Runaway Train on the Northern Line
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I witnessed a runaway train many years ago. It was a class 25 (remember those?) and was pulling many empty (thankfully) 15t coal wagons. I watched as it rounded the curve in the distance and realised it shouldn't be there as the points I was near to were not set for it. The sight of it as it failed to negotiate the junction was a sight I will never forget. The noise of the wagons as they piled up behind it was not a noise I can accurately describe. The only saving grace was the fact it was my Hornby train set.
👌🏼🤣
Thoughts and prayers to the plasticville residents around the accident site 🙏
He had us in the first half, I’m not gonna lie
Where did they bury the survivors?
@@lawrencelewis2592 Thankfully there was nobody in the cab, and no civilians injured as they had been removed to be painted...
“Smut belching puffing billies” will be my go-to insult from now on.
Smut Belching Billeted Puffin sounds better...😉
@stanislavkostarnov2157 what, pray tell, IS a Billeted Puffin anyway? 😂😂
@@alanclarke4646presumably it refers to places commandeered for puffins to live.
@@MrMWRMWR excellent, I love puffins! ( Not, it must be noted, as food ).
A term that can be applied to most politicians.
If it was a runaway high speed train, it’d be a FugiTGV. I’m here all week.
Call your agent.
Ouch!! 😂😂😂
"just a guy on youtube" yes but one who knows his onions.
You mean trains, this isn't a veg channel 😂😂
@@alanclarke4646James May once made a video on making a shepherd's pie, I could totally see Jago doing it on his second!
Not to mention his Charles Tyson Yerkes….
@alanclarke4646 oh I don't know, I can spend hours vegging out on Jago's videos. 😅
No room for modesty, I’m always singing your praises to my London based friends who use the Underground every day and, thanks to my recommendations, they have subscribed to your great channel.
The description of operating a steam train was similar to how I've felt when riding a horse.
steam engines eat coal, horses eat hay, but otherwise they're both beasts with a mind of their own
@@thesteelrodent1796 That's why early steam locomotives were often referred to as 'Iron Horses'!
I noticed the similarity too.
"You are the generous whip-round to my concussed head"
Bravo Mr Bowles, we salute your bravery and actions Sir.
What a great story.
Good name for someone who managed to .... contain the situation
Indeed. THAT is heroism - which I define as going far and beyond the duties you signed up for, while placing your life in immediate danger. Bravo, Sir.
Missed an opportunity to joke about the feasibility of driverless trains on the Tube.
Though another RUclips channel has done just that about the runaway which did happen on the Northern Line under LT auspices at Archway in 2010 - an engineers train that ran through 6 stations with other trains being frantically told to miss out stops to keep ahead of it! The unintentional driverless train - sounds unbelievable, but true.
@@iankemp1131 Do you remember what YT channel it was?
@@Jasper_4444 It was "Plainly Difficult" and is actually entitled London's Accidental Driverless Train 2010. (It was also reported on the BBC and other media at the time and an official accident report was written because of the potential danger.)
I lived in Totteridge 60 odd years ago, the steam trains ran daily to service the coal yards in what are now the car parks of all the stations from High Barnet to East Finchley, and then on Sundays occasional excursion trains to Southend from High Barnet ran.Yes we called them puffing billies, and they used to clank along between Totteridge and Woodside Park. The tube trains were 1938 stock then, with 2 no smoking carriages per train, a guard operating the doors in the last rear carriage, and they made a curious thrumming noise when stopped in stations. Also remember the strange smell referred to as Ozone as they braked between Highgate and Archway.
Yes i remember that smell, i always thought it must of had something to do with the electricity, yes that thumping noise as well.
Runaway train I was on, was a central line train whos automatic systems failed to stop the train at a station, somewhere Between North Acton and Greenford (I think). The train not only failed to stop but accelerated, with the carriage jostling relatively violently. Somewhere between stations, the driver intervened, with the train coming to an abrupt stop. The driver then apologised to passengers that missed their station and explained in child like terms what had happened. What stuck in my mind was the fear the speed as it accelerated might derail the darned thing. 😮
spunds more like the automatic brake trippers were utilized: they pop up if a grain goes through a signal like yours did…it’s the only way the train could have stopped if the driver couldn’t stop it from their controls
Do you happen to remember the date? Was it fairly recent?
