Underemployment - the hidden side of Australia's jobs crisis | 7.30
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- The prime minister often points out that Australia's 5% unemployment rate is the envy of many development countries.
But the number doesn't reflect a pervasive problem - more than one million Australians are underemployed.
Some casual employees prefer part-time hours ... but many others can't get as much work as they'd like ... and that means the jobs market is much more complicated than the official numbers suggest.
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This one hour a week definition of employment set by the United Nations, adopted by the Australian Bureau of Statistics to measure labour statistics in Australia is a real joke! All sides of politics will never look at changing this into a more realistic view of employment in our country, why because it gives the perception that they are all doing a great job. And they never tell you that Australian debts are counted as 'added value' in the national account. Again it's a big illusion, a false sense of freedom when we are all serving in the big Rome: welcome to modern slavery!!! All sides of politics are working for the same guy at the top of the pyramid - fooling and manipulating those below into believing otherwise like they all really care...
@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns the reported figure should be in terms of full time equivalent jobs(combining total employment hours by 38 to determine jobs). It should also be required if talking about the figures by government or mainstream media to also state the underemployment rate or unemployment rate as the amount oh full time jobs required to reach full employment.
@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns The average salary is not a very good indicator of reality for many people. I think a more reliable indicative of employment and wealth should be based on the median salary and hours worked. That will tell a better story on how well the economy is doing in comparison to historical data. The thing, they know this but will never based their policies on these indicators, because these politicians do not really have the people's interest at heart, they just want us to slave all our lives even into retirement until we die. Now that the election is near, they will make more false promises about dividing the little piece of cake left for the majority, while not dealing with the real issues that are always kept hidden...
@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns JG Frenchy l think you both make good suggestions, maybe a combination of all? Report the amount of people earning above a set amount with that amount relative the the median income. Then report the amount earning at or below a given living wage.
@@Jake12220 That is exactly right!👍
In ancient slavery the master had to provide to all of his slaves suitable work and shelter, food, clothes, etc. If the master did fail in it, he would lose his slaves to illness and/or death.
In modern slavery the master/business has shifted all these responsibilities to the slaves, as they have to cover all their basic living costs and also have to pay taxes to cover the basic living costs of other slaves without enough or properly paid work to take care of themselves.
However, the modern slavery can't last forever, but much much less than the ancient slavery.
I can remember 12 years ago full time work was everywhere. Now rare as rocking horse shit. More casual jobs than ever.
Guess what? The silver hair group with a stable high income no matter in construction or intelligent work in the past, they have a good life now compared with low skilled group. The same as Japan since the economic bobbling era. Now it's our turn on judgemental day......STF......
Nothing new under the sun. Never in Australia, as a Masters-educated teacher, did I ever have a full time, permanent job. And I started teaching in 1995, and I was a top 10% of the state targeted graduate, and a co-ordinator on a university Foundation Studies program, a lecturer, a Senior Learning Development Officer for the resource development arm of TAFE-all casual and contract work. The casualisation of the workforce began long ago (we somehow think it is as new as unaffordable housing). At one stage I had 5 different employers in one week-teaching English at UNSW, designing learning resources at TAFE, teaching IELTS at UTS, marking IELTS, and writing textbooks, all because the moment you say no to work is the moment you are no longer the first person to be called. I took my education and experience overseas.
Where did you move to mate?
Sorry that you've had this experience
English teachers or instructors in any uni and any country are all the same. You aren't the mainstream of professional majors. Go check Harvard or UCLA i.e. an English instructors were part time job on campus back 80s. No complaints, please.....STF....
All of this is a joke! Hospitality industry is unreal!!
Some work environments are so toxic. Casual please!! People hire you for no other reason then someone is leaving or needs to be replaced asap...1 in 1 out... 8hrs no break, gossip, drama most people cant even talk to their employer about their working conditions without fear of losing their job or causing drama.
Most employers dont care about who comes or goes. Just post a ad on Gumtree and have someone new the next day people need work and take what they can get and just try deal with the people they work for. Just becoz you pay me to do a job for you doesn't me you own me! Most people cant even call in sick because the next day you might not have a job.
There are so many more reasons people struggle to find work or keep a job.
People don't give a f**k! Its really that simple. Im sick of finding a good job then the people turn out to be complete f**k heads! Its toxic and out of your control.
I have been a manager in my time and area manager's teach you ways to get rid of staff to save the business from any troubles later. And hiring process for some big company's are just a joke you could have all the skills they need and years of experience but a manager wont hire you out of fear you will take their job or question if your skills are the truth.
dog eat dog
Farming is the only real job everything else is bullshit
Julian seems like a good guy and a good father trying to look after his family.
On the positive side, think of how many people are working 80+ hours a week and are unable to see their kids due to a high stress executive position.
I'm sure that this guy would seem lucky to them while he probably thinks they are the lucky ones.
@@tanker9987 It's the balance we all want. A decent job that pays enough, with free time to give us family/work life balance
@@Jeremiah15100 exactly
And things AINT GONNA GET BETTER
@The Inquisitive cat More people = fewer jobs? Ahhh, so that's why if you're looking for a job it's best to move to a small country town.
