@@thedailylogger Working at freezing in a trail into the block. Hopefully I'll be able to start cutting in a few days. The weather just hasn't been cold enough yet. Going into a nice stand of decent wood with almost no underbrush on flat ground. Happy holidays to you as well.
@@davidgibbons5366 Copy. I remember that process. Seems as though that may be kinda late in the season for it still not to be froze up? But maybe with things changing the way they are maybe it's about normal. Sounds like a a creamy unit though, hope it goes well. Sure makes a difference when the ground is clean. The domestic markets here are tightening up fairly precipitously, hopefully it's just a short correction to account for the time of the year. Let's keep our fingers crossed that the economy can hang together for us! Always good to hear from you, good cuttin to ya!
@@thedailylogger Freeze up often doesn't come till after Christmas but occasionally early December. Today hit 9 Celcious with above freezing temperatures for the next 2 weeks. I spent yesterday cutting and placing a cordoury road across a swamp. Nothing to do now but wait for cold.... hopefully!
@@davidgibbons5366 Thinking back I can remember that as well, Thanksgiving was always kind of a mess and it really wasn't until first of the year that things would harden up. Toward the end of my logging in New England with my own outfit we were putting up chipwood cold decks, about a 100 loads or more of the nonmerch before bringing the chipper in. I can remember more than once chipping 24 or 48 hours straight through when the winter would turn fickle on us and warm up when we were back on a frozen haul road. Good luck on it to you, best wishes for a good New Year!
That sounds like good timber! About the best yield we ever get around here is planted white pine at around 40k an acre but it is rare. I have seen poplar at 30k per acre but it won't remain consistent throughout the tract. Once upon a time as a young man of about 24 or 25 I cut and trimmed 139,000 international feet of natural growth white pine in 3.5 days. It stood on 10 acres. That was before we even had a delimber. That is the most I ever hand cut in a short time frame. Lots of the trees on that tract were over 1k feet. These young guys coming up now think I am lying when I tell them I used to average 4 million feet a year international with a chainsaw before we had cutters. I guess when all they have ever done is ran a machine it is hard to comprehend...lol. That's some good looking work! Stay safe and have a Merry Christmas!!
Yeah, it was a beautiful unit. It will be interesting to see how it logs out. You probably do the same thing while you're cutting, I just get a feel for a volume as I work through a stand. Generally I'm pretty close. I prefer the unthinned portions, even though they are tougher ground, because there are more pieces. The wood definitely responded to the thinning though, less trees per acre but they were fat. Volume per acre out here in particular depends on height first I think, then stocking, then size. 140 on 10 acres sounds like good wood, and good production too, especially handlogging! I can remember being able to kick ass like that too! International rule favors the small, short log, we generally are Scribner out here which favors larger diameter long logs. I can remember averaging 7000 a load International of small diameter Spruce, 2 tiers of 16's. The area this unit is in was the blast zone of the volcano, about 70,000 acres were blown down in one form or another, salvaged and replanted. I think they planted almost 20 million seedlings! Much of it was then thinned and its all getting ripe now. Pretty impressive to see, and even better to work in! Thanks for the note, hope you have a good holiday!
@@thedailylogger I don't know of anyone who buys on scribner here, not sure why that is? It's either Doyle or International. Doyle favors big diameter as well. Doyle only pays off in really good timber. Not many mills buy on Doyle around here and we avoid those that do at all costs...lol. We haul on tri axles with pups and 90k gross is legal here so in pine where we cut a lot 16' and can double row our 8 footers we can usually haul about 6,500 ft international.. Merry Christmas to you and yours!
@@timberslasher4899 That's interesting. I don't remember ever running across a mill using Doyle when I was logging in New England. Tri-axle and three axle pup was the common truck set-up and the contractor who hauled my wood also ran a lot of what we called slasher rack triaxle trailers, set up for pulp, they'd slash it at the yard on the trailer prior to slinging it off. Always interesting to me to get details of how fellow loggers get it done. Have a good week!
