouri and try to kill a bunch of folks in the name of slavery... Then yeah. Missouri has problems.
“There’s two kinds of suns in Kansas, sunflowers and sons of bitches”
Damn straight! dont forget it!!!
The Outlaw Jose Wale’s😂🤣
Go back to working on your meth lab
Perfect quote
I think I've got this one in a nutshell:
*Kansas City, Missouri*
so why not, missouri kansas? you should give me the mayor job.
If us Missourians had our way, all of Kansas City would be in Missouri, not just around half.
KC mo is better
Kansas is named after kcmo
@@daledowse5727 more like 3 quarters of the city are in Missouri
Now I'm wondering if there are any middle/high school sports teams in the area called the Jayhawkers and the Bushwhackers.
Not that I am aware of, but please someone correct me if I'm wrong. :D
Well, the U of Kansas' mascot is the Jayhawk
University of Kansas' mascot is a Jayhawk.
there is the jayhawks
Mound City, Kansas are the Jayhawkers. I grew up in Pleasanton, KS just a few miles east of Mound City. Our town is named after General Alred Pleasonton who defeated Gen Price of Missouri at the Battle of Mine Creek, just a few miles from the farm I grew up on.
Now I understand that part in the Simpsons where Marge points out that Grampa's flag only had 49 stars and he replies, "I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" lmao
"I could live for the black man. John Brown could die for him."-Frederick Douglass.
John Brown deserves the admiration that Abraham Lincoln unjustly receives.
@@rogerfreeman6787 agreed.
and now everyone is dying from the bIack man
This was far heavier than I expected..
And probably more violent?
Mr. Beat Far more violent lol I didn't even realize how influential Kansas was in the Civil War. Really thought this would be about how much better the economy of the KCMO side is. I appreciate the history lesson as always though!!
Austin Buhnerkemper lol I just was born that way
Same🤣
Too few people understand the sectional crisis, which Kansas was the violent outpouring of. It's actually kind of a plague on current political discourse how often this is minimized
Yeah, today is nothing compared to the political divide in the country during the 1850s/60s.
I agree about UNEDUCATED "political discourse" (if such a thing isn't a contradiction in terms), but those who read, or are otherwise serious, tend to know about the Missouri Compromise and other foreplay of the Civil War. Quick and dirty DOESN'T touch on it, as you rightly (and sadly) point out. But our current (and current-powered) media operate in sound-bite mode, recaps with no caps. If you're not selective among, and critical of your sources, you're not a serious person but an all-in believer.
@@iammrbeat I’d point out that the law enforcement apparatus that we now have may be a big factor in how political divides are expressed
While I cannot condone every single one of Brown's actions, I take no issue with violent insurrection against slavery.
Yeah that's fair, but then you gotta go into sides deadass killing and raping people that were just there, farming or working or whatever they needed to do, and didn't want to be a part of it. I know you said you don't condone it, but violence begets violence, and when violence breaks out innocent lives are shattered or taken, even if done in the name of other innocent lives.
@@JKIII-lj8us Violance helped stop slavery. If they did it peacefully it will take a long time to finally abolish slavery. I don't agree with Violance for everything but some Violance can help.
@@redditstop1653 there are also VERY few democracies that got installed without a violent uprising. sometimes people have to fight for their rights or the rights of others
Do you wan't a cookie for disagreeing with slavery, just kidding, have a good evening
and now we have to lock our doors at night..
If I was a history teacher, I would use this video. Well done, sir!
Thanks so much :D
Missouri sucks. I currently live in Springfield, Mo (Greene County). I grew up in Ozark, Mo (Christian County). Don't EVER move here. It's miserably cold in the winter and ridiculously hot and humid in the summer. Kansas isn't any better though! Don't move to the midwest PERIOD people! Trying to save you from hell on earth.
@@Sublimer19 Excellent advice.
Agreed. I find it interesting that Midwestern states to this day, teach their states history and states constitutions where as, many East coast states, have not in decades if not a century, have not taught state histories or state constitutions. I can tell you in Connecticut, history is no longer taught in public schools except for a 1 year requirement in high school. That 1 year is only an overview of US history events starting from the arrival of European occupants. Pathetic. No surprise, everything in CT is pathetic.
@@Sublimer19 that's why missouri sounds like misery
Real answer: They hate our Cardinals and how the bigger Kansas City is in Missouri.
And St Louis hates Chicago because of the Cubs and we reversed a river to send our poop your way.
EmperorTigerstar who ACTUALLY likes the Cardinals? ;)
We also hate how your pronounce the Kansas town of Arkansas
And we're jealous of your Ozarks.
EmperorTigerstar I'm from Kansas and this weekend I'm going to KCMO to shart on Cardinals fans. Hide yo kids, hide yo wife!
