My justification for choosing 4x5 over medium format was due to knowing my own approach to photography. I'm a planner. I have a specific project, I have a specific shot in mind, and pre-plan as much as I can. So I only need 1-3 shots each time I go out. I've tried walking towns, hikes, portraits etc with my Yashica Mat 124G and snapping away. But I only feel pressure to finish off a roll of film which will give me images I'll never look at again. So shooting single sheets and processing myself is more efficient than trying to produce 12 frames. But that's my process. I always go out with at least 4 sheets loaded for use but if I don't use them, it's no biggie. The reasons you laid out for shooting medium format are all completely justifiable for you and your photographic style. Good luck with whatever decision you choose mate.
I recently read Ansel Adams' The Camera and the way he describes using a 4x5 definitely intrigues me. Getting access to all the different camera movements to compose and create shots that are literally impossible with any other camera system to me is the biggest reason to use a 4x5. Maybe you could experiment with more elaborate movement uses for more drastic effects and see what you can come up with? You could even do a video comparing a medium format with no movements and a 4x5 with heavy use of movements, both shooting from the same viewpoints with the same film stock and equivalent focal length lenses. If you're not sure if all the extra hassle of large format is worth it then test that hypothesis!
MDay,--After shooting 4x5 for years mostly in my studio as well as 35mm and 6x6, I heartily recommend it; however it is not for everyone. A good way to become acquainted with the format is to assist experienced photogs who use large formats (LF). That way, you can see what LF can do; otherwise, your learning curve may be too much for you. You might keep in mind that LF has been used successfully almost in all situations--street photography, fashion, wars, portraiture, table top--food, products, etc.,--advertising, catalog work, architecture, landscape, fine art (whatever "fine art" means); the list goes on and on. On the other hand, some formats work particularly well in specific situations. For example, I knew Jim Marshall, and I could not imagine him doing his work with anything but his Leica cameras. So what does this all mean? Every format has its strengths and limitations; if you can, learn from the pros (someone who has been shooting for at least 10 years and preferably longer) and find your format(s) and accept (perhaps even find ways around) your format's limitations, financial or otherwise.
I’ve been shooting with view cameras for the past several years mostly because the ability to very carefully control perspective and focus are really important to how I see things. I also like the look and the simplicity of a contact print so I have gravitated to 5x7, 8x10 and 11x14 cameras. (4x5 feels a bit small for a contact print as the final presentation in my opinion.). The control that these cameras allow and the beauty of a large format contact print keep me working in this cumbersome and expensive format. But there are plenty of other ways of making a photograph and what works for me isn’t necessarily going to work for you. It’s hard to imagine Henri Cartier-Bresson shooting with anything but his Leica. And while I could see Michael Kenna making good use of a large format camera, he seems to manage pretty well with medium format. The camera only matters if it helps you achieve the image and the presentation that you are going for. It’s fun to play with a new camera. It can even be pretty inspiring. I would encourage anyone to try any format they are interested in. But I think it’s also good to discover your own preferred format and do most of your work in that.
“I’m enjoying it, but am I wasting my time and money?”… my thought is that you answered your own question. If you enjoy it, then it’s not a waste. Even if the result is something you could achieve faster/easier/cheaper with another method. This is largely the case of film photography in general. It’s an experience. If you enjoy the experience, then it’s worth the effort… or at least that’s how I justify shooting large format 😂. I see and think differently with the large format in the bag. But it has few technical tricks up it’s sleeve as well: movements, adjusting development for each shot, changing film type stock each shot… and delta 100 and 4x5 is like like green and grass. Just goes together.
I love that line of thinking, just enjoying the time. 👌🏻 If I could, I’d keep the Chamonix and get a 67ii kit as well, but I try to stick to the “one goes out, one comes in” routine just to save money.
@@Foxglove963 Don't think I said anything that would disagree with that... but also just because someone doesn't like or appreciate film doesn't make them not an artist.... Your comment is a bit odd all round.
@@brycepinson8641 Is it really? Photography originated from research into the light sensitive properties of salts like silver nitrate, etc. It is still possible to make your own light sensitive emulsions, contact print this in full sunlight. That is a quite different and totally involving experience, quite different from pressing a little button on a digital camera. If the art theorists assert that Picasso is the greatest painter of modern art, do you believe them, knowing that the bugger was a petty criminal?
For me, 4x5 is definitely worth: beside the obviously bigger negatives than 120 or 35mm, you get huge range to camera movements (tilt/shift/rise/etc), which is very useful for manipulating perspective/focus on camera e.g for architecture photography. You don't have those on smaller format cameras (except by using tilt-shift lens or custom made body like Flexbody, which is more limited). Also, different format means different mindset. When I'm shooting with a 4x5, I know what specific things I'm going to shoot, so 4 or 5 frames are OK. But if I'm not sure, or just walking around, then I'll pick a 120 or 35mm camera. BTW, it's interesting to note that historically LF shooters are associated with fine art, where they want the biggest and highest quality prints as possible.
@@edwardbrown2142 I have! My understanding is that they have limited adjustment in comparison to fully adjustable large format systems, unless you know something I don’t
My own 4x5 images fill me with a sense of peace, I think partly due to the process. I don't know that I care about anyone else's but for my own photos I love it.
I've shot LF (4x5 and 8x10) for over 40 years and I really enjoy it, but one of the main reasons I use these types of cameras is for the image management capabilities that the camera movements provide. I shoot quite a bit of 35mm and MF, too, but often get frustrated when I can't control the scene to capture exactly what I want.
wow, nice for you to "come out" with that, I am on the Autism spectrum too, but GREAT to hear you didn't punish her for the wall graffiti, just let her be her, FANTASTIC, we all need to vent our creativity, or SENSORY stimmulate, to feel centred and calm again at times. PS: if she is old enough, maybe even let her take a photo herself (4x5"), assisted, even show her the darkroom stuff; I find this real magic, seeing a plain piece of paper turn into a rich toned colour photo, And bet she would too. the slow and methodical approach is fine for people on the spectrum, the order and pace are calming and relaxing, and also the knowledge of what the result will be, if everything is done right, of coarse! ; but this would be a great way of her expressing herself, and her world ( and a way of bonding with you at the same time).
I think it took me about a year for 4x5 to "click" for me. For me the big change was shooting color film, especially color still-lifes. The overhead of setting up the camera feels much more worth it in a more controlled environment; it's tough to do outside for sure, not to mention hauling around all the gear. But the detail and control that I get with the big camera is really something special and unique -- I find the camera movements are super useful for still lifes, and shooting at f64 with many-minute to hour-long exposures lets interesting and beautiful things happen with window light and color film's reaction to the light. I also shoot an RZ67, as well as a Mamiya 6, and find that they fit different niches in my work. I do admit, though, that the 6x7 negative feels "almost there" in size, though my inclination has been to go in the other direction and get an 8x10 instead of the 4x5!
Personally I think that a camera is just a tool that has specific properties that fits specific challenges. The unique advantage of large format cameras is that the camera has movements that allow full control of the camera's focus. This distinguishes it from any other camera where the film and lens plane are always parallel to each other. These movements were the reason for me to get into large fornat. Another big advantage of large format is the use of sheet film, that allows finer conrol over film development on per image basis (N- and N+ development). The negative size and with it the insane resolution, the possibility to zoom into the image nearly infinitely, the shallow depth of field and the "large format look", or the effect of slowing down are secondary features that are nice but not necessary. If you use your large format camera like a "normal" camera IMHO there is no need do go large fornat. In other words going into large format is taking FULL control.
I’ve just started shooting 4x5, and film in general. I love the process even though my photos are rubbish. I’ll grow into the medium over time. I’ve only shot FP4 so far but have been Delta-curious.
