Ariel honestly looks like the artist saw manga style like twice and tried to recreate it...but by using references from like Betty Boop and other rubber hose cartoons
I had to pause the video and just stare quietly as my whole childhood came flooding back. I remembered carrying that book around with me, studying it, rereading it, paying more attention to it than my studies. I literally cried when I loaned it to a friend and her cat peed on it.
@@extra_ram_noodlesMy old graphic design teacher would have us flip drawings over a light box (you can do it over a window too) but that would only work if it were on standard paper or maybe a thinner canvas?
I used to follow the tutorials from these books in elementary 😭 the fact that i could replicate 90% of the drawings showed how amateurishly bad those “how to anime” books are. they looked so bad.
i remember going to a book store and trying to find a manga help book. i found a book that amazed me, the artist was at the same level of skill as me, which imo isnt good. so the fact they had the confidence to publish a how too book and get it into a large book store chain is baffling. the barrier for entry for art help books really is just the confidence to publish a book
Every time you showed the original Ariel headshot while you were drawing over it was such a jumpscare 😭 Super insightful commentary as usual! Love this video ❤
I remember one time I got a really professional looking college textbook about drawing human anatomy, and I rage quit trying to read it halfway through the Intro chapter because the vocabulary was unnecessarily dense and the author went on this huge tangent about how “drawing realistically is the only way and people who draw cartoons are an insult to true artists”
Ew! I actually went to art school and although we learned that learning to draw realistically is important, it was like... so your cartoony stuff can look good, not that "oh drawing in a cartoon style is unprofessional and not real art" blegh. And like the majority of artwork that's not considered cartoony isn't even realistic, so would that guy be saying that 15th century wood engravings aren't REAL art because they don't look realistic either?
The irony is that the illustrations in his later books are somehow a lot better. I think it’s because he hired a bunch of artists that actually respect the style. Apparently Mark Crilley was and still is one of the better ones because he actually respects the anime art style. Same with Sophie Chan who I assume is very busy considering how little she uploads as of now. 😭😭😭
@@ashleyhansen4479 Funny you should say that, I bought a couple of Hart's earlier manga books and they actually taught me a decent number of things, compared to his recent ones. Sure the art is a bit dated, but the info given is actually info of value, as opposed to his dad jokes that he tells every paragraph in his recent "how to manga" books....
Christopher Hart actually has relatively good art tutorial books when they are not manga-related. Like his fairy tutorial book is like a silly little storybook with fairy-lore he came up with. It'a actually entergaining to read as a picture book, even if one isn't using it as a tutorial. Manga however, *shudders*. That guy does not understand manga at all.
The fact that we actually bought these back then shows just how *starved* we were for anime art content Also just that these managed to get published is insaaaane. It feels like someone was like “Hey I bet you 100$ that I can publish a book without knowing anything.”
Part of me feels like a quarter of Ariel's page being dedicated to her backstory just shows how scattered the focus of that drawing book is. Like not only is it trying to teach readers how to draw anime, but also trying to introduce readers to the genre and or subculture of anime. Like "these are the characters and tropes you should expect" or "these are the kinds of characters people are making", which is a bold move considering how superficial their understanding of it seems.
When i was a kid, i had one of those how to draw books, and tho the art wasnt nearly egregious and the tutorials were actually helpful, the character designs were so cheesy. And they were all ripped off of existing characters. A game i liked playing was trying to guess which characters they were ripped off of. Some of them were easier than others. Like i wonder who this "space princess warrior school girl" could be? or who could this orange ninja character be? hmmm.
This might sound weird, but thanks for not just saying chubbier but also fatter! I hate people dancing around the word fat and I want to reclaim it as a neutral description instead of what often still feels like an insult.
I agree. Anyway, there is actual, factual fat is involved, a lot of it :D I totally use the word fat when I talk about a fat person. My country isn't that super sensitive, thankfully but I would do that anyway.
plus it’s like not even a good descriptor word, like you can be “chubby” but not “fat” it’s stupid to treat em like synonyms. i have chub around parts of my body but i wouldn’t consider myself fat cause im not ?
I always thought the circle guideline was just a way to guide the face/chin and not a way to represent the back area of the skull for the rest of the face -
@@Asukasnumber1fan Ive been an artist for over 4 years and yet I somehow didnt fully understand what the head guideline was supposed to be and somehow never questioned it -
@9ightdreamer lol , been drawing for as long as I can remember and I always thought ppl just knew abt tbh, well atleast now you know so you can use it more to your benefit
@@Asukasnumber1fan Eh, I was a self-taught artist so I didnt learn the exact reasons to exist yet here I am - (But hey at least I caught onto the idea of it guiding the face haha!) And I think Im at a point where Im beginning to understand the things I really should-
@@Asukasnumber1fanNo, no. I've been drawing for like..... 7-9 years or so and I also thought it was just a place to build the jawline on.... I also didn't understand the point of the lines on faces when I was a kid because those "how to draw" books like the ones in this video just don't explain how to use proportions/anatomy guide lines
It was my understanding all these “how to draw” and other series for kids are book packaging. So a publishing company probably decided they wanted a bunch drawing books, found an artist who would do it for them, contracted him and had him stuck drawing in styles he had no idea about. It would explain the really bad ones at least
That's what I was thinking, seeing how many of these "how to draw" authors have such a wide variety of books and subjects. That they just got *a* guy who can draw, period, and were like "Okay we need you to do a How to Draw Horses book and then you have to do a How to Draw American Cartoons book after that, and then we need a How to Do Botanical Illustrations followed by a second How to Draw Anime book"
I remember when my mom got me a how to draw manga book a few years ago when i was struggling a lot with drawing in this style. I loved it so much and i was using it so often that the pages started falling out haha. Some of the habits I developed while using it weren't actually that good, but I overcame it later. That book was made by a very good artist with a passion for drawing manga and without it I'd probably never be as good at drawing as I am now.