The real reason:
Kansas is mad at Missouri for causing so much MISSOURI for the other states.
YAAS
this comment just gave me a feeling of MISSUORI
@@Funnynick Sorry, So I'm going to give you a MINNESOTA to make you feel better
thanks now i feel better CONNECTICUT between us :)
@@Funnynick did you see hotel PENNSLYVANIA 3?
I am a Texan and I can honestly say that southern Missouri has some of the most down to earth friendly people that I have ever met in my life, and many of them have become my true friends.
Hell yeah man, I live and southern Missouri! Great people down here. I can say the same about Texans, though my feelings are regional some parts are good and some parts are jerks.
You should see the ones in Arkansas. The father,son,brother and uncle are often times the same person
@@gambitgodsey5259 OUCH!!!!
I’m a Texan by birth, and a Kansan by rearing, and by chance I’m in southern Missouri for work frequently. I think they are on the same level as the confederates they venerate.
I went to school at Kansas State and in my opinion the worst most annoying fans were Missouri. "When they played in the Big 12". But now I am old enough to know that there are good people wherever you go, my counselor is from Missouri. And just because you are from Texas, I won't assume that you think everything is bigger and better in Texas. A lot of state stereotypes going on
Hi from Kansas City! The "city of kansas" was actually founded in Missouri in 1853 and was named after the Kansas river, which feeds the Missouri river in modern-day Kansas City. Both the city and the state are named after the river, which itself is named named for the Kanza (or Kaw) people who inhabited the region.
Interesting! Never really thought about why Kansas City was named "Kansas City" even though it is in Missouri.
@ason leftridge No idiot. Kansas City MO was named after the "Kansa" Indian tribe. WHY would KC name itself after a river when the GREATER MISSOURI River was it's landing and founding river? How stupid are you? Do they actually teach that stupidity in kansass?
@@shakazulu365 No, it was named for the river, which was named for the Kanza tribe. As to why it's not named Missouri City. Can't really prove why something didn't happen, but the fact that the city is in the state of Missouri may have played a factor.
kchistory.org/faq/why-there-kansas-city-both-kansas-and-missouri#:~:text=City%20founders%20derived%20the%20name,it%20Kansas%20City%20in%201889.
@@jasonl6130 You're crazy. Why would a city in Missouri that isn't even ON the Kansas River name itself after a river that it doesn't even border? You obviously know NOTHING about how KCMO started. It started at the foot of Main St Nowhere near the kansass river. Read the early history of KC and you will realize it has several names BEFORE it became the City of Kansas which proves emphatically that KCMO took the name Kansas City after the Kansa Tribe. You kansassans are o silly.
@@jasonl6130 the kansas river is 2 miles from where Kansas City was founded. Kansas City was FOUNDED on the Missouri river at the foot of Main Street AND Grand Ave, The kansas river is 2 miles west of that location. So you are dead wrong. Kansas City was named after the after the Kansa tribe. It was founded as a trading post on the Missouri River., There is no evidence the name had anything to do with the insignificant kansas river 2 miles to the west.
I love your videos, Mr. Beat! Keep it up! :)
Thanks so much. That means a lot! :D
Gonna be saving this one because I know it will come in handy.
A small anecdote: I remember going to the very last Border War football game that was held at Arrowhead Stadium before Mizzou went to the SEC. My dad took my brother and I to go see it and, being Mizzou fans, we tailgated on the Mizzou side of the parking lot. (They had essentially split the parking lot in half between the KU and MU fans.)
To just rub salt in the wound, it was not an uncommon sight to see people flying jet black flags with a "Q" emblazoned on them on the Missouri side, a reference to Quantrill's Raid.
How in the hell are you from Kansas but can't pronounce 'Osawatamie' or 'Marias des Cynges' !?!
I grew up in Kansas and went to KU undergrad. I remember pins we used to wear at football games: ATAP (All Tigers are Pussies). Of course KCMO was and still is more cosmopolitan. There is nothing prettier than the Plaza at Christmas-the first shopping center in America.
cause He's from Wichita. I dont really know but thats where im from and he sounds just like the news anchors at kake or kwch. kansas news anchors have a very unique dialect of newsspeak.
Wow, great examination of an elaborate, frenetic history. Superb job, Mr. Beat!
Great video!!!! I am from Northeast OHIO and have lived in BOTH Kansas & Missouri while stationed in each state when I was in the US Army. Gained a fascination of the Kansas/Missouri Border War while stationed at Fort Leonard Wood, MO, from 1988-1992. Explored Missouri visiting most of the Civil War sites and gained a better appreciation for that war because all you hear about is the fighting taking place in Virginia, Tennessee, and other locals.
