Runaway Train on the Northern Line
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I witnessed a runaway train many years ago. It was a class 25 (remember those?) and was pulling many empty (thankfully) 15t coal wagons. I watched as it rounded the curve in the distance and realised it shouldn't be there as the points I was near to were not set for it. The sight of it as it failed to negotiate the junction was a sight I will never forget. The noise of the wagons as they piled up behind it was not a noise I can accurately describe. The only saving grace was the fact it was my Hornby train set.
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Thoughts and prayers to the plasticville residents around the accident site 🙏
He had us in the first half, I’m not gonna lie
Where did they bury the survivors?
@@lawrencelewis2592 Thankfully there was nobody in the cab, and no civilians injured as they had been removed to be painted...
“Smut belching puffing billies” will be my go-to insult from now on.
Smut Belching Billeted Puffin sounds better...😉
@stanislavkostarnov2157 what, pray tell, IS a Billeted Puffin anyway? 😂😂
@@alanclarke4646presumably it refers to places commandeered for puffins to live.
@@MrMWRMWR excellent, I love puffins! ( Not, it must be noted, as food ).
A term that can be applied to most politicians.
If it was a runaway high speed train, it’d be a FugiTGV. I’m here all week.
Call your agent.
Ouch!! 😂😂😂
"just a guy on youtube" yes but one who knows his onions.
You mean trains, this isn't a veg channel 😂😂
@@alanclarke4646James May once made a video on making a shepherd's pie, I could totally see Jago doing it on his second!
Not to mention his Charles Tyson Yerkes….
@alanclarke4646 oh I don't know, I can spend hours vegging out on Jago's videos. 😅
No room for modesty, I’m always singing your praises to my London based friends who use the Underground every day and, thanks to my recommendations, they have subscribed to your great channel.
"You are the generous whip-round to my concussed head"
The description of operating a steam train was similar to how I've felt when riding a horse.
steam engines eat coal, horses eat hay, but otherwise they're both beasts with a mind of their own
@@thesteelrodent1796 That's why early steam locomotives were often referred to as 'Iron Horses'!
I noticed the similarity too.
Bravo Mr Bowles, we salute your bravery and actions Sir.
What a great story.
Good name for someone who managed to .... contain the situation
Indeed. THAT is heroism - which I define as going far and beyond the duties you signed up for, while placing your life in immediate danger. Bravo, Sir.
I lived in Totteridge 60 odd years ago, the steam trains ran daily to service the coal yards in what are now the car parks of all the stations from High Barnet to East Finchley, and then on Sundays occasional excursion trains to Southend from High Barnet ran.Yes we called them puffing billies, and they used to clank along between Totteridge and Woodside Park. The tube trains were 1938 stock then, with 2 no smoking carriages per train, a guard operating the doors in the last rear carriage, and they made a curious thrumming noise when stopped in stations. Also remember the strange smell referred to as Ozone as they braked between Highgate and Archway.
Yes i remember that smell, i always thought it must of had something to do with the electricity, yes that thumping noise as well.
As a Resident of Nether Street in the 60s and 70s when my daily station was West Finchley, I had never heard this story. Thanks for the information.
As someone who knew well a resident of Nether Street 🙂, I'd never heard it either. Nice to see Gordon Hall still looking well too!
When I saw the title I immediately thought of the incident of the 13th August 2010.
This incident started at Highgate when a makeshift coupling broke and ended at Warren Street where the runaway stopped on the rising gradient.
I remember this as well. Southbound trains ahead of the runaway were instructed to skip all station calls to get out of the way of the runaway...
Yes I remember this coincidentally involving that branch of the northern line! It was this incident I thought Jago was going to talk about
Needs another video.
There's a video about that incident on the Plainly Difficult channel. Worth a look.
That's what I thought as well
I'd never heard this story before. Bowles was such a hero here, top top work. Was relieved to hear Barnet made a full recovery and no one else was hurt.
Great video!
I recall being told to make a "brake application" on the Great Central Driving Experience Day whilst driving an 8F. The supervising driver was obviously unimpressed, as he said, "slightly more brake", then "more brake", then "I'll take it from here"!
Fantastic - may I ask where? One thing the travelling public really don't understand (nor have need to) is the finesse required to correctly brake a loco + coaches - and frankly, it's a skill that's decreasing among more modern stock, which older hands indeed find "boring"!