The movements of a large format camera has been a game changer for me in landscape photography. The moment 4x5 "clicked" for me was photographing a model outdoors and being able to selectively control what was and wasn't in focus. The ability to independently control the front and rear standards to achieve my desired perspective is a big reason why I've been using other cameras less and less when I know I have time to set up the shot the way I've envisioned.
I'm starting to shoot 4x5 myself, and for me, besides playing with the camera movements and slowing down the process, is all about old turn-of-the-century lenses. I found a couple ones that I think are gonna create a quite unique look. You might just need to find a lens that gives you that special something in 4x5 like the Pentax 105/2.4 does in 6x7
I have gotten back into film photography because I am tired of working on the computer. I would shoot something with my digital go into Gimp and do all the adjustments in minutes that I used to take hours in the darkroom to do. I have discovered in my old age that it is more the journey than the destination. I now slow down and create the shot instead of taking the shot. With film and especially 4X5 It makes me a better digital shooter because the prep and composing of the shot carries over so I have very minimal fixing to do. It is also like Christmas. All the anticipation and If I am a good boy and do everything right I get a great gift of the image. If I am a bad boy and don't do it right I get a lump of coal. Main thought enjoy the trip!
For development of my negatives I've switched to the SP 8x10 daylight processing tray. I found it to be more reliable to get even results, and less issues with leaking chemicals (a constant problem with the SP-445), and I don't need to care about the exact amount of chemicals to put in. And the best - I could go 5x7 or 8x10 at any point in the future … 😁
I recently stated ( as in about 2 years ago) to make my Photographs on 4X5. I think it's a natural progration from 35mm and 120mm which I still use. I tend to use/ cary my 35mm every day and shoot what pops up. The 4x5 is more a thought out process, I soon will be traveling to a location where my wife and i have been numerous time and I have used the 35mm and 120mm but this time I am only taking the 4x5 to shoot specific spots of this Island. I also think given that photography has exploded and AI has made its way into the medium shooting 4x5 or 8x10 gives me a sense of authenticity because of all the set up one has to do before pressing the shutter release. It is a very tactile process. thanks Dominique Pierre-nina.
as a 4x5 shooter for around 1 year (intrepid + 135MM) this format suits me well but can be frustrating at times when the result comes not as good as expected but i think i appreciate more the moment than the result and by waiting a bit i start to like more my pictures
I use Delta 100 periodically but prefer TMAX 100. Generally, I prefer the look of TMAX. Hard to answer your query about large format as I don't know why you do large format. If it is for business then perhaps a Fuji medium format digital is more appropriate. But if it is for the "fun" of photography then large format is worth it. I have Sony digital, Leica, Canon and Zeiss Contax 35mm, Mamiya 67, 646, Bronical S2a and Kiev 88 medium format as well as a Lindhof Color Technikardan monorail, and an Intrepid 4x5. I love all of them and shoot mostly BW in all of them. The large format process is loads of fun. It isn't just the composition but the entire large format dance. As photography is a hobby for me, I look to experience all forms of the hobby. If I had to make my living with it, I would just shoot digital. So, whether it is worth it to you, largely depends upon what you want from it.
Well said Matt. When shooting up the scale, its good to decide if you are shooting for fun (no thinking about cost) or shooting for a specific print size (more project oriented). I went up till 14x17 to then discover that i can only contact print. At the same time, 35 mm or MF will give me more than enough than i need as my max preferred print size is 14x17. I sold everything and now only shooting 35 mm and Hasselblad. Only because i know what i need and these two formats give me more than enough.
Of course you're wasting your time and money! All art is waste of time and money. And if you're a robot, time and money is all that matters because we're all just economic units aren't we? Aren't we? I have a Toyo 4x5 and the same Spearman developing tank... now. I have a Pentax 67. I have a Nikon Z6ii. If a job needs to be done it's the Nikon, of course. But at my son's wedding, I took one photo with the Toyo. The pro photographer took many with his 35mm gear and got all the shots you`need' for a wedding. Very nice. The one photo they printed was the 4x5 print blown up to 3 feet by 3.75 feet, framed and hanging on the wall. The detail is magnifique! The large format `feel' is present in abundance. It is gorgeous. It has that large format `something.' It has the framing of a 35mm lens on a 35mm camera but the background blur of a 180mm lens on a large format camera. You are not looking at a photo. You are looking at an invitation to step into the scene and become a part of it. It's ethereal. It could have been taken anytime over the last 200 years. The Pentax produces the medium format feel but not as great as the 4x5. I think if I was to sell one `system' it would be the medium format. There's more `separation' between the large format and 35mm. Is the 4x5 a pain to use? Sure. Why not? Does it get a conversation going? Sure does. Awesome. Perhaps were not just robots after-all. I'm reminded of the Rolling Stones' song, `Angie'. There's a line in it - `ain't it good to be alive.'
Nice work with 4x5 Matt, don't give it up just yet, keep enjoying it as much as possible. I am itching sooo bad to start shooting 4x5, saving money slowly for that purpose. So, I will keep my eyes open for the give away of the Intrepid 😍❤ Thank you for giving it away and thanks to Intrepid for donating it. Someone will surely be lucky to have it and will enjoy it.
I totally understand your point with the Pentax. I have bought Pentax and a 4x5 and my to go camera is the Pentax. The 4x5 is good from time to time, but the flexibility of the Pentax is gonna make you focus in takin better photos and there is not need of the resolution of a 4x5.
All your images are great. Without having one of the full building for comparison, I still like the top juxtaposed with the tree. Very nicely done. I have yet to get my Intrepid in service, but I look forward to practicing the process and delving into the movements that are not available in the smaller formats. I anticipate enjoying the adventure, and really think that beyond the results, that is where a lot of the satisfaction will be found.
Love the interior shot with Nora’s handy work!! I just shot some HP5 120’in my Pentax for an upcoming video and after seeing the scans last night I’m hooked and can’t wait to shoot more of it!
For what it’s worth, I almost sold my 4x5 a few months after I got it for a medium format camera as well. I’m really glad I stuck with it, because I really hadn’t explored large format enough to make that decision! Now large format is what keeps me shooting film. It doesn’t even compare to 35mm when you’re making prints in the darkroom too!! Obviously everyone has their own process though, so do what feels right!
I can relate to a lot of this, I’ve wondered similar things too. I’m pretty new to 4x5 (about 15 developed sheets of film so far). Mostly just snapshots- just trying to get a feel for it and figure out what its place is in how I shoot film. I do enjoy the process and feel I’m starting to ‘get a feel for it' now- I think this is when you’re freed up to start to relax and truly enjoy it even more (it took forever for me to like my TLR, lol). I’m planning on taking it out for some street photography using the rangefinder feature & handholding it (Crown Graphic) to speed up the process and also bring my trusty Minolta X-570. Crazy thought and combo, I know, but why not? The SP-445 is awesome, it’s all I’ve ever used. I’ll be trying Delta and FP4 4x5 film after my current box of HP5- I love all of them on 35 & 120mm.
For portraits, I'm with Strand: the 4x5 ratio (he cropped his 5x7 to 5x6.25) just seems right. The tonality with the large negative, the possibility of contrast masking (pencil on frosted Mylar) in enlarging, and other factors, for me outweigh the difficulties. RE: the SP-445, I have used mine a lot over the past few years. Never a scratch. Two issues arose and were solved: light leak, evidently due to O-ring problem; uneven development, solved by using Tim's quick-flip agitation method per the video, emphatically including direction-reversal (though I agitate on the minute, not 30 secs). Enjoy!
I am just starting out in 4x5 photography using a pinhole camera that takes film backs. I use the Stearman Press 445 tank and ILFORD Delta 100 film. I like both products. I am interested in the Intrepid 4x5 camera and have just started looking into the ins and outs. I found your video very interesting. Thanks Matt.