Any fear you had of the train possibly derailing might be in vain because 1: that stretch of line is pretty much straight; 2: as someone who travels on that stretch of line every day you wouldn’t have to worry about it crashing into another train because the frequency between trains would be the savinggrace
When I saw the title I immediately thought of the incident of the 13th August 2010.
This incident started at Highgate when a makeshift coupling broke and ended at Warren Street where the runaway stopped on the rising gradient.
I remember this as well. Southbound trains ahead of the runaway were instructed to skip all station calls to get out of the way of the runaway...
Yes I remember this coincidentally involving that branch of the northern line! It was this incident I thought Jago was going to talk about
Needs another video.
There's a video about that incident on the Plainly Difficult channel. Worth a look.
I recall being told to make a "brake application" on the Great Central Driving Experience Day whilst driving an 8F. The supervising driver was obviously unimpressed, as he said, "slightly more brake", then "more brake", then "I'll take it from here"!
Fantastic - may I ask where? One thing the travelling public really don't understand (nor have need to) is the finesse required to correctly brake a loco + coaches - and frankly, it's a skill that's decreasing among more modern stock, which older hands indeed find "boring"!
I fondly recall sitting behind the driver in an elderly (even then) Class 107, on a run from Chester to the Wirral. He'd left the blinds up and I was fascinated to see how he braked - made it look easy but smooth applications, no subsequent adjustments, complete mastery of his train and route. Total craftsmanship.
@TomCro73 It was many years ago on The Great Central Railway heritage line, Leicestershire. As the coaches were empty, we were allowed to travel at 40mph. It was an exhilarating - and as you say, physical - experience.
I too recall travelling behind the driver of a 1st generation DMU whilst he had the blind up when I was a boy. I was fascinated. I think if I hadn't gone to university, I would have definitely been a train driver. Perhaps it's still not too late??
As a Resident of Nether Street in the 60s and 70s when my daily station was West Finchley, I had never heard this story. Thanks for the information.
As someone who knew well a resident of Nether Street 🙂, I'd never heard it either. Nice to see Gordon Hall still looking well too!
I grew up at High Barnet and remember that, in the 1950s and early 60s every station except West Finchley had a coal yard. These were supplied by coal trains hauled by N2s that ran from Finsbury Park several times a week and had to fit in between the Underground trains.
This is the kind of story I needed after a long, hard day.
I think you should have mentioned that in the 13th century Totteridge was actually known as Tararidge.I thought I'd mention this before some of your more pedantic viewers pick up on this very unfortunate omission.
Yes yes yes alright but what rolling stock was in use in those days?
I should confess that following a pleasant encounter with Tara, t'was my ancestor that arranged for the name change - on the grounds that she was "Top Totter". Her father wasn't impressed; he was one of the original "gunners".
Hey Jago - High Barnet is my local Tube station ! If I'd known you were in "the manor" I'd have bought you a cuppa - and maybe even a cake too !! 😎
This. If you're ever in Worcester, Jago...
I loved the final shot through the window leaving the station. You haven't lost your flair for cinematography, or whatever its called with mobile 'phones'!
Well it can't be "phonography", Edison's estate would be in uproar! 😂
Phonematography? Nah, that sounds like something to do with phonemes...
Cinematelephony?
To come home to a picture of an N2 in photographic grey is something you don’t see every day. A railway disaster with a happy ending is something LTC Rolt somehow never achieved! Thank you for both and for a superb video!
Whilst Rolt didn’t, the Awdrys happily did.
Come to think of it though, no engine in the official RWS canon was ever based on an N2.
Not quite true about Mr Rolt. The runaway at Braysdown Colliery in Somerset in 1936 damaged a lot of rolling stock and other railway equipment, but there were no deaths or injuries. And the collision at Aynho in 1852 was something of a farce too.
I had been out. There was a long list of videos in the notifications box, each more doom, gloom and disaster. Then a story about a runaway train, thank goodness. A bit of fun, a bit of history and some pictures of some trains. Perfect. Just what I needed.
Train on fire at Totteridge, passengers alight at Kings Cross.