Then was stationed at Fort Riley, KS, from 1993-2001 (still live in Kansas) and explored the Kansas side of the Border War. When in college, took a course on the American Civil War hoping to learn more about the fighting in the Trans-Mississippi Theatre, but the instructor insisted on focusing on the Eastern Theatre (usual battles). ALL my class assignments had to do with something about the little unknown battles of Kansas/Missouri/New Mexico - bastard tried to fail me because I would not focus on the Eastern Theatre. After some arguing, finally convinced that I was trying to "enlighten" the other students that the war was far more brutal/bloody/far reaching in this nation than just the "usual" sites.
Anyway, so much history of the pre-Civil War era, the Civil War era, and post Civil War era that is rarely (if ever) mentioned in history books or documentaries. To this day I LOVE both Kansas & Missouri and am still exploring each state as much as possible. Do NOT give a hoot about the Jayhawks, Wildcats, or Tigers (am a LOYAL BUCKEYE till I die - am from OHIO originally). Have adopted the Royals/Chiefs/Cardinals but also LOVE my Indians/Browns/Cavaliers from Cleveland!!!!
I was born in in Wichita Kansas and am currently a history major at Wichita State University. This summer I visited a Civil War Museum in St Louis that had a section on the border war. I actually laughed at first at the extremely obvious pro Missouri bias but the more I read the more upset I got lol. It was interesting to see how the "other side" tells the same stories though and goes to show that history isn't always as cut and dry as what youre taught in school. Great Video I really enjoyed it and have been waiting for something like this ever since I saw a video about why Michigan and Ohio hate each other awhile back.
I just started following you recently and I really appreciate what you put out there thank you
My thoughts on why Missouri hates Kansas:
They can’t drive...
Drax the Warlock Titan I swear to god they can’t 😂. Every time I notice a bad driver I look at the license plate and it’s a Kansas tag
As a Matter of fact, the Kansas drivers are slow, while the damn missourians are driving like no tomorrow
Both missourians and kansans effectively drive like total shit!!! Literally NO difference in how shitty the drivers from BOTH states are!!!
Ian Graham either Johnson county or Wyandot county every time
As a citizen of Johnson County I was offended at first. But I've lived here my whole life and I know that drivers here are fucking terrible
2:45 how dare those Missourians come in and squat on the land we squatted on.
Also fuck off person from Missouri
@@bradleylewis3438 fuck you person from my home state
Edit: assuming that you are a kansan
@@jacobrudd6318 I am in fact a kansan
@@bradleylewis3438 well then go fuck yourself
I was born and raised in Western Missouri, and I agree that Missourians and Kansans don't like each other. When I was a teenager, I and some of my friends sometimes would go across the border to Kansas to buy beer because in Kansas it was legal for 18 year olds to buy beer. When the Kansans would check our ids and find out we were Missourians they suddenly became very rude and unfriendly
But they sold you the beer.
@@JTA1961 , actually they didn't, We had to go to another place.
it was 3-2 beer what was the point?
@@expfighter5112 We were legal to buy beer in Kansas
@@4321grp i know that
This is probably the best succinct summary of Bleeding Kansas that I’ve ever seen. Great work!
Thank you Dan!
I live in Harrisonville, MO and the Burnt District Monument shown is in this town. Every year we have a “Burnt District Festival”. The local library has a lot of information about what happened during those times!! Cool video!! Thanks for sharing!!
Great video, I learned a lot of things I didn't know.
Awesome. And thank you so much. :D
You gotta do "Why New York and New Jersey hate each other" at some point.
Right on. Thanks for the suggestion.
As a new yorker I don't get the hate
@@USSAnimeNCC- it's because New Jersey is a discount New York hellscape.
NY state trumps NJ
I dunno.
Long Island?
Lady Liberty?
Good job on this video, Mr. Beat. It covers all important bases of the issue, and it's short! I've studied the MO/KS Civil War for a long time. I will use I my classes.
That's awesome. Thanks so much!
Love this video. I think you take it a little too fast though but the content is great. I just got through reading
a book called "Quantrill in Missouri" and i learned so much about this rivalry. I'm surprised these two states
get along at all. Too much blood between them.
I've only lived in Kansas for the last 5years, so this video was definitely very informative. Being in Lawrence it was very cool to learn about where Mass St got it's name.
Tyler, I didn't know either!
Lawrence was named after Lawrence, Mass
Best town in the state imo!! Love Lawrence ks!!!
Funny theres a Lawrence missouri except ours is better😂😂
@@gambitgodsey5259 funny how missourians are still tryna start wars in every kansan’s comment section
They should make a movie about this
Mos def
They have. It’s called ‘The Jayhawkers’. Yes, I grew up in Kansas, and this is a real touchy issue. We really do hate Missouri. We consider Kansas to be heroic in the Bleeding Kansas era. Jeff Chandler has the leading role in the movie.