If you like the economy of medium format, but you enjoy the slower process of shooting with uncorrected lens projection, you might consider the Mamiya RZ67. It's less expensive than the Pentax 67II, as are the lenses for it. It's an all-around amazing camera.
Tom Selleck - Ha! Pleased to hear you look to have found a solution to the developing and maybe if that remains resolved you will begin to enjoy the whole 4x5 process more. When I started shooting 120 and realised the cost per shot (I don't develop my own) I would sometimes use my phone to replicate the image I had in mind. Often I would realise it didn't have the impact I was looking for and would save a frame. When I eventually get to shooting 4x5 you can bet I'll be doing the same. I appreciate this might not be an approach you favour. Whatever the case, I hope you find your own way to find a purpose and passion for the 4x5, Matt. I love what you are doing with it.
I once joked with Mr. Verbeek after watching a video he made shooting portraits on something like 12” x 14” (!) Polaroid film (!!) - we’re so glad we can watch you try out these crazy cameras so that we don’t have to. That pretty much wraps up my thoughts on this format as well.
So far I'm into my (more or less) 150th roll of 35mm/120 film, but not even close to 150 shots on 4x5 film. I already got more shots I like with 4x5 than with roll films. I changed to large format but large format also changed me (a lot). I even find myself shooting roll films with the large format mentality. If you like to print big in darkroom, it's even more worth doing. I also like to get as many things done in camera as possible than in post. Camera movement is essential for this purpose. It also allows me to get everything (or most of the scene) in focus. All film shooters should at least give it a try.
I am with you on the debate on 4x5. I also enjoy the process of slowing down, composing etc. However, truthfully for most of my work, the 6x6 is more than enough for what I do. I use the Intrepid, which will become my enlarger. I use the Tackihara in the field. In all actuality, medium format is more than enough for most work. One of the big issues with 4x5 is not only the cost of film, developing etc. there is the limitation and expense of 4x5 scanners. Not all Epson scanners are capable of scanning 4x5. I know for sure, I will never shoot 8x10, that is one expensive system, the film alone is insanely expensive.
Delta 100 is a gorgeous and flexible emulsion. Even in small format, virtually grainless enlargements of beautiful tonality. I used to develop in Ilfotech 1:47 and get shimmering high values wiht lovely separation.
Matt, I had been shooting exclusively digital 35mm and AFC the past 15 years. During Covid, I decided to try to make a 4x5 camera. I ended up making two, patterned after the Chamonix model you have. Although 4x5 won't be replacing my digital, I find I'm learning more about studying a composition and taking my time more since I've started shooting the 4x5. It's helping my photography in total so I believe I will continue with some of the film well into the future. Also, the Stearman developing tank is great in my opinion.
I have just bought 4x5 and received my first box of film yesterday so can't wait to get out and play, I've gone with the stearman as I thought with the cost of the others and the volume of development is more efficient. Carry on with the vlog they are great.
I haven't shot 4x5 in years, but when I was my go-to combination was Ilford FP4 Plus developed in Kodak XTOL developer. Because of the nature of 4X5, I never did get the point of using faster speed films - I always went for fine grain - and my combination gave great results at a reasonable price point. I always developed my film in a darkroom using a simple tray tray I would rock back and forth for agitation, but that holder in the video looks a lot more convenient. It will be interesting to see how it holds up. I agree re: using a 6x7 for some work. Some things are better shot on 6x7, and the results are still amazing. I liked the Mamiya cameras as they could sync at any flash speed - quite important for me as I would use 6x7 mostly for shooting people, and I would almost always use flash.
a significant value of the 4x5 (adjustable) camera is the Scheimpflug principle; a description of , the lens plane, and the image plane of an optical system (such as a camera) when the lens plane is not parallel to the image plane.
Once I get into developing film at home more, I'll definitely look into getting a 4x5 to try it out. I think I would only use it for special occasions. I would use it for portraits in controlled environments or for revisiting locations for my landscape work. I mainly shoot on a tripod with my Mamiya RB67 and am happy with my results when I scan them at home. 6x7 is my go-to format and it's hard to resist it for me.
When I was shooting projects on 4x5, most of that was architecture, and the movements on the camera were the benefit. I did some lifestyle and portrait work on 4x5, though it was quite a bit of weight to carry, and really could’ve been accomplished on medium format (even 645).
It's pretty worth it if you're shooting LF. Question is if you need LF in your life, it's all just tools to create a photo that makes you smile. But in terms of LF - yes, 4x5 is worth it. Plenty of resolution, enlargable, scannable, somewhat affordable, plenty of options in terms of field cameras, plenty of film options (certainly more than in 8x10!), lightweight and "easy" to travel with, mistakes don't hurt as much. Still, I went with a 5x7 with the 4x5 reduction option as I feel 5x7 is the perfect format these days - still a nice choice of film and contact prints are super nice and you can use more less the same lenses as for 4x5.
I have both a 4x5 and a Pentax 67. I'd have to say that the 67 is my all time favorite camera and I've shot it more than anything. With the 4x5 I look at the movements and the high resolution as being worth it. The real problem is finding a scene where those things are truly needed. A note on the Sp445 which is awesome is I've only ever had one problem with it which was my fault for not getting the negative in all of the little notches along the side. I've missed the top two or three notches on one side before and that will scratch the hell out of your neg but good thing is it'll be confined to the edges so watch out for that.
I have huge respect for everyone working a setup like this. I would LOVE to have the tilt/shift capability this provides. But the hassle... I will stick to my 6x9, which is getting into 4x5 territory almost.
Should try 10x12 Major Russell dry tannin collodion plates, then. Only three day to set up a single picture, but it's really all hand made here. Take a 10x12 inch glass, clean it completely, cover in albumen, dry, cover with salted collodion, put in the silver bath, wash it twice and cover with a tannin solution, and dry. Expose for several minutes, from 3 to 30 depending on the light and now just develop in dangerous pyrogallic acid & silver nitrate, to end it with a hypo fixer bath.
Hi Matt, great video. I dabble in 4x5 but my camera is a behemoth ToyoView monorail camera; rock solid and has every adjustment you could want, but most definitely not a field camera. I'm in the process of selling it and picking a lighter alternative and the Intrepid Black edition in on my short list, so I"m glad I found this when I did. Happy shooting from an OU grad who also has a daughter named Nora. ;)
I realize this was three years ago, so I would be interested where you are with 4x5 - I know you mostly don't use it, but would love to hear where you are at. I currently use 4x5 90% of the time - and that's just because I love the process and the look. Cheers Matt take care.
I don't go bigger than medium format but from my understanding the advantage over grain the the delta series is offering is always more prevelent the bigger the film is. HP5 from my experience is getting less and less apealing the bigger negatives I go for and in general I'd say that HP5 is missing the spot once you move beyond the 35mm format.
I sold my 4x5 gear. I hated lugging it around, but shooting in the studio with polaroid peel apart film was my favorite. If that film was still around, I would still have my 4x5. Now I mainly shoot with my RB, but every now and again I think about trading it for a pentax because of the wider aperture lenses available.
In my experience 4x5 is much cheaper than any other format just because of how few sheets you actually expose on any given day. You might only get 2 or 3 exposures but comparably you might also burn through 1 or 2 rolls of 120 in that same amount of time which is either just as expensive or more expensive than selectively shooting sheet film. Like you said though these are just tools and large format has limitations for some purposes where SLR cameras would do the job better. Sometimes I'll just go out and shoot with a digital camera and I will often discover places that I'd like to revisit with the 4x5 so then when I return I have a plan of attack in mind and I come back with intention.
I had to smile when you said the Intrepid was a good way to save money. Let's be honest, shooting large format is not a good way to save money. That said, I love it. For me I got a Speed Graphic and Aero Ektar and fell in love with a look that's really unique. I also got a Wista field camera mostly for the looks TBH, but it is great for portraits because people feel like you're doing something special. But with modern glass is it that much different than you could do with medium format? I don't know. But one thing's for sure - it makes you appreciate all the idiot-proofing that goes into medium format film cameras!