I fondly recall sitting behind the driver in an elderly (even then) Class 107, on a run from Chester to the Wirral. He'd left the blinds up and I was fascinated to see how he braked - made it look easy but smooth applications, no subsequent adjustments, complete mastery of his train and route. Total craftsmanship.
@TomCro73 It was many years ago on The Great Central Railway heritage line, Leicestershire. As the coaches were empty, we were allowed to travel at 40mph. It was an exhilarating - and as you say, physical - experience.
I too recall travelling behind the driver of a 1st generation DMU whilst he had the blind up when I was a boy. I was fascinated. I think if I hadn't gone to university, I would have definitely been a train driver. Perhaps it's still not too late??
This is the kind of story I needed after a long, hard day.
I grew up at High Barnet and remember that, in the 1950s and early 60s every station except West Finchley had a coal yard. These were supplied by coal trains hauled by N2s that ran from Finsbury Park several times a week and had to fit in between the Underground trains.
Missed an opportunity to joke about the feasibility of driverless trains on the Tube.
Though another RUclips channel has done just that about the runaway which did happen on the Northern Line under LT auspices at Archway in 2010 - an engineers train that ran through 6 stations with other trains being frantically told to miss out stops to keep ahead of it! The unintentional driverless train - sounds unbelievable, but true.
@@iankemp1131 Do you remember what YT channel it was?
@@Jasper_4444 It was "Plainly Difficult" and is actually entitled London's Accidental Driverless Train 2010. (It was also reported on the BBC and other media at the time and an official accident report was written because of the potential danger.)
Runaway train I was on, was a central line train whos automatic systems failed to stop the train at a station, somewhere Between North Acton and Greenford (I think). The train not only failed to stop but accelerated, with the carriage jostling relatively violently. Somewhere between stations, the driver intervened, with the train coming to an abrupt stop. The driver then apologised to passengers that missed their station and explained in child like terms what had happened. What stuck in my mind was the fear the speed as it accelerated might derail the darned thing. 😮
spunds more like the automatic brake trippers were utilized: they pop up if a grain goes through a signal like yours did…it’s the only way the train could have stopped if the driver couldn’t stop it from their controls
Do you happen to remember the date? Was it fairly recent?
Any fear you had of the train possibly derailing might be in vain because 1: that stretch of line is pretty much straight; 2: as someone who travels on that stretch of line every day you wouldn’t have to worry about it crashing into another train because the frequency between trains would be the savinggrace
I loved the final shot through the window leaving the station. You haven't lost your flair for cinematography, or whatever its called with mobile 'phones'!
Well it can't be "phonography", Edison's estate would be in uproar! 😂
Phonematography? Nah, that sounds like something to do with phonemes...
Cinematelephony?
Lack of Money is described in your videos as much as Yerkes 😂
To come home to a picture of an N2 in photographic grey is something you don’t see every day. A railway disaster with a happy ending is something LTC Rolt somehow never achieved! Thank you for both and for a superb video!
Whilst Rolt didn’t, the Awdrys happily did.
Come to think of it though, no engine in the official RWS canon was ever based on an N2.
Not quite true about Mr Rolt. The runaway at Braysdown Colliery in Somerset in 1936 damaged a lot of rolling stock and other railway equipment, but there were no deaths or injuries. And the collision at Aynho in 1852 was something of a farce too.
I had been out. There was a long list of videos in the notifications box, each more doom, gloom and disaster. Then a story about a runaway train, thank goodness. A bit of fun, a bit of history and some pictures of some trains. Perfect. Just what I needed.
Hey Jago - High Barnet is my local Tube station ! If I'd known you were in "the manor" I'd have bought you a cuppa - and maybe even a cake too !! 😎
This. If you're ever in Worcester, Jago...
This felt like a Jago Hazzard version of a Thomas the Tank Engine episode, complete with confusion and delay.
All that’s missing is Ned the N2 Engine saying ‘I’VE GOT TO STOP, I’VE GOT TO STOP!’ as he raced down the line.