Alessio Leporati there is a wonderful movie, like dsindc said, but there is a book as well called “The Jayhawker”, and it is one of the greatest stories I’ve ever read
There is it's called ride with the devil
Wasn’t The Outlaw Josey Wales that movie?
Yo... I grew up in a small town of under 400 people that is like 15 minutes away from Osceola. I had no idea that this happened, and no one ever mentioned it even though generations have grown up there. I've always lived in MO, even though I go to school at Creighton in NE now, and had some knowledge of the Bushwhackers and Jayhawkers, but never specifics. Wow. That's incredible. I'm going to have to go and see if there's anything in the town that has something about the sacking of Osceola. If you want I could try to get some video or something of talking to people that live around there to see if it's as little known as I think, or if I'm just an idiot. Great vid man like always keep it up.
Cant wait for Florida vs Georgia lol
I know right people really don’t know how these to states were back then and how Georgia kicked Florida ‘s ass during the war between the British from Georgia and the Spaniards from Florida, Florida was under Spanish control. This also reminds me of the Ohio vs Michigan war or you could even consider the Texas vs Mexico war because how Mexico wanted Texas to be apart of Mexico
Florida and Georgia mainly hate each other because of the Florida- Georgia College football rivalry.
@@masonpyle5929 Do they like the band, though?
Is Missouri considered , part of the South?
Has anyone mentioned that this epic story is the source material for my favorite western and Clint Eastwood movie, The Outlaw Josie Wales? Great history video Mr. Beat. Catch the movie. It's a great piece of historical fiction with some fabulous writing great characters and actors. The character development arcs are classic along with some good action scenes.
Clint Eastwood bought the rights to a book called "Gone to Texas", and wrote the script from it for the movie. Also produced the movie as well as starring in it.
where was voter Id when you need it.
ha!
I moved to Missouri from southern Georgia in the late 90s .I love Missouri it's everything Georgia use to be !
lobo718 .... undereducated, bigoted "good ol boys" that aren't doing much to better themselves much less the country as a whole...?...
Hahahaha, I don't care if anyone else laughed, I thought it was funny as hell!
@@denaturner8871 Lumping all Missourians together as undereducated people who don't try to better themselves seems like something a bigot would say...
Corn powa lmao.... a couple things:
1) my entire coment was joke about "old" Georgia....
2) I live in Missouri... and I have lived here for over 20 years now...
Hahahahaha.... good times!
I don’t understand what any of y’all just said either I’m slow or y’all of here talkin In some code lmao
Yup it is a great state, lived here all my life and wouldn't have it any other way. You are very free here and unrestricted. Some of the most lax gun laws and loads of cheap land with something for everyone
Really love the channel you got soul my boy.
I have never been to Kansas, but I'm a fan of the band Kansas, so it's nice to know a little more about John Brown since he's on the cover of most of their albums. People say that Kansas is boring and flat but you seem to show that it can be quite pretty. Probably not a coincidence. Oh, and you should do a video on why Oregon hates Washington (they're jealous of us).
Good stuff, thanks!
Yeah I already compared the two states though, so I don't know. Thanks for the kind words, and you should visit Kansas some time. It's not so bad. :D
ThrawnTheater bruh I’ve lived in both states and was born in Seattle. I love Seattle and it’s better than Portland for sure but I think Oregon is a better state overall. This is coming from a guy who still live in Washington. Bend Oregon is one of the best towns ever and the beaches in Oregon are far superior. There also seems to be a lot more rundown places in Washington. That being said I do love both.
Kansas is one of the most beautiful states I've seen. Up there with one of my favourites.
It definitely is very flat and if you aren't in a big city you'll be bored out your mind and its boring driving into the kansas countryside because its just highway and grass and farm animals
Jak so, do you have a thing for vast wheat prairies? Seemingly unending expanses of flat grassland?
My wife is from Lawrence, KS. Now we live in St Louis, MO. She occasionally comments on the differing narratives the states tell about themselves. (I'm from NJ; all the foundational legends i was given were about the Revolutionary War).
Lawrence = best city in Kansas
@@iammrbeat Marysville = Best Kansas Town
Beats Wichita, that's for sure!
@@iammrbeat Too bad they still haven't learned to play football! And though they are a rival, Dodge City is really nice town.
@@denystull355 we're still waiting for MISERY to show up on the hardwood. The ratio on that "rivalry" is at the very least 2:1. Pretty lopsided "rivalry" I'd say.
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Nice video. Been watching your channel for a bit, the history of the US is quite interesting. Greetings from Panama.
Thank you!
Really excellent work , thank you
Thanks!
@@iammrbeat I have watched every single in your president election series. They hooked me. I think kids can learn a lot about about history watching your videos,. They are interesting and entertaining.