I've never shot large format and only have a little experience with medium format. Yeas ago I shot 35mm and had my own darkroom. Processed mostly B&W with some Cibachrome prints from slides. Lately I've shot 120 6x6 pinhole and 6x9 with a Ansco Viking with 105mm 4.5 lens. After watching quite a few videos I can really see the appeal of large format if for nothing else, the control you can have. Also, getting back into developing film again along with the way I've had to really think about the shots and work to get metering down using an App. I've found the whole process enjoyable. Not sure I'll make that jump into large format but I'm intrigued!
funny, I actually really enjoyed that building photo. obviously the interior shot is the star here! I'm still trying to figure out whether I'm interested in large format or not.. one thing's for sure - with our twins at home I won't have time for it for years.
Stick with the process if you enjoy it. One thing I would say is maybe shoot some color as well. I like 4x5 black and white but color is really something different. I feel like color 4x5 images have a kind of look that is hard to replicate with smaller formats. As for b&w film in 4x5 I usually use hp5+ but shoot and develop it at iso800. The added contrast looks nice and it also doesn't affect the grain enough to matter at this size. Having an iso 800 option can come in handy sometimes with 4x5.
Very interesting discussion and some nice images. I go to my 4x5 (Wista 45DX) especially when I want to play with focus and perspective (as others have mentioned). But, I also like doing dry glass plates for which 4x5 (or larger) is essential. I do tray developing, one sheet at a time as I never have too many from one shoot.
Hey Matt. Just curious: on the portrait of Tyler, given the old “film prefers over exposure”/expose for the shadows idea, what made you decide to prioritise and set your highlight first? Was it just a stylistic choice to allow the shadows to go dark if necessary rather than blow the highlights? Also, how much did you adjust the meter reading? Always enjoy seeing your photos. 👍🏻
I don't know what Matt was thinking, but I would like say a few words on “film prefers over exposure”. “Expose for the shadow” usually goes with “develop for the highlight”. It is a general rule of thumb to obtain maximum detail from film. If one expose for shadow but did not develop for highlight, highlight could be blown out. But it really depends on how the scene is, how one interpret the scene and the definition of detail. Following this rule will give you a lot of detail for sure, but the photo could be kind of flat too because one might be compressing the dynamic range of the scene. That being said, film doesn't prefer over-exposure. It doesn't have preference. Artists have preferences. It comes down to how we like our photos.
Large format isn't really about resolution or movements in my opinion. Those are nice to have but medium format is more than sharp enough and movement are only useful in a few instances. The true appeal of large format is the process. The feel of the camera, the tactility, shooting frame by frame. It's such a long and hard process but rewards you with complete creative freedom.
Personally if you don't need the resolution and you're not using the movements then yeah, sorry to say but you probably don't really need it. I personally a many camera kinda person and my modified crown graphic and 3 lenses is great along side my Minolta X-700, Mamiya 645 1000s, & Pentax 67. I just like playing with different cameras too much to settle on one that I basically always use.
I enjoy shooting 4x5 but it’s got a work aspect to it. Hiking around all day and deciding to not take a picture because you know it’s just not right is a bit frustrating. But I also like film because it’s not worthless like each snap from the digital camera. The resolution is ridiculous and you have a lot of options if you can capture that shot. I’m going to shoot more of it and consider 8x10 I just don’t know if I want to carry that weight with everything involved outside a studio situation.
That first shot of Tyler is so rad! 🔥🔥 I’ve never shot a 4x5 but I’ve also probably taken less than 20 photos in my life on a tripod. Hahaha. I’ll stick with the Pentax 67. Love the looks of all these photos though.
I’ve been shooting on and off with a mamiya RB67 ProSD for a few years now and I’ve been contemplating switching to 4x5 for years but can’t bring myself to part with my RB it was the first proper camera I’ve brought but I always am thinking will 4x5 help me slow down more and make meaningful work and I have to admit I don’t think it will but it’s all about the process that you enjoy the most if it gets you excited and out taking pictures that’s the most important bit
I feel the same way you feel about about my Pentax 67 that you feel about 4x5. It’s amazing, slows down my work, and creates beautiful images, BUT when I share online to friends and family I feel like the stupid Instagram compression ruins the whole point of shooting medium format? Regardless The images do look completely different than my 35mm camera when compared, and I guess the extra resolution helps to compensate for the loss of quality due to compression. I don’t see myself getting into large format because of the 67.
I second Matts recommendation of the Stearman Press SP445 it's the easiest to load negatives in and I've so far not had any issues with negatives popping out of the holders or scratching or streaking like some of the other methods. It's definitely worth 95$.
I said it on instagram, and I'll say it here. Try a Graflex RB 4x5. It's a HANDHELD 4x5 SLR...it is a game changer! 4x5 ektachrome is $$$$ but drop dead gorgeous.
Are intrepid cameras even worth it for beginners? I've read a lot of horror stories of their cameras literally falling apart piece by piece especially their 8x10 cameras. Their quality control seems to be hit or miss since some people have actually never had issues with them
Interesting to read about quality control. I’ve just got a new black 4x5 from intrepid. A small area of the plastic 3D printed layers on the bellows mount (on baseplate) have separated. Also focussing mechanism is a little stiff & jerky in one or 2 places. It’s not quite the precision instrument I was hoping for. Still for the price it’s a great entry point.
Hi Matt, as you mentioned taking a lot of inspiration from books, have you got some books of portrait photographers using LF (Avedon, Karsh, Sally Mann, Newton, Irving Penn…). I think I remember you had Sally Mann books (more alternative process) but not sure about the others.
I tried 4x5 and in all honesty if I were doing it again and wanted to go big I would have gone to 8x10. 4x5 is more work than 35mm or medium format and for the extra effort would have liked a much larger negative and just contact printed rather than scan. Of course 8x10 film is more expensive and it seems suitable lenses that cover 8x10 are at least twice the price of those for 4x5.
Honestly I was thinking the same as you for a while but I'm glad I never pulled the trigger because everything is basically 3-4 times more expensive with 8x10.
My justification for choosing 4x5 over medium format was due to knowing my own approach to photography. I'm a planner. I have a specific project, I have a specific shot in mind, and pre-plan as much as I can. So I only need 1-3 shots each time I go out. I've tried walking towns, hikes, portraits etc with my Yashica Mat 124G and snapping away. But I only feel pressure to finish off a roll of film which will give me images I'll never look at again. So shooting single sheets and processing myself is more efficient than trying to produce 12 frames.
But that's my process. I always go out with at least 4 sheets loaded for use but if I don't use them, it's no biggie. The reasons you laid out for shooting medium format are all completely justifiable for you and your photographic style. Good luck with whatever decision you choose mate.
I recently read Ansel Adams' The Camera and the way he describes using a 4x5 definitely intrigues me. Getting access to all the different camera movements to compose and create shots that are literally impossible with any other camera system to me is the biggest reason to use a 4x5. Maybe you could experiment with more elaborate movement uses for more drastic effects and see what you can come up with? You could even do a video comparing a medium format with no movements and a 4x5 with heavy use of movements, both shooting from the same viewpoints with the same film stock and equivalent focal length lenses. If you're not sure if all the extra hassle of large format is worth it then test that hypothesis!
MDay,--After shooting 4x5 for years mostly in my studio as well as 35mm and 6x6, I heartily recommend it; however it is not for everyone. A good way to become acquainted with the format is to assist experienced photogs who use large formats (LF). That way, you can see what LF can do; otherwise, your learning curve may be too much for you. You might keep in mind that LF has been used successfully almost in all situations--street photography, fashion, wars, portraiture, table top--food, products, etc.,--advertising, catalog work, architecture, landscape, fine art (whatever "fine art" means); the list goes on and on. On the other hand, some formats work particularly well in specific situations. For example, I knew Jim Marshall, and I could not imagine him doing his work with anything but his Leica cameras. So what does this all mean? Every format has its strengths and limitations; if you can, learn from the pros (someone who has been shooting for at least 10 years and preferably longer) and find your format(s) and accept (perhaps even find ways around) your format's limitations, financial or otherwise.