Love your gentle sarcasm and general humour 😬
I used to use T&W station for about eighteen months a little while ago, when an estate gardener and have heard something about this incident in the past but knew nothing really, so it is really great to get more detail. thanx. I now volunteer at a community garden since retiring and we have our own trainset at the bottom, as our garden is on a slope. It's a goods branch between the main line out of Kings X and the North London Line ¦:¬)
Blimey Jago i half expected to hear Michael Holiday singing 'The Runaway Train' in this Puffing tale from the Tube!
Marc in Bletchley G6XEG
Fascinating.
Having been born and raised in Finchley I found this video particularly interesting. As a child of the 1950’s it was the 1938 stock that I was used to and as a child I well remember watching steam haul good trains passing under the road bridge at Finchley Central and heading up the Mill Hill East branch. Before I was born I understand my grandfather used to take the train to work in the city from Finchley that went ‘over the top’ to Finsbury Park and change for Moorgate.
Train on fire at Totteridge, passengers alight at Kings Cross.
I can surmise that the water sloshing back would have caused more steam to condense and in effect create a vacuum which suck even more water back up the tubes.Which in turn forces the steam back into the smokebox and back through the pipes to the firebox. You'd have thought somebody would have thought of that and put some sort of valves in to prevent it... .
Adds new meaning to the train reaching the Terminal.
Another absolutely wonderful video Jago!!
Is there any other kind of Jago video? 🙂
"...someone in the comments will"
Oh Jago, you know us so well.
gentle suggestion to the Locomotive... i love that...
I’m a Ex northern line driver, Drove the 1959, 1972 stock trains and had the pleasure to drive the old red 1938 stock. I can tell you a few story’s that happened in my time of service.😳
I'm fairly sure I am not alone in being absolutely fine with stories being shared. Don't suppose you have a helpfully alliterative name, like the late District Dave?
@@CharityAngelSpectrum Not me. I was based at Mordon.
@@blackydonadopt a pen name, a _nom de plume!_
Morden Morty, perhaps?
@@ShadowDragon8685 It’s Blacky.
@blackydon well it is _now,_ but if you want to tell stories under a pen name that alliterates with Mordon, you cab _have another,_ too.
Hell, go back for elevenses and write _thrilling crime novels_ under a third pen name! We won't judge you.
I think you should have mentioned that in the 13th century Totteridge was actually known as Tararidge.I thought I'd mention this before some of your more pedantic viewers pick up on this very unfortunate omission.
Yes yes yes alright but what rolling stock was in use in those days?
I should confess that following a pleasant encounter with Tara, t'was my ancestor that arranged for the name change - on the grounds that she was "Top Totter". Her father wasn't impressed; he was one of the original "gunners".
When I was a young guard at east Finchley depot motormen told me about a 38 stock that didn't have the rail anchor attached and ended up down the embankment at Barnet sidings ending up on the road
I am a Barnetonian born and bred in High Barnet in 1949.So this is interesting to me thanks.One of my grandads drove the northern line tube based in the 1940s and retired in the 1950s at High Barnet.
Many many moons ago my father tried to stop s runaway. A diesel electric train was left at Caterham station with the motor running and brakes not applied. It started to move itself and headed north.
My dad was a goods yard supervisor at Norwood Junction and, notified of the approaching runaway, attempted to board as it past but it was too fast. That failed, dad suggested directing it up hill towards Crystal Palace and send a shunting diesel up behind to stop it rolling back the way it came. Quite a tricky manoeuvre 😯
Instead, the powers that be decided to let it hit the buffers at Norwood Junction's dead end platform.
Jago: "In fact with the safety systems in place on modern trains it's actually pretty hard to get a train to run away."
M>Train, Melbourne, 2003: "Hold my beer (whilst I go and take a leak)!"
Great story thanks for Sharing that information.😮
Thank you for another great video, a run away success
Excellent as always - just over 100 years ago. This is my local railway. The incident took place on August 17th 1924 but it wasn't the only runaway train incident that year - there was the more serious Highgate Tunnel disaster further down the line.
The one I'll always remember was the 1994 Piccadilly Line northbound out of KX which zipped through Caledonian Road and only came to a stop just outside Holloway Road. To this day I can't see Caledonian Road on the tube map without thinking about it; and in 2019 I made a special if circuitous trip specifically to ride the Picc on that stretch of track.
The description of the LNER as "Poor but honest." Is certainly a fitting one.
It's more than you can say about most operators these days too.
Indeed. The "rubbish service" of trains running 2 stations apart is something we on today's GN inner suburban route can but dream about!
