My old man got 5 years for having few pot plants in a closet. These guys killed all these kids/families and will probably pay a fine. Use it as a tax write off.
You have to realize that any crime here would date back to the original construction and it's way past the statute of limitations for that. criminal charges are highly unlikely.
@@itsAmeOFPWith competent people who aren’t doing it only to line their own pockets. There should be frequent (quarterly) financial auditing of senators and legislators and if it turns out that you’re a scumbag being given suspicious big gifts or sums of money, you should go straight to jail.
The building wasn't up to code. I'm so glad they figured that out 2 years after it collapsed plus 40 plus years of inspections. No reason to figure that out during the design, permitting and construction phase. The reporter should of interviewed Captain Obvious.
The Millennium tower will likely be in a video like this eventually. They've continually underestimated the amount of force exerted by an unstable tower and overestimated their ability to do anything about it
That San Francisco tower was a botch in the inception and will never be right. The more work they do, the more it sinks. It should be condemned and dismantled.
@@chicagonorthcoast SanFran is too corrupt and careless to do anything about it. It's sad, but that city is a forgotten wasteland of crime. Hopefully in many years, it will arise from the ashes of inept, PC govt. and rise again, but, as long as CA in general is a lib state, I doubt it.
Everybody who built it is dead now. The mgt co is negligent in carrying insufficient insurance and not maintaining the bldg structurally. The trail will lead to them.
You have to understand that the effects of the design flaws and construction shortcuts in 1981 cascaded and amplified over decades, causing "knock-on" effects. There were two core weaknesses in the inception- first, the building was under- designed. There simply wasn't enough support under the sections that collapsed. Notice that the front section that remained standing, had 24" X 24" columns supporting it, while those underneath the other two wings of the building were 18"X18", not nearly the strength needed, and not enough of them. Then, they were packed with too much rebar for the amount of concrete. 2nd, the building went up on rather unstable ground with porous limestone beneath it, in a salty environment that corrodes buildings and machines alike far more quickly than other climates would. 3rd, it is likely that "beach sand" heavy in salt was used in the concrete, introducing highly corrosive salt to the structure. Add to all this a hundred and thirty individual condo owners who hate having to pay for anything they can't see and fellow owners who are just as non-expert as they are on the Board, with rapid turnover in ownership of the units and of Board members, many of whom quit the Board when they began to see how large and expensive the building's problems were becoming even 20 years ago. All together, these conditions multiplied and cascaded over decades to produce the perfect storm that ended in catastrophic failure. One engineer, a Professor of Civil Engineering at the University of Washington, said that she was surprised the building stood for as long as it did.
Florida is a sand bar. I think that Florida is using up too much ground water. So sinkholes are common and much of the state is settling giving the impression that the sea level is rising, but just the opposite is true.
@@kmick8108 Sea Level is right where it was when the Mayflower Landed at Plymouth Rock Sea level is right where it was when Rome Invaded Britain Sea Level is right where it was when the Persians requested Land and Water from the Greeks.
@@llamaworm8263 When I was a teen in the 1960s, this scam was called Nuclear Winter. Put your mask on and hide in your safe space until you hear the all clear.
"The report concluded that the building had been erected in a location with gravity. Initial surveys failed to recognize that an area without gravity would have offered a much higher degree of structural integrity"
It's also near the ocean which has more wear and tear. Like replacement of a lock and key on door because sand wears away fast too. 1980-2019 almost 40 years. Concrete starts separation from rebar after 50 years. The pool leakin, sand and the main structure beam collapsed. With housing chemicals in a storage closet near the bottom. And garage sand ratio.
Many of the residents had renovated their condos by adding stone bathtubs, floors, walls, and counters, adding about 10 tons to the weight of that ONE unit. Now, imagine 20, 30, or 40 units doing that. Even a structure that's up to code would have trouble holding that much extra weight.
Building codes were tightened greatly after Hurricane Andrew in 1992., but CTS was built in a tiny suburb, Surfside, which lacked even a full-time building inspector, and at a time when the whole Miami area was unbelievably corrupt and development was dominated by shady, unqualified people.
Structurally build incorrectly, tons of weight ( including water settling for years) on that pool deck. The residents should have been evacuated around 2018 when they got that full report of the building. Very sad and disappointing.