I’ve been shooting with view cameras for the past several years mostly because the ability to very carefully control perspective and focus are really important to how I see things. I also like the look and the simplicity of a contact print so I have gravitated to 5x7, 8x10 and 11x14 cameras. (4x5 feels a bit small for a contact print as the final presentation in my opinion.). The control that these cameras allow and the beauty of a large format contact print keep me working in this cumbersome and expensive format.
But there are plenty of other ways of making a photograph and what works for me isn’t necessarily going to work for you. It’s hard to imagine Henri Cartier-Bresson shooting with anything but his Leica. And while I could see Michael Kenna making good use of a large format camera, he seems to manage pretty well with medium format. The camera only matters if it helps you achieve the image and the presentation that you are going for. It’s fun to play with a new camera. It can even be pretty inspiring. I would encourage anyone to try any format they are interested in. But I think it’s also good to discover your own preferred format and do most of your work in that.
"Tom Selleck..." Really got me there! :D
Matt is very funny and not at all a bully
“I’m enjoying it, but am I wasting my time and money?”… my thought is that you answered your own question. If you enjoy it, then it’s not a waste. Even if the result is something you could achieve faster/easier/cheaper with another method. This is largely the case of film photography in general. It’s an experience. If you enjoy the experience, then it’s worth the effort… or at least that’s how I justify shooting large format 😂. I see and think differently with the large format in the bag. But it has few technical tricks up it’s sleeve as well: movements, adjusting development for each shot, changing film type stock each shot… and delta 100 and 4x5 is like like green and grass. Just goes together.
I love that line of thinking, just enjoying the time. 👌🏻 If I could, I’d keep the Chamonix and get a 67ii kit as well, but I try to stick to the “one goes out, one comes in” routine just to save money.
Thats what i do too.
I don’t know how to keep any camera am not using.
Bryce Pinson. Film photography has another character, another quality. If you fail to recognise this then you'll probably never be an artist.
@@Foxglove963 Don't think I said anything that would disagree with that... but also just because someone doesn't like or appreciate film doesn't make them not an artist.... Your comment is a bit odd all round.
@@brycepinson8641 Is it really? Photography originated from research into the light sensitive properties of salts like silver nitrate, etc. It is still possible to make your own light sensitive emulsions, contact print this in full sunlight. That is a quite different and totally involving experience, quite different from pressing a little button on a digital camera. If the art theorists assert that Picasso is the greatest painter of modern art, do you believe them, knowing that the bugger was a petty criminal?
For me, 4x5 is definitely worth: beside the obviously bigger negatives than 120 or 35mm, you get huge range to camera movements (tilt/shift/rise/etc), which is very useful for manipulating perspective/focus on camera e.g for architecture photography. You don't have those on smaller format cameras (except by using tilt-shift lens or custom made body like Flexbody, which is more limited).
Also, different format means different mindset. When I'm shooting with a 4x5, I know what specific things I'm going to shoot, so 4 or 5 frames are OK. But if I'm not sure, or just walking around, then I'll pick a 120 or 35mm camera.
BTW, it's interesting to note that historically LF shooters are associated with fine art, where they want the biggest and highest quality prints as possible.
I'm definitely getting into it at some point, primarily for the adjustable focal plane. That alone keeps large format as a relevant medium.
have you seen the 120 film cameras with the adjustable bellows?
@@edwardbrown2142 I have! My understanding is that they have limited adjustment in comparison to fully adjustable large format systems, unless you know something I don’t
My own 4x5 images fill me with a sense of peace, I think partly due to the process. I don't know that I care about anyone else's but for my own photos I love it.
I've shot LF (4x5 and 8x10) for over 40 years and I really enjoy it, but one of the main reasons I use these types of cameras is for the image management capabilities that the camera movements provide. I shoot quite a bit of 35mm and MF, too, but often get frustrated when I can't control the scene to capture exactly what I want.
Any film format you use, I think it's never a waste, there is something to learn all the time, as long as you are open to learning...
Good job Nora. Writing her name was the best part of the video.
The name “Delta 100” just hits different in 2021…..
wow, nice for you to "come out" with that, I am on the Autism spectrum too, but GREAT to hear you didn't punish her for the wall graffiti, just let her be her, FANTASTIC, we all need to vent our creativity, or SENSORY stimmulate, to feel centred and calm again at times.
PS: if she is old enough, maybe even let her take a photo herself (4x5"), assisted, even show her the darkroom stuff; I find this real magic, seeing a plain piece of paper turn into a rich toned colour photo, And bet she would too. the slow and methodical approach is fine for people on the spectrum, the order and pace are calming and relaxing, and also the knowledge of what the result will be, if everything is done right, of coarse! ; but this would be a great way of her expressing herself, and her world ( and a way of bonding with you at the same time).
Matt and his pentax 67 ii is one of most classic duo in the film photography scene!! His nikon f2 is also a signature piece of gear he owns!!
I think it took me about a year for 4x5 to "click" for me. For me the big change was shooting color film, especially color still-lifes. The overhead of setting up the camera feels much more worth it in a more controlled environment; it's tough to do outside for sure, not to mention hauling around all the gear. But the detail and control that I get with the big camera is really something special and unique -- I find the camera movements are super useful for still lifes, and shooting at f64 with many-minute to hour-long exposures lets interesting and beautiful things happen with window light and color film's reaction to the light.
I also shoot an RZ67, as well as a Mamiya 6, and find that they fit different niches in my work. I do admit, though, that the 6x7 negative feels "almost there" in size, though my inclination has been to go in the other direction and get an 8x10 instead of the 4x5!
Personally I think that a camera is just a tool that has specific properties that fits specific challenges. The unique advantage of large format cameras is that the camera has movements that allow full control of the camera's focus. This distinguishes it from any other camera where the film and lens plane are always parallel to each other. These movements were the reason for me to get into large fornat. Another big advantage of large format is the use of sheet film, that allows finer conrol over film development on per image basis (N- and N+ development).
The negative size and with it the insane resolution, the possibility to zoom into the image nearly infinitely, the shallow depth of field and the "large format look", or the effect of slowing down are secondary features that are nice but not necessary. If you use your large format camera like a "normal" camera IMHO there is no need do go large fornat.
In other words going into large format is taking FULL control.
I’ve just started shooting 4x5, and film in general. I love the process even though my photos are rubbish. I’ll grow into the medium over time. I’ve only shot FP4 so far but have been Delta-curious.
The movements of a large format camera has been a game changer for me in landscape photography. The moment 4x5 "clicked" for me was photographing a model outdoors and being able to selectively control what was and wasn't in focus. The ability to independently control the front and rear standards to achieve my desired perspective is a big reason why I've been using other cameras less and less when I know I have time to set up the shot the way I've envisioned.
I'm starting to shoot 4x5 myself, and for me, besides playing with the camera movements and slowing down the process, is all about old turn-of-the-century lenses. I found a couple ones that I think are gonna create a quite unique look. You might just need to find a lens that gives you that special something in 4x5 like the Pentax 105/2.4 does in 6x7
I have gotten back into film photography because I am tired of working on the computer. I would shoot something with my digital go into Gimp and do all the adjustments in minutes that I used to take hours in the darkroom to do. I have discovered in my old age that it is more the journey than the destination. I now slow down and create the shot instead of taking the shot. With film and especially 4X5 It makes me a better digital shooter because the prep and composing of the shot carries over so I have very minimal fixing to do. It is also like Christmas. All the anticipation and If I am a good boy and do everything right I get a great gift of the image. If I am a bad boy and don't do it right I get a lump of coal. Main thought enjoy the trip!