Lol omg I remember buying one of these when I first started taking illustration seriously. Thanks LT you made my soul cringe today with memories of "how to draw manga" Every artist needs to be close to that feeling. keeps us humble.
so you know the story of king Midas? it's like that except instead of it turning into (literal) gold it gets turned cute and into (metaphorical) gold hope that helps :]
I’ve drawn realistically for years and am self taught. But this video really explained the proportions of the face, things I’ve drawn without knowing or understanding like that the bottom of the nose is halfway between the eyes and chin. And I didn’t know where the eye line was supposed to be until now, I couldn’t figure out if it was supposed to be the top bottom or middle of the eye. It is supposed to be the middle (though I suppose it can be personal preference but it will help me be consistent every time.)
That's now how smaller chests work, the shadow wouldn't still be across the bottom uninterrupted because they wouldn't poke out far enough to cast it, it just looks like they got squished between 2 bricks. Source: mirror
I think I actually have one of these how to draw books that were given to me as a gift, for its intended purpose, it was not very specific, it practically skipped crucial steps, and the end products I made when using their advice resulted in an amalgamation where I am firmly comfortable to literally burning it while not feeling bad for the tree that was used for the firewood, the paper used, and the pencil.
YOOO I HAD THAT BOOK AT THE BEGINNING WTF 😭 i always thought it was funny how the tsundere, deredere and yandere (i think?) girls looked like DDLC characters like straight up. the tsundere one is just natsuki but orange ;_;
Those examples at the beginning actually had me screaming at the screen; "HOW DID THESE GET PUBLISHED?!" ...I'm so glad that my younger self eventually started to just use examples from my favorite PROPER manga artists...
Thank you for mentioning the bellybutton being flatter on fatter bodies! That and the way that the body folds & the droop on a belly are really important to know, because I've definitely seen people who didn't know that ending up with 'fat' characters that just look pregnant or really bloated 😅
i remember a how to draw book that i really loved had a few pages where you use head-heights to manipulate the proportions and what genres may use them. Like one used 5 heads and was claimed to be more used in kids anime, and one was like 11 heads and was mainly used for shojo lol
Listen, How to Draw Manga both volumes set me on my drawing path. There were just examples in there instead of fully drawn “copy this” examples. I see those books as things to be surpassed, but goodness, they were my friends in middle school 🥰
I grew up with and had some of these books as a kid, it was very easy for a well meaning parent or family member to buy these for you as a gift growing up in that era of anime first becoming popular. You did an awesome job with the redraws too, thanks for the awesome video.
The only difference I noticed between the “full figure” and “classic” where that the “full figure” one had larger thighs, it looks like that’s the only thing they changed.
I’m glad that when my parents offered to get me a how to draw anime book thing when I was like 9 I took one look at the cover and said “Yeah… thanks but no thanks…”
Honestly i love how even while pointing out the obvious problems within the "how to draw" books, Lavender is never outwardly rude or claims that it's "bad" just that it doesn't have direction/isn't helpful. Even on the Ariel page it was very polite and direct and i love that about her. Lavender is such a calming presence online and i think that's wonderful💜
your videos were what got me into drawing around 2016, seeing a new one in my feed almost a decade later while looking for background noise as i work on a professional illustration feels kind of surreal😭 really cool to see you do another one of these silly how to draw videos, you've improved so much not just in art but also videomaking since then, honestly can't believe it's 2024 right now
The intro is so spot on. I love your content. Probably the only reason I'm still motivated to do art. Every time I see one of your videos I open up Procreate again and start drawing. I love your art style too.
Absolutely love your body type revamps. I have literally been binge watching your videos all afternoon, I love your viewpoints and artistic insights. I just wanted to hop in the comments and say how much I'm enjoying your videos. I tend to really struggle drawing animation style, I would love to improve as I seem to be stuck between not super realistic but not cartoon either. So your tips are really helpful. Thank you so much for sharing 💖💖
omg this unlocked a core memory for me, I remember getting those awful "how to draw manga" books from my grandma when I was a weeby kid who was just starting out drawing. I remember even back then I looked at the weird melting faces and was like "uuuhhhhh thhaaaannkssss grandmaaa" and then kept just learning off the anime styles I already really loved before continuing to develop my own style and learning actual anatomy etc.
watching lavender improve over the years is a experience i wish everyone had because we see her change how she does shadows, shading, lines, colors, sketches, and everything it helped me improve too
holy shit, i HAD the Ariel book as a kid. waaaayyyyy way back when i was just first figuring out that I liked to draw, i somehow ended up with that book and even at that point, it was baffling. honestly I was kinda half-convinced that my brain was pulling some Mandela effect thing and implanting a false memory that this book existed at all, it's *wild* that it's not only real but apparently known?? absurd. thank you and well done with the redraws, I really respect your adaptability in style :)
i dont watch your videos as much as i used to (no particular reason as to why) but i still like to come back and see what youre up to the body type part of this video makes me so happy as a fat person, it makes me a lot more confident in myself i know you wont see this but i just wanted to say this somewhere
in all my years of drawing experience, i NEVER knew the circle was for the back of the head, i just used it for funsies and to know where the eyes went but that makes so much sense! i kind of just sat there with my jaw on the floor when i heard that.