@@MrHarumakiSensei really first time i hear that can you share more . thinking about relocating myself for lower cost housing
@@jamesblack9499 Sorry, I was trying to show that it's not as 'pure and simple' as The Inquisitive Cat hopes. Reducing immigration probably wouldn't reduce unemployment very much. Because if that were true, everyone would move to small towns when looking for a job.
But unfortunately it IS usually harder to find a job in the country areas. :( However, I totally recommend country towns if you can find a job BEFORE you go. Or you have a good idea for small business that would serve a need for that particular place.
If you don't have much money, it's always harder to get by in the city than the country. So yeah, getting work is usually more difficult in small towns, but have a look around, you never know what you might find.
Omg it's as if the decline in union density and brutal anti union laws results in higher casual and insecure work! AM I THE ONLY ONE THINKING THIS??
ruben fela no you’re not. The education quality in Australia is also slipping, which explains why other people think like you.
NO ONE owe's you a full time job, even a job for that matter. If you want a better job or a job with more hours, up skill yourself so you can offer an employee more value
@@andrewkerr5296 Right... cause that has definitely never occurred to any of these literally hundreds of thousands of people before. Thank god your here to enlighten them! Problem solved everyone, move along!
@@andrewkerr5296 mate everyone deserves the right to feel secure in their work and live a decent life.
@@_wattsy_4461 clever response scab
When politicians change the criteria so that even one hour a week counts as being employed, that constitutes a cover up in my book and in the book of any reasonable person. The election is coming up perhaps it's time to try someone else in Govt.
Stenka you do realise that you mean nothing to the government, don't you? So stop hoping for chang be the Chan you want. Come to Canberra and work as a lobbyist. Be a boss not a slave.
Good luck with that one!
Only fix is to get rid of the middlemen called politicians. Replace representative "democracy" with direct democracy. The only party ive found promoting this is voteflux.org. i dont like their vote trading idea though.
What do you mean "someone else"?
The two main parties - which always end up winning the required numbers in parliament to control policy making, more than any one other party/independent - have agreed to the 1 hour a week definition of being employed, for decades.
The libs have improved the economy, reduced the deficit and just dropped immigration by 10% .... Labor want to INCREASE immigration and Taxes ... that will KILL the employment market
Probably due to the extensive amount of wealth now locked up in the housing market which is stagnating consumer spending.
its the regulatory environment ..if we had a million more houses things would be better .. question is what change would bring the result we want
@@jamesblack9499 More like a lack of regulation under a flawed real estate system with a halved capital gains tax (brought in under Liberals) and negative gearing (brought in under labor) that allowed for conditions where property investors had a feeding frenzy resulting in excessively inflated house prices. I constantly hear as a young person how I HAVE to save for a housing deposit and get a mortgage and it's this fear of missing out that has caused this. This attitude has led to people saving meticulously and shunning simple things such as eating out and going away for the weekend.
If there was an under supply of dwellings, property prices wouldn't currently be falling in many major centers the way they are. Also as for regulations, look at some of the issues associated with rushed apartment blocks in Sydney and Melbourne.
More consumers buy overseas decades because our high consumpition tax
I think ALL the costs of living have been rising, food, insurances, travel and there's so little discretionary spending left.
The thing is, it seems like there's plenty of work to be done; Most of my friends who work full time are swamped with work and unpaid overtime is standard. It seems that employers either can't or don't want to pay the labour cost for the amount of work that needs to be done.
And while employers are getting unpaid overtime, that won't change. I get that your friends think they'll lose their jobs if they don't do it.
It's an employers market. They have no incentive to treat people well when 100 are queued outside ready to take their job.
Rising costs, plus rising rates, a trap for the middle class who has responsible of several children. Costs of living increases, housing prices synthetically goes through the roof. GsT secured in place.
A natural response of currency printing (inflation) of the worthless fiat Australia dollar. Meantime, the tea party government gets their pay rises above the inflation rate and excess benefits from dividends through switching ownership of "private shares". Most of they bypass the GsT system, and don't even use the same currency.
Meanwhile the rest of the country lives in poverty.
It is 3rd world now, printing to banana monarchy.
Try a different currency, the food stamps and Vouchers is the first step.
Oh btw, inflation is a tax. Not that they tell you either.
This is never mentioned in mainstream journalism.
Lool you are exaggerating the state of Australia.
A person after my own heart, spot on.
You seem to be referring more to America than Australia... We don't do fiscal easing here and anyone with a buisness and a decent accountant can avoid paying GST and pretty much any tax if you have a really good one.
The poverty rate around the world is the lowest it's ever been and continues to fall. The Australian dollar is backed by our export trade so is nothing like as weak as most fiscal currencies and while inflation is essentially a tax on money, it's far better to maintain a low rate of inflation than any rate of deflation. Given Australia aims for 2-3% inflation and generally remains below that rate we have a very healthy monetary system, especially given that you would be an idiot if you couldn't get more than a 3% rate of growth from investment on any spare money you had so you should never really decrease the value of your funds in this country.