For me, it was Matt explaining the zone system in a roundabout way that made sense to him.
Calling it the zone system just scares people away. Haha. As long as it makes sense to get the result you want. 👍🏻
For development of my negatives I've switched to the SP 8x10 daylight processing tray. I found it to be more reliable to get even results, and less issues with leaking chemicals (a constant problem with the SP-445), and I don't need to care about the exact amount of chemicals to put in. And the best - I could go 5x7 or 8x10 at any point in the future … 😁
I recently stated ( as in about 2 years ago) to make my Photographs on 4X5. I think it's a natural progration from 35mm and 120mm which I still use. I tend to use/ cary my 35mm every day and shoot what pops up. The 4x5 is more a thought out process, I soon will be traveling to a location where my wife and i have been numerous time and I have used the 35mm and 120mm but this time I am only taking the 4x5 to shoot specific spots of this Island. I also think given that photography has exploded and AI has made its way into the medium shooting 4x5 or 8x10 gives me a sense of authenticity because of all the set up one has to do before pressing the shutter release. It is a very tactile process. thanks Dominique Pierre-nina.
as a 4x5 shooter for around 1 year (intrepid + 135MM) this format suits me well but can be frustrating at times when the result comes not as good as expected but i think i appreciate more the moment than the result and by waiting a bit i start to like more my pictures
I use Delta 100 periodically but prefer TMAX 100. Generally, I prefer the look of TMAX. Hard to answer your query about large format as I don't know why you do large format. If it is for business then perhaps a Fuji medium format digital is more appropriate. But if it is for the "fun" of photography then large format is worth it. I have Sony digital, Leica, Canon and Zeiss Contax 35mm, Mamiya 67, 646, Bronical S2a and Kiev 88 medium format as well as a Lindhof Color Technikardan monorail, and an Intrepid 4x5. I love all of them and shoot mostly BW in all of them. The large format process is loads of fun. It isn't just the composition but the entire large format dance. As photography is a hobby for me, I look to experience all forms of the hobby. If I had to make my living with it, I would just shoot digital. So, whether it is worth it to you, largely depends upon what you want from it.
Well said Matt.
When shooting up the scale, its good to decide if you are shooting for fun (no thinking about cost) or shooting for a specific print size (more project oriented). I went up till 14x17 to then discover that i can only contact print. At the same time, 35 mm or MF will give me more than enough than i need as my max preferred print size is 14x17. I sold everything and now only shooting 35 mm and Hasselblad.
Only because i know what i need and these two formats give me more than enough.
Of course you're wasting your time and money! All art is waste of time and money. And if you're a robot, time and money is all that matters because we're all just economic units aren't we? Aren't we? I have a Toyo 4x5 and the same Spearman developing tank... now. I have a Pentax 67. I have a Nikon Z6ii. If a job needs to be done it's the Nikon, of course. But at my son's wedding, I took one photo with the Toyo. The pro photographer took many with his 35mm gear and got all the shots you`need' for a wedding. Very nice. The one photo they printed was the 4x5 print blown up to 3 feet by 3.75 feet, framed and hanging on the wall. The detail is magnifique! The large format `feel' is present in abundance. It is gorgeous. It has that large format `something.' It has the framing of a 35mm lens on a 35mm camera but the background blur of a 180mm lens on a large format camera. You are not looking at a photo. You are looking at an invitation to step into the scene and become a part of it. It's ethereal. It could have been taken anytime over the last 200 years. The Pentax produces the medium format feel but not as great as the 4x5. I think if I was to sell one `system' it would be the medium format. There's more `separation' between the large format and 35mm. Is the 4x5 a pain to use? Sure. Why not? Does it get a conversation going? Sure does. Awesome. Perhaps were not just robots after-all. I'm reminded of the Rolling Stones' song, `Angie'. There's a line in it - `ain't it good to be alive.'
3:54, got to be one of my favorite images of yours
Nice work with 4x5 Matt, don't give it up just yet, keep enjoying it as much as possible. I am itching sooo bad to start shooting 4x5, saving money slowly for that purpose. So, I will keep my eyes open for the give away of the Intrepid 😍❤ Thank you for giving it away and thanks to Intrepid for donating it. Someone will surely be lucky to have it and will enjoy it.
I totally understand your point with the Pentax. I have bought Pentax and a 4x5 and my to go camera is the Pentax. The 4x5 is good from time to time, but the flexibility of the Pentax is gonna make you focus in takin better photos and there is not need of the resolution of a 4x5.
I love 4x5 always have done since first being introduced to it at fulfill school in 1992. Once you master it their is no going back.
All your images are great. Without having one of the full building for comparison, I still like the top juxtaposed with the tree. Very nicely done.
I have yet to get my Intrepid in service, but I look forward to practicing the process and delving into the movements that are not available in the smaller formats. I anticipate enjoying the adventure, and really think that beyond the results, that is where a lot of the satisfaction will be found.
Love the interior shot with Nora’s handy work!! I just shot some HP5 120’in my Pentax for an upcoming video and after seeing the scans last night I’m hooked and can’t wait to shoot more of it!
For what it’s worth, I almost sold my 4x5 a few months after I got it for a medium format camera as well. I’m really glad I stuck with it, because I really hadn’t explored large format enough to make that decision! Now large format is what keeps me shooting film. It doesn’t even compare to 35mm when you’re making prints in the darkroom too!! Obviously everyone has their own process though, so do what feels right!
I can relate to a lot of this, I’ve wondered similar things too. I’m pretty new to 4x5 (about 15 developed sheets of film so far). Mostly just snapshots- just trying to get a feel for it and figure out what its place is in how I shoot film. I do enjoy the process and feel I’m starting to ‘get a feel for it' now- I think this is when you’re freed up to start to relax and truly enjoy it even more (it took forever for me to like my TLR, lol). I’m planning on taking it out for some street photography using the rangefinder feature & handholding it (Crown Graphic) to speed up the process and also bring my trusty Minolta X-570. Crazy thought and combo, I know, but why not? The SP-445 is awesome, it’s all I’ve ever used. I’ll be trying Delta and FP4 4x5 film after my current box of HP5- I love all of them on 35 & 120mm.
For portraits, I'm with Strand: the 4x5 ratio (he cropped his 5x7 to 5x6.25) just seems right. The tonality with the large negative, the possibility of contrast masking (pencil on frosted Mylar) in enlarging, and other factors, for me outweigh the difficulties. RE: the SP-445, I have used mine a lot over the past few years. Never a scratch. Two issues arose and were solved: light leak, evidently due to O-ring problem; uneven development, solved by using Tim's quick-flip agitation method per the video, emphatically including direction-reversal (though I agitate on the minute, not 30 secs). Enjoy!
I am just starting out in 4x5 photography using a pinhole camera that takes film backs. I use the Stearman Press 445 tank and ILFORD Delta 100 film. I like both products. I am interested in the Intrepid 4x5 camera and have just started looking into the ins and outs. I found your video very interesting. Thanks Matt.
If you like the economy of medium format, but you enjoy the slower process of shooting with uncorrected lens projection, you might consider the Mamiya RZ67. It's less expensive than the Pentax 67II, as are the lenses for it. It's an all-around amazing camera.
Tom Selleck - Ha!
Pleased to hear you look to have found a solution to the developing and maybe if that remains resolved you will begin to enjoy the whole 4x5 process more.
When I started shooting 120 and realised the cost per shot (I don't develop my own) I would sometimes use my phone to replicate the image I had in mind. Often I would realise it didn't have the impact I was looking for and would save a frame. When I eventually get to shooting 4x5 you can bet I'll be doing the same. I appreciate this might not be an approach you favour.