I can surmise that the water sloshing back would have caused more steam to condense and in effect create a vacuum which suck even more water back up the tubes.Which in turn forces the steam back into the smokebox and back through the pipes to the firebox. You'd have thought somebody would have thought of that and put some sort of valves in to prevent it... .
Adds new meaning to the train reaching the Terminal.
I used to use T&W station for about eighteen months a little while ago, when an estate gardener and have heard something about this incident in the past but knew nothing really, so it is really great to get more detail. thanx. I now volunteer at a community garden since retiring and we have our own trainset at the bottom, as our garden is on a slope. It's a goods branch between the main line out of Kings X and the North London Line ¦:¬)
JH has great videos that always runs well.....😊😊😊😊
"We all know that the East Riding of Yorkshire Rimswell" - Stuart Ashen.
I’m a Ex northern line driver, Drove the 1959, 1972 stock trains and had the pleasure to drive the old red 1938 stock. I can tell you a few story’s that happened in my time of service.😳
I'm fairly sure I am not alone in being absolutely fine with stories being shared. Don't suppose you have a helpfully alliterative name, like the late District Dave?
@@CharityAngelSpectrum Not me. I was based at Mordon.
@@blackydonadopt a pen name, a _nom de plume!_
Morden Morty, perhaps?
@@ShadowDragon8685 It’s Blacky.
@blackydon well it is _now,_ but if you want to tell stories under a pen name that alliterates with Mordon, you cab _have another,_ too.
Hell, go back for elevenses and write _thrilling crime novels_ under a third pen name! We won't judge you.
Lack of Money is described in your videos as much as Yerkes 😂
Another absolutely wonderful video Jago!!
Is there any other kind of Jago video? 🙂
gentle suggestion to the Locomotive... i love that...
"...someone in the comments will"
Oh Jago, you know us so well.
You say there's no way a runaway train could happen in modern times. See: 2010 driverless train on the Northern line. A problem with towing a broken down train, the runaway was released near archway? and rolled all the way back down the Northern line.
Plus it should never have happened even then with continuous brakes throughput the train -what was the guard doing?!
I'd like to thank my donors on coffee and patreon and here on RUclips. You are the 3rd and 4th rail to my underfunded Steam dependant northern line😂
Ah, that is funny. I am also often on coffee when I check out these videos.
Love your gentle sarcasm and general humour 😬
When I was a young guard at east Finchley depot motormen told me about a 38 stock that didn't have the rail anchor attached and ended up down the embankment at Barnet sidings ending up on the road
Blimey Jago i half expected to hear Michael Holiday singing 'The Runaway Train' in this Puffing tale from the Tube!
Marc in Bletchley G6XEG
Great story thanks for Sharing that information.😮
Thank you for another great video, a run away success
The one I'll always remember was the 1994 Piccadilly Line northbound out of KX which zipped through Caledonian Road and only came to a stop just outside Holloway Road. To this day I can't see Caledonian Road on the tube map without thinking about it; and in 2019 I made a special if circuitous trip specifically to ride the Picc on that stretch of track.
Depends on where the waste steam is fed back into the tanks from. If direct from the cylinders, then no issues, other than the smoke still goes up the chimney. But if it's from the smokebox, then the blowback goes straight through the fire tubes into the firebox and blasts the contents of the firebox onto the footplate. What's inside the boiler is, effectively, a big bath of very hot water producing steam in the dome halfway along the boiler. The steam is then fed to the cylinders with a slider in the steam chest feeding it either to the front or rear of the piston, with the one on the other side halfway out of synch, so one piston being pushed by the expanding steam clears the other, then it returns the favour, and the entire shebang repeats but the other way around. There's various gubbins around the top, valve gear, controlling the amount and timing, so it can also run backwards.
Jon Pertwee sang The Runaway Train on a Music for Pleasure single we had a very very long time ago.
There's a swear word removed I never noticed! and the ugly duckling was on the other side. I was shocked to see the single cover and remember it at 56 years old...
"The runaway train came over the hill and she blew!"?? In this case the system blew (back) first!!! 😧😅
Makes me wonder who wrote that / what the roots of that song are as its enough to scare impressionable children off trains for life. Thank goodness my father got me interested in trains before I ever heard it...
