I personally moved to a Tier 4 city in China to improve my mandarin level and be immersed in the language and culture. I've heard locals say the reason I'm an english teacher is because 我在自己国家混不下去, when in actual fact, it was because my chinese teacher advised it when I graduated!
That's just their cope. They are usually very jealous because you get paid as much as they do or at least comparable for doing less work, and then on top of that if you're getting attention from girls or whatever. It's nothing personal. I get it. I would probably feel the same way and make comments like that if I were in their shoes
From my experience, I've found that there is a very strong racial prejudice against hiring black teachers in Asian countries. One private school owner said that the parents would remove their children from the school if he hired a black English teacher. Actually, racial prejudice is much stronger in Asian countries than in the US.
The teacher is meant to be a marketing tool. Sometimes, I was hired by Chinese companies to go to board meetings simply to sit there in the background and take notes. I barely spoke any Mandarin. I'm white with blue eyes. That's all. They wanted a guy that looked like me involved so that looked like their company was involved with some western enterprises or ambitions or whatever the heck. It's the same for schools. They sell a white teacher with blue or green eyes in particular. Brown eyes will do but you have to be fair skinned to be worth the most money. It is what it is.
@dargardargar ayyy I got an offer, as Black English teacher, from US. I teach animation in the US at college/HS level, but man so much mixed review here
I'm confused. Teachers are well respected in China or they are looked down upon for "only" being able to teach English in China? Isn't the problem more so that China hires very low quality English teachers that merely speak English in their home countries? What about highly qualified ESL teachers who are trained? Can a Chinese person just go to America and teach Chinese well just because they can speak Chinese? You would never get a job teaching Chinese just because you can speak Chinese.
Seeing as there is a shortage of qualified teachers all across the US you would have to wonder if they have an ulterior motive for teaching in China or any other Asian country. It’s easy to see why they may be stereotyped there Good video Jo thanks
There are a few reasons, really. First, in order to teach in Asia, you only need a four-year degree. You don't need to be a licensed teacher. I majored in English, and I have a five-year _substitute_ teaching license. However, the money in The US is crap. When I was stuck in America during COVID, I could have worked as a substitute teacher for $85 USD a day (actually, it's now a "whopping" $100), or I could work overnights, stocking shelves at Walmart for $140 + benefits. I chose the latter. Second, money made overseas is tax free. Third, if you are a licensed teacher, you can make really good money in Asia, especially China Fourth, if you choose a 2nd or 3rd-tier city, your money goes far. I have a 3-bedroom apt. with 2 bathrooms, a utility room, a walk-in closet, and a nice balcony for 3,800 RMB / $525 USD. Plus, I have a housing stipend of 2,200 RMB / $304 USD and my utilities are free. I got paid today for last month. After taxes, that's $3,100 USD. After rent + food + misc. that's $2,400 saved up. Fifth, you can travel to so many different countries. Within 2.5 hours, I can travel to Vietnam, Thailand, Korea, Malaysia, etc. Sixth, I get 5 weeks off for Chinese New Year with 75% of my pay. Last, if you're a certified teacher, you don't have to deal with so much b.s. as you do in America. In America, if you discipline a non-white student, you can be accused of racism. And god forbid if you misgender a student. "Did you just refer to me as _that student, Christine_ ??? On even-numbered days, I identify as a male purebred house cat. How dare you!!"
The money isn't that good in the USA, but it's mainly the politics and lack of respect and safety from the youth in most Western countries like the USA, Canada, Uk.
I am from the UK, I have a Masters degree in Clinical Neuropsychology. I have been working a good ("great" career as you put it) the last 4 years in Clinical research. I am moving to China to teach english because it is an experience I have thought about since I was an undergraduate at University. For me it is a great way to see china, learn about the culture, language, wing chun and philosophy while earning money at the same time. Not all males teaching english in China have limited career prospects at home, I certainly do not have that problem. Your view is somewhat simplistic and stereotyping all men in to one box. That's a shame! Some people just want an adventure. And about males wanting to have sex, well that is the same in their home country or anywhere you look in the world. As long as they are not students, and they are two age appropriate consenting adults, I see no problem finding relationships with local women. Should they be condemned to be alone or celibate even? Sound to me like you may have had some bad experience with some guys, sadly that happens here and I wish i could fix that problem, alas I can not! But I can I try and lead by example, which is what I will be doing when I arrive in China.
"Sound to me like you may have had some bad experience with some guys..." That's 100% what coming up on my mind when I listen to her)! The whole talk is about certain personalities that we don't know about. I wish her to get better soon.
Why are you personalizing so much what she is saying? She is talking about a behavior that is common enough among male English teachers in China that it has been noticed, especially because it does not fit within Chinese culture. If it doesn't apply to you, then don't worry about it. Just be aware that if you as a male go to teach English in China, you may encounter these stereotypes, and you are now forewarned and prepared to dispel them. And welcome to the world of having to live with stereotypes that precede you everywhere you go - some people live with this daily.