What is an issue is the lack of any relative growth in pay for anyone other than the top few percent over the last decade or so. This country has increased its productivity dramatically over the period, but that productivity has not been passed on to workers through pay rises. Instead we have had our employment systems eroded through measures like the cuts to legal aid, the dramatic cuts to government agencies responsible for ensuring companies comply with the laws, loss of union powers to strike or protest, the massive increase in foreign workers who will work in conditions that Australians wouldn't, the massive increase in foreign students, many of whom are eligible to also work, the cuts to trade education for the very jobs we apparently need to import workers to fill, the expansion of processes that allow companies to hire workers to claim government support then fire them the moment the support ends so they can hire yet another worker for the support payment... Honestly the list is amazingly long and seems blatantly obvious that the government has planned the attack on workers for years, ensuring that we have no way to fight off the worse conditions without either breaking the law or being called names for suggesting that Australians should come first in their own bloody country.
Good points here. It's so difficult finding a way to share concerns regarding our fiat based system without others without others thinking you're "exaggerating" or propagating doomsday theories. It's not an exaggeration to say that all fiat based currencies eventually return to zero. Get ready for more interest rate cuts, eventual negative interest rates, money printing, and helicopter money to the masses.
For those who haven't watched Mike Maloney's 'Hidden Secrets of Money', check it out- you'll have your eyeballs pop out once you find out how the whole financial system is rigged to transfer wealth from the many to the few while keeping us enslaved to debt. ruclips.net/video/DyV0OfU3-FU/видео.html
@@Jake12220 Comprehensive analysis of the cross-section of finance Australia. Well written. Good effort and time 👍
Fingers crossed for all the underemployed and unemployed people around Australia. Hope it gets better for everyone.
One hour a week of any work is hardly employed.
I would say that is a replacement for him to get nothing even worse than a volunteer with some experience but hey a full day job.
Thank you for covering good topics like this. It's legit the economy in aus is about to have a huge shock
tell us more please
@@jamesblack9499 4 rate cuts and hardly any full-time jobs. I guess we survived the 2008 crash better than most, but got a little too greedy and overvalued our dollar. Now all the jobs in my industry (vieogames) are going over to New Zealand.
Which is exactly what happened in the 1990's recession in Australia (for many industrial jobs) >_
Kudos to ABC, Julian and Skye for covering this news. Luckily, I'm personally unaffected by underemployment, but have noticed over the last few years that there certainly are many more of these cases on the rise. My heart goes out to the people that are suffering this, including some of my own family members. Being at the borderline of poverty is a very suffocating experience. I truly hope that the people going through financial challenges can get to a comfortable stage even one day sooner.
Employers do not want full time staff because they cost more, there are no incentives and only downsides. Sure the base pay rate is lower, but then employers need to deal with holiday pay, as well as actually giving staff holidays. Then there are the laws protecting full time staff from termination. Employers might want to downsize during the low period. Instead of having a core group of staff with a few casuals as used to be the case, now everyone is casual and if the employer wishes they can just effectively terminate everyone by not rostering them. The govt has allowed this to happen by eroding the penalty rates and bonuses payed to casual employees making them even more attractive. In unskilled labor this is the worst as you see extremely high turnover rates as young people on much lower pay rates can be used to fill rosters and then abandoned once they reach an age where the full pay rates applied.
Our labor laws need a strong re-balance in order to prevent this sort of exploitation by employers. Unfortunately this doesn't even seem to be on the Labor parties radar.
What is often over-looked by employers is that people wanting full-time, permanent jobs tend to be driven, focussed goal-setting types. If an employer isn't offering a future and security, what do they expect in return? Loyalty and quality?
I'm underemployed. Going from job to job and the only ones available are casual jobs. Just had both my jobs go quiet on me because its "the quiet period" went from 25 hours to nothing for weeks. Its not healthy! I'm now looking for work for the fifth time... its messes with mental health too..
I've worked for free for 12 months at internship programs, no job at the end of all 3, and no feedback or reference. I live bellow the poverty line I spend most of my time worrying how i will even meet rent with the other bills i have.
Non-paid Internship and Volunteering are Scams.
@Scrambo 1 centrelink you fool
750,000 people are currently looking for work/classed as, and there are 250,000 jobs available.... Thats something to note.
If statistics were recorded as they were 45 years ago the unemployment rate would be closer to 20%.
It doesn't factor under employment, people who have stopped looking for work, professional students or free lance workers.
@@leoncutajar1369 I absolutely agree mate.
And for the 250,000 jobs, the employer will make sure it goes to the cheapest optionpossible....no wonder immigrants are being poured into this country. Bad times indeed.
Instead of worrying about things like single use plastics, employment is what the government needs to be focusing on.
Regulations need to be put in place for things like minimum hours and casual employees, and also minimum number of employees depending on business size.
It's obvious everywhere that businesses are just trying to cut staff to save money, go to a grocery store and very few staffed checkouts are open for example.
And it's not just businesses, it's also the government themselves importing everything from overseas (suburban trains from China, intercity trains from South Korea, metro trains from India, regional trains from Sweeden, buses from Germany, and trams from France).