God, he must have been hard up.
Not quite a runaway train but you may have heard of the Lumo crashing over the points too quickly, recently, at Peterborough throwing the overhead luggage about the carriages. The keen eyed will notice the retrofit that is currently going on with the overhead luggage racks on the 800’s or IET or Azumas, call them what you will.
1:95 "... more like making a gentle suggestion to the locomotive, rather than actually operating it" - ah, the mystique of the steam engine. It's why they started giving them names to remove the anonymity of a number. "Firefly", "Vigilance", "Perseverance" (but whose?).
Jago: "In fact with the safety systems in place on modern trains it's actually pretty hard to get a train to run away."
M>Train, Melbourne, 2003: "Hold my beer (whilst I go and take a leak)!"
Many many moons ago my father tried to stop s runaway. A diesel electric train was left at Caterham station with the motor running and brakes not applied. It started to move itself and headed north.
My dad was a goods yard supervisor at Norwood Junction and, notified of the approaching runaway, attempted to board as it past but it was too fast. That failed, dad suggested directing it up hill towards Crystal Palace and send a shunting diesel up behind to stop it rolling back the way it came. Quite a tricky manoeuvre 😯
Instead, the powers that be decided to let it hit the buffers at Norwood Junction's dead end platform.
Fascinating.
Thank you for the scary history lesson which I imagined in my head as you told it Jago!!! 🤔😉🚂🚂🚂
"It sometimes feels like making a gentle suggestion to the locomotive" - you're talking about injectors, surely. The Lucas electrics of the steam world. Always work perfectly when you don't need them...
Ah Lucas! The Prince of Darkness.
Having been born and raised in Finchley I found this video particularly interesting. As a child of the 1950’s it was the 1938 stock that I was used to and as a child I well remember watching steam haul good trains passing under the road bridge at Finchley Central and heading up the Mill Hill East branch. Before I was born I understand my grandfather used to take the train to work in the city from Finchley that went ‘over the top’ to Finsbury Park and change for Moorgate.
Dont worry, there is a sharp curve just before East Finchley station. The train would have jumped the rails and smashed into an electricity sub station that probably hadn't been built yet.
Never knew about this, and Woodside Park is my "home" station (from childhood, not today). I also know Nether Street very well. 😮
A very exiting story, combined with exiting footage.
This line has a very tight curve going south just before Finchley Central. I have a feeling that if it had approached said curve going too fast, then it must have derailed, and although this would have stopped the runaway, it would not have been pretty.
I am a Barnetonian born and bred in High Barnet in 1949.So this is interesting to me thanks.One of my grandads drove the northern line tube based in the 1940s and retired in the 1950s at High Barnet.
The description of the LNER as "Poor but honest." Is certainly a fitting one.
It's more than you can say about most operators these days too.
The events sounds like a darker episode of ‘Thomas the Tank Engine’.
Events like these were the basis for quite a few stories. One Season 2 episode had a similar near-miss with a passenger train. A runaway freight very nearly ran into a departing passenger train, but slowed enough to take a siding…and crash into a barber shop.
I was reminded of The Runaway (also from S2), where Thomas manages to do just that because the relief fireman left his rather stiff handbrake off (and his regulator open apparently), and an Inspector has to swing onboard and screw on the brakes. Man, the Inspectors on Sodor do some absolutely mad stuff when trains go wrong…
A Close Shave, the incident you mention, was based on an incident that happened in Hull; the engine overran the buffers and nestled itself happily in the wall of a concourse barber shop. Whether or not it was trying to stop a broken-away goods train causing a bigger disaster, like Duck was in A Close Shave, escapes me (it probably wasn’t).
Totteridge and Whetstone is the station local to my grandpa so was the one we'd always use if we visited him and then went into central London
Fantastic video sir.
Great story well told
Thank you
Excellent as always - just over 100 years ago. This is my local railway. The incident took place on August 17th 1924 but it wasn't the only runaway train incident that year - there was the more serious Highgate Tunnel disaster further down the line.
Reminds me of a similar thing to a runaway train, when in February '75 Leslie Newson fell on the dead man's handle and accelerated the train into a dead end tunnel at Moorgate, platform 9.