The first one with the body types is from a book i have, by Christopher hart! some parts of the book are better than others, but overall i am experienced enough to take the good parts and apply them and discard the bad parts.
Not gonna lie, seeing Haley try to draw the muscular type gave me a bit of a confidence boost ^^; I don't know if she'll read this, but what I think went wrong here is that people tend to fall into the trap of drawing muscular character more sharp and angular, when muscles irl are actually kind of rounded. It's not the same smoothness that body fat has, but it's still round curves instead of sharp edges, and if you're not used to drawing muscle, going for said sharp edges can make your drawing look bumpy. An obvious step in learning how to draw muscular characters is looking at irl examples and maybe references of how other artists draw them of course. Knowing where what muscle is located also helps a lot in trying to get a less bumpy look. Another thing I've noticed in this drawing in particular though, is that something about the chest is a bit awkward..? I think the crease underneath the chest makes it look bigger than it's supposed to be, so it just kinda looks like it's too far up... personally, I'd go for using just shading instead of full lines to communicate the volume, and depending on what the character is wearing, the way the clothing behaves around the chest area.
I am awful at body types, so I wouldn't trust myself on what i'll say now but, I think your tips are valid, but can definetly be ignored by the artstyle, like, some artstyles will rather have sharper shapes and shading (like some manga, actually), and in a how to draw manga book, those tips should probably be stated, but not necessarily aplied
@@lav-kitty The thing with those is, you have to first actually understand muscles and how to draw them, before you can properly apply them. Yeah, stating them makes sense, but I feel like a lot of people fall into the trap of using artstyle as a crutch which you should never do.
It’s more eloquently put than what my friend said: "I’m not an artist but I can tell something’s wrong when her arm has 5 joints" Also underboobs line should only really come into play when there’s a significant volume, otherwise it just looks like the boobage is pointing forwards ^^’ Edit: also the eye on the big one. Closed eyes shouldn’t be right at the level of the bottom of an open eye, but a bit higher, because there’s a bottom eyelid that closes a little too
The feeling when the video starts off with the exact two first tutorial books I ever used and which inspired me start replicating manga/anime artstyles in my own art. It was a mixture of cringing at the book and its lack of proper explanations in its material, laughing, and a "yeah, you're right". The 8-year-old me who sat down and studied those drawings tried to understand what everything displayed was whilst replicating what I saw. Boy have I drawn a lot of heads shaped like partially eaten apples with pointy chins because of that. When I got a little older I tried to study more closely and read the descriptions of more parts. I found most of the text to just state the obvious and not explain things too well. I also remember it being fairly specific about what materials were needed. I find that what it did best was inspire... I also learned what construction lines are and how to draw trees.
These “How to Draw” books remind me of my Manga Art class, which was equally helpful. I learned many things in that class, I just wish how to draw was one of them.
I owned one of these books, and honestly I didn't learn anything from it. It made me really self conscious about my art, but this made it feel better lol.
The very first youtuber I ever subscribed to as a kid was Mark Crilley, who wrote the Mastering Manga series. Idk if it's bias but I genuinely attribute a large part of my love for art and my art style influence to him. His videos are so calming and his iconic garage band music will live rent free in my head forever.
As someone who learned to draw from (at first) copying my friend who probably was referencing from one of these books… I’m so grateful I never got one of these. Instead, when the time came, I instead got an art book from one of my favorite anime! I loved looking at all of the differences in facial composition, expressions, hairstyle, etc (also having official reference material makes for better fanart imo) I still have it, well-loved and in a safe space, and will never forget how important it was for me learning how to advance my drawing of people. Oh- also I learned how to draw a skull before I learned how to draw a face (you can guess what fandom I was entrenched in) so figuring out how a skull sits within someone’s head was significantly easier for me compared to if I hadn’t drawn… waaay too many cartoon skeletons. But here I am, with my BFA in Media Art, I hope I can keep it up and stay sane… maybe be able to show younger kids that cartoon and anime art is *not* a joke and that art teachers are stupid and that they shouldn’t take their criticism to heart. Keep practicing and you’ll do great things!
I have to admit. When it comes to body types many are tend to be afraid with a chubby or fat body type because they think it is ' ugly ' and the character won't be pleasing. It is very common I can understand why. I am still a young artist and I am trying to experiment with body types early so that it won't be a hassle when I am older TvT Btw , love ur videos and art!
oh god you definitely improved the body types section, especially on the muscular and full body types. I really loved how you draw both of them, and yeah I used to shy away from drawing belly fat especially, I think i'm a lot better at that now. Muscle is also... hard. I'm good at charcters who are like. Medium buff for lack of a better description? Like characters who have noticeable muscles but don't look like superman. I struggle with characters who are super muscular and with more subtly showing that a character has muscle. Your picture of a bunch of different proffessional female athletes helped, I should probably look at more refs like that. I do think your thin body type girl is a bit enderman level thin and elogated, which works fine for a more cartoony anime style but I guess for a slightly more realistic version you could have made the "standard" girl slightly more heavyset and then made the tall thin girl just a little thinner and taller than the standard was originally drawn... that's a lot of work though honestly.