@@sandragiant777 Because she is generalising/ stereotyping all men. If I said all women are neurotic chronic complainers who need constant validation from men.....which certainly applies to many women, you would have something to say about it, being that that not every women is like that.....right? I am purely trying to set the record straight. That yes, there are some guys like this, but I merely wanted to emphasis that there are plenty of men who are not like this (which she forgets to mention). So that whoever watches this video (male or female) does not get discouraged to want to go to China to teach English in fear of being put into a box and labeled as someone who has no options at home and just wants to sleep with all the locals. Sandra (your name right), you most likely feel like you need to defend a fellow female, but it is not about her being a woman, it is purely about the broad and inaccurate generalisation because of a few.
A lot of Chinese come to the US or UK, for example, and nobody asks if they couldn't make it in China. Similarly, nobody really thinks that in China. It's usually around the jealousy factor that you can get paid the average or above average salary for doing comparatively little work teaching. Don't hate the player hate the game
The first stereotype is only backed by the Chinese needing to understand the requirements for a work visa to teach in China. Minimum bachelor's degree and two years experience, so almost everyone working here now could find some job back home. Before 2020, when many illegal teachers were at a training centre, that stereotype would be backed up. Yes, many teachers still like to drink and party, but that comes in all professions. From my experience, the only people I have ever heard talking badly about English teachers are older women on social media; as you mentioned, teaching is a respectful job. Nowadays, there are fewer parties and people in China to travel and more foreigners who respect the culture, have long-term relationships, get married to the Chinese and have children.
Jo, I was a teacher and coach here I Texas, USA. It is changing a little now for most of my career teachers were expected to exhibit high moral standards. In some areas of the state you could be fired for drinking beer!
I currently teach in Jiaxing, China. We just fired two 50 year+ old American guys. Both had taught a combined 40 years in the US and Asia and couldn't print up a lesson plan, operate a smart screen or make a power point. Lazy as hell. One I caught trying to kiss (?) a small G4. He'd chant Catholic prayers to himself. The other was a complete Karen. Insulted a police officer and was deported. I bought the school leaders all coffees the day they were fired.
The school was a regular Chinese senior high school, but the company I was working ran an American High School Program, at that high school because the students I taught were taking the SAT/ACT to attend college abroad. I was able to avoid any improprieties with females, because I had a Chinese-American wife who worked hard to make sure I had no desires to look outside the home. The classes I taught was American History and Culture, World History, AP World History, AP Human Geography.
Well as long as the only standard is to hire "Native" teachers and white, blonde people, you can't expect anything better than that. I'm an Iranian english teacher with a bachelors degree, multiple certifications and some years of experience. I've always wanted to teach in Asia as I really love the culture but I got nowhere with it cuz my job was given to people who basically didn't have any qualities of being a good teacher. To be precise, I didn't have ANY chance against many white blonde native applicants which only moved to asia to just sleep around with Asian girls. Ofcourse, I don't want to be biased here. All I'm trying to say is for you to understand that it's nobody's fault than the schools themselves. Just check the job ads for English teachers in eastern and south eastern asian countries and you'd get what I mean. I personally kinda gave up finding a teaching job in Asia for now after going through all the discrimination. Maybe later when I have a masters or PHD I'd consider teaching in universities there but for now, teaching in a school in Asia, is a huge no for me.
I used to teach adults at Webi English. I was in Shanghai for four years and in Shenzhen for two. Here's what I've seen. - I worked with three men with bipolar disorder. These guys were loose cannons. The schools knew but did nothing. One boss said to me, "I can't report him. I'll get in trouble because I'm the one who hired him." - Most teachers think that they're good at teaching, but a lot of them aren't. They go into class and talk about 99% of the time. And when they would let the students talk, they wouldn't bother to correct the students' mistakes. Some of these teachers even communicate with weird, broken English. They'd say things like, "You go home, do what? Watch movie?" - Chinese course consultants (salespeople) and bosses would tell the new students, "Yes, our school is expensive, but it's not our fault. It's these foreigners; they demand a high salary." (Korean bosses do this, too.) Meanwhile, the students would grow to hate the foreigners. In Shenzhen, one of the centers had 100 V.I.P. students - that was 10% of the total number of students. And do you know how much extra the foreigners made teaching the V.I.P. students? 0 - The foreigners had it in their contracts (at least in Shenzhen) that we could not date the students. On the other hand, the female Chinese staff openly dated the male students. These guys would wait for the ladies to finish their shifts and then go out hand-in-hand. - I've met sex-pat foreign teachers, alcoholic teachers, travel-all-the-time teachers (usually female) who'd constantly plan for trips but would never plan for a single lesson. However, I've never met so many foreigners who live paycheck-to-paycheck. That's about all I can think of for now.
"the female Chinese staff openly dated the male students" - were these staff, mainland chinese women? how old were these women? "I've met sex-pat foreign teachers" - who where these foreign teachers having sex with? their own students? married chinese women? how did they meet so many chinese women?
@@yt-qg8ui Question 1: They were Chinese women. The front-desk girls were about 21-26, and the saleswomen were about 26-32. Here's what the saleswomen did. When they signed a new student, they would then gossip to the female co-workers, "Oh, this new student is a high-earning salesman at China Unicom," or "That man in Classroom #3 is from Wenzhou and has four houses back home." Question 2: Oddly enough, I didn't meet a single teacher who slept with lots of students. I had known quite a few male teachers who had a secret girlfriend who was a student. If I had worked with any teachers who slept around, I never learned about it. The sex-pat teachers were the guys who'd talk about crossing from Shenzhen over to Hong Kong to visit prostitutes - it's legal over there. Actually, I was one of them. I never cheated when I had a girlfriend, but I definitely visited the walk-ups in Hong Kong when I was single.
