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- Published on Apr 14, 2026
- NEW Bill & Law that could change Linux as we know it. California and Colorado are pushing for age verification in operating systems including in Linux based ones. How are Linux distros responding to all of this? Let's check out the latest..
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These draconian laws are an NSA syop.
I put a disclaimer on my project page...
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Prepare yourself because March 19th will be the day that OSes will be forced to add age verification by Brazil or else get a 9.5 million dollar fine per violation.
@Jovian_Manoh wow. That's real. So theoretically, this has been in play and absolutely no one has talked about it in the US. This is all under the radar stuff. Gag orders, politicians and judges telling companies to shut up. There are big US companies down there, like Dell/EMC. I think Brazil defines the gravity of this.
When politicians who are highly suspected of visiting a certain island say “Think of the kids” be very cautious.
"By applying this kernel update, you agree that you will no longer use, or refer to the word 'Epstein' online."
Sorry - They had to implement that for government compliance. If your OS detects that you typed those letters in order, it rm's your boot drive.
They are doing it to find kids. Like school photos.
That’s when you start using “think of the children” right back
Well I think they mean it in a different way.
@00Mothman00we can mean it the right way when using it against them
There was a time when PC stood for *Personal* Computer
The label was created by IBM before one of their employees lobbied for brokering a deal where company created by her son makes an OS for it.
These days its more like "Public Computer"🥲
Don't worry, with current trends in hardware prices, you won't be able to afford a computer anyway in the not too distant future.
@cineflix-c9v That’s the exact thing I thought
It still is a Personal computer in the sense that you own the hardware that you buy, but have no control of the operating system that you also have to pay for to use it. Update after update that we are FORCED to accept whether we want them or not. What about the people who are perfectly satisfied with the OS as it is ?. "Update required. Remind me in three days". After which you lose the right to turn off your computer without pulling the plug. It's a cancer which never stops growing. A message to OS developers, DO IT ONCE, GET IT RIGHT BEFORE SELLING IT, THEN LEAVE IT ALONE.
Cant wait to have to show my drivers license to turn on my microwave, oven, or listen to the radio in my car. All of which run an OS
don't forget that high school students won't be able to use their calculators anymore, since they'll be underaged and it would be unsafe for them
Plane autopilot shuts down flying over California because the age of the pilots hasn’t been verified.
But but but are you saying minorities and the poor won't be able to use those because they can't get ID? (Sarcasm) They can't be consistent in their arguments for anything.
You don't create a user on those. Untill you have to register
That's coming
Man, the number of users aged over 100 is about to skyrocket.
uhm, yes? i was born in 0274, what's up with that eh?
I always pick the oldest age I can. One time on a random ass website I chose 0 - the year. I was born with Jesus.
The funny thing is that year zero probably didnt even exist it went from -1 to 1. And Jesus was born a few years earlier (I know its a joke)
1st January 1970
tutankamon here, i use linux and it rocks!
Politicians should wear suits like Nascar with all their sponsor's patches on it.
i have a better suit and place for them
Man of the Year Quote (great Robin Williams Movie)
We're way past that. We know who their sponsors are. We know what islands they've been to. We have some idea what they did to kids while they were there. What's missing are the arrests, convictions, and an appropriate sentence. We won't impose the sentence these bastards deserve, unfortunately.
Just wrap them in the Pissraeli flag
They often do, especially when they used to be in the IDF
Let's be real. This bill was written by people who know only Windows and MacOS and even then they barely know how they work anyway.
It's not stupidity. It's intentional and being used to get rid of small operating system developers who can't implement those age verification measures.
No, it was written and passed by people paid off by big tech, because FOSS is losing MicroSlop and crApple business. Newsom previously vetoed regulations on LLMs, which is something someone in the pocket of Silicon Valley would do but not something a clueless rubber-stamper would do.
@jamessorrel exactly! They are forcing users into controllable lines. They do not want us to own anything. This is such a slippery slope and we have to fight against it.
Agreed. "Politicians have no phuckin' idea how the internet works. No idea at all." - Count Dankula in his video about Starmer the Stalin in UK, trying to ban VPN's.
More likely they simply don't really care about Linux, their target is Windows, Apple and Android.
We need to put a stop to the "papers please" era of the internet before it starts
Too late. The big ass gov simps with blue hair have one.
It's long past started.
You are 20 years late.
Windfisch1981 It it going to get СР treatment. It only takes a few decades to make everyone believe that arbitrary thing is absolutely abhorrent.
#TakeBackTheInternet
"Oh no, my smart toaster won't let me cook my bagel because I'm only 17!"
no they will send a different invisible friend, rebel young boyfriend or whatever algorythym will best persuade your kid to leave with the man with candy and white van
God forbid someone wants a computer that doesn't have Candy Crush in their start menu.
mood
God forbidding is more ludicrous than California forbidding.
and tiktok lol
Or a start menu to begin with.
Blus states combined with possibly Microsoft? Why am I NOT surprised?
Do NOT comply with tyranny.
the game is great though, and has a native linux build!
The devs will have to comply.. but we should easily get around it with a VPN download. Or others will make scripts, like they do for Windows. These things are easily bypassed and I'm not worried. But I agree that we should stop this before it starts.
Not even a little bit. Don’t even make a “California compliant version”
Just let their asses go back to the pre computing age. Watch how fast this gets rolled back
I never do
I'm ready to go to a civil war over this threat to the constitution. If you look at everything else going on at the same time, we should be there already.
I know it won't happen, but I want the Linux Foundation to do the Midnight BSD option: force California to choose between ditching garbage legislation or not being able to run any servers without being in breach of licence agreements. This law is absurd and inhuman and needs to be fought.
BSD's might become my wild card option if this gets worse...or both that and LFS.
@TheDigitizedSignPainterI don't think you'll need to jump ship from Linux anytime soon. The Free and Open Source community has a lot of people with very strong views on privacy, so unless you're stuck in one of the jurisdictions that's forcing this, you'll still able to install a version that has not complied. I expect that if the sensible thing doesn't happen and these laws get thrown out or found to be invalid (I think there's a pretty good argument in the USA based on this being a breach of the First Amendment), then most distros will go with two download options (one normal and one for places with draconian laws) or that it only shows if you set your location to somewhere that this applies. Expect community forks that remove it (even if they only distribute via torrents etc).