Reminds me of a similar thing to a runaway train, when in February '75 Leslie Newson fell on the dead man's handle and accelerated the train into a dead end tunnel at Moorgate, platform 9.
Quite recently the northern line had a runaway train, it was an engineering train that became uncoupled and went backwards, a passenger train was ordered to slip stations, luckily the up and down hills, it came to a fault.
I'd like to thank my donors on coffee and patreon and here on RUclips. You are the 3rd and 4th rail to my underfunded Steam dependant northern line😂
Ah, that is funny. I am also often on coffee when I check out these videos.
You channel is top class Boys Own magazine stuff what a tale you talk and it's all true but it leads me a'thinking with all the heritage steam about our green and pleasant land could a steam train today set of by its self.
Never knew about this, and Woodside Park is my "home" station (from childhood, not today). I also know Nether Street very well. 😮
A very exiting story, combined with exiting footage.
Thank you for the scary history lesson which I imagined in my head as you told it Jago!!! 🤔😉🚂🚂🚂
One day with my club, we were riding on the narrow gauge railway. Most of us were in the last two coaches, but some including me were in the third coach from the end. We were going down hill when one of the train crew rush to the other side of our coach. We look back and saw last two coaches, several feet behind us. Luckily there was a nother member of the train crew in the last two coaches who used hand brake.
No one was hurt and only lost was broken coupling.
Thank you
There was a runaway train incident during WW2 on the south coast of England. The Army had taken charge of a local train during the preparation for a visit of the King. Unfortunately the brake wheel had been removed by the civil footplate crew (to report a fault with the knurled inner face) and Private Pike was unable to bring the locomotive and train to a halt but did so eventually.
It looks as if your cheeky reference to that beloved '70s sitcom has received no notice yet, so here's a hearty "Haha" from a Yank in love with Walmington-on-Sea's Home Guard! "The Royal Train" is among my favorite Dad's Army episodes. I was saddened to hear Ian Lavender died this past February. 77 is too young an age to go, these days!
A stirring tale of how a brave man, doing his duty, averted disaster. The catastrophes we failed to avert were that £40 then is over a grand now and the fact that "a brave man, doing his duty" now sounds so quaint, and, you know, so l a s t c e n t u r y.
Indeed. Never forget John Axon GC, who perished attempting something similar near Chapel-en-le-Frith in 1957. (And yes - did Mr Bowles ever receive an award? There was no GC or GM in his day, but surely there was something appropriate.)
2:28 Well then (not an engineer but a student) challenge accepted!
Surging into the pipes probably disrupted the vacuum effect in the smokebox. The condensing system likely wasn’t active on this open-air branch, but whatever air was in the pipes was probably pushed out by the surge of water, thus making the exhaust steam from the cylinders flow back through the boiler tubes instead of out the chimney. This also pushed hot air in the tubes towards the firebox.
Firebox doors were often left open to increase the amount of air for combustion, on top of the air drawn in through the bottom of the firebox. Steam engines work on a positive feedback loop, in that exhausted steam from the cylinders blasting out the chimney draws more air in through the firebox. It’s why condensing engines can’t work for long periods, in addition to heating up water to make the injectors inoperable, the system is essentially the same as a locomotive holding its breath while doing work. In this regard, steam locomotives perform better as their speed climbs (to a certain point). Here however, the engine’s acceleration continued to send a decent amount of hot steam into the cab. Running out of steam wasn’t really an option either as the exhaust steam was still hot flowing backwards through the tubes, which in turn would keep water boiling without any coal added to the fire.
Surging water is usually a problem for side-tank engines at high speed too, hence the later bouncing as the engine picked up speed. An N2 engine in theory is more stable at higher speed as the cylinders are in between the frames. For comparison, a Metropolitan A class has outside cylinders; good for torque needed to accelerate between stations but not good as good for stability at speed. Still, the issue with side tanks is that as water is used up, there more room for it to slosh around, which in turn can make the engine start lurching. Subpar track quality can make this oscillation even worse, and given the reputation of this service at the time…more than likely.
1:95 "... more like making a gentle suggestion to the locomotive, rather than actually operating it" - ah, the mystique of the steam engine. It's why they started giving them names to remove the anonymity of a number. "Firefly", "Vigilance", "Perseverance" (but whose?).