Also, it needs to be made easier for people to get a job (finding a job is literally harder and more exhausting than working itself), regulations need to implemented that change things like:
-banning reference checks and replacing them with unpaid trials, circumstances may prevent everyone form being able to provide two professional references, and personal character references are often not accepted
-removing aged determined wages to stop encouraging businesses to only hire young people
-removing excess experience requirements, the unpaid trials could help here, to give entry level employees a chance of getting work
-remove any drivers licence/car requirement (unless driving is actually part of the job), how is someone going to be able to afford all the associated costs of a car without having a job in the first place? unless they come from a rich upbringing.
Ethan M
On the other side, I don’t think any Australians can open up a business in Australia with such a high tax and such a high salary, and no one have any money in their pockets with such a high living cost to open up a big business like car manufacturing or high tech which needs a lot of investments, and a lot of tax is wasted on people standing at the gates of public constructions, doing nothing but to listen to their musics and eating 2 hours of lunch such as Sydney tram. Most business opened nowadays are from foreign money, businesses are sold to foreign buyers.
@@htht7831 only about 5% of Australian small companys succeed ,,, the ones that do get bought out immediately to avoid any competition and to corner the market. monopoly used to be a board game just like 1984 used to be a fiction !!
Ethan M spot on Ethan. With imported trains, it’s he imported people who also drive them, manage the platforms and bring their village with them into new job openings. It’s a farce.
The destruction of both the state and federal public services through privatisation has destroyed the previous full time is full time and permanent job market.
Jobs have to be made in the private market. Jobs created by government are paid for with tax money, which is money that could’ve been spent. Simple economics
Your opinion only there is no irrefutable economic proof to your claim which to me seems simply ideological.
Bill Hollingsworth no irrefutable economic proof for anything mate, it’s not a science. But please find a flaw in my statement. There isn’t one. When the government has to tax individuals and companies to spend money, they decide themselves what money should be spent on. And a lot of the time, make the wrong decisions. That is why smaller government economies tend to do better in the long run. (Note how and why communism never worked. Not saying all government intervention is communism, that would be absurd, but more is worse)
Using SA as an example when the government owned the water and electricity supplies they were both cheaper and there were no contract jobs, only permanent ones. You seem to have a view that you can't have a mixed economy,
True
Because a lot a jobs go to backpackers and foreign students. Each year there are 350k Visas given out.
Oh yeah, kitchen hands many ppl want that kinda job in Oz hey mate
@@dietzer2000 not true. There are thousands of good jobs taken by backpackers in service industries and construction. In Sydney and Melbourne the hostels are full with people with FT jobs. The NBN roll out, lots of foreign workers. So these people travel halfway around the world but in cities/towns near capital cities there is massive underemployment and huge youth unemployment. Why? Look at all the wages scandals and who it has affected. Mainly people on visas because they were to scared to report. Plus there are recruitment companies who bring in only foreign workers. Why?
I feel for this guy because he is also vulnerable to ageism with employment and certainly centrelink will not provide assistance through a difficult time.
Australia really needs to protect its people from losing their work especially from corporate multinationals that outsource local jobs to their lower paying regions.
With current lot of pollies I believe this will remain unabated for next 3-5 years time. The whole lot of them are just paying too much attention on social media likes than focusing on their job & promises. Australia you are selling out!
We need to stop being complacent in our thinking, Aussies are losing the race in our own country, because our Govt's want a quick fix and cant see beyond a 4 year period. Australia needs to re-introduce a futures plan that we can all participate in, and we should start looking inwards, if our inland areas are in need then we all suffer, send families back into the country not the cities. Provide water supplies to the inland areas and new industries will begin.
I have tow jobs I work more then 50 hours a week and I have more debt then before , life in Australia it’s way to hard then ever
Debt is money. More debt means more money in the system.
We will become soon like America and will need 3 jobs 🤨
France 4 jobs in order to survive
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I work two jobs and barely make it.
meanwhile the coles group are giving out 9 hour contracts and calling that sustainable income....so everyone needs to get 2 or 3 jobs to overcome this problem.
Economics says labour cannot increase its share in output at the expense of capital. I recommend those skeptical examine distribution theory, especially Eugen von Bohm-Bawerk and Frank Fetter. According to the Productivity Commission, Australian wages grew in excess of rising productivity during the boom times, an obviously unsustainable situation which, if continued at a time of output growing less fast would eventually eat into the rates of return required for compensating proprietors for their work, risk and exchange of present goods for future goods - causing unemployment and/or lower jobs growth, which amounts to the same thing. Mandated minimum and award wages simply mean businesses can't get returns by employing additional Australian workers since the cost has artificially been forced higher than the value of the additional production they would bring. It also makes training of people in hope of future profitability more costly and hence unprofitable. If nominal wages were determined by the marketplace, they would not be bid workers' standards of living down to poverty, especially because employment and production would increase and force prices down, because if entrepreneurs can earn rates of return from workers in excess of that required for compensating them for their work, the risk involved and their discount of future goods, they will compete their wages higher until the excess ("pure profit") disappears. As output and production rise, which is more rapid due to more people being employed and hence able to save, which means more resources are provided towards increasing the capacity and productivity of the capital structure / means of production, prices fall and hence real wages rise. Except, unlike in the scenario created by unions, real wages are rising continually and more rapidly, rather than more rapidly in the short-term, less rapidly in the long-term, and at the expense of other workers earning less or nothing at all. Where is the "decent standard of living" in forcing over 14% of the labour force onto welfare by not allowing them to work for a competitive wage? Where is the "decent standard of living" in reducing the output and total wages bill workers can enjoy?