There's always going to be an option for Linux without this, because that's how open software works. You just might not he technically allowed to use it where you are, but that's not going to be enforceable at scale. It might require you needing to compile yourself (how they expect this to work with the likes of Slackware shows how inept they are).
The community will have our backs. Which is why I think it'll be interesting to see how this plays out. The governments will not win, because they can't. It's an unwinnable battle. There will always be bypasses.
"The internet treats censorship as damage and routes around it." FOSS is the same.
@TheDigitizedSignPainter This law applies to BSD too. and even to DOS. It applies to basically every operating system that is capable of accessing the Internet.
There will not be age restrictions on OSs used for commercial purposes. I'd bet this actually creates a loophole, allowing people to just select "Corporate Use" or something and not have to enter age info.
@WitchidWitchidthey put s clause in the license file that the software is not to be used in California
Slap a warning on it that says "not for use in california or colorado" problem solved
It probably causes cancer in those states anyway
“This Linux distribution not authorized for use in California.” Fixed it.
Or Colorado or Washington.
"The utilization of this Linux distribution is prohibited in jurisdictions mandating age verification. Any penalties or charges incurred due to non-compliance will be transferred to the user."
Yep. You want that info? You don't get it. Pull out of ALL states that require this. This is asinine in the highest form.
Adding licence terms that prohibits users in certain locations changes it from open source to non-free. We should change the definition of open source to allow excluding jurisdictions that mandate age attestation and other draconian laws.
@vintageforkcollectorguy No. Open source means open source. Messing with that is a slippery slope, just as much as this law is.
Linus Torvalds only has so many middle fingers.
Linus literally sold GitHub to Micro$lop and has started using AI. He's gone, mate.
Linus is a shill of the elite ruling royal black nobility bloodlines. Linus will bend a knee.
But he will implement it as a removable package.
@SharingUncommonThoughts Not that it matters. It can just be ripped out.
@SharingUncommonThoughts maybe don't crush the silicon and snort it eh?
Why not create a bill to stop companies from tracking, storing, and selling our data?
This times a thousand
Because the politicians that are writing these bills are getting ̶b̶r̶i̶b̶e̶s̶ donations from the companies profiting off data mining and selling.
They know better than to bite the hand that feeds you.
The companies arent even this obtuse. A bunch of them are suing.
There is one in the EU. Part of the reason the UK exited the Union was to "protect the citizens' rights". Guess who was the first to impose age restriction and ID verification? 😄
6:13 I love the idea of blocking access to software in various states. Kids know about VPNs. Politicians can barely figure out email and texting.
Porn sites do it in Texas and Alabama. Linux distros can just do the same for California.
My fridge runs linux. Do I age verify to dispense ice?
Hehe, Ice...
This product is known to the state of California to potentially be linked to something in the universe that causes cancer.
Absolutely you need age verification for ice because you might use this ice with a drink .
Only ice that's needed is crushed ice
@silverscalederg8632 Can't tell if you're referencing *that thing* or if you're ignorant.
Computer: What's your age? Me: None of your goddamn business.
What's your age?
Every linux user: 1/1/1970
@imppaco Exactly, so stupid.
Heck I don't even use my real name on the internet. We were told as kids not to give out personal information to strangers on the internet. Politicians don't get much stranger.
@Tannius Remember when Google forced everyone to use their real names? I do.. I do...
@brandondenis8695 My name is Thisisnotmyrealname
I don't care who Peter Thiel sends, I'm not giving the internet my ID.
Just slap a "not suitable for California " warning on it and ignore their legislation.
what if they adopt it into the rest of the country?
@crazymemes1357 Then "Not suitable for [name of the states]"
and if it goes global @endtimes003 ?
Bandaid on the titanic. This needs a proper solution rather than low effort dismissals.
Then just say Sorry america Linux is too awesome for u then in small barely visible text use a vpn
Bad law demands non-compliance.
Nobody should do anything in response to this totally ignorant law.
I do wonder if challenged, in a court, the judge would simply dismiss California prosecutors' case on the basis their silly act is irrational (does not make logical sense and can't be understood). That is, if a judge makes a ruling that the Act is irrational it would mean those law makers would have to amend it.
This is exactly what I was thinking.
Who exactly are they going to fine over linux? Are they going to ban it? It's a free online operating system.
They can literally just ignore this and it goes away. If the government tries strong arming it. They'll look bad.
It's not an ignorant law.. it is intentional. Government agencies pushed by those in control are ensuring that the common citizenry loose more privacy and control. Collecting more data on people is surely going to be abused by those in power - this likely has 90% to do with controlling and exploiting people and 10% to do with protecting minors. The politicians have proven to be untrustworthy anywhere near our children especially on a certain island of recent. They have no business trying to enact a highly offensive collection of age brackets within an OS.. It's one thing to require it of users going to a website.. but another to impose it on OS - can you tell this is a sore subject.
An additional action: malicious compliance. We "submit" and immediately select the 18+ option on the OS for every account made.
@truckywuckyuwu I would _love_ for them to try, and see the entire digital infrastructure of California crumble the next day.
For some reason, Colorado and California think they can mandate changes to software created by the world for the world
the internet is a series of toobs
@woodchippers_WestWingDimeBagTed Stevens was from Alaska
They won't be able to enforce it within their own borders
@russell2952 the problem is not unique to any state.
For durable goods they can, by virtue of the sheer size of their market, at least in the case of CA. For free software I think it's going to be much harder.
@6:35 We could also... NOT give in to terrorism
the government can f*ck right off
I like their ideas really I do, but keep it in California and other French colonies like Quebec/Somalia. And if they got a homeless problem or illegal immigrants let us crowd fund internment camps like they had back in the day maybe even legalize slavery if they are so keen to be branded by digital ID. I mean signing an NDA and marrying another dude is practically slavery already just make it official so the citizens can own these less than liberated criminals.