Really rather horrifying when we look back at history and see what caused animosities that last today, especially when those animosities are rooted in the desire to own slaves. *shuddering*
It's amazing
Yeah. Sick.
One, this adds nuance to the black-and-white (no pun intended) viewpoint about White People down with slavery vs the large number of White people who willfully put their lives and their family's lives on the line to fight to the death to end the enslavement of *other people* --- who were Black --- not merely for themselves or their families. No govt ordered them to go fight at that point. This came from deep personal convictions.
Two, partly for deep Christian religious convictions about righteous causes vs Christian biblical excuses in the South.
Three, the original Social Justice Warriors in America, if you don't count the Am Rev as "social justice" against King George.
Four, lets say the slavery cause was 60% racist beliefs and 40% the defense of the belief in the right to *Property* ... meaning the right to buy sell and own human beings as valuable property like animals and inanimate objects. And people were willing to fight with extreme bitterness for and against that right. I picked 60/40 as a rough guess on 'beliefs'.
Most people who fought to end slavery didn't actually want to give black people total equality afterwards, y'know? They just wanted to end the institution because they considered it immoral and damaging to the union politically. People like John Brown were painted as radicals for preaching complete equality.
There was a very large and vocal movement to not only end slavery, but to ship blacks back to Africa. That solution manifested itself into the state of Liberia on the West African coast.
The more I learn of Kansas, it reminds me of my beloved Nebraska. Farms, fields and small towns. Beautiful. Long Live Nebraska and Kansas, brothers and sisters of the Heartland!
Yeah us Kansans have no real issues with Nebraska. Just some gentle sibling rivalry 👍
As for Missouri, may it burn the same way they burned Lawrence 😅
Can’t forget Oklahoma as well, they’re also our beothers
@andyreginald6272 Have you ever seen Nebraska Territory in around 1855 (before Dakota territory) ??? It was immense in size!
Out of the 4 states we border, I would choose Colorado, but Nebraska is still better than Missouri lol
I liked this video. Some time, I'd like to head to some of these historic sites and make a video about them!
Good video, have wondered what the deal was with these states for years.
I live in western Mo and pretty good video for being short. True that those counties affected are still economically suffering as more towns where burnt than Osceola and never occupied again. Also when the war was over the people still owed back taxes. I know older folks who say their grandparents would whip them for mention of Kansas.
Thats so cool! Im from MA and i never knew about founders rock, also coincidentally i lived in fulton MO for many years
Heck yeah :D
I have just started learning about Missouri and Nebraska! Thank you for the education.
Wow from St. louis and this was a great video excellent information thanks
The only hate anyone has is for how people drive in JOco. And i don't blame JO I blame all the influx of people from CA, they can't drive in the rain so when we get the 1st snow. Watch out!
Wow I can’t believe that there is this much hatred between two bordering states. I was raised in Missouri and go to college at Missouri State University in Springfield and I can definitely vouch for the fact that most Missourians hate people from Kansas even to this day. They don’t really even have a reason for it other than sports, but after watching this video I believe it is because of older generations passing down stories and tales from this time to keep this hatred fueled and alive to this day. Amazing video!
We just visited kansas last month and we actually loved it. We ended up in Hays kansas. The only thing that was different really was the land. Everyone was nice but apparently people from Kansas can spot a missourian a mile away 😂😂
a seattleite here fascinated about midwestern history , particularly Missouri part . great video, thanks for filming.
Had to subscribe since you collaborate with the Cynical Historian who I began following a few years ago. I've seen a collaboration by The History Guy and Lindybeige also. I love it when you guys do that - recognize and support each other as colleagues. We need all the truth-tellers we can get in these times.
I am a Missourian from the St. Louis area. I've long called Missouri the Northernmost of the Southern states. We may be the most divided state in the Union. Urban and Outstate, Black and White, Eastern and Western - we even have two ways of pronouncing the state's name: "Miz-zoo-REE," and , "Miz-zoo-RUH."
You mentioned Quantrill. I know Jesse and Frank James were associated with him, but I'm not sure it was before the Civil War. Some ugly times.
Good video! I also enjoyed - well, liked - the video on John Brown which I viewed just before this. I also wanted to mention my respect for Bill James, the sabermetrician (Baseball) from Kansas. And yes, I did subscribe. Good work.
I didn't know that's where Mass Street got it's name! Definitely learned a lot about Lawrence and pre-Civil War KS/MO that I didn't know before. Thanks!
Holy crap it's Neil! Where you at these days?
@@iammrbeat Mainly focusing on school at the moment, kinda flying under the radar
Also, Lawrence was named after Lawrence, MA, which is where the 1st group was from.