Depends on where the waste steam is fed back into the tanks from. If direct from the cylinders, then no issues, other than the smoke still goes up the chimney. But if it's from the smokebox, then the blowback goes straight through the fire tubes into the firebox and blasts the contents of the firebox onto the footplate. What's inside the boiler is, effectively, a big bath of very hot water producing steam in the dome halfway along the boiler. The steam is then fed to the cylinders with a slider in the steam chest feeding it either to the front or rear of the piston, with the one on the other side halfway out of synch, so one piston being pushed by the expanding steam clears the other, then it returns the favour, and the entire shebang repeats but the other way around. There's various gubbins around the top, valve gear, controlling the amount and timing, so it can also run backwards.
Fantastic video sir.
I am in my 60’s and commuted on the underground in the 1970’s. I still use the underground from time to time. Why therefore have I never heard of “Totteridge and Whetstone”! 🥴
Yes I did enjoy it. Jolly good yarn o' boy :)
Totteridge and Whetstone is the station local to my grandpa so was the one we'd always use if we visited him and then went into central London
Great story well told
Ooh That was thrilling stuff.
Thought I'd got the wrong channel for a moment.
Cheers for another close call.
There are loads of runaway trains everyday, they runaway every time a passenger runs down the platform to get them! 🤣
I hear that “making a suggestion to the locomotive” I was firing a very old L&Y once and openly pleading with her on the footplate to behave 😂
I’ve only driven a steam loco once, on a small siding on the vale of rheidol railway at their devils bridge station. Put it this way, there’s a reason I am not a train driver 😆
wow a fantastic peace of Railway history Ace £40/10 S!! Drinks are on the Firemen 😂
Wonderful script. Well delivered.
Jon Pertwee sang The Runaway Train on a Music for Pleasure single we had a very very long time ago.
There's a swear word removed I never noticed! and the ugly duckling was on the other side. I was shocked to see the single cover and remember it at 56 years old...
"The runaway train came over the hill and she blew!"?? In this case the system blew (back) first!!! 😧😅
Makes me wonder who wrote that / what the roots of that song are as its enough to scare impressionable children off trains for life. Thank goodness my father got me interested in trains before I ever heard it...
God, he must have been hard up.
You say there's no way a runaway train could happen in modern times. See: 2010 driverless train on the Northern line. A problem with towing a broken down train, the runaway was released near archway? and rolled all the way back down the Northern line.
Plus it should never have happened even then with continuous brakes throughput the train -what was the guard doing?!
A Dry-roasted Fire-Man. A very brave and lucky man. So glad to hear that he did not suffer the fate of John Axon GC(Post.)
“Judging his moment, Bowles scrambled into the cab and screwed the brake hard on.
At last N2 stopped - both he and Bowles were very relieved!”
I know that Christopher Awdry was more inspired by the Jazz trains apparently when he wrote “The Runaway”, but I did notice some parallels between this incident and the Thomas tale. Thankfully, the as-yet-uninvented helicopter wasn’t needed in this instance.
Also, was fully expecting this video to mention the track machine that broke away at Highgate or somewhere and ran down the southbound line for several stations before coming to rest on a grade at Mornington Crescent. Footage from the control room’s tracker screen showed how close it came to running into another train.
Pleasantly, we get another historical tale instead. Reminds me of a line in JH’s “What is Thomas” video: “People complain about train services now but it seems that things used to be a lot more hair-raising”.
One of the songs off my latest album, fourteeen years, is called Runaway Train. It's about the classic philosophical dilemma of whether you allow a runaway to plough into a hundred people by doing nothing or whether you kill fifty people by the action of diverting the train onto a different line.
I rode behind dozens of those engines in my school days, but I had no idea that they could behave like that (I probably wouldn't have minded if mine had charged past my school stop!).
Dont worry, there is a sharp curve just before East Finchley station. The train would have jumped the rails and smashed into an electricity sub station that probably hadn't been built yet.
I love the word "Sloshed"
Fascinating as ever.
1924, my grandparents were teenagers back then 😊
"It sometimes feels like making a gentle suggestion to the locomotive" - you're talking about injectors, surely. The Lucas electrics of the steam world. Always work perfectly when you don't need them...
Ah Lucas! The Prince of Darkness.