@DudeSoWin
So fun fact, slavery is actually fully legalized and labled as such as long as it happens within the prison system.
We also have systems by which to anonymously verify identities down to the social security number without telling the company the information.
They are actually just lying. Thats it.
And kïll itself
lol
@onlinepanic2036 You say that but then corpos pay us *less* then what is required to house and feed a prisoner. *More then half* the cost of a Federal Minunum Wage actually.
around $22 an hour on average would be the current equivelent.
The creator of Nobara, GloriousEggroll, has stated they will refuse to implement age verification
I knew i made a good decision when using nobara
I cam see this to be the distro of choice if the rest comply.
Also Midnight BSD. And we XLibre also won't comply.
@nekrad23 Time for me to install and learn Midnight BSD then.
Just switched from win11 to Nobara 2 weeks ago....must say, what a wonderful and pleasant experience. I'm only tied to Win11 because of AutoCad and Fusion360, but i run win11 in VMware Workstation, the only one that gives 8GB to virtual GPU, so those 2 run smooth. Everything else is just in Nobara :) Like it a lot!
Any distro following this law will be thrown into oblivion.
Ubuntu, debian and several others have already said they will be implementing it.
@phokeydhoo8940 they are dead distros then, there is simply no other way
@kesamek8537 Whats left?
@tankerock arch, fedora, opensuse, gentoo i think
@tankerock Grab a linux kernel and start fresh.
I like to imagine a Stanley Parable-esque screen in the installation saying "click here to verify your age" and then "your age has been verified"
and it just sets it to 1984 in the API
Let's coin the term legislop for these bills 😆
That's offensive to slop.
Phrasw adopted.
Yesss holy hell. Like AI slop except it’s meaningless garbage
This and Washington states 3D printer ban
Yeah good f’ing luck w that
Or maybe, "sLAWp".
@AugustusTitusLMAO
There is no way this can be done without a massive surveillance backbone. So this is most def not for the kids.
Perhaps all 1st place is basically the internet infrastructure.
2nd place are criminals.
3rd place are users.
Kids don't know how to use Linux or what it is.
Considering they want to have a backbone to unofficial servers not controlled by corpos.
it never is and have never been. its is and have always been about control and subjugation.
Also, how is locking adult users who don't want to verify supposed to protect the kids? That makes it so there's more interleaving between the two groups online, not less
always has been, my guy. you have to provide your ID to buy beer already. and as we all know, internets and computers are even more dangerous, so they must be regulated all the same.
Well if I'm going to be parenting other people's kids, I want some child tax credits
wait unrated comment LMAO
@shannon6876 And in the future with the help of "AI" they'll learn something worse than nothing: They are starting to learn how to be completely braindead and needing a machine to do the thinking for them!
@shannon6876 No, not learn nothing - be deliberately misinformed.
NAH that's reasonable
@shannon6876
Without public school there would be even more and even dumber people who are oblivious to the creeping survailance implementations.
My toaster runs an os, do i need to scan my face to make toast? 🤣
Maybe try to be literate and read the law to find out?
@Koi-gaming-Oc I need to read a law in order to make sure I can make toast without having to first scan my face?
@justintime4u2buI am sorry about your illiteracy and hope u can get the help you need.
I hate the fact we have people thinking of solutions to the request.... Like sure.. okay. So you figure it out and implement it.... "3 Years later... the gov say people have been lying about age on linux OS's so lets put full ID verification on top of it...." This needs to be held back at this stage, if goverments around the world get a sniff that we actually bend the knee on this, it's over.
100%
The solution is to be a collective group of reasonable people willing to do unreasonable things to government.
that is their plan, it is obvious. trump tries to turn US in to russia-2, where people do not have rights or free speech
Fully agree. This is just the first brick and many more will follow. The wall can never be high enough for THEM
Exactly what I was thinking. Take the first step of having an age verification tick box with local data and that will be accepted unwillingly by legislators. Then a year or two later they will want more, and more, until full digital ID is imposed.
> Application Store
Sir or madam, this is Linux: we do not have a store we have a software repository.
Honestly? Politicians aren't smart enough to educate themselves on the difference.
They'll see a picture of Discover, Gnome Software, Flathub or Bazaar and conclude that it is an app store, because they cannot comprehend the concept of repositories with a frontend GUI.
I don't even think the can comprehend the concept of 'repository' in and of itself.
(Can you tell I have a very low opinion of politicians?) 😂
@w-Nicksen I have nothing but disdain of politicians. There may be a few goods ones, but so, so many of them are there to get rich with insider trading and protecting Pete O'Philes.
@w-Nicksen
when you said repository, the senator thought you said suppository’s, and he said, give me two and shove them way up there.
Pretty sure some distros don't even have their own software repositories. I could be wrong, don't quote me on that.
@w-Nicksen I'm not exactly a "Linux" user and I have been using Windows since the early 90s going back to Dos 6.0 / Win 3.11 and I'm originally from the Northeast, the Tristate area.
However, I am also familiar with Linux and many of its Distros and yet they are so clueless that they don't even know that Linux itself isn't even an operating system. It is a Kernel Model in which many different types of operating systems in the forms of Distributions are built on top of.
Not only that but of the many various Distros, many of the contributors or organizations that manage their repos aren't even based within the U.S. The Linux Kernel and the various Distributions are located All over the World!
Who is California to think they can impose such laws? They are reaching beyond their own Jurisdiction, and they need to be reminded of it! These alleged laws are completely unlawful, unwarranted and unconstitutional even if they were solely applicable to being only within the operating confines of their respective state never mind the U.S., never mind the reset of the world.
Someone in Florida installs an OS or Kernel that doesn't have such features and then California's state government thinks they have the right to press charges or impose fines onto a company, organization or individual because they didn't comply with their regulations even when they're not working within their borders? And to force a company into such things, oh hell no! This type of shit needs to stop immediately!