Thank you for the video, I was really interested what happened with this building in 2 years since its collapse. What will be built here instead of the building - we don't know yet. RIP 98 people 🙏.
Some of the most advanced buildings we have were built rather before that. The Hancock Building in Chicago, built in the early 70s, is considered to be an engineering marvel and nothing built since has bettered it in sophistication. This Surfside building, like too many Miami-area buildings built in an era during which Miami was notorious for criminality and corruption in its governing class. was thrown up as cheaply as possible, in a tiny suburb lacking a building department with either the expertise or the budget to provide the oversight needed to assure a good design and a good build. Any architect who designed one of the beautiful and super-strong high rises built in the early 20th century could have told the architects and engineers involved in the design of the Champlain Towers buildings that CTS was seriously under-designed and under-built.
@@zjones9876 in some cases. but i see bad design in new building systems on mechanical systems and they never have to pay for the stupid designs that dont work. i fix bad design crap everyday but im good with it. job security and great pay
Martin Langesfeld is speaking the TRUTH. Nothing ever happens! Buildings get fines... and a slap on the wrist. We've seen it over and over and over again. The only difference is that finally a building collapsed. There's a reason it's called the landlord special - and this applies to builders and contractors too.
Im surprised it doesnt happen more often in miami dade county. Many of these high rises have multiple, years old building citations and failed fire inspections. They might have massive liens, sure, but the owners can just ignore and delay. Theres no actual enforcement. And lets say you want to get the issues fixed. The inspectors wont return contact and the office just tells you that the inspector has to be contacted. County wide, code enforcement is an absolute joke there.
The failures appear to have been the construction company and the architect s, but many of these condos were remodeled to have heavy stone and glass walls, etc., and the building was never built to withstand it. Did anybody foresee the collapse, I don't know. I'm surprised it didn't collapse long before it did
I used to be a christian until I found out that god sent a groomer beacon to apologize for almost exterminating humanity. I was cool with the extermination part, but really? 🌈 ok groomer god 🌈
@@itsAmeOFP I was never a Christian, never been a fan of large groups of people who are possessed by an ideology. The issue with zealots is that they try to blend in with everyone else in these groups. You can do your thing all you want, just keep it away from kids who dont know any better.
@@masterofreality230 was that reply written by multiple personalities? Bring the non ideologically possessed zealot back out for a huddle so we can continue discussing the crime against children that this news channel committed by putting rainbows on its profile pic
Not buying it.. The roof was flooded and filled the basement parking with water as first witness to try to go there said it was filled and he backtracked .. The fire alarms were not sounding and no flashing lights means the sprinkler system did not activate . Historical images shows roofing materials ..pallets loaded and there was massive rains the days before ..
@@bullofthewoods9374 the roof was flooded .. the roof was weak and the fail point was the fire sprinkler riser and mechanicals leading to the roof where materials weighing over 1600 lbs were stored ..the water in the garage was from the roof ...maybe read the comment .. The roof failed leading to a pancake collapse pulling the columns ..as they were on top of the pile ..
@@whirlwind8825 bad designers. oh and stop lying no one is liking their own comments. its shallow of you. im in building maintenance and see flawed design daily. . systems fail due to many reasons beyond the designers ability to know. it should be designed into the buildings. failures many times is a cut corner issue due to money, done by designers. contractors build to spec or will be failed during inspection. granted if the inspectors do their job. Sure there are times when contractors cut corners but if done by design and they fail this is not a contractor issue. its the design and or material failure. things happen. pretty much any failure can go back to bad design or bad material, sometimes bad work but again the buildings have to be built to spec or it should fail inspection.
@@bullofthewoods9374 The building was inspected with demands on the 40 year inspection .. The strobes were not flashing .. the fire alarm did not sound .. The master 300 psi pumps did not energize .. and the water from the roof went through the riser shaft and filled the parking area .. The pool lost 0 amount of water . Stay on point maintenance man ..and again stop liking your own comments .. This thread is not active ...for a "Like" 1 second after you made the comment .. very very shallow my friend ..
We need to ban buildings, inspectors and politics because of the mass building calaps we are seen every day 👍, this is what today's politics and every followers of stupidity exist today will say. It is obviously that there is got to be a very deep inspection and analysis of south Florida buildings. Due to age and ocean near by,most of those older buildings need to come down. But i am super sure nothing will be done.....