@@thedailylogger yessir it sure is different everywhere. Tractor trailer is king around here but we do the rougher jobs that pay more and we can get in a lot of places where they can't.
@@timberslasher4899 Copy, those truck and pup combos do get around well. Do you run a loader on the rear of the truck or do you load with your loader at the landing?
Thank you and the same to you! Stay warm and safe, seems like the whole country is going to get hammered with this storm. I'm going to try to get in another day of cutting today, but if it's too nasty I'll call it a week. Thanks!
Jason, so nice to meet you yesterday at summit. Keep the content coming. Love it as always. You’ve really helped me relating the bunching I’ve done down south to the west coast way.
Heck yeah! I enjoyed meeting you too! First time meeting someone who recognized me from the videos, so I was a little taken aback. Glad the videos are worthwhile to you, that's really why we are doing it so it's good to see that they are having an impact. Good luck to ya, look forward to running into you again in the future. Hope your trip back east didn't get hammered on too hard by the storm. Be safe!
@@thedailylogger well glad to be the first one to recognize you. I’ve picked up on a lot of stuff from watching your content. So thanks for putting out the stuff you do and how in depth you are. Yes sir, we will have to get together again and shoot the bull. Safe cutting brother.
Absolutely! That was a nice one. I am sure it got quite a layer of ash and that really helped the trees. It's funny though, that was the unit that was seen by the Road Foreman, as it turns out, who mentioned that he saw the video and thought it had a lot of great stuff in it, to our harvest manager. So that brought about the end of cutting videos. Oh well, that's the way it is. Glad you liked it. You sound like a logger, where about do you work? Sure appreciate the comments and interest. Be safe.
@@thedailylogger Thanks for the reply! I used to work in the woods for roughly 5 years over in Montana and NE Washington and loved it! I ultimately left the woods for school but have always longed to get back. My last job in the woods was running a Denis stroke delimber, pretty old technology now! I sure enjoy watching the newer equipment and technology. Many thanks again and be safe!
@@bobmartin6055 Hey, right on! Well, if you're inclined we're always on the look for good hands. Thanks for the interest and comments, good talking with you.
@@peterbilt898 Holy smokes, you guys are colder there than we are here. I got up at 3 to get going but Mother Nature delivered on what they were calling for, an inch of ice or better on everything. I've got a good lead on so I'm going to be a pussy and call it Friday, early! Stay warm.
Oh man that's for sure! Nothing beats good wood on easy ground in a beautiful location! It's a pretty impressive statment about the power of sound forestry too. All this ground in what is called the Blast Zone was flattened by the eruption. There was a huge Salvage operation, I'm sorry I missed that! Then there was an equally huge replanting operation, and 40 years later this wood is the result of that. I regularly run into people who say things like, "we're cutting all the trees down" or "we're running out of trees", probably you do as well. They just don't have a clue - this video shows the reality of Forestry; manage, harvest, replant. It's a true thing of beauty to me. I also always get a kick out of rolling down out of the timber past some clear running creek that I'd drink out of if it wasn't for Beaver Fever, running just as clear and green as you could ever hope for. Then you get down into civilization and after a few miles that same river is muddy and murky, you wouldn't drink out of it if you were crossing the desert. Oh well, just the way it is I guess. Have a good holiday and a great year to come! Be safe
Thanks! You were watching pretty carefully to catch that little bit of brake. I generally only hold them back for the first stem or two and place them carefully for a favorable lead, then I can use that lay to build a bunch without having to hold them back. It's hard on the machine to do it, so it's slower as well. But important, like you say, busting up wood is unprofessional! Thanks for the comment, be safe!
@@thedailylogger Yeah , I"ve run an old timbco for over 25 years so a guy notices the small things. You're a top tier operator for shure.Holding too long is hard on the machine but forcing too much can bust up good wood.Great commentary by the way. I've wondered what the wood around St. Helens looks like now.