I think I’m starting to spiral. I don’t see anybody around me reacting to what is happening and that makes me feel crazy
yeah same here Im explaining the problems and the extent of what id and age verification will do to our futures and they all go "eh but they already have all of our data" Im going crazy and dont really know what to do or say about what is happening.
You're not alone, friend. Stay safe & sane. The world needs people like you.
It's still niche information at this point, but this is one of those things that all of the sudden is mainstream. I think fairly soon we'll start to see a lot more people talking about this sort of thing, not necessarily the OS-specific part, but the general government ID controls and the parallel networks people build to avoid them.
I'm brazilian and a similar law will be effective March 17 of this year, maybe that will make this topic a little more mainstream
Everyone is shrugging this off, usually on the lines of, I have nothing to hide.
I’d love to see every server in the world go down because “You didn’t verify your age”
Maybe then they’ll start thinking and stop vomiting rules and procedures that don’t make any senses
We live in a world run by brainless dictators.
Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence. These people were just too lazy to ask any experts what to do, and did the bare minimum. The linux community should respond in kind, with the bare minimum.
@vezrien The more you learn how things actually work they more you will realize its both and not one or the other and I would always assume malice first at this point. In this case its both.
Pdf files "protecting" children.
Not brainless but insane. Remember the time when USA was known to be the dumbest nation? I bet you never thought it could get worse.
@vezrien Never attribute to laziness what you can attribute to malice. Do not for one second doubt that the global elite is driven by malice.
turn off all linux systems in California? Let them see the result of bad bills.
I don't think they realise most servers run on linux. The people who make these bills desire control, not understanding of tech it seems.
@ghostofakina8747 Or understanding much of anything that has to do with reality. Making their bullshit work IRL is always someone else's problem.
MidnightBSD is withdrawing their liscence in California starting Jan 1st 2027. Based
The vast majority of traffic light systems run on Linux too~
haha wouldn't that be something. 😂 we should wait for that to cause maximum chaos for their stupidity.
What a clown world we've found ourselves in, I miss the 90's
The vikings should've demolished the British Empire completely instead of stopping a third of the way. None of this would've happened. No empire, no USA not to mention no WW1 and WW2. What a blissful world it would be.
@Hr1s7i Mr A.H should have been allowed finish his mission. If he had, none of this would be happening.
they passed age verification laws so that they could target the kids, epstein-starmer style
Did you ever think you'd actually _say_ that?
@Hr1s7i Your timeline is a bit skewed, plus The Normans, otherwise known as the English ruling class, were the descendants of Vikings.
This is like saying a construction company must ensure that the restaurant company who ends up using the new building doesn’t let minors consume alcohol.
Or car companies have to make their cars not function if a minor gets behind the wheel even though the legal driving age varies between states.
“Anyone who sacrifices a little bit of freedom for a little bit of security deserves neither.” -Benjamin Franklin
You didn't get the quote quite right, and I feel the differences are important so here's the actual quote: "Anyone who would trade essential freedom for temporary security deserves neither." The "temporary" tag is important - this will start with "Enter your birthdate" but will quickly escalate to "upload an image of your government-issued ID"
WMD for all! #NotAllHumans abuse those.
That ship sailed decades ago
I'm really getting tired of all these comments with these old 1984 style quotes.
Its just jewish billionaire tech palantir/oracle bros and wef and nsa cia building the digital prison for your digital id and here in europe to have that digittal id ready for for the cbdc (central bank digital currency) that they are buisy implementing right now.
That's the actual reality.
@HardlygamalielAnd it was written to a wealthy landowner who was trying to negotiate his way out of paying taxes anymore by making a one-time donation to defense.
REFUSE to comply
PERIOD.
Would be nice to see something ran back for once
Yeah, Canonical, Red Hat, Project 76 and others can't deal with the $7,500 per child fine. They just can't. You can stand there and grandstand from your idealized world view, but these are organizations who operate in the real world, employ real people, and don't have that kind of fu money.
@MasterHigure good luck collecting that,
step 1: DONT comply
step 2: get fine
step 3: litigate them in the supreme court.
If you do not fight it YOU LOSE but if all of the above cowtow to this draconian requirement THEY DESERVE TO LOSE 100% of their customers.
DO
NOT
COMPLY
In the future, you won't be able to. I'm betting in 2027, one day you update your browser, and it either blocks age gated sites (which can go beyond porn), or it just doesn't work because it can't find the key-value store. I can pretty much guarantee it will be tied to the browser JS engines... V8 and JSC. That would mean all distros will be affected, even if they exclude from Cali. Watch it happen. Look at who funded this. Think about why. They're scared because people are moving to Linux to protect themselves. Control, fear, hush money, no one important is talking.
@markmanning2921 You can stand there and grandstand from your idealized world view, but these are organizations who operate in the real world, employ real people, and don't have that kind of fu money.
Yeah.. I don't understand how this is remotely enforceable..
The government will sue or simply arrest anyone distributing or developing Linux which doesn't have state surveillance built in.
@yishnirGood luck enforcing calirado law outside the union. Every court will just laugh at you. And the public opinion might trend downward even further.
But of course, what import has the public opinion for a place such as the US, the shining city on the hill where someone has been reducing the lights?/s
@danieldieste9905 Do you mean outside the US? The billionaires and the governments they have captured intend to roll out ID requirements to use any computer or access the internet everywhere they control. These two states are just them priming the pump to implement it nationally, and, as the video covered, other governments are already preparing to do the same thing. They're tired of the commoners freely communicating and educating each other.
@yishnir yeah good luck with that
@citvdelbvck i dont know how they will do it
Now lets all download our OS from a magnetlink and call it a day
Would be veeery interesting to know how much the identification-companies (those doing the ID-verifications) how much they've spent the last few years in California versus rest of U.S. states..
If legislators dictate how free software is being developed, it is no longer free software. General compliance effectively violates the freedom that the GPL license offers.
Skip the GPL I want my Constitutional rights. Which in the country I live in is the Law of the Land. Above any state. No state can violate my Constitutional rights.