Retail and hospitality jobs are over staffed with not enough hours for a few reasons:
Make the staff work harder to compete for more hours, easier to fill shifts last minute because everyone needs the money and to cycle through employees quicker to subtly wait for worse performing staff to move on after getting annoyed with not enough hours.
For the most part, it is managers who recruit junior and entry level staff. Their own security of employment will be prejudiced if they "mis-hire" so they are extremely cautious and therefore recruit casuals. Of course, no politician ever talks to managers. To successful business owners, they talk incessently! To union leaders - sometimes, if reluctantly - but ordinary line managers who can tell it like it is - Never.
How do you fix it - Change the incentives, here's how...
(1) Count each business' employee weeks each year. Weight that count to value full time permanent employment over casual and part-time work. This gives a score, which can be increased by recruiting disadvantaged candidates like the long-term unemployed.
(2) If a business has a lower score than the preceding year, it has been transferring costs to the community. That's their right, but managers who make that choice should not have their extravagant salaries allowed against their company's income for tax purposes - Now you've got their attention!
(3) To transfer resources to businesses that will grow employment, allow trading in the surplus scores of growing businesses. That way businesses that choose to contract their workforce, can buy their way out of the tax impost by funding growing businesses.
With such a mechanism in place managers who want to grow their businesses in Australia have a far better argument to support their proposals as compared with the stock, "I'll grow profits by sweating the labourforce."
Easy to implement - The calculation can be part of your Excel spreadsheet reconciling wages and PAYG for the fiscal year.
Australia is the laughing stock of the world right now. We are not a "lucky country" and haven't been for at least 2 decades. Our inept government, over regulation, extreme cost of living all contribute towards a stressful, mundane and BORING way of life. We work to live and that's about it, its a real sad state of affairs. Everyone seems happy to go along working their 9 to 5 and coming home to watch TV and repeat that cycle day in day out. No one can afford to go out anymore and pubs rip you off with their wanky $10 schooners and $30 meals. Australia just is not what it used to be..
What about changing minimum wage laws for certain jobs that are willing to provide on the job traning first off?
It’s staring you all in the face , we have computers and machines that take away massive amounts of human hours that use to be there many years ago , plus the out sourcing to other countries has closed down industries.....
And on top of that the full time employees are under-paid
good point,, it used to be that casuals got a higher rate cus they didn't get the other benefits like holiday pay and sick pay,, but now things have changed,, full time now get more than casual,, and benefits,,, both still way underpaid as with this insane inflation everything but wages rises massively,, bread has tripled,, a small 300ml coke,, can be 4 dollars,,, !!! beef has gone too high for a lot of ppl,, cant remember last time I had a big steak,, would cost me 20$ for one now from safeway,, I can eat cheese sandwiches for 4 days on 20$
I've had a fulltime job since I was 21, I did maybe have 2 - 3 month periods of unemployment, but other than, i'm 34 now... All I can suggest is to get a Trade, like Electrician....
The real unemployment rate is around 15 to 20% LIMA DECLARATION OF 1975 CAUSED THIS AUSTRALIA
@Peter Ellacott yes and most of these curries are fake international students who most working full time in low pay sector for pocket money, also if a curry got a management position the whole department will become like little Mumbai where the white local people will never have opportunity to get a job there. The curries are the largest and fastest growing ethnicity in Melbourne.
Australia is not the land of milk and honey that it used to be, but people from all over the world still have this romantic notion that next to America it is and flock there in droves! I lived it 10 years on and off and found it hard to get ahead, got sick of the place and went home to Ireland, happier now.
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Woooow omg
Why what had happened to Australia???? Really ??
@@jonimaar__2023 No where not even Aus can escape cost of living vs living wage that plus the reality of inflation, which I'm sure you know as to be the loss of purchasing power of a currency over time, and that's basically it.
Jay
Main problem is was they forced house prices up to extreme levels for some reason
It's all leading from that
I agree too many part time and casual jobs atm😬 times are risky too. For us Aussies we all are wanting a full time role.
This father is a champ. He should be very proud of himself
Why? For being a loser slave? I think the real hero in this story is the politician that earn life long kickbacks from big business. If you want to be a hero too come to Canberra and work as a lobbyist big money for life.
@Ivan Wotan it's anti-pro-white-non-immigrant-non-aboriginal-pro-visional-anti-humanist-anti-pro-alien-pro-slavery-anti-establishment.
all the jobs go overseas, Australian banks are to blame.
i might add that ive never had so many tradesman ask me if I had work going this past week!
Start employing Aussies instead of cheap and overtaxed 457 visa workers. Truth !