My old man got 5 years for having few pot plants in a closet. These guys killed all these kids/families and will probably pay a fine. Use it as a tax write off.
American society is decaying in a free fall. So is the infrastructure.
Its time to move or send every Senator and Politicians to Guantanamo Bay
@@khairt1731and replace them with what?
The company folded decades ago. The guy in charge of it died years ago.
You have to realize that any crime here would date back to the original construction and it's way past the statute of limitations for that. criminal charges are highly unlikely.
@@itsAmeOFPWith competent people who aren’t doing it only to line their own pockets. There should be frequent (quarterly) financial auditing of senators and legislators and if it turns out that you’re a scumbag being given suspicious big gifts or sums of money, you should go straight to jail.
Some RUclipsr already figured this out like 2 years ago
amen
Somebody was cutting corners at the time of construction. What a shame.
There is more to this then they are saying that's why the need to do a story on it two years later.
@jeffostroff has been saying this for two years now.
They probably saw his video and decided that was the more logical explanation
The building wasn't up to code. I'm so glad they figured that out 2 years after it collapsed plus 40 plus years of inspections. No reason to figure that out during the design, permitting and construction phase. The reporter should of interviewed Captain Obvious.
it requires effort to validate any hypothesis
Architect/head builder is always issue. Kickbacks and cutting corners is cause in 90%of these
Why isn't somebody in jail?
The Millennium tower will likely be in a video like this eventually. They've continually underestimated the amount of force exerted by an unstable tower and overestimated their ability to do anything about it
That San Francisco tower was a botch in the inception and will never be right. The more work they do, the more it sinks. It should be condemned and dismantled.
@@chicagonorthcoast SanFran is too corrupt and careless to do anything about it. It's sad, but that city is a forgotten wasteland of crime. Hopefully in many years, it will arise from the ashes of inept, PC govt. and rise again, but, as long as CA in general is a lib state, I doubt it.
Everybody who built it is dead now. The mgt co is negligent in carrying insufficient insurance and not maintaining the bldg structurally. The trail will lead to them.
You have to understand that the effects of the design flaws and construction shortcuts in 1981 cascaded and amplified over decades, causing "knock-on" effects. There were two core weaknesses in the inception- first, the building was under- designed. There simply wasn't enough support under the sections that collapsed. Notice that the front section that remained standing, had 24" X 24" columns supporting it, while those underneath the other two wings of the building were 18"X18", not nearly the strength needed, and not enough of them. Then, they were packed with too much rebar for the amount of concrete. 2nd, the building went up on rather unstable ground with porous limestone beneath it, in a salty environment that corrodes buildings and machines alike far more quickly than other climates would. 3rd, it is likely that "beach sand" heavy in salt was used in the concrete, introducing highly corrosive salt to the structure. Add to all this a hundred and thirty individual condo owners who hate having to pay for anything they can't see and fellow owners who are just as non-expert as they are on the Board, with rapid turnover in ownership of the units and of Board members, many of whom quit the Board when they began to see how large and expensive the building's problems were becoming even 20 years ago. All together, these conditions multiplied and cascaded over decades to produce the perfect storm that ended in catastrophic failure. One engineer, a Professor of Civil Engineering at the University of Washington, said that she was surprised the building stood for as long as it did.
*Watch out for north Champlain Tower to collapse next*
Florida is a sand bar. I think that Florida is using up too much ground water. So sinkholes are common and much of the state is settling giving the impression that the sea level is rising, but just the opposite is true.
This happened in South Carolina
@@kmick8108 Sea Level is right where it was when the Mayflower Landed at Plymouth Rock
Sea level is right where it was when Rome Invaded Britain
Sea Level is right where it was when the Persians requested Land and Water from the Greeks.
@@llamaworm8263 When I was a teen in the 1960s, this scam was called Nuclear Winter.
Put your mask on and hide in your safe space until you hear the all clear.
"The report concluded that the building had been erected in a location with gravity. Initial surveys failed to recognize that an area without gravity would have offered a much higher degree of structural integrity"
this is a stupid comment
Like the gravity they claim as NASA.
Gravity- not just a suggestion, it's the law.
@@animalpower7315 I’m tired of big gravity trying to keep the American people down. Americans aren’t stupid, we’re not falling for their lies anymore.