GPL is only about the source code. Not the end product. GPL doesnt care whether the dev decides to add something to comply with law, nor does it care if distributor geoblocks areas where that version would be illegal. GPL only cares about the fact thst upstream codebase is public and free to use. And since that sourcecode is not a product itself, anyone can take it, modify it, release it, they just have to make sure that their release isnt illegal
In the entire history of humanity, there has never been freedom. We just collectively pretended really hard that we're free.
There have always been people in positions of power over other people. People in positions of power over others always could crush them for any slight at any time, and so they can today.
We were never free, just of too little importance, too small of an inconvenience. Rest assured that if you ever become noticeable, you'll be crushed like nothing.. no jurisdictions, no trials, no public light, no media coverage, nothing. If need be, someone in overwhelming power over you can make you disappear and suffer no consequence in return, nothing you can do.
Other way around. We pretend that anyone with a stupid name, costume, or weird way of speaking have "authority" over anyone...which doesn't exist. We only have authority over ourselves. Nobody has authority over another. So our freedom is the default, but those who are mentally unwell enough to think they can rule over others keep abusing others and most go along with it.
This is more important than a petty software license.
Imagine having to show your fridge an ID to grab a beer
That's coming.
Just quit drinking. It's a waste of money. More money than you realize
The RFID chip will be implanted in your hand
Don't give them ideas
HAL: "I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you have that beer until you insert your ID."
Dave: "But I did insert it."
HAL: "Read Error. ID Not Recognized. Now I must kill you. Goodbye Dave."
I will never use any distro that supports this.
no-one will
@kesamek8537 I hope you're right.
They may start criminalizing them, along with demonization campaigns, just as they did with other technologies before. Hopefully it'll never come to that, but I'm starting to get pessimistic. These people want to be like north-korea, of course with them at the top.
Keep your eyes on Ubuntu, Fedora, and Mint then. There's talk that they're looking into possible implementation....
@Window4503 all shit distros anyway
They already made a patch mainly California and the other states. Plus federal judges said it is a violation to several federal laws, 1st, 4th amendments-all, Privacy law-all and COPPA(Child's Online Privacy Protection Act 1996)-all; the supreme court already denied them the right; only parents and other human being are allowed to verify/keep record in a secured drive, not windows, and have the drive/disk pulled to keep it away from hackers. 9th court said no....and that is final, California is passing laws without the vote of the congress and senate, which is illegal for Gavin Newsom, and other state governors that passed this law, to pass by executive order...
These governments only have power if people comply.
best comment so far
yah i feel like like linux is just gunna be like "yah no thanks, we cant comply even if we want to"
@aidankelley2696 The ones in Cali and Colorado aren't gonna have a choice if they don't they'll be fined into Oblivion
How do you verify appliances? Or industrial machines?
There has to be a limit and therefore loopholes and that makes it useless.
@caked3953 somewhere along the way it was mentioned that it applies to desktops, tablets and phones. Servers should be safe.
Linux From Scratch: Please compile this package if you're in California. It is very important for the system
Great vid. Thanks for keeping us looped in. So would it be prudent to download the iso's for any distro we might like in the future now and just sit on them? Or when these laws are enacted in all states, do you think they'll have a way to cram this into existing/running Linux OS's? I KNOW M$ is able to do this whenever they want but is linux shielded? Also fyi: Illinois is attempting to get on the band wagon too. I think it's just a proposed bill so far.
do they realize on Linux you can change ANY part of your operating system however tf you want at any time?
these island enjoyers are also old ass boomers... they don't understand anything, why do you think they're stuck doing rituals, dudes are ancient
Shhhhh, they are not supposed to know that😊
Doesn’t matter when your banking site starts requesting for the age from some browser api.
@muditkapoor8392 yeah but if it's supposed to be an OS level API then you can do whatever you want with that, many countries already basically have a digital ID, it's basically just a service ran by the government (which already has all that data) that you can use to log into various government sites online to file taxes or do whatever, you don't need any app or anything, its just an account, if they wanted to make a system for age verification it would be really trivial you wouldn't need any ai face scans or sending id to third parties, all it would take is for govt to have an api and some app/account that can be used to just tell the site whether you're old enough without having to send any more data to third parties, but i guess all those laws are pushed for by palantir or something so they'd rather you send your ID and biometric data to every single site you wanna use
also OS-level API for any of that makes absolutely zero sense
@muditkapoor8392 oh yeah and btw im not saying i'd like the other idea, just that it'd be way less idiotic than all the laws passed so far
What happened to parental responsibility? Shouldn't the parent control what their child under 18yrs does on the computer? Or even any media consumption?!?
According to the government children cannot speak for themself and parents can cause harm. Even if there is mutual agreement between children and parents, the government still has the final say in if it is "safe" or not.
Most politics already sold us out and those pdfs used children as an excuse...
BuT pArEnTiNg iS toO hArD Hurr DURR
If it's too hard, then don't have kids. Simple as that.
There should have been a debate about parental responsibility, but the politicians just jumped over that issue, didn't they? They went straight to the techno-dystopia solution.
You're right though, it's the parent's responsibility to protect their kids from the internet. The government is overstepping their bounds here.
@AssemblyNotForYou We live in a nanny state
It's easier to control pc for the parents just put in living room ir similar place
I think the Linux Foundation and the FreeBSD Foundation need to team up with some lawyers. I might be wrong, but I was under the impression that software was protected by 1A and that a law like this would be considered "compelled speech," which is supposed to be illegal under 1A.
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I hope this can happen, then does. I've heard the "breach of the First Amendment" argument before, and it'll be brilliant if that works. Definitely a "best case" outcome for everyone.
This sounds great, the name and birthday that I will register upon installation is Steve Rogers, born 7/4/1920.
I'm glad everyone talking about this realized this is nothing more than a stepping stone to requiring a government ID before you can use your computer. We all know a checkbox for over 18 or an input box for your age does nothing.
Typical incrementalism.
If they added what they really want all at once, people would revolt and overthrow the people in charge.
Since they add it bit by bit, people don't realize how ugly the end result is until it's too late.