Actually, named after Amos Lawrence, who bankrolled the city and was a founder of the New England Emmigrant Aid Society
I live in Nevada Missouri I know our town was burned down during that time we got a statue of some old dude where they rebuilt the library after the fires and we have a bushwhackers museum and our annual city carnival or what not is called bushwhacker days
That "old dude" was Finus Moss, and he donated the money for that library 🙄. I remember as a kid in the late 70s he bought a brand new Lincoln car and drove it straight to the sale barn. Bought a calf to put on one of his cows that had lost hers. Had the back seat taken out of the Lincoln and hauled the calf home in it. He was eccentric, but he was an awesome guy tbh.
Omg...I had no idea that such violence went on then between Kansas and Missouri. I lived in Missouri for 30 years. But I grew up in Southern Illinois near Missouri, and never heard of this particular series of conflicts. Thanks so much for posting this.
Thank you for this! My pandemic project became KS history. I'm hooked!
Wonderful!
As someone living in Kansas city, Kansas, and having property in Osceola I thank you. This is the most complete thing I've found on this.
Great Video! Are you going to do more video like this? If so, can you do "Why Illinois hate Wisconsin (Wisconsin hate Illinois)!
I am, and thanks for the suggestion. I have heard that before. :D
I'm from Chicago. I Love Wisconsin
How can anyone hate Wisconsin??
I think it's mostly that Wisconsin hates Illinois. Would you agree?
@@iammrbeat Or Wisconsin hates people (drivers) from Chicago.
Mr. Beat your channel is great.
Thanks!
I was raised in Kansas City, MO. I know "State Line Road" well, and of course I was educated learning MO history. The Battle of Westport, in Kansas City, stopped the South's invasion into Western Missouri; and the battle of Ironton stopped into St. Louis. I went to college (first in 1974, then in 1986) in Southwest MO, at Springfield, MO. Springfield was where the battle of "Wilson's Creek" was fought which began the "Tiger's" invasion of Missouri. THEN, (in 1990) I moved to Lawrence, KS, where I did my graduate work at KU. KU's "battle song" is more of a chant, but it will chill you to the bones the first time you hear it. Just ask Teddy Roosevelt. As a life student and scholar of American history and American culture, I enjoy your content. Thanks for the blast into my past.
Very cool! Thanks for sharing that.
@@iammrbeat I love how you said but they didn’t shoot the deputy
I'm from Michigan and we have a similar state rivalry with Ohio. A lot of it is due to the Michigan-Ohio State sports rivalry, but much of it dates back much further, back to when Michigan was first looking to enter the Union as a state. By 1835, Michigan had enough people under for statehood under the requirements of the Northwest Ordinance, but there was a border dispute with Ohio over a piece of land called the Toledo Strip (which, as the name suggests, contained the city of Toledo). This actually results from the lack of clear boundaries when during the time of the NO, meaning that Michigan and Ohio each had separate surveys laying claim to Toledo. I believe that most independent surveys supported Michigan's claim (though I heard this in a Michigan history class I took in college that was mostly designed for aspiring elementary school teachers, so take it with a grain of salt), but Ohio had already been a state for over 30 years at that point, which meant they had more influence in the federal government. Congress settled the issue through a compromise, in which Michigan would concede the Toledo Strip to Ohio hexchange for what is now the Upper Peninsula. Most people in Michigan resisted this because Toledo was a coastal city on Lake Erie and thus believed to be more economically profitable, but about ten years later, copper and iron ore were discovered in the Upper Peninsula, which more than offset any economic loss from the surrender of Toledo. And of course, Michigan had to accept the compromise in order to receive statehood, so we bitterly accepted it after much hesitation. The UP is also much bigger in land area, so ultimately Michigan got the better end of the deal on both counts. Though the dispute is known as the "Toledo War," this name is misleading because there was very little violence other than a few minor skirmishes.
While we're on the subject, allow me to add a bit more about the UM-OSU rivalry. I once read that Woody Hayes, the former head football coach at Ohio State, once went ran out of gas a few miles north of the state line on his way to UM, and pushed his car back into Ohio to get gas because he was so adamant about never spending a dime in Michigan. Legend has it that he could not even utter the name University of Michigan, but simply called it "the school up north." And the divisions don't end at the state borders either; I can recall when I was in middle school a lot of my classmates who were Michigan State fans preferred Ohio State when the UM-OSU football game came around. I can't say for sure whether this was based on the hope that a loss by Michigan would help MSU's rankings or whether they just hated U of M that much, but I always found it a little bit treasonous.
HotWax93 Virginian here. Fuck Ohio.
The UP should be Wisconsins
You should read up on the Georgia vs Florida war also it’s similar to the war you guys had but between the British in Georgia and the Spaniards in Florida
I live in Ontario , and I was always told to go from Ann Arbor to Columbus, you would go south until you smell it, east until you step in it.