The 457 type work visas are an issue, but a big part of the problem is student visas that allow the 350,000+ students to work while studying and then for a further four years after graduation. Many of them also apply for permanent residency as well so this accounts for a huge amount of migration.
@@Jake12220 I can confess to that the last company I worked for had indian student visa holders rocking up to work 7 in the morning. I'm wondering don't you have class to be at
@Peter Ellacott yeah l familiar with that issue as well. They get sponsored by companies to come in as a supposedly skilled worker, yet have no real experience or training in that area, are never tested by a government department and never do that type of work in Australia. There was a company with a contract to provide trolly pushers a few years back that was importing workers as security guards l think and then dramatically underpaying them.
I did wonder why we supposedly needed to hire foreigners to work security, always seemed like enough workers available here so long as they were treated and paid ok.
@@Jake12220 This, I see it first hand at my job. They let in these students who earn less money per hour and take MY hours that I worked hard for with reliability and commitment to the company for 5+ years. I'm also losing Sunday hours to overseas students who can't speak a lick of english. Care for Aussies before you care for overseas students...
@@cowboys2626 very true. where my partner works they have reduced full time employees from 12 to 7 and replaced them with overseas students working part time who are paid a pittance
That's because everyone works casual instead of full-time.
In Europe here there are hardly any part-time or casual jobs. Yet then the employment rate goes up. You have your weekly hours and that's it.
@Peter Ellacott aw mate who hurt you
I felt depressed both seeing this, but now I'm reaching for the prozac.
long term use can cause more problems than the benefits it brings
Forget university kids...its not worth the paper its written on...get into the trades young...you wont regret working with your hands.
I wish I'd done something like carpentry when younger... I will likely still pursue it more as a hobby tho. Had a guy in a uni class who did it but had to stop due to a screwed up shoulder. There is a flip side to it.
I went to university and ended up with a bachelor and master's in accounting...I wish I went to TAFE and studied to become a boilermaker or mechanic. Like you said, my degrees' aren't worth the paper it is written on.
@@dave-oh3549 Why not? Surely if you got good grades they must be worth something? I find a lot of people expect to walk into boutique firms after they graduate where they will be paid 6 figures and everyone will kiss the ground they walk on.
You’re absolutely correct. High paid and guaranteed work.
I don’t think in the future people won’t be able to pay for Trade services. Let alone buy or maintain a house. Sad to I look up RUclips how to advise to DIY to save money. My son wanted to put a concrete slab under his house and the cheapest quote was 20 grand and that wasn’t a solid it was packed underneath. Now that’s ridiculous. If charges are going to be like that Tradies will have no customers.
Not saying that the economic data is wrong, but i'd like to know the level of qualification this trend is happening to. Is this underemployment also happening to higher skilled workers?
Retail workers, paper running, theater orderly. These jobs aren't exactly high skilled jobs, and so even if the rates of migration was high, employers in these industries will always have the employing power due to the fact that the pool of available ppl to work is so high.
So my thought would be, if you're 18 do some research into skilled jobs that a person from another country without any skills can't just waltz in and apply for that same job. And if you have the capability to, develop those skills for that job by studying or taking courses etc. Don't put yourself into a dependency hole by settling into a full time job as a retail worker in your prime years (unless of course you love working in retail and want a career out of it) and then wake up 10 years later realising you have no skills beyond facing headbins or operating cash registers.
I feel for the father's situation tho. When you have a family to look after it's a totally different situation.
@@sabrinac1883 And what is your degree in? And so then the question would be what is the reason you cant seem to get work in your qualification? Is it b/c there is gross overemployment in that discipline?
If your qualification requires a degree then it already stands to reason that the barrier for entry is already high and unlikely due to unskilled migration swamping the labour markets. This would mean there may be other things affecting your ability to land a job perhaps by looking inward? Am i doing the absolute most to put myself out there? Have i been applying enough? Do i need to try for an internship or some unpaid work to get my foot in the door?
My old workplace. Fired me without firing me and left my job status as employed just so they could get the government incentive.
We need more debt, that should fix it
Should just mail my pay check to the Vatican seeing that's where all the world's debt monies is heading
Ever since the Newcastle earthquake it’s been near impossible to get work in this area. If the city’s response to the earthquake was more prompt, then I wouldn’t be long term unemployed.
This is one of the reasons Basic Income is being considered in Canada where they have similar concerns.
Add to this the fact that government jobs such as at the DHS that used to be secure full time are all now sub contracted out to companies like Serco ect who employ on a full time casual basis and under pay award rates, yet are protected from fair-work by being a government contractor.
8 hrs a week ain’t gunna pay your rent! Employers are putting on too many people with too few hours per person. They don’t take responsibility for their workers well being. Employers need to make sure their current employees have sufficient work before putting on more people.
Boiling Frogs people don’t want the hassle of putting people on full time etc, that’s why part-time and casual are preferred by an employer. You won’t fix the problem by forcing employers to put people full time or pay them more, you need more jobs to create a worker demand. Which means less red tape and less tax for businesses.