All the contractors got paid...Story over...
not contractors fault, its the engineers and designers
So did Terra nova the contractor for the next building over...research that group :)
We love Glenna! Corruption in Miami Dade County? Go figure...
It's also near the ocean which has more wear and tear. Like replacement of a lock and key on door because sand wears away fast too. 1980-2019 almost 40 years. Concrete starts separation from rebar after 50 years. The pool leakin, sand and the main structure beam collapsed. With housing chemicals in a storage closet near the bottom. And garage sand ratio.
a building meeting "half" of the standards should not collapse like that though. I have a feeling the standard is very low in Florida.
Many of the residents had renovated their condos by adding stone bathtubs, floors, walls, and counters, adding about 10 tons to the weight of that ONE unit. Now, imagine 20, 30, or 40 units doing that.
Even a structure that's up to code would have trouble holding that much extra weight.
Building codes were tightened greatly after Hurricane Andrew in 1992., but CTS was built in a tiny suburb, Surfside, which lacked even a full-time building inspector, and at a time when the whole Miami area was unbelievably corrupt and development was dominated by shady, unqualified people.
Structurally build incorrectly, tons of weight ( including water settling for years) on that pool deck. The residents should have been evacuated around 2018 when they got that full report of the building. Very sad and disappointing.
It's not just Florida. Look at the millennium Tower. Jeff Ostrom has been pointing out these failures for about 2 years now.
Thank you for the video, I was really interested what happened with this building in 2 years since its collapse. What will be built here instead of the building - we don't know yet. RIP 98 people 🙏.
Harbor Cay in Cocoa Beach collapsed in 1981 due to poor planning.
Not hard to know who is at fault someone in power took a bribe starting with the Mayor to city counsel to the Building inspector
80s architectural planning was devoid of sophisticated simulations.
Some of the most advanced buildings we have were built rather before that. The Hancock Building in Chicago, built in the early 70s, is considered to be an engineering marvel and nothing built since has bettered it in sophistication. This Surfside building, like too many Miami-area buildings built in an era during which Miami was notorious for criminality and corruption in its governing class. was thrown up as cheaply as possible, in a tiny suburb lacking a building department with either the expertise or the budget to provide the oversight needed to assure a good design and a good build. Any architect who designed one of the beautiful and super-strong high rises built in the early 20th century could have told the architects and engineers involved in the design of the Champlain Towers buildings that CTS was seriously under-designed and under-built.
@@chicagonorthcoast absolutely.i agree.
Could've told them that 23 moths ago....🙄
None of this is new? Jeff Ostroff had this pegged 3 ish years ago?
yep no engineer ever gets punished for their stupidity. i fix bad engineering crap everyday
Your ignorance of the situation is profound. Let me guess you attended the school of hard knocks.
because by the time there is a a problem the statute of limitations for any criminal charges has passed
@@zjones9876 in some cases. but i see bad design in new building systems on mechanical systems and they never have to pay for the stupid designs that dont work. i fix bad design crap everyday but im good with it. job security and great pay
I hope all the people who purchased condos there got a full 100% refund on their property that they wasted millions of hard earned dollars on
They must of hired a bunch of guys who cheaped out and made money off that company or vice versa. Someone needs to fess up
Who was the inspector that signed off on the slab? They couldn't build any further without passing that inspection.
The developer was a shady company run by a very shady Canadian who'd fled fraud charges in Canada. Both he and his company are long-dead.
Martin Langesfeld is speaking the TRUTH. Nothing ever happens! Buildings get fines... and a slap on the wrist. We've seen it over and over and over again. The only difference is that finally a building collapsed. There's a reason it's called the landlord special - and this applies to builders and contractors too.
Looks good on paper.
If we can know the reason why it collapsed now, why can't we find ways to find it before it happened?
It's always money. People would rather keep money than save lives. They don't care cause they never think anthing will ever happen
Where’s this at
Sharks in Florida are not swimming near the shore.....They are in the Real Estate Business.....
Im surprised it doesnt happen more often in miami dade county. Many of these high rises have multiple, years old building citations and failed fire inspections. They might have massive liens, sure, but the owners can just ignore and delay. Theres no actual enforcement.
And lets say you want to get the issues fixed. The inspectors wont return contact and the office just tells you that the inspector has to be contacted. County wide, code enforcement is an absolute joke there.