Whatever the case, I hope you find your own way to find a purpose and passion for the 4x5, Matt. I love what you are doing with it.
I once joked with Mr. Verbeek after watching a video he made shooting portraits on something like 12” x 14” (!) Polaroid film (!!) - we’re so glad we can watch you try out these crazy cameras so that we don’t have to. That pretty much wraps up my thoughts on this format as well.
So far I'm into my (more or less) 150th roll of 35mm/120 film, but not even close to 150 shots on 4x5 film. I already got more shots I like with 4x5 than with roll films. I changed to large format but large format also changed me (a lot). I even find myself shooting roll films with the large format mentality. If you like to print big in darkroom, it's even more worth doing. I also like to get as many things done in camera as possible than in post. Camera movement is essential for this purpose. It also allows me to get everything (or most of the scene) in focus. All film shooters should at least give it a try.
I am with you on the debate on 4x5. I also enjoy the process of slowing down, composing etc. However, truthfully for most of my work, the 6x6 is more than enough for what I do. I use the Intrepid, which will become my enlarger. I use the Tackihara in the field. In all actuality, medium format is more than enough for most work. One of the big issues with 4x5 is not only the cost of film, developing etc. there is the limitation and expense of 4x5 scanners. Not all Epson scanners are capable of scanning 4x5.
I know for sure, I will never shoot 8x10, that is one expensive system, the film alone is insanely expensive.
Delta 100 is a gorgeous and flexible emulsion. Even in small format, virtually grainless enlargements of beautiful tonality. I used to develop in Ilfotech 1:47 and get shimmering high values wiht lovely separation.
Matt, I had been shooting exclusively digital 35mm and AFC the past 15 years. During Covid, I decided to try to make a 4x5 camera. I ended up making two, patterned after the Chamonix model you have. Although 4x5 won't be replacing my digital, I find I'm learning more about studying a composition and taking my time more since I've started shooting the 4x5. It's helping my photography in total so I believe I will continue with some of the film well into the future. Also, the Stearman developing tank is great in my opinion.
I have just bought 4x5 and received my first box of film yesterday so can't wait to get out and play, I've gone with the stearman as I thought with the cost of the others and the volume of development is more efficient. Carry on with the vlog they are great.
I haven't shot 4x5 in years, but when I was my go-to combination was Ilford FP4 Plus developed in Kodak XTOL developer. Because of the nature of 4X5, I never did get the point of using faster speed films - I always went for fine grain - and my combination gave great results at a reasonable price point. I always developed my film in a darkroom using a simple tray tray I would rock back and forth for agitation, but that holder in the video looks a lot more convenient. It will be interesting to see how it holds up.
I agree re: using a 6x7 for some work. Some things are better shot on 6x7, and the results are still amazing. I liked the Mamiya cameras as they could sync at any flash speed - quite important for me as I would use 6x7 mostly for shooting people, and I would almost always use flash.
I love shooting 4x5 for special projects. Crown Graphic rocks!
Love the third photo Matt; I see an entire story of a family and their home in one photo and the actual story behind the photo is so funny!
a significant value of the 4x5 (adjustable) camera is the Scheimpflug principle; a description of , the lens plane, and the image plane of an optical system (such as a camera) when the lens plane is not parallel to the image plane.
Once I get into developing film at home more, I'll definitely look into getting a 4x5 to try it out. I think I would only use it for special occasions. I would use it for portraits in controlled environments or for revisiting locations for my landscape work. I mainly shoot on a tripod with my Mamiya RB67 and am happy with my results when I scan them at home. 6x7 is my go-to format and it's hard to resist it for me.
Ilford Delta 100 is an insanely beautiful film. I shoot the 35mm version on occasion.
When I was shooting projects on 4x5, most of that was architecture, and the movements on the camera were the benefit. I did some lifestyle and portrait work on 4x5, though it was quite a bit of weight to carry, and really could’ve been accomplished on medium format (even 645).
It's pretty worth it if you're shooting LF. Question is if you need LF in your life, it's all just tools to create a photo that makes you smile.
But in terms of LF - yes, 4x5 is worth it. Plenty of resolution, enlargable, scannable, somewhat affordable, plenty of options in terms of field cameras, plenty of film options (certainly more than in 8x10!), lightweight and "easy" to travel with, mistakes don't hurt as much.
Still, I went with a 5x7 with the 4x5 reduction option as I feel 5x7 is the perfect format these days - still a nice choice of film and contact prints are super nice and you can use more less the same lenses as for 4x5.
I have both a 4x5 and a Pentax 67. I'd have to say that the 67 is my all time favorite camera and I've shot it more than anything. With the 4x5 I look at the movements and the high resolution as being worth it. The real problem is finding a scene where those things are truly needed. A note on the Sp445 which is awesome is I've only ever had one problem with it which was my fault for not getting the negative in all of the little notches along the side. I've missed the top two or three notches on one side before and that will scratch the hell out of your neg but good thing is it'll be confined to the edges so watch out for that.
I have huge respect for everyone working a setup like this. I would LOVE to have the tilt/shift capability this provides. But the hassle...
I will stick to my 6x9, which is getting into 4x5 territory almost.
Should try 10x12 Major Russell dry tannin collodion plates, then. Only three day to set up a single picture, but it's really all hand made here. Take a 10x12 inch glass, clean it completely, cover in albumen, dry, cover with salted collodion, put in the silver bath, wash it twice and cover with a tannin solution, and dry. Expose for several minutes, from 3 to 30 depending on the light and now just develop in dangerous pyrogallic acid & silver nitrate, to end it with a hypo fixer bath.
Hi Matt, great video. I dabble in 4x5 but my camera is a behemoth ToyoView monorail camera; rock solid and has every adjustment you could want, but most definitely not a field camera. I'm in the process of selling it and picking a lighter alternative and the Intrepid Black edition in on my short list, so I"m glad I found this when I did.
Happy shooting from an OU grad who also has a daughter named Nora. ;)
I realize this was three years ago, so I would be interested where you are with 4x5 - I know you mostly don't use it, but would love to hear where you are at. I currently use 4x5 90% of the time - and that's just because I love the process and the look. Cheers Matt take care.
Don't you and Hugh Brownstone need to do a video together to talk about shooting large format film?
Hold that thought
@@AndrewWood42 slow clap sir, slow clap for you!
I don't go bigger than medium format but from my understanding the advantage over grain the the delta series is offering is always more prevelent the bigger the film is. HP5 from my experience is getting less and less apealing the bigger negatives I go for and in general I'd say that HP5 is missing the spot once you move beyond the 35mm format.
I sold my 4x5 gear. I hated lugging it around, but shooting in the studio with polaroid peel apart film was my favorite. If that film was still around, I would still have my 4x5. Now I mainly shoot with my RB, but every now and again I think about trading it for a pentax because of the wider aperture lenses available.
In my experience 4x5 is much cheaper than any other format just because of how few sheets you actually expose on any given day. You might only get 2 or 3 exposures but comparably you might also burn through 1 or 2 rolls of 120 in that same amount of time which is either just as expensive or more expensive than selectively shooting sheet film. Like you said though these are just tools and large format has limitations for some purposes where SLR cameras would do the job better. Sometimes I'll just go out and shoot with a digital camera and I will often discover places that I'd like to revisit with the 4x5 so then when I return I have a plan of attack in mind and I come back with intention.
I have the MOD54 for developing 4x5 film and am happy with it. Fits a Patterson 3 reel tank, so not much extra costs.
I had to smile when you said the Intrepid was a good way to save money. Let's be honest, shooting large format is not a good way to save money. That said, I love it. For me I got a Speed Graphic and Aero Ektar and fell in love with a look that's really unique. I also got a Wista field camera mostly for the looks TBH, but it is great for portraits because people feel like you're doing something special. But with modern glass is it that much different than you could do with medium format? I don't know. But one thing's for sure - it makes you appreciate all the idiot-proofing that goes into medium format film cameras!