Actually, it sounds like the hiring standards are lacking in China. Clean up the administration and whom you sign up to the schools and the rest will take care of itself.
dating your students, especially underage is really creepy, but to some extent, it applies to older students too. I've heard that there are indeed a number of totally unqualified English teachers in China. also, apparently, there have been more than a couple of cases where the teacher, good or not, gets scammed on their pay. I thought I'd also heard that the Chinese government was really clamping down on many of these unqualified teachers and so-called "schools", is that true.
@@JoMoon That doesn't mean that some schools aren't scamming their teachers. The internet is full of stories of teachers getting cheated out of pay or getting a rental apartment far below the standard they were told they would get.
I had adult students, although still quite young adults to be sure, try to date me! In fact, I don't even remember how many times it happened because it was more than a couple of handfuls. Very weird situation, and it happened in both China and Korea.
and lots of patience and compassion. I've had teachers who might have a lot of technical skills but were terrible because they would be impatience, sarcastic, and/or rude...
Just listening to the first stereotype - curious if it applies to all foreign language teachers, such as Chinese language teachers who work abroad, or other languages such as Spanish or French language teachers in China. In your culture are all language teachers looked down upon? The variety of cultures around the world is so interesting; it's just such a different point of view.
Locals are usually jealous. Same in Korea. Yeah, there are some bad apples for sure, but generally the locals are jealous these guys get attention from the girls and they make decent money for doing a lot less work than a local has to do in a factory or something to get a similar salary. It's just jealousy. And I get it. I never took too much offense.
I understand what you are saying here but this isn’t the case for everyone. I am a physiotherapist in the uk, I make much more money then lots of my friends my age, but I really want to get into teaching and I would like to become a PE teacher and this is a good first step
Yeah, but that also works BOTH ways. There's been numerous cases of female teachers sleeping with male students down through the years... Hey, did you read my message on Instagram a few days ago?
"There's been numerous cases of female teachers sleeping with male students down through the years" - do you mean western female teachers sleeping with male students in China?
True. I feel like white guys that go to China to teach English should AT LEAST learn a little bit of Chinese and have some appreciation for the culture.
It seems to me that one *mostly* judges others based on their own personal knowledge and values. That said, do Chinese people broadly not understand how many foreigners move to the United States and Canada? We have plenty of people here that we can teach English. There are plenty of opportunities here. They're just *not good opportunities.*
Hi again Ms Moon. Apart from the quality of english teachers, I'll give you my honest opinion regarding sleeping around or taking opportunity in this context. First of all however, it's ofcourse unacceptable if any teacher engage him (or her) in a "romantic" relationship with their students, in particulary if the students are under-age. Even if the student is not under-age, this behavour is questionable, but if the student are a "grow up" or adult, and the relationship is in concent, I can't see that it might be a problem. But ofcourse, as a teacher, one have to be very careful to engage one-self in a relationship with their students. However, it doesen't mean that the teacher is not genuine in his or hers intentions. But again, any teacher should take precacions in engaging him (or her) self in such a relationship. When it comes to sleep around with chinese ladies in particular and asian women in general, I think there is several reasons for this; As a young (cacausian) male with a high level of testosteron, it might not come as a surprise if men (with exceptions) take opportunity if it's given. I'm sorry to say Ms Moon, but when we men are young, this is how it works in most cases; One wants to sleep around with the whole world as young. However, this behavour use to fade away over time with maturity, experience (and with decreasing levels of testosterone). I'm sorry Ms Moon, but this is how mother nature wired us (men), and the reason is (not so) obvious, but again, it's mother nature and it's very simple and straight-forward; Mother nature don't care of moral, responsability or "romantic" love, the only thing mother nature are interested in, (in this context) is reproduction. Simple as that. With that said, one have to understand the concept of exotism in this context as well, and it goes both ways; It's not only East asian women who are exotic and feminine (in western men's eyes) as I understand it, caucasians (men in this context) are just as exotic in east-asians women eyes as well, right !? Besides that, that is also an obsession about fair skin in Asia, that has to be added in the discussion. Perhaps this is one of the reasons for why black people are not as popular as teachers in South East Asia , because they are black !? Other reasons for why chinese woman dates foreigners (theachers) in China, is found in this video (by you); "Why Chinese woman date foreigners. TRUTH". As one can see, it doesn'n goes only one way 😉. That's my thoughts in this subject, Ms Moon. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
As a mature man at the age of 71 I can tell you that I hear all you are saying but the one thing you have to be concerned with is “Who” are you listening to? Mother Nature or an excuse for your own self in reasoning throwing all caution to the wind? At the end of the day it is our own choices and blaming it on a so called mother nature isn’t the way to go! Trust me I’ve made many frivolous choices in my life but in reality one has to take accountability. Older adults should spend more time sharing “not telling” the truth to our younger generations. In a marriage or having children many have come to the conclusion that “nobody” ever told me it would be like this so we end up floundering in life trying to figure it out when truthfully we should be building off of the good knowledge of previous generations. Technology might advance and cause the young to think they know it all but responsibility and those tools leading to being responsible as in Wisdom comes from foundation and then building upon that by right choice. Instead too often today a generation figures some things out and the next generation has to do the same because no one listened to wisdom. Don’t feel like the Lone Ranger because many mistakes are made just take heart and then take responsibility and pass it on in word and deed.