@@ervinbratlien8741 Copy. I've run several Timbco myself. From what I've seen, the trees planted after the mountain blew have done really well. When I came out west in '97, if you were working in the blast zone there was a couple inches of duff on the ground and then a thick layer of ash. I can remember seeing it 2 to 4 inches thick in several places. That has pretty much disappeared from sight and into the soil but it was apparently really high in nutrients. What part of the world are you working in? I've watched several videos you posted, like the old Timberjack ones. I spent quite a lot of time in Timberjack Bunchers, the 950's were great machines, ahead of their time and you can still see a lot of their design features in current machines. Thanks!
@@thedailylogger I work in northern Minnesota. Timbcos were cutting edge in their day but a machine is only as good as the sum of it's components. Timberpros and tigercats are awesome upgrades to the leveling machine concept. More power, better cooling , bigger pumps, heavier undercarrige, and just better components all around.Hills around hear are short but can be steep.I cut a hill off about 15 years ago that was about 18 miles away, as the crow flies, from the mill. I could barely see the trucks from the hilltop in line waiting for the Wagner to unload them. That was cool. Can't remember if I needed binoculars.
@@ervinbratlien8741 Copy that. I don't suppose you knew Ray Hahn did you? My business partner and I had Hahn shortwood machines back on the east coast and I was fortunate enough to meet Ray, he came out to talk with me after I had contacted the company about the machines. He was a great guy and it was a great company as well. I don't know if they are still in business or not. They worked out well for us, kinda like the Timbcos, cutting edge in their time. Logging is really one long story of ingenuity and innovation! I have been very impressed with the Tigercat Buncher, and the Tigercat company as well. Well designed, built stout, a pleasure to run. Good talking with you. My wife and I were just back east for some family stuff and a little time off, it's o'dark thirty again for me tomorrow, I'm looking forward to getting back to it! Be safe.
Thanks and Merry Christmas to you and family.
Thank you! Hope you and yours have a great holiday as well! Stay warm!
Good cutting!
You bet, it was pretty creamy! Hated to finish it up. Good to hear from you, hope your winter is going well. Happy holidays to you!
@@thedailylogger Working at freezing in a trail into the block. Hopefully I'll be able to start cutting in a few days. The weather just hasn't been cold enough yet. Going into a nice stand of decent wood with almost no underbrush on flat ground. Happy holidays to you as well.
@@davidgibbons5366 Copy. I remember that process. Seems as though that may be kinda late in the season for it still not to be froze up? But maybe with things changing the way they are maybe it's about normal. Sounds like a a creamy unit though, hope it goes well. Sure makes a difference when the ground is clean. The domestic markets here are tightening up fairly precipitously, hopefully it's just a short correction to account for the time of the year. Let's keep our fingers crossed that the economy can hang together for us! Always good to hear from you, good cuttin to ya!
@@thedailylogger Freeze up often doesn't come till after Christmas but occasionally early December. Today hit 9 Celcious with above freezing temperatures for the next 2 weeks. I spent yesterday cutting and placing a cordoury road across a swamp. Nothing to do now but wait for cold.... hopefully!
@@davidgibbons5366 Thinking back I can remember that as well, Thanksgiving was always kind of a mess and it really wasn't until first of the year that things would harden up. Toward the end of my logging in New England with my own outfit we were putting up chipwood cold decks, about a 100 loads or more of the nonmerch before bringing the chipper in. I can remember more than once chipping 24 or 48 hours straight through when the winter would turn fickle on us and warm up when we were back on a frozen haul road. Good luck on it to you, best wishes for a good New Year!
That sounds like good timber! About the best yield we ever get around here is planted white pine at around 40k an acre but it is rare. I have seen poplar at 30k per acre but it won't remain consistent throughout the tract. Once upon a time as a young man of about 24 or 25 I cut and trimmed 139,000 international feet of natural growth white pine in 3.5 days. It stood on 10 acres. That was before we even had a delimber. That is the most I ever hand cut in a short time frame. Lots of the trees on that tract were over 1k feet. These young guys coming up now think I am lying when I tell them I used to average 4 million feet a year international with a chainsaw before we had cutters. I guess when all they have ever done is ran a machine it is hard to comprehend...lol.
That's some good looking work! Stay safe and have a Merry Christmas!!