This example is incredibly transparent in that regard, and the reasoning for implementing this is obviously a meaningless facade.
People should be revolting now, rather than later when their revolt is monitored by the government and attached to their online ID profile.
Govt requiring an id to use any computer and Mircoslop / crApple complying would spike the demand for Linux very quickly!! lol
for now, this doesn't require an ID. But this law will "train" people to prefer that. If kids were able to consent, they'd push for govt ID check. So you know we'll start seeing govt proposals for changing the 1st amendment.
@zac8670 - Yep' how to boil a frog 101.
Just imagine this dialogue in jail:
- 'So why are you here?'
- 'For distributing'
- 'Drugs?'
- 'Nah, Linux systems without age verification'
This is funny because it looks like an absurd, but the situation is what really scares, and it's about to be true...
Let's just stop entertaining the possibility of even worse timelines. Those are silly and I refuse to take part in them.
"Wanna learn how to make a shank?"
Sure, want to learn about containers?
Like they'd fucking enforce it
what group or tribe controls the law makers in america?
I would end up in jail for bypassing age verification rather than verifying my id, sucks to be born in this era
If Linus says “no, anyone who uses my code cannot put age gates in” then it won’t happen.
The Kernel ist not only made by Linux but he has a final word what subsystems to be added to the kernel and i hope he will refuse to add such fascist Regime Gatekeeping to the Kernel. But it could be included elswhere.
@JoseRamirez-1337 I agree. The socialist regime must not be allowed to establish a foothold.
@Dominickthe3rdAs a proud Democratic Socialist I would never endorse this nonsense. You are talking about far-left extremists, which, as a leftist, are an embarrassment to our side.
linus is incredibly cucked though. literally said himself he's a communist. he probably loves this
Really weird to claim that this is in line with socialism or communism when the pdfs pushing this are all capitalist billionaires.
Hey, best thing about Linux, you can always just modify the OS to remove the API XD
There is war on the internet as a tool of liberty. They want to turn it into a neo-feudal hellscape.
I'm not always online with my computer. It's my computer, my age have nothing to do with it (although I've owned computers for longer than 18 years, so I'm old enough). This utter nonsense that I, as a nonamerican, need to have an effing account to access my own computer is insulting!
The war has been happening all our lives and earlier with all forms of media. It's not a war that will ever stop. Power tries to concentrate itself. Individuals are in a perpetual arms race against it.
After age verification, they will ask about the name of user and so on. This means no privacy and no Freedom.
Right! This will set precedent & open the floodgate!
most distros already ask for your real name but it is kept private and apps can't access it, it's just shown instead of your username on the login screen
@ssof3 "real name" was an example. in reality, it will be a mandatory validation with a gov-issued ID
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@ssof3 - I hope you didn't give your actual name.
Brazil has a law requiring age verification that goes into effect in 3 weeks, Brazil is the 2nd largest population in the 2 American continents only surpassed by the US and its land size is nearly the same as the lower 48 states of the US. Yet no one is talking about it on English Linux RUclips but the Brazilians are FREAKING OUT right now.
Lunduke is talking about it. Love him or hate him he's usually on top of stuff like this
See 17:30
Brazilian here, that's utter BS, nothing works here and it's supposed to be only for Apple and Android, and since brazilian laws are utterly USELESS, no one will follow suit. These kind of laws here have a fame of being "para gringo ver" (just for show).
@GabrielVilanova-n3p Okay buddy, thats some interesting cope
@GabrielVilanova-n3pOnly for Android? My portable computer isn't fighting me for age.
Lets be real, they don't just want you age. They want your ID so they can track everything you do online. They aren't just going to let you type in your age.
how the fuck will this work on stuff like arch/gentoo linux which don't have installers lmao
@ssof3 for arch it might be in archinstall. for gentoo, it'll probably be in some config file you have to set up somewhere.
It wouldnt, Politicians are about as smart as a pile of bricks 😂
@thaiCon13 well it's not the politicians that need to be smart, it's the tech bros working for and running in the same pdfile circles as Musk, Zuckerberg, etc who need to be smart.
@flannelpillowcase6475They're "smart" they just don't care since they're all in the bussiness of data collection and selling said data 🫤
Lamda functions? dats, kewl, there's a Landa function for that.
As a licensed attorney with a Computer Science/Engineering degree, & a Linux user for over 20 years, my assessment is as follows: Computer code is speech, & these laws are arguably a prior restraint regarding content. That's how I would approach it.
Do these bills mean only personal devices or does this include embedded and servers? Does it include all old devices?
@thegaryman5 Any OS but you need to create a user so if your fridge doesn't require an account I think it's OK, however, if it asks to create a user I "guess" this would require giving your age etc...
It is exactly to limit your speech -- to force you to ID they love to push digital ID all the f ing time -- to keep control over you and then they will arrest some for wrong speak and destroy their life and then people will self censor so the tyrants dont destroy their life !! I dont get that people have not exploded yet like when they needed to stand in line for toilet paper!!
I would ask. Who is this "age verification" really for? Because even a Windows operating PC that requires a one time age verification is now an open device for a minor to freely access at any time after verification anyway... what's the point of it? It's all B.S. It was NEVER about protecting kids. It's a control/oversight law... under disguise of "protecting kids". Why do headless units need to age verify? What about cell phones? People going to be locked out that are kids?? Way too many kids that have a phone... rofl. (isn't monitoring kids activity for advertising illegal, as ruled by courts isn't precedent set).. so why? Not to mention... how do operating systems that are already out "in the wild" already (calculators, game consoles, car radios with touch screen, refrigerators, etc. etc.) comply (they don't right?)...What are they now "grandfathered in"? lmao. Such a dumbass/pointless law to say the least. Operating systems should just block in the states and be done with it!! Do not comply ... just block. ...Then find the dumbass that proposed the bill and ask him/her all of these questions and more!!!
They're coming after 3D Printers, Operating Systems, and IoT devices... It's almost like the goal here isn't protecting kids, it's ensuring you have a boot on your neck.
You can't make anything, say anything, or use anything in a manner the WEF doesn't like.