Meh, this is a little late, my understanding is foreign English teachers are no longer allowed in China. I think it has been like that for maybe 2 years by now. Or did they reverse that decision?
There are many blacks who teach English in China. If you search RUclips for "What's it's like to teach English in China", at least half of the Americans who have made such videos will be black (blacks are 13% of the US population). Add to that blacks from England and South Africa who also make RUclips videos on teaching on China. That being said, discrimination does seem to exist. Whites will get more offers because for-profit schools view a Caucasian face as a marketing tool that gives off a sense of authenticity.
you describe patriachy like how americans describe them: career driven and protector(even through they are not there to protect most of the time). they dont play an important in child development. they are just banks.
Hallo JoJo, Good evening. I don't think every teacher is a good teacher. Many only want to be teachers because of the long vacations and because of the good money. For example, Germany is urgently looking for teachers for all subjects.. (Changers welcome). Personally, I would rather teach in China than in a German school with cheeky, impudent students. (I personally can't because I don't have a degree) haha. One should never forget that one is still a guest in a foreign country and one represents one's home country. Of course you can go to a bar as a teacher, but you should not forget that you have a prestigious position. And no, I would not let my daughter/son be taught by such a teacher. Nowadays many people work in jobs they hate because they have completely different talents and it is not seen in schools and it is not encouraged much. My grandmother used to say, "People used to have a lot more time for themselves and for others and also to think about themselves." Today everything is just fast, fast..Dalli Dalli. See you in the next video, take care. Best wishes from Germany.
I'm a western man and I always thought English teacher men in Asia are cringe. Other than the not so subtle reason they truly go to do that, I always thought: "why are you squandering your time and youth to pursue something that doesn't make money? Is the p()ssy that good? I think it's just not worth it..."
That doesn't make money? Relative to the required skill set in North America, it is much easier to go to Asia and instantly get employed, enjoy the decent pay and save a lot of money due to the very low cost of living in, China for example. I knew an Australian who went to work in Taiwan until he earned a Million AUS dollars and then he went back to Aus. He worked his ass off, spent almost nothing but he did it. A disciplined approach and leveraging the comparative advantages you have can definitely pay off. Or you can just party your life away and basically, ya, like you said, squander your time. But if you are professional, trained, skilled and reliable, there is even more money to be made in Asia teaching English.
@@MarkMark-xz4ff well, I don't have 1M$ yet (although I'm getting there for sure) but nothing he really did can't be reproduced in the west. I took advantage of getting training in software development in the military, and after my service I just went into the private market and earned and saved a lot this way. Plus, I can travel and get great benefits and stuff... I'm sure he could make it in Australia if he wanted.
@@alexvig2369 Ya, somebody with that kind of financial discipline could make it in Australia too. Agreed. But maybe would need more training, skills and time. Hard to say.
@@MarkMark-xz4ff well, I agree with you that one should just take advantage of whatever options are available to him. I was invited to attend that military program after high school. Had it not been offered to me, maybe I would've gone abroad too. My main point is that there are definitely options in western countries for westerners. People are getting a little crazy recently with this whole being expats trend... most expats I know are just running away from demons they have in their home countries - like a bad family or an ex...
What about Chinese professors that go to the US, can barely speak English and are teaching undergraduate and graduate level courses and dont understand how to teach Westerners. I know you address the problem with the schools but this video sounds more like 'dont teach English in China because youll just be outcasted'. Makes you seem resentful and angry imo
I personally moved to a Tier 4 city in China to improve my mandarin level and be immersed in the language and culture. I've heard locals say the reason I'm an english teacher is because 我在自己国家混不下去, when in actual fact, it was because my chinese teacher advised it when I graduated!
That's just their cope. They are usually very jealous because you get paid as much as they do or at least comparable for doing less work, and then on top of that if you're getting attention from girls or whatever. It's nothing personal. I get it. I would probably feel the same way and make comments like that if I were in their shoes
My aunt in Jamaica is half Chinese. What's wrong with the world? "Burning the flags of extremism" Only love can change the world..
These were reasons why I was afraid to return to Asia and teach again.
nothing wrong with teaching english. every job should be respected
Agree
Thanks for the video and insight Jo! Great content! ❤😊
@dancohen7683. Nothing about that was great insight 😂.
From my experience, I've found that there is a very strong racial prejudice against hiring black teachers in Asian countries. One private school owner said that the parents would remove their children from the school if he hired a black English teacher. Actually, racial prejudice is much stronger in Asian countries than in the US.
How about British born Chinese ?