I had a Shoujo-Manga tutorial book as a kid (well technically my sister did but I stole it lol) and felt compelled to look at it again after seeing your videos on this. I'm pleased to say it holds up pretty well! It was quite helpful on my art journey, I learned a lot about feature placement (very similar to what you describe with the guidelines), facial expressions, hair, clothing folds, even perspective and posing. Some things didn't age well, like the author basically insinuates that you can have chubby characters, but only as side characters, the main character was gonna have to be thin (in general there was close to no body type variety in there). But overall I definitely feel like I lucked out compared to what I see on your screen 😂
I still have these books on my shelf as a 32 year old. As a kid these books were all we had to improve but half of them looked like the artists didn't put much effort into them and the tips were not helpful. Luckily I still draw
I remember I had an anime book made by someone who didn’t do anime art. The face looks normal but the bodies of the women looked like they have no organs.
Thank you for this! I had a few of these types of books when I was younger. I'm currently trying to learn different body types. For the longest time I stayed away from drawing characters of color and fuller figures because as a young artist I saw so many other artists being torn down for 'incorrect portrayal', 'the color they used for the skin tone was offensive' or the full figured characters were 'perpetuating stereotypes', 'promoting unhealthy eating' or 'drawn ugly'. but now it's a lot more common and accepted to see diversity in character art and I'm trying to get out of the mindset that 'because I'm white and have an acceptable body weight' I shouldn't be drawing characters that I don't physically identify with. I'm in the process of redesigning my old childhood characters and thinking more of their skin tones and body type, so far I managed to redesign 2 with a more curvy full body type and 1 has a caramel skin tone as posed to all my previous characters having milky white, peach or pale olive skin tones. I'm slowly venturing into darker shades and more ethnic facial features. it's just taking time to retrain my hand so the shapes comes naturally.
0:35 I was like “huh that’s not that bad” because I thought it was gonna be teaching how to draw different POSES but then you said “variety in body types” and I was like HUH????
Last time I was in an art supplies store, I was struck by how bad the drawing on the "how to draw manga style" cover books were. Like, why would you even learn from a book that doesn't display good drawing itself ??? I think they're really capitalizing on grandparents shopping for their "gand-kid who's drawing anime".
Since you like to draw, is it OK if I give you a challenge? It’s about Dandy’s world and they’re a bunch like a cute little characters and I wanna see if you can turn them scary since you’re really good at that and I love your videos. By the way I never miss one please and thank you
the repeated hiding and unhiding of the Ariel layer is like a jumpscare every time
In case of Ariel the eyes are the biggest flaw
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@@chimera9818 indeed ! It looks ... unethical I'd say ?
@@SpreadingMisinformation Yeah, it looks like the human equivalent of whatever happened to pugs. 😂
she had severe ptosis 😔
Ariel honestly looks like the artist saw manga style like twice and tried to recreate it...but by using references from like Betty Boop and other rubber hose cartoons
@@yourshoulderdevil5229 me too
Yes! Exactly! It reminded me of the most wonky character designs from old Fleischer cartoons.
omg that's actually true
Yes!! Her facial design would be perfect for a modern/rubber hose style blend! The art style is VERY Betty Boop - coded
I MEAN. Back in the day that’s all you had to work with
I had to pause the video and just stare quietly as my whole childhood came flooding back. I remembered carrying that book around with me, studying it, rereading it, paying more attention to it than my studies.
I literally cried when I loaned it to a friend and her cat peed on it.
The cat knew it was bad.
Probably
the cat knew the book wasn't gonna help
BAHAHAHAHA
This video and comment section is so chaotic 💀💀
that cat did you a favor! lol jk
some drawings in these books are the definition of “when you forget to flip the canvas”
Can't really do that in traditional art, but still, these are horrid XD
@@extra_ram_noodleswdym just rotate the notebook/paper
@@extra_ram_noodlesyou can use a mirror
@@extra_ram_noodlesig you can flip the paper? 😭
@@extra_ram_noodlesMy old graphic design teacher would have us flip drawings over a light box (you can do it over a window too) but that would only work if it were on standard paper or maybe a thinner canvas?
I feel like at this point Haley should make her own how to draw book
OMG YESSSSSSS
YE
YESS
I would pay so much money for an art book let alone her own how to draw omg 😭
Pls omg PLA
I used to have a book like this, i never finished it because of how repetitive and mundane it was.
Same
The first book cover was atrocious 💀
I used to follow the tutorials from these books in elementary 😭 the fact that i could replicate 90% of the drawings showed how amateurishly bad those “how to anime” books are. they looked so bad.
Same I had the "how to draw more manga" book from the library of my school (I hated it)
Peter Gray. 💀 now that’s a name I’ve not heard in many moons. I had his book as a kid and picked up so many bad habits from it.
i remember going to a book store and trying to find a manga help book. i found a book that amazed me, the artist was at the same level of skill as me, which imo isnt good. so the fact they had the confidence to publish a how too book and get it into a large book store chain is baffling. the barrier for entry for art help books really is just the confidence to publish a book
Yeah, I think beginners should be able to publicize their work, but they really should not be trying to give advice or making "how-to draw" books.
Every time you showed the original Ariel headshot while you were drawing over it was such a jumpscare 😭
Super insightful commentary as usual! Love this video ❤
the "this is porbably someone who would rather be drawing a horse" line made actually laugh out loud I'm not sure why :""D
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10:26 “He seems like someone who would honestly rather be drawing a horse” the way Ariel looks like that one Barbie horse, yeah
I had the second one shown in the video. My art teacher went through the entire book for the class to show everything wrong with it 😂
I remember one time I got a really professional looking college textbook about drawing human anatomy, and I rage quit trying to read it halfway through the Intro chapter because the vocabulary was unnecessarily dense and the author went on this huge tangent about how “drawing realistically is the only way and people who draw cartoons are an insult to true artists”
Ew! I actually went to art school and although we learned that learning to draw realistically is important, it was like... so your cartoony stuff can look good, not that "oh drawing in a cartoon style is unprofessional and not real art" blegh. And like the majority of artwork that's not considered cartoony isn't even realistic, so would that guy be saying that 15th century wood engravings aren't REAL art because they don't look realistic either?