Let's Go Blue!!!
No offense but the Kansas-Missouri rivalry is a lot more catastrophic and contributed to the Civil War.
I feel like I didn't learn any of that in school.
Welk thank goodness for RUclips then
Mr. Beat Thanks for your videos. The internet gives me hope.:)
I learned a little bit of this in school but not as in depth. I'm from Missouri though so maybe they don't teach it in every state
Pretty awesome 👍 so effin interesting watching some more
Great informative video!
As a Missouri native and MU grad who has lived in Lawrence and attended KU, I can vouch for the voracity of this video. On a side note to those in the outside world: the city of Kansas City Missouri is named after the Kansas River, which empties into the Missouri River here. It is not named for Kansas. Kansas City MO was incorporated 7 years before Kansas became a state, and a separate city called Kansas City in Kansas was not founded for another 30 plus years.
Very interesting, thanks. So is it safe to assume that the geographical area now known as Kansas wasn't a thing at the time KC was named, since MO used the Kansas name to name their city? Otherwise I'd think they would have avoided it like the plague. Or, was it done purposefully, in hopes to influence KS to be like MO?? I was born in Leavenworth and raised across the river in MO. My dad told these stories of KS/MO conflicts, esp. the Lawrence attack.
kansas should have built a wall to keep them out, MKGA !!!!
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Missouri is sending rapists, murderers, terrorists. Some, I assume, are good people.
Herbie Hooser, ICE will send you back to Europe inmigrant MAGA !!
@@herbiehusker1889 well someones mad. Did Trump embrass y'all again???
Missouri should have built a wall to keep Kansas out. There are three types of suns in Kansas; sunshine, sunflowers and sons of bitches.
Thanks, great history lesson. I didn't know!
Hey Mr. Beat, I just saw this video and gotta say this is incredibly interesting. I am originally from Texas but migrated to Kansas in 2015. I now attend the University of Kansas in Lawrence and gotta say it is really cool for you to show all of these real time images of the places these events have taken place. I have been to Massachusetts street a lot and have even stayed in the Eldridge Hotel in Lawrence. Super cool stuff you've done here!
Heck yeah thanks so much for watching. Maybe I'll see you around town some time.
Thank you Mr Beat. Very glad they didn't shoot the deputy!
haha, glad you caught that quick reference. :D
Have you considered doing a video on L Frank Baum's The Wonderful Wizard of Oz and Henry Littlefield's claim it is an allegory of late 19th century politics and monetary policy? I always thought it was a cool idea. Regards John
Kansas hates Missouri because more than half of Kansas City is in Missouri😂😂. I only hate Kansas because they claim to have better bbq which is just..wrong
Kansas City existed before the state of Kansas. The state of Kansas stole our city name and then started developing a different city, Kansas City Kansas right next to Kansas City Missouri. Done intentionally to piggyback and confuse.
I mean, Joe's BBQ is in KCK. So they got a point there.
And I'm from the MO side of KC so like to hell with Kansas, but KCK ain't too bad.
I don’t hate Kansas but they are so petty they have a 3 strike law meaning u been found guilty of 3 Misdemeanors u get a life sentence for crimes that r not even violent or destructive.
Micah Leone wrong. Kansas was republican anti slavery. Missouri was leftist democrat pro slavery scum.
Jeremiah Daniel no they don’t. Or I would be in prison for the rest of my life. You’re a crazy person. 3 felonies yes.
That was really well-balanced. Thanks.
Good video Mr. Beat. Have you thought about the story of the fall of Senator Pomeroy in 1872. and it's interesting connection to a series of murders by the Bender Family?
I'm from MO and I haven't heard of this Kansas rivalry.
[TCC] Benkura I live in Missouri too and I’ve never heard of any hatred
It's primarily in a Kansas City thing. The Civil War was so bloody and so brutal in the Kansas City area that there is still animosity towards Kansas today. I was born and raised in Cass County, MO, which sits on the Kansas/Missouri border and is a few miles south of KC. William Quantrill launched the Lawrence Massacre from Cass Co. In retaliation the Union Army burned the entire country to the ground. Hardly nothing survived. It was like Armageddon in this part of Missouri.
Kansan here! I didn’t know it was this deep.
This was a great and informative video, thank you very much. Now I know the Civil War really did begin in Bleeding Kansas. I have found that Kansas City and Chicago are very similar in many ways, i.e. importance of the railroads and live stock. Purhaps a video about that?
Thanks for suggesting that!
I love watching videos and finding out people are from or events happened in Springfield. Love my city ❤️
Great video, Mr. Beat! As a former Lawrencian who remains a passionate Kansas Jayhawks devotee, I very much enjoyed it. Got a quick question for you: After the Kansas-Nebraska Act, did the Nebraska territory also experience any significant violence between pro- and anti-slavery forces? Why or why not?