They also don't like hiring other Asians lol. Same In Korea and Japan
The teacher is meant to be a marketing tool. Sometimes, I was hired by Chinese companies to go to board meetings simply to sit there in the background and take notes. I barely spoke any Mandarin. I'm white with blue eyes. That's all. They wanted a guy that looked like me involved so that looked like their company was involved with some western enterprises or ambitions or whatever the heck. It's the same for schools. They sell a white teacher with blue or green eyes in particular. Brown eyes will do but you have to be fair skinned to be worth the most money. It is what it is.
I worked in Beijin as an English teacher. I had more offers than I could handle. I always dressed sharpe and smiled.
@dargardargar ayyy I got an offer, as Black English teacher, from US. I teach animation in the US at college/HS level, but man so much mixed review here
I'm confused. Teachers are well respected in China or they are looked down upon for "only" being able to teach English in China? Isn't the problem more so that China hires very low quality English teachers that merely speak English in their home countries? What about highly qualified ESL teachers who are trained? Can a Chinese person just go to America and teach Chinese well just because they can speak Chinese? You would never get a job teaching Chinese just because you can speak Chinese.
Seeing as there is a shortage of qualified teachers all across the US you would have to wonder if they have an ulterior motive for teaching in China or any other Asian country. It’s easy to see why they may be stereotyped there
Good video Jo thanks
There are a few reasons, really.
First, in order to teach in Asia, you only need a four-year degree. You don't need to be a licensed teacher. I majored in English, and I have a five-year _substitute_ teaching license. However, the money in The US is crap. When I was stuck in America during COVID, I could have worked as a substitute teacher for $85 USD a day (actually, it's now a "whopping" $100), or I could work overnights, stocking shelves at Walmart for $140 + benefits. I chose the latter.
Second, money made overseas is tax free.
Third, if you are a licensed teacher, you can make really good money in Asia, especially China
Fourth, if you choose a 2nd or 3rd-tier city, your money goes far. I have a 3-bedroom apt. with 2 bathrooms, a utility room, a walk-in closet, and a nice balcony for 3,800 RMB / $525 USD. Plus, I have a housing stipend of 2,200 RMB / $304 USD and my utilities are free. I got paid today for last month. After taxes, that's $3,100 USD. After rent + food + misc. that's $2,400 saved up.
Fifth, you can travel to so many different countries. Within 2.5 hours, I can travel to Vietnam, Thailand, Korea, Malaysia, etc.
Sixth, I get 5 weeks off for Chinese New Year with 75% of my pay.
Last, if you're a certified teacher, you don't have to deal with so much b.s. as you do in America. In America, if you discipline a non-white student, you can be accused of racism. And god forbid if you misgender a student. "Did you just refer to me as _that student, Christine_ ??? On even-numbered days, I identify as a male purebred house cat. How dare you!!"
The money isn't that good in the USA, but it's mainly the politics and lack of respect and safety from the youth in most Western countries like the USA, Canada, Uk.
After all these years of learning Mandarin, I am going to cross teaching English in China off my list now. Thanks for the tip.
I am from the UK, I have a Masters degree in Clinical Neuropsychology. I have been working a good ("great" career as you put it) the last 4 years in Clinical research. I am moving to China to teach english because it is an experience I have thought about since I was an undergraduate at University. For me it is a great way to see china, learn about the culture, language, wing chun and philosophy while earning money at the same time. Not all males teaching english in China have limited career prospects at home, I certainly do not have that problem.
Your view is somewhat simplistic and stereotyping all men in to one box. That's a shame! Some people just want an adventure. And about males wanting to have sex, well that is the same in their home country or anywhere you look in the world. As long as they are not students, and they are two age appropriate consenting adults, I see no problem finding relationships with local women. Should they be condemned to be alone or celibate even?
Sound to me like you may have had some bad experience with some guys, sadly that happens here and I wish i could fix that problem, alas I can not! But I can I try and lead by example, which is what I will be doing when I arrive in China.
"Sound to me like you may have had some bad experience with some guys..." That's 100% what coming up on my mind when I listen to her)! The whole talk is about certain personalities that we don't know about. I wish her to get better soon.
Why are you personalizing so much what she is saying? She is talking about a behavior that is common enough among male English teachers in China that it has been noticed, especially because it does not fit within Chinese culture. If it doesn't apply to you, then don't worry about it. Just be aware that if you as a male go to teach English in China, you may encounter these stereotypes, and you are now forewarned and prepared to dispel them. And welcome to the world of having to live with stereotypes that precede you everywhere you go - some people live with this daily.
@@sandragiant777 Because she is generalising/ stereotyping all men. If I said all women are neurotic chronic complainers who need constant validation from men.....which certainly applies to many women, you would have something to say about it, being that that not every women is like that.....right? I am purely trying to set the record straight. That yes, there are some guys like this, but I merely wanted to emphasis that there are plenty of men who are not like this (which she forgets to mention). So that whoever watches this video (male or female) does not get discouraged to want to go to China to teach English in fear of being put into a box and labeled as someone who has no options at home and just wants to sleep with all the locals. Sandra (your name right), you most likely feel like you need to defend a fellow female, but it is not about her being a woman, it is purely about the broad and inaccurate generalisation because of a few.
I don't think she's stereotyping but she's talking about the reality of the majority of English teachers over there.