Freaking Christopher hart the bane of my existence
And this one too
This is why our art teachers laughed at us when we tried to draw anime
The irony is that the illustrations in his later books are somehow a lot better. I think it’s because he hired a bunch of artists that actually respect the style.
Apparently Mark Crilley was and still is one of the better ones because he actually respects the anime art style. Same with Sophie Chan who I assume is very busy considering how little she uploads as of now. 😭😭😭
@@ashleyhansen4479True, I think I have one of the newer ones, luckily. 😂
@@ashleyhansen4479 Funny you should say that, I bought a couple of Hart's earlier manga books and they actually taught me a decent number of things, compared to his recent ones. Sure the art is a bit dated, but the info given is actually info of value, as opposed to his dad jokes that he tells every paragraph in his recent "how to manga" books....
STOP I USED TO USE HIS BOOKS ALL TYE TIME 😭😭
Christopher Hart actually has relatively good art tutorial books when they are not manga-related. Like his fairy tutorial book is like a silly little storybook with fairy-lore he came up with. It'a actually entergaining to read as a picture book, even if one isn't using it as a tutorial.
Manga however, *shudders*. That guy does not understand manga at all.
The fact that we actually bought these back then shows just how *starved* we were for anime art content
Also just that these managed to get published is insaaaane. It feels like someone was like “Hey I bet you 100$ that I can publish a book without knowing anything.”
these books are the very essence of "the nice man at the store said you'd love this one"
Lmao underrated but fr fr 💀
Part of me feels like a quarter of Ariel's page being dedicated to her backstory just shows how scattered the focus of that drawing book is. Like not only is it trying to teach readers how to draw anime, but also trying to introduce readers to the genre and or subculture of anime. Like "these are the characters and tropes you should expect" or "these are the kinds of characters people are making", which is a bold move considering how superficial their understanding of it seems.
The opening- Oh my God, I love your channel so much…
When i was a kid, i had one of those how to draw books, and tho the art wasnt nearly egregious and the tutorials were actually helpful, the character designs were so cheesy. And they were all ripped off of existing characters. A game i liked playing was trying to guess which characters they were ripped off of. Some of them were easier than others. Like i wonder who this "space princess warrior school girl" could be? or who could this orange ninja character be? hmmm.
LMFAO that's great
This might sound weird, but thanks for not just saying chubbier but also fatter! I hate people dancing around the word fat and I want to reclaim it as a neutral description instead of what often still feels like an insult.
I also hate that people think chubby = fat. Like I'm chubby but I'm not fat.
Hear hear! Fat is normal and natural and everyone has it!
I agree. Anyway, there is actual, factual fat is involved, a lot of it :D I totally use the word fat when I talk about a fat person. My country isn't that super sensitive, thankfully but I would do that anyway.
plus it’s like not even a good descriptor word, like you can be “chubby” but not “fat” it’s stupid to treat em like synonyms. i have chub around parts of my body but i wouldn’t consider myself fat cause im not ?
I agree! And also, chubby and fat are not the same thing! Like when someone says “very chubby” and they mean fat I am confused.
LavenderTowne should make her own how to draw book. I’d buy it :)
she does have a book lol, its called unfamiliar
*should
@@smhlol8472I think they meant a how to draw book
@@dollzohow to draw books can be very limiting and it’s not in her character to do so tbh
@@dollzo Thx I fixed it
I always thought the circle guideline was just a way to guide the face/chin and not a way to represent the back area of the skull for the rest of the face -
Wait you didn't know that?
@@Asukasnumber1fan
Ive been an artist for over 4 years and yet I somehow didnt fully understand what the head guideline was supposed to be and somehow never questioned it -
@9ightdreamer lol , been drawing for as long as I can remember and I always thought ppl just knew abt tbh, well atleast now you know so you can use it more to your benefit
@@Asukasnumber1fan
Eh, I was a self-taught artist so I didnt learn the exact reasons to exist yet here I am -
(But hey at least I caught onto the idea of it guiding the face haha!)
And I think Im at a point where Im beginning to understand the things I really should-
@@Asukasnumber1fanNo, no. I've been drawing for like..... 7-9 years or so and I also thought it was just a place to build the jawline on.... I also didn't understand the point of the lines on faces when I was a kid because those "how to draw" books like the ones in this video just don't explain how to use proportions/anatomy guide lines
It was my understanding all these “how to draw” and other series for kids are book packaging. So a publishing company probably decided they wanted a bunch drawing books, found an artist who would do it for them, contracted him and had him stuck drawing in styles he had no idea about. It would explain the really bad ones at least
That's what I was thinking, seeing how many of these "how to draw" authors have such a wide variety of books and subjects. That they just got *a* guy who can draw, period, and were like "Okay we need you to do a How to Draw Horses book and then you have to do a How to Draw American Cartoons book after that, and then we need a How to Do Botanical Illustrations followed by a second How to Draw Anime book"
I remember when my mom got me a how to draw manga book a few years ago when i was struggling a lot with drawing in this style. I loved it so much and i was using it so often that the pages started falling out haha. Some of the habits I developed while using it weren't actually that good, but I overcame it later. That book was made by a very good artist with a passion for drawing manga and without it I'd probably never be as good at drawing as I am now.