Let me reply, if you don't mind. There was never any real thought or hope that Nebraska would be a slave state. All the fighting was about control of Kansas. They even had two capital cities for a while: one for northerners and the other for southerners. Find the book Black Flag by Thomas Goodrich.
Biggest reason for Why Not is due to the fact that Nebraska didn't have a long state line with a slave state.
I live in Missouri and didn’t even know this was a thing.
Same I thought us and Kansas were best friends lol
yeah.. same here.
Live in Kansas my whole life and I think Missouri is a beautiful State.
Kansas must have better schools.
that is some pretty wild history O_O
It's always fun to teach!
@ Mr beat is the Dixi mob and Kansas City mab a thing? I've heard a lot about them but being from Australia not a lot of historic stuff. They'd make a great vlog.
Nice video, great recap of Middle School history. They definitely sugar coated it. I did laugh when you tried to pronounce Marais des Cygnes, I thought you were from Kansas.
chiz413. "Maria dee Sin-jezz" .... my soul died a little bit!
@@denaturner8871 yep
That John Brown song sounded like the song "solidarity forever."
I think that's on purpose.
John Brown's soul-> battle hymn of the republic-> solidarity forever.
J B would have approved!
Can you do the rivalry between Virginia and Maryland
Who hates who more?
Honestly, is there really a rivalry? 3 counties and an independent city in NoVA carry the entire state of Virginia. But in Maryland, no 2 or 3 counties contribute disproportionately to the economy of the state. Most counties do their part.
Marylanders probably hate Virginians more since Virginians are often too consumed in their own state...rarely leaving it or thinking outside of it. I would say that the culture of Maryland is better though. I have spent about 8 year in both states, and they both have their positives and negatives. I am not sure that there is much of a heated rivalry between the states though.
I agree. There's no better definition of bougie than is Northern Virginia. But I've always wanted to visit the Tidewater region (i.e. Virginia Beach, Norfolk, Newport News). I heard the people down there are really cool and laid back.
Marylanders hate Virginians more. They look down on us like we're lower class or something. When it really shoud be the other way around cause VA has the richest counties in the nation, but Virginians rarely insult Marylanders outside of their driving.
Great video. thanks
I would love to see some in depth info about the border wars in Leavenworth, the little known stories are fascinating.
We may hate Missouri, but damn do we love those Kansas City sports teams. Go Chiefs! Go Royals!
The Cardinals are better
Cardinals last world series win 2011. Royals 2015 and Chiefs superbowl champs 2020 and contender 2021
too bad KC is on the Missouri Side, should be on the Kansas side, they can have St. Louis
Just gonna throw this out there:
State of Missouri founded in 1821.
Kansas City, MO founded in 1838.
State of Kansas founded in 1861.
C B there was a military fort in le Compton Kansas was in 1850
And the whole region was just prior all controlled by the govt.
The state of Missouri founded by slave owning democrat scum
@@youthmanrecords965 Missouri fought against itself during the civil war more than against Kansans..
JAFO no, he wouldn’t
@@jfor0948 Wtf are you talking about. Kansas is mostly republican dude. Look at the last presidential election. Kansas is almost always a red state. We have a republican controlled legislature.
@@jfor0948 KANSAS
Voted for Republican president in last seven elections; two Republican senators; four out of four House representatives are Republicans; two out of past three governors have been Democrats; Republican-controlled Legislature
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I live in STL and have been wondering why my history teacher seems to frequently talk about how she hates Kansas. Great video! Didn’t know a lot of this, wish we went this in depth in class.
I was born and raised in the "burnt district" of Missouri. 4 counties along the western Missouri border were burned in a scorched earth policy under General Ewings "general order number 11" during the civil war. The order stated "every building big enough to hide a Bushwacker" be burned. Regardless of the side it's residents supported. It didn't have the effect Ewing envisioned. Though never numbering more than 500, those "Bushwackers (southern guerrilla fighters)" held over 50,000 union troops, plus kansas "jayhawkers, dedicated to their capture at bay for more than 20 years after the civil war ended. It's considered one of the best examples of guerrilla tactics to this day.
12:57 So that's why Kansas calls themselves Jayhawks
You know it.
ROCK CHALK!!!
Never will call myself that
gayhawk
Go Powercats!
7:21 it’s named Franklin county after a infamous abolitionist newspaper company moved there from Massachusetts Franklin county
Love your video! Pretty sure they're just mad that we have wider roads and can go 75 on our interstate. 😉 Greetings from a fellow Kansan!
I'm from Missouri and I've never heard anyone talk about hating Kansas.
Where in MO? I hear it all the time
You must not live near KC, granted mostly it's just folks angry over their bad driving.
Neither have I
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