A lot of Chinese come to the US or UK, for example, and nobody asks if they couldn't make it in China. Similarly, nobody really thinks that in China. It's usually around the jealousy factor that you can get paid the average or above average salary for doing comparatively little work teaching. Don't hate the player hate the game
The first stereotype is only backed by the Chinese needing to understand the requirements for a work visa to teach in China. Minimum bachelor's degree and two years experience, so almost everyone working here now could find some job back home. Before 2020, when many illegal teachers were at a training centre, that stereotype would be backed up. Yes, many teachers still like to drink and party, but that comes in all professions. From my experience, the only people I have ever heard talking badly about English teachers are older women on social media; as you mentioned, teaching is a respectful job. Nowadays, there are fewer parties and people in China to travel and more foreigners who respect the culture, have long-term relationships, get married to the Chinese and have children.
Jo, I was a teacher and coach here I Texas, USA. It is changing a little now for most of my career teachers were expected to exhibit high moral standards. In some areas of the state you could be fired for drinking beer!
wow, thanks for sharing, didn`t know it was that strict in the US.
@@JoMoon it depends on regional culture and upon the culture of the enclave a particular school serves. @carljackson2981 is correct though.
I currently teach in Jiaxing, China. We just fired two 50 year+ old American guys. Both had taught a combined 40 years in the US and Asia and couldn't print up a lesson plan, operate a smart screen or make a power point. Lazy as hell. One I caught trying to kiss (?) a small G4. He'd chant Catholic prayers to himself. The other was a complete Karen. Insulted a police officer and was deported. I bought the school leaders all coffees the day they were fired.
Shouldn't the person who tried to kiss a G4 get arrested too;;;;
Your English is really good. 😊
The school was a regular Chinese senior high school, but the company I was working ran an American High School Program, at that high school because the students I taught were taking the SAT/ACT to attend college abroad. I was able to avoid any improprieties with females, because I had a Chinese-American wife who worked hard to make sure I had no desires to look outside the home. The classes I taught was American History and Culture, World History, AP World History, AP Human Geography.
Well as long as the only standard is to hire "Native" teachers and white, blonde people, you can't expect anything better than that.
I'm an Iranian english teacher with a bachelors degree, multiple certifications and some years of experience. I've always wanted to teach in Asia as I really love the culture but I got nowhere with it cuz my job was given to people who basically didn't have any qualities of being a good teacher. To be precise, I didn't have ANY chance against many white blonde native applicants which only moved to asia to just sleep around with Asian girls.
Ofcourse, I don't want to be biased here. All I'm trying to say is for you to understand that it's nobody's fault than the schools themselves. Just check the job ads for English teachers in eastern and south eastern asian countries and you'd get what I mean.
I personally kinda gave up finding a teaching job in Asia for now after going through all the discrimination. Maybe later when I have a masters or PHD I'd consider teaching in universities there but for now, teaching in a school in Asia, is a huge no for me.
I used to teach adults at Webi English. I was in Shanghai for four years and in Shenzhen for two. Here's what I've seen.
- I worked with three men with bipolar disorder. These guys were loose cannons. The schools knew but did nothing. One boss said to me, "I can't report him. I'll get in trouble because I'm the one who hired him."
- Most teachers think that they're good at teaching, but a lot of them aren't. They go into class and talk about 99% of the time. And when they would let the students talk, they wouldn't bother to correct the students' mistakes. Some of these teachers even communicate with weird, broken English. They'd say things like, "You go home, do what? Watch movie?"
- Chinese course consultants (salespeople) and bosses would tell the new students, "Yes, our school is expensive, but it's not our fault. It's these foreigners; they demand a high salary." (Korean bosses do this, too.) Meanwhile, the students would grow to hate the foreigners. In Shenzhen, one of the centers had 100 V.I.P. students - that was 10% of the total number of students. And do you know how much extra the foreigners made teaching the V.I.P. students? 0
- The foreigners had it in their contracts (at least in Shenzhen) that we could not date the students. On the other hand, the female Chinese staff openly dated the male students. These guys would wait for the ladies to finish their shifts and then go out hand-in-hand.
- I've met sex-pat foreign teachers, alcoholic teachers, travel-all-the-time teachers (usually female) who'd constantly plan for trips but would never plan for a single lesson. However, I've never met so many foreigners who live paycheck-to-paycheck.
That's about all I can think of for now.
Thanks for sharing🙏 I appreciate it.
"the female Chinese staff openly dated the male students" - were these staff, mainland chinese women? how old were these women?
"I've met sex-pat foreign teachers" - who where these foreign teachers having sex with? their own students? married chinese women? how did they meet so many chinese women?
@@yt-qg8ui Question 1: They were Chinese women. The front-desk girls were about 21-26, and the saleswomen were about 26-32.
Here's what the saleswomen did. When they signed a new student, they would then gossip to the female co-workers, "Oh, this new student is a high-earning salesman at China Unicom," or "That man in Classroom #3 is from Wenzhou and has four houses back home."
Question 2: Oddly enough, I didn't meet a single teacher who slept with lots of students. I had known quite a few male teachers who had a secret girlfriend who was a student. If I had worked with any teachers who slept around, I never learned about it.