Lol omg I remember buying one of these when I first started taking illustration seriously. Thanks LT you made my soul cringe today with memories of "how to draw manga" Every artist needs to be close to that feeling. keeps us humble.
the plus sized girl you drew is so cute ahhh!!! i love it the rep as a fat person means ALOT to me :333
The face diagram one was -outrageously- cute. Why does everything lavendertown touch become so cute??
so you know the story of king Midas? it's like that except instead of it turning into (literal) gold it gets turned cute and into (metaphorical) gold hope that helps :]
I’ve drawn realistically for years and am self taught. But this video really explained the proportions of the face, things I’ve drawn without knowing or understanding like that the bottom of the nose is halfway between the eyes and chin. And I didn’t know where the eye line was supposed to be until now, I couldn’t figure out if it was supposed to be the top bottom or middle of the eye. It is supposed to be the middle (though I suppose it can be personal preference but it will help me be consistent every time.)
Feral over how you changed the body types, why are artists so afraid of giving their characters SHAPE
Mostly out of uneasiness when it comes to trying something they aren’t used to, or my most favorite reason: “It Doesn’t Fit My Art Style!”
That chubby character is so stinking cute ngl. I love how Haley draws heavyset characters.
@@makaylaserniotti1474 totally agree, it always makes me want to draw
Maybe for the first one they did nkt wanna make people feel bad 😊
The original did have differences, just that LavanderTowne's one is more exagerated.
Dude, if LavenderTowne ever made a "How to Draw" book, I would buy it so fast!
That's now how smaller chests work, the shadow wouldn't still be across the bottom uninterrupted because they wouldn't poke out far enough to cast it, it just looks like they got squished between 2 bricks.
Source: mirror
LOL
I think I actually have one of these how to draw books that were given to me as a gift, for its intended purpose, it was not very specific, it practically skipped crucial steps, and the end products I made when using their advice resulted in an amalgamation where I am firmly comfortable to literally burning it while not feeling bad for the tree that was used for the firewood, the paper used, and the pencil.
not the intro-
also "he's probably someone who would rather be drawing a horse" 😂😂😂
THE INTRO-
YOOO I HAD THAT BOOK AT THE BEGINNING WTF 😭 i always thought it was funny how the tsundere, deredere and yandere (i think?) girls looked like DDLC characters
like straight up. the tsundere one is just natsuki but orange ;_;
wait so ddlc… unoriginal?!
@@cryingwatercolours yes!!!!! 😨😨😨😨😨 so sad ddlc moment
Those examples at the beginning actually had me screaming at the screen; "HOW DID THESE GET PUBLISHED?!"
...I'm so glad that my younger self eventually started to just use examples from my favorite PROPER manga artists...
Thank you for mentioning the bellybutton being flatter on fatter bodies! That and the way that the body folds & the droop on a belly are really important to know, because I've definitely seen people who didn't know that ending up with 'fat' characters that just look pregnant or really bloated 😅
i remember a how to draw book that i really loved had a few pages where you use head-heights to manipulate the proportions and what genres may use them. Like one used 5 heads and was claimed to be more used in kids anime, and one was like 11 heads and was mainly used for shojo lol
i have been drawing for 10+ years (I'm 23) and did not know that the circle you start with in a portrait is the back of the skull...
honestly if lavender towne made a art book i would happily buy a hundred copies
Your voice is really calming and I enjoy listening to your videos when I do stuff, especially drawing. Thank you so much, I don’t regret subscribing.
Your curvy girl is so cute. Her body looks a little like mine so I like her a lot.
The intro had me dying 😂
Listen, How to Draw Manga both volumes set me on my drawing path. There were just examples in there instead of fully drawn “copy this” examples. I see those books as things to be surpassed, but goodness, they were my friends in middle school 🥰
I grew up with and had some of these books as a kid, it was very easy for a well meaning parent or family member to buy these for you as a gift growing up in that era of anime first becoming popular. You did an awesome job with the redraws too, thanks for the awesome video.
It's so refreshing that you actually showed different body types in this!! I wish I had that in a how to draw book as a kid.
The only difference I noticed between the “full figure” and “classic” where that the “full figure” one had larger thighs, it looks like that’s the only thing they changed.
I’m glad that when my parents offered to get me a how to draw anime book thing when I was like 9 I took one look at the cover and said
“Yeah… thanks but no thanks…”
0:32 I got this book for Christmas, and when my mom and I were looking at and got to this page we were just like: 😨
5:55 the fact that I used that exact how to draw book when I first started getting into art
Honestly i love how even while pointing out the obvious problems within the "how to draw" books, Lavender is never outwardly rude or claims that it's "bad" just that it doesn't have direction/isn't helpful. Even on the Ariel page it was very polite and direct and i love that about her. Lavender is such a calming presence online and i think that's wonderful💜
0:10 OMG I owned that one!!! Barely used it tho cuz I taught myself by drawing my favorite manga panels😂
your videos were what got me into drawing around 2016, seeing a new one in my feed almost a decade later while looking for background noise as i work on a professional illustration feels kind of surreal😭
really cool to see you do another one of these silly how to draw videos, you've improved so much not just in art but also videomaking since then, honestly can't believe it's 2024 right now
I like how the full figured body types shading makes a little face on the belly it's just cute
The intro is so spot on. I love your content. Probably the only reason I'm still motivated to do art. Every time I see one of your videos I open up Procreate again and start drawing. I love your art style too.