The sad thing too is that the pool was so under utilized….
punish the building owners with maximum penalties. their negligence murdered people.
no its the designers not the owners
The architect company and building contractor company are responsible, not the "owners".
@@hyc1266 if the contractor built to spec then they are not responsible. the designers are. they are wrong more than people think
The failures appear to have been the construction company and the architect s, but many of these condos were remodeled to have heavy stone and glass walls, etc., and the building was never built to withstand it. Did anybody foresee the collapse, I don't know. I'm surprised it didn't collapse long before it did
They couldn’t find John mcafee’s hard drive 😂
Glad this news channel is not hiding their groomer affiliation.
I used to be a christian until I found out that god sent a groomer beacon to apologize for almost exterminating humanity. I was cool with the extermination part, but really? 🌈 ok groomer god 🌈
@@itsAmeOFP.. are you drunk 😂
@@itsAmeOFP I was never a Christian, never been a fan of large groups of people who are possessed by an ideology. The issue with zealots is that they try to blend in with everyone else in these groups. You can do your thing all you want, just keep it away from kids who dont know any better.
@@masterofreality230 was that reply written by multiple personalities? Bring the non ideologically possessed zealot back out for a huddle so we can continue discussing the crime against children that this news channel committed by putting rainbows on its profile pic
@@emmapeel8163 I’m not as think as you drunk I am
1981 the powder built Florida. What could go wrong.
Justice?? I thought they settled all that $$ ?? Even, attorneys got their money.
We knew this. We knew this that same night.
NIST is the NTSB of building collapses? Lol ok
Still spinning narrative
Inappropriate, yes, but why do I love that this reporter doesn’t have Botox? 🙃
And yes, It is going to happen again.
!!!!!!?
Not buying it.. The roof was flooded and filled the basement parking with water as first witness to try to go there said it was filled and he backtracked .. The fire alarms were not sounding and no flashing lights means the sprinkler system did not activate . Historical images shows roofing materials ..pallets loaded and there was massive rains the days before ..
bad designers and engineering. plenty of basements everywhere can and do flood with water they dont fall?
@@bullofthewoods9374 the roof was flooded .. the roof was weak and the fail point was the fire sprinkler riser and mechanicals leading to the roof where materials weighing over 1600 lbs were stored ..the water in the garage was from the roof ...maybe read the comment .. The roof failed leading to a pancake collapse pulling the columns ..as they were on top of the pile ..
@@bullofthewoods9374 also stop liking your own comments ...it is shallow ..
@@whirlwind8825 bad designers. oh and stop lying no one is liking their own comments. its shallow of you. im in building maintenance and see flawed design daily. . systems fail due to many reasons beyond the designers ability to know. it should be designed into the buildings. failures many times is a cut corner issue due to money, done by designers. contractors build to spec or will be failed during inspection. granted if the inspectors do their job. Sure there are times when contractors cut corners but if done by design and they fail this is not a contractor issue. its the design and or material failure. things happen. pretty much any failure can go back to bad design or bad material, sometimes bad work but again the buildings have to be built to spec or it should fail inspection.
@@bullofthewoods9374 The building was inspected with demands on the 40 year inspection .. The strobes were not flashing .. the fire alarm did not sound .. The master 300 psi pumps did not energize .. and the water from the roof went through the riser shaft and filled the parking area .. The pool lost 0 amount of water . Stay on point maintenance man ..and again stop liking your own comments .. This thread is not active ...for a "Like" 1 second after you made the comment .. very very shallow my friend ..
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Everything is weird 😮
Martin is a hot guy. I hope to date him again.
We need to ban buildings, inspectors and politics because of the mass building calaps we are seen every day 👍, this is what today's politics and every followers of stupidity exist today will say. It is obviously that there is got to be a very deep inspection and analysis of south Florida buildings. Due to age and ocean near by,most of those older buildings need to come down. But i am super sure nothing will be done.....
All those poor Democrats.
In case you didn't get the memo, this is a republican state and has been for years now...
RUclips Engineers figure this out two years ago my God the MSM truly sucks!
Damn she had a stroke when she first went on 😂
But sure Repubs, lets get rid of all those pesky regulations. Pifflle...
Things are going so well in democrat lead states they are leaving in droves. Pifflle...
Nice gay logo, jesus