The sex-pat teachers were the guys who'd talk about crossing from Shenzhen over to Hong Kong to visit prostitutes - it's legal over there. Actually, I was one of them. I never cheated when I had a girlfriend, but I definitely visited the walk-ups in Hong Kong when I was single.
@@spicykimchi1 how can i contact you directly. as i have a couple of questions to ask of you.
@@yt-qg8ui Feel free to ask me on here. If the questions are too embarrassing, don't worry. Our identities are hidden, so you're good!
Actually, it sounds like the hiring standards are lacking in China. Clean up the administration and whom you sign up to the schools and the rest will take care of itself.
dating your students, especially underage is really creepy, but to some extent, it applies to older students too. I've heard that there are indeed a number of totally unqualified English teachers in China. also, apparently, there have been more than a couple of cases where the teacher, good or not, gets scammed on their pay. I thought I'd also heard that the Chinese government was really clamping down on many of these unqualified teachers and so-called "schools", is that true.
Scammed? 😲 They get paid much more than Chinese English teachers
@@JoMoon That doesn't mean that some schools aren't scamming their teachers. The internet is full of stories of teachers getting cheated out of pay or getting a rental apartment far below the standard they were told they would get.
I had adult students, although still quite young adults to be sure, try to date me! In fact, I don't even remember how many times it happened because it was more than a couple of handfuls. Very weird situation, and it happened in both China and Korea.
Teaching needs skill, regardless of what subject including teaching English.
and lots of patience and compassion. I've had teachers who might have a lot of technical skills but were terrible because they would be impatience, sarcastic, and/or rude...
Just listening to the first stereotype - curious if it applies to all foreign language teachers, such as Chinese language teachers who work abroad, or other languages such as Spanish or French language teachers in China. In your culture are all language teachers looked down upon? The variety of cultures around the world is so interesting; it's just such a different point of view.
Locals are usually jealous. Same in Korea. Yeah, there are some bad apples for sure, but generally the locals are jealous these guys get attention from the girls and they make decent money for doing a lot less work than a local has to do in a factory or something to get a similar salary. It's just jealousy. And I get it. I never took too much offense.
i thought the ccp kicked out foreign teachers and that foreigners are no longer welcome in china. what happened?
YA, that was more hype and a crack down on some but generally, if you look online, there are still loads of jobs. Just more hoops to jump through.
😮very interesting. Increased awareness. Thanks 🙏🏼
I understand what you are saying here but this isn’t the case for everyone. I am a physiotherapist in the uk, I make much more money then lots of my friends my age, but I really want to get into teaching and I would like to become a PE teacher and this is a good first step
I’m gay male and gonna teach I hope people don’t assume I’m like these irresponsible men
the schools should check their teachers moral standing, part of the application/interview process
Yeah, but that also works BOTH ways. There's been numerous cases of female teachers sleeping with male students down through the years... Hey, did you read my message on Instagram a few days ago?
"There's been numerous cases of female teachers sleeping with male students down through the years" - do you mean western female teachers sleeping with male students in China?
True. I feel like white guys that go to China to teach English should AT LEAST learn a little bit of Chinese and have some appreciation for the culture.
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I’ll be honest. I’m Chinese Australian. I SPELL SPEAK AND WRITE better english than a lot of natives
Well that doesnt mean anything, english skills is not what teaching in china is about
It seems to me that one *mostly* judges others based on their own personal knowledge and values. That said, do Chinese people broadly not understand how many foreigners move to the United States and Canada? We have plenty of people here that we can teach English. There are plenty of opportunities here. They're just *not good opportunities.*
Hi again Ms Moon.
Apart from the quality of english teachers, I'll give you my honest opinion regarding sleeping around or taking opportunity in this context.
First of all however, it's ofcourse unacceptable if any teacher engage him (or her) in a "romantic" relationship with their students, in particulary if the students are under-age.
Even if the student is not under-age, this behavour is questionable, but if the student are a "grow up" or adult, and the relationship is in concent, I can't see that it might be a problem.
But ofcourse, as a teacher, one have to be very careful to engage one-self in a relationship with their students. However, it doesen't mean that the teacher is not genuine in his or hers intentions. But again, any teacher should take precacions in engaging him (or her) self in such a relationship.
When it comes to sleep around with chinese ladies in particular and asian women in general, I think there is several reasons for this;
As a young (cacausian) male with a high level of testosteron, it might not come as a surprise if men (with exceptions) take opportunity if it's given.
I'm sorry to say Ms Moon, but when we men are young, this is how it works in most cases; One wants to sleep around with the whole world as young. However, this behavour use to fade away over time with maturity, experience (and with decreasing levels of testosterone).
I'm sorry Ms Moon, but this is how mother nature wired us (men), and the reason is (not so) obvious, but again, it's mother nature and it's very simple and straight-forward; Mother nature don't care of moral, responsability or "romantic" love, the only thing mother nature are interested in, (in this context) is reproduction. Simple as that.
With that said, one have to understand the concept of exotism in this context as well, and it goes both ways; It's not only East asian women who are exotic and feminine (in western men's eyes) as I understand it, caucasians (men in this context) are just as exotic in east-asians women eyes as well, right !?