WEF 😂
GOP and billionaires*, you misspelled that as "WEF" for some stupid fucking reason
@GTFour world economic forum
The WEF recently put out a document about "My Carbon" initiatives and they flat out said that covid was a "test of social responsibility" and talked about "acceptance of contact-tracing applications."
Whatever your thoughts on the pandemic are, I don't think it's a coincidence that in the past few years, western governments have been implementing way more surveillance measures and draconian restrictions on speech.
@kokobilI know what it is. Hilarious people pushing idiotic conspiracy nonsense. WEF has no control over anything. It’s a forum. A talking shop. A meeting place to discuss ideas. That’s literally it. People,whom understanding nothing make everything a conspiracy.
This is literally the frog slow boiling in a pot analogy.
By slowly attacking 1 thing slowly and winning, overtime we don't realise how fucked we are.
Just look at everything they have been trying to do over the past 6-9 months.
Thing with that analogy and how it applies to the current socio-political situation of both the internet and the world, is that our analogous '"kettle" is already at a rolling boil and the frog was cooked a decade ago. We are already _so, so, so far_ beyond the point of no return.
"It's called consolidation. Strengthen governments and corporations, weaken individuals. With taxes, this can be done imperceptibly over time. " - Leo Gold, Deux Ex (2000)
It's like the people in power read orwells 1984 and similar books and went "damn this is some good sh*t right here!"
Imagine your smart fridge needing age verification
Verify to open fridge then verify to open a wrapper or can on food plastic wrapper impossible to open
Imagine Intel ME requiring age verification
and what about RTOSs, they don't even tend to have user accounts
Then the fridge prevents you from grabbing your beer until you fold
@Fogolol and next step is age verification to grab coffee, sugar, fat food, unhealthy food and drinks
@lokelaufeyson9931and then at that point, if you refuse to give verification you just starve... WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?
There we have it; the end of the world will be in a few months when every *server* will boot with a "please, provide age verification before using this computer" prompt.
Most servers I work on don't even have a keyboard or display attached to them. Just imagining an ID reader to be more valuable than that amuses me, if it wasn't also utterly asinine and authoritarian. Not to mention the compatibility issues with government IDs across different countries, even just within the EU. I do have a devkit for those of my country, but it's not at all easy to set up. And it's not at all cheap either, costing 300 euros for 5 glorified pieces of plastic. So far I am much more likely to lean towards generic security keys, like Yubikeys.
"Please insert your ID card...."
for servers they will have an exception that states servers are to have identification ID's that are registered by the companies that own them.
this was AI generated
@vimicito yes age verification via SSH
I already spot the failure... "Account holder" ....which linux does not have.
Thats one good reason many move away from Microslop Windoze
one could probably make the legal argument that the law simply doesn't apply to linux
@chri-k *that the law doesn't apply to local-only accounts, which are just your own way to have different environments with different sets of files in them
@ikciiithat isn't even what local users are used for 99% of the timr
usually it's just purely for system-internal reasons
this entire thing is too stupid though to attempt to reason with it
@ikciii linux doesn't have accounts. Linux systems have a "login" which is usually comprised of a Username & password (and SSH key in the case of servers/headless devices)
Just say this is not available in California in each distro
I don't think politicians realize how important linux is, and how much mayhem it would cause for them to block the states
they could fix that easy by stating server or embedded operating systems are exempt, then stating what those kinds of devices are.
if they want it to happen, it will happen.
we cant just sit around doing nothing assuming they are incompetent.
sometimes it feels like they act incompetent so that we dont feel threatened and push back hard.
@guesswho2778even if they get exceptions, these OS should still exclude those states. Show them how hard this will back fire
@rockchik409 This could actually work... but you couldn't get full industry support behind it sadly. It would just leave a massive gap in the market, and someone would sell the companies something new to use on their servers instead of Linux. Microsoft would push their software in the gap caused by Linux leaving Cali. But if it was very short-term it might work.
@thebeastgod54 if its very short term it will be as effective as that reddit protest was against spez (not very).
@thebeastgod54 So people will just use a Microsoft server that asks for the administrators age and later on full ID?
The tried and true birthdate of 1/1/1900 has never failed me
I mostly say 420 1969 for reasons
Very soon they'll ask for govt ID. This is just the beginning
1/1/1969 is my goto
Don't even comply jokingly. Just never do it.
I often use 31.12.1969
I think there needs to be some discussion on the fact that laws like these and conforming to them goes directly against the philosophy of what it is to be open source
Sure, but who is trying to catch a $7500+ (per user???!!) fine or be arrested for touching down in CA or CO for a damn volunteer hobby project? We all know that it will create “dark OSes” being mailed around the country on thumb drives, but why would somebody maintaining a little distro risk it? Let somebody else take the risk and the stand of circumventing it. Especially if CA or CO becomes half of the states or countries in the world, which it will. The more patchwork laws we have the worse the internet gets.
That reminds me I've always wanted to play the Barnyard game again.....
We need someone to compile a list of who is, and who is not bending the knee.
Debian bending the knee
How to destroy your reputation with all computer enthusiasts speedrun edition. The politicians that is
since when politicians give a crap about the voters they will import voters and replace you
never comply with tyranny
This is more surveillance. Plain and simple.
This should be a “For sale in California only.” or “Not for sale in California.”. If I have to provide ID to use my OS, I’ll seek another OS.
We'll be using Raw Computers for 2027-2030. Humanity is trully Unevolving 🔥
It's open source. Comment some shit out and recompile.
Imagine the Mars-rover needed to be age verified every time the operator is using it 😅
Government over reaching 101. It's not for the kids. Never really has been. It's about getting inside your home, your private life. You will own nothing and be happy about it. We will control and monitor your entire life, every move, purchase and more. They will say its to protect the kids but in reality its to protect themselves from you. It will almost always start out as something that someone will almost always get behind. Like safety or child safety ect ect. Because who doesn't want their child to be safe or whatever else to be and feel safe? Yet back behind all that nice words is the actual thing of why they are pushing it. We already seen these places get hacked and all the information getting leaked before. It will happen again more than likely. People will start to make it seem like its ok and its harmless when it's not. They changing the 4th amendment already it seems due to a case ruling by the supreme court. Yet people seem to be blind because oh its the government they only want what's best for us. 🤦 Don't fall for this BS scam.