Yeah, it was a beautiful unit. It will be interesting to see how it logs out. You probably do the same thing while you're cutting, I just get a feel for a volume as I work through a stand. Generally I'm pretty close. I prefer the unthinned portions, even though they are tougher ground, because there are more pieces. The wood definitely responded to the thinning though, less trees per acre but they were fat. Volume per acre out here in particular depends on height first I think, then stocking, then size. 140 on 10 acres sounds like good wood, and good production too, especially handlogging! I can remember being able to kick ass like that too! International rule favors the small, short log, we generally are Scribner out here which favors larger diameter long logs. I can remember averaging 7000 a load International of small diameter Spruce, 2 tiers of 16's. The area this unit is in was the blast zone of the volcano, about 70,000 acres were blown down in one form or another, salvaged and replanted. I think they planted almost 20 million seedlings! Much of it was then thinned and its all getting ripe now. Pretty impressive to see, and even better to work in! Thanks for the note, hope you have a good holiday!
@@thedailylogger I don't know of anyone who buys on scribner here, not sure why that is? It's either Doyle or International. Doyle favors big diameter as well. Doyle only pays off in really good timber. Not many mills buy on Doyle around here and we avoid those that do at all costs...lol. We haul on tri axles with pups and 90k gross is legal here so in pine where we cut a lot 16' and can double row our 8 footers we can usually haul about 6,500 ft international.. Merry Christmas to you and yours!
@@timberslasher4899 That's interesting. I don't remember ever running across a mill using Doyle when I was logging in New England. Tri-axle and three axle pup was the common truck set-up and the contractor who hauled my wood also ran a lot of what we called slasher rack triaxle trailers, set up for pulp, they'd slash it at the yard on the trailer prior to slinging it off. Always interesting to me to get details of how fellow loggers get it done. Have a good week!
@@thedailylogger yessir it sure is different everywhere. Tractor trailer is king around here but we do the rougher jobs that pay more and we can get in a lot of places where they can't.
@@timberslasher4899 Copy, those truck and pup combos do get around well. Do you run a loader on the rear of the truck or do you load with your loader at the landing?
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Thank you and the same to you! Stay warm and safe, seems like the whole country is going to get hammered with this storm. I'm going to try to get in another day of cutting today, but if it's too nasty I'll call it a week. Thanks!
Jason, so nice to meet you yesterday at summit. Keep the content coming. Love it as always. You’ve really helped me relating the bunching I’ve done down south to the west coast way.
Heck yeah! I enjoyed meeting you too! First time meeting someone who recognized me from the videos, so I was a little taken aback. Glad the videos are worthwhile to you, that's really why we are doing it so it's good to see that they are having an impact. Good luck to ya, look forward to running into you again in the future. Hope your trip back east didn't get hammered on too hard by the storm. Be safe!
@@thedailylogger well glad to be the first one to recognize you. I’ve picked up on a lot of stuff from watching your content. So thanks for putting out the stuff you do and how in depth you are. Yes sir, we will have to get together again and shoot the bull. Safe cutting brother.
@@EvanThompsonn Glad to hear it. Well, hope you're having a good holiday and not stuck in an airport somewhere. Best to ya!
Great patch there!
Absolutely! That was a nice one. I am sure it got quite a layer of ash and that really helped the trees. It's funny though, that was the unit that was seen by the Road Foreman, as it turns out, who mentioned that he saw the video and thought it had a lot of great stuff in it, to our harvest manager. So that brought about the end of cutting videos. Oh well, that's the way it is. Glad you liked it. You sound like a logger, where about do you work? Sure appreciate the comments and interest. Be safe.
@@thedailylogger
Thanks for the reply!
I used to work in the woods for roughly 5 years over in Montana and NE Washington and loved it! I ultimately left the woods for school but have always longed to get back. My last job in the woods was running a Denis stroke delimber, pretty old technology now!
I sure enjoy watching the newer equipment and technology.
Many thanks again and be safe!
@@bobmartin6055 Hey, right on! Well, if you're inclined we're always on the look for good hands. Thanks for the interest and comments, good talking with you.