I've never shot large format and only have a little experience with medium format. Yeas ago I shot 35mm and had my own darkroom. Processed mostly B&W with some Cibachrome prints from slides. Lately I've shot 120 6x6 pinhole and 6x9 with a Ansco Viking with 105mm 4.5 lens. After watching quite a few videos I can really see the appeal of large format if for nothing else, the control you can have. Also, getting back into developing film again along with the way I've had to really think about the shots and work to get metering down using an App. I've found the whole process enjoyable. Not sure I'll make that jump into large format but I'm intrigued!
Keep the 4 by 5!!!!!
funny, I actually really enjoyed that building photo. obviously the interior shot is the star here!
I'm still trying to figure out whether I'm interested in large format or not.. one thing's for sure - with our twins at home I won't have time for it for years.
Stick with the process if you enjoy it. One thing I would say is maybe shoot some color as well. I like 4x5 black and white but color is really something different. I feel like color 4x5 images have a kind of look that is hard to replicate with smaller formats. As for b&w film in 4x5 I usually use hp5+ but shoot and develop it at iso800. The added contrast looks nice and it also doesn't affect the grain enough to matter at this size. Having an iso 800 option can come in handy sometimes with 4x5.
Your 4x5 photos are beautiful! I would love to dive into 4x5 myself, the costs seem a bit much at the moment
Very interesting discussion and some nice images. I go to my 4x5 (Wista 45DX) especially when I want to play with focus and perspective (as others have mentioned). But, I also like doing dry glass plates for which 4x5 (or larger) is essential. I do tray developing, one sheet at a time as I never have too many from one shoot.
Hey Matt. Just curious: on the portrait of Tyler, given the old “film prefers over exposure”/expose for the shadows idea, what made you decide to prioritise and set your highlight first? Was it just a stylistic choice to allow the shadows to go dark if necessary rather than blow the highlights? Also, how much did you adjust the meter reading?
Always enjoy seeing your photos. 👍🏻
I don't know what Matt was thinking, but I would like say a few words on “film prefers over exposure”.
“Expose for the shadow” usually goes with “develop for the highlight”. It is a general rule of thumb to obtain maximum detail from film. If one expose for shadow but did not develop for highlight, highlight could be blown out. But it really depends on how the scene is, how one interpret the scene and the definition of detail. Following this rule will give you a lot of detail for sure, but the photo could be kind of flat too because one might be compressing the dynamic range of the scene.
That being said, film doesn't prefer over-exposure. It doesn't have preference. Artists have preferences. It comes down to how we like our photos.
Roasting your buddy immediately before mentioning he let you borrow lenses, savage; I love it! Ha!
Large format isn't really about resolution or movements in my opinion. Those are nice to have but medium format is more than sharp enough and movement are only useful in a few instances. The true appeal of large format is the process. The feel of the camera, the tactility, shooting frame by frame. It's such a long and hard process but rewards you with complete creative freedom.
your photograph about your daughter and her hand prints on the walls made me think about some work by John Divola: Zuma series (from the 70's) :-)
i got back into 4x5 been shooting ilford fp4 plus. been good so far.
I'll be interested in your large format journey. I think 5x7 is where it really gets good.
Sick video - super informative and great shots!
I don't know if I can justify needing to shoot 4x5, but if I had a Linhof Master Technika kit I'm sure I could figure out a way.
I miss shooting 4x5. I’ve only shot a few frames (portraits) but man… they look so good.
Hi Matt, Re film for large format. Been thinking of using FP4 with my new 10 x 8 when it arrives. What made you go for delta rather than FP4.
Funny, the same thoughts you have about 4x5 are the same I have about shooting 35mm digitally
Personally if you don't need the resolution and you're not using the movements then yeah, sorry to say but you probably don't really need it. I personally a many camera kinda person and my modified crown graphic and 3 lenses is great along side my Minolta X-700, Mamiya 645 1000s, & Pentax 67. I just like playing with different cameras too much to settle on one that I basically always use.
I enjoy shooting 4x5 but it’s got a work aspect to it. Hiking around all day and deciding to not take a picture because you know it’s just not right is a bit frustrating. But I also like film because it’s not worthless like each snap from the digital camera. The resolution is ridiculous and you have a lot of options if you can capture that shot. I’m going to shoot more of it and consider 8x10 I just don’t know if I want to carry that weight with everything involved outside a studio situation.
“It’s a long, slow and tedious process; I love it”
4x5 is Hard 8x10 is Even harder But ...
Once you get the image you imagine
Nothing comes close 👌😎
Nice video. I'd like to know what developer you used for the Delta 100? thanks
Good one Matt!
That first shot of Tyler is so rad! 🔥🔥 I’ve never shot a 4x5 but I’ve also probably taken less than 20 photos in my life on a tripod. Hahaha. I’ll stick with the Pentax 67. Love the looks of all these photos though.
I enjoy shooting 4x5 for special projects. So far my Graflex Crown Graphic yet to fail me.
I’ve been shooting on and off with a mamiya RB67 ProSD for a few years now and I’ve been contemplating switching to 4x5 for years but can’t bring myself to part with my RB it was the first proper camera I’ve brought but I always am thinking will 4x5 help me slow down more and make meaningful work and I have to admit I don’t think it will but it’s all about the process that you enjoy the most if it gets you excited and out taking pictures that’s the most important bit
Sick Carpet tee Matt ! 🤝
I feel the same way you feel about about my Pentax 67 that you feel about 4x5. It’s amazing, slows down my work, and creates beautiful images, BUT when I share online to friends and family I feel like the stupid Instagram compression ruins the whole point of shooting medium format? Regardless The images do look completely different than my 35mm camera when compared, and I guess the extra resolution helps to compensate for the loss of quality due to compression. I don’t see myself getting into large format because of the 67.
I really need a good light safe developing tool for 4x5 because my NYC apartment is NOT conducive to my current tray development.
I second Matts recommendation of the Stearman Press SP445 it's the easiest to load negatives in and I've so far not had any issues with negatives popping out of the holders or scratching or streaking like some of the other methods. It's definitely worth 95$.
I said it on instagram, and I'll say it here. Try a Graflex RB 4x5. It's a HANDHELD 4x5 SLR...it is a game changer! 4x5 ektachrome is $$$$ but drop dead gorgeous.
I don’t think any of our cameras matter in the grand scheme of things as long as the work stands up for itself.
Are intrepid cameras even worth it for beginners? I've read a lot of horror stories of their cameras literally falling apart piece by piece especially their 8x10 cameras. Their quality control seems to be hit or miss since some people have actually never had issues with them
Interesting to read about quality control. I’ve just got a new black 4x5 from intrepid. A small area of the plastic 3D printed layers on the bellows mount (on baseplate) have separated. Also focussing mechanism is a little stiff & jerky in one or 2 places. It’s not quite the precision instrument I was hoping for. Still for the price it’s a great entry point.
Hi Matt, as you mentioned taking a lot of inspiration from books, have you got some books of portrait photographers using LF (Avedon, Karsh, Sally Mann, Newton, Irving Penn…). I think I remember you had Sally Mann books (more alternative process) but not sure about the others.
I tried 4x5 and in all honesty if I were doing it again and wanted to go big I would have gone to 8x10. 4x5 is more work than 35mm or medium format and for the extra effort would have liked a much larger negative and just contact printed rather than scan. Of course 8x10 film is more expensive and it seems suitable lenses that cover 8x10 are at least twice the price of those for 4x5.
Honestly I was thinking the same as you for a while but I'm glad I never pulled the trigger because everything is basically 3-4 times more expensive with 8x10.
loved the video and photos, i think you should keep at least one 4x5, one medium format and one 35mm