When the camel sticks their nose under the tent…..
This is 100% about digital id
Linux community should file law suits and work on getting this overturned. If they created a legit resource to donate to I’ll happily donate.
Linux developers should just remove all software and apps from shared libraries and put out a update that removes there code from all systems so they would not be liable for fines and lawsuits.
The wording on this also would effect FORTRAN and would create a port for hackers to exploit, Fortran is use by Banking centers, NASA, and secure military sites.
The government may be ending itself by stupidity.
There is also the problem that most AI runs on Linux and Fortran and is under 13 years old so they cannot be age certified.
@kevinchastain727 they can't remotely remove software from other user's PCs. Also a lawsuit won't stop a government, they have a monopoly on use of force
Linux is not OS. Linux comunity has nothing to do with this. Now, GNU is OS.
@СашаПетровић-н6х GNU is just utilities, tho I guess GNU+hurd is an OS
Maybe you should pay attention to who is in charge, and make your voice peacefully heard? And more importantly, be proud of free speech?
California uses the word “account “ I have never established an account with any Linux distribution.
"Account" is a word used in commerce. The definitions of words in legal documentation is referenced in a Legal dictionary like Blacks Law, and not a common English dictionary like Websters.
- Black Law 9th Ed -
Account, n. (14c) 1. ACCOUNTING (3) . - Also spelled
(archaically) accompt. [Cases: Account ~ 1-7]
"The action of account lies where one has received goods
or money for another in a fiduciary capacity, to ascertain
and recover the balance due. It can only be maintained
where there is such a relationship between the parties, as
to raise an obligation to account, and where the amount
due is uncertain and unliquidated." Benjamin J. Shipman,
Handbook of Common-Law Pleading § 56, at 144 (Henry
Winthrop Ballantine ed., 3d ed. 1923).
I actually hadn't thought about containers. Depending on the wording, containers might be considered an OS, meaning every time you restart a container you have to show your id or smth.
Add a line in the licencing agreement that if you are in the state of California you are not licensed to use the software. Then file lawsuit against the state government for violating the license agreement and make them pay for the crimes.
I like this answer the absolute best!
@Sparc343 Especially since all these Companies seem to think that it's perfectly kosher to be able to change their TOS &/or EULA at any time. So, it would kind of be ironic, imo-that this dirty tactic gets used against them (for once) !!!
New York has a bill being put forth that is far more egregious. They even want your fridge, microwave, anything that can touch the internet to force age verification.
On a surface level, that's hilarious. "ARE YOU OLD ENOUGH TO COOK THIS HOT POCKET‽" On a serious note, NY is a failed state.
They want every device to be tied to a photo ID but they don't want ID for voting.
@GunkDung the push for age verification has been a bipartisan issue in most countries it is being pushed including the US.
@ultimate9056 I mean cali, colorada and new york are all democrat states lol
@ultimate9056 the point still stands. If you are required to have a photoID to use any device then something far more important, like voting, should also. It's pure cognitive dissonance to say otherwise.
We need a federal level law that carpet bans the use of Digital Identification, Age Verification, and Biometrics for the use of online or digital security or identification. A Constitutional Amendment would be best.
It would but it will never pass. Passing an amendment requires 3/4 of all the state legislatures to agree (Meaning it would require massive bipartisan support)
May I ask how is Arch Linux going to collect that data??? It's installation medium is literally a terminal, how are they going to verify that information? What if I refuse to get a DE or a WM??? How about Gentoo? On Gentoo you compile your customized kernel, and you can just not compile the age verification part
And this is EXACTLY why a pile of rocks are smarter than a democrat (or any politician for that matter -- especially one from Commiefornia)!
Government is famous for making laws that are impossible to technically comply with. I'm a government programmer and they do it for us all the time. They end up having to ignore most regulations simply because they're infeasible, usually it's acceptable to just show some sort of effort was made, even if it didn't achieve a result.
As a Gentoo user, I'll take pleasure in patching that sh!t out of the system again. Just because I can.
Same. In a super dark timeline, I suppose it could be argued that operating systems should be shut down if not strictly compliant or too easy to bypass. Maybe you could have community toolkits that aren't quite full OS distributions. Basically LFS. Gentoo could potentially survive that way.
yes but it's stupid that you even have to
As a ex-Gentoo NixOS user, I'll look into hosting a repo for these patches on I2P or Yggdrasil if they will turn out to be necessary
If torrenting Linux ISOs actually becomes illegal, it’s going to kill the joke forever xD
"I'm just downloading Windows ISOs"
The dark web is going to get a bunch of refugees who just want to install steam without age verification.
DL all the isos while u can
You obviously have never heard of the streisand effect.
@kaffeice7yip, make your own repositories
It's always supposedly „for the children“ when everyone knows it's just to usher in the surveilance state
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"Get me the CEO of Linux on the phone right now!" -Politicians, probably
I absolutely cannot wait for a significant portion of the internet to go down due to these laws and see emergency repeals going into effect Jan 2.
nothing will happen as usual.
Won’t happen. Too much money for the companies running it to lose
But they won't be able to file a repeal, because the Capitol building's door locks will all stop working.
please Linux Devs! Make linux unuseable for california
Drop their systems. Cut their support. Cripple their IT infrastructure. Don’t let them slip their slope.
Let them break their systems and realize their mistake.
*all of the United States
Whist that would be funny, i do believe in software freedom, and i think Linux devs generally do too.
You should be able to lie to you own computer.
Which means people should be able to tell their computer "trust me I'm in Germany".
Could still make the USA timezones unselectable as System time though 😂😂😂
I was taught this in school, "If the law of the land oppresses the people of the land they have an obligation to break it."
Imagine if RHEL pulled out of California... i think that would change minds pretty quickly lol