Besides that, that is also an obsession about fair skin in Asia, that has to be added in the discussion. Perhaps this is one of the reasons for why black people are not as popular as teachers in South East Asia , because they are black !?
Other reasons for why chinese woman dates foreigners (theachers) in China, is found in this video (by you); "Why Chinese woman date foreigners. TRUTH".
As one can see, it doesn'n goes only one way 😉.
That's my thoughts in this subject, Ms Moon. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
As a mature man at the age of 71 I can tell you that I hear all you are saying but the one thing you have to be concerned with is “Who” are you listening to? Mother Nature or an excuse for your own self in reasoning throwing all caution to the wind? At the end of the day it is our own choices and blaming it on a so called mother nature isn’t the way to go! Trust me I’ve made many frivolous choices in my life but in reality one has to take accountability. Older adults should spend more time sharing “not telling” the truth to our younger generations. In a marriage or having children many have come to the conclusion that “nobody” ever told me it would be like this so we end up floundering in life trying to figure it out when truthfully we should be building off of the good knowledge of previous generations. Technology might advance and cause the young to think they know it all but responsibility and those tools leading to being responsible as in Wisdom comes from foundation and then building upon that by right choice. Instead too often today a generation figures some things out and the next generation has to do the same because no one listened to wisdom. Don’t feel like the Lone Ranger because many mistakes are made just take heart and then take responsibility and pass it on in word and deed.
Meh, this is a little late, my understanding is foreign English teachers are no longer allowed in China. I think it has been like that for maybe 2 years by now. Or did they reverse that decision?
There has always been foreign teachers in China and to this day there are still loads of jobs hiring foreigners.
There are many blacks who teach English in China. If you search RUclips for "What's it's like to teach English in China", at least half of the Americans who have made such videos will be black (blacks are 13% of the US population). Add to that blacks from England and South Africa who also make RUclips videos on teaching on China. That being said, discrimination does seem to exist. Whites will get more offers because for-profit schools view a Caucasian face as a marketing tool that gives off a sense of authenticity.
The 4 types of foreigners
you describe patriachy like how americans describe them: career driven and protector(even through they are not there to protect most of the time). they dont play an important in child development. they are just banks.
Not offensive at all. Needed discussion.
Hallo JoJo, Good evening.
I don't think every teacher is a good teacher. Many only want to be teachers because of the long vacations and because of the good money. For example, Germany is urgently looking for teachers for all subjects.. (Changers welcome).
Personally, I would rather teach in China than in a German school with cheeky, impudent students. (I personally can't because I don't have a degree) haha.
One should never forget that one is still a guest in a foreign country and one represents one's home country.
Of course you can go to a bar as a teacher, but you should not forget that you have a prestigious position.
And no, I would not let my daughter/son be taught by such a teacher.
Nowadays many people work in jobs they hate because they have completely different talents and it is not seen in schools and it is not encouraged much.
My grandmother used to say, "People used to have a lot more time for themselves and for others and also to think about themselves."
Today everything is just fast, fast..Dalli Dalli.
See you in the next video, take care.
Best wishes from Germany.
The last part is quite refreshing, yeah everything is too fast nowadays..
@@JoMoon Does that mean my performance bored you?🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yes, it feels wrong
I hope you didn't meet the 1 hates your country and make youtube content about it.
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I'm a western man and I always thought English teacher men in Asia are cringe. Other than the not so subtle reason they truly go to do that, I always thought: "why are you squandering your time and youth to pursue something that doesn't make money? Is the p()ssy that good? I think it's just not worth it..."
That doesn't make money? Relative to the required skill set in North America, it is much easier to go to Asia and instantly get employed, enjoy the decent pay and save a lot of money due to the very low cost of living in, China for example. I knew an Australian who went to work in Taiwan until he earned a Million AUS dollars and then he went back to Aus. He worked his ass off, spent almost nothing but he did it. A disciplined approach and leveraging the comparative advantages you have can definitely pay off. Or you can just party your life away and basically, ya, like you said, squander your time. But if you are professional, trained, skilled and reliable, there is even more money to be made in Asia teaching English.
@@MarkMark-xz4ff well, I don't have 1M$ yet (although I'm getting there for sure) but nothing he really did can't be reproduced in the west.
I took advantage of getting training in software development in the military, and after my service I just went into the private market and earned and saved a lot this way. Plus, I can travel and get great benefits and stuff...
I'm sure he could make it in Australia if he wanted.
@@alexvig2369 Ya, somebody with that kind of financial discipline could make it in Australia too. Agreed. But maybe would need more training, skills and time. Hard to say.
@@MarkMark-xz4ff well, I agree with you that one should just take advantage of whatever options are available to him.
I was invited to attend that military program after high school. Had it not been offered to me, maybe I would've gone abroad too.
My main point is that there are definitely options in western countries for westerners. People are getting a little crazy recently with this whole being expats trend... most expats I know are just running away from demons they have in their home countries - like a bad family or an ex...
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What about Chinese professors that go to the US, can barely speak English and are teaching undergraduate and graduate level courses and dont understand how to teach Westerners. I know you address the problem with the schools but this video sounds more like 'dont teach English in China because youll just be outcasted'. Makes you seem resentful and angry imo