I used to maintain my late parents' Austin A40, Morris Minor and Austin Metro and I have since 1986 owned a 1979 Leyland Sherpa, all with Lucas electrics except for the Ducellier distributor on the Metro. What is supposed to be wrong with Lucas electrics? They don't often go wrong and if they do you can repair them yourself at very low cost.
Piping hot full of interesting facts, says an appreciative ...120 psi LeviNZ.
You would think the LNER could be bothered to put up a plaque honouring Bowles's bravery, perhaps at West Finchley station. TFL, it's not too late!
amazing story, well told. thanks
My aunt & uncle, at the time resident in Catford SE6, helped in the rail crash there. How about an episode about that incident? I know it's not the tube but it ties in with this one.
Great story thanks JH
Excellent narration ✌️
Remember when you dragged your feet about electrification? Totteridge Farm remembers...
"There was only one man who had the slightest hope of saving the day... Charles Tyson Yerkes" - or at least that's what I was expecting.
Nice one Jago 👍
"The line to High Barnet was slow and unreliable"... some things never change!
dorking in a round about fashion on the subject of that station… totteridge I had by chance to meet a certain young lady… in party mode some years ago was that a diversion…. 🎵
A scalding tale from the tube...very good.
It says a lot about a railway when its best improvement in speed is to violently eject its operators overboard.
A campaign for a plaque at the bridge they stopped at shop be in order!
Just to jump in before anyone suggests that the crew could have broken the brake pipe to get the train to stop, speaking as a heritage railway diesel driver the vacuum pipes are very robust with two specific "clasps" (one at the bottom and one at the top) to keep the pipe together though in theory this could be forced open, the two "French pins" which are then used to secure them together cannot :/
While I've sadly never had the pleasure of driving a steam locomotive I have managed to have numerous footplate rides and believe me even when I'm in the comfort of my diesel locomotive I am still very wary of the "kettle's" intentions when we are running double headed, for I have had many a trip where the steamer has surprised me somehow :) Also speaking as a volunteer loco fitter, the loco's extra piping is a very creative idea which probably would have worked had they used non-return valves or check-valves to prevent water from sloshing too far forward. Incidentally I recall an incident where I was driving a Class 37 which was top & tailed with a steamer and following our several mile journey was given a chewing out by the steam driver for my "exuberant" driving style as when I was thrashing said 37 away from stations (it is a legal requirement to thrash the tits off a 37 as I'm sure you will know) it was causing the steamers water to slosh forward and away from the fire, unbeknownst to me there is a fuse there which if burnt through causes the water tank to drop onto the fire as a safety device... For the record we don't often work the same train as steamers, this was a special event and was done to assist the steamer with a heavy load and to also cut out a runaround and mean we could run more services, lesson learned - the next lesson was that a certain rare surviving steamer has "modified proportionality" braking but that's a story for another day...
This line has a very tight curve going south just before Finchley Central. I have a feeling that if it had approached said curve going too fast, then it must have derailed, and although this would have stopped the runaway, it would not have been pretty.
Reminded of the recent runaway train where the train it was catching only just made it out of the way. The driver asked all the passengers to get into the front coach
I thought this was gonna be the story about the engineering train that ran away on the Northern Line not too long ago. There is CCTV footage of it running through Camden Town if you wanna check it out.
This was a good one!
Talking about Runaway Trains I thought you were going to take us back to 1993.
The events sounds like a darker episode of ‘Thomas the Tank Engine’.
Events like these were the basis for quite a few stories. One Season 2 episode had a similar near-miss with a passenger train. A runaway freight very nearly ran into a departing passenger train, but slowed enough to take a siding…and crash into a barber shop.
I was reminded of The Runaway (also from S2), where Thomas manages to do just that because the relief fireman left his rather stiff handbrake off (and his regulator open apparently), and an Inspector has to swing onboard and screw on the brakes. Man, the Inspectors on Sodor do some absolutely mad stuff when trains go wrong…
A Close Shave, the incident you mention, was based on an incident that happened in Hull; the engine overran the buffers and nestled itself happily in the wall of a concourse barber shop. Whether or not it was trying to stop a broken-away goods train causing a bigger disaster, like Duck was in A Close Shave, escapes me (it probably wasn’t).
After dark Jago talking about the bucking locomotive and Nether regions...