This felt like a Jago Hazzard version of a Thomas the Tank Engine episode, complete with confusion and delay.
All that’s missing is Ned the N2 Engine saying ‘I’VE GOT TO STOP, I’VE GOT TO STOP!’ as he raced down the line.
My aunt & uncle, at the time resident in Catford SE6, helped in the rail crash there. How about an episode about that incident? I know it's not the tube but it ties in with this one.
I rode behind dozens of those engines in my school days, but I had no idea that they could behave like that (I probably wouldn't have minded if mine had charged past my school stop!).
There was a runaway train incident during WW2 on the south coast of England. The Army had taken charge of a local train during the preparation for a visit of the King. Unfortunately the brake wheel had been removed by the civil footplate crew (to report a fault with the knurled inner face) and Private Pike was unable to bring the locomotive and train to a halt but did so eventually.
Ooh That was thrilling stuff.
Thought I'd got the wrong channel for a moment.
Cheers for another close call.
Yes I did enjoy it. Jolly good yarn o' boy :)
Hmm, the passengers raised the price of a couple of pints in a central London pub...
Hi, putting this here as it is your most recent post. An idea for a video - stations which have changed their name the most times. I often travel to Box Hill and Westhumble station and always noted that some of the platform signs say "Box Hill and Westhumble" and some say "Boxhill and Westhumble". According to Wikipedia the names of the station have been -
1867 - West Humble for Box Hill
1870 - Box Hill and Burford Bridge
1896 - Box Hill
1904 - Box Hill and Burford bridge
1958 - Boxhill and Westhumble
2006 - Box Hill and Westhumble
(Source - Wikipedia entry for "Box Hill & Westhumble railway station"
Also, "&" is very often used instead of "and" , including the Wikipedia article !
Locally the name of the area (rather than station) is written as Box Hill although Boxhill is also seen.
Any advances on six ?
Thanks for the content, as ever.
Nothing as dramatic as that, but I had a mild panic after boarding a train at Waterloo East and the announcment suggested the next step was going to be well beyond London Bridge, where I was heading. Luckily it was a technical (?) error on the part of Southeastern, and I got off at London Bridge as planned.
You were lucky to survive!
“Judging his moment, Bowles scrambled into the cab and screwed the brake hard on.
At last N2 stopped - both he and Bowles were very relieved!”
I know that Christopher Awdry was more inspired by the Jazz trains apparently when he wrote “The Runaway”, but I did notice some parallels between this incident and the Thomas tale. Thankfully, the as-yet-uninvented helicopter wasn’t needed in this instance.
Also, was fully expecting this video to mention the track machine that broke away at Highgate or somewhere and ran down the southbound line for several stations before coming to rest on a grade at Mornington Crescent. Footage from the control room’s tracker screen showed how close it came to running into another train.
Pleasantly, we get another historical tale instead. Reminds me of a line in JH’s “What is Thomas” video: “People complain about train services now but it seems that things used to be a lot more hair-raising”.
2:28 Well then (not an engineer but a student) challenge accepted!
Surging into the pipes probably disrupted the vacuum effect in the smokebox. The condensing system likely wasn’t active on this open-air branch, but whatever air was in the pipes was probably pushed out by the surge of water, thus making the exhaust steam from the cylinders flow back through the boiler tubes instead of out the chimney. This also pushed hot air in the tubes towards the firebox.
Firebox doors were often left open to increase the amount of air for combustion, on top of the air drawn in through the bottom of the firebox. Steam engines work on a positive feedback loop, in that exhausted steam from the cylinders blasting out the chimney draws more air in through the firebox. It’s why condensing engines can’t work for long periods, in addition to heating up water to make the injectors inoperable, the system is essentially the same as a locomotive holding its breath while doing work. In this regard, steam locomotives perform better as their speed climbs (to a certain point). Here however, the engine’s acceleration continued to send a decent amount of hot steam into the cab. Running out of steam wasn’t really an option either as the exhaust steam was still hot flowing backwards through the tubes, which in turn would keep water boiling without any coal added to the fire.