Absolutely love your body type revamps. I have literally been binge watching your videos all afternoon, I love your viewpoints and artistic insights. I just wanted to hop in the comments and say how much I'm enjoying your videos. I tend to really struggle drawing animation style, I would love to improve as I seem to be stuck between not super realistic but not cartoon either. So your tips are really helpful. Thank you so much for sharing 💖💖
"it seems like hes probably someone who would rather be drawing a horse" truer words have never been spoken
THE INTO IM CRYING 😭🤚
omg this unlocked a core memory for me, I remember getting those awful "how to draw manga" books from my grandma when I was a weeby kid who was just starting out drawing. I remember even back then I looked at the weird melting faces and was like "uuuhhhhh thhaaaannkssss grandmaaa" and then kept just learning off the anime styles I already really loved before continuing to develop my own style and learning actual anatomy etc.
I seriously love how you changed these and explained it all. If you ever make an art book sign me up!
watching lavender improve over the years is a experience i wish everyone had because we see her change how she does shadows, shading, lines, colors, sketches, and everything
it helped me improve too
It blows my mind these books are real and actually published
holy shit, i HAD the Ariel book as a kid. waaaayyyyy way back when i was just first figuring out that I liked to draw, i somehow ended up with that book and even at that point, it was baffling. honestly I was kinda half-convinced that my brain was pulling some Mandela effect thing and implanting a false memory that this book existed at all, it's *wild* that it's not only real but apparently known?? absurd. thank you and well done with the redraws, I really respect your adaptability in style :)
i dont watch your videos as much as i used to (no particular reason as to why) but i still like to come back and see what youre up to
the body type part of this video makes me so happy as a fat person, it makes me a lot more confident in myself
i know you wont see this but i just wanted to say this somewhere
in all my years of drawing experience, i NEVER knew the circle was for the back of the head, i just used it for funsies and to know where the eyes went but that makes so much sense! i kind of just sat there with my jaw on the floor when i heard that.
I remember being like 7 and thinking im so cool bc i had like 5 of these books💀
Ahahaha, I had that EXACT book at the very beginning of the video!
The first one with the body types is from a book i have, by Christopher hart! some parts of the book are better than others, but overall i am experienced enough to take the good parts and apply them and discard the bad parts.
I'm so glad you've talked about this because honestly these tutorial books makes very hard for beginners drawing traditional before heading to digital
Not gonna lie, seeing Haley try to draw the muscular type gave me a bit of a confidence boost ^^;
I don't know if she'll read this, but what I think went wrong here is that people tend to fall into the trap of drawing muscular character more sharp and angular, when muscles irl are actually kind of rounded.
It's not the same smoothness that body fat has, but it's still round curves instead of sharp edges, and if you're not used to drawing muscle, going for said sharp edges can make your drawing look bumpy.
An obvious step in learning how to draw muscular characters is looking at irl examples and maybe references of how other artists draw them of course. Knowing where what muscle is located also helps a lot in trying to get a less bumpy look.
Another thing I've noticed in this drawing in particular though, is that something about the chest is a bit awkward..?
I think the crease underneath the chest makes it look bigger than it's supposed to be, so it just kinda looks like it's too far up... personally, I'd go for using just shading instead of full lines to communicate the volume, and depending on what the character is wearing, the way the clothing behaves around the chest area.
I am awful at body types, so I wouldn't trust myself on what i'll say now but, I think your tips are valid, but can definetly be ignored by the artstyle, like, some artstyles will rather have sharper shapes and shading (like some manga, actually), and in a how to draw manga book, those tips should probably be stated, but not necessarily aplied
@@lav-kitty The thing with those is, you have to first actually understand muscles and how to draw them, before you can properly apply them.
Yeah, stating them makes sense, but I feel like a lot of people fall into the trap of using artstyle as a crutch which you should never do.
It’s more eloquently put than what my friend said: "I’m not an artist but I can tell something’s wrong when her arm has 5 joints"
Also underboobs line should only really come into play when there’s a significant volume, otherwise it just looks like the boobage is pointing forwards ^^’
Edit: also the eye on the big one. Closed eyes shouldn’t be right at the level of the bottom of an open eye, but a bit higher, because there’s a bottom eyelid that closes a little too
The feeling when the video starts off with the exact two first tutorial books I ever used and which inspired me start replicating manga/anime artstyles in my own art. It was a mixture of cringing at the book and its lack of proper explanations in its material, laughing, and a "yeah, you're right".
The 8-year-old me who sat down and studied those drawings tried to understand what everything displayed was whilst replicating what I saw. Boy have I drawn a lot of heads shaped like partially eaten apples with pointy chins because of that. When I got a little older I tried to study more closely and read the descriptions of more parts. I found most of the text to just state the obvious and not explain things too well. I also remember it being fairly specific about what materials were needed. I find that what it did best was inspire... I also learned what construction lines are and how to draw trees.
These “How to Draw” books remind me of my Manga Art class, which was equally helpful. I learned many things in that class, I just wish how to draw was one of them.
the intro has me ROLLING
That intro got me cackling-
I owned one of these books, and honestly I didn't learn anything from it. It made me really self conscious about my art, but this made it feel better lol.
Ah yes, the book where love2drawmanga’s original username came from.
(Her original user being how2drawmanga)
that blue how to draw manga book was my ownly reference growing up in the midwest ;-; I still suffer permenant damage
The very first youtuber I ever subscribed to as a kid was Mark Crilley, who wrote the Mastering Manga series. Idk if it's bias but I genuinely attribute a large part of my love for art and my art style influence to him. His videos are so calming and his iconic garage band music will live rent free in my head forever.