Putting on the ground good work Merry Christmas and happy new year
Yeah, I wish all units were as nice as that one. Happy holidays to you as well, thanks!
@@thedailylogger -6 this morning here been a while since we seen this
@@peterbilt898 Holy smokes, you guys are colder there than we are here. I got up at 3 to get going but Mother Nature delivered on what they were calling for, an inch of ice or better on everything. I've got a good lead on so I'm going to be a pussy and call it Friday, early! Stay warm.
How much cooler could it get working on Mt St. Helens in regrowth wood like that!?
Love it!
Oh man that's for sure! Nothing beats good wood on easy ground in a beautiful location! It's a pretty impressive statment about the power of sound forestry too. All this ground in what is called the Blast Zone was flattened by the eruption. There was a huge Salvage operation, I'm sorry I missed that! Then there was an equally huge replanting operation, and 40 years later this wood is the result of that. I regularly run into people who say things like, "we're cutting all the trees down" or "we're running out of trees", probably you do as well. They just don't have a clue - this video shows the reality of Forestry; manage, harvest, replant. It's a true thing of beauty to me. I also always get a kick out of rolling down out of the timber past some clear running creek that I'd drink out of if it wasn't for Beaver Fever, running just as clear and green as you could ever hope for. Then you get down into civilization and after a few miles that same river is muddy and murky, you wouldn't drink out of it if you were crossing the desert. Oh well, just the way it is I guess. Have a good holiday and a great year to come! Be safe
I like how you retard the fall of each tree and not force them too hard. Breaking nice timber sucks.
Thanks! You were watching pretty carefully to catch that little bit of brake. I generally only hold them back for the first stem or two and place them carefully for a favorable lead, then I can use that lay to build a bunch without having to hold them back. It's hard on the machine to do it, so it's slower as well. But important, like you say, busting up wood is unprofessional! Thanks for the comment, be safe!
@@thedailylogger Yeah , I"ve run an old timbco for over 25 years so a guy notices the small things. You're a top tier operator for shure.Holding too long is hard on the machine but forcing too much can bust up good wood.Great commentary by the way. I've wondered what the wood around St. Helens looks like now.
@@ervinbratlien8741 Copy. I've run several Timbco myself. From what I've seen, the trees planted after the mountain blew have done really well. When I came out west in '97, if you were working in the blast zone there was a couple inches of duff on the ground and then a thick layer of ash. I can remember seeing it 2 to 4 inches thick in several places. That has pretty much disappeared from sight and into the soil but it was apparently really high in nutrients. What part of the world are you working in? I've watched several videos you posted, like the old Timberjack ones. I spent quite a lot of time in Timberjack Bunchers, the 950's were great machines, ahead of their time and you can still see a lot of their design features in current machines. Thanks!
@@thedailylogger I work in northern Minnesota. Timbcos were cutting edge in their day but a machine is only as good as the sum of it's components. Timberpros and tigercats are awesome upgrades to the leveling machine concept. More power, better cooling , bigger pumps, heavier undercarrige, and just better components all around.Hills around hear are short but can be steep.I cut a hill off about 15 years ago that was about 18 miles away, as the crow flies, from the mill. I could barely see the trucks from the hilltop in line waiting for the Wagner to unload them. That was cool. Can't remember if I needed binoculars.
@@ervinbratlien8741 Copy that. I don't suppose you knew Ray Hahn did you? My business partner and I had Hahn shortwood machines back on the east coast and I was fortunate enough to meet Ray, he came out to talk with me after I had contacted the company about the machines. He was a great guy and it was a great company as well. I don't know if they are still in business or not. They worked out well for us, kinda like the Timbcos, cutting edge in their time. Logging is really one long story of ingenuity and innovation! I have been very impressed with the Tigercat Buncher, and the Tigercat company as well. Well designed, built stout, a pleasure to run. Good talking with you. My wife and I were just back east for some family stuff and a little time off, it's o'dark thirty again for me tomorrow, I'm looking forward to getting back to it! Be safe.