Surging water is usually a problem for side-tank engines at high speed too, hence the later bouncing as the engine picked up speed. An N2 engine in theory is more stable at higher speed as the cylinders are in between the frames. For comparison, a Metropolitan A class has outside cylinders; good for torque needed to accelerate between stations but not good as good for stability at speed. Still, the issue with side tanks is that as water is used up, there more room for it to slosh around, which in turn can make the engine start lurching. Subpar track quality can make this oscillation even worse, and given the reputation of this service at the time…more than likely.
One day with my club, we were riding on the narrow gauge railway. Most of us were in the last two coaches, but some including me were in the third coach from the end. We were going down hill when one of the train crew rush to the other side of our coach. We look back and saw last two coaches, several feet behind us. Luckily there was a nother member of the train crew in the last two coaches who used hand brake.
No one was hurt and only lost was broken coupling.
1924, my grandparents were teenagers back then 😊
A stirring tale of how a brave man, doing his duty, averted disaster. The catastrophes we failed to avert were that £40 then is over a grand now and the fact that "a brave man, doing his duty" now sounds so quaint, and, you know, so l a s t c e n t u r y.
Indeed. Never forget John Axon GC, who perished attempting something similar near Chapel-en-le-Frith in 1957. (And yes - did Mr Bowles ever receive an award? There was no GC or GM in his day, but surely there was something appropriate.)
I have a feeling that Christopher Awdry got the idea of this story for His railway series story The Runaway from his book More about Thomas the Tank Engine which was at the same time adapted into an episode from the second series of the TV show
Most, if not all, the Revs original Thomas stories were based on real incidents. Many feature in the book 'Red For Danger'
For some reason I have three copies of “Red for Danger”…
In it Tom Rolt calls steam engines chimneys “funnels” which I think is a hanging offence nowadays, but I don’t think there is a greater power to correct him (although my official driver’s handbook 1958 has chimneys).
That story was inspired by a London commuter train, but one out of Liverpool Street.
@@Themclachlans Interesting, It was always a 'funnel' back in the day, indeed for me it still is - a boiler (any sort) has a funnel, a house has a chimney. Like truck/wagon, consist//rake/train etc. I guess fashions change. Perhaps a video for Jago.. The comments section would be good :-)
Yep a lot of the Awdrys stories were based on real life events and some tv eps were too such as Gordon’s crash in A Better View For Gordon was based on the Montparnasse derailment in 1895.
You would think the LNER could be bothered to put up a plaque honouring Bowles's bravery, perhaps at West Finchley station. TFL, it's not too late!
wow a fantastic peace of Railway history Ace £40/10 S!! Drinks are on the Firemen 😂
There are loads of runaway trains everyday, they runaway every time a passenger runs down the platform to get them! 🤣
Will note the typo in the yellow notice ('ot' rather than 'of') at about 4.44.
Wonderful script. Well delivered.
Talking about Runaway Trains I thought you were going to take us back to 1993.
Quite recently the northern line had a runaway train, it was an engineering train that became uncoupled and went backwards, a passenger train was ordered to slip stations, luckily the up and down hills, it came to a fault.
It was only a few years ago that a tube train failed to stop and ploughed through the buffers into the end wall. If memory serves known as the Moorgate Tube Disaster.
Half a century ago next year.
@@acjdf Tempus fugit, only seems like 15 years ago. Wasn't the Dead Man's Handle changed to a footplate after, the torso being heavy enough to hold the handle down. Reports of the driver slumped forward over the controls. Seem to remember something about Heart Failure.
@@tonys1636 IIRC the question of a medical issue was never resolved conclusively, because the clearup took so long and it was so hot in the tunnel that the driver's body was, sadly, already decomposing by the time they got to it, so an autopsy was useless.
@@jaakkomantyjarvi7515 Establishing the cause would be plainly difficult.
@@jaakkomantyjarvi7515 Forensic Post Mortem examinations have come a long way in 50 years, today would be possible.
Fascinating as ever.
Great story thanks JH
I thought this was gonna be the story about the engineering train that ran away on the Northern Line not too long ago. There is CCTV footage of it running through Camden Town if you wanna check it out.