I don't have the best body shape, so I'm so glad you fixed those first body shapes. They literally looked so similar to the standard. Thank you!❤
u did a rlly good job on the body types. making it realistic but also keeping the anime style. it was my first ever how to draw anime books lol
I don't know what you think but that durian haircut at 0:05 is kinda lit tho.
As someone who learned to draw from (at first) copying my friend who probably was referencing from one of these books… I’m so grateful I never got one of these.
Instead, when the time came, I instead got an art book from one of my favorite anime! I loved looking at all of the differences in facial composition, expressions, hairstyle, etc (also having official reference material makes for better fanart imo)
I still have it, well-loved and in a safe space, and will never forget how important it was for me learning how to advance my drawing of people.
Oh- also I learned how to draw a skull before I learned how to draw a face (you can guess what fandom I was entrenched in) so figuring out how a skull sits within someone’s head was significantly easier for me compared to if I hadn’t drawn… waaay too many cartoon skeletons.
But here I am, with my BFA in Media Art, I hope I can keep it up and stay sane… maybe be able to show younger kids that cartoon and anime art is *not* a joke and that art teachers are stupid and that they shouldn’t take their criticism to heart. Keep practicing and you’ll do great things!
The astonishing lack of understanding of the art form behind the original Ariel design truly is the stuff of legends.
I have to admit. When it comes to body types many are tend to be afraid with a chubby or fat body type because they think it is ' ugly ' and the character won't be pleasing. It is very common I can understand why. I am still a young artist and I am trying to experiment with body types early so that it won't be a hassle when I am older TvT
Btw , love ur videos and art!
Which is such a shame bc for example the chubby charecter that lavender towne drew in this video is soo cute!
@@queerqueen098 FACTS!!!!!!!
oh god you definitely improved the body types section, especially on the muscular and full body types. I really loved how you draw both of them, and yeah I used to shy away from drawing belly fat especially, I think i'm a lot better at that now. Muscle is also... hard. I'm good at charcters who are like. Medium buff for lack of a better description? Like characters who have noticeable muscles but don't look like superman. I struggle with characters who are super muscular and with more subtly showing that a character has muscle. Your picture of a bunch of different proffessional female athletes helped, I should probably look at more refs like that.
I do think your thin body type girl is a bit enderman level thin and elogated, which works fine for a more cartoony anime style but I guess for a slightly more realistic version you could have made the "standard" girl slightly more heavyset and then made the tall thin girl just a little thinner and taller than the standard was originally drawn... that's a lot of work though honestly.
In the body type portion of the vid, THE CHUBBY ONE LOOKS SO HUGABL 😭I WANNA HUG HER
11:14 WHEN I SAW SCREAM 1 I GASPED SO LOUD, MY CAT FREAKED OUT😭
Ariel looks like the author was thinking: "... but, but where does the EYELID go?!"
The art in the intro is pure fucking perfection ✨
I had a Shoujo-Manga tutorial book as a kid (well technically my sister did but I stole it lol) and felt compelled to look at it again after seeing your videos on this. I'm pleased to say it holds up pretty well! It was quite helpful on my art journey, I learned a lot about feature placement (very similar to what you describe with the guidelines), facial expressions, hair, clothing folds, even perspective and posing.
Some things didn't age well, like the author basically insinuates that you can have chubby characters, but only as side characters, the main character was gonna have to be thin (in general there was close to no body type variety in there).
But overall I definitely feel like I lucked out compared to what I see on your screen 😂
In 5th grade a boy showed up to class with one of those books and literally a week later our whole grade had them and we thought it was cool 😅
2:17 SHES SO CUTE THO!!!!
I still have these books on my shelf as a 32 year old. As a kid these books were all we had to improve but half of them looked like the artists didn't put much effort into them and the tips were not helpful. Luckily I still draw
I remember I had an anime book made by someone who didn’t do anime art. The face looks normal but the bodies of the women looked like they have no organs.
Thank you for this! I had a few of these types of books when I was younger. I'm currently trying to learn different body types.
For the longest time I stayed away from drawing characters of color and fuller figures because as a young artist I saw so many other artists being torn down for 'incorrect portrayal', 'the color they used for the skin tone was offensive' or the full figured characters were 'perpetuating stereotypes', 'promoting unhealthy eating' or 'drawn ugly'. but now it's a lot more common and accepted to see diversity in character art and I'm trying to get out of the mindset that 'because I'm white and have an acceptable body weight' I shouldn't be drawing characters that I don't physically identify with.
I'm in the process of redesigning my old childhood characters and thinking more of their skin tones and body type, so far I managed to redesign 2 with a more curvy full body type and 1 has a caramel skin tone as posed to all my previous characters having milky white, peach or pale olive skin tones. I'm slowly venturing into darker shades and more ethnic facial features. it's just taking time to retrain my hand so the shapes comes naturally.
That last one's example's gonna make me not be able to sleep tonight.
0:35 I was like “huh that’s not that bad” because I thought it was gonna be teaching how to draw different POSES but then you said “variety in body types” and I was like HUH????
I feel like Ariel has had a stroke in the past, even though she's 16
I greatly prefer Haley's version, she looks so nice
Last time I was in an art supplies store, I was struck by how bad the drawing on the "how to draw manga style" cover books were. Like, why would you even learn from a book that doesn't display good drawing itself ??? I think they're really capitalizing on grandparents shopping for their "gand-kid who's drawing anime".
Since you like to draw, is it OK if I give you a challenge? It’s about Dandy’s world and they’re a bunch like a cute little characters and I wanna see if you can turn them scary since you’re really good at that and I love your videos. By the way I never miss one please and thank you
the body type one made me