ReeceAUS I don’t think force fixes any problem, but if you are a business and you employ people you should feel some responsibility toward your employees well being, “burn and churn” is very expensive as a business practice. Full time employees and more reliable and committed than casual part-timers and therefore benefit the business. It is far cheaper to keep a good employee than to hire a new one.
many small businesses cant afford to have fulltime workers
GospelGuy but it is not only small business- it is across the board.
Or cheap imported labour!!!!!
Big business love a casual work force on call. The company can hire as many casuals as they like and give them as little work as they want. No work security, no life is there any wonder depression is on the rise.
Well this report certainly exposes the truth of our economy! I'm sorry to hear that most Australian's are struggling :(
So eerily similar to the U.K almost word for word. This must be a gobal phenomenon seems to happening in all the advanced economies to some extent.
Workers need to reorganise, everything is in the favour of the big companies who explot to the max
The writing is on the wall Australia
We are no longer the lucky country.
really? depends on what you call luck ...no wars.. our kids are not starving or being slaughtered in schools... just a few but I think that makes us a pretty lucky country... I am sure others would be able to add their list of what makes this country lucky too....
Feminism has destroyed the workplace, education, free speach. Transgenderism is force fed to our children. As for this one great land, we were very lucky, but that ship has sailed.
@@7s29 I'm raising my son to be a world champion boxer
@@meheretoday6968 Give it a few more years... Stagnant wages, no jobs, more immigrants, compounding inflation, limited resources, growing homelessness, low superannuation savings, etc... Where do you think we are heading? We are not far behind US and UK. Australia is in transition to becoming a 3rd world country. Remember my words, in 10 years Australia will have it's own Tent city.
A.I. oh dear God you speak a lot of shitte
And with this information penalty rates were still cut-disgraceful
I’m so sick of both major parties lying & cherry picking facts. I’ve personally struggled in finding a job all together. We need to stop re-electing the same major parties.
I was on the dole and hopeless for a yea before I left Australia to get a job - wandered in the UK for a while before finding a solid IT job in Germany. Oz is a nice place and I grew up there but I see little hope of moving back - maybe when I have more experience I could. But the lack of solid labour laws and high cost of living means I doubt I will.
Good lad.
The same is happening in New Zealand. I don't know if Australia has the same stupid tax system but in NZ, if you have more than one income source, the second and subsequent are taxed very highly so kills any incentive. You're actually better off on the dole (which is an awful thing to say) than to take a part-time job with a top-up. There are plenty of seasonal, casual, part-time, fixed term and maternity cover jobs but few for grown ups who want full-time permanent here.
What are peoples thoughts on labour hire companies?
I am one of them. luckily I do not need to pay commcial rent. and my hourly rate is high as I do freelancing on professional work. I think the rent/housing need a lot of money. the living expense is not so high. I used to pay 300-400 per week on rent alone for years. and that's real struggle.
The simple question to ask: Are there good industries created in Australia? Where are real good job opportunities coming from? From property market booming?
Ivan Wotan ： these industries can not make Economy strong and sustainable for a long term. And it isn’t diversified either. It’s ok for a city like HongKong but not good for a country!
I'm there to . Don't feel alone .
Even 18 years ago, as a woman, I couldn't get more than 15 hours a week. For the majority of women employment is always casual. Bringing married women with children into the work force, was a huge mistake. Increasing immigration nwas a huge mistake. Overseas work visas are a massive mistake that the Government should be made to reverse. The Government is turning Australia into a third world country.
should probably apply at a place that accepts overseas workers, maybe they have to hire the locals first...
Australia needs to bring the call centre jobs back onshore.
Kat Omu there are still call centres in Aus. Australia Post has a huge call centre
Most employers prefer casual staff because they are cheaper and they always have staff when they need them, or so they believe.
I know an ex turkish family, the father's name is Mr. Erkan with black belt in taekwondo 3rd dan ,from Ankara and he and his 2 boys with his wife had immigrated to Sydney in the 1970s and had opened up a taekwondo training shop first , then inaugurated a yarn factory and sold both in Australia and overseas from sheep yarns. Erkan's elder son has owned a interstate truck and he has driving his truck with lots of shipments from NSW to another states at exact times. Mr Erkan sometimes got bored of living in Sydney although all of the family is Australian citizens and he comes and lives in Ayvalik Balikesir city time to time for couple of months , search products in Turkey , to do some businesses Turkey via his export company and spend time by swimming and jogging in Ayvalik city. They love Australia very much and never willing to return back to Turkey like Doc. Dr. Yasar Ozturk , who had worked for Middle East technical University Environmental Engineering Department for 30 years and live on small pension who cannot afford anything luxury just makes endsmeet always alone , but with Australian passport and citizenship. Both of them are our dearest family friends. Mr. Yasar Ozturk, alumni of Imperial College University London has one Norwegan daughter living in Oslo and never want to leave her Oslo lifesyle.
Hardworking Australian having a go, the maths doesn't add up.
Moved to New Zealand in May last year been working 40+ hours every week started of in food distribution company picking and loading trucks got my MR truck license yes the pay rate is slightly lower here but there's plenty of work. Australia is screwed 😂
E_m_m_o bullshit man nz is way more screwed than here. Auckland house prices way more screwed than Sydney and the living cost is twice of here. All the kiwis are out here making big bucks
@Peter Ellacott because an Aussie is not willing to work for peanuts per km trips while indian can manage those wages and live like he's still living in Mumbai. Sleep in truck, eat boiled rice vege and take showers at truck stop. Come to west melb see how many properties they bought in tarneit, truganina.