"the controls on a steam locomotive can be temperamental. Speaking from personal experience, it sometimes feels more like you're making a gentle suggestion to the locomotive then actually operating it." Sounds a lot like trying to run the TARDIS.
One morning I was getting my train to London Bridge Northern Line ; instead of stopping it went no stop to Kennington ; which messed up my journey . Later I found out a train was runaway on the Hampstead gradient and that seems to have been behind us , the time scale seems to fit .
Was that the August 2010 incident when an engineers train ran away out of control from Archway in the morning? It ran through 6 stations and trains ahead of it were told not to stop to keep ahead of it.
@@iankemp1131 yes I was working early so I was caught up in it . They never explained anything
@@AnthonyBrown12324 Yes, I think they were pretty embarrassed about it. And the Railway Inspectorate certainly took a very dim view. It could easily have been disastrous without the prompt action of staff on the ground.
@@iankemp1131 yes I was at the front of the train ; presumably it was behind us . Accidents are usually a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time . I was just a little late for work .
I love the word "Sloshed"
There is a huge elephant in the room here - the fireman was NOT the only person who could stop the train. The guard would have full control of the brakes and could apply them. Did he not notice they had run through two stations without stopping? Admittedly the engine was on full regulator on a downgrade, but even so the brakes along the entire train should overcome that. So why didn't he act? A parallel case was Chapel-en-le-Frith in 1957 when a steam pipe burst in the cab of a freight train. The difference there was that it wasn't a passenger train and did not have continuous brakes, and the guard's handbrake couldn't stop it. Driver John Axon stayed on the engine to try to warn others and was posthumously awarded the George Cross, and British Rail engines were named after him.
I looked in the Railways Archive accident reports for 1924 - normally an excellent source - but nothing is shown, presumably because no actual accident happened. However because of the resulting risks it would no doubt have been reported to the Board of Trade (like a similar near miss on the Highland Railway at Achterneed in 1897 which led to the final demise of mixed trains with no automatic continuous brake).
@@iankemp1131 That sounds rum. I thought EVERY mishap had to be investigated, no matter how trivial (and allowing a whole locomotive class with a known defect of that sort to continue in service smacks of outright negligence).
@@Krzyszczynski Good point. I'm not sure what the cut-off point was for (a) the railway reporting incidents and (b) whether an accident report was required. I had expected this one to fall under (a) and (b) but maybe it was only (a). I wonder what Jago's original sources are for this incident.
@@Krzyszczynski I think this is a potential problem for any condensing locomotive, so would not rule out their use. In the same way, any steam engine could (and did) suffer blowbacks e.g. if a firetube collapsed, and it was quite common that an engine with an overfilled boiler couldn't close the regulator due to water carryover - it "got hold of the water". If there was an accident report I would still want to see what the Inspector said about the mysterious inaction of the guard.
I hear that “making a suggestion to the locomotive” I was firing a very old L&Y once and openly pleading with her on the footplate to behave 😂
A serious question that I _could_ look up the answer to, but would rather post here to help the algorithm. Was there a guard on the train? If so, could he have applied the brake?
Agreed. And surely the passengers would have pulled the cord to operate the emergency brakes. I think that all passenger trains would have had continuous brakes by this time.
@@simonwright2220 Pulling the communication cord doesn't fully apply the brakes, it just introduces a reduction in vacuum that the driver (or guard) will (hopefully) notice and stop to investigate.
"There was only one man who had the slightest hope of saving the day... Charles Tyson Yerkes" - or at least that's what I was expecting.
A scalding tale from the tube...very good.
And she blew
Woo woo
🎵🎶 I sang that too !
You channel is top class Boys Own magazine stuff what a tale you talk and it's all true but it leads me a'thinking with all the heritage steam about our green and pleasant land could a steam train today set of by its self.
One of the songs off my latest album, fourteeen years, is called Runaway Train. It's about the classic philosophical dilemma of whether you allow a runaway to plough into a hundred people by doing nothing or whether you kill fifty people by the action of diverting the train onto a different line.
Reminded of the recent runaway train where the train it was catching only just made it out of the way. The driver asked all the passengers to get into the front coach
amazing story, well told. thanks
Hoping for a haunted tube vid at Halloween 👻
Nice one Jago 👍