@@user-rn3bb3dj4p yea Auckland is ridiculous that's why I don't live anywhere near there. Economy is much more stable here
now I'm feeling thankful that I have a job.
@itsME yes u better be 👍
Sounds exactly the same as me, just scraping by....
Cost of living is also far too high in Australia, sure wages are higher but the cost of living always pulls further away from wage growth, or lack of growth.
The 18 year old girl said that cats are on her budget 🙂I completely understand! When my husband was unemployed and then under employed we never considered giving up our kitties!
Try not to give up hope! If you are working you are getting valuable experience. You are also making contacts with other people who might help you get full time employment! 🙂
Wait so (full time) 8 hours shifts over 5 days = 40 hours / 4 hours = 10 new casual jobs?
People just trying to survive....
Tell me about it. 6+ years i've been unemployed or underemployed.
Employment laws are so strick in this country it's hard to fire employees and employers are utilising a casual workforce.
And if you force companies to either hirer or fire people after a certain amount of time, they will almost always fire the person and just keep the casual revolving door in motion. Not much can be done.
Dont forget the people doing job search in centrelink they are classified as employed. cause they sit on there arse ON A COMPUTER and look for work.
I just find it shocking that an 18yo wants a full time job! Here in the US, many parents have kids that age that have no motivation to want to leave the house or even get a drivers license. So I give her credit for at least wanting to be employed.
an American influence on our way of life we could do without!
Most Aussie 18 year olds want a full time job, mostly for the money..
yep cant live off their parents
@@Funkteon yeah but most full time good jobs require at least 2-3 years experience....at 18 that means you were only 15 still at school! It's because older people aren't retiring as early because they also need to survive. Sad really.
its a lot different here as an 18 year old is classed as an adult,, where as in America its 21,, our kids grow up a lot faster here,,they have too,, a lot of our kids start an apprenticeship at the age of 15 or 16 and leave secondary school.
Should be huddling, every deck d your. It working hi looking for a job. It’s all initiative. Basically work hard and you will get increased hours
I’ve been in this type of under employment situation before, luckily I don’t have any kids I need to provide for. It’s just not fair, people shouldn’t have to constantly struggle like this just to survive in Australia. We owe our fellow Australians better than this! Something needs to change!
That's the thing about this global crisis. Hope the economy gets better.
The reason for under employment is simple, the restrictive regulations are unworkable and unreasonable for the majority of small businesses, that's why casual work, part time work and especially contracting is so popular now, when an employer does not have work for someone they don't have to pay or employ them. Full time work is far less common these days.
It's cheaper for the employer to have casuals or part-time workers. A full-time worker gets extra benefits like holiday leave.
Employers only offer less hours to avoid paying Superannuation
Under employment is exactly the problem, low unemployment rate does not mean anything nowadays in Australia or the US
Casual is a desiese I was full time at deniliquin rice mill full time made 1100 a week full time got made redundant because of Murray Darling's basin cock up with government had to move to fnq to get stuck in a casual posistoin for 3 years with a global car rental company do 140 plus hours a fortnight and only clear 750 a week no holidays no sick pay and when public holidays are worked they cut you back you can't borrow from banks they don't want to no you your working so you can afford to work politicians are on same side as business time to ditch Australia and I was born and raised here they don't care except about share holders and banks time for a big change that works
Unemployment in Australia is a big issue, I've been applying for jobs since i was 16 and i still haven't even made it as far as an interview and i'm turning 20 this year
Very sad. Good man
Sorry I'm not available for an interview!! Gee that's odd.
So how is this news?
Solution is to give part timers in law more benefits, wages, income etc.
in more advanced countries - 3 day week on high salary !!!
At the top of the equation are people you are not allowed to criticize .
Why still a lot of working holiday came to Australia ?
people will have to go back to their parents house or live in their cars cause they cant afford to pay household rent and other bills.
A pass score in IB (an international education program adopted in private schools in Melbourne and Queensland) sets the pass score at 24/45 in the system for high school students, translates to an Atar of 68.70, so 68.7% of people in Australia will fail the international standards of high school exam. Education standards in Australia is too low, there needs to be a change to push people to study more STEM subjects and humanities (economics and business) in high schools.
Minimum salary rise will not solve the fact that most high school students are not doing math, science, second languages and humanities.
ibaustralasia.org/university-entrance
Search for this system if you have no idea what this system is.
Oliver C IQ in Oz is too low to to those courses.
@@PikaPika-Tassie
This system is adopted world wide as the entrance exam to nearly all universities around the world, the pass score of this system is the minimum standard of high school exams Australia should adopt.
I work for a ground handler at Sydney airport and they specialise in giving out shit rosters so you can't even get a second job.. Need at least 38-40 to survive but they only give you 25-30 but they keep hiring more staff everyone knows that airport work has the highest turn around rate of employment in Australia..